Bayern team in the 70s

[dmac20]

Hi there,

I am, quite sadly, fascinated with the exploits of this great club during the 70's, especially during their hat-trick of European Cups.

I was hoping someone could inform me over what was generally Bayern's team over that period. What is the line-up that classically represents this era.

I know, so far, this was a rough line-up of the time.

-----------------------------Maier

Hansen------Schwarzenbeck------Beckenbauer-----Breitner

U Hoeness-----Roth---------------CM---------------LW

-------------Muller-----------CF

My key questions are:

1. Who replaced Breitner at left back after he joined Real Madrid in 1974?
2. Who partnered Roth in central midfield?
3. Who played left wing?
4. Who generally partnered Muller up front before the emergence of Rumminnegge later in the decade?

If anyone knows these answers, or wants to point out if I'm wrong formation or tactics wise, then please let me know. It really has been bugging me for a while now these points.

Thanks,

[jtdwyer]

Hi,

As far as tactics, I'm pretty fuzzy on that. However, I don't think that Bayern deployed a 4-4-2 during the early 70s. Beckenbauer made the "libero" roll famous, and was always sweeping up...

> My key questions are:
> 1. Who replaced Breitner at left back after he joined Real Madrid in 1974?

Not sure. Jupp Kappellmann played a lot of matches, although he was generally listed as a midfielder. Can't remember if he played on the left side.

> 2. Who partnered Roth in central midfield?

bernd duernburger moved back into midfield in 1974; previously he had often played up front. Not only that, for 75-76, he moved into defense. Looks like Hansen and Josef weiss split time a RB. The forgotten Rainer Zobel however was a fixture in midfield throughout the early 1970s.

> 3. Who played left wing?
Don't know. I'm guessing duernburger.

> 4. Who generally partnered Muller up front before the emergence of Rumminnegge later in the decade?

Actually, by 1974/75, Rummenigge had already established himself as the top partner. Conny Torstensen and Klaus Wunder saw significant action, but by next year KHR played 32 matches, and the others only played because Muller was injured.

If I had to guess, in the 74/75 year, they played something like:
1-3-2-2-2, with roth and zobel as defensive mids, hoeness and duern as attacking. Well, maybe that is a 4-4-2 :)

Maier -Beckenbauer - hansen, schwarzenbeck, kappellmann - roth, zobel - hoeness, duernburger - muller, rummennigge

The next year, kappellmann and duern swapped positions.

Oh well, maybe somebody else remembers the details.

Hope this helps,
john

[dmac20]

Thanks a lot John, you filled in quite a lot of the gaps for me.

Seeing as Zobel was the midfielder beside Roth, I can quite safely conclude Kappellman must have been the left-sided midfielder: he always seems to appear beside Roth and Zobel in team-lists, and the left wing is the only blank position left.

I've also discovered that Breitner's long term replacement seems to have been a player by the name of Horsmann, he played for the club until well into the 80s in that position - even after Breitner's return from Madrid, when he settled into central midfield.

Durnberger...interesting. In the European Cup Finals alone he featured as, in the first final, a sub for a striker, the second as a left back, then a midfielder in the third and final one.

I note your point about Beckenbauer being more of a libero, I just put him in a flat 4 for ease of typing.

So to recap, it looks like their side was:

Maier; Beckenbauer; Hansen (or Weiss), Schwarzenbeck, Breitner (replaced by Horsmann); U Hoeness, Roth, Zobel, Kappellmann; Muller, Rumminegge.

Durnberger would have been a very useful utility player, while people like Torstennsson and Wunder would have been bit-part players in the squad.

[jtdwyer]

Ah yes, Udo Horsmann, another forgotten Bayer...And before long, they would bring in Klaus Augenthaler and Kurt Niedermayer to give a little thumping to those trying to breach the defense...

The 70s is an interesting era for Bayern, as they started brilliant, then went into the toilet and ended up on top as the decade closed. In general, I think the past decades were more interesting for bayern, as they had mostly german players, where as these days they're basically mercenaries (albeit some long standing ones), just like any other top euro club...

[dmac20]

It's certainly a fascinating era: how a club came from obscurity in the 60s to greatness a little over 10 years later, and have stayed at a high level almost the entire time since.

I have a theory about Bayern and German football. It is that, over the last 30 years, pretty much every single German footballer of any worth whatsover has played for Bayern at some stage in their career. Both the 74 and 90 World Cup winning German teams featured a heavy Bayern presence: 6 in the 74 squad, 5 in the 90 squad, as well as former players such as Matthaus and Brehme and a future one in Klinsmann.

Even today, every time I read about a young, up and coming German youngster, there is a section in it noting how it is expected he will go to Bayern, sooner or later. When added to the fact that most of their senior boardroom figures and coaches (Hoeness, Rumminegge, until recently Beckenbauer and even Maier, as the goalkeeping coach) are former players, it shows them to be a quite remarkable club.

[WeeMan]

Ah, Bayern Munchen (sorry, don't have the ability to post the Umlout (again, sorry for the spelling) on my keyboard), a team that broke my heart.

Probably Heart of Midlothian's greatest European adventure ended playing the Bayern team of the 80's, thanks to a Klaus Augenthaler thunderbolt from 30 yards plus. We were 90 minutes away from having Diego Maradonna at Tynecastle, the only time a World Player of the Year would grace our fine footballing home.

Unless, of course, we do win the league this season and get a Champions league berth. Hearts for Europe!