Why are Asian teams still under-estimated?!

[Toke-E-Yo]

It really pisses me off how some people still look at asian football as complete shit, yet they come from countries that have never even see the light of world cup!

Japan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and S. Korea have all proven themselves, and they still dont get nearly enough respect that they are due. they may not have won a world cup (yet) but we are still a force to be reckoned with! :mad2:


VIVA LA ASIA

[MADRIDCF8]

im from asia as you know, and i think asia is nothin really.
e.i. im also half mexican and mexico would easily beat any asian team. i think were better than some african teams and thats about it. euro and south america are ahead of us and the rest of concacaf is about eqaul.

[BRISTOLUK]

Japan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and S. Korea have all proven themselves, and they still dont get nearly enough respect that they are due. they may not have won a world cup (yet) but we are still a force to be reckoned with! :mad2:
VIVA LA ASIA

Proven themselves at what...not getting beaten out of sight every time they play someone half decent?
I don't mean to be rude or start a fight but I just went over the results for the last five years for these countries. In all of those games played, between all of them I found just a handful of victories that might raise eyebrows. A couple were in World Cup finals (where shocks were common) in 'home' games and most were in Friendlies against low to mid ranking European teams. For every win against those teams there would be several convincing defeats inflicted by the same level of opposition.
That's a long way from proving themselves.

[chuncho_azul]

asian teams have a long way to go

i suggest you lay off your pride

[RaulMadrid7]

asian teams have a long way to go

i suggest you lay off your pride

that is a very offensive and simply stupid thing to say.

how could you tell someone to lay off their pride? seriously who are you to tell someone to "lay off" their pride?

please elaborate...

[Toke-E-Yo]

Proven themselves at what...not getting beaten out of sight every time they play someone half decent?
I don't mean to be rude or start a fight but I just went over the results for the last five years for these countries. In all of those games played, between all of them I found just a handful of victories that might raise eyebrows. A couple were in World Cup finals (where shocks were common) in 'home' games and most were in Friendlies against low to mid ranking European teams. For every win against those teams there would be several convincing defeats inflicted by the same level of opposition.
That's a long way from proving themselves.

ok shall we re-cap?

Last year,

England A team VS Japan B team
1-1

Confed Cup
Greece VS B Japan
0-1

Brazil B VS B Japan
2-2
Although many ppl say Japan deserved to win that game

Japan B VS Argnetina A
1-2

Japan A VS Serbia A
1-0

Czech Rep. VS Japan
0-1

The only reason that Japan dont have a better rep is becuase were stuck playing shitty teams like Honduras and iceland. If Japan played better teams, we would have a better rep, and it would be a helluva lot better for us.

[Toke-E-Yo]

asian teams have a long way to go

i suggest you lay off your pride


this is coming from the guy who is one of the most active posters in the asan forum....:lol:

[turbo_GTI]

Mexican team easily beat Asian team?
I am sure that Mexico can easily beat Japan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, India, Malaysia,etc...
But I remember once Mexico got beaten by South Korea.
I really think Asia is nothing because they have contributed nothing to the world football, and I half agree that Asia is underestimated too.
Anyways, your comments are rather true and half clueless.

im from asia as you know, and i think asia is nothin really.
e.i. im also half mexican and mexico would easily beat any asian team. i think were better than some african teams and thats about it. euro and south america are ahead of us and the rest of concacaf is about eqaul.

[turbo_GTI]

What's the point of those meaningless friendlies and Conf Cup?

ok shall we re-cap?

Last year,

England A team VS Japan B team
1-1

Confed Cup
Greece VS B Japan
0-1

Brazil B VS B Japan
2-2
Although many ppl say Japan deserved to win that game

Japan B VS Argnetina A
1-2

Japan A VS Serbia A
1-0

Czech Rep. VS Japan
0-1

The only reason that Japan dont have a better rep is becuase were stuck playing shitty teams like Honduras and iceland. If Japan played better teams, we would have a better rep, and it would be a helluva lot better for us.

[chuncho_azul]

this is coming from the guy who is one of the most active posters in the asan forum....:lol:

being an active poster in the asian forum doesnt mean shit.

i respect asian football, dont get me wrong. is just they have a long way to go to become a powerhouse when it comes to soccer.

[chuncho_azul]

that is a very offensive and simply stupid thing to say.

how could you tell someone to lay off their pride? seriously who are you to tell someone to "lay off" their pride?

please elaborate...

stupid and offensive? sure, whatever makes you think so.

tok-e-yo goes around the forum discussing how great his japanese soccer team is. thats what i meant by "laying off" his pride. no big deal.

asian teams are underestimated for a reason.

[chuncho_azul]

ok shall we re-cap?

Last year,

England A team VS Japan B team
1-1

Confed Cup
Greece VS B Japan
0-1

Brazil B VS B Japan
2-2
Although many ppl say Japan deserved to win that game

Japan B VS Argnetina A
1-2

Japan A VS Serbia A
1-0

Czech Rep. VS Japan
0-1

The only reason that Japan dont have a better rep is becuase were stuck playing shitty teams like Honduras and iceland. If Japan played better teams, we would have a better rep, and it would be a helluva lot better for us.


those are, truly, outstanding results by japan. good for them.

but the truth is, they dont mean much when it comes to getting respect

why? because asia does not have a successful soccer history yet to be considered for much

when japan or any asian team for that matter, wins something important, then we can talk

and please dont get me wrong. i respect asian soccer. i have watched korean,iranian,japanese soccer games and plus follow the cerezo osaka team of japan. im much interested in whats going on in asian soccer. but to say they are being underestimated and stuff, i dont know man. everything has a reason.

[BRISTOLUK]

ok shall we re-cap?
Last year,

England A team VS Japan B team
1-1

Confed Cup
Greece VS B Japan
0-1

Brazil B VS B Japan
2-2
Although many ppl say Japan deserved to win that game

Japan B VS Argnetina A
1-2

Japan A VS Serbia A
1-0

Czech Rep. VS Japan
0-1





Like I said...a handful of victories. But I notice that in your SIX examples of 'proving themselves' there are just THREE victories. That's a very, very, weak case you're making there.

[Fenerliyim]

Because they havent proven themselves in major cups and tournaments as has European and S. American teams have. Remember last world cup Saudi Arabia was beaten by germany like 8-0. China didnt even score a goal and lost everymatch like 4-0. Japan did well till Turkey elimanated them and korea also did well and came in 4th place. The top 4 countries in asia are china, japan, korea, and saudi arabia and since they really dont have any competition they always make it to the world cup.

[Toke-E-Yo]

Because they havent proven themselves in major cups and tournaments as has European and S. American teams have. Remember last world cup Saudi Arabia was beaten by germany like 8-0. China didnt even score a goal and lost everymatch like 4-0. Japan did well till Turkey elimanated them and korea also did well and came in 4th place. The top 4 countries in asia are china, japan, korea, and saudi arabia and since they really dont have any competition they always make it to the world cup.
i dont know who ur kidding about china there buddy. there are terrible bunch, and they wint make the WC in a while. Iran saudi, Korea and Japan are the better teams of asia right now. just shows how much some ppl know about asian football. Jackass.

[BRISTOLUK]

i suggest you lay off your pride

that is a very offensive and simply stupid thing to say.

how could you tell someone to lay off their pride? seriously who are you to tell someone to "lay off" their pride?

You really find that offensive? It seems pretty mild to me. How about this selection?

THEY ARE POSTS BY OTHER POSTERS IN OTHER THREADS

Your hairy dög momma sure appreciates my big Turkish kebap. I have to slap her ugly face to get her away from my big kebap. She likes it when I slap her in her whöre face with by gigantic juicy TURKISH KEBAP!

You lost your credibility long time ago girl, go sück on your bone.

May the referee get a violant death CORRUPT SON OF BYATCHH BELGIAN MODAFOKKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hear reports that your moma and your family is ganging up and doing the horses and goats in your barn.

Man did a Turk cüm on your face or something, is that why you have such a deep rooted hate for Turks?

u should get that swiss c*ck out of ur mouth b4 u post again

Continue to force your daughters to wedd your own family members you will have a nice bunch of mongoloids and be able to build a new football team !!!

Everyone knows what kind of scum the germans are. Win a match against Germany and they will all take their nazi pills again and start a third world war

***k u...u ***ken piece of gay shit

where they ***k did u pull that one out from u ***king dickhead...

I repeat....these are quotes from others, they are not mine.

Personally I think attention would be better focused on this sort of thing.

[Fenerliyim]

Irans games vs. europeans in the last 5 years

Iran 2-1 Bosnia. (Barely beat Bosnia who is just an ok team)

Iran 0-2 Germany (obviously lost and at home)

Belarus 2-1 Iran (Lost to a mediocre european team)

Denmark 0-1 Iran ( A lucky win)

Ukraine 0-1 Iran ( played in 2002 when Ukraine sucked)

Iran 2-3 Slovakia (Lost again)

Iran 1-0 Republic of Ireland (Barely won at home)

Republic of Ireland 2-0 Iran ( Republic of Ireland showed them whose boss)

As you can see Iran is not so good and that is our reasoning for underestimating them.

China is a pretty good team in Asia but just dont have enough talent to be good in Europe. They have over 1 billion people but they cant find 11 good players. GB is only an island and they have fantastic players. This is why we underestimate asian teams.

[Fenerliyim]

ok shall we re-cap?

Last year,

England A team VS Japan B team
1-1

Confed Cup
Greece VS B Japan
0-1

Brazil B VS B Japan
2-2
Although many ppl say Japan deserved to win that game

Japan B VS Argnetina A
1-2

Japan A VS Serbia A
1-0

Czech Rep. VS Japan
0-1



Y r u only putting up ur wins.

Ukraine 1:0 Japan (2005)

LAtvia 2:2 Japan (2005)

Japan 5:4 Honduras (2005) Can barely beat Honduras that is sad

Japan 1:2 Mexico (Confed Cup. 2005)

Japan 0:1 Peru (KIRIN cup 2005)

Japan 0:3 Germany (2004 Owned)

JApan 1:2 Argentina (2004 Lost again)

See Tok-E-Yo Japan is not as great as you think so stop complaining.

[wolverine]

China is a pretty good team in Asia but just dont have enough talent to be good in Europe. They have over 1 billion people but they cant find 11 good players. GB is only an island and they have fantastic players. This is why we underestimate asian teams.
China is ne'er considered as an Asian power. Population has got nothing to do with football it's all based on interest and talent. Ask GB or anyother country to assemble a TT team against China and u'll know the difference.
There's not much of a big difference b/w the Ukraine of '02 and now, xcept that they managed to qualify. I don't see them doing anything better than what Japan or Korea cud do next year, unless they get a real easy group and Japan gets a very tuff grp. The only difference is they've a European tag(and hence the dark horse hype).
Development of football in Asia is slow and relatively new (even later than Africa) and that's y Asian teams are underestimated. But there's nothing wrong in it. Unless the Asian teams are consistent, it'll always be like that.

[turbo_GTI]

Japan 0-3 Germany...
Amazing...

That clearly display gap between a mediocre European team with a Japanese team
Y r u only putting up ur wins.

Ukraine 1:0 Japan (2005)

LAtvia 2:2 Japan (2005)

Japan 5:4 Honduras (2005) Can barely beat Honduras that is sad

Japan 1:2 Mexico (Confed Cup. 2005)

Japan 0:1 Peru (KIRIN cup 2005)

Japan 0:3 Germany (2004 Owned)

JApan 1:2 Argentina (2004 Lost again)

See Tok-E-Yo Japan is not as great as you think so stop complaining.

[chuncho_azul]

You really find that offensive? It seems pretty mild to me. How about this selection?

Your hairy dög momma sure appreciates my big Turkish kebap. I have to slap her ugly face to get her away from my big kebap. She likes it when I slap her in her whöre face with by gigantic juicy TURKISH KEBAP!

You lost your credibility long time ago girl, go sück on your bone.

May the referee get a violant death CORRUPT SON OF BYATCHH BELGIAN MODAFOKKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hear reports that your moma and your family is ganging up and doing the horses and goats in your barn.

Man did a Turk cüm on your face or something, is that why you have such a deep rooted hate for Turks?

u should get that swiss c*ck out of ur mouth b4 u post again

Continue to force your daughters to wedd your own family members you will have a nice bunch of mongoloids and be able to build a new football team !!!

Everyone knows what kind of scum the germans are. Win a match against Germany and they will all take their nazi pills again and start a third world war

***k u...u ***ken piece of gay shit

where they ***k did u pull that one out from u ***king dickhead...

Personally I think attention would be better focused on this sort of thing.


haha..thanks for backing me up. no big deal though.
i have critized raulmadrid (a mod :rolleyes: ) quite often and i guess this is his way to get back at me. oh my god! i said something very offensive, i should be banned!!! :rolleyes:

whatever. children ;)

[RaulMadrid7]

Mexican team easily beat Asian team?
I am sure that Mexico can easily beat Japan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, India, Malaysia,etc...
But I remember once Mexico got beaten by South Korea.
I really think Asia is nothing because they have contributed nothing to the world football, and I half agree that Asia is underestimated too.
Anyways, your comments are rather true and half clueless.

so we're right and clueless? :lol:

it would be better if you kept quite and accepted the fact that
Asia is underestimated.

By the way what country r u from?

[davor_suker]

I think they have the respect they deserve. We know they have some good teams, but they are yet to make a big impact on the world stage and have really consistent results against good teams.

[soccerates]

Well let's see if Japan and S.Korea can get consistent results first, shall we? If they can reproduce the results from the last cup, I'm sure more respect won't be far behind.

[Toke-E-Yo]

Y r u only putting up ur wins.

Ukraine 1:0 Japan (2005)

LAtvia 2:2 Japan (2005)

Japan 5:4 Honduras (2005) Can barely beat Honduras that is sad

Japan 1:2 Mexico (Confed Cup. 2005)

Japan 0:1 Peru (KIRIN cup 2005)

Japan 0:3 Germany (2004 Owned)

JApan 1:2 Argentina (2004 Lost again)

See Tok-E-Yo Japan is not as great as you think so stop complaining.


Ukraine 1:0 Japan (2005) <-------Japan B Team we got robbed. Nakata got sent off in the first half on a straight red. The game should have been 0-0 but the idiot ref gave the ukrainians a PK in the 92nd

LAtvia 2:2 Japan (2005) <-------Japan B Team

against Ukraine and Latvia many of the J League players wer enot in attendace due to the J League all star games

Japan 5:4 Honduras (2005) Can barely beat Honduras that is sad <------Japan B Team. Nakata H, Nakamura, Yanagisawa, Takahara wernt playing

Japan 1:2 Mexico (Confed Cup. 2005)<------ Japan aplyaed like shit, no excuse

Japan 0:1 Peru (KIRIN cup 2005)<----again no excuse. Zico was fuming after that loss, although it was the Japan C Team.

Japan 0:3 Germany (2004 Owned)<----then Korea owned Germany 3-0. We beat Korea 2-0

JApan 1:2 Argentina (2004 Lost again) <------Japan B Team

have u ever acutally watched Japan games?

considering that the Japanese football has really only come up in the past 8 or so years, weve done a dman good job of putting our selves in the spot light. we are not another easy win, like guatamala.

[BRISTOLUK]

considering that the Japanese football has really only come up in the past 8 or so years, weve done a dman good job of putting our selves in the spot light. we are not another easy win, like guatamala.


Well that's more moderate of you this time, dropping from 'proved themselves' down to 'not another easy win'. That's a far more realistic claim.

[chuncho_azul]

so we're right and clueless? :lol:

it would be better if you kept quite and accepted the fact that
Asia is underestimated.

By the way what country r u from?

that is a very offensive and simply stupid thing to say.

blah blah blah


:rolleyes:

[chuncho_azul]

just because you are a shit mod doesnt mean i have to agree with you. besides, you dont know how to argue.

oh. and its only the internet. dont take things too serious.

[Toke-E-Yo]

...and my respect for u just flew out the window..... :sad:

[Dado_Prso_09]

asian teams are weak with the exception of a few countries

[Toke-E-Yo]

asian teams are weak with the exception of a few countries


u also have to consider how fast some countires have rised thru the footballing owlr.d Korea's been around since th 60's doing decent, but Japan has only begunb emerging since round '94

[chuncho_azul]

...and my respect for u just flew out the window..... :sad:

because your respect is so important
:sad:

[Toke-E-Yo]

because your respect is so important
:sad:


maybe, but it does mean that u may see red under your name.

red boxes( :red-card: ) = bad thief OR very dis-respected.

[chuncho_azul]

maybe, but it does mean that u may see red under your name.

red boxes( :red-card: ) = bad thief OR very dis-respected.

how have i offended you? im just getting my point across. i dont have to agree with you, or do i?
grow up. reputation points mean shit to me. go right ahead. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[chuncho_azul]

i warned you? you better check yo self?

whoa. we got a japanese-black guy here. :lol: :lol:

kid. i used to live in victoria. an ip check can get me right in front your door.

you better watch yourself :lol: :lol:

[Toke-E-Yo]

i warned you? you better check yo self?

whoa. we got a japanese-black guy here. :lol: :lol:

kid. i used to live in victoria. an ip check can get me right in front your door.

you better watch yourself :lol: :lol:


if ur cool enough to check were I live, then u must need to get a life meng. go out and play some footie, and not just on ur comp.

[chuncho_azul]

if ur cool enough to check were I live, then u must need to get a life meng. go out and play some footie, and not just on ur comp.

yeah.because you know so much about my life.

say something that makes sense

[Toke-E-Yo]

yeah.because you know so much about my life.

say something that makes sense
ok. I dare u to check my IP, then spend a few of your measley bucks to come over to Victoria and "sort me out"

kid. i used to live in victoria. an ip check can get me right in front your door.
big man on campus! :lol: of course I know that u wont even do anything that u threatin to do, ur just another case of passin E-Beef.

[chuncho_azul]

ok. I dare u to check my IP, then spend a few of your measley bucks to come over to Victoria and "sort me out"

big man on campus! :lol: of course I know that u wont even do anything that u threatin to do, ur just another case of passin E-Beef.

oh wow. you really thought i was gonna take the time to go to your house?
come on now. dont be scared. it was a mere joke :lol:

im just e-scaring you

[chuncho_azul]

the thing is that i go to victoria almost every other weekend. i miss it there.
have you heard of SMUS? a private school on richmond road? where steve nash graduated? used to go there and still have lots of friends living in victoria. nice and quite place. the only beef i have is the slow drivers (grannys driving, etc.)

[Ronni]

People will consider asian teams more when they start fearing asian teams.
People will start fearing asian teams when asian teams start eliminating big teams from tournaments.
The first time it happened was in 2002, by S.Korea. But S.Korea were the hosts (I'm not discussing other mentioned causes), so it doesn't count that much.
So as long as asian teams don't prove themselves eliminating other teams, they won't be over nor underestimated. They're just not feared, and there seems not to be a reason for this.

[Fenerliyim]

Tok-e-yo i have watched 1 japan game and that was against Turkey in the last world cup when we won 1-0. That was an amazing game. Just to mention Turkey also beat China and S. Korea in the last world cup also.

[Toke-E-Yo]

Tok-e-yo i have watched 1 japan game and that was against Turkey in the last world cup when we won 1-0. That was an amazing game. Just to mention Turkey also beat China and S. Korea in the last world cup also.


china doesnt count, lol

[Irish]

i dont really think anyone has called asian football complete shit.... so i dont know where your comin from with this thread.....

most people respect asian football, but it is a bit naiive to say that the teams from asia are serious competitors for any major competition because (at the moment) they are simply not !!!

[BRISTOLUK]

Somebody thinks my post here....number 16...was racist.
How?????????????

Can you not see that they were all quotes from previous posts by other posters?

Perhaps I should have put " marks in....but I thought Italicising them was enough.

I am not racist...I was illustrating what others have said.

[Fenerliyim]

Somebody thinks my post here....number 16...was racist.
How?????????????

Can you not see that they were all quotes from previous posts by other posters?

Perhaps I should have put " marks in....but I thought Italicising them was enough.

I am not racist...I was illustrating what others have said.

LOL. People actually took that seriously. WOW

[Toke-E-Yo]

i dont really think anyone has called asian football complete shit.... so i dont know where your comin from with this thread.....
people have come in to the asian forum and made threads that say "Asian soccer sucks" numerous times. the mods are just quick to shut it off,

[chuncho_azul]

people have come in to the asian forum and made threads that say "Asian soccer sucks" numerous times. the mods are just quick to shut it off,

doesnt mean that asian teams are underestimated by everyone. just some trolls

[Fenerliyim]

Cant blame everybody for something 1 or 2 guys did.

[Toke-E-Yo]

doesnt mean that asian teams are underestimated by everyone. just some trolls

no your rite about that but im pretty sure they are underestimated by more than 50% of the members on this forum...

[worldclass]

I think you don't know how to control your emotion.

no your rite about that but im pretty sure they are underestimated by more than 50% of the members on this forum...

[WeeMan]

Hey, does it matter if everyone else thinks your football sucks? I'm a Scotsman and our league is considered to be one of the worst in Europe.

Do I care? Nope, because all that matters is that you follow the team that you love.

[kram]

Because of the fallacy known as the world cup 2002. The South Korean fallacy. It was a virtual sports sacrelidge so atrocious that it made it look like an Asian team would need an unfair advantage thrown their way by less than scrupulous officials in order to place anywhere near the top in the games. I don't have any problem with a good, kick ass, legitimate Asian team showing it's stuff. I am just waiting for that to happen for real.

[toronto_soccer]

asian teams haven't proven anything yet. but i say that with their growing interest in the game, it won't be far away that they become more than respected. they will be right up there with europe and s. america. also i say this about the u.s.

[toronto_soccer]

Because of the fallacy known as the world cup 2002. The South Korean fallacy. It was a virtual sports sacrelidge so atrocious that it made it look like an Asian team would need an unfair advantage thrown their way by less than scrupulous officials in order to place anywhere near the top in the games. I don't have any problem with a good, kick ass, legitimate Asian team showing it's stuff. I am just waiting for that to happen for real.


i guess fifa wants soccer big in asia. more than half of the worlds population lives there. so a little match fixing took place, so what.

[Toke-E-Yo]

asian teams haven't proven anything yet. but i say that with their growing interest in the game, it won't be far away that they become more than respected. they will be right up there with europe and s. america. also i say this about the u.s.


then y r "had been teams" like Uraguay still respected in football? it makes no sense wat-so-ever. African teams are still underrated to.

It is only a matter of time before a African/Asian country wins. We cant expect Brazil to last forever!

[soccerates]

It is only a matter of time before a African/Asian country wins. We cant expect Brazil to last forever!

Yes we can. So long as they keep producing good players, they will continue to be up there amongst the best with other countries who do the same. The rise in Asian football is not synonymous with a decline elsewhere. Neither influence the other.

[purger]

It is only a matter of time before a African/Asian country wins. We cant expect Brazil to last forever!

We'll find out where's Jimmy Hoffa's body lies, why US government killed Kennedy, we'll drink coffee with Marsians and find out what "holly grail" really is before african/asian team wins WC..

[BRISTOLUK]

then y r "had been teams" like Uraguay still respected in football? it makes no sense wat-so-ever. African teams are still underrated to.



Well...there you have hit the nail on the head. Uruguay still get respect because they have been. They may be a has been....but at least they have 'been'. :dazed:

[penguin_007]

asians are generally physically weaker than other races...so they have to work harder, and their domestic leagues are not as good as the european ones.

furthermore, soccer is not followed very extremely in asia either, most ppl will support juve, real, man u, rather than their own clubs...

and again, asian kids would rather go to university than try for pro soccer.

[RaulMadrid7]

asians are generally physically weaker than other races...so they have to work harder, and their domestic leagues are not as good as the european ones.

furthermore, soccer is not followed very extremely in asia either, most ppl will support juve, real, man u, rather than their own clubs...

and again, asian kids would rather go to university than try for pro soccer.

:rolleyes: ....

You have some points there, but you should stop being so general because there are more passionate countries in Asia about football than the ones you're talking about. :faint2:

[penguin_007]

yeah i know...just generalizations.

iran i know went wild after defeating the US in 98.

[RaulMadrid7]

yeah i know...just generalizations.

iran i know went wild after defeating the US in 98.

that was a priceless moment. :D

[besiktas1903]

well i think a fair-enough answer can be obtained once one looks at the distribution of asian soccer players around the world (in terms of their clubs). and then compares it those of the ones who are not "underrated" (according to this definition).

[kram]

i guess fifa wants soccer big in asia. more than half of the worlds population lives there. so a little match fixing took place, so what.
SO WHAT? So you don't care that the games are anything but ethical? You don't care that the outcomes of these sacred games are at the fancy of the powers that be? Why even bother being a fan if the scores are going to be determined by some corrupt individuals? What team do you support? Would you turn a blind eye if they were cheated? Would you just say: " It's just a little match fixing to promote the sport world wide" ? What has this world come to when we can passively accept this? Should we just start saying that it is all about money and selling? You might as well sell your girlfriend, wife or mother into prostitution! Because with the above statement you have about as much integrity. I hope the moderator will forgive me for saying this but Toronto Soccer, you are a total ASSHOLE!!!!!!

[Nikodemus]

maybe Asian teams are not that respected yet because they don't keep playing on the same level consistently. There indeed are wins are draws against teams that are "stronger" in advance but like already mentioned there are also losses for about each win.
Respect could be achieved through history of success, being good or quite good all the time and that takes time.
Greece surprised in Portugal but are they still that highly respected when they didn't qualify to WC.
Consistent success is needed to get creds in football

[Toke-E-Yo]

maybe Asian teams are not that respected yet because they don't keep playing on the same level consistently. There indeed are wins are draws against teams that are "stronger" in advance but like already mentioned there are also losses for about each win.
Respect could be achieved through history of success, being good or quite good all the time and that takes time.
Greece surprised in Portugal but are they still that highly respected when they didn't qualify to WC.
Consistent success is needed to get creds in football


this may be the truest. such as Korea's preformance 4 years ago, vs now. and Iran's 4 years ago

[kram]

this may be the truest. such as Korea's preformance 4 years ago, vs now. and Iran's 4 years ago

Korea's performance 4 years ago? They had no performance! They were handed mercy wins!

[Toke-E-Yo]

Korea's performance 4 years ago? They had no performance! They were handed mercy wins!
mercy wins or not, they still made it to the semi beating Spain and Italy remember?