Argentina has a great league!

[6922251x8-PANOS]

I am a Greek soccer fan, but man is the Argentina league great! I read a couple times that it was good, but when I saw it on T.V. not to long ago I was impressed. They got skill, good team work, and a fast pace game and all together that equals greatness. I wish the Greek league was like that. They got skill (alot of it too), and speed, but NO teamwork, and that is why they look bad at times. Anyway, just thought I should let you know how good your league is, and if there is ever a world club compotition that is very popular, I can see the Argentinian leagues dominating it.

[matias]

i cant disagree with you, I mean I love Boca and was born in Buenos Aires so yes you are right!!!

[lilphenom]

i agree boca are a very good team and they can compete with just about anyteam in europe i think it was a big blow to sell palermo he is a very dangerous player the argentine leage is underrated but i dont think is as good as you say but river and boca are both very good teams

[B@tigol]

don't forget that Batigol was from boca too. i watched a few argentinian league game n' i completly agreed with u better than epl i said
but my favourite team is river plate

[matias]

Batigol, played for Velez, River and lastly Boca. But the players that have come out of Argentina lately are great and no Im not just saying this because Im biased. I mean there is Valencias Aimar, Palermo of course, Pochetinno, Samuel, Castroman, Killy Gonzales. And these are just the guys who have come to Europe in the last 2 years or so. There are greats still in Argentina like Saviola , Requilme and Ortega as well as Ibarra. Then of course there are the proven ones like , Batistuta, Redondo, Crespo, Lopez, Veron, Ayala, Chamot, Sensini, Almeyda, Zannetti, Simoene and the list goes on. I think right now and perhaps for the next 8 years Argentina will have a very bright future and both france and brazil will have to move over.

[B@tigol]

i've to say that the first nation to be sweep off is France as they got terrible old players who always depend on 'lucks' to get the world cup n' european cup.the only quality player in france is zidane, who isn't a real french.

[matias]

france is getting old and luck did play a part in both of thier trophy wins. However brazil too has been shaky and very inconsistent of late and are in a rebuilding stage. This Argentinian team , apart from about 3 or 4 new found talents is pretty much the same since 1998, so they will have had 4 years of being together by the time they get to japan . So I think with a bit of luck they will have a great chance of being the next WC champs. By the way how is the buzz over in Malaysia for the F1 race this weekend, and whats the weather like?

[lilphenom]

i have to agree Argentina have so much dpeth in every position i dont think France is old they are still very dangerous and i would not want to play them but
Argentina in my opinion is the team to built i would not say brazil is rebuilding but they are just trying to find the right lineup i thik when the world cup comes along they will be there usual dangerous self , but a big thing in brazil is if Ronaldo regains his top form , but if there World Cup were to start today i wouls pick Argentina hands down

[B@tigol]

Originally posted by matias
[By the way how is the buzz over in Malaysia for the F1 race this weekend, and whats the weather like? [/B]

HAHAHA the weather was just fine n' we even thought there would be a lack of attendance which turned up to be false, the stands were packed n' shcumacher(whatever) won it again

come back to football,
i think the south american got the same amount of talents either argentina or brazil, they keep producing class players who dominated most of the major league in the world except for epl. so argentina n' brazil will perform greatly in wc 2002 in my opinion

[matias]

Brazil has been in a slump and so have their players. If you look in Italy and Spain, you will see that most of the top teams have key players that are from Argentina, with the exception of Real Madrid of course, who I thought were a better more solid side with Redondo anyways. brazil is still good and so are thier players, but I think that the next 8 years will be ours.

[B@tigol]

but real madrid now got solari, cambiasso n' some that i forgotten. i think they could be classy players for real in the future as they possessed great qualities

[matias]

That it looks set that Real will be getting Schevchenko for next season. Talk about deadly offence!! Solari is decent , but has a lot yet to prove. Im looking forward to seeing Requilme and Saviola reach Barca soon. There is also a rumor that ex- world cup star the 32 year old Basualdo will be joining Barca next year from Boca!! Take Care,.

[B@tigol]

what???? sheva, raul , morientes n' many strikers in chasing for the same position?? i think somebody would be going away!!! i would like to see saviola go to real as i hate barca but saviola shall make great impacts in spain!!:)

[matias]

It would not be that unheard of. Just look at Lazio and the quality strikers they have fighting for a spot. I now hear that Sheva is also being looked at by Arsenal.

[B@tigol]

he will not go to arsenal. he won't have any future playing there. better go to liverpool :D

[matias]

Sheva and Owen up front!! I am also like yourself a big Liverpool fan, have been since the glory days of the 80's. Riedle was my fave player.

[B@tigol]

yayaya
i think that liverpool will start dominating the next decade as man utd's domination seem to be shaking off this season.their players r getting old too

[matias]

I think leeds and Liverpool will be the future of the league. What Liverpool needs to win is some Argies!!!

[kezmania2001]

Argentina's League is ok. But not as good as Yugoslavia's

[sondiego]

THE WORLD KNOWS IT. EVERYONE KNOWS IT. EVEN THE EXTRATERRESTRIALS KNOW IT TOO. Argentina can kick yugoslavia back to where they came from! LOL

[kezmania2001]

You wish SONGIEGO. lol

[sondiego]

Yugoslavia always does pure fouls. Always, Mihajlovic, he colors his hair weird, and fouls people like a maniac!

[kezmania2001]

who care's about Miha, we have the best strikers in the World.

[sondiego]

You MAYBE have the 'best strikers', but thats all. We have the best strikers, the best defence, the best mid and the best goalie. You dont even know about your team. Im sure if you ask the Yugoslavian team who's the best in between the two, They will say Argentina!

[matias]

Cant we all just get along? Sondiego, dime que piensas usted de Aimar?
Anyways, Yugosalvia is fantastic, the national team thier players, the league. I mean look at how many times their teams have won the Champions League and World Club Cup. Also look at how many times they have won the world cup and Euro. And YES THIS IS SARCASM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quilmes y Boca, es todo que quiero!!!!!!!!

[kezmania2001]

No they wont, cause if YUGO play ARGENTINA they will win 2-1 or 3-2

[kezmania2001]

yo, we were only joking, we know each other BOCA MAN

[sondiego]

Keep dreaming. And go to sleep lil' yugo. Even, canada can beat yugo. HAHA

[Andrija PFC]

kezmania2001, stop.

Stani bre malo. Sta se kurcic i lupas gluposti, samo pravis budalu od sebe i od svih nas.

Yugo league better than Argie league? You can argue about the NTs but the leagues?
Damn Georgia is ranked higher than Yugo in the UEFA table of coefficients.

[kezmania2001]

Ok ok, where do you live anyways, do you have messenger? I cant find one serbian person to talk to.

[Andrija PFC]

Nemam MSN, ali imam ICQ

[kezmania2001]

What's that?

[PFC]

I agree with what Andrija told you Kezman2000, in that comparing our league to Argentina's or infact most of other leagues in the world is simply foolish. ! Its well known our best players go abroad where they earn more money and became more known. (same goes for Argentina) Until we build as a country economically do not be expecting good things from our league. Right now our teams are made up of young 21 yeard olds who just rcently found out how to kick a ball. (Sarcasm) However, Mattias, Red Star have won the Euro Champs and World Club honour in 91. True thats the only thing we have won regarding club footbal however for a country so little and "poor" to do this, I'd say its a major accomplishment.

[kezmania2001]

How do you do the faces???

[PFC]

http://www.worldsoccerboard.com/misc.php?action=showsmilies here it tells you what to type for the smile faces.

[kezmania2001]

Thanks Drugar

[B@tigol]

Originally posted by kezmania2001
Ok ok, where do you live anyways, do you have messenger? I cant find one serbian person to talk to.

don't worry kezmania2001, this board is full of Serbs.
:D

[matias]

Dont want to start a huge argument here, and indeed you are correct that Red Star did win those honors in 1991 and it is a great achievement as is Croatia's great third place finnishing in 1998 WC. But here is another little fact, Argentine clubs have won the honor of World Club Champs a total 7 times, the first being Racing Club in 1967 and the most recent Boca Juniors in 2000. And in no way is Argentina a rich country either, in fact Peron and The Military government as well as its current government has spent Argentina to the poor house. Many of its clubs are reaching bankrupsy and must sell their top stars all the time, wich makes the countries club and national achievements quite astounding. In fact only Italy I believe has won more World Club honors and Brazil are tied. However, it is no doubt that what Red Star did back in 91 was awesome, and if I remember correctly in 1990 Yugoslavia outplayed a dire Argentine squad only to be ousted by penalties in the end. Take care.

[sondiego]

Bottom line is Argentina is the best comparing to yugoslavia.

[matias]

Tell me, how did you come to be a Boca fan? Where do you reside? Who is your favorite player? Have you ever been to Buenos Aires and watched Boca play in La Bombanera?

[sondiego]

I am in Canada rite now. So is Kezmania 2001. We live nearby go to sameschool. My fav player in boca and the world is Diego Armando Maradona. I also have plans in future to go to argentina and reside there!

[PFC]

Thats cool. The argument that could be made by some is that European Clubs don't care as much about the World Club Championship as do South Americans. If I am correct, the tournament takes place in the summer and many Euro clubs do not send their full A squads. Now I don't follow the World Club Championship closely, but do I remember Man UTD a couple of years ago were without stars like Beckham.

[B@tigol]

beckham a star?????he is a shit who just know how to get red card :mad:

[matias]

He was at one point decent and could cross the ball with venom, but i guess getting married to a Spice Girl sucked all the talent he had out of him.

[6922251x8-PANOS]

Originally posted by sondiego
You MAYBE have the 'best strikers', but thats all. We have the best strikers, the best defence, the best mid and the best goalie. You dont even know about your team. Im sure if you ask the Yugoslavian team who's the best in between the two, They will say Argentina!

No, Greece has the best goalie in the world. He was voted the best in Europe, and when you see him between the pipes, you will have to agree:)

[sondiego]

What i mean to say is we have the best goalie compared to Yugo's goalie and that is my opinion.

[matias]

Sorry guys but I would have to disagree with you both. Burgos by the way stinks!! Argentina have not had a good keeper since Pumpido and even he was avarage. My fave keepers are, Toldo, Kahn, the national keeper from Portugal I forgot his name and as well Polands keeper is great. As far as strikers go, no argument that argentina might indeed have some of the best right now, Lopez, Batistuta, Cruz, Crespo, Saviola, Palermo, Sosa, too many to choose from. Midfielders as well, Ortega, Aimar, Gallardo, Zanetti, Simoene, Veron, Almeyda, Killy Gonzales, Gustavo Lopez, Claudio Husain, Vivas, Castroman and the list goes on. Defence is solid but could be better, Ayala, Samuel, Pochettino, Sorin, Ibarra, Chamot, not bad but Italy's and France is better. Goalkeepers is where I think our big weakness is. Burgos is a good shot stopper but lousy at anyhting coming through as a cross or corners, I would like to see Bizarri get a chance, but he is only the third string right now.Take care.

[PFC]

Originally posted by sondiego
What i mean to say is we have the best goalie compared to Yugo's goalie and that is my opinion.
No brainer, Yugo have never had a good goalie..

[6922251x8-PANOS]

Originally posted by sondiego
What i mean to say is we have the best goalie compared to Yugo's goalie and that is my opinion.


I was not trying to be mean or anything :), but I just wanted to point that out. As I read by matias, Aregentina having to many to choose from, man is he right. I strongly feal Argentina can walk away with the cup in 02. Brazil is not bad, but I don't see anything great happening any time soon because they need something, and I just can't put my finger on it? Italy has no new blood to show off and they are not as good as they were 3 years ago, at least no yet, and England and Germany has a easy group, so if they make it, every one will see how bad they are. France is Argentinas only opposition, but their skillful players are getting old. The only thing they (France) will have is experience and the ability to work as a team in a great manor.

By the way matias, I like those keepers you stated, but Greece still has the best keeper. Victor Bia might be Portugals, but I don't know for sure.

[matias]

Well to be fair I have not really seen the keeper of wich you are talking about so I shall reserve my judgement until I see him. Tell me is Machlas still playing, I always liked his style.

[6922251x8-PANOS]

Machlas stills play. His game slowed down for a while after he got hurt, but he is back in form and scoring goals again :) . I know Machlas because I like all Greek soccer players, but how do you know him?

This goal keeper was voted the best in Europe and he beat out Toldo, Kahn, and Bia for the award. Oh by the way, it was an Italian committe who gave out the award.

[matias]

So I got to see Machlas in action a few times. By the way these neighbours of mine informed that greeks in general are big fans of Argentine soccer, is that true? This keeper sounds really impressive, whats his name again? I will keep my eyes peeled, Im sure he will play for a huge club soon! Take care.

[6922251x8-PANOS]

His name is Dimitrios Eleferdropolous. He plays for Olympiakos. This guy has the reflexes of a cat, he is amazing.
Greeks respect Argentina as a country in general, so therefor there are many Greeks who live down there. Greeks only like things they can respect:)

[B@tigol]

argentina really got a problem with its goal keeper. maybe the argentinian prefer to attack than defend so less ppl become gks

[matias]

He cant play on Saturday's because of his religion. Remember Roa, I think he still plays for Mallorca on a part time basis, about 2 years ago he retired to study in his religion. He came out of retirement when a few freinds told him he was throwing a natural talent away. He was I believe in 1999 voted keeper of the year, but a keeper who wont play on saturday' is really to hard to find a spot on the team for. Too bad really! Take care.

[sondiego]

Isn't Roa a Catholic?

[matias]

He is one of those hokey pokey later Day Saints.

[sondiego]

I see

[kezmania2001]

What's wrong with KOCIC anyway?

[byzantium21]

i always liked boca but when my club AEK Athens and Boca declared firendship and cooperation that did it for me! boca is the only club in south america that i support, any team that is friend to AEK i will support!

from boca, we got our best young player Fernando Navas, 21 years old. He is awesome!!! he scored on eof the best goals of the uefa cup this year in our 4-4 game against leverkusen in germany.

from boca we also got emmanuel ruiz and medina, but they are not so good (ruiz is decent), medina doesn't even play and will probably leave in the summer.

[matias]

Yeah Boca is quite the team, heck beating Real Madrid is proof enough. Navas is quite good I will be interested in seeing how he matures in a few years. Unfortunately for him to get on to the national squad now a days you have to be fantastic.

[byzantium21]

... but maybe because he plays in greece the NT staff will discriminate against him as they think that competition there is weak. brazil has done the same with giovanni, ze elias, and luciano of olympiakos.

but anyway he is injured now and won't be back in greece until after easter.

by the way i think argentina is the favourite for the WC...

[matias]

But they still use Vivas on a regular basis and I would hardly call the English league great. Argentina does look like being the faves, but they have a history of getting screwed. Lets hope it all turns out for the best, I like seeing the team that deserves to win and plays the most attractive soccer win, and that has not happened since 1986 in my opinion.

[B@tigol]

i hope they'll with the wc next year cause it's maybe the last time for batigol to play in WC

[matias]

Batigol allready stated that he will retire from international play in 2002 after the WC and retire from football probably in 2004.

[Mato]

Hey, Matias and Diego, I live in Buenos Aires. How's your spanish doing these days? I've been to La Bombonera but i'm afraid not to see Boca (my team is Ferro, though right now we're in Primera B, a sort of C division, but we were on Primera división two years ago). To anybody that says the yugo league is better than argentina's, well, better go back to sleep to avoid the hangover. we've been feeding Europe in all its bigger clubs, and still we have players left to have a good league. And anyway, take the national teams, and compare line by line, player by player, and you'll see the difference.

NUFF SAID

[ItalianBoy]

Thats cuz the Argentinian League dosent have any money, so they cant buy good players they can only export them.
Still dont get me wrong, you guys got a good one but cant compare to SERIEA or La Liga.
I wanted to know how is the ARG Champ, doing this days.
Is it still the Apertura or the CLausura?
Who is first? I heard that Manso is good, what about Riquelme? I heard a lot about him but now no more.
Let me know some good players that Italy or Spain might be interested in.

[Garrincha]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
I heard that Manso is good, what about Riquelme? I heard a lot about him but now no more.
Let me know some good players that Italy or Spain might be interested in.

Jeez, help export the few talents they have left, will you? Mato, if I were you, I'd want at least a 10% commission out of these players' sales. :rolleyes:

I tellya, it's tough, being an "export" soccer country.

[ItalianBoy]

Its tough (:confused: ) but its not so bad, I mean when you go see the A national ARG is the one that has a vast variety of players to choose from, Same for ENG and ITA, still ARG has loads.

[ItalianBoy]

Did you hear about Santilli, the new River Plate PREZ, said he wants to buy Riqulme but Juan said that he will never play there.

[Mato]

My pc crashed down so i had to stay outta here for a couple of weeks.
If you asked for a good player (leaving aside Boca´s Riquelme obviously) right now, well, there´s not much quantity but there´s still quality. I personally like D´Alessandro from River, Maxi Rodriguez and Ponzio from Newells (great players, did pretty well in the sub-20 championship along D´Alessandro), if we´re talking about young players, (I could name a few more but you wouldn´t have a clue) Romagnoli and Romeo are already sold to Bayern Leverkusen, though they aren´t really my favorites. Manso is kind of a promess never reaching its potential. He´s good, but too irregular in his performances and too skinny. Not that i take that as a setback, but he doesn´t seem to get ahead of it, as some other players do as Saviola, Ortega, etc.

I would really keep an eye on Maxi Rodriguez (And I´ll want my 10% - we "emergent" economies gotta stick together right Garrincha?:D:D)

[ItalianBoy]

I know Romagnoli and Romeo from San Lorenzo, but I didnt know they signed for Leverk. Let me the players, I do know most of them and if I dont thats even better, Thanks
What about Cambiasso, his he that good?

[Mato]

Well, Cambiasso is pretty good, a real talent, but until he proves himself in Europe, I really don´t know how would he do (not that i´m saying he would suck, on the contrary). He´s kinda like Redondo, a natural 5 (central midfielder) but he can also play left=mid, and people who don´t like their style say that he (like Redondo) is not good for marking and that he doesn´t really makes damage when he has the ball in his feet. I personally think he´s a great player and even greater in the future when he gets more experience.
You want other players right? Well....starting with defenses, Boca´s Schiavi, Racing´s Maciel and Bedoya ( last one colombian), Serrizuela from San Lorenzo, River´s Yepes (colombian also) just to name a couple, midfielders like Falcón and Bujan from Velez (Castroman´s former club), Cambiasso as i´ve mentioned, Riquelme, Erviti from San Lorenzo, Ponzio and Rodriguez from Newells, and as forwards and strikers, Estevez from Racing, Ortega (i now he probably won´t go back to europe:D) from River, Delgado in Boca, Forlan from Independiente (from uruguay, great striker).....etc.

When a remember a couple more of´em that I´m missing I´ll tell ya.

[ItalianBoy]

What can you tell me about Burdisso and Cufre'? THe last one was bought by Roma for only 5M?
And he aint playing?!
I have this game that gives all the stas of players etc and Cufre' comes in as one of the best!

[Mato]

Well, Cufré is definetly good. He´s good in pretty much all the aspects of defending (he could be a bit faster, but he´s alright), and he´s not bad with the ball in his feet. He´s kinda like Samuel, saving the distances, of course.
Burdisso still needs more experience, but so far, he looks like a good prospect, but I don´t see him plying in europe for a while yet.

[ItalianBoy]

Can you post me here a list in order of position of Boca?
Like
G= Golies
D= Defenders
M= Midfielders
F=Forwards.

Example:
G, Cordoba

D, Burdisso
etc.
Thanks


if there is a site you can give it its the same. :rolling:

[Drulic]

http://www.lamitadmas1.com.ar/equipo/default.asp

Here you can find the Boca squad. ;)

[ItalianBoy]

thanks but I actually got it from this other site
www.soccerage.com

[ItalianBoy]

Does anyone know anyting about this guy D'Alessandro? He is between Barcelona and Lazio, one of this 2 teams should get him.

[Sartoris]

Best leagues in the world...So much passion, so much skill! The purest futbol to watch on the planet....

[ItalianBoy]

Sure its a good one but not the best! I think its one of the toughfest as far as contact!

[valdanito]

its beautiful
!!!!
thats for sure!!!!!!