italy destroy dutch

[toronto_soccer]

great game by the azzurri all round. they didn't fall back and try to just defend on their 3-1 lead they kept attacking which was a good change. totti was not even playing.

[ASG]

when italy beat a team 3-1 away from home it is a destruction

[BlazingHeader]

Ehm, we were missing van Nistelrooy, van Persie, Robben, Makaay, van Bommel, Snijder. Boulahrouz also didn't play. Matthijsen, after 7 months of injury also played in the centre. After Vlaar was substituted Italy weren't very dangerous anymore. And we fielded a B-team with 3rd choice players.

The three goals Holland conceeded were all personal errors of Ron Vlaar, a youtplayer who also scored an own goal.

In the first half the teams were even. In the second half Holland pressed and Italy played counter-attack.

1-3 is a flattering scoreline.

[ASG]

Ehm, we were missing van Nistelrooy, van Persie, Robben, Makaay, van Bommel, Snijder. Boulahrouz also didn't play. Matthijsen, after 7 months of injury also played in the centre. After Vlaar was substituted Italy weren't very dangerous anymore. And we fielded a B-team with 3rd choice players.

The three goals Holland conceeded were all personal errors of Ron Vlaar, a youtplayer who also scored an own goal.

In the first half the teams were even. In the second half Holland pressed and Italy played counter-attack.

1-3 is a flattering scoreline.
and they stil couldnt score..so where is your point?

[BlazingHeader]

and they stil couldnt score..so where is your point?

Read my post again, please :rolleyes:

[BlazingHeader]

great game by the azzurri all round. they didn't fall back and try to just defend on their 3-1 lead they kept attacking which was a good change. totti was not even playing.

Ehm, in the second half they relied on counter attack and were mostly busy stopping the attacks of Holland.

[Gremio]

great game by the azzurri all round. they didn't fall back and try to just defend on their 3-1 lead they kept attacking which was a good change. totti was not even playing.

from what i hear, totti is a cancer on the italian team, no wonder they did well without him!

[soccerates]

Ehm, in the second half they relied on counter attack and were mostly busy stopping the attacks of Holland.

No there was nothing to stop, Holland was resorting to 40m shots from way out because they couldn't penetrate the Italian net. Italy also didn't score on the counter (Toni) in the 2nd half. Period. Don't be sour, regardless of you missing your top two players, we were missing ours as well. It was simple a good lesson in tactics. Holland showed no reason why they deserved to even come away with one goal since it was a big time fluke, careening off of two Italian players before falling at Babel's feet. And please, don't forget Italy's first goal which was accidentally called back. Sky cam showed it did not cross the line as the linesman initially thought. It didn't screw anything up though, but it should have been 4-1.

Please, no more excuses. I already demonstrated that 8 of Holland's 11 were regular starters in the last 6 Dutch games.

Italy shut the game down after 3 goals. That's logical. No one can say they stop playing after 1 any more. Holland were reduced to going for long shots, that's all they could do.

[soccerates]

from what i hear, totti is a cancer on the italian team, no wonder they did well without him!


From what you make up, because no one in Italy or no one reporting on actual events say this.

[RaulMadrid7]

Holland's line-up was virtually the B team as BlazingHeader said earlier.

If Italy wants to "destroy" a team, they should be able to beat a B team with more than 3 goals and no conceding goals which they did(1).

Anyways it was a friendly, just a practise to see how the youth can get ready for the World Cup.

[soccerates]

Holland's line-up was virtually the B team as BlazingHeader said earlier.

No that's just an excuse 8/11 were regular starters as I've demonstrated. Whereas Italy had 9/11 starters, and even then it could be considered 8 since Grosso is recently a new addition since Zambrotta made the move to the right side.

You don't even know who their players are, why are you commenting on something someone else said?



If Italy wants to "destroy" a team, they should be able to beat a B team with more than 3 goals and no conceding goals which they did(1).

RM7 cut your crap dude, you didnt watch the game. Italy scored 4, Holland got one lucky bounce off of two Italian players where it dropped right to Babel. No one is going to say there was a great build up on that.

There were no other real extreme threats from Holland after Italy went up by 3. You, as you've been doing since I've joined this forum, try to minimize all of Italy's achievements always. Citing all sorts of generalization from games you don't watch. Just shut your mouth and comment on things that you do watch, chump! ;)

[RaulMadrid7]

No that's just an excuse 8/11 were regular starters as I've demonstrated. Whereas Italy had 9/11 starters, and even then it could be considered 8 since Grosso is recently a new addition since Zambrotta made the move to the right side.

You don't even know who their players are, why are you commenting on something someone else said?



RM7 cut your crap dude, you didnt watch the game. Italy scored 4, Holland got one lucky bounce off of two Italian players where it dropped right to Babel. No one is going to say there was a great build up on that.

There were no other real extreme threats from Holland after Italy went up by 3. You, as you've been doing since I've joined this forum, try to minimize all of Italy's achievements always. Citing all sorts of generalization from games you don't watch. Just shut your mouth and comment on things that you do watch, chump! ;)

Okay, soccerates, I never watched the game, but seriously I know how Italy plays and if Ruud, Robben, Bommel, Makaay and eve Snejder who is doing good in CL, arent playing than there is a problem on the Dutch squad.

But anyways, Italy won and I'm not saying the didn't deserv it, of course they did.

Anyways, I was watching Germany and France instead. :D

[soccerates]

Okay, soccerates, I never watched the game,

No doubt. That's obvious, which is why it's so annoying to read your ill informed comments on something you pretend to talk as an authority on. In fact, you haven't watched most or any of their last 10 games or so, yet you keep spouting off your opinions based on outdated myths and cliche's that you think are meaningful. Why don't you just shut your trap until you actually get a chance to watch or observe for more than 5 minutes. Instead you bore us to death with all sorts of your delusions based on out-dated myths. Can you guess why I'm getting sick of your b.s.?



but seriously I know how Italy plays

No you don't. You keep talking trash about things that don't exist. That's the height of ignorance. Don't try to pass off your clueless comments as real knowledge.



and if Ruud, Robben, Bommel, Makaay and eve Snejder who is doing good in CL, arent playing than there is a problem on the Dutch squad.

The difference is that today it was tactical. Holland still played their typical open attacking game, but were simply outmatched in intensity. I've been telling you all for a few months that Italy will raise the intensity of their game to match top challengers. Makaay has also not been on form lately, and has not been a regular in the Dutch side for the last few games. Holland was playing with 8/11 regulars, and Italy with 9/11.

Ruud and the others wouldn't have received any more service in this game since it was too tight for the Dutch, who took shots from distance at Abbiati.

Italy didn't do what you "think" they did. They attacked for almost the whole game, only reverting to counter attack about 10 minutes after going up 2 goals. Then it was Holland on the outside shooting from a far.

Next time, watch, then comment, because your cliche's are getting tiresome.



Anyways, I was watching Germany and France instead. :D

Then comment on what you watch.

[ItalianBoy]

Ehm, we were missing van Nistelrooy, van Persie, Robben, Makaay, van Bommel, Snijder. Boulahrouz also didn't play. Matthijsen, after 7 months of injury also played in the centre. After Vlaar was substituted Italy weren't very dangerous anymore. And we fielded a B-team with 3rd choice players.

The three goals Holland conceeded were all personal errors of Ron Vlaar, a youtplayer who also scored an own goal.

In the first half the teams were even. In the second half Holland pressed and Italy played counter-attack.

1-3 is a flattering scoreline.
You have no point because we were missing Buffon, Cassano and Totti who are key players for our team. Nistelrooy is a finisher and you could simply not get inside the area. You lost, accept it. It was not a pk loss but a 3-1 with one perfectly fine goal dissalowed for us. We managed to get in your goal 4 times, you only 1 and open goal. SHHHHH!

[Toke-E-Yo]

A loss is a loss, a win is a win.

Doesnt matter if Italy won using their U-21 team
or if Holland were using their A-Team

Italy won, stop crying about it and making excuses. just be thankful it was only a friendly. the real test starts in 7 months

[ASG]

A loss is a loss, a win is a win.

Doesnt matter if Italy won using their U-21 team
or if Holland were using their A-Team

Italy won, stop crying about it and making excuses. just be thankful it was only a friendly. the real test starts in 7 months
great point...and well said
italy need to keep this up they get someplaces

[SiN]

nice scoreline win for italy, very impressing performance they are a great NT and that shud boos there confidence up...

[chuncho_azul]

not bad italy.

i expect a lot from them in the WC

[philipas]

Ehm, we were missing van Nistelrooy, van Persie, Robben, Makaay, van Bommel, Snijder. Boulahrouz also didn't play. Matthijsen, after 7 months of injury also played in the centre. After Vlaar was substituted Italy weren't very dangerous anymore. And we fielded a B-team with 3rd choice players.

The three goals Holland conceeded were all personal errors of Ron Vlaar, a youtplayer who also scored an own goal.

In the first half the teams were even. In the second half Holland pressed and Italy played counter-attack.

1-3 is a flattering scoreline. No excuses... I saw the highlights and review to that game and Italy kicked ass like I and many others predicted they would.. Toni was particularly good. Well done to them.

[KingDattebayo]

Last night match... it was horible!
England shouldn't win the match!
You barely see Owen in the first half!
The second half, it was Joe Cole who turn the table!
He played very well just like usual day.
I give credit to Argentina.
They're totally awesome last night.
But somehow the defender is screwed up!
At the very last moment!
Lots of chance goes begging!
What happened to France vs Germany match?

[KingDattebayo]

It's already out!
I just hope it's better than Championship Manager 2005!

[BlazingHeader]

No there was nothing to stop, Holland was resorting to 40m shots from way out because they couldn't penetrate the Italian net. Italy also didn't score on the counter (Toni) in the 2nd half. Period. Don't be sour, regardless of you missing your top two players, we were missing ours as well. It was simple a good lesson in tactics. Holland showed no reason why they deserved to even come away with one goal since it was a big time fluke, careening off of two Italian players before falling at Babel's feet. And please, don't forget Italy's first goal which was accidentally called back. Sky cam showed it did not cross the line as the linesman initially thought. It didn't screw anything up though, but it should have been 4-1.

Please, no more excuses. I already demonstrated that 8 of Holland's 11 were regular starters in the last 6 Dutch games.

Italy shut the game down after 3 goals. That's logical. No one can say they stop playing after 1 any more. Holland were reduced to going for long shots, that's all they could do.

I see you can't be objective and try to put EVERYTHING in Italian favour. You can do that. As a Dutch-Brazilian I've no bitterness. I do have a sense of honor and integrity and always admit when we fairly lost. But your estimate on our team doesn't reflect reality at all.

I've seen how we combined in the HEART of your defense but missed the final touch. Later came the long distance shots. It wasn't really part of a desperate move. VDV was mainly involved with those shots and if you have been following HSV you'd know that that one of his specialties.

It would seem we're bickering over the issue if you won against a B-side or not. For most people who >know< the Dutch team and the players status it's clear that we were depleted. Far more then you'll propably admit and Italy only had 2 major absences in the likes of Buffon and totti.

If Holland are missing 3 matchwinners aswell as 2 vital players at the back (Boulahrouz and Opdam) it's reasonable to see our point of view, IF you're not too obstinate about it.

[BlazingHeader]

No excuses... I saw the highlights and review to that game and Italy kicked ass like I and many others predicted they would.. Toni was particularly good. Well done to them.

Not a very balanced view on the game, is it?
It's ok. You can exaggerate the matter all you want.
When we have our full squad at our disposal it will be a different story. And if we then lose against you, I'll be the first to congratulate you.

[ItalianBoy]

You say that if you had your team at full potential, it would have been different, well, we did not have a squad at full potential either. The result is what counts and if you saw the game, you can not honestly keep making up excuses. We got to your goal 4 times, you got to ours 1 time.

We schooled you. If in a future game you win against us 3-1, I will not come here and try to excuse my national team. Funny hjow when we say that the South Korea game was rigged (with proof too) people always say "stop bitching!" when it's them first that complain about a friendly.

RM7, pls, if you did not see the game, stop trying to defend your clueless points.

Philipas btw, is Greek, not Italian.

[soccerates]

Hey Blazin, give it up even neutrals admit we were better, and I'm perfectly objective...I even said "IF" it were yuor "B" team, which it is not because you had 8/11 starters as we did (Italianboy already explained Totti, Cassano and Buffon to you) then you should be happy about the result.

So stop whining, it was only a friendly and a fine team like the Dutch with VB will learn from it, although your defense is horribly weak.

[soccerates]

No there was nothing to stop, Holland was resorting to 40m shots from way out because they couldn't penetrate the Italian net. Italy also didn't score on the counter (Toni) in the 2nd half. Period. Don't be sour, regardless of you missing your top two players, we were missing ours as well. It was simple a good lesson in tactics. Holland showed no reason why they deserved to even come away with one goal since it was a big time fluke, careening off of two Italian players before falling at Babel's feet. And please, don't forget Italy's first goal which was accidentally called back. Sky cam showed it did not cross the line as the linesman initially thought. It didn't screw anything up though, but it should have been 4-1.

Please, no more excuses. I already demonstrated that 8 of Holland's 11 were regular starters in the last 6 Dutch games.

Italy shut the game down after 3 goals. That's logical. No one can say they stop playing after 1 any more. Holland were reduced to going for long shots, that's all they could do.


I see you can't be objective and try to put EVERYTHING in Italian favour.

What?!? I did nothing of the sort, all we hear from you are bitter excuses "Hollnd would have won if this....Holland only lost because of this....Italy isn't better....The scoreline was flattering....Holland is still better..." :blah:



You can do that. As a Dutch-Brazilian I've no bitterness.

Really? It looks like you've fooled us all then!



I do have a sense of honor and integrity and always admit when we fairly lost. But your estimate on our team doesn't reflect reality at all.

So now you're saying you didn't fairly lose? :Pound:



I've seen how we combined in the HEART of your defense but missed the final touch.

Because there were no opportunities for any final touch. You were shut down and effectively kept on the outside which is why you guys needed to try shots from 40m out. No one can accuse Italy of defending a 1-0 lead. We defended a 3-1 lead, and even still it should have been 4-1, and still further we continued to generate dangerous chances. Your most dangerous chance came off a mistake, a fluke bounce off of an Italian defender which fell to Babel. He made no mistake and finished nicely, but that's the only time you penetrated our defence - on a mistake...a deflection.



Later came the long distance shots. It wasn't really part of a desperate move.[/quoet]

Gee, ok, whatever...not desperation but the only way you guys could get the ball on our net. Ok. sure....


[quote=Blazin]
It would seem we're bickering over the issue if you won against a B-side or not.

Edwin van der Sar,
Jan Kromkamp (Nigel de Jong, 60),
Ron Vlaar (Andre Ooijer, 60),
Joris Mathijsen,
Giovanni van Bronckhorst,
Denny Landzaat,
Phillip Cocu (George Boateng, 87),
Rafael van der Vaart,
Romeo Castelen,
Dirk Kuyt,
Ryan Babel (Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink, 82).

bold players have all started in past 6-7 of your games, not "b" players whatsoever. A B team is when you have 90% of your players from your second team. You're purposely over exagerating this to minimize the loss. Yes, you are a bitter perso.

Also, from what I hear, Babel is an up and coming striker and Castelen is not as shite as you would suggest. Vlaar may have played poorly. Now you know not to use him :lol:



For most people who >know< the Dutch team and the players status it's clear that we were depleted.

So were we. We scored 3 goals sans our two top forwards and you guys only got 1 goal on our 3rd or even 4th rate keeper. Congrats!



Far more then you'll propably admit and Italy only had 2 major absences in the likes of Buffon and totti.

You don't know who Cassano is? And then you say I'm not familiar with your players.



If Holland are missing 3 matchwinners aswell as 2 vital players at the back (Boulahrouz and Opdam) it's reasonable to see our point of view, IF you're not too obstinate about it.

Quite whining girlfriend. It's only a friendly, and I'm sure the Dutch will recover.

But then all you're saying is that you have no depth. I can agree with that, which is why later on in the game Lippi took off our starters and put in all our B players...still you couldn't materialize anything.

[wolverine]

I guess this shud send enough signals to anyone who has been writing off Italy.