83,000 sell out at telstra stadium!!!!!

[QuicK Silv3r]

Well i think that goes down as a record in australian history LOL. Good to see that kind of crowd in aus :D.

[chacal7]

Wasn't the stadium of 2001 bigger than this one?

[EASports]

Yes the stadium was bigger. It could seat 110 000, but was reduced after the olympics. I guess Rugby league could only attract that crowd twice a year or so with the final & origin series.

But that will be a great atmosphere to play in !!!! 83 000 wow

Uruguay is going down. :mad2: :star:

[chacal7]

http://www.fussballtempel.net/conmebol/URU/Centenario_Montevideo_A.jpg


See you here!!!!

[BarnetFC]

^ hahaha u call that a stadium, it looks like a massive clump of cement, a 2nd rate Colosseum made 1000s of years ago :blabla:

this is what you call a stadium

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1410000/images/_1413947_stadiumaustralia300.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/architecture/stadium_design/pictures/sydney_telstra/sydney_telstra1.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/crazy2/awesomefoursomerugby/telstrastadium.jpg

[EASports]

now now lets be nice to our uruguyan brothers :lol:

"clump of cement" :lol:

[chacal7]

If you think that was build 75 years ago, that the first world cup final was played there, that was declared as historic monument by FIFA and that is completly up to date, then yes, I call it a stadium

[EASports]

If you think that was build 75 years ago, that the first world cup final was played there, that was declared as historic monument by FIFA and that is completly up to date, then yes, I call it a stadium

I would call it an Antique

[QuicK Silv3r]

LOL a FIFA Antique :D.

[chacal7]

As you wish

[papal23]

Yes my friend, this is what we call a stadium...... let me refresh your mind......this stadium hosted the final of the first world cup....... this stadium is the home of the country that won 2 world cups, 2 olympic games(considered world cups by the FIFA) and an others 14 American Cups......also 2 3-time world club champions plays on it, and i want to keep explaining this to you but i think it's unfare to talk to someone who hasn't won anything in his life, but anyway.......


Think, then talk.....i don't know if it has any sense in english, but in spanish, it's PENSA ANTES DE HABLAR, CANGURO MAMADERA......

do u know pichichi??

[miladin]

^ hahaha u call that a stadium, it looks like a massive clump of cement, a 2nd rate Colosseum made 1000s of years ago :blabla:

this is what you call a stadium

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1410000/images/_1413947_stadiumaustralia300.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/architecture/stadium_design/pictures/sydney_telstra/sydney_telstra1.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/crazy2/awesomefoursomerugby/telstrastadium.jpg

nice pictures :rockon:

[Wordsmyth]

Australia has a shiny new stadium, so what? Until it earns some glory of its own, it's just a mere stadium with a corporation's name. They build them everywhere these days, like it was a massive dick-waiving contest.

Wembley, Santiago Bernabeu, Camp Nou, Maracaná, Monumental de Núñez, La Bombonera, Giuseppe Meazza, Stadio delle Alpi, Parc des Princes... those are names that live in football's legend, and we're proud to have our very own Centenario among them.

[QuicK Silv3r]

go john howard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. :D.

[quenonino]

Australia has a shiny new stadium, so what? Until it earns some glory of its own, it's just a mere stadium with a corporation's name. They build them everywhere these days, like it was a massive dick-waiving contest.

Wembley, Santiago Bernabeu, Camp Nou, Maracaná, Monumental de Núñez, La Bombonera, Giuseppe Meazza, Stadio delle Alpi, Parc des Princes... those are names that live in football's legend, and we're proud to have our very own Centenario among them.

Hi there! Some comments take your coolness away ,isn't it Wordsmyth?-I like your simile:the massive "D" waiving contest! ;) Massive the lack of glory of the shiny new stadium-but let them live in hope for a couple of days.. The "second leg" might be the opportunity for Australia to start building the long glory of its own...Who knows?-With a 83,000 sell out it will shine at least in colour that's for sure.

Proud I was to see the Centenario today!shinning with the pride of Uruguayans!What a privilege four Australians to be there!(for those who appreciate glory it was a privilege. If in doubt check up comments made by people like Les Murray.)

[SiN]

haha damn i was concerned that the stadium was gonna collapse from all that abuse shouting from the fans...lool god would have punished them badly for that...haha...telstra stadium is better than that one by 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times....loool...

[philipas]

Will history be made on Wednesday at Sydney's amazing stadium?

Let's hope so...

http://www.fussballtempel.net/ofc/AUS/Stadium_Australia_A.jpg

[quenonino]

haha damn i was concerned that the stadium was gonna collapse from all that abuse shouting from the fans...lool god would have punished them badly for that...haha...telstra stadium is better than that one by 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times....loool...

Abuse?? What abuse? Do u understand Spanish?..What transmision did u watch?-Did it have subtitles???

See how u behave on Wednesday! Put your "F" word in your pocket and don't bring your beer!(better bring it because u are going to need it to swallow your sorrow!)

Ah..."Bigger isn't always better" mate!Look at that number u wrote:I bet u can't read it! :evil:

Abuse u know how! provoking too- like u are doing right here! What a SIN(your nick) indeed to make the Aussie fans look so pathetic! You do not represent most of them u know?Thank goodness!

And by the way...are u coming on Wednesday or are u just :blabla: :blabla: ..Tell me where u are going to be:Wouln't miss your class of good behaviour for the world!-You'll identify me easily: I'll be wearing my sky blue jersey! and :yell: :yell: :yell: but not burping! ;) and obviously not being rude.

[stuglue]

Just something for all the Uruguayans out there,England beat the Aussies yesterday at rugby,the favourite sport of the nation so they are in the doldrums at the moment.Theirs your incentive to rub salt in the wounds.

[BarnetFC]

^ its far from our favourite sport of the nation so get your facts straight before you speak

[QuicK Silv3r]

Yeah sure ya would like rugby LOL :D.

[strazzaque]

Just something for all the Uruguayans out there,England beat the Aussies yesterday at rugby,the favourite sport of the nation so they are in the doldrums at the moment.Theirs your incentive to rub salt in the wounds.
No stuglue, the incentive is for them to stick it to us for [apparently] questioning the dignity of the Uruguayan population every time someone brings up the reception in Montevideo 4 years ago. The press is first to do this, but infortunately, even if it was only a few thugs [and shrugged off by the players], the damage has been done. I guess you could say we have a South American nemesis.

It wasn't what you meant, but Uruguay probably could give the Wallabies a game right now, if Juan Menchaca (sp?) is on his game

[Wordsmyth]

^ its far from our favourite sport of the nation so get your facts straight before you speak

What, you want us to bring up the Ashes Cup? ;)

[strazzaque]

What, you want us to bring up the Ashes Cup? ;)
Hi wordsmyth,
Rugby league is probably the main game in NSW. In Victoria and a few other States it would be Aussie Rules football. One thing we're blessed and cursed with is being competitive in many sports, several of which are contested by a small pool of nations. However, we're waking up to the really important games, like football, and with our capacity to improve we'll do so, enough to qualify for 2006 hopefully, but if not, then through playing tough competitors inAsia from now on.

[quenonino]

Just something for all the Uruguayans out there,England beat the Aussies yesterday at rugby,the favourite sport of the nation so they are in the doldrums at the moment.Theirs your incentive to rub salt in the wounds.

Saw the papers this morning stuglue and didn't feel satisfaction cause I'm not English and/or an English rugby supporter but a Uruguayan with Australian citizenship who is proud of Uruguay and the Uruguayan Soccer Team.

Incentives to become a Uruguayan nemesis for Australia in soccer though or to feel tempted to rub salt in the wounds continue to come our way.

Now these bunch of snobs laugh at the fact that while the Socceroos had a First Class flight the Uruguayan Team had to endure Economy Class.They don't mentioned it as an advantage coming their way due to poor management of the Uruguayan administrators-they laughed openly laugh!-The images were very eloquent.

Coach + players laughing (no trick from the media this time)...Saw it on the news...Witness the "Class"(?) and confidence they have:role models!-It's no wonder the more I see about this sort of behaviour the more CELESTE and proud of it I feel! the more conviction I get that Australia is not ready to go to the WC!
This is the team (with this mentality?) that expects to be there in Germany at the same level as Brazil or Argentina to name just two of Southamerican great ones?
Very sad indeed because I live in here and would love to see Australian soccer going forward- growing-developing well...I can't see their "class" yet and even if Goddess fortune assist them...I doubt they would go far in Germany.

Surely my comments will not sound very technical-objective-etc etc:Aussie logistics escape my poor intellect.Our "thought processes" (fans and team alike) seem to be indeed abismally different"...I feel very fine with my thought process thank u very much!

Should we rub salt in the wounds if Australia is defeated on Wednesday? certainly not. I wouldn't but I would celebrate the Uruguayan win like mad! Oh yeah!

Second Class we fly! Second Class people or soccer team Uruguayans are not! and that goes for all that say we are!

[strazzaque]

Hi Quenonino,

You wrote:

---Now these bunch of snobs laugh at the fact that while the Socceroos had a First Class flight the Uruguayan Team had to endure Economy Class. They don't mentioned it as an advantage coming their way due to poor management of the Uruguayan administrators

I laugh at the irony that, after changing the kickoff to 9pm so Australia would miss its commercial flight, the AUF outsmarted itself with its failed charter.

You'll note that our press has never failed to point this out, stopping short of printing out how blatantly incompetent that really is.


Secondly, how can it be an advantage to Australia since you guys claim you're used to the adverse conditions? It sounds like you're laying the basis for 'plausible' excuses should we win 2-0 and qualify.

Thirdly, you ought to be sharing Recoba's claim of a 'divine right to qualify' shouldn't you? What was that about Uruguayans being humble, again?
Let these words, and Fossati's* prove that your humility does not extend to football (*"win at all costs" comment), at least not when it involves insignificant little Australia.

It matters little if you cannot see our 'class'. We went from 3-0 in 2001 to 1-0 in 2005.
More importantly, we're still in it, having confused your players enough about whether we're better, or worse.

Speaking of a lack of class, "Pot, meet Kettle"-

What do you think of Uruguayans booing the Australian national anthem? Your own people insulted you as an Australian citizen.

Don't let that stop you supporting the team, but know that you were collateral damage in your compatriots display of national pride at the expense of disrespecting ours (yours and mine)- how's that for the perfect definition of a true lack of class?

I really hope the Sydney crowd does not do the same, we have many Uruguayan Australians whom we'd be attacking with such jingoistic stupidity.

Also, nice to know the Australian delegation was removed from the hospitality section to an 8 person pressbox just before kick-off. I guess they wanted a more 'intimate' setting for FFA officials to watch the game, no?

[EASports]

These uruguayans have ego problems.."divine right to qualify" ??? I thought soccer was game and you play to win. What a wanker Recoba is. I really hope Australia kicks the ass of uruguay and then uruguay gets all upset cause they lost and start a fight on thr field because they are not sportsmen but rather big sore loosers.

GO AUSSIE !!!!!!!!!

[quenonino]

Hi Quenonino,

You wrote:

---Now these bunch of snobs laugh at the fact that while the Socceroos had a First Class flight the Uruguayan Team had to endure Economy Class. They don't mentioned it as an advantage coming their way due to poor management of the Uruguayan administrators

I laugh at the irony that, after changing the kickoff to 9pm so Australia would miss its commercial flight, the AUF outsmarted itself with its failed charter.

You'll note that our press has never failed to point this out, stopping short of printing out how blatantly incompetent that really is.


Secondly, how can it be an advantage to Australia since you guys claim you're used to the adverse conditions? It sounds like you're laying the basis for 'plausible' excuses should we win 2-0 and qualify.

Thirdly, you ought to be sharing Recoba's claim of a 'divine right to qualify' shouldn't you? What was that about Uruguayans being humble, again?
Let these words, and Fossati's* prove that your humility does not extend to football (*"win at all costs" comment), at least not when it involves insignificant little Australia.

It matters little if you cannot see our 'class'. We went from 3-0 in 2001 to 1-0 in 2005.
More importantly, we're still in it, having confused your players enough about whether we're better, or worse.

Speaking of a lack of class, "Pot, meet Kettle"-

What do you think of Uruguayans booing the Australian national anthem? Your own people insulted you as an Australian citizen.

Don't let that stop you supporting the team, but know that you were collateral damage in your compatriots display of national pride at the expense of disrespecting ours (yours and mine)- how's that for the perfect definition of a true lack of class?

I really hope the Sydney crowd does not do the same, we have many Uruguayan Australians whom we'd be attacking with such jingoistic stupidity.

Also, nice to know the Australian delegation was removed from the hospitality section to an 8 person pressbox just before kick-off. I guess they wanted a more 'intimate' setting for FFA officials to watch the game, no?

*Well done mate: intelligent criticism taken! You are right in that point of irony...if u are certain the motives of the change of time was part of a stupid and unnecessary strategy from our admin..

More than right u are! We are the first ones to criticise our admin and their stupidity when things like that happen.Re-read posts by Uruguayans re: that issue.Some are in Spanish but that wouldn't be a problem for u or would it??? (re:Uruguay_Rules so hot under thte collar for the stupidity of our adm that he disappeared from this forum) and read also the motives given by Renx from his point of view.)-Both live in Uruguay!-There have been many more posts in that vein! with a very intelligent self-assessment of our pros and cons..dismissed by the majority of the people in this forum and by the people I talk to in Sydney.---------Laugh at the irony.I am :mad2: at AUF in some aspects..but can not do anything from here can I? I am only a fan with certain thought processes not= to the AUF or/and the FFA...and dare to express my views if only fragmentarily.(I am not a journalist like u I told u before!)

*In my opinion there is a snobbish attitude coming among other things coming from many fronts here in Australia..It pisses me off to watch u guys!
It really does! It shouldn't because to be honest I don't think it is worth to get upset!-Personally I am going to be very arrogant and say that sometimes I feel above and beyond the amount of rubbish I see here in Australia and it shouldn't affect me at all!-It will affect many though.

*To adverse situations we are used to oh yes!(read some more history about Uruguay please! and u will see!!!) but we are only humans not superheroes.
To deny the possible effects of the position our players have been put under (re:flight time to recover etc..) would be the greatest stupidiy of them all..Blame the AUF for it! of course! not your fantastic FFA.(allow me a laugh here! re: your fantastic administrators!--will talk abut ironies after Wenesday!)
No laying the basis for any "plausible" excuse should u win for that margin on Wednesday...Not coming from me at least! rather analysis according to my thought processes if u are still interested.

*Why should I join Recoba's claim of "divine right to qualify"???-Recoba has his own views..and I have mine...and maybe his own convictions to say that.In my view that was a very stupid comment on his part now that u mention it again and again.I admire Recoba for his skills that doesn't mean I agree with his claims.Maybe Recoba doesn't realise his skills and soccer class don't need any extra divine help..(maybe he was thinking of something else regarding this Uruguayan Team and adm...I don't really know...but his claim was really unnecessary..and exposed Uruguayans to ridicule )

*I desagree with that alleged confusion of our players re: being better or worse.No confusion at all I dare to say!..anything but confusion.

*The booing of an Anthem in a sport context? Not good at all-not that serious either but let's leave the reacting against humiliation to the "patriots" of Australia!
I didn't feel insulted as an Australian citizen..not this time..not in this context.I don't condone it but I believe I understand the Uruguayan reaction.
I don't take or request classes of allegiance to Australia.I do comply with it when it really matters.(Insult and self-inflicted shame for Australians it has been not to boo the Australian Anthem..(in sports) but demonstrate many sport-people and fans don't even know the words of Advance Australia Fair) so please spare me..I do live in here.

*jigoistic stupidity it is but only sometimes.Patriotism in some contexts we agree is the last refuge of scoundrel--Are u saying all Uruguayans are like that?? or that the booing of of the Australian National Anthem was a demonstration of that? I dare to disagree.
Scoundrel we have..we'll see your quota on Wednesday! Hope u aren't superior on that either.

*No comment on your last point(apartheid or mafia reference?;].I don't have enough info.You might be right.

[sonofrecoba]

Listen, all around teh world at futbol stadiums there are dickheads that whistle at the opposing teams national anthem. Get over it. Welcome to world football.

I don't condone it at all...but c'mon, the world has more important problems. If you can't handle a handful of people:
a) yell/spit at your players
b) yell during your national anthem

you definitely don't deserve to go to the world cup. You have no idea what it takes to be a champion.

Fossatti is right...win at all costs. Here, the given that you don't understand is the football code. You don't know it bec. you have no football culture. So don't htink that by saying that he condones violence.

FIFA Fairplay has turned you into pussies. This is a game fro men. Sportsmanship? Sportsmanship never won anything. If you want to call us cheaters. Fine.

How am I going to convince you that we had 3 penalties turned down and you had more yellow cards than us. But we are cheaters. Cmon.

I have patience...but not an infinite supply.

PS Where are all the obnoxious Aussies that spent all this time insulting us? Strazzaque and a few others showed their face. Where are you assholes? Very confident no?

[quenonino]

HERE IT GOES:

as demonstration of "class" of a "Uruguayan-Aussie"

MY CONTRIBUTION for the aussie fans who are planning to go tomorrow to witness your team win the second leg.(unrequested contribution but maybe needed and I hope that appreciated)

You are welcome!
...................................................................................................

Australian National Anthem


Advance Australia Fair was proclaimed as our national anthem after exhaustive surveys of national opinion. In 1974 the Australian Bureau of Statistics conducted a national opinion poll of 60,000 and in 1977 a plebiscite for a national song was conducted. On each occasion, Advance Australia Fair was the preferred option, and it was in consideration of such support that Advance Australia Fair was proclaimed as the national anthem by the Governor-General on 19 April 1984.

"NATIONAL ANTHEM"

Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil;
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in nature’s gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history’s page, let every stage
Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
We’ll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who’ve come across the seas
We’ve boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

....................................................................

Your turn to show how much this Anthem means to you!(in a soccer context of course)

[quenonino]

Listen, all around teh world at futbol stadiums there are dickheads that whistle at the opposing teams national anthem. Get over it. Welcome to world football.

I don't condone it at all...but c'mon, the world has more important problems. If you can't handle a handful of people:
a) yell/spit at your players
b) yell during your national anthem

you definitely don't deserve to go to the world cup. You have no idea what it takes to be a champion.

Fossatti is right...win at all costs. Here, the given that you don't understand is the football code. You don't know it bec. you have no football culture. So don't htink that by saying that he condones violence.

FIFA Fairplay has turned you into pussies. This is a game fro men. Sportsmanship? Sportsmanship never won anything. If you want to call us cheaters. Fine.

How am I going to convince you that we had 3 penalties turned down and you had more yellow cards than us. But we are cheaters. Cmon.

I have patience...but not an infinite supply.

PS Where are all the obnoxious Aussies that spent all this time insulting us? Strazzaque and a few others showed their face. Where are you assholes? Very confident no?

Amen flaco! U don't even imagine how exhausting can be to try and make some people understand certain things in Australia! Frustrating!-They don't have a clue! and take some things literally!-example:"win at all costs"-Some of them certainly would take that as a mortal threat.

Listen to this:You know how we sometimes say:"I'm going to kill u" as an idiom..jokingly..as a figure of speech?--Well..don't tell that to some idiots in here or u end up in jail for serious harassment and threat on someone's life!

You are right sonofrecoba OUR CODES ARE DIFFERENT!!--We speak different languages but the difference does not end there!

As the French say:Garcons:VIVRE LA DIFFERENCE!

WE ARE DIFFERENT YEAH: WE ARE "CE-LES-TES"!! AND PROUD OF IT!

My patience is getting critic point as well!

URUGUAY QUE NO NI NO! WITH GUTS YEAH!

[quenonino]

[QUOTE=sonofrecoba]Listen, all around teh world at futbol stadiums there are dickheads that whistle at the opposing teams national anthem. Get over it. Welcome to world football.

I don't condone it at all...but c'mon, the world has more important problems. If you can't handle a handful of people:
a) yell/spit at your players
b) yell during your national anthem

you definitely don't deserve to go to the world cup. You have no idea what it takes to be a champion.



PS-To that lack of endurance - courage and confidence I was referring when I said I can not see the "class" of this Australian Team (World Soccer Class that is)
That's why I mentioned it before: if this is their attitude-their approach if their acting so far is a fair reflection of their psychological strengh they don't deserve to go to the WC! It takes much more than that to deserve to be standing in there with the teams they would encounter.

[strazzaque]

*I am going to be very arrogant and say that sometimes I feel above and beyond the amount of rubbish I see here in Australia and it shouldn't affect me at all!

It is best to rise up above the ground floor name calling, on that we're both in agreement, that's for sure. You have a unique perspective of supporting our opposition in a country where the majority view is against you. It'll last another few days or so, which I am sure you'll be revelling in. ;]


*allow me a laugh here! re: your fantastic administrators!--will talk abut ironies after Wenesday!)... rather analysis according to my thought processes if u are still interested.

That will be a good conversation, you can expect the same from me.


*but demonstrate many sport-people and fans don't even know the words of Advance Australia Fair) so please spare me..I do live in here.

Second verse, mate. I have to admit ignorance on that too. ;]

*Patriotism in some contexts we agree is the last refuge of scoundrel--Are u saying all Uruguayans are like that?? or that the booing of of the Australian National Anthem was a demonstration of that? Scoundrel we have..we'll see your quota on Wednesday! Hope u aren't superior on that either.

No way, based on what the players have said throughout of their recent and previous travels to Montevideo it would only have been individuals at the stadium who were scoundrels. I think you will see some of our idiot supporters react the same way. If anything, their actions will be even worse, because first they would have claimed the moral high ground and been outraged, and then decide to act out their revenge against an entire expatriate crowd who weren't guilty of anything.

This is why sporting passion is sometimes anything but.

*No comment on your last point(apartheid or mafia reference?;].I don't have enough info.You might be right.

Apparently the AUF moved our non-team officials out of hospitality suites into a pressbox. I'm guessing that is a bad thing, since it was brought up. Would probably have meant the airconditioner was replaced by a ceiling fan, or a bit like moving out of first class and into economy, ha ha. ;]

[strazzaque]

*If you can't handle a handful of people:
a) yell/spit at your players
b) yell during your national anthem
you definitely don't deserve to go to the world cup. You have no idea what it takes to be a champion.

Champions are made on the field. Your selections are off-field psychological games. Give the Germans more credit for staging a World Cup free of that sort of behaviour, and it will be.

Most recent World Cups have been heavily policed and mostly incident free, except for some notable rioting by Euro-trash.
It would do Uruguayan fans going to the World Cup a disservice if they read your comments and thought this is the way you believe they support the Celeste. For the most part, not even you would believe your people support their team like that. Fair comment?


*Fossatti is right...win at all costs. Here, the given that you don't understand is the football code.

He does not mention violence. An article I posted on another thread in this forum explains how it means the Uruguayans won't be squemish about yellow cards, leaving the potential for rough tackling open. The same could be said for our players too. As for the football code, where can I obtain a 'decoder ring'?

*You don't know it bec. you have no football culture. So don't htink that by saying that he condones violence.

There's that condescending tone again. You have no history, etc. etc. I wonder what Wordsmyth makes of this line of thinking- that your fans have superior insights into football because you can read about the time you ruled the world in history books, when you weren't even born. Football culture is here, but since you're not and don't bother looking beyond your own definition there's no convincing you. I didn't say a thing about violence from Fossati's team, either.

*FIFA Fairplay has turned you into pussies. This is a game fro men. Sportsmanship? Sportsmanship never won anything. If you want to call us cheaters. Fine.

Er, actually, if you read your own paragraph 'cheating' is a conclusion you draw around your own neck.

A man's game? Oh, you meant that kind of man who'd dive like a sissy when he was around the 18 yard box so Recoba could hit it. I guess the ends justify the means, and that it is a smart tactic, right?

As for sportsmanship, I guess Montero shouldn't have explained to the Australians why he kicked the ball out into touch so an injured Uruguayan player could receive treatment. Of course, by your account, the Australian should have just kept possession, instead of returning the ball to Carini, eh?

*How am I going to convince you that we had 3 penalties turned down and you had more yellow cards than us. But we are cheaters. Cmon.

You don't have to, I thought you had 2 penalty claims outright, Popovic for tackling Morales, and Schwarzer. I wasn't sure if he'd made contact with Recoba but erred on the attackers side, as he did stick a leg out before heading in the other direction.

By that same token, I didn't see any elbow from Chipperfield when Perez (or Diogo?) barrelled into him for the freekick and goal.

*PS Where are all the obnoxious Aussies that spent all this time insulting us? Strazzaque and a few others showed their face. Where are you assholes? Very confident no?

Obnoxious? I've tried to be balanced without insulting any of you. Perhaps sportsmanship is lost on you? Then again, I'm not offended by what you've written, since you've tried to articulate your defence at length. I enjoy reading such material.

Some of the guys are having exams right now, as far as I know. I am at work right now.

Anyway, the real analysis and post-mortem will come tomorrow night. I'll be here.

[QuicK Silv3r]

Wait till tomorrow night when we kick your ass 2-0 with 83,000 aussie booing you and cheering for us LOL.

[Renx]

Wait till tomorrow night when we kick your ass 2-0 with 83,000 aussie booing you and cheering for us LOL.

I can't wait to see the scared face of García and Morales when you boooooooo us.

LOL.

Oops, I should say "the scary face".

[sonofrecoba]

Strazzaque,
First, When I said the obnoxius Aussies, what I failed to transmit is that you are not one of them and that, in reality you are one of the few that actually engages in real conversation. Sorry, I failed to transmit that.

It was a very meaty post.

Second, the Germany example is off context. To become a champion you need to go thru adversity. That is my point. I am not condoning either the spitting or the national anthem, but I am saying that it is irrelevant and not only a Uruguay thing. You Aussies now hate us because of those incidents when if you played any playoff against any other LA team, the same, or worse happens. My point was from the perspective of the victims, that if you succumb to that, then you have no right being in the WC. Why? Bec. you can't handle the pressure.

In stadiums in ARG, you go and they piss on you from the cheap seats as you leave the stadium. In la Plata, the stadium is in a forrest and the opposition waits in the trees and throws rocks at you as you leave the stadium. Point: this is not for the faint of heart.

Third, Fossattis comments. I didnt say you had interpreted it as violence. This I saw in other threads. A tackle is a tackle. I have never seen a URU injure another player. We go hard but to the ball. The ref has the power to make the call using his yellow or red card as too how orthodox or not the tackle was. So I am tired of people saying we are dirty, we play fair and strong, within the rules. Getting someone kicked off is not dirty, you played to the limit and the rules say you have to leave. This is one misconception you Aussies have thanks to not knowing the Football Code.

You konw that the Anglo press calls Montero the hardman and then always quotes that he has the record in Italy for expulsions. I have two nuances that should amuse you. You know who he overtook in the record? Baresi - A legend all across teh world, but I never hear people say he's a hack. Dou you know that the majority of his expulsions came from double yellow? Hardly the picture the initial statement conjurs up.

Fourth, History. Your wrong to thinki that our history is antiquated. This is the problems iwth most anglo fans, they think that the WC is the only measure of a champion. In my lifetime, URU won 3 Copa Americas, went to the final of another. Also, my club team won 2 libertadores & Intercontinentals. Not to mention my archrivals who also won one. So, don't think that we've had a drought since 1950. That is a common misconception. You can't possibly give so much credit to the Confederations Cup and then ignore histoyr like I said. Like it or not, our mantra of "Uruguay has history" is a form of psyching the players up. Tough. Uruguay goes to the field with 3m behind them and the ghost of champions filling their hearts. Its metaphysical mumbo jumbo, but htese games are won with hearts, not with legs or brains.

Fifth, Mans game. You have a misconception of what a man is. Man isnt the english version, where they hack eachother all day and yell 'get up, get up' There is a certain aspect of melodrama when we get hit. ITs part of the game to try and get the opponent a yellow card. You have a problem with that? Ok...let's count who has this style?
- Brazil
- Uruguay
- Argentina
- Italy
Who deosn't
- England
- Germany

I count the WC differential 12-4. Did I count right? Listen, if you have a problem withthe latin way fo playing, I think that you should start to ask yourself if you are guaging this sport correctly. IF I watch Ice Hockey, I look to the Canadians or Europeans for guidelines on the correct way to play, I don't go to Arizona, USA.

I'm tired of you judging a style that has 12 WCs to its name. You guys watch too much Premiership, then you create this false sense of proper football that makes you say some dumb stuff. Premiership is a marketing scam and you know it.

Sixth, New Topic. I am tired of seeing and reading that the only difference b/w Aussie and URU was Recoba. You guys have a tendency (I suspect bec. the majority of you kon't konw how to read a game) to just look at the forwards. So you say,
Recoba - Awesome. I agree.
Zalayeta - Didnt exist. I agree.
Dario - Diver. Yes, but he did his job. He played better than Viduka or KEwell.
Chengue - Big, black who cares? Same applies as Dario.

So, what aboiut the rest of the players?
Garcia & Perez - Won an undermanned midfield
Diogo - Was unstoppable.
Rodriguez - Was a dynamo.
Montero - Didn't even sweat.

These others arre world class players. Sorry, but you don't have them. I believe the masses will realize after tomorrow the value of these guys as that is when they will be put to task. But anyone who knows football and watched this game should know the following:
- If Garcia & Perez won an undermanned midfield (after initial 25 min), won't they do even better once that midfield is reinforced?
- Lugano comes back to reinforce a defense that didn't sweat one Aussie attack.
- Diogo & Rodriguez will be practically impassible bec. now they now their 1st priority is defense.
- Of 4 attackers, only 1 played well. IF Fossatti fielded them, do they all really suck? What would happen in a game where maybe 3 of them actually play well. What if el chino played another great game, Silva linked up with him, Zalayeta showed some CL form and chengue did the same? Hmmm. They won't all play, expect 2-3 of them.

These are the real questions. I see a lot of forum posters saying that we will lose 2-0. Sorry buddies, but this team is unbeaten in 1 yr, including tough road games. It's going to be a tie.

I will let a 3rd party (ESPN journalist) sum it up:
Uruguay, entonces, debe seguir luchando, pero los celestes, que han hecho de la lucha el arma más importante a la hora de forjar su nombre en la historia de este deporte, no se van a achicar, ni mucho menos.

Uruguay, then, must keep fighting, but the celestes, for whom fighing has always been their weapon of choice in forging a name for themselves in the history of this sport, they won't fall short, by all means. [not the best tranlation, but...]

We'll see tommorrow.


That's it. I iknow you came to show your face and probably will tommorrow. IF we win/pass thru, you will be the only Aussie on this site, probably. In fact, win or lose you will be the only Aussie that tries to have a conversation. I anticipate more insults. IF we win, ' you are a 3rd world country' , ' You eat bananas' , ' you wont get past the 1st round'. If we lose, the same plus ' you suck' , ' 'your players are pussies' etc.

[Wordsmyth]

I can't wait to see the scared face of García and Morales when you boooooooo us.

LOL.

Oops, I should say "the scary face".

You know, García reminds me of someone...

http://www.weys.net/data/image/uruguay/pablo_garcia.jpg

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/2004-06/29-dvd-shining-inside.jpg

;)

[strazzaque]

Hi Sonofrecoba,
I guessed I wasn't among the obnoxious posters you mentioned. Wordsmyth wrote something similar in one of these threads

Adversity comes in different formats- for us it is 32 years of underachievement, things like being beaten by a freak own goal against Argentina, 2 late goals versus Iran, having an automatic spot revoked when it was expected to be ratified. It has exposed our own failings, mental, physical and administrative, such as not having a lobby on our side.
Australians don't hate Uruguayans, you're an adversary, and for a sporting country like this it is a battle the player relish. The fans, ordinary people, are enflamed by their memories of 2001, a combintation of defeat and *THOSE* unsavoury incidents. They view this as payback, some in the stupidest sense. Others, like myself hope it erases our "big match chokers" reputation, since we only have these 2 games every 4 years. This is our adversity, and we're going to try and over come it tonight. We'll be living the game through our players. I can only imagine how much pressure that will add on the guys out there to know this.

The Argentinian fans' behaviour was not on display when we played them the 1993. What high profile game IS for the faint of heart? None. The actual point is there are ways for fans to behave that intimidate the opponent without involving bodily fluids or projectiles.

Based on what you say, Fossati's complaints contradict you, since he saw nothing right in the ref's calls. I take it you were satisfied that the penalties were denied, no regrets, since it was a ref's call. Seriously, diving, or 'simulation' is not within the rules, not that it stopped players doing it, because the ref has to judge cheats from sportsmen? Your argument collapses right there, because what happens is your players took the opportunity to cheat on the chance the ref didn't catch them out. The saying: "It's only cheating if you get caught" seems to sum up what you're saying.

I don't care about Montero's record, the man's a brilliant defender, as was Baresi.

The Copa America is an illustrious and exciting competition, but a continental one. It enriches your history, but is not a barometer for a world beater. Since Recoba was making the case for playing on a world stage, and given that Australia has little chance of playing in a CA, there is no correlation between Uruguay's formidable CA record and being worthy of a place in WC06. Club competitions are irrelevant in this historical review, since it does not preclude foreign imports from participating.
The way we see it, bodies, hearts and minds all combine for the win, any less and you'll be found wanting.

No, it is not part of the game to try and get the opponent a yellow card. It is a tactic favoured by those teams you listed, but just because they do it and have succeeded makes it right, is that it? What does it say about their skill or technique? Next to nothing. What does it say about them as 'men'? Even less. I'll stick by the idea of a man as being a player whose technique and skill gets him the plaudits, without the optional extras.

Just because your football culture breeds these tricks among players from an early age does not make it universally the norm. Unfortunately for you the rules as they exist were written by Europeans and agreed to by everyone. They are meant to be adhered to by everyone. I thought skillful expression was the hallmark of Latin American football, but thanks for clarifying the depths to which some players will sink for the sake of football (Maradona, Rivaldo...)

Now the Prem is a marketing scam? Talk about a superiority complex, "I suspect bec. the majority of you kon't konw how to read a game,"- if you were trying to re-educate anyone we'd be safer learning to fail on our own.

What has Chengue being black have to do with anything? Even I acknowledged he should have had a penalty. I've also mentioned how well I've taken to reading his interviews and that he seemed a good player.

Garcia and Perez played well, in positions which are rarely lauded. Diogo, not sure where his contributions ended and Perez's began, as I was confused by the TV image of 2 shaven headed guys. Not sure he was unstoppable though, as Chipperfiled had a pretty good game himself. Rodriguez's contribution goes without saying, even our papers commende the risk he took to throw himself at the goal and risk Grella's boot in the face. Montero, as ever, was not tested in the Uruguayan box, leaving us mostly to shoot from outside.

The rest of your message will only be realised after the game, so we'll have to return to it then.

[EASports]

you definitely don't deserve to go to the world cup. You have no idea what it takes to be a champion.

thats right...so that is why uruguay are going home as the loosers and australia are going to germany !!! :ronaldo: :ronaldo:


quenonino you suck dude...your arrogance makes it hurt more. :D :D

[AusFootball]

You Aussies now hate us because of those incidents

we don't hate you, we are simply the better footballing nation :D

[aussie_aussie]

We killed off the Urugs before we took the road to Asia. It feels good!! After all that spitting, kicking our playes. Annoying our players at hotels. Starting our national anthem too early at that hole "Montevideo", fans making noises during our anthem. This wasn't no normal soccer match, this was a killing, it was time for revenge, we were ready to take you stupid maricons to hell.

Go back to that hole of a third world country and stay there. It's only fair that if U-R-Gay's act like dickheads to our team, we would equally give them the same treatment. Lucky enough, the Urugs won't be able to take revenge because we'll be at Asia and their only decent player (who Orsatti begged to his knees to return, rotten scumbag) Recoba is going to retire.
We couldn't hear their stinking anthem at the venue because we were all booing the crap out of them. Go roos!!

[davor_suker]

we don't hate you, we are simply the better footballing nation :D

*********** i trust you screamed your heart out the whole game? Where are the photos :D

The Australians actually booed throughout the whole Uruguayan anthem. I dont support that but hey its PASSION and thats a good thing!

[hardssa]

*********** i trust you screamed your heart out the whole game? Where are the photos :D

The Australians actually booed throughout the whole Uruguayan anthem. I dont support that but hey its PASSION and thats a good thing!
:D From then on in you knew it was on...

Hurry Up *********** i want some pics!

[davor_suker]

We killed off the Urugs before we took the road to Asia. It feels good!! After all that spitting, kicking our playes. Annoying our players at hotels. Starting our national anthem too early at that hole "Montevideo", fans making noises during our anthem. This wasn't no normal soccer match, this was a killing, it was time for revenge, we were ready to take you stupid maricons to hell.

Go back to that hole of a third world country and stay there. It's only fair that if U-R-Gay's act like dickheads to our team, we would equally give them the same treatment. Lucky enough, the Urugs won't be able to take revenge because we'll be at Asia and their only decent player (who Orsatti begged to his knees to return, rotten scumbag) Recoba is going to retire.
We couldn't hear their stinking anthem at the venue because we were all booing the crap out of them. Go roos!!

You obviously have no idea about football if you think Recoba is their only good player, and who said hes going to retire? I believe thats MONTERO.
Man for man Uruguay are better on the field, but we outplayed them and won. I know we won and its great but seriously man show some class and respect to the opposition.

[Wordsmyth]

Now that's a classy moderator. :)

[AusFootball]

:D From then on in you knew it was on...

Hurry Up *********** i want some pics!

I didnt take any pics but i took a video after we won on my phone. I was too drunk so I forgot. I'll try and post up the video later.

[AusFootball]

Here is the link for a video a while after we had won...

http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=G5AS8U9X

I didn't know wot was going on at the time. So don't ask any questions.

[hardssa]

HAHAHAHA. Yeah you were drunk....

Great seats by the way :silly:

[stuglue]

I saw the celebrations on Sky today wow that Aussie chick with the dark hair and tight vest on is damn hot! :faint2:

[davor_suker]

Here is the link for a video a while after we had won...

http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=G5AS8U9X

I didn't know wot was going on at the time. So don't ask any questions.


hahaha thats hilarious, all i could make out was 'BLAAAAAAAARGH URUGUAYYYYYYY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCKINNNNNN CHEEEEATERZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ BALRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH'

[SiN]

the crowd atmoshpehre was great! mayb we needed a few more chants!!! :lol:

[QuicK Silv3r]

Yeah the only one we got us U R Gay but that come on handy if we play them in a friendly LOL :D.

[Wordsmyth]

Here is the link for a video a while after we had won...

http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=G5AS8U9X

I didn't know wot was going on at the time. So don't ask any questions.
How "heavy" is the file?

[rilstix]

"NATIONAL ANTHEM"

Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil;
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in nature’s gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history’s page, let every stage
Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

....................................................................

Your turn to show how much this Anthem means to you!(in a soccer context of course)

http://ggarmy.com/files/WVULVFT02T/National%20Anthem.wav

'Nuff said.

[rilstix]

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