I hate the Islamic Republic Of Iran

[behdad]

The Iranian government is verry worse man :yell:

[Bosnian Unit]

WHY you have that picture of a good team then, team who is representing THE GREAT ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN ?

Im tired of people saying bullshit about Iran,Syria,Palestine etc..

Do something about it if you are there, if you dont like it leave :yell: !!

At least they have balls and they are not kissing american ass like many countries. And guess what they never will and you cant do nothing about it.

God Bless Iran,Iraq,Palestine,N.Korea,Syria,Cuba,Venezuela and every nation who is running country like they want to, not like how somebody else tells them.

P.S.Since you opened new thread you should give us some reasons why you hate your own country ?

[Gerasim]

WHY you have that picture of a good team then, team who is representing THE GREAT ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN ?

Im tired of people saying bullshit about Iran,Syria,Palestine etc..

Do something about it if you are there, if you dont like it leave :yell: !!


That is the most stupid comment I heard all day
and a soccer team doesn't represent a nation's governement.



At least they have balls and they are not kissing american ass like many countries. And guess what they never will and you cant do nothing about it.


God Bless Iran,Iraq,Palestine,N.Korea,Syria,Cuba,Venezuela and every nation who is running country like they want to, not like how somebody else tells them.



This however is not stupid, silly that it comes from the same person

[Bosanac]

Admins, immidiately close this thread.


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Posts about hate against the Islamic Countries is unnecessary.

[Pfeife]

Admins, immidiately close this thread.


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Posts about hate against the Islamic Countries is unnecessary.

LOL

There is a thread from a person which says that Israel should be destroyed, and this thread here should be closed because it is Iran? :rolleyes:

I think you want this thread to be closed because an IRANIAN says how much their government sucks, and that destroys your presentation of Iran as the Islamic paradise ;)

Fact is that many people who live in Iran want a change in government and that every year thousands of Iranians flee into other countries, away from torture, murder and injustice.

If you guys, bosanacc and Bosnian Unit, think that Iran is so great, why don't YOU move there? Why are you living in the USA, Australia or similar countries if you hate them so much? Why don't you ask your parents why they moved to Western countries and not to countries with Islamic governments? I'm eager to hear your explanations :)

[Bosanac]

LOL

There is a thread from a person which says that Israel should be destroyed, and this thread here should be closed because it is Iran? :rolleyes:

I think you want this thread to be closed because an IRANIAN says how much their government sucks, and that destroys your presentation of Iran as the Islamic paradise ;)

Fact is that many people who live in Iran want a change in government and that every year thousands of Iranians flee into other countries, away from torture, murder and injustice.

If you guys, bosanacc and Bosnian Unit, think that Iran is so great, why don't YOU move there? Why are you living in the USA, Australia or similar countries if you hate them so much? Why don't you ask your parents why they moved to Western countries and not to countries with Islamic governments? I'm eager to hear your explanations :)



You don't deserve an explanation, nobody deserves an explanation when it comes to RELIGION. To form an attack against a group based on religion is harassment, this is a soccer forum is it not? We're here to talk about Soccer, not religion therefore this thread should be closed. Admins?

[wolverine]

You don't deserve an explanation, nobody deserves an explanation when it comes to RELIGION. To form an attack against a group based on religion is harassment, this is a soccer forum is it not? We're here to talk about Soccer, not religion therefore this thread should be closed. Admins?
Nobody has said anything abt religion here. It's his country and he hates his govt. Thats fair and square. We who r living outside Iran might not know whats happening there. There's no harm in being critical abt ur or any govt. Hating a set of individuals is not equivalent to hating a race or a community.

[Bosanac]

The title says where the discussion is going to go

[wolverine]

The title says where the discussion is going to go
Yeah, thats kinda misleading but his hatred is for the govt.

[Bosanac]

Yeah, thats kinda misleading but his hatred is for the govt.


That's where the discussion will be taken, check his posts.

[A3eMurderer]

Having an islamic government isn't always terrible. Look at kuwait for instance, it is an extremely open islamic country, so are the emirates - both far more open than "secular" turkey. But yeah... most of my persian friends think the government in Iran is a joke...

[Bosnian Unit]

LOL

There is a thread from a person which says that Israel should be destroyed, and this thread here should be closed because it is Iran? :rolleyes:

I think you want this thread to be closed because an IRANIAN says how much their government sucks, and that destroys your presentation of Iran as the Islamic paradise ;)

Fact is that many people who live in Iran want a change in government and that every year thousands of Iranians flee into other countries, away from torture, murder and injustice.

If you guys, bosanacc and Bosnian Unit, think that Iran is so great, why don't YOU move there? Why are you living in the USA, Australia or similar countries if you hate them so much? Why don't you ask your parents why they moved to Western countries and not to countries with Islamic governments? I'm eager to hear your explanations :)

I live where i was born and i will die here. I have nothing with Iran, but i support them. Should somebody from Israel who support America go and live there or however.

YOU R JUST DUMB :boo: !!

And those people who moved before you say something like that you must know there was 2 million(out of 4 million population) in Bosnia who where refuges in their own country.Their homes are burned and destroyed and they had no choice, everybody went somwhere where they can make some money and build house here again and live better life someday.Im sure everyone will return !!And today in Bosnia we still have 30% unemployed people. So when you dont have idea whats going on shut you big ***king mouth and fack off.

[Toke-E-Yo]

Close this thread b4 it starts even more trouble.


:closed:

[RaulMadrid7]

I am Iranian too and I also hate the Islamic regime.

Every Iranian citizen hates the regime, but we love our country.

Bosnian Unit, you don't know what you are talking about so please keep your mouth shut about something you don't know.

The Islamic republic has torutred and murdred many Iranians for power and control, go wtahc the history channel and learn something before you protect terrorist government just because you think they are good.

Seriously I though you knew something before but now i understand why people get in fights with you.

[nachi88]

I live where i was born and i will die here. I have nothing with Iran, but i support them. Should somebody from Israel who support America go and live there or however.

YOU R JUST DUMB :boo: !!

And those people who moved before you say something like that you must know there was 2 million(out of 4 million population) in Bosnia who where refuges in their own country.Their homes are burned and destroyed and they had no choice, everybody went somwhere where they can make some money and build house here again and live better life someday.Im sure everyone will return !!And today in Bosnia we still have 30% unemployed people. So when you dont have idea whats going on shut you big ***king mouth and fack off.

Calm down there Bosnian Unit. Pfeife raised very valid points there. It wasnt a relegion he was targetting. Don't compare Iran's situation with Bosnia.Iran is larger country, with seperate form of Islam, and a seperate language unique to itself. Bosnia shares much of its language with Europe as much as it shares with the Islamic world. Bosnia was formed in a civil war, and is a comparatively new nation. Iran in an ancient civilisation. This isant about relegion. This is about one Iranian being dissatisfied about his government. Dont try and look everything up with the glasses of Relegion.

I also didnt get the point you made on unemployment. We have massive unemployment in Germany also. But that doesnt always mean migrations.

RaulMadrid7 has summed it up very nicely.

[behdad]

some people here don`t have enough money to buy a bread

[behdad]

Calm down there Bosnian Unit. Pfeife raised very valid points there. It wasnt a relegion he was targetting. Don't compare Iran's situation with Bosnia.Iran is larger country, with seperate form of Islam, and a seperate language unique to itself. Bosnia shares much of its language with Europe as much as it shares with the Islamic world. Bosnia was formed in a civil war, and is a comparatively new nation. Iran in an ancient civilisation. This isant about relegion. This is about one Iranian being dissatisfied about his government. Dont try and look everything up with the glasses of Relegion.

I also didnt get the point you made on unemployment. We have massive unemployment in Germany also. But that doesnt always mean migrations.

RaulMadrid7 has summed it up very nicely. well, said
:)

[Bosnian Unit]

Calm down there Bosnian Unit. Pfeife raised very valid points there. It wasnt a relegion he was targetting. Don't compare Iran's situation with Bosnia.Iran is larger country, with seperate form of Islam, and a seperate language unique to itself. Bosnia shares much of its language with Europe as much as it shares with the Islamic world. Bosnia was formed in a civil war, and is a comparatively new nation. Iran in an ancient civilisation. This isant about relegion. This is about one Iranian being dissatisfied about his government. Dont try and look everything up with the glasses of Relegion.

I also didnt get the point you made on unemployment. We have massive unemployment in Germany also. But that doesnt always mean migrations.

RaulMadrid7 has summed it up very nicely.

Come on nachi88 i didnt mention religion at all.

I was just giving a point, why some Bosnians go to western countries and how is the situation here. So does Croatians,Serbs,Albanians,Bugarians,Romanians etc..Eastern Europe is beautifull but some people just dont see future here, they cant work and live good and they have to go somwhere where they can.

I have at least 8 familly members in Stutgart,Frankfurt and Munchen.They all work but yea they also say is not that good how use to be.
And they say its about 5 million unemployment. But when you have country (Bosnia) whos population is about 3.5 million and 30% unemployed thats massive.

[Bosnian Unit]

I am Iranian too and I also hate the Islamic regime.

Every Iranian citizen hates the regime, but we love our country.

Bosnian Unit, you don't know what you are talking about so please keep your mouth shut about something you don't know.

The Islamic republic has torutred and murdred many Iranians for power and control, go wtahc the history channel and learn something before you protect terrorist government just because you think they are good.

Seriously I though you knew something before but now i understand why people get in fights with you.

Iran is great country with about 65-70 million people.People can change anything if they want to.If every citizen hate regime then that regime would be gone i no time. Dont talk about 65 million people man, thats just your opinion.You save your ass you are in Spain, not everybody think like you.

For years now im on Iranians forums, and i was talking with so many people just about anything.And they would never agree with you.They dont want ther country end up like Irak, and they all better like it this way then some Americans controling their land and telling them what to do.

They all VOTE and majority did for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad !!

Dont talk in the name of whole nation when is not like that.

[RaulMadrid7]

Iran is great country with about 65-70 million people.People can change anything if they want to.If every citizen hate regime then that regime would be gone i no time. Dont talk about 65 million people man, thats just your opinion.You save your ass you are in Spain, not everybody think like you.

For years now im on Iranians forums, and i was talking with so many people just about anything.And they would never agree with you.They dont want ther country end up like Irak, and they all better like it this way then some Americans controling their land and telling them what to do.

They all VOTE and majority did for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad !!

Dont talk in the name of whole nation when is not like that.


First of all just because I support Real Madrid, it doesn't mean I live in Spain.
I lived in Iran for 15 years before I moved.

Second of all there are a small majority of supporters of the Islamic Regime in Iran who are mostly rich or plain stupid because they don't know the truth.

Third of all most Iranians are against the Islamic regime, I know that because I live with Iranians and chat with many of them not only on the internet, there is a revolution that is growing, but the only problem is that the government and media are trying very hard to stop it by setting up executions in government basements etc...

Fourth of all I would like to ask you why you are so supportive of an Islamic Regime that you know very little about.

If you are muslim, as it says you are Bosnian, it doesn't mean you have to support every government that is muslim.

The middle east is currently stuck in a medieval like scenario where women have to cover their beauty, people cannot express them selves, free speech can lead to imprisonment and death, people are executed for reasons taken out of the quaran. Mullahs are simply controlling and doing everything they can to keep control and power.

A revolution is starting against this regime and so on, and I ask you to please understand more about this topic before you spread hate and unrealistic opinions about things.

[Panathinaikos2]

I just have to give some reputation to you raulmadrid7.

[Bosnian Unit]

First of all just because I support Real Madrid, it doesn't mean I live in Spain.
I lived in Iran for 15 years before I moved.

Second of all there are a small majority of supporters of the Islamic Regime in Iran who are mostly rich or plain stupid because they don't know the truth.

Third of all most Iranians are against the Islamic regime, I know that because I live with Iranians and chat with many of them not only on the internet, there is a revolution that is growing, but the only problem is that the government and media are trying very hard to stop it by setting up executions in government basements etc...

Fourth of all I would like to ask you why you are so supportive of an Islamic Regime that you know very little about.

If you are muslim, as it says you are Bosnian, it doesn't mean you have to support every government that is muslim.

The middle east is currently stuck in a medieval like scenario where women have to cover their beauty, people cannot express them selves, free speech can lead to imprisonment and death, people are executed for reasons taken out of the quaran. Mullahs are simply controlling and doing everything they can to keep control and power.

A revolution is starting against this regime and so on, and I ask you to please understand more about this topic before you spread hate and unrealistic opinions about things.

As i said brother many people may not like and agree with your law, but they support Iran becouse they have balls to say NO to superpowers even if that means war or sanctions.They are not kissing American ass basicly as many countrys do.

Reasons i support and i like Iran is becouse Iran helped us during a war in Bosnia more than any other country.With money,weapons and much more.
Alija Izetbegovic was many times in Iran and presidents of Iran where in Bosnia.Im suprised you dont know about Bosnian-Iran relationships becouse they are at very high level, even now after Izetbegovic death. Thats the reason i love and support Iran.

Now if everything is bad as you are saying, WHY PEOPLE DONT BOYCOTT ELECTIONS !! THAT WAY WORLD WOULD KNOW, SOMETHING IS WRONG.
But they dont, majority people vote and they are free to vote fot any candidate.AND THAT IS A FACT !!What you are talking about is same what i read in Western(mostly american) propaganda.
And when you have proof i will belive you, but talking something and saying o its like this, its like that, i dont buy that.


And last thing i want to ask you is. Do you want your country to be like Iraq, do you want Americans to grant you freedom ? I beat you if you do, you will cry and miss old days just like Iraqis are doing now.

And the fact is, so called terrorists didnt exist in Iraq before.But they do now as western propaganda is saying. And thats bullshit, becouse people are defending their home, and they are not terrorists.

You want Americans to throw Erotics and naked pictures from airplane in your country as they do in Iraq? You want Abu Gharib in Iran ? You want hudnreds of thousands dead and counting, you want Tehran to be like Baghdad ? If is not good as you are saying then its on your people to change that, but no way that i would like somebody else to change it.

[RaulMadrid7]

As i said brother many people may not like and agree with your law, but they support Iran becouse they have balls to say NO to superpowers even if that means war or sanctions.They are not kissing American ass basicly as many countrys do.

Reasons i support and i like Iran is becouse Iran helped us during a war in Bosnia more than any other country.With money,weapons and much more.
Alija Izetbegovic was many times in Iran and presidents of Iran where in Bosnia.Im suprised you dont know about Bosnian-Iran relationships becouse they are at very high level, even now after Izetbegovic death. Thats the reason i love and support Iran.

Now if everything is bad as you are saying, WHY PEOPLE DONT BOYCOTT ELECTIONS !! THAT WAY WORLD WOULD KNOW, SOMETHING IS WRONG.
But they dont, majority people vote and they are free to vote fot any candidate.AND THAT IS A FACT !!What you are talking about is same what i read in Western(mostly american) propaganda.
And when you have proof i will belive you, but talking something and saying o its like this, its like that, i dont buy that.


And last thing i want to ask you is. Do you want your country to be like Iraq, do you want Americans to grant you freedom ? I beat you if you do, you will cry and miss old days just like Iraqis are doing now.

And the fact is, so called terrorists didnt exist in Iraq before.But they do now as western propaganda is saying. And thats bullshit, becouse people are defending their home, and they are not terrorists.

You want Americans to throw Erotics and naked pictures from airplane in your country as they do in Iraq? You want Abu Gharib in Iran ? You want hudnreds of thousands dead and counting, you want Tehran to be like Baghdad ? If is not good as you are saying then its on your people to change that, but no way that i would like somebody else to change it.

What you are saying is basically, "If you change the way you are then you will pay, and want to go back to the old ways".

Well no, no Iranian with the knowledge of descent life wants everything to stay the way it is.

As I said in my last post it is hard for Iranians to start a revolution because so far many of our revolution leaders have been captured for false reasons and executed. That is why so many cowards voted for the President of Iran not only because of that but some were scared that the US would do something just like you are.

First of all you have to understand that this Islamic regime was installed BY THE USA, after Sha(the king) was brought down by the people of Iran who wnated a change but got something they never thought was so destructive.
The story is long, go learn about it and come back with something that we can argue on.

And please don't think that the USA is the only bad guy here, it is all a network of capitalism and corrupt power, and war between governments and we the people are stuck in between.

[Ravna Gora]

I have a lot of Persian friends and they say the same thing as Real Madrid7.One question to Bosnian Unit, why do u hate America so much? If it wasnt for them, Croatia and Serbia would have taken our parts of Bosnia and u would have been left with nothing. Why hate them when they saved ur ass??? I hate their government because they bombed hospitals, schools and public busses and trains as well as our infrastructure...i see no reasons for Bosnians hating Americans...

[Toke-E-Yo]

I have a lot of Persian friends and they say the same thing as Real Madrid7.One question to Bosnian Unit, why do u hate America so much? If it wasnt for them, Croatia and Serbia would have taken our parts of Bosnia and u would have been left with nothing. Why hate them when they saved ur ass??? I hate their government because they bombed hospitals, schools and public busses and trains as well as our infrastructure...i see no reasons for Bosnians hating Americans...
its because Bosnian Unit has read one to many conspiracy articles saying that jews and americans planned all this :lol:

[RaulMadrid7]

its because Bosnian Unit has read one to many conspiracy articles saying that jews and americans planned all this :lol:

he might be wrong on many things, but Jews and Americans did plan many things that lead to this.

The US gave the taliban 3 billion dollars against the soviets plus training, then they gave Osama Bin Laden 300 million seperate.

September 11th was a dream come true for the government, except it wasn't a dream.

[Bosnian Unit]

I have a lot of Persian friends and they say the same thing as Real Madrid7.One question to Bosnian Unit, why do u hate America so much? If it wasnt for them, Croatia and Serbia would have taken our parts of Bosnia and u would have been left with nothing. Why hate them when they saved ur ass??? I hate their government because they bombed hospitals, schools and public busses and trains as well as our infrastructure...i see no reasons for Bosnians hating Americans...

O thats just what i need Serbian propaganda, worse then American :boo: !!

First of all Bosnia & Herzegovina was not defited becouse of its people. More then 200.000 die so we can live in our country today.For 3 years whole world was watching Bosnians being killed and didnt do nothing about it.Plus EU & USA gave us embargo so we couldent buy any weapons. Before Bosnians sign peace agrement with Croats we was fighting Croatia and Serbia in the same time, plus those Croats and Serbs in Bosnia & Herzegovina. SO BOSNIA SURVIVED THANX TO ITS PEOPLE, you sound stupid when you say that becouse fo Americans.

How NATO and Americans where protecting us you could saw in Srebrenica worse massacre in Europe after WWII when Serbs killed 8.000 Muslims, but Srebrenica was protected by UN FORCES AND THEY ALOUD THAT TO HAPPEND.

Then Bosnians and Croats sign peace agrement and they fight together against Serbs. They was just about to enter in Banja Luka r.s. largest city and conquer it with out a fight becouse everyone left from there AMERICANS SAY, YOU HAVE TO STOP. HERE IS DAYTON AGREMENT. So dont talk bullshit you had JNA(Yugoslav National Army) and weapons and everything and you couldent defeat us at te begining when we had just local police and people defending their homes.

Radovan Karadzic(war criminal) said Sarajevo(capital city) will be in our hands in a month...But Sarajevo never surrended.Result was you killed 10.000 just children with Serbian snipers, and bombed everything but still you couldent do what you wanted.

If there was no America there would not be Serbs in Bosnia now Bosnian & Croatian Army would force them away in Serbia just like they did from Croatia.
And you are talking about shit like that.Its obvious you are brainwashed with that nonsense.

AND NEVER IN YOUR HISTORY YOU WON THE WAR. ITS SAD AND YOU GUYS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT HOW GREAT ARE YOU AND EVERYTHING.PLUS SERBIA IS GONNA LOSE KOSOVO & MONTENEGRO SOON AS END OF NEXT YEAR.AND SITUATION IN VOJVODINA IS BAD.HUNGARIANS DONT WONNA LIVE IN SERBIA..So what in the world you are talking about and still dreaming about great Serbia. Slobodan Milosevic did also and you know very well where he end up, or Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic(war criminals) who are hiding in some mountains,churces etc..across Serbia and Bosnia where Serbs live..

P.S. NOW WE HAVE ARMY, WE ARE NOT GONNA BE UNPREPERD...YOU ARE MORE THEN WELCOME TO START SOME SHIT IN BOSNIA, WE WOULD DESTROY YOU.

[RaulMadrid7]

O thats just what i need Serbian propaganda, worse then American :boo: !!

First of all Bosnia & Herzegovina was not defited becouse of its people. More then 200.000 die so we can live in our country today.For 3 years whole world was watching Bosnians being killed and didnt do nothing about it.Plus EU & USA gave us embargo so we couldent buy any weapons. Before Bosnians sign peace agrement with Croats we was fighting Croatia and Serbia in the same time, plus those Croats and Serbs in Bosnia & Herzegovina. SO BOSNIA SURVIVED THANX TO ITS PEOPLE, you sound stupid when you say that becouse fo Americans.

How NATO and Americans where protecting us you could saw in Srebrenica worse massacre in Europe after WWII when Serbs killed 8.000 Muslims, but Srebrenica was protected by UN FORCES AND THEY ALOUD THAT TO HAPPEND.

Then Bosnians and Croats sign peace agrement and they fight together against Serbs. They was just about to enter in Banja Luka r.s. largest city and conquer it with out a fight becouse everyone left from there AMERICANS SAY, YOU HAVE TO STOP. HERE IS DAYTON AGREMENT. So dont talk bullshit you had JNA(Yugoslav National Army) and weapons and everything and you couldent defeat us at te begining when we had just local police and people defending their homes.

Radovan Karadzic(war criminal) said Sarajevo(capital city) will be in our hands in a month...But Sarajevo never surrended.Result was you killed 10.000 just children with Serbian snipers, and bombed everything but still you couldent do what you wanted.

If there was no America there would not be Serbs in Bosnia now Bosnian & Croatian Army would force them away in Serbia just like they did from Croatia.
And you are talking about shit like that.Its obvious you are brainwashed with that nonsense.

AND NEVER IN YOUR HISTORY YOU WON THE WAR. ITS SAD AND YOU GUYS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT HOW GREAT ARE YOU AND EVERYTHING.PLUS SERBIA IS GONNA LOSE KOSOVO & MONTENEGRO SOON AS END OF NEXT YEAR.AND SITUATION IN VOJVODINA IS BAD.HUNGARIANS DONT WONNA LIVE IN SERBIA..So what in the world you are talking about and still dreaming about great Serbia. Slobodan Milosevic did also and you know very well where he end up, or Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic(war criminals) who are hiding in some mountains,churces etc..across Serbia and Bosnia where Serbs live..

P.S. NOW WE HAVE ARMY, WE ARE NOT GONNA BE UNPREPERD...YOU ARE MORE THEN WELCOME TO START SOME SHIT IN BOSNIA, WE WOULD DESTROY YOU.

So finally you show what you're all about.

War, violence, revenge and hate.

That's not going to solve anything.

[Bosnian Unit]

So finally you show what you're all about.

War, violence, revenge and hate.

That's not going to solve anything.

O yes it is. Thats the only way to solve a problem, all agrements and bullshit are not worht becouse history is always repeating. Serbs thru out history massacre us and belive me they will not do that again.

[nachi88]

Raul Madrid7-> You've put it wonderfully to words.


Bosnian Unit->

Irak's case is different.

Iraki's were opressed Schiite under Saddam, before USA took over. Atleast they have a say in their government now (though nominal). I dont support the invasion, but you cannot deny this. Saddam gassed his own Kurdish and Schiite population, in other words he is gulty of genocide on a small scale. So, the situation is like this. Saddam is very much an evil, who is a muslim. Now if USA ( a non muslim ) attacks Irak, Saddam doesnt suddenly become a good guy suddenly, just because of his relegion. He is still a mass murderer.

I agree with your point that Majority voted for Ahmedinejadei. But before the selections he didnt show any such traces of insanity he is showing now. But the good thing is that Iran is moving towards moderation ( or atleast was).

The balkan history is very complex. Do not just see the last 10-20 years and make conclusions. There are atleast 3 major other players-> Russia, Germany and Turkey ( Ottoman) and to a smaller extent Italy, who have shaped your history.

[Ronni]

Calm down there Bosnian Unit. Pfeife raised very valid points there. It wasnt a relegion he was targetting. Don't compare Iran's situation with Bosnia.Iran is larger country, with seperate form of Islam, and a seperate language unique to itself. Bosnia shares much of its language with Europe as much as it shares with the Islamic world. Bosnia was formed in a civil war, and is a comparatively new nation. Iran in an ancient civilisation. This isant about relegion. This is about one Iranian being dissatisfied about his government. Dont try and look everything up with the glasses of Relegion.


I agree. But to affirm "I hate the Republic ..." is still hard.
Unfortunately there are still people with such a low self-esteem about their country that they take everything to another path.



I also didnt get the point you made on unemployment. We have massive unemployment in Germany also. But that doesnt always mean migrations.

Sorry Nachi88, but I can't accept your comparison at all.
If there is massive unemployment and you don't have a social-based system supporting you, you don't have any alternative but escaping.
Germans themselves did it in the past. And they're not likely to do it in the future (although you already know from Germans crossing the boarder to look for jobs in the neighbor countries) if the situation gets worse. You will always have a significant social structure in your country.
This guy is talking about a country that came out from a horrible war - in times when there are no more Marshall Plans or "Kopfgeld" ...

[A3eMurderer]

O yes it is. Thats the only way to solve a problem, all agrements and bullshit are not worht becouse history is always repeating. Serbs thru out history massacre us and belive me they will not do that again.

dirka dirka mohammed jihad, you sound like someone from the movie team america with all your nonsense. You are blinded by religious hatred ... give it a rest.

[Bosnian Unit]

Raul Madrid7-> You've put it wonderfully to words.


Bosnian Unit->

Irak's case is different.

Iraki's were opressed Schiite under Saddam, before USA took over. Atleast they have a say in their government now (though nominal). I dont support the invasion, but you cannot deny this. Saddam gassed his own Kurdish and Schiite population, in other words he is gulty of genocide on a small scale. So, the situation is like this. Saddam is very much an evil, who is a muslim. Now if USA ( a non muslim ) attacks Irak, Saddam doesnt suddenly become a good guy suddenly, just because of his relegion. He is still a mass murderer.

I agree with your point that Majority voted for Ahmedinejadei. But before the selections he didnt show any such traces of insanity he is showing now. But the good thing is that Iran is moving towards moderation ( or atleast was).

The balkan history is very complex. Do not just see the last 10-20 years and make conclusions. There are atleast 3 major other players-> Russia, Germany and Turkey ( Ottoman) and to a smaller extent Italy, who have shaped your history.

THIS ONE IS STILL FRESH. IF YOU LIVED THRU THIS ONE YOU WOULD THINK THE SAME.

[Bosnian Unit]

dirka dirka mohammed jihad, you sound like someone from the movie team america with all your nonsense. You are blinded by religious hatred ... give it a rest.

ITS NOT RELIGIGIOUS !!
I didnt say i hate Christians, or Brazilians,or Chinese,or South Africans or who ever. I just don't like people who done something to me or my country. And thats not religious hate, thats hate becouse somebody done something to you.

[wolverine]

THIS ONE IS STILL FRESH. IF YOU LIVED THRU THIS ONE YOU WOULD THINK THE SAME.
I know its easier said than done but take it easy mate and njoy ur Eid :thumbsup:

[almouchie]

salam
i have read nearly all urs posts about the subject & have been impressed with ur knowledge about politics, geograhpy, religion, war, history .( i am not trying to be condicending)
there is so much to say & comment but i will say this
1- its the state of the world now that every criminal act is linked to religion(muslims) when our religion is all about peace. all those acts are forbidden by our religion.
2-as far as 'covering up their beauty' it is NOT governement, pressures, rules or anything its pure religious. a duty of every muslimah. just like the nuns cover up & nobody gets on their case. its freedom of religious practice
3- Iran's current situation is very delicate with all the nuclear war talk & US/allies are worried of its involvement in Iraq.Moderation is everything in this world & key to survival. President's comments were unwise to say the least.
4- Iraq is living in hell on earth. It will be remebered in history as a stigma on all the world. everybody(countries) fighting for their own benefits while the people are suffering greatly much like the Palestinain

final word How different the world would be if people of all nationalities, race, color, religion can get along & respect each other & co habitate. Agree to disagree without using violence everytime

hope i didnt offend any1

[RaulMadrid7]

Religion is a form of comfort against the depressing but natural truth of death.

Religion should not be able to tell a human being what to do, especially the muslim religion.

My ancestors were probably one of the first group of people and most religous in the world, Persians, but I have learned alot from that and have concluded many things such as religion is ultimately the reason and excuse for many of the conflicts in the world right now.

[MADRIDCF8]

i sorta agree with bosnian unit. im iranian and i hate the government but not EVERY1 in iran does. Raul madrid 7 if u realyl no alot bout iran than u would no that. When we had the revolution against shah every1 was against shah 99% of the population but there are many mullahs and even religous people like the government. I jus went to iran and most people thier are fine with government and blame there situation on the poorness on the country. They dont see a problem with the country.
But on another point Raulmadrid7 u r right about the u s and israel. the u s are the ones that ruined irans chances to have a democracy when they supported iraq to have the iran/iraq war depleting iran of resources and money. Look at it how the polictics are now. When people have major demonstrations, the u s applouds the people, then the iranian government accuse the people of supporting the u s which no1 does. soon the demonstrations stop. yes many iranians dont like the government but that doesnt meen they can jus have a revolution. heck many ppll dont like bush. its not easy to have a revolution more than 90% of the population needs to hate the governent and risk thier lives to destroy the government like hamas. that doesnt mean support killing. but people will die when there are revolutions and people in iran dont want to risk thier lives. plus right now every1 in power with money and the army all are in agreement with the regim.
my point is that yes many and most people dont like the regime but look at where all the people who fought the shah and who started the revolution. they are all escaped in many countries. The only people now that are strong enough and will fight for iran are the mujahaden and the u s dont support them, they say they are terriosts. so really does the us hate iran, if they wanted to help the people then they could support the mujaheden. the u s wants iran to be another iraq or afgahnistan.

PS dont get me wrong i hate the regime to but not every1 does.

[Ravna Gora]

Bosnian Unit u make no sense. If we killed so many of u, why did we not take u over??? It is impossible that we killed '200 000' Bosnians and u know it. Dont say Serbs didnt get killed my own family was affected. LOL @ entering Banja Luka u should b a comedian :lol: anyway i dont want to argue about this shit now but if u call Dr. Radovan Karadzic and Gen. Ratko Mladic war criminals then Alija Izetbegovic is a war criminal to me. All this time of arguing has led me to one conclusion and that is that a Serb cannot tell a Bosnian what to think of the war and that a Bosnian cannot tell a Serb what to think of it. We both fought, BOTH OUR PPL WERE KILLED (8000 Serbs in Sarajevo only) everybody was a victim not just you and your ppl. The media had to take a side and they took one, so ur lucky they took yours. Now shut up and talk about Iran this is not a place for this, i just wanted to see why u hate the ppl that made ur country (US). Any way to lighten this up a bit here is a list of funny swear words my Persian friends taught me (they are not directed at any of u):
1. Koss Kesh
2. Koss Khol
3. Kir am to dahanet
4. Chini Kirresh koochikerr
5. Kiram to kosse nanat
I know more i cant b bothered to write them down and plz correct my spelling lol

[Bosnian Unit]

Bosnian Unit u make no sense. If we killed so many of u, why did we not take u over??? It is impossible that we killed '200 000' Bosnians and u know it. Dont say Serbs didnt get killed my own family was affected. LOL @ entering Banja Luka u should b a comedian :lol: anyway i dont want to argue about this shit now but if u call Dr. Radovan Karadzic and Gen. Ratko Mladic war criminals then Alija Izetbegovic is a war criminal to me. All this time of arguing has led me to one conclusion and that is that a Serb cannot tell a Bosnian what to think of the war and that a Bosnian cannot tell a Serb what to think of it. We both fought, BOTH OUR PPL WERE KILLED (8000 Serbs in Sarajevo only) everybody was a victim not just you and your ppl. The media had to take a side and they took one, so ur lucky they took yours. Now shut up and talk about Iran this is not a place for this, i just wanted to see why u hate the ppl that made ur country (US). Any way to lighten this up a bit here is a list of funny swear words my Persian friends taught me (they are not directed at any of u):
1. Koss Kesh
2. Koss Khol
3. Kir am to dahanet
4. Chini Kirresh koochikerr
5. Kiram to kosse nanat
I know more i cant b bothered to write them down and plz correct my spelling lol


Here your comedia goes.........


The Tide of War Turns
by Branka Magas

As US-brokered peace talks continue in Dayton, Ohio, it is ironical that it should be supposedly 'pro-Bosnian' Americans who seem to be intent on providing Slobodan Milosevic with a lifelife. Having lost, in the middle of this year, practically all its projected Croatian territories, Serbia saw the ceasefire of 12 October arrive just in time to prevent the complete collapse of its Bosnian holdings: fresh from capturing 7,000 sq km of its western bulk, the Bosnian and Croatian armies were closing in on Banja Luka, the real capital and only significant city of 'Republika Srpska' ('RS'), when the order came to halt.

With Croatian forces advancing from Mrkonjic Grad and the Army of Bosnia-Herzegovina's 5th Corps from Sanski Most, Banja Luka was about to be encircled and turned into an enclave.

The fall of Jajce a few weeks before had deprived it of electricity and reduced public broadcasting to a minimum. News of the rapid loss of a whole string of towns - Bosansko Grahovo, Bosanski Petrovac, Glamoc, Drvar, Jajce, Sipovo, Mrkonjic Grad, Kljuc, Sanski Most, Bosanska Krupa - was thus brought in directly by the tens of thousands of refugees, and by the demoralised soldiers of Gen. Mladic's army who accompanied them in their flight. As artillery fire drew closer and rumours of an imminent attack started to circulate, Banja Luka began to succumb to panic.

The Belgrade weekly, Vreme reports Karadzic's deputy Nikola Koljevic ringing up Milosevic to tell him that, unless the offensive was stopped within hours, there would be a complete collapse of RS

. Unless SerbiÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌTa intervened at once there would be an uncontrolled exodus of around 200,000 civilians and soldiers into the Posavina 'Corridor' leading to its own frontier. However, it was not Belgrade in the event that sent its cavalry to the rescue, but the United States itself, which put all-out pressure on Sarajevo and Zagreb to halt their troops. Nevertheless, if the ceasefire amounted to a last-minute deliverance, this can only be temporary. For the tide of war had turned decisively against 'RS' and the Greater Serbia project.

Not so long ago, Serbia held 28% of Croatia and 70% of Bosnia-Herzegovina. Its confidence, based on overwhelming military superiority, was so infectious that the international community hurried to propitiate it. The Security Council sent UN troops to guard its possessions in Croatia, re-naming them UNPA Sectors East, West, North and South; in tandem with the European Union, it then drafted successive proposals for the partition of Bosnia-Herzegovina, adjusting them to keep step with Serbia's growing conquests, euphemistically described as "realities on the ground'. An assortment of pundists, who between them knew less of the area than could fill a postage stamp, talked and wrote admiringly of Serb military prowess, insisting that the record of this warrior race in World War II, when it single-handedly engaged at least 12 (or was it 60?) crack German divisions, meant that NATO would be foolish to intervene.

But then came May 1995 and 'Operation Flash': within a couple of days, UNPA Sector West reverted to what it always had been - the western end of the Croatian province of Slavonia. A few months later, Croatian forces mounted a new offensive - codename 'Operation Storm' - and in less than five days wiped much of the 'Republika Srpska Krajina" ('RSK') (or UNPA zones North and South) off the map, liberating 11,000 sq km of the country's territory. What had up to then appeared as the solidly entrenched westernmost region of Greater Serbia suddenly dissolved into a river of fleeing soldiers and civilians.

There is no doubt, however, that the decisive blow against Greater Serbia was delivered by the Bosnian Army's 5th Corps at Bihac, under its commander Gen. Atif Dudakovic. Described by many as the best infantry fighting today in Bosnia, the soldiers of the 5th Corps had survived three and a half years under conditions of complete encirclement, during which they succeeded not only in crushing Fikret Abdic's rebellion but also in defeating three Serbian offensives. Thanks to their exceptional commander and his doctrine of 'active defence', the 5th Corps was able to maintain at all times a high degree of mobility. The conviction that 'unless we finish Dudakovic now, we shall have him next spring on the Drina' was widespread among Serbian officers.

By a truly superhuman effort, the 5th Corps managed on the eve of Operation Storm to halt 35,000 soldiers from 'RS' and 'RSK', supported by four mechanised battalions and one hundred heavy artillery pieces, and prevent them from entering Bihac. The attacking forces, commanded by Gen. Ratko Mladic of 'RS' and by Gen. Mile Mrksic, specially seconded to 'RSK' for the purpose by Belgrade, had as their task the total destruction of the 5th Corps. The start of Operation Storm, however, forced Mrksic to concentrate on what turned out to be an evacuation of army and civilians alike from Croatia. As soon as the Croatian offensive began, Dudakovic moved too and in a strong counter-attack crossed into (occupied) Croatian territory. After destroying parts of two 'Krajina' corps and capturing large quantities of heavy weaponry and ammunition, Dudakovic's forces joined Croatia's at Trzacka Rastela on the river Korana. The siege of the 'safe area' of Bihac was over for good.

The operation which was to culminate in the open threat to Banja Luka started, on the Bosnian side, on 9th September, when Dudakovic launched a large scale offensive intended to destroy the main citadel of 'RS' in western and northwestern Bosnia. He acted ÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌTin coordination with Croatian forces operating in Bosnia-Herzegovina under the terms of the July 1995 Split Agreement between presidents Tudjman and Izetbegovic, and with Operational Group South, formed by the Bosnian General Staff in the spring of 1994 out of the Travnik 7th Corps commanded by Gen. Mehmed Alagic and parts of the Zenica 3rd Corps. As the 5th Corps moved along the River Una and Croatian units pushed towards Jajce, Gen. Alagic managed to break through the heavily fortified 'RS' lines at Donji Vakuf and from there push northwards towards Banja Luka.

In parallel to these operations in the west, the Bosnian army has scored significant gains also on the strategically important Ozren range in the north-east, which lies within the zone of responsibility of the 2nd and 3rd Corps. By capturing Vozuca at the southernmost tip of Ozren, the journey time between Zenica and Tuzla has been halved. Ozren's importance comes from its proximity to Doboj, northern Bosnia's most vital communication centre: whoever controls Doboj controls also the 'Corridor'. The Bosnian Army's military pressure against Doboj has tied down the 'RS' 1st Corps, preventing it from maintaining defensive positions around Banja Luka during the Bosnian-Croatian offensive in the west. As the frontline has moved towards Doboj, the town has been filling up with refugees, and fear among its population has been growing. That the time is now ripe to cut the 'Corridor' is a widely accepted view among military experts in the area. When this happens, the war will move to the very borders of Serbia. As Dudakovic and Alagic have been telling journalists these days: 'Our goal remains the River Drina'.

The secret of the great transformation on the Bosnian battlefield has lain not in NATO air strikes, but in the Bosnian-Croatian military alliance. In contrast to the high morale and growing military power of the Bosnian-Croatian military armies, the forces of 'RS' are in a stage of terminal decline. Since the fall of the 'Krajina' in Croatia, their morale has plummeted. War weariness among Bosnian Serbs is such that mass desertion has become quite common. Indeed, Mladic's problems with recruitment has obliged Serbia to send Arkan and his 'Tigers' into Bosnia, in order to force men of military age to the front by terror. Given that many of the towns and villages taken in recent Bosnian and Croatian operations were before the war majority-Serb, soldiers originating from them have been leaving their posts to search for their families. As a rule, once civilians begin to flee so too do the local units.

Croatian and Bosnian military successes have forced Serbia to redefine its war aims. Belgrade and Podgorica sources agree that the Serbian General Staff considers the entire area west of the town of Brcko as indefensible, so that the most Serbia can now hope for is to hold onto territory east of the Osijek-Bijeljina-Tuzla-Zvornik-Sarajevo-Dubrovnik line. This is the view also held by Croatian military analysts. In the latest issue of War Report, General Karl Gorinsek writes about Belgrade's desire to colonize with Serbs the depopulated areas of eastern Bosnia, so ruthlessly 'cleansed' of their overwhelmingly Muslim population first in the blitzkrieg of 1992 and most recently after the fall of the 'safe areas' of Srebrenica and Zepa. This idea was what lay behind General Mrksic's role in organising the mass exodus of Serbs from 'Krajina', at the time of 'Operation Storm'. These Serbs, as well as those leaving western and central Bosnia, would be moved to create an ethnically compact and militarily defensible Serb territory, which would then be given to Serbia in any eventual peace plan. To judge by the contents of the 'Agreed Basic Principles' proposed by US negotiator Richard Holbrooke as a basis for the negotiations in Ohio, the United States seems to be moving in precisely this direction.

Whether Serbia will succeed after all in creating at least a reduced Greater Serbia at Bosnia's expense depends, however, not just upon BoÌÌÌÌÌÌÌÌTsnia's own resistance but also to a large extent on Croatia's intentions. Despite the good cooperation between the two armies in recent offensives, there has also been considerable friction among them, as each has raced to capture towns ahead of the other. The entry of Croatian forces into Jajce, for example, has prevented the strategically important linking up of the 5th and 7th Corps. Croatia and Bosnia, however, form a compact geographical mass: with Croatia wrapped around Bosnia and Bosnia forming Croatia's 'soft belly', the interests of the two countries run so much in parallel that it will be difficult for Zagreb to trade with Bosnia's territory without decisively weakening Croatia's own long-term security. Generals Spegelj and Tus, Croatia's most authoritative military strategists, have repeatedly stated in public that any extension of Serbian power beyond the Drina will provide a permanent threat to the security of both Croatia's Adriatic coast and its eastern Slavonian province. Bosnia can function as Croatia's front-line defence against Serbia's expansionism, however, only if its population - Serb and non-Serb alike - returns home. Current attempts by Zagreb to Croatize parts of western Bosnia will fail, since Croatia does not have enough population to fill the demographic void even in the former 'Krajina', let alone beyond its frontiers. For this reason, the stability of Bosnia - which means its territorial integrity and sovereignty - is likely to prevail over annexationist ambitions as Croatia's overriding concern, however reluctant the Croatian leadership may still appear to grasp this essential truth. This is why the American peace plan, like all the earlier peace plans premised on Bosnia's partition, is unrealistic and bound to fail. The Bosnian Army has tasted victory and it will be difficult to stop it from inflicting the final defeat on an increasingly weak 'Greater Serbia'. There is no doubting either the Army's high morale or the population's determination to prevent their country's partition. One indicator of this was the recent unanimous rejection of any partition of Bosnia-Herzegovina by the local Croat assembly in the strategically important town of Orasje in the 'Corridor'. Orasje will be the bridgehead for Croatian forces when the crucial order to close the Corridor comes.

Bosnian generals Dudakovic and Alagic have these days been repeatedly telling journalists, eager to hear their views on the ceasefire and the forthcoming negotiations, that the liberation of the whole country remains their goal. 'Our goal is to link the three B's: Bihac, Banja Luka and Bijeljina. The war for us soldiers cannot be said to be over until we can secure the return of our people to their homes, and for this we must establish the Bosnian state's authority over its whole territory'. 'My soldiers will never accept that a thousand-year-old country like Bosnia-Herzegovina be broken up and divided, not even into two entities.' 'We do not recognise the Serb Republic. We recognise only the Serb people who consider Bosnia to be their state'. 'The strong and powerful Army of Bosnia-Herzegovina is the centre around which all the patriotic and democratic forces gather. Croats, Serbs and even Bosnian Czechs are fighting today in the Army and its 5th Corps: here lies the answer on the impossibility of partitioning our country'.

This article appeared in New Statesman and Society on 10 November 1995.

[Ronni]

Here your comedia goes.........
...

I understand it's hard to see one own's folk being killed, raped, losing their homes etc. But still we should remember that the people who do such things are CRIMINALS. And we can never say another folk is criminal. This other folks has some criminals in it, who turn out to get some power and to be able to make such things happen. But all folks have criminals, your does and mine too.

There's too much hatred in the world - and this is the cause of so much misery - just because we always need to find someone who is responsible for the past, and this one must be someone we see. So we create phantasy histories about other people, what they may think, feel or so on.

One thing I must always have on my mind:
There is no folk in the earth wanting to burn my home, rape my sister and steal my posessions.
There is no folk in the earth wanting to wipe me out of the map.
There are stupid individuals who want it. And they don't represent a folk, nor a nation.

SERBS are not criminals and they don't want to destroy nor to posess nor to do anything to anyone of us. Neither do turks, neither do americans, neither do iranians, neither do germans, neither do israelis, neither do palestinians. NOBODY.

These folks are all constituted by honest people, who want to go everyday to work, get their wages, put bread on the table for their families, have their children going to school and live in peace. In every folk however there are criminals. And we shouldn't take their acts for the acts of the whole folk.

In the same way, there's no folk that is victim of anything, because there's no folk the international community or whoever doesn't like.
There's no folk persecuted by the rest of the world at all. In this way, no folk has the right for justifying anything because "everybody is against them".
And this means nobody in this world is against serbs, muslims, jews, turks, or whatever in general.

If there is one folk that deserve piety in this moment in the world, because the whole world seems to have something against them, it's the AMERICANS.
They're also only honest people, that want to go everyday to work, get their wages, and put bread on the table for their families, have their children going to school and live in peace.
I admit, I myself don't talk about them with that much admiration, but they're not the representation of any evil. They're people like you and me.

FOR ALL OF YOU: PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT ANY PEOPLE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING, OR THAT YOUR PEOPLE IS PERSECUTED.

IT'S COMPLETE NONSENSE AND THE ONLY THING IT DOES IS TO CREATE MORE PROBLEMS. AND MORE INJUSTICE.

Take care of your own life, and if you were a victim of injustice, try just to forgive, because if you try to compensate somehow what you suffered, even if only with your words, you're causing nothing more than more injustice.

No matter what is your religion: christian, muslim, jewish, buddhist, hinduist, no one of them accepts hate or criminality. Even if you don't have any religion, you must believe in ethics, and hate and criminality is not the way.
AND EVERYONE TRYING TO PROPAGATE HATE AGAINST ANYONE THROUGH POSTINGS IN THE INTERNET OR ANYWHERE IS ACTING AGAINST HIS OWN RELIGION, AND AGAINST ANY OTHER RELIGION.

PLEASE STOP! I CAN'T HAVE IT ANY MORE !!!!!

[ferdiaslan88]

ITS NOT RELIGIGIOUS !!
I didnt say i hate Christians, or Brazilians,or Chinese,or South Africans or who ever. I just don't like people who done something to me or my country. And thats not religious hate, thats hate becouse somebody done something to you.

you DONT hate the chinese!?

***kin crazy bastard

[Bosnian Unit]

you DONT hate the chinese!?

***kin crazy bastard

No i don't hate nobady who didnt do anything to me or my country.

Who is bastard now me or Chinese :D !!

[PALESTINO]

i totally understand how bosnian unit feels.you might all look at it and say oh this is blind religious hatred but trust me its not...

[Panathinaikos2]

Religion is a form of comfort against the depressing but natural truth of death.

Religion should not be able to tell a human being what to do, especially the muslim religion.

My ancestors were probably one of the first group of people and most religous in the world, Persians, but I have learned alot from that and have concluded many things such as religion is ultimately the reason and excuse for many of the conflicts in the world right now.Ok but you don't need to go blaming religion on all this. It's the people that take advantage of it starts many conflicts and deaths.

[Bosanac]

wow, this topic is still active and im not suprised..

[Panathinaikos2]

Well you sound surprized :rolleyes:

[Bosanac]

Well you sound surprized :rolleyes:


this forum can really trick you can't it?


:lol:

[behdad]

wow, this topic is still active and im not suprised..
i like this thread

[Da Fire!]

Hey Bosnian Unit, why don't you start walking back toward reality and common decency. You're "newspaper" quote loses all credibility when you take it from the New Statesman, a Marxist ideological paper.

American soldiers risked their lives in the Balkans, for your people. What about this do you not understand? Oh wait, thats right its all part of the master plan devised by the Jews, to take over the world. There is a problem amongst some Moslems to blame everything on the West, believe it or not, every problem in the Muslim world isn't a direct result of the Americans, Western Europeans, or Jews. Just a couple of hundred of years ago, the Muslim world was at the forefront of every world industry, science, math, architecture. This great religion accomplished great things, not by becoming violently angry at others, but through the education of its people. Something I think they may be missing after reading Bosnian Unit and Palestino. What a shame.

[Hercegovac]

Hey Bosnian Unit, why don't you start walking back toward reality and common decency. You're "newspaper" quote loses all credibility when you take it from the New Statesman, a Marxist ideological paper.

American soldiers risked their lives in the Balkans, for your people. What about this do you not understand? Oh wait, thats right its all part of the master plan devised by the Jews, to take over the world. There is a problem amongst some Moslems to blame everything on the West, believe it or not, every problem in the Muslim world isn't a direct result of the Americans, Western Europeans, or Jews. Just a couple of hundred of years ago, the Muslim world was at the forefront of every world industry, science, math, architecture. This great religion accomplished great things, not by becoming violently angry at others, but through the education of its people. Something I think they may be missing after reading Bosnian Unit and Palestino. What a shame.

Yeah i agree and after such help from Croats, they blame alot of ppl but them selfs...

Btw good post :thumbsup:

[Ronni]

This great religion accomplished great things, not by becoming violently angry at others, but through the education of its people. Something I think they may be missing after reading Bosnian Unit and Palestino. What a shame.
what I can't understand is that although moslem leaders contest any kind of self-victim praising, there are still many moslems at different levels who insist on order words in this direction, knowing everything they do is to spoil the image of their religion, that has absolutely nothing to do with their nonsense.
In my opinion most muslems simply do not deserve the religion they have. They're the ones who really violate its name.

There are also bad christians, bad jews, like bad moslems. The problem is that bad moslems insist on using the name of their religion for their stupid behavior.
Ok, Mr.Bush does the same. And he's not moslem. So they're not the only ones.

[LD in DC]

Its all got to do with interpretion. Some of those leaders see things differently then others. Theres christianity but theres may different beliefs going on it. The same holds true for islam. It's not so much the religon in itself thats causing the problems, its the radicals that take it in a different form them what it was meant to be taken as. From what i've read i think the whole religon argument should be left out because it is a tricky subject and unless you know the religon there is no point in saying anything to try to contradict it. This is just my opinion

[LD in DC]

And by the way, Bush is a dumbass, but you shouldnt condem an entire nation because of one dumbasses choices
blame it on the republicans

[Bosnian Unit]

Hey Bosnian Unit, why don't you start walking back toward reality and common decency. You're "newspaper" quote loses all credibility when you take it from the New Statesman, a Marxist ideological paper.

American soldiers risked their lives in the Balkans, for your people. What about this do you not understand? Oh wait, thats right its all part of the master plan devised by the Jews, to take over the world. There is a problem amongst some Moslems to blame everything on the West, believe it or not, every problem in the Muslim world isn't a direct result of the Americans, Western Europeans, or Jews. Just a couple of hundred of years ago, the Muslim world was at the forefront of every world industry, science, math, architecture. This great religion accomplished great things, not by becoming violently angry at others, but through the education of its people. Something I think they may be missing after reading Bosnian Unit and Palestino. What a shame.

I really hate to talk about this, when nobady want to understand what i mean. And what most of you are saying is not true but you think it is.

Now you gonna say Americans soldiers are risking their lives for Iraqi freedom :lol: . That the same thing what you said about Bosnia, and saving us.

But can you tell me why USA/EU gave us EMBARGO so we cant buy weapons, and we had no army just local police and people who where defending their homes.

For 3 full years whole world was watching how Serbs are killing anybody who is not one of them in Bosnia.Yea they send some food etc.. but damn why EMBARGO, we needed weapons to save our lives and homes.Just when Clinton come in power then USA did help Bosnia but during (old) Bushs administration NOTHING.It was them who said we cant buy weapons.

And when Bosnia and Croatia signed peace agrement, both armys where fighting together against Serbs in Bosnia. And when we with Croatian help where ready to destroy so called ''republika srpska'' AMERICANS SAID STOP, HERE IS DAYTON AGREMENT. THERE WILL BE NO MORE WAR !! And that was bullshit, when we could force all Serbs from Bosnia americans said STOP but when they where killing us, and destroying this country nobady give a shit.

And if you didnt know USA helped Croatia in (Storm)Oluja 1995 operation and they force out of Croatia more then 500.000 Serbs.

So i dont really saw Americans helping us. OK i would forgive embargo ***k it, but when we could have clean Bosnia & Herzegovina today of people who wanted to destroy it Americans didnt aloud that.

So thats why we still today have 1 million Serbs in our country who dont see Bosnia as their country.They are still dreaming about ''great Serbia'' and Belgrade as its capital.THANX TO USA !!


P.S.The reason Americans helped Croats like that was Vatican, of course they are Chatolics and they needed to clean their country of evil Serbs.

The reason they(USA/EU) didnt aloud that in Bosnia & Herzegovina was, USA/EU didnt want Muslim country in heart of Europe.If we had Serbs out, Bosniaks(Muslims) would make 84 % of Bosnian population.

And today is:
Bosniaks(Muslims): *40% -(or **49% as Bosnians claim)
Serbs: *31%-(or **34% as Serbs claim)
Roman Catolics (Croats): *15%-(or **10% as Croats claim)

* Those numbers are from 1992 and they are correct.
** Since 2004.


AND IM DONE HERE, ON THIS TOPIC. I WILL NOT AGREE ON WHAT MOST OF YOU ARE SAYING BECOUSE YOU JUST DONT KNOW THE REAL SITUATION.YOU ARE SAYING WHAT YOU READ IN NEWSPAPERS OR HEARD ON TV, BUT I LIVED THRU IT AND I SAW IT.

[RonaldoD08]

That is the most stupid comment I heard all day
and a soccer team doesn't represent a nation's governement.



This however is not stupid, silly that it comes from the same person

Both statements are dumb, but your bias makes you think one of them is not dumb....:D

Yeah, I know, Iran, N. Korea, Cuba and all those countries are great countries cause they run their country the way they want. Or maybe we should say the way their leader wants, but nobody asked what the people wants. That does not count anyway does it? You guys don't live there. You live in the states so who gives the shit what those guys are going through. You got Internet, you got Cars, you got your FIFA 2006. It does not matter if those Iranian, N Korean, Cuban kids can't afford the same shit as long as you have it. Good job kiddo. Keep it that way...

The states are still bad even though you are getting the best out of them...talking about hypocrisy....

BTW guys you are all too young to know anything about either religion so don't worry to get into that stuff. Also don't get offended by what some 10 year old kids say about anything. It's not that they thought long about it. They just repeat what they read on the internet and that's why their parents should use cyber babysiters to keep their kids from reading all kind of bullshit.

As a last thing, Mariel and Valdanito MUST close this thread ASAP cause I know you guys are around. These guys cannot handle advanced topics of this kind. Way too young...:lol:

[Bosnian Unit]

Hey Bosnian Unit, why don't you start walking back toward reality and common decency. You're "newspaper" quote loses all credibility when you take it from the New Statesman, a Marxist ideological paper.

American soldiers risked their lives in the Balkans, for your people. What about this do you not understand? Oh wait, thats right its all part of the master plan devised by the Jews, to take over the world. There is a problem amongst some Moslems to blame everything on the West, believe it or not, every problem in the Muslim world isn't a direct result of the Americans, Western Europeans, or Jews. Just a couple of hundred of years ago, the Muslim world was at the forefront of every world industry, science, math, architecture. This great religion accomplished great things, not by becoming violently angry at others, but through the education of its people. Something I think they may be missing after reading Bosnian Unit and Palestino. What a shame.

And im educated more then you will ever be or half of your population, who dont even know in what part of the world they are living. They just know they live in greatest power or earth :lol: .The United States of America a freedom land.Yea not for long, watch out for China :D !!

EVEN YOUR DUMP PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH DONT KNOW DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SLOVENIA AND SLOVAKIA. What else i need to say !?

CNN controle mind of almost all Americans, who really dont have time to find out the real truth, what they see on TV for few minutes thats enough for them to belive in it :boo: .

And of course you belive there is about 2.000 American soldiers killed in Iraq, right ? I mean thats what CNN says, but they are hideing the number.
How 10.000 + sounds ? In USA you just know what they government/media want you to know. Nobady cares about guys from getto, or some Mexicans who went in war for their citizenship.They just lett you know about the ones that they cant really hide. And everybody saw how is your army well trained,professional, sick, and evil from what they did in Abu Gharib.

And yea they went there to win ''hearts and minds'' and free Iraqis from dictatorship :lol: .

ADIOS :Peace:

[RonaldoD08]

And im educated more then you will ever be or half of your population, who dont even know in what part of the world they are living.

Well you don't show it. The smartest thing one can say is that they don't know anything. You claim to know a lot so I guess that shows how smart you are...:D


[
EVEN YOUR DUMP PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH DONT KNOW DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SLOVENIA AND SLOVAKIA. What else i need to say !?


Who said Bush actually needs to know the difference....:lol:


[
In USA you just know what they government/media want you to know.

If there is any media worth taking into consideration that's the US media. I just wonder where you get your info from...:D

[Da Fire!]

[QUOTE=Bosnian Unit]And im educated more then you will ever be or half of your population, who dont even know in what part of the world they are living. They just know they live in greatest power or earth :lol: .The United States of America a freedom land.Yea not for long, watch out for China :D !!

EVEN YOUR DUMP PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH DONT KNOW DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SLOVENIA AND SLOVAKIA. What else i need to say !?


[B]And of course you belive there is about 2.000 American soldiers killed in Iraq, right ? I mean thats what CNN says, but they are hideing the number.
How 10.000 + sounds ?


Yeah, Americans really are stupid, I mean it is only the home of the HIGHEST EDUCATED POPULACE on earth. But I guess my Big Ten degree cannot match the institutions of higher learning in Southeastern Europe. No wait, thats right, the United States is home to the greatest university system in the world.

Americans might not know geography as well as they should, but what you forget BosniaUnit is that Bosnia is smaller than about 46 of the 50 states. The United States of America is comparable in size and population to all of Europe, can the average Belgian point out the difference between New Hampshire and Vermont? Nope, I didn't think so. Why would you expect the average American to be able to differentiate between Slovenia and Slovakia?


As to your idea of 10,000 dead Americans, the list of all 2000 dead has been printed, don't you think that even a "poor Mexican family" would notice that their son wasn't on the list and that the Jew controlled evil CNN would pick up on it? You cannot be serious, at least for the sake of the Bosnian people, I hope you aren't.


As an American I am not always proud of what we have done, but name me a more benevolent superpower in the history of the world. And if you would prefer it be China, examine their treatment of her own citizens. Or its historical treatment of other smaller Asian countries. Here is a little interesting bit of trivia if you really think that China is ready to push over the USA. What are the worlds 3 biggest Air Forces???? 1. USAF 2. US Navy 3. US Army.

Do you want any more silly myths debunked BosniaUnit? If you do I am more than willing to straighten you out again.

Sincerely,
Your Republican friend
:usa:

[almouchie]

what never seems to amaze me is how 'different' & various people thoughts/opinions are about any particular subject. How the same issues mean/imply totally different things

the art of persuasion & reason is tough to master
it doesnt look like anyone will prove a point or shed more insightful light on the matter.
so get on with it ( no need to trash any1)
agree to disagree

I just wish u would change the thread title
its bad PR

[kadirbaba]

bush is not a dumb. he is a evil-minded killer. if iranians continue to think like that iran will be another toy of their plans. first irak. then syria. and the next step is iran. be clever man. dont play into bush's hand. if you dont like it, dont cry. teach everyone beside you. ;)

[Bosnian Unit]

[QUOTE=Bosnian Unit]And im educated more then you will ever be or half of your population, who dont even know in what part of the world they are living. They just know they live in greatest power or earth :lol: .The United States of America a freedom land.Yea not for long, watch out for China :D !!

EVEN YOUR DUMP PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH DONT KNOW DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SLOVENIA AND SLOVAKIA. What else i need to say !?


[B]And of course you belive there is about 2.000 American soldiers killed in Iraq, right ? I mean thats what CNN says, but they are hideing the number.
How 10.000 + sounds ?


Yeah, Americans really are stupid, I mean it is only the home of the HIGHEST EDUCATED POPULACE on earth. But I guess my Big Ten degree cannot match the institutions of higher learning in Southeastern Europe. No wait, thats right, the United States is home to the greatest university system in the world.

Americans might not know geography as well as they should, but what you forget BosniaUnit is that Bosnia is smaller than about 46 of the 50 states. The United States of America is comparable in size and population to all of Europe, can the average Belgian point out the difference between New Hampshire and Vermont? Nope, I didn't think so. Why would you expect the average American to be able to differentiate between Slovenia and Slovakia?


As to your idea of 10,000 dead Americans, the list of all 2000 dead has been printed, don't you think that even a "poor Mexican family" would notice that their son wasn't on the list and that the Jew controlled evil CNN would pick up on it? You cannot be serious, at least for the sake of the Bosnian people, I hope you aren't.


As an American I am not always proud of what we have done, but name me a more benevolent superpower in the history of the world. And if you would prefer it be China, examine their treatment of her own citizens. Or its historical treatment of other smaller Asian countries. Here is a little interesting bit of trivia if you really think that China is ready to push over the USA. What are the worlds 3 biggest Air Forces???? 1. USAF 2. US Navy 3. US Army.

Do you want any more silly myths debunked BosniaUnit? If you do I am more than willing to straighten you out again.

Sincerely,
Your Republican friend
:usa:

Doesent matter if USA is bigger then Bosnia or whatever. You still have dumest people on earth, if nobady knows what im talking about there is a show Jerry Springer for example :lol: !! And China would defeat USA in no time. You dont even have balls to attack N.Korea who have been bigger threat then any other country such as Iraq,Iran or Syria. You country is controled by Jews, and those Middle Eastern countrys are not threat to USA in anyway, but they are threat to ISRAEL. Thats why Americans mothers are crying.But they are also dumb and they belive what media tells them.Of course Jews controled media wont tell them, your sons are dieing becouse of ISRAEL.

YEA YOU HAVE EVERYTHING BEST BUT YOU DONT HAVE MIND AND BALLS.
Thats why you have no chance against China in future or even Russia & India.

And for your information American Universitys are full of students from another countrys.

[wolverine]

Here is a little interesting bit of trivia if you really think that China is ready to push over the USA. What are the worlds 3 biggest Air Forces???? 1. USAF 2. US Navy 3. US Army.

First and foremost the US Navy and the US Army are not airforces.
U r right abt the US Navy, its the largest in the world. But u've made some typical mistakes.
-The world's largest army is the People's Liberation army of China.
-The world's largest airforce if u go by no of combat aircraft is Russia and by no of personnel is China.

[Da Fire!]

First and foremost the US Navy and the US Army are not airforces.
U r right abt the US Navy, its the largest in the world. But u've made some typical mistakes.
-The world's largest army is the People's Liberation army of China.
-The world's largest airforce if u go by no of combat aircraft is Russia and by no of personnel is China.

Hey thanks wolverine, that was the point of the question it was supposed to lead you down the road you answered and then come back with my fact. I know that the US Army is not an airforce, but its spending on aeronautical equipment outstrips Russia or China.

BosniaUnit, while Jerry Springer might be trash (filmed right in my hometown) it is not just watched by Americans. It is syndicated all over the world. People like it because it is an escape from reality and pretty damn funny. Clearly the Americans have no balls, I mean just look at their long history of winning foreign wars for other people. Enough with the Jew stuff, they make up 2% of our population, they don't control anything but the deli industry.

"An analysis by the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities shows that although foreign students accounted for 3.4 percent of total enrollment in colleges and universities in 2000, they paid an estimated 7.9 percent of tuition and fees American universities received that year."
This according to the NewYork Times, but I don't know if i would believe it, I mean it is probably run by Jews.
:lol:

Now seriously BosniaUnit, is there anything else you need corrected? :laugh:

[Bosnian Unit]

First and foremost the US Navy and the US Army are not airforces.
U r right abt the US Navy, its the largest in the world. But u've made some typical mistakes.
-The world's largest army is the People's Liberation army of China.
-The world's largest airforce if u go by no of combat aircraft is Russia and by no of personnel is China.

Thats what im talking about. China had civilization 5.000 years before USA and China will be there 5.000 years after USA.

If needed China can have more soldiers then US whole population for example. And how US military is strong we can see in Iraq. Yea US can destroy it from air (so can Chinese) but to took over country you have to fight on ground.And US cant win war in Iraq against people with RPG's and AK'47's.So there is no way US can beat China, no possible way.Not just China i think N.Korea would even kick their ass badly.

FAREST USA COULD GO AND THEIR TOP WAS DURING CLINTON'S ADMINISTRATION. WITH BUSH USA STARTED GOING DOWN, AND IN 10 YEARS THERE IS NO WAY USA WILL BE WHAT IS EVEN TODAY.

Thats why i think WWIII will happend, becouse Americans would not stand China being stronger then them.And our world will be really ***ked up, becouse they will propably use nuclear weapons etc..

War in Iran or Taiwan's independence (wich USA support) can mean WWIII.

And that will be end of US as superpower, future belongs to China and that is more than obvious.

[A3eMurderer]

Hey thanks wolverine, that was the point of the question it was supposed to lead you down the road you answered and then come back with my fact. I know that the US Army is not an airforce, but its spending on aeronautical equipment outstrips Russia or China.

BosniaUnit, while Jerry Springer might be trash (filmed right in my hometown) it is not just watched by Americans. It is syndicated all over the world. People like it because it is an escape from reality and pretty damn funny. Clearly the Americans have no balls, I mean just look at their long history of winning foreign wars for other people. Enough with the Jew stuff, they make up 2% of our population, they don't control anything but the deli industry.

"An analysis by the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities shows that although foreign students accounted for 3.4 percent of total enrollment in colleges and universities in 2000, they paid an estimated 7.9 percent of tuition and fees American universities received that year."
This according to the NewYork Times, but I don't know if i would believe it, I mean it is probably run by Jews.
:lol:

Now seriously BosniaUnit, is there anything else you need corrected? :laugh:

People LOVE jerry springer all over the world. When I was kid I used to watch it constantly until outgrew it I guess... Here's the deal about foreign universities though... In europe, for instance, it's a lot harder to get into the university of your choice that specializes in your particular major of interest. Thus, most students are either forced to subsitute their initial desires or seek to fulfill them abroad. The US is the primary choice for those with funds so... why the hell not come here? In general, the US is not really recognized abroad as a country with citizens of high intelligence, and the average 8th grade intelligence of the population contributes to this inferior portrayal.... Anyway... who cares, who has the highest GDP in the world, and which country is primarily responsible for the majority of human advances in every field?

And Bosnian_Unit, don't kid yourself about the US being intimidated by China, S.Korea etc.... Use google maps and take a look over the nevada desert - there are more nuclear silos than bosnia has population... All military leaders across the globe love the US, WHY? because all major military weapons and advancements are created here, and they can't wait to stop by to purchase and test them out.

Your Rebuplican friend.

[Bosnian Unit]

Hey thanks wolverine, that was the point of the question it was supposed to lead you down the road you answered and then come back with my fact. I know that the US Army is not an airforce, but its spending on aeronautical equipment outstrips Russia or China.

BosniaUnit, while Jerry Springer might be trash (filmed right in my hometown) it is not just watched by Americans. It is syndicated all over the world. People like it because it is an escape from reality and pretty damn funny. Clearly the Americans have no balls, I mean just look at their long history of winning foreign wars for other people. Enough with the Jew stuff, they make up 2% of our population, they don't control anything but the deli industry.

"An analysis by the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities shows that although foreign students accounted for 3.4 percent of total enrollment in colleges and universities in 2000, they paid an estimated 7.9 percent of tuition and fees American universities received that year."
This according to the NewYork Times, but I don't know if i would believe it, I mean it is probably run by Jews.
:lol:

Now seriously BosniaUnit, is there anything else you need corrected? :laugh:


Donald Rumsfeld,Henry Kissinger,Medaline Allbright, Lou Doubs (CNN),Aaron Brown (CNN),Joe Liberman,George Soros,Richard Charles Holbrooke etc...


Ariel Sharon:
"We control America"
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.


The following is a list (which doesn't include lower staff levels) of Jews in the present Clinton adminstration:
(1/4/1998)
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Madeleine Albright
Secretary of State
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Robert Rubin
Secretary of Treasury
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William Cohen
Secretary of Defense
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Dan Glickman
Secretary of Agriculture
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George Tenet
CIA Chief
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Samuel Berger
Head National Security Council
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Evelyn Lieberman
Deputy Chief of Staff
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Stuart Eizenstat
Under Secretary of State

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Charlene Barshefsky
U.S. Trade Representative
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Susan Thomases
Aide to First Lady
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Joel Klein
Assistant Attorney General
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Gene Sperling
National Economic Council
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Ira Magaziner
National Health Care
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Peter Tarnoff
Deputy Secretary of State
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Alice Rivlin
Ecomomic Advisory
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Janet Yellen
Chairwoman, National Economic Council
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Rahm Emanuel
Policy Advisor
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Doug Sosnik
Counsel to President
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Jim Steinberg
Deputy to National Security Chief
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Jay Footlik
Special Liason to the Jewish Community
(no other group has a special liason)
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Robert Nash
Personal Chief
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Jane Sherburne
President's Lawyer
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Mark Penn
Asia Expert to NEC
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Sandy Kristoff
Health Care Chief
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Robert Boorstin
Communications Aide
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Keith Boykin
Communications Aide
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Jeff Eller
Special Assistant to Clinton
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Tom Epstein
Health Care Adviser
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Judith Feder
National Security Council
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Richard Feinberg
Assistant Secretary Veterans
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Hershel Gober
Food and Drug Administration
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Steve Kessler
White House Counsel
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Ron Klein
Assistant Secretary Education
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Madeleine Kunin
Communications Aide
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David Kusnet
Dept. AIDS Program
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Margaret Hamburg
Dir. Press Conferences
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Many Grunwald
Liason to Jewish Leaders
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Karen Adler
Dir. State Dept. Policy
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Samuel Lewis
National Security Council
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Stanley Ross
National Security Council
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Dan Schifter
Director Peace Corps.
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Eli Segal
Deputy Chief of Staff
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Alan Greenspan
Chairman of Federal Reserve Bank
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Robert Weiner
Drug Policy Coordinator
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Jack Lew
Deputy Director Management and Budget

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James P. Rubin
Under Secretary of State
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David Lipton
Under Secretary of The Treasury
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Lanny P. Breuer
Special Counsel to The President
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Richard Holbrooke
Special Representative to NATO
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Kenneth Apfel
Chief of Social Security
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Joel Klein
Deputy Whlte Honse Counsel

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Sidney Blumenthal
Speclal Advisor to Pirst Lady
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David Kessler
Chief of Food & Drug Adininistration
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Seth Waxman
Acting Solicitor General
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Mark Penn
Presidential Pollster
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Dennis Ross
Special Middle East Representative
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Howard Shapiro
- General Counsel for the FBI
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Lanny Davis
White House Special Counsel
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Sally Katzen
Secretary of Management and Budget
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Kathleen Koch
Heads FBI Equal Opportunity Office
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John Podesta
Deputy Chief of Staff
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Alan Blinder
Vice Chairman of Federal Reserve
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Janet Yellen
Heads Council of Economlc Advisors
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Ron Klain
Chief of Staff for Al Gore


RICHARD BERNSTEIN jew Western Publishing. childrens books


STUART BLOOMBERG jew ABC Head of Entertainment Division.


PETER CHERNIN jew 20th Century Fox. dec. 1992 new CEO


MARTIN S. DAVIS jew Paramount Comm. CEO


BARRY DILLER jew 20th Century Fox. CEO


MICHAEL D. EISNER jew WALT DISNEY Co.


STEVEN FRIEDMAN jew NBC Executive Producer Nightly News. Hired may 1990 under G.E. (gentile) owned NBC.


LEONARD HARRY GOLDENSON jew ABC (Capital Cities ABC TV) (upto 1985. Thomas Murphy now CEO but with same Jewish management)


KATHERINE MEYER GRAHAM jew Newsweek, Washington Post. Daughter of Eugene Meyer.


PETER GUBER jew Columbia Pictures. 1989. Bought by SONY, Guber replaced Kaufman as CEO.


PETER KALIKOW jew New York Post. Real estate devloper.


PETER R. KANN jew Dow Jones, Wall St Journal, Barrons


VICTOR A. KAUFMAN jew Columbia Pictures. CEO


CHARLES KOPPELMAN jew EMI Records CEO


GARY HERSH jew Capitol Records CEO


GERALD LEVIN jew TIME/WARNER Comm. CO-CEO
.

ROBERT MAXWELL aka Ludvik Hoch jew. Daily News.


RONNESSEN jew MBS. Mutual Broadcasting SYS.


SAMUEL NEWHOUSE russian jew Random House, Advanced Publications, Newhouse Broadcasting, (CTV), New Yorker Vogue, Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, HQ, Bride's, Gentleman's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden. Newspapers & mags.


MICHAEL OVITZ jew Media magnate.


WILLIAM S. PALEY russian jew CBS CEO & founder of CBS. 1927. 1983 Partially retired.


SUMNER M. REDSTONE jew Viacom MTV Nickelodeon QVC. CEO.


STEVEN J. ROSS jew TIME/WARNER Comm. CEO.


JEFF SAGANSKY russian jew CBS Head Entertainment Division.


DAVID SARNOFF russian jew RCA NBC head entertainment div.


ROBERT SARNOFF russian jew RCA NBC CEO (son of D. Sarnoff). RCA and NBC were bought by G.E. in 1986 but Jewish management still exists.


MICHAEL P. SCHULHOF jew SONY. Vice chairman.


RICHARD SNYDER jew Simon & Schuster.


LEONARD STERN jew VILLAGE VOICE. HARTZ pets supply.


ROBERT STRAUSS jew Large investor, President Bush's Moscow ambassador.


ARTHUR OCHS SULZBERGER jew New York Times, family circle. McCall's, M. Frankel, J. Lelyveld, J. Rosenthal - all Jews.


BRANDON TARTIKOFF russian jew Paramount pictures. Chairman.


LAWRENCE A. TISCH russian jew CBS CEO TV, theaters, hotels, insurance. (Before him was 1928 William S. Paley son of russian jews. Retired 1983.)


LEW WASSERMAN jew MCA Inc. CEO. 1991. Bought by SONY. but Wasserman still is CEO.


MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN jew US News and World Report, DAILY NEWS. New ceo.


Jews in the Bush Administration

Paul Dundes Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary, Department of Defense


Richard Perle - Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy.


Ari Fleischer - White House Press Secretary


Josh Bolten - Deputy Chief of Staff


Ken Melman - White House Political Director


Jay Lefkowitz - Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council


David Frum - Speechwriter


Brad Blakeman - White House Director of Scheduling


Dov Zakheim - Undersecretary of Defense (Controller)


I. Lewis Libby - Chief of Staff to the Vice President


Adam Goldman - White House Liaison to the Jewish Community


Chris Gersten - Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS


Elliott Abrams - Director of the National Security Council's Office for Democracy, Human Rights ( !!! ) and International Operations


Mark D. Weinberg - Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs


Douglas Feith - Under Secretary of Defense for Policy


Michael Chertoff - Head of the Justice Department's criminal division


Daniel Kurtzer - Ambassador to Israel ( !!! )



Cliff Sobel - Ambassador to the Netherlands


Stuart Bernstein - Ambassador to Denmark


Nancy Brinker - Ambassador to Hungary


Frank Lavin - Ambassador to Singapore


Ron Weiser - Ambassador to Slovakia


Mel Sembler - Ambassador to Italy


Martin Silverstein - Ambassador to Uruguay



Assistant Secretary of Defense: Paul Wolfowitz, Undersecretary of Defense under former President Bush, former ambassador to Indonesia, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a member of the Aspen Institute’s Strategy Group, reportedly attended the 2000 Bilderberg meeting in Belgium, and was a member of the Trilateral Commission as of 2000.

White House Press Secretary: Ari Fleischer, former 2000 Bush campaign spokesman, and previously was communications director for Elizabeth Dole's 2000 campaign. He was also the Presidential Transition Spokesperson 2000-2001.

Deputy Chief of Staff: Joshua B. Bolten, policy director for the 2000 Bush campaign.

Chief Counsel: Jay Lefkowitz, former law partner of Kenneth W. Starr.

Deputy Assistant to the President for Appointments and Scheduling: Brad Blakeman, who spent two years as Lead Advance Representative for Bush/Cheney 2000 and also worked in the same capacity for the Bush/Quayle campaigns in 1988 & 1992. From 1980-1993, he was a consultant to the offices of the President and Vice President of the United States.

Undersecretary of Defense & Comptroller: Dov S. Zakheim, CEO of System Planning Corporation International and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

Chief of Staff for the Vice President: I. Lewis Libby, former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense, and a former lawyer for Mark Rich, whom Clinton pardoned. Libby is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs: Mark D. Weinberg, the Director of issues Management for The McGraw-Hill Companies and was Manager for Marketing Communications and Special Events for the U.S. Postal Service 1994-1999. He served as Director of Public Affairs in the Office of Former President Bush 1989-1991 and as Special Assistant to the President and Assistant Press Secretary for President Reagan 1981-1989.

Under Secretary of Defense for Policy: Douglas Jay Feith, formerly with Feith and Zell, P.C., in Washington, D.C. He served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Negotiations Policy, 1984-1986 and was Special Counsel to Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Peale 1982-1984. Feith is a graduate of Harvard College and Georgetown University Law Center and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)

Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division: Michael Chertoff, a Partner with Latham and Watkins in Newark, NJ. He was the U.S. Attorney for New Jersey 1990-1994 and is a graduate of Harvard University and Harvard Law School. He also advised Sen. Alfonse M. D'Amato (R-NY) during the Whitewater.

http://www.radioislam.org/bush/jewishpower.htm

There is much more but i dont have time for that.If you are interested do some research.They dont have to be majority to controle and run you country.They are in most important places in you country.In administrations,Hollywood,Disney,US Congress,media...etc..


And for the end...

George Washington
( in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.):
"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."
George Washington

[Bosnian Unit]

People LOVE jerry springer all over the world. When I was kid I used to watch it constantly until outgrew it I guess... Here's the deal about foreign universities though... In europe, for instance, it's a lot harder to get into the university of your choice that specializes in your particular major of interest. Thus, most students are either forced to subsitute their initial desires or seek to fulfill them abroad. The US is the primary choice for those with funds so... why the hell not come here? In general, the US is not really recognized abroad as a country with citizens of high intelligence, and the average 8th grade intelligence of the population contributes to this inferior portrayal.... Anyway... who cares, who has the highest GDP in the world, and which country is primarily responsible for the majority of human advances in every field?

And Bosnian_Unit, don't kid yourself about the US being intimidated by China, S.Korea etc.... Use google maps and take a look over the nevada desert - there are more nuclear silos than bosnia has population... All military leaders across the globe love the US, WHY? because all major military weapons and advancements are created here, and they can't wait to stop by to purchase and test them out.

Your Rebuplican friend.

Oh yea we all love US. You know why ? Becouse you are best, you have freedom, you have opportunitys,you have freedom of spech(but nobady is listening to you-Elections 2000 for example),you have everything.

Plus all military leaders love US and they all are buying your weapons.For example Chinese,N.Koreans,Iranians,Russians,South Americans,Europeans i mean everbody.

Son get a life 80% stuff in your country is MADE IN CHINA/JAPAN :lol: !!

I dont really know why im even waisting my time on this bullshit.

P.S. And dont forget who ever hates USA is becouse of your FREEDOM and AMERICAN DREAM, with job, nice house and pick up truck :lol: :boo: !!

Your Jihadist from Europe :lol: :lol:

Thats not true, but of course you see me like that.Like Bush said it either you are with us or aginst us, right :D !!

Damn :rolleyes:

[A3eMurderer]

Oh yea we all love US. You know why ? Becouse you are best, you have freedom, you have opportunitys,you have freedom of spech(but nobady is listening to you-Elections 2000 for example),you have everything.

Plus all military leaders love US and they all are buying your weapons.For example Chinese,N.Koreans,Iranians,Russians,South Americans,Europeans i mean everbody.

Son get a life 80% stuff in your country is MADE IN CHINA/JAPAN :lol: !!

I dont really know why im even waisting my time on this bullshit.

P.S. And dont forget who ever hates USA is becouse of your FREEDOM and AMERICAN DREAM, with job, nice house and pick up truck :lol: :boo: !!

Your Jihadist from Europe :lol: :lol:

Thats not true, but of course you see me like that.Like Bush said it either you are with us or aginst us, right :D !!

Damn :rolleyes:

Made in China/Japan?
Japan? Do you have any idea regarding the cost of labor in japan? my god, in China... maybe cheap labor, but I doubt it.
How many countries have F-16's , Patriot missiles etc etc? look it up. I'm referring to the military superiority and weapons created by the USA. Whether you like it or not... Not too many countries can come close to it.

Now, as for the jewish influence over the United States, I have no argument against it.

I remember when sharon mentioned this:
Ariel Sharon:
"We control America"
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

A week later, everyone forgot about it... I'm not going to go any further into these issues though...

[Da Fire!]

P.S. And dont forget who ever hates USA is becouse of your FREEDOM and AMERICAN DREAM, with job, nice house and pick up truck

So many people hate the American Dream in fact, that they are dying to get here. Quite literally, they are dying to get here, whether it is Mexicans dying in the desert or Cubans drowning they pay testament to the fact that this is one of the greatest places on earth. When you say HATE, do you mean JEALOUS? What is wrong with an immigrant wanting to own a car and a house? And Freedom is quite a special thing, unlike in the Muslim Middle East where they chop off your hands, or in China where they control the media, here in the United States we are the most free people on Earth.

For you own sake, just stop BosniaUnit, you are just making yourself look childish and foolish. Till next time Borat.

[Ronni]

Thats what im talking about. China had civilization 5.000 years before USA and China will be there 5.000 years after USA.

If needed China can have more soldiers then US whole population for example. And how US military is strong we can see in Iraq. Yea US can destroy it from air (so can Chinese) but to took over country you have to fight on ground.And US cant win war in Iraq against people with RPG's and AK'47's.So there is no way US can beat China, no possible way.Not just China i think N.Korea would even kick their ass badly.

FAREST USA COULD GO AND THEIR TOP WAS DURING CLINTON'S ADMINISTRATION. WITH BUSH USA STARTED GOING DOWN, AND IN 10 YEARS THERE IS NO WAY USA WILL BE WHAT IS EVEN TODAY.

Thats why i think WWIII will happend, becouse Americans would not stand China being stronger then them.And our world will be really ***ked up, becouse they will propably use nuclear weapons etc..

War in Iran or Taiwan's independence (wich USA support) can mean WWIII.

And that will be end of US as superpower, future belongs to China and that is more than obvious.
I liked your list with jews in the american administration. Very impressive.

But when you come with these war affirmations like this above, I agree it really sounds very childish. Like "my dad is stronger than your dad".

Try to ignore the US and Israel. They're already there for a while, and they'll be there still for a long time. If you don't like them, just ignore them. If you go on creating or believing in rumours and conspiracy affairs, it won't help you at all.
And if you go on spreading these things through the internet, you aren't achieving more than having people thinking you're childish or other childish people being unhappy like yourself. Is this what you want?

And no matter how anyone of us like or dislike the US, we'd better hope that their economy doesn't collapse and that China never destroys them, otherwise the whole world will be in trouble. If you think only americans won't be able to have their pick up trucks you're wrong. All of us also thousand miles away will have problems - if we survive it!

If lives of people who don't have anything with your problem don't interest you, at least think on your own. Your future won't be easier if the catastrophies you seem to praise happen. It's even more likely you and me won't have any future at all.

[Bosnian Unit]

P.S. And dont forget who ever hates USA is becouse of your FREEDOM and AMERICAN DREAM, with job, nice house and pick up truck

So many people hate the American Dream in fact, that they are dying to get here. Quite literally, they are dying to get here, whether it is Mexicans dying in the desert or Cubans drowning they pay testament to the fact that this is one of the greatest places on earth. When you say HATE, do you mean JEALOUS? What is wrong with an immigrant wanting to own a car and a house? And Freedom is quite a special thing, unlike in the Muslim Middle East where they chop off your hands, or in China where they control the media, here in the United States we are the most free people on Earth.

For you own sake, just stop BosniaUnit, you are just making yourself look childish and foolish. Till next time Borat.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: O my God, o my God !!

If any media is controled is American media, and everything in your country is controled by Jews. I gave you facts dont be BLIND !!

Yea Cubans,Mexicans,South American are dying to get in USA. That is a fact, but you didnt say why ? Its becouse USA and its political interest from Mexico to Argentina. Except Cuba and Venezuela.Castro and Chavez are trying really hard to make things work just in front of the door or your superpower.Chavez helped poor in Venezuela and is still doing that and by 20 years there will be no poor in Venezuela, but for example he is evil for Americans just becouse he dont want to do things your way, where rich is geting richer and poor is geting poorer !! Thats why there is people dying to get there and do something with their future, at least they can work for $6 or $7 per hour.

Yea right freedom in USA !!

People in your country are like robots.They work almost 24/7, they drink coffe and eat in the car becouse they cant do it at home, they dont want to be late.They are depresed but they cant do nothing about it becouse only thing in their head they hear is FREEDOM :D !! I mean they cant change that system, the just have to do it or they will end up on streets like those millions of homeless'es across USA.And they are struggeling to pay off their credit whole their life, whole life man. And talking about freedom, lets see how black people are free, and how they feel ? How about those in Little Rock :sad: , how about regular black people (not including NBA stars etc :) ..)? How about black communitys ?

You know whats freedom, when you build your own house from bricks, not like they build them in USA from wood :) .And when you wake up in the morning you drink coffe, then you go to carsija ;) , and there is so many people. You go to some bar , drink beer or whatever, read newspapers, talk to your friends, and discussing the next football (in your case soccer) game that your team is gonna play.Then after 3-4 hours you go home and rest a little bad, until time comes to go out :D .You just work 2-3 days in a week. You dont need much money to live good here, and thats freedom my friend.
You dont pay for house,for most of food, for garbage, for water. You just buy once that sattelite thing for 600 KM(thats our money) its meybe like $400 and you have every popular cahannel from Australia to USA. I wonder how much that would be in USA. You pay for 100 + channels $60-70 every month for example, but we buy that just once and you dont pay nothng no more.You just have time for everything you know, and i think thats freedom.You know Bosnians are people who spend more time watching TV then any other Europeans. Yea meybe we have nothing better to do :lol: , but we dont need more then 500 KM (like $250) a month to live good.
Yea of course there is also poor people here, but we dont have more then 10 millions in jail or 10+ millions homeless'es like USA does.And people would help you here not like they would kill you if they saw you have $100 !!

Bosnia, Croatia and Europe in general is freedom.But you are born there you dont know you just know your way of life, and you think thats freedom.But like i said you are like robots. ONLY RICH LIVE GOOD there thats it.

P.S. And after all those facts etc.. you start talking how Cubans and Mexicans are entering your country. Why did you ignore everything ? I really dont see a point discussing things no more with you. Either you are dumb or you just wonna be dumb, and dont want to understand. But dont worry about anything you are FREE :lol: , you have San Antonio Spurs champions of the WORLD :rolleyes: ... Like nobady play basketball in Europe or rest of the world :boo: !!

Good Bye

[Bosnian Unit]

I liked your list with jews in the american administration. Very impressive.

But when you come with these war affirmations like this above, I agree it really sounds very childish. Like "my dad is stronger than your dad".

Try to ignore the US and Israel. They're already there for a while, and they'll be there still for a long time. If you don't like them, just ignore them. If you go on creating or believing in rumours and conspiracy affairs, it won't help you at all.
And if you go on spreading these things through the internet, you aren't achieving more than having people thinking you're childish or other childish people being unhappy like yourself. Is this what you want?

And no matter how anyone of us like or dislike the US, we'd better hope that their economy doesn't collapse and that China never destroys them, otherwise the whole world will be in trouble. If you think only americans won't be able to have their pick up trucks you're wrong. All of us also thousand miles away will have problems - if we survive it!

If lives of people who don't have anything with your problem don't interest you, at least think on your own. Your future won't be easier if the catastrophies you seem to praise happen. It's even more likely you and me won't have any future at all.

Brother i wish whole world is living in peace, and there is no nuclear weapons or wars or anything like that. But its not like that and what i said is 99% true and things like that are most likely to happend and you know it. After all Americans are ones who build them first and who use them first. And you know Americans will not be able to see China growing like that so fast, they will do something about it and that will be catastrophe.

Im very happy person :) and im not a child, things that i post are true and most people dont know them, or dont care about it, or dont belive in it. Most Americans think like i dont give a shit about Palestinians,Africans or whoever we have good life,cars,jobs,playstation 2 :sad: , and everything. But i do care about other people, and i dont like when somebody think its better then somebody else. I know i cant do nothing about it, but at list i can talk about it and discuss it with the ones who are interested, or even those who are not. I was on Americans forums before war in Iraq happend and everyone was like letts kick some Iraqi ass, letts bomb them. But those Iraqis didnt do anything to them. Thats just like fun for them and i hate that, their life is not more important then Iraqis lifes or anyone elses life.

[LD in DC]

Bosnian Unit

First off, i'll give it to you that youve done your research, yet you still contradict your self in your arguments. First off, your statement.

Except Cuba and Venezuela.Castro and Chavez are trying really hard to make things work just in front of the door or your superpower.Chavez helped poor in Venezuela and is still doing that and by 20 years there will be no poor in Venezuela, but for example he is evil for Americans just becouse he dont want to do things your way, where rich is geting richer and poor is geting poorer !! Thats why there is people dying to get there and do something with their future, at least they can work for $6 or $7 per hour.

What the hell is Castro doing to help out his people... i dont know, maybe because im blinded by the American jewish media, or possibly the mexican jewish media, because i also get my news from there. Castro hasnt dont sh** to help out any people in cuba but himself. What has castro done to help his people. the only person i can think of that tried to do alot for cuba in recent history would be Che Gevarra*, yet didtn Castro pretty much exile him to get to power. yeah, okay. thats it for that subject, moving on.

your statement about hating Jewish media and so and so.. why did you pay for a satalite and then watch U.S. shows if you dont even believe them.

You just buy once that sattelite thing for 600 KM(thats our money) its meybe like $400 and you have every popular cahannel from Australia to USA. I wonder how much that would be in USA. You pay for 100 + channels $60-70 every month for example, but we buy that just once and you dont pay nothng no more.You just have time for everything you know, and i think thats freedom

you offer some information yet you caught off part of it by not explaining it or completely ignoring it, then you go and say soemthign that goes against something youve said earlier.

Thats my 2 cents into this convo.

[Da Fire!]

I'm sure Bosnia is a great place to live, I mean you can really do a lot on 400 dollars a month. The Health Care, Education, and Civil Services must be terrific.
But this isn't fair to turn this argument into bad mouthing Bosnia Herzegovnia, I'm sure the majority of people there are decent sensible people. Its just that you, BosniaUnit, are an out of touch with reality, Douchebag. If I was Bosnian I would be embarassed to have such a foolish little child representing my country. So full of hate and lies, you should really learn to enjoy life a little.

[Bosnian Unit]

Bosnian Unit

First off, i'll give it to you that youve done your research, yet you still contradict your self in your arguments. First off, your statement.

Except Cuba and Venezuela.Castro and Chavez are trying really hard to make things work just in front of the door or your superpower.Chavez helped poor in Venezuela and is still doing that and by 20 years there will be no poor in Venezuela, but for example he is evil for Americans just becouse he dont want to do things your way, where rich is geting richer and poor is geting poorer !! Thats why there is people dying to get there and do something with their future, at least they can work for $6 or $7 per hour.

What the hell is Castro doing to help out his people... i dont know, maybe because im blinded by the American jewish media, or possibly the mexican jewish media, because i also get my news from there. Castro hasnt dont sh** to help out any people in cuba but himself. What has castro done to help his people. the only person i can think of that tried to do alot for cuba in recent history would be Che Gevarra*, yet didtn Castro pretty much exile him to get to power. yeah, okay. thats it for that subject, moving on.

your statement about hating Jewish media and so and so.. why did you pay for a satalite and then watch U.S. shows if you dont even believe them.

You just buy once that sattelite thing for 600 KM(thats our money) its meybe like $400 and you have every popular cahannel from Australia to USA. I wonder how much that would be in USA. You pay for 100 + channels $60-70 every month for example, but we buy that just once and you dont pay nothng no more.You just have time for everything you know, and i think thats freedom

you offer some information yet you caught off part of it by not explaining it or completely ignoring it, then you go and say soemthign that goes against something youve said earlier.

Thats my 2 cents into this convo.

Im just saying you buy that satalite for 600 KM and you are not paying anything else for that.You have every popular channel or show from Australia to USA. Im not saying im watching jews or american media, but i could for example.

Anyway my point was how much that thing would cost in USA.I have cousin there and he really like to watch football in Europe but he is not able to. He said he is paying 60-70 dollars a month for some 100 US channels.Most of them crap and reality shows or animal planet etc..I mean they just rip you off in USA.And if you had this thing there it would be $500 a month becouse you have 1.000+ channels from all over the world.And you couldent buy that for example $3.000 in USA letts say, becouse they want you to pay every month. And 80% of US population will die and will not pay their credit debt. Just like USA is printing dollars, but not really earning them.

From CIA FACTBOOK
USA
Current account balance:
$-646.5 billion (2004 est.)

[A3eMurderer]

I'm sure Bosnia is a great place to live, I mean you can really do a lot on 400 dollars a month. The Health Care, Education, and Civil Services must be terrific.
But this isn't fair to turn this argument into bad mouthing Bosnia Herzegovnia, I'm sure the majority of people there are decent sensible people. Its just that you, BosniaUnit, are an out of touch with reality, Douchebag. If I was Bosnian I would be embarassed to have such a foolish little child representing my country. So full of hate and lies, you should really learn to enjoy life a little.

I have to jump in here for a sec - some of the documented evidence he presented is fact. However, his hated does get him carried away a bit.
But Bosnian_Unit, this a stupid topic to discuss, but since you brought it up:
Whats this crap about satellite dishes? who says we have to pay $60-$70 a month, we pay that for PREMIUM channels, not FTA satellite channels. And btw, we do have Nagravision2 decryption algorithms here too you know... so those with the knowledge of where to get these recievers obviously don't pay 60-70 a month. And either way, you're in eatern Europe, you can't even see the satellites in australia or around the globe as you suggest, you would have to connect to the british ASTRA satellite which means you need a 3m diameter dish which I'm sure costs a hell of a lot more that 600 (whatever you currency is).

[A3eMurderer]

Im just saying you buy that satalite for 600 KM and you are not paying anything else for that.You have every popular channel or show from Australia to USA. Im not saying im watching jews or american media, but i could for example.

Anyway my point was how much that thing would cost in USA.I have cousin there and he really like to watch football in Europe but he is not able to. He said he is paying 60-70 dollars a month for some 100 US channels.Most of them crap and reality shows or animal planet etc..I mean they just rip you off in USA.And if you had this thing there it would be $500 a month becouse you have 1.000+ channels from all over the world.And you couldent buy that for example $3.000 in USA letts say, becouse they want you to pay every month. And 80% of US population will die and will not pay their credit debt. Just like USA is printing dollars, but not really earning them.

From CIA FACTBOOK
USA
Current account balance:
$-646.5 billion (2004 est.)

As I said above, you're getting FTA (FreeToAir channels), anyone with a satellite dish can get those channels, but they are crap. You don't get a 100 movies channels, with no commercials and the option of watching the movie at any point in time, at the push of a button, via on demand, free of charge. Plus you need a huge dish to get any channels of quality, and the knowledge of decrypting the codes too.

[Bosnian Unit]

I'm sure Bosnia is a great place to live, I mean you can really do a lot on 400 dollars a month. The Health Care, Education, and Civil Services must be terrific.
But this isn't fair to turn this argument into bad mouthing Bosnia Herzegovnia, I'm sure the majority of people there are decent sensible people. Its just that you, BosniaUnit, are an out of touch with reality, Douchebag. If I was Bosnian I would be embarassed to have such a foolish little child representing my country. So full of hate and lies, you should really learn to enjoy life a little.

Yea health care is better, our doctor will do same as yours for 200 KM($ 100) , what your would do for $5.000.
Education is better, you have to know everything in your mind, not use caculators and read answers from book like they do in USA.Thats why they are dumb people.

And about civil rights we have them just like you, and pretty much we dont have some stupid laws on smoking or drugs or whatever.

U JUST HAVE NO IDEA :boo: !!

[A3eMurderer]

Yea health care is better, our doctor will do same as yours for 200 KM($ 100) , what your would do for $5.000.
Education is better, you have to know everything in your mind, not use caculators and read answers from book like they do in USA.Thats why they are dumb people.

And about civil rights we have them just like you, and pretty much we dont have some stupid laws on smoking or drugs or whatever.

U JUST HAVE NO IDEA :boo: !!

I've never heard Bosnia ever been praised for their medical fascilities or medical achievements. In the USA, health care is extremely expensive, and I'm you can come up with the reasons why. However, If you have insurance it doesn't cost anything significant at all.

[Da Fire!]

Yea health care is better, our doctor will do same as yours for 200 KM($ 100) , what your would do for $5.000.
Education is better, you have to know everything in your mind, not use caculators and read answers from book like they do in USA.Thats why they are dumb people.

And about civil rights we have them just like you, and pretty much we dont have some stupid laws on smoking or drugs or whatever.

U JUST HAVE NO IDEA :boo: !!


Wow, its such a great place, why isn't everybody hopping over each other to get there. I am such a fool for living in an industrialized country, I should sell all of my things, buy a donkey or whatever they ride around Bosnia, and move there. HAHAHAHA

Your infant mortality rate is 3 and a half time what the United States is.
US 6.5/1000
BH 21.5/1000
They must really have great health care, but I hear that their veterinary care of donkeys is second to none.

Do you want a couple more gems from the CIA factbook?
"A sizeable current account deficit and high unemployment rate (44%) remain the two most serious economic problems. The country receives substantial amounts of reconstruction assistance and humanitarian aid from the international community"
So like the Americans, they are running a deficit, but unlike the Americans, they are begging for international handouts to fix it.

Per capita GDP $6500, (that gets you a lot of donkeys)
and thats adjusted, not real, so its actually a lot less. That means you have a quarter of the living standard of the average American. We have already touched on the education issue and the fact that the American University System is the greatest in the world throughout history. And only 3% of those students are foreign, so find a new topic to fire on. Maybe the Jews, that was a good one. HAHAHA, with people like you running the joint, its easy to understand why half the people are unemployed and ride donkeys instead of drive cars. I will hear no more shit from your back ass country.

Goodnight
:rockon:

[Da Fire!]

I've never heard Bosnia ever been praised for their medical fascilities or medical achievements.


In fact, I've never heard Bosnia praised for anything since the times of recorded history.

[Hercegovac]

In fact, I've never heard Bosnia praised for anything since the times of recorded history.

Good point :lol: as a Croat i cant wait till Hercegovina gets reunited back with Croatia :)

[Bosnian Unit]

Wow, its such a great place, why isn't everybody hopping over each other to get there. I am such a fool for living in an industrialized country, I should sell all of my things, buy a donkey or whatever they ride around Bosnia, and move there. HAHAHAHA

Your infant mortality rate is 3 and a half time what the United States is.
US 6.5/1000
BH 21.5/1000
They must really have great health care, but I hear that their veterinary care of donkeys is second to none.

Do you want a couple more gems from the CIA factbook?
"A sizeable current account deficit and high unemployment rate (44%) remain the two most serious economic problems. The country receives substantial amounts of reconstruction assistance and humanitarian aid from the international community"
So like the Americans, they are running a deficit, but unlike the Americans, they are begging for international handouts to fix it.

Per capita GDP $6500, (that gets you a lot of donkeys)
and thats adjusted, not real, so its actually a lot less. That means you have a quarter of the living standard of the average American. We have already touched on the education issue and the fact that the American University System is the greatest in the world throughout history. And only 3% of those students are foreign, so find a new topic to fire on. Maybe the Jews, that was a good one. HAHAHA, with people like you running the joint, its easy to understand why half the people are unemployed and ride donkeys instead of drive cars. I will hear no more shit from your back ass country.

Goodnight
:rockon:

WOW WHAT A DUMB ASS !!

Nobady ride ***ken donkeys you idiot, those people who have cars they mostly drive German cars or cars made in Bosnia and EX-Yugoslavia. You really think like dumb American. I had friend in USA and he was going to High school there and kids asked him did you had TV in Bosnia or shit like that.

Thats really stupid and people dont know anything about rest of the world.
When we use to eat with fork and spoon your country didnt even exist, there where Indians eating with hands. And when we had civil rights in your country people where SLAVES.

And one more thing, the reason GDP is low is becouse everything si cheep.SO ITS ALLRIGHT, BUT IT WILL GET BETTER OF COURSE. And unemployment is becouse 10 years ago this country was almost destroyed.You ***king Americans would never survive some shit like that. Im mean civilians !!

They destroyed 2 towers in your country and economy was shit, people where loseing jobs all over USA. Nobady is begging, first of all YOUR USA HAVE INTEREST IN BOSNIA AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GIVING MONEY AND DONATIONS.And they are the ones who can have military base anytime here, and still CIA have secret prisons here. Nobady is begging for help, but thats what bigger powers want to do. Its government shit i dont give a damn thing about it.

Bosnia is not Somalia you really dont have idea about countrys out of your borders. You just know Western Europe and Asia are OK/GOOD but you have no idea about the countrys in between.

[Bosnian Unit]

In fact, I've never heard Bosnia praised for anything since the times of recorded history.

How about Danis Tanovic, and Oscar in Los Angeles(2001) for a Best Foreign Language Film No Mans Land :D !!

How about Ivo Andric, and the Nobel Prize in Literature 1961 !!

Those are 2 things i remember, but i will do some research, you know i like that :lol: !!

[A3eMurderer]

WOW WHAT A DUMB ASS !!

Nobady ride ***ken donkeys you idiot, those people who have cars they mostly drive German cars or cars made in Bosnia and EX-Yugoslavia. You really think like dumb American. I had friend in USA and he was going to High school there and kids asked him did you had TV in Bosnia or shit like that.

Thats really stupid and people dont know anything about rest of the world.
When we use to eat with fork and spoon your country didnt even exist, there where Indians eating with hands. And when we had civil rights in your country people where SLAVES.

And one more thing, the reason GDP is low is becouse everything si cheep.SO ITS ALLRIGHT, BUT IT WILL GET BETTER OF COURSE. And unemployment is becouse 10 years ago this country was almost destroyed.You ***king Americans would never survive some shit like that. Im mean civilians !!

They destroyed 2 towers in your country and economy was shit, people where loseing jobs all over USA. Nobady is begging, first of all YOUR USA HAVE INTEREST IN BOSNIA AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GIVING MONEY AND DONATIONS.And they are the ones who can have military base anytime here, and still CIA have secret prisons here. Nobady is begging for help, but thats what bigger powers want to do. Its government shit i dont give a damn thing about it.

Bosnia is not Somalia you really dont have idea about countrys out of your borders. You just know Western Europe and Asia are OK/GOOD but you have no idea about the countrys in between.

I don't think you get the point, he's not saying people literally ride donkey's over there. It's just a slur he used as expression of comparison with the economic stature of the US. Realistically, there is no comparison in economies. Actually your GDP is in PPP (purchasing power parity) which signifies the realistic value of your country's GDP/capita adjusted to price levels.

Those "2 towers", as you described them, were the WTO, and extremely important figure in the economies of the WORLD, not only the US. Thus, the destruction of the WTO by terrorist organization caused hysteria, fear, and obviously lack of spending among other things. Not only did the US economy drop, but so did WORLD economies decline drastically. That's how much power those "2 towers" had. You are truely clueless with regards to even the fundamental knowledge of economics. If your countries parliament was attacked by kamikaze's in airliners, then your people would literally be going around on donkeys.

[Bosnian Unit]

Good point :lol: as a Croat i cant wait till Hercegovina gets reunited back with Croatia :)


Thats not possible and you know it. In Bosnia mostly Bosniaks(Muslim) and Serbs live !! Those two make about 98% of Bosnian population. There is some Croats in and around citys of Zepce and Orasje in Norther Bosnia and thats it.

But in Herzegovina there is Bosniaks,Croats and Serbs and still Bosniaks and Serbs are majority even in Herzegovina. Croats are just in cities like Mostar, thats biggest city in Herzegovina and Bosniaks are majority there you just have West side of Neretva river.And Croats live in small citys like Siroki Brijeg,Capljina,Stolac,Posusje etc..

Even your president give up all that becouse there is no way to divide parts where Croats live becouse you still have Bosniaks and Serbs there.Thats why most of Croats left for Croatia,Germany and Australia. Before war you make about 14% or Bosnia & Herzegovina population, now is 10%. You have no power at all so thats just nonsense.

Even so called serbian entity cant unite with Serbia becouse there is no way you can divide something where you have another group of people living there, like Bosniaks for example.

Only answer is war, so everybody can ***k up everybody again and force them from place where they are in power. But thats not in interest of the EU or USA, they would not aloud that.

So if you want to come back home, you gonna have to live in Bosnia & Herzegovina :) !!

[A3eMurderer]

Bosnia & Herzegovina FACTS


Human development index (HDI) = 0.786
--- HDI is a multidimensional depiction of the overall development of individuals, it takes into account, education, health and GDP. Bosnia is ranked 68 (which is crap).
Education index = 0.86
Adult literacy rate (% ages 15 and above) (HDI) 94.6% (Crap) an industrialized country has 99.x% literacy rates.
Population undernourished (% total), 2000-2002 = 8%


here, you can check the rest out your self, http://hdr.undp.org/statistics/data/cty/cty_f_BIH.html

[Bosnian Unit]

I don't think you get the point, he's not saying people literally ride donkey's over there. It's just a slur he used as expression of comparison with the economic stature of the US. Realistically, there is no comparison in economies. Actually your GDP is in PPP (purchasing power parity) which signifies the realistic value of your country's GDP/capita adjusted to price levels.

Those "2 towers", as you described them, were the WTO, and extremely important figure in the economies of the WORLD, not only the US. Thus, the destruction of the WTO by terrorist organization caused hysteria, fear, and obviously lack of spending among other things. Not only did the US economy drop, but so did WORLD economies decline drastically. That's how much power those "2 towers" had. You are truely clueless with regards to even the fundamental knowledge of economics. If your countries parliament was attacked by kamikaze's in airliners, then your people would literally be going around on donkeys.

Bro' my country had 2.000.000 refuges and 250.000 killed, and total destruction. And we are still not going around on donkeys :lol: !!

[A3eMurderer]

Bro' my country had 2.000.000 refuges and 250.000 killed, and total destruction. And we are still not going around on donkeys :lol: !!


Again you didn't get the point - when things like that happen, economies are drained and they decline, simple as that.

[Da Fire!]

Hey DonkeyMan, it is clear that either everybody on this board is wrong or you are, seeing some of the evidence posted by others why don't you just give it a break? The best thing that could happen to BH is to be incorporated into Croatia, maybe then your sports teams would once again be decent. :lol:

[Hercegovac]

Hey DonkeyMan, it is clear that either everybody on this board is wrong or you are, seeing some of the evidence posted by others why don't you just give it a break? The best thing that could happen to BH is to be incorporated into Croatia, maybe then your sports teams would once again be decent. :lol:

Hahah you are sik man, every time i come on you have a good post for me to read :thumbsup: :D

[Hercegovac]

Thats not possible and you know it. In Bosnia mostly Bosniaks(Muslim) and Serbs live !! Those two make about 98% of Bosnian population. There is some Croats in and around citys of Zepce and Orasje in Norther Bosnia and thats it.

But in Herzegovina there is Bosniaks,Croats and Serbs and still Bosniaks and Serbs are majority even in Herzegovina. Croats are just in cities like Mostar, thats biggest city in Herzegovina and Bosniaks are majority there you just have West side of Neretva river.And Croats live in small citys like Siroki Brijeg,Capljina,Stolac,Posusje etc..

Even your president give up all that becouse there is no way to divide parts where Croats live becouse you still have Bosniaks and Serbs there.Thats why most of Croats left for Croatia,Germany and Australia. Before war you make about 14% or Bosnia & Herzegovina population, now is 10%. You have no power at all so thats just nonsense.

Even so called serbian entity cant unite with Serbia becouse there is no way you can divide something where you have another group of people living there, like Bosniaks for example.

Only answer is war, so everybody can ***k up everybody again and force them from place where they are in power. But thats not in interest of the EU or USA, they would not aloud that.

So if you want to come back home, you gonna have to live in Bosnia & Herzegovina :) !!

And you are wrong:

http://balkansnet.org/bhmap.jpg

I dont have to live under Bosnian rule the half of my family in Hercegovina are Croatian and we protected our land since we came there... so why would i live in Bosnia & Hercegovina its only Hercegovina that all Croats know is Croatian...

I freely go to and from Dalmacija and Hercegovina knowing both lands are the roots of my history and no one can take that away from me.

The places like Siroki Brijeg Citluk, most of Mostar is all going to reunite with Croatia.... and dont talk about rule.... your corrupt police cant do anything to the Croatians in Hercegovina we have our own... only what you have is border police and so on... and police in Mostar...

[Hercegovac]

"Within Bosnia and Herzegovina's recognized borders, the country is divided into a joint Bosniak/Croat Federation (about 51% of the territory) and the Bosnian Serb-led Republika Srpska or RS (about 49% of the territory); the region called Herzegovina is contiguous to Croatia and Serbia and Montenegro (Montenegro), and traditionally has been settled by an ethnic Croat majority in the west and an ethnic Serb majority in the east"

"Serb 37.1%, Bosniak 48%, Croat 14.3%, other 0.6% (2000)
note: Bosniak has replaced Muslim as an ethnic term in part to avoid
confusion with the religious term Muslim - an adherent of Islam"

And the blue part of which is in the picture above makes about 15% am i right?

Then this should and WILL render Hercegovina a Croatian province :)

[djani]

Alright! Seriously ENOUGH is Enough...

Behdad is entitled to his opinion, he has experienced something most of us who have replied here have not , except for the other Iranians.

BosnianUnit- your crazy conspiracy theories are just that, crazy...they are not based on any facts whatsoever.

DaFire- please be quiet , your last comment was unintelligent and unnecessary. Bosna i Hercegovina is an INDEPENDENT country now and there is absolutely no reason for you to be so disrespectful towards it. BiH NT has steadily improved since the post war era, it is still young.

Hercegovac- ENOUGH with your biased crap, seriously... Dosta je! If you do not respect the fact that the Hercegovina region is a part of the Republic of Bosna i Hercegovina , then leave them alone. You have your own country, it is called Hrvatska ... Bosnians nor Serbs ( on this forum) have made half the ludicrious claims on Croatian land as you have.

Super Mods please close this thread for the sake of everyone's sanity... Thank you!

[Da Fire!]

Hey Djani, have you read the posts in this thread? The crap spewing out of BosniaUnit's mouth is ridiculous. The amount of anti semitic garbage has prompted me to make this thread nasty. If you don't like whats happening here, DONT READ IT.

[Hercegovac]

Alright! Seriously ENOUGH is Enough...

Behdad is entitled to his opinion, he has experienced something most of us who have replied here have not , except for the other Iranians.

BosnianUnit- your crazy conspiracy theories are just that, crazy...they are not based on any facts whatsoever.

DaFire- please be quiet , your last comment was unintelligent and unnecessary. Bosna i Hercegovina is an INDEPENDENT country now and there is absolutely no reason for you to be so disrespectful towards it. BiH NT has steadily improved since the post war era, it is still young.

Hercegovac- ENOUGH with your biased crap, seriously... Dosta je! If you do not respect the fact that the Hercegovina region is a part of the Republic of Bosna i Hercegovina , then leave them alone. You have your own country, it is called Hrvatska ... Bosnians nor Serbs ( on this forum) have made half the ludicrious claims on Croatian land as you have.

Super Mods please close this thread for the sake of everyone's sanity... Thank you!

I am open to my own oppinion OK my dida and and cousins didnt fight for his town and people for nothing...

You say i have "ludicrious claims " and yet i stated that 15% of the land is Croatian... you know one thing and that is to expect to much from people what do you know about over there? nista pa nemoj se uvaljat dje ti nije posao.

Wtf are you turning into tito or something?

:boo: If only you knew how it is in Hercegovina atm...

[Bosnian Unit]

Again you didn't get the point - when things like that happen, economies are drained and they decline, simple as that.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY ECONOMY AND EVERYTHING IN MY COUNTRY IS NOT THAT GOOD. If any country went thru what Bosnia & Herzegovina did, that country would be in conditions just like B&H today.

But still Bosnia & Herzegovina stands very good and proud :) !!

[Bosnian Unit]

I am open to my own oppinion OK my dida and and cousins didnt fight for his town and people for nothing...

You say i have "ludicrious claims " and yet i stated that 15% of the land is Croatian... you know one thing and that is to expect to much from people what do you know about over there? nista pa nemoj se uvaljat dje ti nije posao.

Wtf are you turning into tito or something?

:boo: If only you knew how it is in Hercegovina atm...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Are you crazy ? I told you, Croats did make 14% of B&H population before war but now is 10%.And facts on that map are from 1991 !!

Including this one...
http://www.usm.maine.edu/~kuzma/security/projects/2002/barss/index_files/ethnic_majoities_bosnia%20Table.jpg

But where it says no majority present, Bosniaks are majority today including Mostar.Becouse Croats force them out of Capljina,Stolac,Citluk,Posusje etc.. and most of them live in Mostar today.

[Bosnian Unit]

Hey DonkeyMan, it is clear that either everybody on this board is wrong or you are, seeing some of the evidence posted by others why don't you just give it a break? The best thing that could happen to BH is to be incorporated into Croatia, maybe then your sports teams would once again be decent. :lol:

:lol: :lol:

Bosnia will beat USA in football anytime !! Only reason why is your team ranked in TOP 10 and its on World Cups is becouse you have no competition except Mexico. Some Nicaragua,Bahamas,T&T,Canada,Grenada,Guatemala,Belize or God know what other crap countrys in football, of course you have no problem qualifaying and getting points. In qualifications for WC2006 in Germany here are standings in our Group 7:

1.Serbia and Montenegro 10 6 4 0 16 1 22
2.Spain 10 5 5 0 19 3 20
3.Bosnia-Herzegovina 10 4 4 2 12 9 16
4.Belgium 10 3 3 4 16 11 12
5.Lithuania 10 2 4 4 8 9 10
6.San Marino 10 0 0 10 2 40 0

We just lost two games against Belgium in Bruxells and Serbia in Belgrade, where game was not important becouse 55.000 Serb fans where throwing rocks and everything on our 1000+ fans.And their police didnt do anything about it. We lost 1:0, but only God know what would happend if we won for example.

12-Oct-05 Serbia:Bosnia & Herzegovina 1:0 (1:0)
08-Oct-05 Bosnia & Herzegovina:San Marino 3:0 (0:0)
07-Sep-05 Lithuania:Bosnia & Herzegovina 0:1 (0:1)
03-Sep-05Bosnia & Herzegovina :Belgium 1:0 (0:0)
08-Jun-05 Spain:Bosnia & Herzegovina1:1 (0:1)
04-Jun-05 San Marino: Bosnia & Herzegovina1:3 (1:2)
30-Mar-05 Bosnia & Herzegovina:Lithuania 1:1 (1:0)
26-Mar-05 Belgium:Bosnia & Herzegovina 4:1 (2:1)
09-Oct-04 Bosnia & Herzegovina:Serbia 0:0
08-Sep-04 Bosnia & Herzegovina:Spain 1:1 (0:0)

Last qualifications for Euro Championship 2004

Pl nations Pts
1 Denmark 15
2 Norway 14
3 Romania 14
4 Bosnia 13
5 Luxemburg 0

In Euro qualifications we needed win against our last game against Denmark in Sarajevo to win the group and qualify as winners of Group 2 but we played 1:1.Our players tought it would be easy on our ground and in front of 40.000+ fans becouse we beat Denmark in Copenhagen 2:0. But they where wrong, it wasent easy and that ***ked us really bad.

Just like in qualifications for WC2006 in Germany if we won in Belgrade we would be 2nd wich means play offs.But it was war over there not a football game. Also we couldent win in Spain, our team was winning until 97 minute. Thats extra 7 minutes, and we had 2 red and 9 yellow cards. English ref' didnt aloud that, i mean its obvious who would lett some Bosnia win in Spain. And ***k FIFA and their ''fair play''.Im sure if there was Germany,Italy orother Western European country there would not be extra 7 minutes of the game.
So that game had to be played until Spain score, and they where celebrating like they won World Cup or something.

Sometimes you just cant go against everybody !!

Only reason you/we gonna see your country in World Cup next year is your geographical position.

P.S.Meybe Americans should help Israel so they can play in N/C American & Caribbean qualifications, im sure they would qualify just like you :lol: !!
I mean if they could play in Oceania they can play there, becouse there is no way they can do that in Asia :rockon: !! They will never qualify from Europe im sure :D !!

[Bosnian Unit]

I will also say that, i will not argue with some dumb ***k cowboy about freedom or whatever.

My country never nuke someone,my country never attack some other country, my people never had slaves like his people etc..

And half of the mosques & churches in my country are older then his so called free land(USA) :D !!

Plus my country never did some experiments on his own people, and immigrants & slaves didnt build my country like his.

And much more.........but im not gonna waste my time no more on this topic.



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