Naturalizados en la la Seleccion Mexicana

[Calif]

Creen que deberia de haber jugadores naturalizados en la Seleccion Mexicana?

[juanca]

i'd have to say NO.


im not mexican, but i think lavolpe needs to go.

him and his "proceso" suck. he is an idiot. he said he would quit after confederations cup i think it was, idk, or maybe la copa america.

either way, the mexican NT should consist of mexicans!

my country Ecuador consists of 100% Ecuadorians.

chile is the same. colombia is the same. USA is the same for crying out loud!

lavolpe is a disgrace. the FMF is ruining its reputation by allowing this mockery to happen.

i really hope your team gets it together for germany.

JC:cool:

[aguilas]

I agree with Juanca. Having foreigners on the NT defeats the purpose of it being a National Team

[Calif]

Yep agree on that but lots of NT teams tienen naturalizados. Creo que mientras sean dos o tres naturalizados its okay more than that no.

[Detenator]

I guess Dos Santos will never be in the National Team... I mean... he really is Brazillian.... oh well...

[evilmact]

He born in Mexico although he looks more like a Brazilian... but I understand what you mean.

If they love Mexico and are really VERY GOOD players, then I vote yes.

[Ese_Guy]

I've struggled with this question before.
I personally feel that if a player comes to this country and makes it his home, i.e. gets involved with the community, assimilates into society as well as the local customs, then why not.

If they feel "Mexico" in their heart and can play, they should be allowed to represent Mexico.

There should be a priority though. At no time should an equally talented national be replaced by a naturalized citizen.

Even though El Pony Ruiz is getting up there in years, he's one naturalized citizen that I am still quite impressed with. His ball touch/control and play making abilities are awesome, IMHO.

[Ese_Guy]

I guess Dos Santos will never be in the National Team... I mean... he really is Brazillian.... oh well...
I thought Dos Santos was born in Mexico; from a Mexican mother.
Heritage & birthplace are two different things.

Dos Santos is as Mexican as tacos are :D

[juanca]

ese guy, my friend (from el DF) says the same thing, if they call el guille and zinha, then they should call el pony.

anyway, im 100% AGAINST the idea of the mexican NT having non mexicans, it just doesnt make sense.

i tell you, if my country Ecuador started using naturalized argentinians or brazilians, id stop following them.

and about gio dos santos, if he plays on the sub-17 NT team, he could be called up to la selecion mexicana. dos santos was born in mexico, he is mexican. he has some brazilian heritage, and looks brazilian, but he is mexican.

just a side note-freddy adu has the option of playing for ghana if he wants. he was born in ghana, but now a naturalized american( like anyone cares really, lol). but the point is, until he plays a game with the US senior side, he can still opt to play for ghana.

JC

[juanca]

i also hate how contacto deportivo ran some special on how "many" countries use naturalizados but it isnt a "big deal" for them, like people are making it out to be for mexico's NT.

i say....."BS!"

so like germany has 1 naturalizado and some lame 500citizen countries use em, thats bogus.

[chuncho_azul]

mexico shouldnt..hell, they dont even need it as they have good enough players themselves.

[juanca]

mexico shouldnt..hell, they dont even need it as they have good enough players themselves.


that is the point!

mexico dont need em.

si fueran un pais chiquito, no desarollados todavia, que no tienen ni liga ni jugadores establecidos, pero tienen una de las ligas mas populares del mundo, y jugadores que juegan en el extranjero.

IMO, there is no need to natrulize foreigners.

lavolpe needs to call players that will help mexico WIN, and not make him happy or mad.

he should think about the team, not his personal agendas.

truthfully, que pongan al chucho ramirez, despues de oirlo hablar ayer en contacto deportivo, ese hombre deberia ser el DT de la selecion mexicana.

JC

[El Kapitan]

I support the idea of having naturalized players on the national team if and only if they can make a difference.

Would anyone support a naturalized goalie over Oswaldo? Hell no.

Someone can take any MFL foreign central defender over Marquez? Of course not.

I think that right now Mexico is covered in most positions by mexican born players and therefore there's not really a need for naturalized players.

But since LaVolpe is already convinced that he needs to add depth to the roster with naturalized players, a good position to add a naturalized is striker were very few mexican born players are in a good momentum right now, from the naturalized strikers by far Guille is the only one with enough class to play with the national team. The second position is the traditional problem of any team in the world, get a playmaker, we have Cuau but LaVolpe wants another one to add more depth. The man he's been using is Sinha, and he's OK, but if we are set on taking naturalized players, the least we can do is take the very best of them, the man I'm thinking of is Walter Gaitan, he got recently his mexican citizenship and he should be an interesting addition for the team, he has the playmaking ability of a Sinha and he also has goal, I think he deserves a chance.

Finally I think that in general mexican football needs to work harder to have more quality mexican players in every position and not make this a constant habit, with Jesus Ramirez working with all the national teams with age limit and the idea of having less foreigns on the league we are in the right track, I hope they don't lose it in a few years but right now they are starting to work quite well.

Now just to make some things straight:

1- Rodrigo "El Pony" Ruiz already played with the national team of Chile, so he can't play for Mexico, even though he's a great player and a player that Chile wasted by not calling him, he's not playing international football right now, but he did play in the 90's.

2- There's other naturalized players that are being considered by the media for future calls even though they already played with their national teams, the specific roumor about El Pony started with the mexican sports newspaper Record, they also said that the Pachuca goalie Miguel Calero was an option even though he also already played with the Colombian national team. It's OK if fans don't know this kind of information, but for so called professional media is a mistake that should not be forgived for spreading wrong information.

3-Giovanni Dos Santos borned in 1989 in the city of Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico, his mother is mexican, his brother's are mexicans, all his close family in that city including grandparents and uncles that had contact with him while growing are mexicans, he speaks like a mexican teenager and he even looks like one (one of the south of course, maybe from Veracruz), he only happens to have a dad that borned in brazil, but even his dad is mexican now. The hole "Giovanni is brazilian" is a stupid subject, Zague was more brazilian that him. Giovanni already said it "I'm mexican and is my dream to play with the mexican national team" along with that statement there was a picture of him with a charro hat, the mexican flag and the foot of the picture said "forever ours". I think that leaves too damn clear with which country is gonna play.

[juanca]

I support the idea of having naturalized players on the national team if and only if they can make a difference.

Would anyone support a naturalized goalie over Oswaldo? Hell no.

Someone can take any MFL foreign central defender over Marquez? Of course not.

I think that right now Mexico is covered in most positions by mexican born players and therefore there's not really a need for naturalized players.

But since LaVolpe is already convinced that he needs to add depth to the roster with naturalized players, a good position to add a naturalized is striker were very few mexican born players are in a good momentum right now, from the naturalized strikers by far Guille is the only one with enough class to play with the national team. The second position is the traditional problem of any team in the world, get a playmaker, we have Cuau but LaVolpe wants another one to add more depth. The man he's been using is Sinha, and he's OK, but if we are set on taking naturalized players, the least we can do is take the very best of them, the man I'm thinking of is Walter Gaitan, he got recently his mexican citizenship and he should be an interesting addition for the team, he has the playmaking ability of a Sinha and he also has goal, I think he deserves a chance.

Finally I think that in general mexican football needs to work harder to have more quality mexican players in every position and not make this a constant habit, with Jesus Ramirez working with all the national teams with age limit and the idea of having less foreigns on the league we are in the right track, I hope they don't lose it in a few years but right now they are starting to work quite well.

Now just to make some things straight:

1- Rodrigo "El Pony" Ruiz already played with the national team of Chile, so he can't play for Mexico, even though he's a great player and a player that Chile wasted by not calling him, he's not playing international football right now, but he did play in the 90's.

2- There's other naturalized players that are being considered by the media for future calls even though they already played with their national teams, the specific roumor about El Pony started with the mexican sports newspaper Record, they also said that the Pachuca goalie Miguel Calero was an option even though he also already played with the Colombian national team. It's OK if fans don't know this kind of information, but for so called professional media is a mistake that should not be forgived for spreading wrong information.

3-Giovanni Dos Santos borned in 1989 in the city of Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico, his mother is mexican, his brother's are mexicans, all his close family in that city including grandparents and uncles that had contact with him while growing are mexicans, he speaks like a mexican teenager and he even looks like one (one of the south of course, maybe from Veracruz), he only happens to have a dad that borned in brazil, but even his dad is mexican now. The hole "Giovanni is brazilian" is a stupid subject, Zague was more brazilian that him. Giovanni already said it "I'm mexican and is my dream to play with the mexican national team" along with that statement there was a picture of him with a charro hat, the mexican flag and the foot of the picture said "forever ours". I think that leaves too damn clear with which country is gonna play.


good point capy

eso del pony, hasta yo lo sabia y me la pazo siempre diciendo a mis amigos, que el pony no puede porque juho con chile ya.

Lo de calero si nunca habia oido, pero eso me parece una estupidez chino. quien no sabe que calero es el portero de colombia? jeje

dos santos? pshh, nada q decir pos, cuando sea grande, mexico lo va a estimar demasiado.

JC

[Calif]

No iré a los Rojos: “Pony” Ruiz


Rodrigo Pony Ruiz, futbolista chileno naturalizado mexicano, aseveró a la prensa local que la selección nacional de Chile nunca fue mi prioridad, por lo que impugnó su posible colaboración en la Roja.

10:31:45, Rodrigo Pony Ruiz, futbolista chileno naturalizado mexicano, aseveró a la prensa local que la selección nacional de Chile nunca fue mi prioridad, por lo que impugnó su posible colaboración en la Roja.

El Pony comentó que tomó el fallo de separarse de la selección chilena hace tres años, tras participar en 2001 en un juego de la Roja ante Perú, por aviso del entonces técnico Pedro García.

Cuando jugué por Chile se discutió mi nominación y no vi cimientos claros para haber recibido ese ataque, por eso tomé la decisión, no tengo por qué cambiar ahora, amplió Ruiz.

[Calif]

Estoy seguro que si el "Pony Ruiz" no hubiese jugado con la seleccion de chile creo que no lo dudaria en jugar para Mexico.

[El Kapitan]

No iré a los Rojos: “Pony” Ruiz


Rodrigo Pony Ruiz, futbolista chileno naturalizado mexicano, aseveró a la prensa local que la selección nacional de Chile nunca fue mi prioridad, por lo que impugnó su posible colaboración en la Roja.

10:31:45, Rodrigo Pony Ruiz, futbolista chileno naturalizado mexicano, aseveró a la prensa local que la selección nacional de Chile nunca fue mi prioridad, por lo que impugnó su posible colaboración en la Roja.

El Pony comentó que tomó el fallo de separarse de la selección chilena hace tres años, tras participar en 2001 en un juego de la Roja ante Perú, por aviso del entonces técnico Pedro García.

Cuando jugué por Chile se discutió mi nominación y no vi cimientos claros para haber recibido ese ataque, por eso tomé la decisión, no tengo por qué cambiar ahora, amplió Ruiz.

That's really sad for Chile, to waste such a great player, I can only think on a handfull of national teams that can give themselves the pleasure of not calling a player of his category, in this continent only Argentina and Brazil, Jared Borgetti owes at least 1/3 of his goals to him.

[Ese_Guy]

Oswaldo confía en los naturalizados (http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?chid=4&schid=651&secid=652&cid=217122)

Los naturalizados hacen un buen trabajo
EFE

http://u.univision.com/contentroot/uol/art/images/deportes/fmex/2005/10/051015_chivas_mxs3.jpg

24 de Octubre de 2005

MEXICO - Oswaldo Sánchez, portero de la selección mexicana, aseguró que los jugadores del equipo nacidos fuera del país han hecho un buen trabajo, pero deberán marcar diferencias para asistir a la Copa Mundial.

'Demostrar que son mucho mejores'

"Tienen que dar una diferencia porque son naturalizados; demostrar que son mucho mejores que los nacidos acá", comentó el arquero de las Chivas de Guadalajara al referirse al argentino Guillermo Franco y al brasileño "Zinha".

[Ese_Guy]

No más naturalizados (http://www.oem.com.mx/esto/051122/futbol/29futbol.asp)
- La Volpe

[unam_mx]

Players like Sinha that are above average but not really stars, I dont want...give it to a Mexican.Give it to Guardado, Trujillo, or some other young Mexican who can be creative and explosive.Oswaldo is right, to warrant a place they have to be millions of miles better then other Mexicans that play that position--something which Sinha isnt.Unless u are going to make a big difference then u are just hindering the developement of young Mexican-borns.Hell why not go ahead and give Giovanni a chance, lets see if he can be that 'brain' that Sinha is supposed to be (which he hasnt been!)...I dont want to bring him along too fast, but I think he's ready to atleast go to Germany 06' to watch and gain some experience from the bench.And who knows, maybe if he's given the opportunity to play on the Men's Team he could dominate and show that he could do more then just watch from the bench...I mean Ronaldinho at age 18 was already on the Brasilian NT, and yes I understand that Gio is younger (16) but this Mexican NT is also no Brasilian NT--its much easier to earn a spot for Mexico then Brasil.

Now Gaitan is another story, that guy is f'en good...he creates and was 'co-campeon de goleo'.If he were to get called up, I would have no problem.If he gets called up, I think he could make it to the WC but with Blanco likely to re-join the NT he probably wont get a shot...Sinha I dont see making it while Franco might sneek in and grab a roster spot.We might have one player going, big deal.And no, we arent the only 'big' country doing it--the US does have some, Japan has some, Portgual has some, Germany has one, and there's probably more.We are just very proud people, not many other people (if any) are as proud about who and where they are from as Mexicans are...we make a big deal out of it, but in the rest of the world its something normal.

By the way, does anybody have list of all naturalized Mexicans?The only ones I know are Pony, Gaitan, Guille, and Sinha...and probably Calero since u guys are saying that he was being considered.Other then that I havent heard of any others.

[mEXICAN4LIFE22]

Yeah i think its fine the way it is now If we have too many naturalized players it wouldnt be mexico but these guys do an ok job just keep em in the bench for back up, btw is blanco going to play wc?

[El Kapitan]

Well there's a lot of naturalized players in Mexico right now, the ones I remember are:

1 - Caballero, Pachuca
2- Calero, Pachuca*
3- Sinha, Toluca
4- Franco, Monterrey
5- Gradito, Atlas
6- Pony, Santos*
7- Ariel Gonzales, San Luis
8- Hector Gimenez, San Luis

*Already played with his national team.
Plus the ones in process such as:

Gaitan, Tigres
Alex, Monterrey
Pinheiro, Monterrey
Alfredo Moreno, Necaxa

And guys already naturalized mexicans playing elsewhere:

Fabian Estay, America de Calï*
Flavio Rogeiro, Somewhere in the Brazilian first division
Pablo Gabas, Alajuelense (Costa Rica)

[El Kapitan]

Other guys interested to become mexicans are:

Nestor Silvera, Tigres
Ailton, Pumas

[unam_mx]

Other guys interested to become mexicans are:

Nestor Silvera, Tigres
Ailton, Pumas

Ailton is exactly what Mexico needs, a creator...too bad it will be too late when and if he becomes naturalized.

[El Kapitan]

I forgot about Alex Aguinaga playing with Liga Deportiva Universitaria in Ecuador's first division. Needles to say that Aguinaga already played for Ecuador.

[San Oswaldo]

no more naturalized players they aren't true be***rs