Violence in the EPL

[juanca]

is it just me, or are the tackles comitted in the EPL very very hard?

some are out-right outrageous. it seems that the ref's end up booking the player only to give them a yellow, when any sensible ref wouldve given em a direct red.

is that just how english soccer is? perhaps less tacticle but must faster and stronger?


is that why latinos dont do well in the EPL? (look at forlan during his man Utd days?)

JC

[merseyboyred]

is it just me, or are the tackles comitted in the EPL very very hard?

some are out-right outrageous. it seems that the ref's end up booking the player only to give them a yellow, when any sensible ref wouldve given em a direct red.

is that just how english soccer is? perhaps less tacticle but must faster and stronger?


is that why latinos dont do well in the EPL? (look at forlan during his man Utd days?)

JC

I'd say yes on your last point, the most successful Brazilian in English football is gilberto of Arsenal.

The referees are just poor basically imo.

We have a different culture footballing wise here, it all comes from how the game started, it was played in public schools to stop boys from "interfering" with themselves. So anything fancy was seen as closet homosexuality due to that orignally, ergo the strong tackling etc. Luckily it looks like we are coming into a more enlightenend footballing age. :D

[juanca]

well, that was certainly news to me!

[BRISTOLUK]

is that just how english soccer is? perhaps less tacticle but must faster and stronger?


is that why latinos dont do well in the EPL? (look at forlan during his man Utd days?)

JC


I'm not sure you can say 'English' football anymore. Most players in EPL teams are not from England, nor even the UK. I know the style is still faster than most, but the game has changed considerably over the years.
Uruguayans and Argentinians have actually done pretty well in England too.

[Tottenham Dave]

I'm not sure you can say 'English' football anymore. Most players in EPL teams are not from England, nor even the UK. I know the style is still faster than most, but the game has changed considerably over the years.
Uruguayans and Argentinians have actually done pretty well in England too.


Actually, on the opening day of this season, 82% of the starting eleven players in the Prem were English.
And in all honesty, I can only think of one Uruguayan that has played here in recent times - Gus Poyet at Tottenham and Chelsea (I'm sure there are more though in reserves), and though there were more Argentinians, I can only boil them down to Ardiles, Villa, Tarrico (all Tottenham :smoking: ) and then Veron and Crespo at Chelsea.

Thing is, for all that we have a lot of foriegners plying their trade here, the heartbeat of most teams is still English, hence the fouls and bad tackles.
I like the hard edge to the game here, anyone who rolls around 'injured' just gets laughed at and called a girl.

The biggest group of foriegn players in England are from Scandinavia, and only one or two are 'high profile'.

Not sure what Merseyboyred is talking about, none of that in London :lol:

[morrison76]

English football is not just about the nationality of the players, but also the fans.

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[BRISTOLUK]

Actually, on the opening day of this season, 82% of the starting eleven players in the Prem were English.
And in all honesty, I can only think of one Uruguayan that has played here in recent times - Gus Poyet at Tottenham and Chelsea (I'm sure there are more though in reserves), and though there were more Argentinians, I can only boil them down to Ardiles, Villa, Tarrico (all Tottenham :smoking: ) and then Veron and Crespo at Chelsea.

Thing is, for all that we have a lot of foriegners plying their trade here, the heartbeat of most teams is still English, hence the fouls and bad tackles.
I like the hard edge to the game here, anyone who rolls around 'injured' just gets laughed at and called a girl.
The biggest group of foriegn players in England are from Scandinavia, and only one or two are 'high profile'.
Not sure what Merseyboyred is talking about, none of that in London :lol:
I'm surprised at the 82% figure. I'm pretty sure I have read of Brits in the minority in starting line-ups on other match days. But I suppose variation shouldn't be surprising when teams can have 4 or 5 English one game and just 1 for another. I know what you mean about some of the style still being English (or British) though. I think the imports 'catch on'. I remember watching English teams playing other European teams over the years and getting frustrated at how often the ball was given away. Last season I was watching Chelsea and Liverpool in CL matches and they kept giving the ball away. But is was the imports as much as the English. I suppose they get used to playing the quicker way (hurried?) and that kind of takes over from what they were used to. Is that a fair observation? Either way, the game has changed a lot in England...probably more so than anywhere else I think.

Yes...not many Argentenians or Uruguayans have played in the UK. But my point was that those that did try their hand were pretty successful. There was a guy at Sheffield United too. And Tarrantini at Brum? And if there was only the one Uruguayan, wasn't Gus a fantastic example of what a footballer should be.

[Gringotown]

If you look overall at English football it is pretty clean, though when English teams play in Europe they find that tackles that would be accaptable in the EPL are not accepted by the Italian and Spanish referees. This maybe because Italian football used to filled with two footed fouls and tackles from behind, the Spanish was not much better.

One team that is considered physical is Bolton but this team consists of mainly foreign players.

Yes the EPL is 'physical' it is also fast and low scoring. Many tacles are 'late' due to the pace of forwards.

The passing has also improved as has the skill level. Real physical games occured in the late 60s and 70s with Leeds Utd Noman Hunter, Hunter bites your legs, and others. Forwards used to pull out of tackles with notorious defenders for fear of injury. Times have changed!

I do not think the EPL is any better or worse then most leagues, it entertains and maybe players 'intimidating' each other is acceptable. Watch some African and Sth American football if you want to see violence.

[Becks]

I am not shocked at the figure... Look at United's starting line-up:

Van der Sar, Neville (c), Ferdinand (Bardsley, 68), Brown, O’Shea, Fletcher, Smith, Scholes (Park, 74), Giggs (Ronaldo, 71), van Nistelrooy, Rooney.
Subs not used: Howard (GK), Saha.


Sure, not all of them are native, but I believe most are.

[BRISTOLUK]

I am not shocked at the figure... Look at United's starting line-up:
Van der Sar, Neville (c), Ferdinand (Bardsley, 68), Brown, O’Shea, Fletcher, Smith, Scholes (Park, 74), Giggs (Ronaldo, 71), van Nistelrooy, Rooney.
Subs not used: Howard (GK), Saha.
Sure, not all of them are native, but I believe most are.

Man U has actually been one of the teams with a record of playing a higher number of English players than other teams over the last few years. But by no means always. There are six in this line-up. In other games this season there have been fewer. They do have Welsh, Scots and Irish of course. That was always the tradition in the 'English' game.
But according to a figure I read recently, English players are in the minority in the EPL. There are so few Scots, Welsh and Irish that even adding them doesn't give a majority of British.
Are there any other leagues where imports outnumber 'home' players?

[hazardz89]

hard tackles r the english way
if u adjust u can still play well as a foreigner

[MIDO_IS_DA_BEST]

Actually, on the opening day of this season, 82% of the starting eleven players in the Prem were English.
And in all honesty, I can only think of one Uruguayan that has played here in recent times - Gus Poyet at Tottenham and Chelsea (I'm sure there are more though in reserves), and though there were more Argentinians, I can only boil them down to Ardiles, Villa, Tarrico (all Tottenham :smoking: ) and then Veron and Crespo at Chelsea.

Thing is, for all that we have a lot of foriegners plying their trade here, the heartbeat of most teams is still English, hence the fouls and bad tackles.
I like the hard edge to the game here, anyone who rolls around 'injured' just gets laughed at and called a girl.

The biggest group of foriegn players in England are from Scandinavia, and only one or two are 'high profile'.

Not sure what Merseyboyred is talking about, none of that in London :lol:


diego forlan is a uraguayan but im not sure if he was still playin for man u at
start of the season