Europe vs S. America

[kingkong]

Really? There are four WC places for SA. Five including the play off spot. So the other 8 SA teams are playing for 2 or 3 places.

As Vipaman says that means 2 or 3 SA teams ranked out of the top 30 are guaranteed to qualify. There are 20 European teams ranked higher than the other SA teams. As there are 14 European places that means at least six teams ranked higher than the other SA teams WILL NOT make it.

That's one definition that confirms it's harder to qualify in Europe.

As there are 52 European sides, that means the average teams will be roughly in the middle 17. There aren't enough places for the top 17 so that gives the average teams even less of a chance.

Despite their consistently high position in world football, Holland missed out in 2002 because of the quality fighting for limited places.
Turkey reached the WC semis in 2002, but missed out in 2006. As did European Champions of 2004, Greece. Denmark is ranked 10 places above the average SA teams...but there was no place for them either.

While above average European teams can't get through qualifying for the WC, average SA teams are guaranteed 2 places and a play off opportunity for a 3rd place.

Common sense should tell you that it's harder for average Euro teams than average SA teams.I think the question of 'in which continent is harder to qualify to a WC' is academically interesting but irrelevant...

If it's harder for Europeans to qualify BEFORE the Cup, it's much harder for us - being a minority (4-5 teams) - to compete, DURING THE CUP, for 1st places, and eventually winning it.

'Common sense' should tell that winning is what really counts, isn'it?...

Euro has a greater quantitity of average quality countries than SA competing for a place at a WC, but has 4 times more guaranteed seats in it...

That - during the Cup, I'll repeat - makes things a lot easier to them...

And (since people don't take in consideration other people's arguments), I have to insist: Europe's chances are 4 x as big as SA's: they have 4 x more places...

They 'got the knife & the cheese' in their hands & don't cut it :ronaldo:: their advantadge should be considerable by now...

And all Europe got in 76 years of WCs was a false 'tie' with South America...

[Fenerliyim]

Fifa thinks South America is better!

South America

4.5 out of 9 make it to the WC

while in Europe

14 out of 50 (including Montenego) make it

Fifa thinks South America is better!

Ofcourse Fifa likes S.America. Ever heard of Havelange, president of fifa from 1974 to 1998, and one could say he was the most corrupt president, and following him is his protege Sepp Blatter.

I mean which teams have never gotten screwed by Fifa?

Where did $400,000,000 go from Fifa trust funds right before WC 2002? Which never got investigated. How many people do u think Havelange and Blatter payed to get Brazil the WC that year. And anyone who watched 2002 knew it was rigged.

[kingkong]

Ofcourse Fifa likes S.America. Ever heard of Havelange, president of fifa from 1974 to 1998, and one could say he was the most corrupt president, and following him is his protege Sepp Blatter.

I mean which teams have never gotten screwed by Fifa?

Where did $400,000,000 go from Fifa trust funds right before WC 2002? Which never got investigated. How many people do u think Havelange and Blatter payed to get Brazil the WC that year. And anyone who watched 2002 knew it was rigged.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woIuBKc32YM

[tdr]

It doesn't matter what we say or do what matter are the games and their outcomes (of course Jogo Bonito also to some).

but you either have it or don't
http://sjl-static2.sjl.youtube.com/vi/sH0Fha6vVGA/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0Fha6vVGA)

[kingkong]

How many people do u think Havelange and Blatter payed to get Brazil the WC that year. And anyone who watched 2002 knew it was rigged.Lies are made to be said!...


It doesn't matter what we say or do what matter are the games and their outcomes But truths are also made to be said! :sad: ...


but you either have it or don't
http://sjl-static2.sjl.youtube.com/vi/sH0Fha6vVGA/2.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0Fha6vVGA)
Jersey is Brazilian, but guy (by its evident lack of intimacy with the ball) is Turkish & the music typically Muslim! :smoking: ...

[Laury84]

Ofcourse Fifa likes S.America. Ever heard of Havelange, president of fifa from 1974 to 1998, and one could say he was the most corrupt president, and following him is his protege Sepp Blatter.

I mean which teams have never gotten screwed by Fifa?

Where did $400,000,000 go from Fifa trust funds right before WC 2002? Which never got investigated. How many people do u think Havelange and Blatter payed to get Brazil the WC that year. And anyone who watched 2002 knew it was rigged.
kk will never understand it....he thinks that the whole football goes around brazil...just like the brazilian players...he didnt understand the WC lesson....

[Fenerliyim]

Lies are made to be said!...

Yet u cant disprove them, cause they are true.



But truths are also made to be said! :sad: ...

Jersey is Brazilian, but guy (by its evident lack of intimacy with the ball) is Turkish & the music typically Muslim! :smoking: ...

ahaha looks like Brazil has a great wonderkid in their hands ahaha

[Vipaman]

But 1st and 3rd (for decades & decades)...

Looks like something just changed :lol:

1st no more after Europe beat South America last week 2-0 ;)

[tdr]

^ yup Brasil is #2 right now

Argentina is still #3.

[Laury84]

^ yup Brasil is #2 right now

Argentina is still #3.
:D

[benfica64]

Brazil was is and always will be better than Argentina.

BRAzil is was and always will be better than Italy

Brazil is your king and you are its servant!

[Vipaman]

Brazil was is and always will be better than Argentina.

BRAzil is was and always will be better than Italy

You forgot to mention Portugal, but maybe because unlike the other two Portugal is never World Champion?



Brazil is your {{portugal's}} king and you {{Portugal}} are its servant!


:lol:

Indeed

[benfica64]

You forgot to mention Portugal, but maybe because unlike the other two Portugal is never World Champion?




:lol:

Indeed

is this what your bitter about?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUzM_HUmkLo


or is it the fact because you got punished by Brazil and then had to witness this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxfNfk_1THY


Jealousy!! its a terrible thing.

[Laury84]

^^^^are u talking about jealousy???Vipaman is not the jealous one here...

[Fenerliyim]

is this what your bitter about?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUzM_HUmkLo


or is it the fact because you got punished by Brazil and then had to witness this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxfNfk_1THY


Jealousy!! its a terrible thing.

congrats on the win, too bad u lost to greece at home when it really counts for the euro 2004 :lol:

Remember:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdUOh_RPlEM

[benfica64]

congrats on the win, too bad u lost to greece at home when it really counts for the euro 2004 :lol:

Remember:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdUOh_RPlEM

True We lost! But We did make it to the finals, Where as many of the other good teams did not. Truth is Portugal played easily good enough to Win but didnt get the goal so there is no shame in losing When you played well. At least Well enough to have Won. I can also Say We made it To the World cup where is greece did not. Portugal aslo played well in the world cup. Losing the final does not in any way shape or form hinder the quality that is Portuguese football, if anything it will boost it.

[benfica64]

Fen If Iam not mistaken Turkey never qualified for the Euro 2004 nor did they qualify for the World cup. I personaly have enjoyed watching Turkey play over some years and like to see them do well but I feel that since your concern is on Portugals achievents you should first look upon your teams performance before anything else.

[Fenerliyim]

Fen If Iam not mistaken Turkey never qualified for the Euro 2004 nor did they qualify for the World cup. I personaly have enjoyed watching Turkey play over some years and like to see them do well but I feel that since your concern is on Portugals achievents you should first look upon your teams performance before anything else.

Well i am not bragging about turkey being the best of the best am i. I never said turkey was the super powers of Europe did i?

[Vipaman]

is this what your bitter about?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUzM_HUmkLo


or is it the fact because you got punished by Brazil and then had to witness this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxfNfk_1THY


Jealousy!! its a terrible thing.

I'm not bitter, nor jealous. I can admit my team is not world class, something that you cannot admit about your team. And I agree with your last statement, you might want to think about it and how it applies to you :ronaldo:

Glad I could be of help Ben.

[Vipaman]

^^^^are u talking about jealousy???Vipaman is not the jealous one here...

Ben doesn't get it yet. He doesn't realize that the only reason why I remind him of his teams insufficiencies is because he keeps running around and bitterly blasting any other team that is better, or has accomplished more than his whenever he get's the opportunity. It's just him getting a dose of his own medicine. Hopefully that makes him a more conscientious poster in the future, but I see all it really has done is got him to trash talk Australia. Some people can't be corrected, but at least he's shown his true colors, which wasn't really hard to do. :lol:

Australia are shrimp in the big wide ocean, right Ben? We suck, right? :lol:

[Vipaman]

True We lost! But We did make it to the finals, Where as many of the other good teams did not. Truth is Portugal played easily good enough to Win but didnt get the goal so there is no shame in losing When you played well. At least Well enough to have Won. I can also Say We made it To the World cup where is greece did not. Portugal aslo played well in the world cup. Losing the final does not in any way shape or form hinder the quality that is Portuguese football, if anything it will boost it.

In reality most people, the world over, don't remember losers. That's the point. You keep going on and on about Greece sucking this or that, but Greece owned you. You keep saying that Portugal played better than France (completely untrue), but France owned you. You don't seem to know when to keep your mouth shut, so people poke fun at that aspect of your insecurity. When you are no longer insecure, people won't point out your contradictions and jealousy ;). Remember "jealousy is a bad thing!" :lol:

And I have nothing to be jealous about btw, I know you'll try to make a cheap pot shot at Australia, but I can accept we're not world class. Can you?

[Vipaman]

Fen If Iam not mistaken Turkey never qualified for the Euro 2004 nor did they qualify for the World cup. I personaly have enjoyed watching Turkey play over some years and like to see them do well but I feel that since your concern is on Portugals achievents you should first look upon your teams performance before anything else.


Correct me if I am wrong. Greece has achieved more than Portugal, yet you still troll them like crazy, and not you are being a hypocrit by telling Fenerliyim to worry about Turkey's achievements. Whas has Portugal seriously won over Turkey? Nothing. Turkey did as well in 2002 as Portugal did in 2006. You guys are about even in terms of achievements in the world cup. What differs between you and Greece is that Greece has won something. So in order for anyone to take you seriously, you should take some of your own advice and stop making pot shots at teams that you are jealous of.

[tdr]

congrats on the win, too bad u lost to greece at home when it really counts for the euro 2004 :lol:

Remember:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdUOh_RPlEM
everybody loses to Greece at one point :hat:

[Fenerliyim]

everybody loses to Greece at one point :hat:

We will see :smoking: :lol:

[tdr]

We will see :smoking: :lol:
Greece won't let their independence day to be ruined. Or so I hear! :hat:

[Hellas40]

Correct me if I am wrong. Greece has achieved more than Portugal, yet you still troll them like crazy, and not you are being a hypocrit by telling Fenerliyim to worry about Turkey's achievements. Whas has Portugal seriously won over Turkey? Nothing. Turkey did as well in 2002 as Portugal did in 2006. You guys are about even in terms of achievements in the world cup. What differs between you and Greece is that Greece has won something. So in order for anyone to take you seriously, you should take some of your own advice and stop making pot shots at teams that you are jealous of.

Well said. He sides with Turkey to get a rise out of Greek fans, and then he bags out the Turks when they are equal in acheivements.
Ive said it before he's a hypocrite full of bitterness and jealousy, and I just laugh everytime he posts something new.
Deep down he knows he is a loser!!!

[tdr]

Well said. He sides with Turkey to get a rise out of Greek fans, and then he bags out the Turks when they are equal in acheivements.
Ive said it before he's a hypocrite full of bitterness and jealousy, and I just laugh everytime he posts something new.
Deep down he knows he is a loser!!!
yeah but he also posted/predicted against Australia :worried:

didn't he Vipaman??

[benfica64]

Correct me if I am wrong. Greece has achieved more than Portugal, yet you still troll them like crazy, and not you are being a hypocrit by telling Fenerliyim to worry about Turkey's achievements. Whas has Portugal seriously won over Turkey? Nothing. Turkey did as well in 2002 as Portugal did in 2006. You guys are about even in terms of achievements in the world cup. What differs between you and Greece is that Greece has won something. So in order for anyone to take you seriously, you should take some of your own advice and stop making pot shots at teams that you are jealous of.

Correction They havent achieved more in the least. Winning one tittle compared to never having done a damn thing in all their history does not mean crapola. Portugal has achieved more because not only where they in the final of Europe they placed 4th and 3rd in World cups. They have been in the top 10 for almost 10 years they have A much better winning record in Euro and World cups and general tournaments then that of Greece. There club teams have won numerious championships. VIVA Australia!!

[benfica64]

Well said. He sides with Turkey to get a rise out of Greek fans, and then he bags out the Turks when they are equal in acheivements.
Ive said it before he's a hypocrite full of bitterness and jealousy, and I just laugh everytime he posts something new.
Deep down he knows he is a loser!!!

You still upset and angry over the Pana beatings?? Here is a teddy bear for your to hold and feel wanted and loved. (lol) VIVA Benfica!! You now what even if Benfica dosent go all the way and win it, they still went further than all the greek clubs then again NO surprise. Benfica Sempre!!

[benfica64]

yeah but he also posted/predicted against Australia :worried:

didn't he Vipaman??

Dude Australia gets a bad rap they should be ranked along side Portugal at number 8 in the world. VIVA Australia.

[Hellas40]

You still upset and angry over the Pana beatings?? Here is a teddy bear for your to hold and feel wanted and loved. (lol) VIVA Benfica!! You now what even if Benfica dosent go all the way and win it, they still went further than all the greek clubs then again NO surprise. Benfica Sempre!!

Not at all. Its only club football, I really dont get into it that much. You must be real thankful you have two Greek stars on your team, they have heart thats where the Portugese lack, that was the difference in the Euro 2004 final.

[Hellas40]

Correction They havent achieved more in the least. Winning one tittle compared to never having done a damn thing in all their history does not mean crapola. Portugal has achieved more because not only where they in the final of Europe they placed 4th and 3rd in World cups. They have been in the top 10 for almost 10 years they have A much better winning record in Euro and World cups and general tournaments then that of Greece. There club teams have won numerious championships. VIVA Australia!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are hilarious

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Read below little boy

[tdr]

Dude Australia gets a bad rap they should be ranked along side Portugal at number 8 in the world. VIVA Australia.
very true :hat:

[Fenerliyim]

Greece won't let their independence day to be ruined. Or so I hear! :hat:

yea but we will surely enjoy spoiling it

[tdr]

yea but we will surely enjoy spoiling it
you had trouble beating Georgia (you lost 1-0) and i think Greece is better than Georgia

[Vipaman]

yeah but he also posted/predicted against Australia :worried:

didn't he Vipaman??

Don't know, don't care. All I remember is that Benfica used to sing praises about Australia till I set him straight after he started/continued to provoke the Greeks. Now he doesn't like Australia, and so be it. I've never cared about that, but I do find it funny as do so many others that he turned his hatred on Aussies after I defeated his line of reasoning for trolling other countries that owned Portugal in the past :)

[Vipaman]

Correction They havent achieved more in the least. Winning one tittle compared to never having done a damn thing in all their history does not mean crapola.

Correction - winning one title means having CHAMPION by your name at least once, which is more than Portugal can say. You don't see how contradictory your statements are. I ask you again, what has Portugal accomplished? You've responded 3rd place in 1960's and 4th place this year. I asked, how is an accomplishment 40 years ago in any way relevant to today when you keep saying that a championship 3 years ago is nothing? Again you contradict yourself. You're full of contradictions, and when that fails you insult and make things personal. Now you've added Australia onto the list of teams to trash talk, so be it. It just shows your true colors. Have fun trolling the Aussies on this forum too now.

[Vipaman]

you had trouble beating Georgia (you lost 1-0) and i think Greece is better than Georgia

Turkey tied Italy 1-1 not too long ago didn't they? :hat:

[tdr]

Correction - winning one title means having CHAMPION by your name at least once, which is more than Portugal can say. You don't see how contradictory your statements are. I ask you again, what has Portugal accomplished? You've responded 3rd place in 1960's and 4th place this year. I asked, how is an accomplishment 40 years ago in any way relevant to today when you keep saying that a championship 3 years ago is nothing? Again you contradict yourself. You're full of contradictions, and when that fails you insult and make things personal.
http://www.billsaddiction.com/images/smilies/lowblow.gifowned


Now you've added Australia onto the list of teams to trash talk, so be it. It just shows your true colors. Have fun trolling the Aussies on this forum too now.
Now?? (just now)

[tdr]

Turkey tied Italy 1-1 not too long ago didn't they? :hat:
Italy bearly tied Lithuania, and Turkey got owned by Georgia (lost 1-0) didn't they?? http://www.billsaddiction.com/images/smilies/jj.gif

[Vipaman]

Nah, not just now, but recently. It's been about as long as I keep explaining to him to leave the Greeks and other teams alone with his trolls since his team hasn't really done much more in terms of achievments. Let's just all enjoy his future insults, in so far as they get him more warnings :D

[tdr]

Nah, not just now, but recently.
i see


It's been about as long as I keep explaining to him to leave the Greeks and other teams alone with his trolls since his team hasn't really done much more in terms of achievments.
was this around the time Denmark beat Australia?


Let's just all enjoy his future insults, in so far as they get him more warnings :D
his provokers might get the same

[Vipaman]

Italy bearly tied Lithuania, and Turkey got owned by Georgia (lost 1-0) didn't they?? http://www.billsaddiction.com/images/smilies/jj.gif


I saw that game you are talking about, both of them actually. Lithuania got one shot in that game and I think they were down in possesion something like 30% of the game and weren't Italy using a team with like 3 of their world cup players? Lot's of big teams lose or tie other teams. Didn't portugal lose to Denmark recently, then beat Brazil? Does that mean Denmark is better than Brazil? I hope so, because then our recent loss to Denmark means that we're as good as Brazil too :lol:

Woo HOOOO Australia is better than Brazil :D :D :D Yippeee :dance:

[benfica64]

i see


was this around the time Denmark beat Australia?


his provokers might get the same

yes it was around the time Denmark smoked em. Then Brazil carved them up nice and good. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Vipaman]

i see


was this around the time Denmark beat Australia?


his provokers might get the same

Humetu, you seem to be a person of relatively good intelligence. So then, why don't you do a little search and answer your question? I have 260+ posts to my name and it wouldn't be hard to negate your own questions here and notice that it was much earlier that what you are suggesting now. It was much prior to anytime anything happened between Australia and anyone else. I've never been fond of his posting style, and that is true.

Now, if you are trying to say what I think you're trying to say I could make an argument that you are provoking me. So then, where would this line of reasoning stop? You tell me Humetu.

Cheers!

[Vipaman]

yes it was around the time Denmark smoked em. Then Brazil carved them up nice and good. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now you are lying. You've only insulted Australia when I pointd out that Portugal has never achieved anything in response to your trolls of the Greeks. That's when it started. Must I dig up some references?

Another correction, Australia got smoked by Denmark a few weeks ago. Brazil beat Australia a few months ago. Get your timeline correct, will ya? ;)

[tdr]

I saw that game you are talking about, both of them actually. Lithuania got one shot in that game and I think they were down in possesion something like 30% of the game and weren't Italy using a team with like 3 of their world cup players?
Are you sure that you watched Italia vs. Lithuania match?? :lol: One chance for Lithuania?? You watched Georgia vs. Turkey?? Let me guess Georgia had one chance, 30% possesion and scored?? ;)

The game Lithuania played against Italia was qualification game for Euro 2008 (important game in other words) (best available players play, also a team that is worth of being called #1 in the world should beat Lithuania at home)

BTW (team Italia used against Lithuania):
1 Gianluigi Buffon (G)
6 Andrea Barzagli (D)
5 Fabio Cannavaro (D)
3 Fabio Grosso (D)
22 Massimo Oddo (D)
4 Daniele de Rossi (M)
8 Ivan Gennaro Gattuso (M)
20 Simone Perrotta (M)
21 Andrea Pirlo (M)
10 Antonio Cassano (S)
9 Filippo Inzaghi (S)


Subs:
M Marchionni for D de Rossi (61)
A Gilardino for S Perrotta (72)
D Di Michele for F Inzaghi (86)

From what i have seen (most of first half) and a bit of second half Italy should be glad that they tied Lithuania. (it could have been 3-0 for Lithuania in the first half)

[Vipaman]

Are you sure that you watched Italia vs. Lithuania match?? :lol: One chance for Lithuania?? You watched Georgia vs. Turkey?? Let me guess Georgia had one chance, 30% possesion and scored?? ;)


No, I was talking about Turkey game vs Italy and both goals in that game were junko, both teams played poor.



The game Lithuania played against Italia was qualification game for Euro 2008 (important game in other words) (best available players play, also a team that is worth of being called #1 in the world should beat Lithuania at home)

Sure, ask me if I care too ;)



BTW (team Italia used against Lithuania):
1 Gianluigi Buffon (G)
6 Andrea Barzagli (D)
5 Fabio Cannavaro (D)
3 Fabio Grosso (D)
22 Massimo Oddo (D)
4 Daniele de Rossi (M)
8 Ivan Gennaro Gattuso (M)
20 Simone Perrotta (M)
21 Andrea Pirlo (M)
10 Antonio Cassano (S)
9 Filippo Inzaghi (S)


Subs:
M Marchionni for D de Rossi (61)
A Gilardino for S Perrotta (72)
D Di Michele for F Inzaghi (86)

From what i have seen (most of first half) and a bit of second half Italy should be glad that they tied Lithuania. (it could have been 3-0 for Lithuania in the first half)

Lithuania had one shot on net from what I remember, and I think Inzaghi hit the post twice? I remember it was one sided in Lithuania's end, but for your sake ok Lithuania is better. Happy?

Georgia is better than Turkey too. Denmark is better than Australia. Portugal is better than Brazil, or is it the other way around? Just let me know.

[Vipaman]

Humetu, what is the point of this again? Just curious.

[tdr]

Humetu, you seem to be a person of relatively good intelligence.
http://www.billsaddiction.com/images/smilies/dead.gifare you joking?? (take out word "good" and you might describe my intelligence)



So then, why don't you do a little search and answer your question? I have 260+ posts to my name and it wouldn't be hard to negate your own questions here and notice that it was much earlier that what you are suggesting now.
hmm


It was much prior to anytime anything happened between Australia and anyone else.
hmm



I've never been fond of his posting style, and that is true.
it's just a style, we all have our own styles



Now, if you are trying to say what I think you're trying to say I could make an argument that you are provoking me.
http://www.billsaddiction.com/images/smilies/lmao.gif



So then, where would this line of reasoning stop?
right at the place where it started (at same instant)



You tell me Humetu.
i just did



Cheers!
http://www.billsaddiction.com/images/smilies/pint.gif

thanks

[tdr]

Humetu, what is the point of this again? Just curious.
point of my previous post??

i was hoping you would understand since most people here are relatively of good intelligence (excluding Huso)

the point of this

Are you sure that you watched Italia vs. Lithuania match?? :lol: One chance for Lithuania?? You watched Georgia vs. Turkey?? Let me guess Georgia had one chance, 30% possesion and scored?? ;)

The game Lithuania played against Italia was qualification game for Euro 2008 (important game in other words) (best available players play, also a team that is worth of being called #1 in the world should beat Lithuania at home)

BTW (team Italia used against Lithuania):
1 Gianluigi Buffon (G)
6 Andrea Barzagli (D)
5 Fabio Cannavaro (D)
3 Fabio Grosso (D)
22 Massimo Oddo (D)
4 Daniele de Rossi (M)
8 Ivan Gennaro Gattuso (M)
20 Simone Perrotta (M)
21 Andrea Pirlo (M)
10 Antonio Cassano (S)
9 Filippo Inzaghi (S)


Subs:
M Marchionni for D de Rossi (61)
A Gilardino for S Perrotta (72)
D Di Michele for F Inzaghi (86)

From what i have seen (most of first half) and a bit of second half Italy should be glad that they tied Lithuania. (it could have been 3-0 for Lithuania in the first half)

...is that Italy used the best squad they could find (and that it was qualification game for Euro 2008 and important game) where Italy bearly survived against Lithuania at home

...Italia is not 100% locked that they will qualify from their group due to this

also this post was a response to your previous post (on how only three WC Italia players played etc)

hope that helped

[tdr]

Georgia is better than Turkey too. Denmark is better than Australia. Portugal is better than Brazil, or is it the other way around? Just let me know.
If you are asking me i would say those were friendly games.

But Georgia vs. Turkey was important friendly where Turks (due to relationship between these two countries) wanted the win (and they lost).

Australia losing to Denmark (at home) is really embarassing. And I would say that Denmark was a better team before the match and after. (possible during)

Portugal beating Brasil?? Is not like Portugal is champ of the world. The game meant nothing. It's false sense of hope for Portugal. The game was boring to death, a real stinker of the game....and Portugal is not better then Brasil just because they won this friendly.

[Vipaman]

If you are asking me i would say those were friendly games.

But Georgia vs. Turkey was important friendly where Turks (due to relationship between these two countries) wanted the win (and they lost).

Australia losing to Denmark (at home) is really embarassing.

Small correction, it was in the UK...not really our home ;)

But you would say: "I would say those are friendly games". Indeed they are friendly, and Denmark smoked us. Happy?



And I would say that Denmark was a better team before the match and after. (possible during)

I would say the same thing. Denmark has been awefully consistent lately, even beating Portugal 4-2 last September, which you said was no big deal. Since we're not the greatest, Australia that is, then it is a big deal? I suppose so. I'm happy we lost to a great team in the end.



Portugal beating Brasil?? Is not like Portugal is champ of the world. The game meant nothing. It's false sense of hope for Portugal. The game was boring to death, a real stinker of the game....and Portugal is not better then Brasil just because they won this friendly.

Ok, that's sort of what I was thinking too. In fact, I watched the game and I thought that Brazil looked like the better team too, even if it were their B team. Portugal capitalized on their attacks though, so I guess this will make Ben happy to say that they deserved the win ;)

[Vipaman]

point of my previous post??

i was hoping you would understand since most people here are relatively of good intelligence (excluding Huso)

the point of this


...is that Italy used the best squad they could find (and that it was qualification game for Euro 2008 and important game) where Italy bearly survived against Lithuania at home

You've said that a few times, but I guess we'll have to see it from different angles. I mean, hitting the post twice and only getting one shot on net, for me, hardly means barely surviving. I agree with you though, I was shocked that Italy didn't beat Lithuania. I don't understand your reasoning though, that was one game just like Denmark beating Portugal, in a European qualifier too was one game. How does the criteria change depending on which team plays?



...Italia is not 100% locked that they will qualify from their group due to this

also this post was a response to your previous post (on how only three WC Italia players played etc)

hope that helped

Ok, maybe I forgot how many players they used but since some of their best players were missing, like Brazil's recent match I thought it was relevant. Answer me this though, Italy lost to France and France lost to Scotland, so is Scotland guaranteed to qualify? That seems to be what you're saying with Turkey, Georgia, and Greece is concerened.

[tdr]

Small correction, it was in the UK...not really our home ;)
why have really part in there??



But you would say: "I would say those are friendly games". Indeed they are friendly, and Denmark smoked us. Happy?
No i would have liked that you beat those Danes.


I would say the same thing. Denmark has been awfully consistent lately,

they lost to America (USA) (Australia did better at the world cup ;) ;) )


even beating Portugal 4-2 last September, which you said was no big deal.
losing to Danes in a friendly is not a big deal but losing to them (or drawing against them) in a qualifcation or WC or Euro match is a very big deal


Since we're not the greatest, Australia that is, then it is a big deal?I suppose so. I'm happy we lost to a great team in the end.
i don't get your logic! Denmark is not a great team (rather mid quality :D )



Ok, that's sort of what I was thinking too. In fact, I watched the game and I thought that Brazil looked like the better team too, even if it were their B team. Portugal capitalized on their attacks though, so I guess this will make Ben happy to say that they deserved the win ;)
i wouldn't say Brasil looked better

Portugal looked better (out of the two).

[Vipaman]

why have really part in there??


Australia losing to Denmark (at home) is really embarassing.


That game was in the UK BTW. UK is not really our home.

Is the UK our home? Yes or no?



No i would have liked that you beat those Danes.

Yeah, would have been nice. Too bad it didn't happen. I didn't lose sleep over it though ;)



they lost to America (USA) (Australia did better at the world cup ;) ;) )

Yep, but things aren't that circular in soccer now are they, otherwise you have to say that Scotland are the best in the world or at least a top team because they beat France in October who beat Italy in September. Do things really work that way, really?

Denmark also beat Portugal, who beat Brazil. Is Denmark now better than Brazil? ;)



losing to Danes in a friendly is not a big deal but losing to them (or drawing against them) in a qualifcation or WC or Euro match is a very big deal

I agree somewhat I suppose. Denmark's bigger victory was the 4-2 win vs Portugal, but I still would have liked for my team to have competed better against the Danes in that friendly in the UK. ;)



i don't get your logic! Denmark is not a great team (rather mid quality :D )

Scotland isn't that great either.



i wouldn't say Brasil looked better

Portugal looked better (out of the two).

Not my opinion, but good to see we can disagree without getting personal :D

[Vipaman]

Ok kids, I must leave you now. Adelaide is about to take on Melbourn for the A-League trophy. The BEST trophy in the world! :lol: I must now go and see which Brazilian is better, the one for Adelaide or the one for Melbourne.

You know that you've made the big league when you say you have lifted the Hyudai A League Trophy :D

[benfica64]

http://www.billsaddiction.com/images/smilies/dead.gifare you joking?? (take out word "good" and you might describe my intelligence)


hmm

hmm




http://www.billsaddiction.com/images/smilies/lmao.gif



right at the place where it started (at same instant)


i just did


http://www.billsaddiction.com/images/smilies/pint.gif

thanks


True Bro we all have are own styles, he just thinks his is above everyone elses's.

[tdr]

You've said that a few times, but I guess we'll have to see it from different angles. I mean, hitting the post twice and only getting one shot on net, for me, hardly means barely surviving. I agree with you though, I was shocked that Italy didn't beat Lithuania. I don't understand your reasoning though, that was one game just like Denmark beating Portugal, in a European qualifier too was one game. How does the criteria change depending on which team plays?
my reasoning is that Lithuania is very bad (worse than for example Denmark)

i wasn't the one who said anything about Denmark vs. Portugal match and i'm not familiar with it (but i'm familiar with the teams]

tell me where was the match? home or away? (for Denmark)


Ok, maybe I forgot how many players they used but since some of their best players were missing, like Brazil's recent match I thought it was relevant.
those players you saw in Brasil's match are the players their coach will be using in future (with addition of few young guns)



Answer me this though, Italy lost to France and France lost to Scotland, so is Scotland guaranteed to qualify?
Ok let me digest this.

France beat Italy (3-1 at home)
Scotland beat France (1-0 at home)

and the question is "is Scotland guaranteed to qualify?"

No i said Italy is not guaranteed to qualify because they lost points on Lithuania. [and No Scotland is not guaranteed to qualify, maybe they are if they win againts Italy and France two times :) )


That seems to be what you're saying with Turkey, Georgia, and Greece is concerened.
Georgia?? i don't know where are you getting this

but i hope you are wrong about Turkey and Greece :D (right now it looks like they are guaranteed to qualify but NO if Norway has something to say...down the line my not so mid quality team will come to into play...hopefully)

[tdr]

Ok kids, I must leave you now. Adelaide is about to take on Melbourn for the A-League trophy. The BEST trophy in the world! :lol: I must now go and see which Brazilian is better, the one for Adelaide or the one for Melbourne.

You know that you've made the big league when you say you have lifted the Hyudai A League Trophy :D
Cheers http://www.billsaddiction.com/images/smilies/beerbang.gif

[Laury84]

Ben doesn't get it yet. He doesn't realize that the only reason why I remind him of his teams insufficiencies is because he keeps running around and bitterly blasting any other team that is better, or has accomplished more than his whenever he get's the opportunity. It's just him getting a dose of his own medicine. Hopefully that makes him a more conscientious poster in the future, but I see all it really has done is got him to trash talk Australia. Some people can't be corrected, but at least he's shown his true colors, which wasn't really hard to do. :lol:

Australia are shrimp in the big wide ocean, right Ben? We suck, right? :lol:
the problem is that 3/4 of the members here are only jealous...and for this reason they say shits about the others....wow...wonder what kind of culture and values there are around the world...:rolleyes:

[Laury84]

Dude Australia gets a bad rap they should be ranked along side Portugal at number 8 in the world. VIVA Australia.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Laury84]

Turkey tied Italy 1-1 not too long ago didn't they? :hat:
yes...it was a friendly

[Laury84]

Are you sure that you watched Italia vs. Lithuania match?? :lol: One chance for Lithuania?? You watched Georgia vs. Turkey?? Let me guess Georgia had one chance, 30% possesion and scored?? ;)

The game Lithuania played against Italia was qualification game for Euro 2008 (important game in other words) (best available players play, also a team that is worth of being called #1 in the world should beat Lithuania at home)

BTW (team Italia used against Lithuania):
1 Gianluigi Buffon (G)
6 Andrea Barzagli (D)
5 Fabio Cannavaro (D)
3 Fabio Grosso (D)
22 Massimo Oddo (D)
4 Daniele de Rossi (M)
8 Ivan Gennaro Gattuso (M)
20 Simone Perrotta (M)
21 Andrea Pirlo (M)
10 Antonio Cassano (S)
9 Filippo Inzaghi (S)


Subs:
M Marchionni for D de Rossi (61)
A Gilardino for S Perrotta (72)
D Di Michele for F Inzaghi (86)

From what i have seen (most of first half) and a bit of second half Italy should be glad that they tied Lithuania. (it could have been 3-0 for Lithuania in the first half)
but what kind of game hav u seen stace?!?!?!?CMON!!!U CANNOT SAY THAT THEY PLAYED BETTER THAN US!!u're ridiculous...how can u say that???watch an entire game and then speak.

[Laury84]

my reasoning is that Lithuania is very bad (worse than for example Denmark)

i wasn't the one who said anything about Denmark vs. Portugal match and i'm not familiar with it (but i'm familiar with the teams]

tell me where was the match? home or away? (for Denmark)

those players you saw in Brasil's match are the players their coach will be using in future (with addition of few young guns)


Ok let me digest this.

France beat Italy (3-1 at home)
Scotland beat France (1-0 at home)

and the question is "is Scotland guaranteed to qualify?"

No i said Italy is not guaranteed to qualify because they lost points on Lithuania. [and No Scotland is not guaranteed to qualify, maybe they are if they win againts Italy and France two times :) )

Georgia?? i don't know where are you getting this

but i hope you are wrong about Turkey and Greece :D (right now it looks like they are guaranteed to qualify but NO if Norway has something to say...down the line my not so mid quality team will come to into play...hopefully)
do u know the real reason why we lost those games?!?!?!I dont think so.....

[benfica64]

point of my previous post??

i was hoping you would understand since most people here are relatively of good intelligence (excluding Huso)

the point of this


...is that Italy used the best squad they could find (and that it was qualification game for Euro 2008 and important game) where Italy bearly survived against Lithuania at home

...Italia is not 100% locked that they will qualify from their group due to this

also this post was a response to your previous post (on how only three WC Italia players played etc)

hope that helped

Yes Italy used there best squad and couldnt beat Lituania and in fact are lucky they didnt out right lose.

[Panathinaikos2]

Ever since Benfica joined SFN there has been nothing but fights everyday. Benfica should be banned from this forum as he is nothing but a sore loser who attacks Italians and Greeks every day! Why is Benfica even alowed to post in this site? Most of the fighting in SFN is caused by Benfica yet he is allowed to continue posting here???

[Hellas40]

Yes Italy used there best squad and couldnt beat Lituania and in fact are lucky they didnt out right lose.

Im sure Italy will qualify for Euro 2008. So what they dropped 2 pts to Lithuania, they will still qualify. Italy are a class act 4 WC titles and a Euro, they know what it takes to win.........unlike other teams :lol: :lol:

[Panathinaikos2]

you had trouble beating Georgia (you lost 1-0) and i think Greece is better than GeorgiaYes but that was only a friendly so it doesn't really matter much.

[Laury84]

Ever since Benfica joined SFN there has been nothing but fights everyday. Benfica should be banned from this forum as he is nothing but a sore loser who attacks Italians and Greeks every day! Why is Benfica even alowed to post in this site? Most of the fighting in SFN is caused by Benfica yet he is allowed to continue posting here???
until the mods find him funny he'll stay here....

[bLaCknbLuE4LiFe]

Ever since Benfica joined SFN there has been nothing but fights everyday. Benfica should be banned from this forum as he is nothing but a sore loser who attacks Italians and Greeks every day! Why is Benfica even alowed to post in this site? Most of the fighting in SFN is caused by Benfica yet he is allowed to continue posting here???


i been reading all this.... it takes 2 to tango.. when some offends his nation he tries to defend it.... everyone just being little kids and starting a war about this nation is this and that nation is that... about time we all grow up and stop attacking others countries and and races.. it will be alot better place.... like i said 2 to tango takes one comment and then a reply for it to turn into a continuing thing

[benfica64]

:lol:
until the mods find him funny he'll stay here....

Wow Laury welcome back that was a quick recovery from the scene you made with KK about leaving SFN :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nice to see you back.

[benfica64]

i been reading all this.... it takes 2 to tango.. when some offends his nation he tries to defend it.... everyone just being little kids and starting a war about this nation is this and that nation is that... about time we all grow up and stop attacking others countries and and races.. it will be alot better place.... like i said 2 to tango takes one comment and then a reply for it to turn into a continuing thing

A honest post Black and I agree I will admit I have made comments that though not with any profanity what so ever could have been said in a different manner, however it would never go to that avenue if some posters on here didnt also say what shouldnt have been said. Yes Black takes 2 to tango. I wouldnt mind having a tango with some sweet charming gurl oh say like emode. She is just a sweetheart of a person and really one of the nicest people on this forum along with others.

[Langbaard]

At least she is not, at this our of night, at the corner nearby my house, loitering under the lamp posts in order to get the milk for the children!...

How about yours, LANG?! ....

Man, you are a sad person, been throwing comments at me since your 1st post, where you judge me as a person and completely ignoring the discussion or message.

You simply can't wait to prove me wrong, the post concerning the map is just another example how eager you are to 'tell me a lesson' , because you can't stand being told the simple truth by a few youngsters, you've made a complete fool out of yourself in the Brazil - Portugal thread, it's obvious even how desperately you try to show otherwise :lol:. And you still failed to do so, man it's must be annoying the shit out of you :lol:

It's funny how a man of your age is still so easily agitated, I never said anything about the person King Kong and proved my right by facts, you never ever replied on the facts and avoid discussion by ridiculous pictures, failed attempts at comedy and pissing everyone off with your clouded image of reality. All you want to hear is great things about Brazil, even when the topic is completely irrelevant you want to hear praise, like other people mention, if you truly are the best, one would know and facts speak for themselves, but you need to show everyone in their face with your pityful statistics and use them when it's in your advantage only, now where's the logic in that ?

You are lucky I wasn't completely sober last night or I would have butchered you easily, you should be glad I kept it at such remarks and YET still you come up with a smart ass comment.

I don't make these pathetic comments, saying shit about your life, my intelligence or family even for that matter, I talk football and facts, and don't see the need to badmouth your family, or history, or intelligence, yet because you have nothing to prove you go down to such a low level ? at your age ?

Anyone with some good observation can see them, not only to me, but other members you often have a double message included and are a very disrespectful man, at your age to consider.

When you are confrontend, you act like your a saint and have a very, very selective memory, grow the hell up King Kong, I shouldn't have to say this to a man above 50, but unfortunately I have.

Last night I was fed up with trying to stay mr. friendly and went down to your pathetic level, because even how much sense people told you, you simply ignore it and expect other people to treat you otherwise ??

The message is clear, you don't want to get personal with me, stick to discussion and don't dare to ever speak beyond your knowledge, or about my family for that matter, I can go down to your level, which I did yesterday with that message, but that was nothing yet, I know how you play King Kong, it's really sad.

[Fenerliyim]

you had trouble beating Georgia (you lost 1-0) and i think Greece is better than Georgia

check turkey's past friendly record, we have never played good at friendlies. We beat Georgia 4-1 during the last WCQ game.

[tdr]

check turkey's past friendly record, we have never played good at friendlies. We beat Georgia 4-1 during the last WCQ game.
no you drew 1-1 against them at home the last WCQ game

[Panathinaikos2]

check turkey's past friendly record, we have never played good at friendlies. We beat Georgia 4-1 during the last WCQ game.Yes friendlies don't really mean anything. Greece is also not very good at friendlies yet we are winning all our games in Euro qualifying.

[tdr]

Yes friendlies don't really mean anything. Greece is also not very good at friendlies yet we are winning all our games in Euro qualifying.
don't get ahead of yourself the only quality win you got is against Norway, where you won 1-0 at home. (Bosnia was already in shamebles by the time you beat them (us) )

[benfica64]

Ever since Benfica joined SFN there has been nothing but fights everyday. Benfica should be banned from this forum as he is nothing but a sore loser who attacks Italians and Greeks every day! Why is Benfica even alowed to post in this site? Most of the fighting in SFN is caused by Benfica yet he is allowed to continue posting here???

Dude you need to get a life!!!! What B.S your writing!!! Would you like me too pull out some off your delightful posts??? Have you ever seen some of the hateful Garbage you have posted on these forums? How many times Have you insulted not only me but portuguese people in general you seem to forget the good ol days where you would constantly post pics of Portugal losing and Ronaldo crying after the game to provoke and slander the Portuguese. Then you expect me not to say any thing negative about Greece??? Ask yourself why are "" YOU"" allowed to be on these forums??? You also love attacking the Albanians in this forums with much hatred and rude comments towards them. Mr saint for every post you can pull on me about talking negative about the greek team I can also show the exact same on you trashing Portugal and its people. That is right now come on here telling me oh but oh I did it because you started it blah blah blah!! yeah I started it! (right) what ever turns you on.

[Panathinaikos2]

double post..

[Panathinaikos2]

How many times Have you insulted not only me but portuguese people in general you seem to forget the good ol days where you would constantly post pics of Portugal losing and Ronaldo crying after the game to provoke and slander the Portuguese.I don't know what your smoking man but I never posted pics of Ronaldo crying.

[Panathinaikos2]

Dude you need to get a life!!!!No you should be getting a life since all you do is post perverted posts to female members you don't even know behind your computer.

[Panathinaikos2]

edited..

[Panathinaikos2]

You also love attacking the Albanians in this forums with much hatred and rude comments towards them.What rude comments and hatred? I debated with the Albanians on the issue of Epirus and Alexander the Great. I never insulted them! You're the one who always adds oil to the fire whenever the Greeks and Albanians start fighting over some political issue even though you know nothing about the Balkans!

[Panathinaikos2]

double post

[benfica64]

What rude comments and hatred? I debated with the Albanians on the issue of Epirus and Alexander the Great. I never insulted them! You're the one who always adds oil to the fire whenever the Greeks and Albanians start fighting over some political issue even though you know nothing about the Balkans!

You want me to seriously ask the albanians if they feel you never insulted them???? hahahahaha!!! do you really need me to bring out posts inwhich you have insulted them??? Look dude go play like you havent a clue what year where in with some one else.

[benfica64]

No you should be getting a life since all you do is post perverted posts to female members you don't even know behind your computer.


Hahahahaha!!! Now this really cracks me up??? are you refering to the jokes I have made with emode?? hahahaha!! yeah go ask her if she got real offended. Hahahahaha!! also ask cherry whom I dont see on here anymore. You seriously crack me up.

[tdr]

Pana you really have trouble with that double posting. What seems to be the problem??

[benfica64]

Pana you really have trouble with that double posting. What seems to be the problem??

Stace you know what the deal is? HEs trying to work the tiny thing and type and same time.

[Notes]

Stace you know what the deal is? HEs trying to work the tiny thing and type and same time.

You mean he is playing with his acorn and his keyboard?

[Notes]

I don't know what your smoking man but I never posted pics of Ronaldo crying.

Are we allowed to advertise in our signatures in here? Who is DJ Vagelis? and what is www.PimpTextLive.com ?

[Port Wine]

Guys, stop the fighting.

Right now, I'd say we're at about Kindergarden level in terms of meaningless discussions.

Stop bashing people's nations, clubs and fellow members on SFN.

There are no winners in these endless fights.

[Panathinaikos2]

You want me to seriously ask the albanians if they feel you never insulted them???? hahahahaha!!! do you really need me to bring out posts inwhich you have insulted them??? Look dude go play like you havent a clue what year where in with some one else.I never offended any of the Albanians and if they feel offended by me becuase I post the truth then that's their problem.

[Panathinaikos2]

Are we allowed to advertise in our signatures in here? Who is DJ Vagelis? and what is www.PimpTextLive.com ?I am DJ Vagelis and no I wasn't trying to advertise. The url just came with my sig automaticly.

[tdr]

I am DJ Vagelis and no I wasn't trying to advertise. The url just came with my sig automaticly.
BTW it's over the 400 by 75 limit

http://img101.mytextgraphics.com/pimptextlive/2007/02/17/8be58cc1c38d78e49cb049168f84010e.gif

[Laury84]

Man, you are a sad person, been throwing comments at me since your 1st post, where you judge me as a person and completely ignoring the discussion or message.

You simply can't wait to prove me wrong, the post concerning the map is just another example how eager you are to 'tell me a lesson' , because you can't stand being told the simple truth by a few youngsters, you've made a complete fool out of yourself in the Brazil - Portugal thread, it's obvious even how desperately you try to show otherwise :lol:. And you still failed to do so, man it's must be annoying the shit out of you :lol:

It's funny how a man of your age is still so easily agitated, I never said anything about the person King Kong and proved my right by facts, you never ever replied on the facts and avoid discussion by ridiculous pictures, failed attempts at comedy and pissing everyone off with your clouded image of reality. All you want to hear is great things about Brazil, even when the topic is completely irrelevant you want to hear praise, like other people mention, if you truly are the best, one would know and facts speak for themselves, but you need to show everyone in their face with your pityful statistics and use them when it's in your advantage only, now where's the logic in that ?

You are lucky I wasn't completely sober last night or I would have butchered you easily, you should be glad I kept it at such remarks and YET still you come up with a smart ass comment.

I don't make these pathetic comments, saying shit about your life, my intelligence or family even for that matter, I talk football and facts, and don't see the need to badmouth your family, or history, or intelligence, yet because you have nothing to prove you go down to such a low level ? at your age ?

Anyone with some good observation can see them, not only to me, but other members you often have a double message included and are a very disrespectful man, at your age to consider.

When you are confrontend, you act like your a saint and have a very, very selective memory, grow the hell up King Kong, I shouldn't have to say this to a man above 50, but unfortunately I have.

Last night I was fed up with trying to stay mr. friendly and went down to your pathetic level, because even how much sense people told you, you simply ignore it and expect other people to treat you otherwise ??

The message is clear, you don't want to get personal with me, stick to discussion and don't dare to ever speak beyond your knowledge, or about my family for that matter, I can go down to your level, which I did yesterday with that message, but that was nothing yet, I know how you play King Kong, it's really sad.
wow what can I say...he's not speaking anymore....:)

[Laury84]

Guys, stop the fighting.

Right now, I'd say we're at about Kindergarden level in terms of meaningless discussions.

Stop bashing people's nations, clubs and fellow members on SFN.

There are no winners in these endless fights.
too late port....and interesting see u come when Portugal is involved :rolleyes:

[benfica64]

You mean he is playing with his acorn and his keyboard?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


long live da QUEEN!! :lol: :lol:

[benfica64]

Are we allowed to advertise in our signatures in here? Who is DJ Vagelis? and what is www.PimpTextLive.com ?

True, I thought it was against SFN rules to have any kind of advertising on here???. ALso like Stace mentioned that sig takes like half a page??

[Panathinaikos2]

True, I thought it was against SFN rules to have any kind of advertising on here???.I have already explained this and as for the size I will just make it shorter...

[Fenerliyim]

lol i c kk closed the other thread cause he was going down bad

[benfica64]

Too Bad it was one groovy thread.

[kingkong]

lol i c kk closed the other thread cause he was going down badDon't be a 'truth knocker'!... :lol: :

I don't close threads (don't even know how to)!...

Nor I know who did it!...

I'd really like to know, though!...

Besides, who were being 'spanked' over there were you :ronaldo: ...

Also, I don't ban people or delete posts, EVER: for me that's not 'moding', that's 'abuse of power'...

I generally 'delete posts' by logically 'erasing' them with...ideas! :lol:

Why would I ban or erase them, if they are fuel to my 'slaughtering' you (& Co?) :ronaldo: ...

And at that I have been VERY successful! :sad: ...

Sorry, kid!...

[Bosanac]

Holicman closed that thread due to excessive insults. Please, control yourselves, kingkong and benfica. I don't want to have to close this thread.


If this thread continues on the same path as that one though, I will.

[tdr]

Friend KK have you gone Mad?? (why such enourmous letters?) is what some might say

i think it's easier to read that way:)

[kingkong]

Friend KK have you gone Mad?? (why such enourmous letters?) is what some might say

i think it's easier to read that way:)
OK Stace, back to font 2! You deserve consideration, bud! ;) ...

[tdr]

OK Stace, back to font 2! You deserve consideration, bud! ;) ...
yeah people are scared of red colored big fonts :drum:

[Panathinaikos2]

By the way King Kong. Why do you think Brazil is so much better than Italy when both Italy and Brazil are tied in wins and draws?

[kingkong]

By the way King Kong. Why do you think Brazil is so much better than Italy when both Italy and Brazil are tied in wins and draws?That's true!...

The only thing is that 1 Brz 'tie' and 1 Brz victory were in a final & they were worth two World Titles for us...

The combined scores of those 2 matches is 10 x 5 (or 5 x 0) to Brazil!...

That 'tie' had a 'weird' score (things of football):...5 x 4 for Brazil! :lol: ...


On the other hand poor Italy never won ANYTHING in a confrontation with Brazil!...

Oh, I forgot: the Miss Universe title of 1956! :ronaldo: ...

[Panathinaikos2]

That's true!...

The only thing is that 1 Brz 'tie' and 1 Brz victory were in a final & they were worth [COLOR=red]two World Titles Yes but whenever Italy defeated Brazil in a world cup Italy ended up winning the cup.

[Panathinaikos2]

On the other hand poor Italy never won ANYTHING in a confrontation with Brazil!... Mabey not but Brazil shure opened the road for Italy to win the world cups whenever Italy defeated Brazil.

[tdr]

Oh, I forgot: the Miss Universe title of 1956! :ronaldo: ...
that might be the tiebreaker

Pictures?? :smoking:

[kingkong]

Mabey not but Brazil shure opened the road for Italy to win the world cups whenever Italy defeated Brazil.That's a totally different story!...

We're talking here about DECISIVE 'head-to-head' confrontations (as your self-declared master Soc likes to 'put')!...

We are not talking here about 'opening roads': we're talking about 'closing coffins'! :rip: ...

'Head-to-head'? :rolleyes: ...

OK!...

But there are 'heads' and 'heads'!...

2 'heads' are like this :

:lol: :ronaldo:

The other 2 are like that:

:sleepy: :yuck:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6703/020303706300219daf5od1.jpg

Two pairs of stones ARE two pair of stones, I agree: but, one, is made out of mere 'pebbles', the other, of DIAMONDS!...

[Panathinaikos2]

What are you talking about? Italy defeated Brazil twice in 1938 and 1982 and they went on to win the cup. Brazil won against Italy 1970 and 1978 and one of the victory resulted in Brazil winning 3rd place. So with 2 of your victories against Italy only one resulted in a world cup title.

[Panathinaikos2]

(as your self-declared master Soc wants to 'put')!...Self declared?? Only you declared that!

[kingkong]

What are you talking about? Italy defeated Brazil twice in 1938 and 1982 and they went on to win the cup. Brazil won against Italy 1970 and 1978 and one of the victory resulted in Brazil winning 3rd place. So with 2 of your victories against Italy only one resulted in a world cup title.Don't get mad! http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/images/icons/icon6.gif ...

The above post is your #1114...

Read my #1113 over, please! ;) ...

'Opening roads' is the expression you yourself used: be honest & deal with it!...

And concede:

'Opening roads' cannot = 'closing coffins' :rip: ...

Brazil had to 'go on' to NOWHERE: ITS FINALS WERE...TERMINAL! :angel: ...

TERMINAL: know what that means?...

REQUIESCAT IN PACEM! :tariq: REVERTERE AD LOCUM TUUM! :amen: ...

BESIDES BRAZIL IS SO SUPERIOR THAT WAS WORLD CHAMPION OVER ITALY EVEN WITH A (5 X 4) 'TIE'! :lol: ...

[benfica64]

Self declared?? Only you declared that!


Brazil are the Kings and you but its puppets!! let me save you the trouble. Portugal are also Brazils puppets!! just alot less than Greece cuss you never beat them eva. Again They the kings except it and move on.

[tdr]

Yes but whenever Italy defeated Brazil in a world cup Italy ended up winning the cup.
hmm that's interesting

[kingkong]

hmm that's interestingThat's way more interesting:

BRAZIL IS SO SUPERIOR THAT WAS WORLD CHAMPION OVER ITALY EVEN WITH A (5 X 4) 'TIE'! :lol: ...

[kingkong]

See, Panat!...

Its not even necessary to 'play friendlies' or 'debate with Soc' (spare him such disgrace):

Brazil & I - already won! :lol: ...

PS: Just kidding: that is a victory of football! http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/images/icons/icon14.gif ...

[benfica64]

That's way more interesting:

BRAZIL IS SO SUPERIOR THAT WAS WORLD CHAMPION OVER ITALY EVEN WITH A (5 X 4) 'TIE'! :lol: ...

Its funny seeing Pana trying to make a case with Italy being as good or better than Brazil. it is to........ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Panathinaikos2]

edit now I know what you mean

[Panathinaikos2]

See, Panat!...

Its not even necessary to 'play friendlies' or 'debate with Soc' (spare him such disgrace):How about instead of making false accusations like you normally do you stick with the topic.

[Panathinaikos2]

That's way more interesting:

BRAZIL IS SO SUPERIOR THAT WAS WORLD CHAMPION OVER ITALY EVEN WITH A (5 X 4) 'TIE'! :lol: ...Yes but that was a tie and FIFA considers it a tie.

[Panathinaikos2]

'Opening roads' is the expression you yourself used: be honest & deal with it!...

And concede:

'Opening roads' cannot = 'closing coffins' :rip: ...

Brazil had to 'go on' to NOWHERE: ITS FINALS WERE...TERMINAL! :angel: ... I understand completley what you mean but it seems, as history says, whenever Italy is defeats Brazil in a world cup Italy wins the world cup whereas in the 2 games Brazil defeated Italy in, Brazil only won the world cup once.

[Panathinaikos2]

Brazil had to 'go on' to NOWHERE: ITS FINALS WERE...TERMINAL! :angel: ... That doesn't mean anything. That just means Brazil didn't have to win any extra games in order to win the cup since they have already won it where as Italy who had knocked out Brazil earlier out of the competition had to also win against all the other strong opponents of the cup and then at the end Italy finally wins it. Besides final games aren't always more competetive than the knock out round games.

[kingkong]

Yes but that was a tie and FIFA considers it a tie ;)OK, a tie!...

A tie that represented a 'world title' though (totally referended by FIFA as well)!...

If you want to postulate a fair 'head-to-head' btw Brazil and Italy - & affirm they are rigorously tied - you have to present to me a tie in a final that would represent a 'world title' for Italy...

That simple fact (among others not necessary to point out here) gives us the edge...

And I won't even comment that in 1938 we played Italy at Italy's home, without our main player - a genius named Leônidas da Silva (the inventor of the 'bicycle', one of the 3 best strikers of all times) - in a highly 'suspicious' game (Leônidas would have been given money not to play); and that in 1982 Italy's fair victory was considered one of the XXth century's 'great football surprises'...

And also the fact that's enough to see Brazilian players and Italians playing to see who has more intimacy with the game...

[Panathinaikos2]

OK, a tie!...

A tie that represented a 'world title' though (totally referended by FIFA as well)!...

If you want to postulate a fair 'head-to-head' btw Brazil and Italy - & affirm they are rigorously tied - you have to present to me a tie that resulted in a 'world title' for Italy...Yes but that doesn't mean that Brazil defeated Italy to win the cup now does it. Howevor when Brazil does defeat Italy only once did Brazil win the world cup while all of Italy's victories over Brazil resulted in world cup tropheys.

[Vipaman]

Don't get mad! http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/images/icons/icon6.gif ...

Pana I warn you, if you get King Kong mad by not agreeing with everything he says he will call you names, or call you a liar, or if you have a girlfriend or wife he'll insult them. Whenever he can't argue facts, he changes arguments, lies and calls names. I find it quite curious that someone over 50 would do that. I'm also flattered that King Kong has now turned his attention on me in almost all of his posts. I guess the opinion of a small 'shrimp' like his puppy has declared is of the utmost importance to him :lol: Don't do anymore damage to his fragile ego, he'll start calling you a liar too :hat:

[Vipaman]

Stace you know what the deal is? HEs trying to work the tiny thing and type and same time.


This is worthy of a warning, and then he cries when he gets warned. :sad:

[kingkong]

That doesn't mean anything. That just means Brazil didn't have to win any extra games in order to win the cup since they have already won it where as Italy who had knocked out Brazil earlier out of the competition had to also win against all the other strong opponents of the cup and then at the end Italy finally wins it. Besides final games aren't always more competetive than the knock out round games.Doesn't mean anything...to you! ;)

You are almost considering Brazil's finals (70 & 94) as...'friendlies'! :lol:

Well, in a way, they were 'friendlies' - I have to concede: 4 x 1 could be the
score of a pic-nic game between 'married' & 'bachelors', and nothing more 'friendly' than that 'brotherly' Baggio's gift to the skies of America! ... :laugh:

Besides, we did have to win - as you say, 'more competitive' - extra-games in order to win the cup: the only difference is that Brazil did it...beforehand! :ronaldo: ...

[Panathinaikos2]

And I won't even comment that in 1938 we played Italy at Italy's home, without our main player - a genius named Leônidas da Silva (the inventor of the 'bicycle', one of the 3 best strikers of all times) - in a highly 'suspicious' game (Leônidas would have been given money not to play); and that in 1982 Italy's fair victory was considered one of the XXth century's 'great football surprises'...

And also the fact that's enough to see Brazilian players and Italians playing to see who has more intimacy with the game... Since you love conspiracy theory's what do you think of this article:

http://www.soccernet.com/images/global/blatter_benradford_150x200.jpg

(BenRadford/Allsport)
In the back seat was the man who has it all. Not FIFA president Sepp Blatter, but the man who created him and the soccer empire now crumbling under the weight of its own corruption.

Brazil's Joao Havelange, now aged 84, had FIFA in his iron grasp from 1974 until 1998, when he pulled all world soccer's levers to place his protege (Blatter) on his throne.

He had little choice. The front runner in early 1998 to replace Havelange was Europe's Lennart Johansson. The big, blond Swede was globally respected for his integrity. He had to be prevented from discovering FIFA's dark secrets and the sleazy truth about Havelange's 24-year dictatorial reign.

And Havelange, forced to quit the presidency after the debacle of awarding this year's World Cup Finals to both Korea and Japan, was unwilling to surrender the life of privilege and luxury provided by the world of football.

Blatter, now 65, won the presidency, and Havelange took the title of honorary president, continuing to enjoy his lavish FIFA perks. His chauffeur from the old days has been kept on and was even flown out to Mali.

He was reportedly seen piloting the honorary president around Salt Lake City earlier this month. In the clubby world of sports lead-ers, Havelange is also a senior member of the International Olympic Committee.

He would never have lasted as FIFA president without the German entrepreneur Horst Dassler.

The legendary boss of the adidas company, Dassler routinely arranged the election of the presidents of the IOC, world athletics and many other federations. In return, his Swiss-based marketing company, International Sport and Leisure, acquired exclusive marketing contracts.

Dassler died in 1987 and adidas has since changed hands. Jean Marie Weber became president of ISL and continued that company's close relations with sports leaders.

Havelange had taken power with a mixture of promises and manipulations. Even then, Africa was seen as the crucial voting bloc and one observer of the vote in Frankfurt in 1974 claimed it was won with 'small brown envelopes going into big black hands'.

It was alleged that diplomats based in Europe turned up to vote, instead of members of their national federations.

Havelange had toured the world with Brazil's sublime soccer team and visited countries almost unknown to the incumbent, Britain's Sir Stanley Rous.

Havelange promised an expansion in coaching and tournaments. It would all benefit football. The problem was that he did not have the money to keep his election pledges. Dassler solved his problem. He was given the marketing contract, sweet-talked the Coca-Cola company to back the alien sport of soccer - and everybody got rich.

As FIFA grew, Dassler hand-picked Blatter to run the new soccer programmes. Blatter was taken to Dassler's base in Landesheim, France, and trained in his ways of doing business.

At the end of 1997, Johansson, then 68, was the only candidate to replace Havelange. Blatter attended the Confederations Cup, held that year in Saudi Arabia, then flew off to Qatar in the Gulf to meet his backers. But he refused to declare that he was a candidate.

As UEFA fumed, he delayed announcing his candidature until late March 1998. Blatter's initial problem was in finding a major soccer nation to sponsor him. He recruited Michel Platini, the celebrated former France captain, to his election team and the French federation duly announced that it was switching its support away from Johansson.

Blatter was up and running. It was widely rumoured that French president Jacques Chirac, himself under investigation for sleaze, placed personal calls to the presidents of French-speaking countries in Africa, asking them to pressurise their football federations to back Blatter.

Behind the scenes Havelange waged a relentless campaign for Blatter. He should have been neutral, remained above the fray. Instead he secretly promised cash and favours to delegates to the Paris election in return for votes for Blatter. Soccernet has acquired some of the correspondence.

It seems that Havelange was working in concert with Mohamed Bin Hamman from Qatar, alleged to be the paymaster behind much of Blatter's vote-gathering in Africa.

In early April, Havelange wrote to the general secretary of Somali soccer 'confirming my promise to you concerning the presence of two delegates for the FIFA Congress in Paris. The cost of travelling for one delegate will be charged to FIFA, as decided, and the other, as I promised you, will be my responsibility, as well as the cost of accommodation.'

The FIFA president added the promise of two free trips to Brazil. Midway through April, Havelange was at it again. This time he was courting the president and general secretary of the East African soccer federation.

He promised: 'The FIFA finance department will soon pay you the amount of $50,000 for the functioning of your secretariat for the next two years. Please send FIFA your bank address and number of account.'

It is surprising that FIFA did not already have on file the bank details of one of its affiliated federations. Havelange went on to pledge a free fax machine and photocopier to each association in the region.

Even more surprising was that Antonio Matarrese of UEFA, the vice-president of FIFA's finance committee, was unaware of the payments. When he found out on the eve of the election, he wrote to the finance director demanding to know who had approved the payment, what bank account it had gone to and for a list of all similar transactions in the previous three months.

He was denied this information. Havelange was even more explicit in a letter to Hong Kong's Timothy Fok, whose tycoon father Henry had been a member of FIFA's executive committee.

Havelange asked Fok Jnr to 'use your influence on the federations of Hong Kong, Macau, China and North Korea' to vote for Blatter. Following Blatter's election, Henry Fok was given FIFA's Order of Merit and last year Timothy Fok was appointed to the IOC. Earlier this month the IOC appointed a Qatar prince, aged 21, and a Saudi prince, aged 23, to its ranks.

Blatter went into the Paris election on June 8 with the backing of Jack Warner, who has controlled the 35 votes in the Caribbean, Central America and North America for the last decade, and his American general secretary, Chuck Blazer.

Blatter could also count on the 10 votes from South America, heavily influenced by Havelange's son-in-law, Ricardo Teixeira, the corrupt boss of Brazilian football, and Paraguay's Nicolas Leoz, also a member of FIFA's executive committee.

Europe, which had initially been 100 per cent behind Johansson, was peeled like an onion, and the English FA was among the defectors. Africa was also divided, but until the result was declared, few outside Blatter's camp realised how devastating was the damage to African unity.

In a last-minute gesture to rally his troops, Havelange strode across the floor of the FIFA convention and publicly embraced Saudi Arabia's Prince Faisal Fahd Abdul Aziz.

It was rumoured that the Saudis, along with Qatar, had invested $5million to fund Blatter. The prince died a year later, a victim, said his critics, of debauchery and drug addiction.

The embrace was the cue for the voting. As Blatter's camp had predicted, he defeated Johansson by 111 votes to 80. The Swede was devastated. With tears in his eyes, he conceded victory.

At Blatter's Press conference, German reporter Jens Wienreich asked him about allegations that his campaign had been funded from the Gulf and he replied: 'The match is over. The players have already gone to the dressing-room, I will not respond.'

That evening Blatter went to Le Meridien Hotel where most rank-and-file delegates were staying, some at the expense of their national associations, others on the largesse of Havelange and his backers in the Gulf.

Blatter schmoozed through the lobby, shaking a hand here, clasping a shoulder there. Later that night, the mood changed when Issa Hayatou, president of African soccer, arrived, roused from his bed at the Hotel Bristol by a call telling him that bundles of cash were being handed out to delegates who had voted for Blatter.

'Unfortunately, by the time I arrived it had gone quiet,' he said later. The Empire was intact.

Havelange had seamlessly secured the succession. World football was now a trinket owned and shame-lessly displayed by oil billionaires from the Gulf whose national soccer teams have yet to make an impact on the game.

It was not to last. The wounds from the dirty campaign ran deep and the sores would not heal. Blatter lacked the indomitable arrogance of Havelange and was unable to dispel rumours that the election had been bought. Europe would never forgive him for the election.

Asian football, divided between the East which supported Johansson and the Gulf which had bankrolled Blatter, were united in revolt at the FIFA Congress in Los Angeles in 1999, when Blatter denied them an additional place in the World Cup Finals.

UEFA stepped in and offered help with the compromise of a play-off. Iran, however, were unable to capitalise on the opportunity, losing to the Republic of Ireland.

The debacle over the hosting of the 2006 World Cup Finals weakened Blatter further. Africa was outraged that he did not keep his campaign promise to send the championships to South Africa.

Remarkably, Blatter was trying to recycle the promises in Tokyo yesterday. Oceania, fierce Blatter supporters, were being seduced with the prospect of an automatic World Cup Finals place.

Africa, increasingly sceptical, was promised the possibility of a jointly hosted World Cup in 2010 and the fiercely anti-Blatter Asians were told they would have to earn an extra spot in the 2006 Finals.

There seems as much cynicism this week as there was in July last year when Blatter was approaching a potentially damaging defeat at the conference in Buenos Aires.

Criticism was growing about Warner's style of leading North and Central America (CONCACAF) and so the only solid core of support seemed to come from Latin America. So how did Blatter survive?


Andrew Jennings is the award-winning author of three books tackling the subject of corruption inside the International Olympic Committee.

http://www.soccernet.com/global/news/2002/0228/20020228featjenningsmain.html

[Vipaman]

i been reading all this.... it takes 2 to tango.. when some offends his nation he tries to defend it.... everyone just being little kids and starting a war about this nation is this and that nation is that... about time we all grow up and stop attacking others countries and and races.. it will be alot better place.... like i said 2 to tango takes one comment and then a reply for it to turn into a continuing thing

You're absolutely right, but it's usualy ONE who initiates the provokes and that ONE is always Benfica. Just go and observe how quickly he started the hate on Australia just because I asked him to stop provoking Greeks and pointed out that they, at least, were champions and that is something he shouldn't be jealous of or bitter about. Shortly thereafter, in his finite wisdom, he figured he would begin trolling Aussies by saying we're shrimp :lol:

Someone is sensitive about their national team though, and that's the funny thing.

BTW Benfica, Australia is not world class at football, get it? ;)

[Panathinaikos2]

Besides, we did have to win - as you say, 'more competitive' - extra-games in order to win the cup: the only difference is that Brazil did it...beforehand! :ronaldo: ...Yes and Italy did it after hand. Besides how do you know that Italy's victories against Brazil was not their "finals" in terms of competitiveness?

[kingkong]

Yes but that doesn't mean that Brazil defeated Italy to win the cup now does itAbsolutely not!..

It's enough to 'tie' Italy to be World Champions against them! :lol: ...

We must have been World Champions in 94 by 'acclamation': just like in Ancient Rome's Coliseum - the public asked :boo: and the Emperor satisfied those sadistic spectators!...

Those ludicrous PKs must have been one of those ridiculous 'intermission shows' that by unexpected reasons happened to take place at the end of the game!...

Too 'subjective' & real mean: a true injustice! :sad: ...

Or, maybe we just 'won the title' because we were...prettier! :smoking: ...

Or maybe you're going to say we weren't champions in 94? ;) ...

One thing is true: how could they TIE, and Brazil still be declared champion: GREAT MISTERY! :lol: ...


However when Brazil does defeat Italy only once did Brazil win the world cup while all of Italy's victories over Brazil resulted in world cup tropheys.But were not solely BECAUSE of them, as were Brazilian victory and 'tie' WERE (I stubbornly insist with the 'quotation marks', isn'it)?...

That 'solely' there is which makes the whole difference: Italy was champion because (and mainly because) beat the Czechs and Germany (and not Brazil) in the 38 & 82 finals...

And Brazil was champion in 70 & 94 because (and mainly because) beat Italy in 70 & 'tied' [:ronaldo:] Italy in 94, and not because beat, let's say, England in 1970 and Holland in 94, did you catch the 'moral of the story' by now?...

AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS! :sad: ...

[Vipaman]

The 'solely' there makes the whole difference though: Italy was champion because (and mainly because) beat the Czechs and France (and not Brazil) in the 38 & 82 finals...

AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS! :sad: ...

Italy beat France in 1982 finals? :lol:

Are you sure you've watched any football outside of Brazil like Laury earlier sussed?

:lol:

Also, who cares who they faced in the finals if they beat your team on road to them. It's still a win, even if you don't want to believe it, right?

Nevermind, I don't want to get involved in your and panas debate out of fear of being called a liar again ;)

So off topic information for you Mr. King Kong :)

Since you were curious as to which Brazilian would do better in our A-League final yesterday, I have some sad news for you, Archie Thompson was the toast of the night on road to a 6-0 thrashing of Adelaide. Adelaide, I remind you, was the team that Romario tried 4 games with to attempt his 1000 goal mark, but he couldn't score in Australia's A-League. Where do you think he's off to next to reach the elusive 1000 goals?

Full story:

Archie Thompson is the toast of Melbourne after scoring a record five goals in Sunday night's 6-0 trouncing of arch-rival Adelaide United in the A-League Grand Final.

Thompson had a hat-trick on the board by half-time and added further goals in the 56th and 72nd minutes before falling victim to cramp in the 89th minute.

Even then there was time for replacement Kristian Sarkies to curl in a spectacular sixth goal.

Adelaide were furious with referee Mark Shield for failing to caution combative Melbourne captain Kevin Muscat for a crunching second-minute challenge on their key midfielder Diego.

Their mood was not improved when Reds skipper Ross Aloisi was sent off in the 34th minute after earning a second yellow card for fouling Grant Brebner.

Adelaide midfielder Nathan Burns also had a seemingly legitimate goal ruled out in the second half for offside.

But the match was all about Thompson and his Melbourne side which completed the Premiers title and Grand Final double in emphatic style.

"I don't think it could get much better than this," said Victory coach Ernie Merrick.

"It was a night for great football and great goals."

"The guys had threatened to perform like that all year and they picked the right night to do it."

Muscat said Thompson's performance would still be talked about 100 years from now.

"I was speaking to him after the game and he doesn't even realise what he's done himself," said Muscat.

"He's not actually doing what he's done justice."

"It will never, ever happen again in a Grand Final where someone does what he's done tonight."

Merrick says the Victory will soon be ready to announce a big-name singing to bolster their squad for next season's title defence when they will also make their Asian Champions League debut.

Adelaide must regroup quickly for the 2007 Asian Champions League starting next month.

The Reds qualified for the tournament after being last year's A-League Premiers

[Panathinaikos2]

But were not solely BECAUSE of them, as were Brazilian victory and 'tie' (I stubbornly insist with the 'quotation marks', isn'it?...) against them!...

The solely there makes the whole difference: Italy was champion because (and mainly because) beat the Czechs and France (and not Brazil) in the 38 & 82 finals...

AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS! :sad: ...Yes but Italy defeated Brazil and Brazil defeated Italy equal amounts of times in a major competition and just becuase Brazil's victory over Italy was more important than Italy's victory over Brazil that does not make Brazil the better team like you have been saying for a long time. The only difference between Brazil's game in the final against Italy and Italy's game against Brazil in the semi final is that the match in the final is considered much more important than the semi final but that does not always mean the final is much more competitive than the semi finals. So to simply say "Brazil is better than Italy becuase we defeated you once in a final and in a consolation match while you defeated us in a semi-final and a second round group stage match" is an ignorant statement. Like I said before how do you know that Italy's true "final match" wasn't against Brazil in the second round rather than against Germany? Italy defeated Germany 3-1 as if they were nothing while Italy was caught in an extremeley competitive match against Brazil in the second round which ended 3-2. These are just final matches by name but not by competitiveness. Besides the Italian victory against Brazil in 1982 was far more surprising and amazing than the Italian victory against Germany in the final since Brazil was considered a major football super power at the time.

[kingkong]

Yes but Italy defeated Brazil and Brazil defeated Italy equal amounts of times in a major competition and just becuase Brazil's victory over Italy was more important than Italy's victory over Brazil that does not make Brazil the better team like you have been saying for a long time. The only difference between Brazil's game in the final against Italy and Italy's game against Brazil in the semi final is that the match in the final is considered much more important than the semi final but that does not always mean the final is much more competitive than the semi finals. So to simply say "Brazil is better than Italy becuase we defeated you once in a final and in a consolation match while you defeated us in a semi-final and a second round group stage match" is an ignorant statement. Like I said before how do you know that Italy's true "final match" wasn't against Brazil in the second round rather than against Germany? Italy defeated Germany 3-1 as if they were nothing while Italy was caught in an extremeley competitive match against Brazil in the second round which ended 3-2. These are just final matches by name but not by competitiveness. Besides the Italian victory against Brazil in 1982 was far more surprising and amazing than the Italian victory against Germany in the final since Brazil was considered a major football super power at the time.


ignorantC'mon, got mad again?...

Just because you felt you're losing the discussion?...

You are unfotunately breaking a brotherly rule we had friendly established before: I won't say WHO is 'ignorant' as I should say (and for sure you'd deserve to hear) only because I still want to preserve that pact! :sad: ...

I sincerely hope you yourself remake or edit your post: that will be much better than excuses!...

So, back to discussing with FAIR PLAY - please!...

[kingkong]

I'll repeat my anterior post, that I was still editing, when you responded to it:
Yes but that doesn't mean that Brazil defeated Italy to win the cup now does itAbsolutely not!..

It's enough to 'tie' Italy to be World Champions against them! :lol: ...

We must have been World Champions in 94 by 'acclamation': just like in Ancient Rome's Coliseum - the public asked :boo: and the Emperor satisfied those sadistic spectators!...

Those ludicrous PKs must have been one of those ridiculous 'intermission shows' that by unexpected reasons happened to take place at the end of the game!...

Too 'subjective' & real mean: a true injustice! :sad: ...

Or, maybe we just 'won the title' because we were...prettier! :smoking: ...

And, maybe, you're going to say we weren't champions in 94? ;) ...

One thing is true: how could they TIE, and Brazil still be declared champion: GREAT MISTERY! :lol: ...
However when Brazil does defeat Italy only once did Brazil win the world cup while all of Italy's victories over Brazil resulted in world cup tropheys.But were not solely BECAUSE of them, as were Brazilian victory and 'tie' WERE (I stubbornly insist with the 'quotation marks', isn'it)?...

That 'solely' there is which makes the whole difference: Italy was champion because (and mainly because) beat the Czechs and Germany (and not Brazil) in the 38 & 82 finals...

And Brazil was champion in 70 & 94 because (and mainly because) beat Italy in 70 & 'tied' [:ronaldo:] Italy in 94, and not because beat, let's say, England in 1970 and Holland in 94, did you catch the 'moral of the story' by now?...

AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS! :sad: ...

[Panathinaikos2]

C'mon, got mad again?...

Just because you felt you're losing the discussion?...

You are unfotunately breaking a brotherly rule we had friendly established before: I won't say WHO is 'ignorant' as I should say (and for sure you'd deserve to hear) only because I still want to preserve that pact! :sad: ...

So, back to discussing with FAIR PLAY - please!...Oh no you don't understand. I wasn't trying to insult you.

[Vipaman]

C'mon, got mad again?...

Just because you felt you're losing the discussion?...

You are accusing him of doing something only you do. Have dignity, stop being so dishonest.


Don't get mad! http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/images/icons/icon6.gif ...

[Vipaman]

That 'solely' there is which makes the whole difference: Italy was champion because (and mainly because) beat the Czechs and Germany (and not Brazil) in the 38 & 82 finals......


Earlier you said it was France that Italy beat in 1982, until yours truly corrected your error in the 'facts'. Since you were wrong about those facts, how many others could you have been wrong about? :noidea: :lol:

ok ok, forget the last question, but let me plug myself here just this one time, ok? :ronaldo:

Don't say that we Australians never do anything for you Brazilians, or that we don't know about futebol,

since an Aussie had to remind you of a pretty big pertinent fact, didn't I? :D

Not knowing who was in the 1982 finals of the World Cup sort of confirms what Laury says about you and that is you don't really know much about soccer outside of your borders.

[Panathinaikos2]

That 'solely' there is which makes the whole difference: Italy was champion because (and mainly because) beat the Czechs and Germany (and not Brazil) in the 38 & 82 finals...

And Brazil was champion in 70 & 94 because (and mainly because) bet Italy in 70 & 'tied' [ Italy in 94

AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS! :sad: ...Italy defeated Brazil twice and won the world cups on the road while Brazil defeated Italy and won the cup beforehand. Italy's victory over Brazil was just as big as their victory over Germany in the final. Italy's match against Brazil was much more competitive than their finals match against Germany. The only difference is that Italy faced Germany instead of Brazil in the final.

[kingkong]

But were not solely BECAUSE of them, as Brazilian victory and 'tie' against Italy in 70 and 94 WERE (I stubbornly insist with the 'quotation marks', isn'it)?...

That 'solely' there is which makes the whole difference: Italy was champion because (and mainly because) beat the Czechs and Germany (and not Brazil) in the 38 & 82 finals...

And Brazil was champion in 70 & 94 because (and mainly because) beat Italy in 70 & 'tied' [:ronaldo:] Italy in 94!...

And not because beat, let's say, England in 1970 and Holland in 94, did you get the 'moral of the story' by now?...


AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS! :sad: ...It's not your fault, but that's how you should have quoted me, since I was still editing my last post: now the last part is more complete.

But, answering to what you stated:
Like I said before how do you know that Italy's true "final match" wasn't against Brazil in the second round rather than against Germany?Nobody can know that!...

It's totally subjective!...

Besides, Panat, I'm sorry, but that simply 'doesn't exist'!...

You want to 'push' something which is absolutely ilogical: a final is a final, a semi is a semi, a quarter is a quarter...

ALL are 'competitive', but some are more important than others, AND THAT HAS TO WEIGH IN A FINAL EVALUATION!...

And you cannot deny that 'finals' > 'semis' > 'quarters'!...

If you give me a dime & I give you a dollar, we both have the 'same number' of coins in our hands, BUT YOU ARE IN FRANK ADVANTADGE OVER ME!...

Brazil got the dollar, Italy unfortunately got the...DIME! :sad: ...

[Panathinaikos2]

Since you love conspiracy theory's what do you think of this article:

http://www.soccernet.com/images/global/blatter_benradford_150x200.jpg

(BenRadford/Allsport)
In the back seat was the man who has it all. Not FIFA president Sepp Blatter, but the man who created him and the soccer empire now crumbling under the weight of its own corruption.

Brazil's Joao Havelange, now aged 84, had FIFA in his iron grasp from 1974 until 1998, when he pulled all world soccer's levers to place his protege (Blatter) on his throne.

He had little choice. The front runner in early 1998 to replace Havelange was Europe's Lennart Johansson. The big, blond Swede was globally respected for his integrity. He had to be prevented from discovering FIFA's dark secrets and the sleazy truth about Havelange's 24-year dictatorial reign.

And Havelange, forced to quit the presidency after the debacle of awarding this year's World Cup Finals to both Korea and Japan, was unwilling to surrender the life of privilege and luxury provided by the world of football.

Blatter, now 65, won the presidency, and Havelange took the title of honorary president, continuing to enjoy his lavish FIFA perks. His chauffeur from the old days has been kept on and was even flown out to Mali.

He was reportedly seen piloting the honorary president around Salt Lake City earlier this month. In the clubby world of sports lead-ers, Havelange is also a senior member of the International Olympic Committee.

He would never have lasted as FIFA president without the German entrepreneur Horst Dassler.

The legendary boss of the adidas company, Dassler routinely arranged the election of the presidents of the IOC, world athletics and many other federations. In return, his Swiss-based marketing company, International Sport and Leisure, acquired exclusive marketing contracts.

Dassler died in 1987 and adidas has since changed hands. Jean Marie Weber became president of ISL and continued that company's close relations with sports leaders.

Havelange had taken power with a mixture of promises and manipulations. Even then, Africa was seen as the crucial voting bloc and one observer of the vote in Frankfurt in 1974 claimed it was won with 'small brown envelopes going into big black hands'.

It was alleged that diplomats based in Europe turned up to vote, instead of members of their national federations.

Havelange had toured the world with Brazil's sublime soccer team and visited countries almost unknown to the incumbent, Britain's Sir Stanley Rous.

Havelange promised an expansion in coaching and tournaments. It would all benefit football. The problem was that he did not have the money to keep his election pledges. Dassler solved his problem. He was given the marketing contract, sweet-talked the Coca-Cola company to back the alien sport of soccer - and everybody got rich.

As FIFA grew, Dassler hand-picked Blatter to run the new soccer programmes. Blatter was taken to Dassler's base in Landesheim, France, and trained in his ways of doing business.

At the end of 1997, Johansson, then 68, was the only candidate to replace Havelange. Blatter attended the Confederations Cup, held that year in Saudi Arabia, then flew off to Qatar in the Gulf to meet his backers. But he refused to declare that he was a candidate.

As UEFA fumed, he delayed announcing his candidature until late March 1998. Blatter's initial problem was in finding a major soccer nation to sponsor him. He recruited Michel Platini, the celebrated former France captain, to his election team and the French federation duly announced that it was switching its support away from Johansson.

Blatter was up and running. It was widely rumoured that French president Jacques Chirac, himself under investigation for sleaze, placed personal calls to the presidents of French-speaking countries in Africa, asking them to pressurise their football federations to back Blatter.

Behind the scenes Havelange waged a relentless campaign for Blatter. He should have been neutral, remained above the fray. Instead he secretly promised cash and favours to delegates to the Paris election in return for votes for Blatter. Soccernet has acquired some of the correspondence.

It seems that Havelange was working in concert with Mohamed Bin Hamman from Qatar, alleged to be the paymaster behind much of Blatter's vote-gathering in Africa.

In early April, Havelange wrote to the general secretary of Somali soccer 'confirming my promise to you concerning the presence of two delegates for the FIFA Congress in Paris. The cost of travelling for one delegate will be charged to FIFA, as decided, and the other, as I promised you, will be my responsibility, as well as the cost of accommodation.'

The FIFA president added the promise of two free trips to Brazil. Midway through April, Havelange was at it again. This time he was courting the president and general secretary of the East African soccer federation.

He promised: 'The FIFA finance department will soon pay you the amount of $50,000 for the functioning of your secretariat for the next two years. Please send FIFA your bank address and number of account.'

It is surprising that FIFA did not already have on file the bank details of one of its affiliated federations. Havelange went on to pledge a free fax machine and photocopier to each association in the region.

Even more surprising was that Antonio Matarrese of UEFA, the vice-president of FIFA's finance committee, was unaware of the payments. When he found out on the eve of the election, he wrote to the finance director demanding to know who had approved the payment, what bank account it had gone to and for a list of all similar transactions in the previous three months.

He was denied this information. Havelange was even more explicit in a letter to Hong Kong's Timothy Fok, whose tycoon father Henry had been a member of FIFA's executive committee.

Havelange asked Fok Jnr to 'use your influence on the federations of Hong Kong, Macau, China and North Korea' to vote for Blatter. Following Blatter's election, Henry Fok was given FIFA's Order of Merit and last year Timothy Fok was appointed to the IOC. Earlier this month the IOC appointed a Qatar prince, aged 21, and a Saudi prince, aged 23, to its ranks.

Blatter went into the Paris election on June 8 with the backing of Jack Warner, who has controlled the 35 votes in the Caribbean, Central America and North America for the last decade, and his American general secretary, Chuck Blazer.

Blatter could also count on the 10 votes from South America, heavily influenced by Havelange's son-in-law, Ricardo Teixeira, the corrupt boss of Brazilian football, and Paraguay's Nicolas Leoz, also a member of FIFA's executive committee.

Europe, which had initially been 100 per cent behind Johansson, was peeled like an onion, and the English FA was among the defectors. Africa was also divided, but until the result was declared, few outside Blatter's camp realised how devastating was the damage to African unity.

In a last-minute gesture to rally his troops, Havelange strode across the floor of the FIFA convention and publicly embraced Saudi Arabia's Prince Faisal Fahd Abdul Aziz.

It was rumoured that the Saudis, along with Qatar, had invested $5million to fund Blatter. The prince died a year later, a victim, said his critics, of debauchery and drug addiction.

The embrace was the cue for the voting. As Blatter's camp had predicted, he defeated Johansson by 111 votes to 80. The Swede was devastated. With tears in his eyes, he conceded victory.

At Blatter's Press conference, German reporter Jens Wienreich asked him about allegations that his campaign had been funded from the Gulf and he replied: 'The match is over. The players have already gone to the dressing-room, I will not respond.'

That evening Blatter went to Le Meridien Hotel where most rank-and-file delegates were staying, some at the expense of their national associations, others on the largesse of Havelange and his backers in the Gulf.

Blatter schmoozed through the lobby, shaking a hand here, clasping a shoulder there. Later that night, the mood changed when Issa Hayatou, president of African soccer, arrived, roused from his bed at the Hotel Bristol by a call telling him that bundles of cash were being handed out to delegates who had voted for Blatter.

'Unfortunately, by the time I arrived it had gone quiet,' he said later. The Empire was intact.

Havelange had seamlessly secured the succession. World football was now a trinket owned and shame-lessly displayed by oil billionaires from the Gulf whose national soccer teams have yet to make an impact on the game.

It was not to last. The wounds from the dirty campaign ran deep and the sores would not heal. Blatter lacked the indomitable arrogance of Havelange and was unable to dispel rumours that the election had been bought. Europe would never forgive him for the election.

Asian football, divided between the East which supported Johansson and the Gulf which had bankrolled Blatter, were united in revolt at the FIFA Congress in Los Angeles in 1999, when Blatter denied them an additional place in the World Cup Finals.

UEFA stepped in and offered help with the compromise of a play-off. Iran, however, were unable to capitalise on the opportunity, losing to the Republic of Ireland.

The debacle over the hosting of the 2006 World Cup Finals weakened Blatter further. Africa was outraged that he did not keep his campaign promise to send the championships to South Africa.

Remarkably, Blatter was trying to recycle the promises in Tokyo yesterday. Oceania, fierce Blatter supporters, were being seduced with the prospect of an automatic World Cup Finals place.

Africa, increasingly sceptical, was promised the possibility of a jointly hosted World Cup in 2010 and the fiercely anti-Blatter Asians were told they would have to earn an extra spot in the 2006 Finals.

There seems as much cynicism this week as there was in July last year when Blatter was approaching a potentially damaging defeat at the conference in Buenos Aires.

Criticism was growing about Warner's style of leading North and Central America (CONCACAF) and so the only solid core of support seemed to come from Latin America. So how did Blatter survive?


Andrew Jennings is the award-winning author of three books tackling the subject of corruption inside the International Olympic Committee.

http://www.soccernet.com/global/news/2002/0228/20020228featjenningsmain.htmlBy the way King Kong you still haven't told me what you think of this article?

[Vipaman]

King Kong is ignoring this too. It looks like that when ignoring isn't an option only then does King Kong resort to insulting :lol:

King Kong, how was it that you didn't know who was in the 1982 Final? Did the loss to Italy, as Pana has said, disturb you too much? :D

j/k mate, just toying with you, please don't call me a liar again :fear:


Earlier you said it was France that Italy beat in 1982, until yours truly corrected your error in the 'facts'. Since you were wrong about those facts, how many others could you have been wrong about? :noidea: :lol:

ok ok, forget the last question, but let me plug myself here just this one time, ok? :ronaldo:

Don't say that we Australians never do anything for you Brazilians, or that we don't know about futebol,

since an Aussie had to remind you of a pretty big pertinent fact, didn't I? :D

Not knowing who was in the 1982 finals of the World Cup sort of confirms what Laury says about you and that is you don't really know much about soccer outside of your borders.

[Panathinaikos2]

It's not your fault, but that's how you should have quoted me, since I was still editing my last post: now the last part is morecomplete.

But, answering to what you stated:

[wait for the sequence, please, I'm a slow poster]Yes but the real moral of this story was whether or not Brazil is better than Italy as you so many times claimed. Brazil and Italy have both won equal amounts of times and drawn equal amounts of times and lost equal amounts of times with each other in a major tournament. In all of Italy's victories over Brazil, regardless if they were not in a final, Italy later went up to be world champions, while only one of Brazil's victories resulted in a world champion title. Brazil did not beat Italy to win the world cup in 1994. Brazil tied Italy and then went on to penalty kicks in which Baggio missed his penalty which resulted in Brazil winning the world cup. Besides King Kong if I remember exactly Brazil once had a friendly game with Italy and Italy was leading 3-1 in the 87th minute in which Brazil later equalized the game 3-3. Had that not been a friendly I doubt Brazil would of equalized the game as Italy would have been defending instead of attacking more.

[kingkong]

My response to you is:

Click here on this link: #1144 (http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=799377&postcount=1144).

[Panathinaikos2]

My response to you is:

Click here on this link: #1144 (http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=799377&postcount=1144).Hmm for some reason I have never seen this post.

[kingkong]

Will open it for you:


Like I said before how do you know that Italy's true "final match" wasn't against Brazil in the second round rather than against Germany? Nobody can know that!...

It's totally subjective!...

Besides, Panat, I'm sorry, but that simply 'doesn't exist'!...

You want to 'push' something which is absolutely ilogical: a final is a final, a semi is a semi, a quarter is a quarter...

ALL are 'competitive', but some are more important than others, AND THAT HAS TO WEIGH IN A FINAL EVALUATION!...

And you cannot deny that 'finals' > 'semis' > 'quarters'!...

If you give me a dime & I give you a dollar, we both have the 'same number' of coins in our hands, BUT YOU ARE IN FRANK ADVANTADGE OVER ME!...

Brazil got the dollar, Italy unfortunately got the...DIME! :sad: ...

[kingkong]

But the real moral of this story was whether or not Brazil is better than Italy as you so many times claimed'Claim?'...

Whenever I say Brazil is better than Italy is based upon objective facts!...

For instance Brazil 5 x 4 Italy in World titles, or who won more finals in which both were involved (2 x 0, or 1 x 0 to Brazil, as you wish).

I don't 'claim' anything: those are ABSOLUTE TRUTHS!...

Truths that undeniably make Brazil objectively 'better' than Italy...

What can I do?! :noidea: ...

If Brazil & Italy are absolutely tied in victories, defeats, goals pro, goals against, that doesn't mean that the objective criteria for 'untying' their particular match-up cease there!...

Amount of times they played each other in a WC final, with a positive result in that game (TITLE) to each side IS a more than fair, honest & objective criterion to decide the dispute!...

The amount of goals scored in those games AS WELL!...

If these games were disputed at the house of the adversary TOO!...

Who is prettier, too (now, they win! :lol:)...

So, Panat, objectively, the advantadge is ours! :sad: ...

[Vipaman]

So King Kong is saying that quarter finals and semi finals are not as important as finals? I say that this is rubbish, because you cannot be in a final until you win the other two first, so those games have to be the most important games of your lives until you pass them, then you focus on the next. Everyone knows that the consolation match is a joke though, just look at this years consolation match when Germany squashed Portugal without their best player as Michael Ballack was on the bench. Does anyone, except for the home team in such matches, care about them fully like they would a quarter, semi or final match?

[Panathinaikos2]

Ok I just wanted to post this before I leave right now:

1- Brazil and Italy have both won equal amounts of times and drawn equal amounts of times and lost equal amounts of times with each other in a major tournament.

2- In all of Italy's victories over Brazil, regardless if they were not in a final, Italy later went up to be world champions,

3 - while only one of Brazil's victories resulted in a world champion title.

4 - Besides King Kong if I remember exactly Brazil once had a friendly game with Italy and Italy was leading 3-1 in the 87th minute in which Brazil later equalized the game 3-3. Had that not been a friendly I doubt Brazil would of equalized the game as Italy would have been defending instead of attacking more.

[kingkong]

Now I understand!...

Italy's desperate willing to play a 'friendly' with Brazil is just a supreme effort of the Italian confederation in order to 'look good' within the context of Soc's ultra-contrived 'head-to-head' numbers! :lol: ...

A simple 1 x 0 in a 'friendly', and that will be the glory of Italian football: we, Italy, are FINALLY ahead of Brazil in Soccerates' table!..

The glorious Italian football - who could suspect that! - revolves around Soccerates and his evaluation of world football through XFF!...

No, don't crack up yet, XFF fans (restrain yourselves; the 'boss' might not like)! :ronaldo: ...

Why don't you come to SFN so we can democratically laugh at the jerk with you!...

We are expecting the 1st defections!...

I'm sure they'll happen: WHY NOT...TOMORROW!!! http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

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(Panat, by no means this post was a response to yours above; only after I posted it, I saw your last one)

[Vipaman]

WTF are you talking about? You've managed to ignore almost all of what Pana or anyone else has asked you directly. Heck, you didn't even know who was in the 1982 finals.

How about this for starters,

Why is someone who says he is older than 50 years continue arguing with teens and young adults about facts of soccer that he himself cannot even get right, then insult them and call them names when they don't agree with you?

[kingkong]

By the way King Kong you still haven't told me what you think of this article?If, by any means, you are implying that Brazil got benefitted with the presence of Havelange & his 'protegé' at FIFA's presidence since 1974 up to nowadays, the guy was very incompetent indeed, because, in this whole period, Brazil only won 2 out of...9 World Cups!!! :boo:

Bad job, Havelange!...

You could have at least 'countabilized' in our favour some 4 or 5 titles more!...

Shame on you! :mad2: ...

[Vipaman]

Bad job, Havelange!...
You could have at least 'countabilized' in our favour some 4 or 5 titles more!...
Shame on you! :mad2: ...

Don't you think that would make it a little too obvious :lol: Don't be so greedy :D

On another front, since we know how much you love European football and it's clubs, would you care to gander at this thread and make some predictions:

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=51149

Here are some hints, Ronaldo no longer plays for Real Madrid, but AC Milan now have him and they also have Kaka though Milan has known to struggle in first legs of the Champions league in previous years.

Man United have no good Brazilians, but they have that guy Cristiano Ronaldo, who is very fun to watch when he manages to stay on his feet, and maybe that might sway your decision in their favor?

Bayern has Lucio so you might be taking them over Madrid, but Madrid has Robinho. Arsenal has one of the best strikers in the game, his name is THEIRY HENRY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM737ikdmjo), do you know him? :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM737ikdmjo

But PSV, over the years, has contributed to introducing several Brazilians to the European game. They also introduced Ronaldo and Ronaldinho to their very fine Red Light district too :evil: for lots and lots of :kiss: so you really owe it to the Europeans to show them some respect for keeping your boys so well taken care of :hat:

[Vipaman]

And Pana, you bad boy why are you trying to make this about Europe and S. American's top two teams, huh? :mad2:

:lol: just kidding mate, I know it just has to do with trying to help minimize the big King Kong's ego a bit :D. Or should I say the bit King Kongs big ego? Or King Kongs Big Ego Bit? Hahaha...he can get carried away, but don't you wish he'd look a little past his own borders and realize that futebol, as he calls it, is played outside of Brazil and in many cases just as fine if not finer? :D

But since this is about Europe and S.America with a little bit of assistance from the 'objective' facts as King Kong likes to call them, then we can say this

In the RED Corner we have Europe
In the BLUE Corner we have S.America

1 Italy 1562 1 2
2 Brazil 1540 -1 -48
3 Argentina 1535 0 -16
4 France 1496 0 -27
5 Germany 1359 0 -4
6 England 1330 0 -29
7 Netherlands 1312 0 7
8 Portugal 1262 0 4
9 Czech Republic 1193 1 3
10 Spain 1161 2 7


Yep King Kong, the numbers don't lie :hat: the final objective {that word that King Kong Likes to use so much} judgment is

South America 2 > :croc: < 8 to Europe

Now if that isn't a beating then I don't know what is :lol:

KK, you know, many can play your game right?

[Vipaman]

Hey King Kong, do you know if you threw Asia, Africa and Australia (A to the power of 3, :lol: ) into the mix you can use all your single match quota's to claim superiority over all of them too, right? :D

It makes me :mad2: that all you guys ever do is argue about only two continents, the rest of us exist too you know, and despite that you feel Australia are just small shrimp in the big blue ocean :p we still feel that we're not so bad, you know ::mad2:

:lol:

[kingkong]

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4549/yawn3777ac6kz0.jpg

[Vipaman]

Just as many have said before and as I predicted, when faced with facts that discredit your
own you pull out the irrelevant remarks, insults, or pictures.

Not knowing who was in the final of the 1982 World Cup sort of revealed you as someone who doesn't
truly understand much history of the sport. I may be a lowly Aussie, a small shrimp in the big ocean
as you put it, but at least when I partake in some sort of debate I try to get my facts right
otherwise:

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/8955/retardsgn0.png

I'm not saying that you are one, btw ;)

[benfica64]

Italy beat France in 1982 finals? :lol:

Are you sure you've watched any football outside of Brazil like Laury earlier sussed?

:lol:

Also, who cares who they faced in the finals if they beat your team on road to them. It's still a win, even if you don't want to believe it, right?

Nevermind, I don't want to get involved in your and panas debate out of fear of being called a liar again ;)

So off topic information for you Mr. King Kong :)

Since you were curious as to which Brazilian would do better in our A-League final yesterday, I have some sad news for you, Archie Thompson was the toast of the night on road to a 6-0 thrashing of Adelaide. Adelaide, I remind you, was the team that Romario tried 4 games with to attempt his 1000 goal mark, but he couldn't score in Australia's A-League. Where do you think he's off to next to reach the elusive 1000 goals?

Full story:

Archie Thompson is the toast of Melbourne after scoring a record five goals in Sunday night's 6-0 trouncing of arch-rival Adelaide United in the A-League Grand Final.

Thompson had a hat-trick on the board by half-time and added further goals in the 56th and 72nd minutes before falling victim to cramp in the 89th minute.

Even then there was time for replacement Kristian Sarkies to curl in a spectacular sixth goal.

Adelaide were furious with referee Mark Shield for failing to caution combative Melbourne captain Kevin Muscat for a crunching second-minute challenge on their key midfielder Diego.

Their mood was not improved when Reds skipper Ross Aloisi was sent off in the 34th minute after earning a second yellow card for fouling Grant Brebner.

Adelaide midfielder Nathan Burns also had a seemingly legitimate goal ruled out in the second half for offside.

But the match was all about Thompson and his Melbourne side which completed the Premiers title and Grand Final double in emphatic style.

"I don't think it could get much better than this," said Victory coach Ernie Merrick.

"It was a night for great football and great goals."

"The guys had threatened to perform like that all year and they picked the right night to do it."

Muscat said Thompson's performance would still be talked about 100 years from now.

"I was speaking to him after the game and he doesn't even realise what he's done himself," said Muscat.

"He's not actually doing what he's done justice."

"It will never, ever happen again in a Grand Final where someone does what he's done tonight."

Merrick says the Victory will soon be ready to announce a big-name singing to bolster their squad for next season's title defence when they will also make their Asian Champions League debut.

Adelaide must regroup quickly for the 2007 Asian Champions League starting next month.

The Reds qualified for the tournament after being last year's A-League Premiers

It also clearly shows just how weak and sad the Australian league is much like there National Team, when 2 teams are in the finals of a league championship for it too be so lopsided shows how fragile and weak this league is. Then again AUssies playing football? is quite the riot in itself. But I will confess to a half decent cricket team. Yes you are completely right Australia can not play football.

[benfica64]

Pana I warn you, if you get King Kong mad by not agreeing with everything he says he will call you names, or call you a liar, or if you have a girlfriend or wife he'll insult them. Whenever he can't argue facts, he changes arguments, lies and calls names. I find it quite curious that someone over 50 would do that. I'm also flattered that King Kong has now turned his attention on me in almost all of his posts. I guess the opinion of a small 'shrimp' like his puppy has declared is of the utmost importance to him :lol: Don't do anymore damage to his fragile ego, he'll start calling you a liar too :hat:

KK let me warn you about Vipaman since his nation cant play football for beans and there really isn't much to discus with them he tends to stick his nose in other peoples business (posts) "" as clearly shown here once again " Vipaman loves to play the big (ego) after all he is A Moderator something that he surely tells his friends at school, you see his accomplishments are at a grand scale what higher acclaim then being a Moderator. Like KK so observingly and carefully mentioned Vipaman is someone that cant stand on his own and when he feels hes getting licked in every direction he without reason hands out warnings to all. I admire KK because hes not an ego trip so much as Vipaman would like to claim and wish and in fact its quite reverse. KK is A Moderator with no chip on his shoulder no ego and not afraid to go with anyone on here without having to simply be a coward and hand out warnings simply because he is being crippled on here with trying to debate. Vipaman A word of advice every time you have tried to debate with KK you have been drowed and completely humiliated but because he is aslo a Moderator your trigger finger to give him warnings is abit slow but trust me if it wasnt a moderator he have been given warnings left right and centre, Hence I see that you have given me plenty?? MMMM might say something there. (lol) Yes here your doing what you do best putting in your very little 2 cents worth concerning 2 members that are discusing nothing to do with you, like you do with me you simply put your nose in other peoples posts, and then when they put you in your place for being that way you cant handle it and going haywire with warnings.

[benfica64]

Yes but Italy defeated Brazil and Brazil defeated Italy equal amounts of times in a major competition and just becuase Brazil's victory over Italy was more important than Italy's victory over Brazil that does not make Brazil the better team like you have been saying for a long time.


Funny you should say this Pana being you see I once said I dont know why the greeks are in an uproar when in fact Portugal and Greece and have the same amount of games and your answer to that was yeah but Portugal won friendlies and greece won the games that count the more important games???? NOw you writing this kind of backtracks that wouldnt you agree????????????? So which is it? It counts if Greece wins them but not Brazil????

[benfica64]

If, by any means, you are implying that Brazil got benefitted with the presence of Havelange & his 'protegé' at FIFA's presidence since 1974 up to nowadays, the guy was very incompetent indeed, because, in this whole period, Brazil only won 2 out of...9 World Cups!!! :boo:

Bad job, Havelange!...

You could have at least 'countabilized' in our favour some 4 or 5 titles more!...

Shame on you! :mad2: ...

Hahahaha!! dang that really shot down pana's notion on the whole Havelange deal. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[folvain]

KK let me warn you about Vipaman since his nation cant play football for beans and there really isn't much to discus with them he tends to stick his nose in other peoples business (posts) "" as clearly shown here once again " Vipaman loves to play the big (ego) after all he is A Moderator something that he surely tells his friends at school, you see his accomplishments are at a grand scale what higher acclaim then being a Moderator. Like KK so observingly and carefully mentioned Vipaman is someone that cant stand on his own and when he feels hes getting licked in every direction he without reason hands out warnings to all. I admire KK because hes not an ego trip so much as Vipaman would like to claim and wish and in fact its quite reverse. KK is A Moderator with no chip on his shoulder no ego and not afraid to go with anyone on here without having to simply be a coward and hand out warnings simply because he is being crippled on here with trying to debate. Vipaman A word of advice every time you have tried to debate with KK you have been drowed and completely humiliated but because he is aslo a Moderator your trigger finger to give him warnings is abit slow but trust me if it wasnt a moderator he have been given warnings left right and centre, Hence I see that you have given me plenty?? MMMM might say something there. (lol) Yes here your doing what you do best putting in your very little 2 cents worth concerning 2 members that are discusing nothing to do with you, like you do with me you simply put your nose in other peoples posts, and then when they put you in your place for being that way you cant handle it and going haywire with warnings.


Thats what this place is all about...Ego's and chips on shoulders with some mods. Holicman is still the best. The rest are piss poor and make juvenile mistakes. Vipaman is another one who rubs his acorn at every time he thinks about moderating. Being a mod makes him feel like he has a big acorn when in reality it resembles a minute button mushroom. Hi Laury look at me, i'm a mod...Would you like to see da acorn I put some fertilizer on it to make it grow. Can you see my acorn? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[benfica64]

Thats what this place is all about...Ego's and chips on shoulders with some mods. Holicman is still the best. The rest are piss poor and make juvenile mistakes. Vipaman is another one who rubs his acorn at every time he thinks about moderating. Being a mod makes him feel like he has a big acorn when in reality it resembles a minute button mushroom. Hi Laury look at me, i'm a mod...Would you like to see da acorn I put some fertilizer on it to make it grow. Can you see my acorn? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I completely agree that Holicman is in fact one of the very best Moderators in these forums without question.


Your a funny Guy Folvain and welcome to SFN, we need more people like you to bring back some much needed humor into these forums I try at times but people like Vipaman whom have no sense of humor dont aprreciate laugh and love and be happy attitude he is too busy being the almighty Moderator (lol)

[Laury84]

kingkong u are showing that u really dont know so much about football...u only want the other members to say "hey Brazil is the best"...cmon....if someone tells u something and u dont know what to say u just post a pic and u change subject...if someone says that there are other great teams and not only Brazil u just say that they are all liar....wow...how old are u???
u should learn a little bit more about football (shame that u dont even know what was the final in 82...but probably u were too shocked after we won against u) and try to write more interesting post...and another thing its really ridiculous how u keep saying that its not a "real WC" the one that we won in 2006 coz we won it on PKs but then u keep rimind us the one that u won against us in 1994...on...mmm...PKs?^!?!?! :lol: :lol: :lol: ridiculous

[Panathinaikos2]

Yes but Italy defeated Brazil and Brazil defeated Italy equal amounts of times in a major competition and just becuase Brazil's victory over Italy was more important than Italy's victory over Brazil that does not make Brazil the better team like you have been saying for a long time.


Funny you should say this Pana being you see I once said I dont know why the greeks are in an uproar when in fact Portugal and Greece and have the same amount of games and your answer to that was yeah but Portugal won friendlies and greece won the games that count the more important games???? NOw you writing this kind of backtracks that wouldnt you agree????????????? So which is it? It counts if Greece wins them but not Brazil????The thing is Italy's victories against Brazil were all in a world cup and all of those victories were very important. Portugal howevor hasn't defeated Greece in a major tournament yet but right now this does not matter in this discussion.

[Panathinaikos2]

If, by any means, you are implying that Brazil got benefitted with the presence of Havelange & his 'protegé' at FIFA's presidence since 1974 up to nowadays, the guy was very incompetent indeed, because, in this whole period, Brazil only won 2 out of...9 World Cups!!! :boo:

Bad job, Havelange!...

You could have at least 'countabilized' in our favour some 4 or 5 titles more!...

Shame on you! :mad2: ...Like Vipaman said, that would of made it very oviouse.

[Panathinaikos2]

Now I understand!...

Italy's desperate willing to play a 'friendly' with Brazil is just a supreme effort of the Italian confederation in order to 'look good' within the context of Soc's ultra-contrived 'head-to-head' numbers! :lol: ...Brazil has denied friendlies with Italy 3 times while Brazil later agrees to play friendlies against very small nations such as United Arab Emirates :rolleyes:

[kingkong]

kingkong u are showing that u really dont know so much about football...u only want the other members to say "hey Brazil is the best"...cmon....if someone tells u something and u dont know what to say u just post a pic and u change subject...if someone says that there are other great teams and not only Brazil u just say that they are all liar....wow...how old are u???
u should learn a little bit more about football (shame that u dont even know what was the final in 82...but probably u were too shocked after we won against u) and try to write more interesting post...and another thing its really ridiculous how u keep saying that its not a "real WC" the one that we won in 2006 coz we won it on PKs but then u keep rimind us the one that u won against us in 1994...on...mmm...PKs?^!?!?ridiculousLaura,

Never said or did any of the things you're muttering about up there.

You're becoming the ridiculous one & repeating yourself (worse, not even yourself, you're repeating others who are way less 'brilliant' than you)...

So, don't project all your 'virtues' on me: who doesn't see anything outside Italy (worse, outside Inter Milano!) is you!...

Your 'style' is getting very similar to 'macarronic' Kram's, by the way!...

'Macarronic' refers to 'style', and not to your person, please! :lol: ...

Get off my back, alligator! :ronaldo: ...

Now, you should shorten up your posts, in order not to expose so much those incredible English blunders, which show up even more when you are 'hating'! :lol: ...

You, a pretty person, don't become ugly: or within some time all I'll have to say is 'Laury, step out of your broom, and come back to life' ! ;) ...

No! No! Who could imagine Laury (our Laury!) as Papa Soc's 'daughter-in-law'! :nono: http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/images/icons/icon8.gif ...

[kingkong]

Brazil has denied friendlies with Italy 3 times while Brazil later agrees to play friendlies against very small nations such as United Arab Emirates :rolleyes:Yeah!...

Italy is Jesus Christ on the way to Calvarium & we are Peter, who denied the 'Lord' for three times - oh Sin of Sins! :lol: ...

Besides, Arab Emirates are way richer: you know, the money trail! :smoking: ...

[kingkong]

Like Vipaman said, that would of made it very obvious.So,

In 9 WCs - if not even 2 - how many would you concede to us without Havelange's 'God's Hand'?...

Maybe one? - IN 33 YEARS?! - (& probably the one Italy 'let' us win in 98 - and that we 'didn't even win' - we 'tied' - right)?...

Thanks a lot for your extreme 'benevolence', Panat! :lol: ...


that would of made it very obviousBesides, I thought that, for you & 'everybody' - that was ALREADY SO obvious! :sad: ...

[Laury84]

Laura,

Never said or did any of the things you're muttering about up there.

You're becoming the ridiculous one & repeating yourself (worse, not even yourself, you're repeating others who are way less 'brilliant' than you)...

So, don't project all your 'vitues' on me: who doesn't see anything outside Italy (worse, outside Inter Milano!) is you!...

Your 'style' is getting very similar to 'macarronic' Kram's, by the way!...

'Macarronic' refers to 'style', and not to your person, please! :lol: ...

Get off my back, alligator! :ronaldo: ...

Now, you should shorten up your posts, in order not to expose so much those incredible English blunders, which show up even more when you are 'hating'! :lol: ...

You, a pretty person, don't become ugly: or within some time all I'll have to say is Laury, step out of your broom, and come back to life' ! ;) ...

No! No! Who could imagine Laury (our Laury!) as Papa Soc's 'daughter-in-law'! :nono: http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/images/icons/icon8.gif ...
u never did all those things?!?!?! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: cmon kk.... :lol:

[kingkong]

u never did all those things?!?!?! cmon kk...Great!...

That's my good old Laury's quick & smart style (love HER formulae: 'cmon kk! cmon stace!' - that works way better! http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/images/icons/icon14.gif ...)

YOU are YOU!...

No need to copy anybody, Laury babe! :nono:...

[kingkong]

If, by any means, you are implying that Brazil got benefitted with the presence of Havelange & his 'protegé' at FIFA's presidence since 1974 up to nowadays, the guy was very incompetent indeed, because, in this whole period, Brazil only won 2 out of...9 World Cups!!! :boo:

Bad job, Havelange!...

You could have at least 'countabilized' in our favour some 4 or 5 titles more!...

Shame on you! :mad2: ...
that would of made it very oviouseSo,

In 9 WCs - if not even 2 - how many would you concede to us without Havelange's 'God's Hand'?...

SO AS NOT TO LOOK 'SO' OBVIOUS?! :ronaldo: ...

Maybe one??? - IN 33 YEARS! - (& probably the one Italy 'let' us win in 98 - and that we 'didn't even win' - we 'tied' :lol: - right)?...

Thanks a lot for your extreme 'benevolence', Panat! http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/images/icons/icon14.gif ...
made it very oviouseBut I thought that - for you & 'everybody' - that was ALREADY 'SO' obvious! :sad: ...

ANYWAY, VERY IMPRESSIVE YOUR LINK ABOUT HAVELANGE!...

Notwithstanding, if you have links about Brazil, I also have about Italy (and there will always be somebody here saying that that's 'not relevant', or that I'm 'diverting' from the main subject)! :lol: ...

(Who displayed this link for the 1st time in SFN was the great Nachi)

Take a look (read my selection, but click on the link too: there is way more in there!):

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192448 (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192448)



Severe Doubts regarding Italy's 1934 World Cup Win

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/1606/itacv33mussoliniee8456rn2.png
There are three circumstances of facts that cast a huge shadow of doubt over the validity of Italy’s first World Cup win in 1934.

The first circumstance, and definitely the most severe, is Italy’s outright breaching of FIFA rules that should have led to Italy’s disqualification from the tournament already before the start. According to FIFA rules of the time, a player was only allowed to play for a second country if he had lived in that country for at least three years.

Italy’s 1934 World Cup squad included four players from Argentina (Raimundo Orsi, Luis Monti, Atilio Demaria, Enrique Guaita) and one from Brasil (Anfilogino “Filo” Guarisi). Only Orsi had been playing in Italy for more than three years. None of the others players had played in Italy for anything close to three years. Thus the squad that represented Mussolini’s fascist Italy should have been suspended from participating in this World Cup tournament, regardless of being the host or not.

This must rate as the single biggest scandal in the history of the World Cup. Fortunate for Italians, this is long gone and nobody really cares for this, but that doesn’t change that the validity of Italy’s first World Cup win is highly arguable.

The second circumstance concerns the quarterfinal match vs. Spain. In this game it became very clear that FIFA and thus the referees intended to please Benito Mussolini by doing everything to help the Italian team advance as far as possible.

In the fifth minute, the Spanish outside left Bosch was penetrating the Italian penalty area when Monzeglio brutally fouled him. Bosch had to be treated for 20 minutes outside of the pitch before he could come back, but all he could do from then on was hobble, thus Spain had to play with 10 men for 85 minutes of the match. Swiss referee Mercet didn’t interrupt the game after Monzeglio’s foul, which should have resulted in a penalty for Spain.

In the 11th minute, after a corner kick for Italy, Meazza clearly leaned upon Spain’s keeper Nogués with his hands before he headed the ball into the goal. It should have been disallowed, but ref Mercet had no such intentions. The goal was given. Even the Italian players were surprised at this decision. And even the German football papers were perplexed by this, despite generally being well meaning to the Italians, as both countries were led by right-wing dictatorships. German magazine “Fussball” wrote the day after the match: “Mercet had lost his courage. Just as he overlooked Monzeglio’s foul against Bosch previously, when he stood directly next to it, he remained dependent on the cheap propaganda of the Italian crowd.” Obviously, the decimated Spaniards were shocked by this decision as well.

In the 37th minute, ref Mercet again leaves no doubt that he is not a neutral in this match. Monzeglio unfairly attacks Campanal in the Italian penalty area. Right after the foul, both players stood face to face furiously and then Monzeglio grabbed Campanal’s chin, pushing his head back, directly in front of Mercet. A clear assault by the Italian defender! But not for Mercet, who let the game continue without taking any action… Seconds later, the next crass wrong decision by Mercet upsets all neutrals in the stadium. Two Italian defenders heckle an Spanish player in the penalty area. But amazingly, Mercet gives freekick to Italy! On the sidelines, the injured Spanish goalkeeper legend Zamora can’t believe what he sees while the neutral press writes the word “scandal” into their pocket books.

In the 62th minute, referee Mercet “crowns” his performance: Campanal fires a rebound past Combi into the Italian goal, but Mercet disallows the goal because of “off-sides”. Even the Swiss press criticizes their referee harshly after the match. The “Basler Nationalzeitung” writes: “Mercet favored the Italians in a most shameful manner.”

But this is still not all. Shortly before time, the ball passes Combi again and lands inside the Italian goal – what does Mercet say? Disallowed, of course! Why? Because a Spanish player had been fouled seconds before the scoring. Obviously, Mercet had “forgotten” that in such cases, the game continues if the fouled player’s team still possesses the ball, especially if it manages to score a goal! Germany’s “Fussball” magazine later wrote: “Double injustice! This is an extreme example of how a referee can actually reward a team that has fouled one of its opponents by not giving advantage to the fouled team. Because a Spaniard was fouled, his teammate was not allowed to score a goal!”

After this match, it had become painfully clear to all witnessing neutrals that FIFA had chosen Italy – and no other team – to win this tournament.


Now on to circumstance number three, the final itself, which saw hosts Italy paired with Czechoslovakia.

15 minute: Guaita brutally fouls Krcil, who is severely injured at his ankle. Although Krcil remained on the pitch he wasn’t up to full service anymore. The Czechs had to continue playing with 10 men, neutrals were reminded of what had happened to the Spaniards when Bosch had shared the same fate.

Shortly before halftime, the Italian brutalo football again raised its ugly head: Monti jumps with both legs onto Svoboda, who lies on the ground motionless. Monti’s dirty deed could only mean one thing in the eyes of all present neutral observers: send-off! But referee Eklind only gave freekick to Czechoslovakia. “Lucky” Italians once more…

In the 55th minute, outside left Puc breaks the Italian defense line and gets fouled by Monzeglio’s long leg 14 meter in front of the goal. Obvious penalty! But not so for Ivan Eklind. While Puc was wallowing on the pitch in a very sorry state, Eklind decided that the match continued. Disbelieving amazement among the spectators and outrage and disgust in the Czech camp.

Shortly after this incident, Meazza blatantly punches the already stricken Krcil in the liver in front of referee Eklind – yet again Eklind does not react. Apparently, the Italians seem to know that they can do what they want without the referee reacting …

Seven minutes later, Puc comes back to the pitch after long treatment, grabbing the ball immediately, tanking thru the Italian defence until Luigi Allemandi ruthlessly separates him from the ball. Again a breach of the rules which could have resulted in a send-off. But Eklind only gives a freekick to Czechoslovakia.

Despite the scandalous behaviour of the Italian players and Eklind’s equally scandalous inability to implement rules, Puc manages to score the lead in the 76th minute. A goal that even referee Eklind couldn’t prevent. Horror on the faces of the Italian spectators. Now the less than convincing Squadra Azzurri only had 15 minutes left to equalize. Was a national tragedy looming?

Italy now attacked ferociously, but the Czech defence around Planicka and Zenisek stood solidly. But 9 minutes from time, Orsi scored the equalizer. If you’re Italian, this is probably going to bore you by now, but this Italian goal should have been disallowed as Meazza had knocked over his opponent before Orsi scored. This should have resulted in a freekick to Czecheslovakia, not a goal to Italy.

In extra-time, Schiavio scored the winner for Italy.

After the match, it was rumoured that Eklind had talked to Mussolini prior to the match for a considerable amount of time. Although not many dared to openly say it, it was clear to neutrals that influence from outside of the world of football was mainly responsible for Italy’s triumph in this World Cup.

But even regardless of these political exertions of influence, Italy shouldn’t have been allowed to participate in this tournament in the first place, as they clearly and blatantly breached FIFA’s rules on so-called “Oriundi” players, as was stated at the very beginning.
So, let's leave it as that, because if we keep bringing up stinking stuff like that, we'll have to bring in the 'scavanger' too! :lol: ...

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6452/urubufde68awx9.png
:arrow: ('someone' will say: KK again 'evades the topic' with the use of pictures (or, maybe - once more - he hit the nitty-gritty?)! :lol: ...

MAN, EVEN THE ITALIAN 'SQUAD' THAT WAS WORLD CHAMPION IN 1934 WAS FULL OF NON-NATURALIZED ARGENTINIANS (4) AND EVEN ONE BRAZILIAN :Pound:!!! (WE SHOULD COUNTABILIZE THAT TITLE TO SOUTHAMERICA INSTEAD: IT'S 10 X 8 NOW TO SA, AND BRAZIL 5 X 3 ITALY, AND ONE MORE TITLE TO ARGENTINA (3)! :lol: ...

Let's be objective: Brazil 5 x 4 Italy. PERIOD.

[benfica64]

So,

In 9 WCs - if not even 2 - how many would you concede to us without Havelange's 'God's Hand'?...

SO AS NOT TO LOOK 'SO' OBVIOUS?! :ronaldo: ...

Maybe one??? - IN 33 YEARS! - (& probably the one Italy 'let' us win in 98 - and that we 'didn't even win' - we 'tied' :lol: - right)?...

Thanks a lot for your extreme 'benevolence', Panat! http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/images/icons/icon14.gif ...But I thought that - for you & 'everybody' - that was ALREADY 'SO' obvious! :sad: ...

ANYWAY, VERY IMPRESSIVE YOUR LINK ABOUT HAVELANGE!...

Notwithstanding, if you have links about Brazil, I also have about Italy (and there will always be somebody here saying that that's 'not relevant', or that I'm 'diverting' from the main subject)! :lol: ...

(Who displayed this link for the 1st time in SFN was the great Nachi)

Take a look (read my selection, but click on the link too: there is way more in there!):

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192448 (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192448)

So, let's leave it as that, because if we keep bringing up stinking stuff like that, we'll have to bring in the 'scavanger' too! :lol: ...

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/6452/urubufde68awx9.png
:arrow: ('Someone' will say: KK again 'evades the topic' with the use of pictures! Or, maybe - once more - he hit the nitty-gritty?)!

MAN, EVEN THE ITALIAN 'SQUAD' THAT WAS WORLD CHAMPION IN 1934 WAS FULL OF NON-NATURALIZED ARGENTINIANS (4) AND EVEN ONE BRAZILIAN :Pound:!!! (WE SHOULD COUNTABILIZE THAT TITLE TO SOUTHAMERICA INSTEAD: IT'S 10 X 8 NOW TO SA, AND BRAZIL 5 X 3 ITALY, AND ONE MORE TITLE TO ARGENTINA (3)! :lol: ...


Let's be objective: Brazil 5 x 4 Italy. PERIOD.

Well Bro that about says it all.

[Vipaman]

It also clearly shows just how weak and sad the Australian league is much like there National Team, when 2 teams are in the finals of a league championship for it too be so lopsided shows how fragile and weak this league is. Then again AUssies playing football? is quite the riot in itself. But I will confess to a half decent cricket team. Yes you are completely right Australia can not play football.


With a troll that size you were probably hoping to catch this:

http://www.hammondfishing.com/alex%20and%20ron%20kft%202004%20600x450.jpg

But in reality you caught this:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/virus/herpes/2000/coldsore.jpg

Don't be too upset Ben
:lol:
http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/images/troll.jpg


BTW, you keep revealing how little you know about the game of soccer itself as the Hyundai A Leauge is IN IT'S FIRST YEAR :lol:
;)

Keep trolling Ben, you're bound to get one sooner or later.

[Vipaman]

KK let me warn you about Vipaman since his nation cant play football for beans

Now your contradicting yourself since you used to go around here saying that Italy robbed us in the World Cup, which would mean that we actually could play worth beans, would those be lima beans btw? :lol:

But now we can't? So which one is your pick Benfica mate? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh I get it, you're just upset because I never sided with you when you trolled other superior nations than yours, so you're turning your hatred on Australia. OK. Have fun :thumb:

Couldn't be bothered to read the rest of your post Ben, it's just so poorly written that I couldn't bring myself to suffer through it. If you are 40, you should go back and finish highschool, but then again we all know you're not more than 16 :lol:

[Vipaman]

Funny you should say this Pana being you see I once said I dont know why the greeks are in an uproar when in fact Portugal and Greece and have the same amount of games and your answer to that was yeah but Portugal won friendlies and greece won the games that count the more important games???? NOw you writing this kind of backtracks that wouldnt you agree????????????? So which is it? It counts if Greece wins them but not Brazil????

it looked like Pana was mentioning tournament wins not friendly wins. Can't you learn how to read already?

[Vipaman]

kingkong u are showing that u really dont know so much about football...u only want the other members to say "hey Brazil is the best"

The best part is if everyone would say it like me:

BRAZIL IS BEST BRAZIL IS BEST BRAZIL IS BEST

Then King Kong wouldn't have anyone to argue with anymore and wouldn't post much. So we're helping him pass his day by giving him some adversaries. :lol: :lol:

[Vipaman]

Besides, Arab Emirates are way richer: you know, the money trail! :smoking: ...


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sometime ago I read something similar to this about Brazilian teams building up the reputations of their players in order to get a solid dollar back for them. It also said that only about 25% of the exports actually make it in Europe.

[Vipaman]

And Pana, you bad boy why are you trying to make this about Europe and S. American's top two teams, huh? :mad2:

:lol: just kidding mate, I know it just has to do with trying to help minimize the big King Kong's ego a bit :D. Or should I say the bit King Kongs big ego? Or King Kongs Big Ego Bit? Hahaha...he can get carried away, but don't you wish he'd look a little past his own borders and realize that futebol, as he calls it, is played outside of Brazil and in many cases just as fine if not finer? :D

But since this is about Europe and S.America with a little bit of assistance from the 'objective' facts as King Kong likes to call them, then we can say this

In the RED Corner we have Europe
In the BLUE Corner we have S.America

1 Italy 1562 1 2
2 Brazil 1540 -1 -48
3 Argentina 1535 0 -16
4 France 1496 0 -27
5 Germany 1359 0 -4
6 England 1330 0 -29
7 Netherlands 1312 0 7
8 Portugal 1262 0 4
9 Czech Republic 1193 1 3
10 Spain 1161 2 7


Yep King Kong, the numbers don't lie :hat: the final objective {that word that King Kong Likes to use so much} judgment is

South America 2 > :croc: < 8 to Europe

Now if that isn't a beating then I don't know what is :lol:

KK, you know, many can play your game right?

[kingkong]

Oooooops...

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2024/urubufde68awx9tl4.png

Right on time! :lol: ...

[benfica64]

Oooooops...

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2024/urubufde68awx9tl4.png

Right on time! :lol: ...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Iam Glad you see what I already did KK in fact I mentioned the word and Vipaman gave me 30%. I told yah he always proves me right! Vipaman does (lol) They do say a picture is worth a thousand words.

[Vipaman]

Vipaman does (lol) They do say a picture is worth a thousand words.

I bet you wouldn't have the faintest idea what that means though.

[poutismalakas]

both of you please stop hjacking the thread!

[kingkong]

1. A BRIEF MIDSUMMER'S NIGHT DREAM:
In the RED Corner we have Europe
In the BLUE Corner we have S.America

1 Italy 1562 1 2
2 Brazil 1540 -1 -48
3 Argentina 1535 0 -16
4 France 1496 0 -27
5 Germany 1359 0 -4
6 England 1330 0 -29
7 Netherlands 1312 0 7
8 Portugal 1262 0 4
9 Czech Republic 1193 1 3
10 Spain 1161 2 72. 14 YEARS OF...

MIDSUMMER'S NIGHT DREAMS! :lol: ...

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/4576/chart17fcf50ps9.png

http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/rank/compare.html?static=5

TAKE A LOOK AT THAT LOOOOOOOOOONG GREEN LINE OVER THERE!...

KNOW WHAT? THAT ONLY MEANS ONE THING:...

YOU HAD NO CHILDHOOD, NOR ADOLESCENCE, MY EURO DUDES!...
:hurt: :Pound:

[kingkong]

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/4576/chart17fcf50ps9.png

http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statisti....html?static=5 (http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/rank/compare.html?static=5)

WORDS?...

WHAT FOR WORDS?...

IF BY ANY CHANCE THOUGH YOU FEEL I'M 'DIVERTING' YOUR ATTENTION 'FROM THE MAIN TOPIC' WITH SUCH 'PICS'...

TELL ME!...

AND I SWEAR I'LL DEFINITIVELY STOP WITH THEM - FOR YOUR IMMENSE RELIEF!!! :ronaldo: ...

[poutismalakas]

maybe it would be wise to close this thread since it has cuase some fights?????

[Bosanac]

You're right, poutismalakas. This has gone long enough



:closed: