Europe vs S. America

[Laury84]

Laury,

Will you even have the courage to post in this thread after that one? :lol: ...
u know it's really dif***ulf write a post when I'm offline....

[Laury84]

Even the worst european team is better than the best asian (or stuff) team...so another time,don't say s***.

[kingkong]

Even the worst european team is better than the best asian (or stuff) team...so another time,don't say s***.

Don't tell me that a team named Siroky Brijeg can be better than any club of Tunisia, New Zealand or Bangladesh...

Muzzle by muzzle, babe :lol: ...

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3372/deadheatc27928sg4.jpg

[kingkong]

Sorry Laury,
http://www.scrolllock.nl/1.cfm
["edited" you again!...]
:boo:

[Laury84]

yeah they're better....stop

[only123123]

Well best European team France had a draw game against one of the best Asian team Korea in 2006.

France 1-1 Korea.

Teams like Korea, Australia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Japan can beat teams like Slovenia, Slovakia, San Marino, Belarus, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Bosnia, Scotland , Luxemburg etc...

So what you said is not correct at all.

Even the worst european team is better than the best asian (or stuff) team...so another time,don't say s***.

[only123123]

no they aren't
yeah they're better....stop

[football123]

i think this thread is a bit dillusional..you cant compare south america vs europe..

south america has only 2 great teams..brazil and argentina.who mostly came european immigrants anyways..hence the passion for the sport.dont tell me the sport was invented in s.a.

but now grant brazil is historically the best team. and still one of the top 5 probably.but right now we all now that some teams like france can beat brazil.

so even brazil being probably the best team in history is not like they have won the world cup 20 times..just 1 more time than italy and 2 more times than germany.

granted brazil is strong. also argentina.

in other words
s.a=
2 great teams(brazil,argentina)
2-3 decent teams as of now(ecuador,uruguay)
but the rest????. you guessed it.
---
europe has way more(quantity) of good teams:

they could give brazil a run for their money, and as we know even defeat.
italy
germany
france
----
other good teams:
croatia
england
sweden
turkey
portugal
spain
denmark
ukraine
blabla
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and the list goes on and on about decent teams.
brazil and argentina aside the good teams of europe would beat any south american team silly. and the good teams are more than 10 not just 2-4 teams.

so why they could say south america is better just because of brazil?...thats called s.a jumping on the bandwagon :sad:

and you cant count lets say san marino, vatican city, faroe islands wich is 100 times smaller than the smallest country in s.a

nothing agaisnt s.a
s.a has the best team granted.thats their only advantage really.
and europe has more quality teams.
but when it comes to tourneys europe has better record anyway you put it against s.a

[kingkong]

south america has only 2 great teams..brazil and argentina.who mostly came european immigrants anyways..hence the passion for the sport.dont tell me the sport was invented in s.a.


Europe - what to
Sth Am - how to

The sport was invented in England - the game, invented in Brazil :lol: ...

europe has more quality teams
I assume the accent of your phrase is more on MORE than on QUALITY, am I correct? :ronaldo: ...

More accurate would be to rewrite it as that: "Europe has more...(average) quality teams"...

With what we'll totally agree...

[kingkong]

Do you know why Europeans got mainly defensive from 1970 on (Holland 74 and France late 80s as honorable exceptions)?...

Simply cuzz - after the offensive trauma inflicted by Pelé & Cy from 50-70 - they had no option but elect South America as the eternal wallpaper AGAINST which the back (and the front) of their footballistic minds function...

From 1958 on, an "escapist" and programmatic defensive posture started then to shape all their tactical conceptions (its sad but real how young Europeans hit the chest full of pride for their "impennetrable" European 10-1 formations of the 90's...)

That means: from 58 to our days Europe plays in function of the Brazilian - & by extension South American - highly offensive game* (one eye as allways on their navel, but the other on us)...

Yeah, we don't have that quantity, but we have (the) quality...

SA can have Europe easely under control with a quick remote control click...

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6002/kamifrontc4d56e3km5.jpg

That's what - in its essence - the expression "owing" really means...
_______________________________________________________________
* As a matter a fact that process had already started in the 30s-50s, with the 2 Uruguayan WCs and 2 Olympic golds...

[Codythebest]

Wherever it is played, I watch on sattv4pc.com anyway because my cable won't get me THE GAME...

[Laury84]

Do you know why Europeans got mainly defensive from 1970 on (Holland 74 and France late 80s as honorable exceptions)?...

Simply cuzz - after 58, 62, 70 Pelé & Cy highly effective high voltage discharges - they elected Brazil as the eternal wallpaper AGAINST which the back (and the front) of their footballistic minds function...

That means: since 58 to our days Europe plays in function of the Brazilian - & by extension South American - game (one eye as allways on their navel, but the other on us)...

We can have Europe under control with a quick remote control click...

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6002/kamifrontc4d56e3km5.jpg

That's what - in its essence - the expression owing refers to...
u can hav Europe under control?????????????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

don't say things that are so WRONG!!!!

And we don't play in function of the Brazilians at all!!! u're not the center of our world...:)

[Laury84]

@ FOOTBALL123 : thanks God that u're in this forum!!!!!always great post from u...:) ;)

[kingkong]

u're not the center of our world...:)

We are the center of football world, how could we ever be the center of yours...

We are the fountain where you kill the thirst...

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7487/mazdafountain400wide8b3pl7.jpg

Merry Christmas, Barça!...

[football123]

lol man ur the center of your world like everyone is the center of its own world.. youre the best but not the center.. in that case the center of (training,clubs,etc) is more europe..but really is always more important your own thing...than someone else.

[football123]

thanks hun, ur the best @ laury..

@kingkong your a smart guy just a bit brazil-centric wich is good that u show ur support, anyways remember that these countries are separated. why you see them like all europeans are the same thing..like all american countries are the same thing?? you know its not like that at all...and ya you like to showoff in a good way for now :D . as long as u dont insult others like someone i know...

[Laury84]

lol man ur the center of your world like everyone is the center of its own world.. youre the best but not the center.. in that case the center of (training,clubs,etc) is more europe..but really is always more important your own thing...than someone else.
AMEN to that

[kingkong]

thanks hun, ur the best @ laury..

@kingkong your a smart guy just a bit brazil-centric wich is good that u show ur support, anyways remember that these countries are separated. why you see them like all europeans are the same thing..like all american countries are the same thing?? you know its not like that at all...and ya you like to showoff in a good way for now :D . as long as u dont insult others like someone i know...

Not a "a bit", but "a lot" brazil centric :lol:...

But who isn't "his country-centric"? Watch Laury's texts and you'll smell the "raviolli" :sad: ...

Like to be provocative but never "insulting": sometimes strong argumentation might sound "offensive" to a few narrow minds, but those are narrow minds, & possibly you know who I'm referring too...

If insulted, however, I insult (but why you brought up this subject: did I insult anybody here?)...

On the other hand, I love to be provoked...An ox not to enter a war, a herd not to leave it :evil: ...

[Laury84]

Not a "a bit", but "a lot" brazil centric :lol:...

But who isn't "his country-centric"? Watch Laury's texts and you'll smell the "raviolli" :sad: ...

Like to be provocative but never "insulting": sometimes strong argumentation might sound "offensive" to a few narrow minds, but those are narrow minds, & possibly you know who I'm referring too...

If insulted, however, I insult (but why you brought up this subject: did I insult anybody here?)...

On the other hand, I love to be provoked...An ox not to enter a war, a herd not to leave it :evil: ...
hem honey...but...mmm...who are u refering to??????who has a narrow mind in ur opinion?

[kingkong]

Football123,

I know you are not the nose-lifted European rooter, but Laury - although I like her a lot, and I even admire her for that, probably because I'm just the same - can be (and is), EVEN MORE THAN KRAM (!) :ronaldo: unbearably nose-lifted...

Sorry if my "hatred" towards her spilled on you - you had nothing to do with that!...

Laury, :p ...

[kingkong]

hem honey...but...mmm...who are u refering to??????who has a narrow mind in ur opinion?

Would never say that to you: women (specially Italians) would never have narrow minds...

Long and silky blonde hair maybe :ronaldo: ...

[Laury84]

Would never say that to you: women (specially Italians) would never have narrow minds...

Long and silky blonde hair maybe :ronaldo: ...
and who is if its not me?

[Laury84]

Football123,

I know you are not the nose-lifted European rooter, but Laury - although I like her a lot, and I even admire her for that, probably because I'm just the same - can be (and is), EVEN MORE THAN KRAM (!) :ronaldo: unbearably nose-lifted...

Sorry if my "hatred" towards her spilled on you - you had nothing to do with that!...

Laury, :p ...
:faint2: OMG Kram?!?!?we shouldn't talk about people that aren't here anymore....;)

[kingkong]

:faint2: OMG Kram?!?!?we shouldn't talk about people that aren't here anymore....;)

But...he is here...all the time!...

Bet the next post will be signed by:


KRAMYTCHENKO
World Ban Substitute

(Text):

You better admit now you ridiculous Ape how dellusional you are with your pathetic Brasilian arrogance, the arrogance of the Latin male that goes to the beach to see all those asses, when you forget that Italy this year forever kicked your round and fat butts with our magnificent Boot hope Soccerates were here to kick your ass too! Love Mariel

[Laury84]

But...he is here...all the time!...

Bet the next post will be signed by:
HE IS HERE AGAIN????really?!?!?! :lol: :lol:

btw why MarieL?what the hell has she done?I see that a lot of people hate that girl...why?

[Port Wine]

Whoa! 52 pages of posts!

I guess the controversial threads are more successful. ;)

[kingkong]

HE IS HERE AGAIN????really?!?!?! :lol: :lol:

btw why MarieL?what the hell has she done?I see that a lot of people hate that girl...why?

Cited Mariel there cuzz KR loves her & always find a way to mention her name...

More or less like you and me :heart: ...

[Laury84]

Cited Mariel there cuzz KR loves her & always find a way to mention her name...

More or less like you and me :heart: ...
aaaaahhhhhhhh...all right...;)

but why a lot of people hate MarieL?

[Xikunahity]

what a good comparison chart*

South America (CONMEBOL) = 10 countries (371 millions inhabitants)

09 World Cups,
25 Club World Cups,
03 Confederations Cups,
09 U-20 World Cups,
03 U-17 World Cups,
03 Futsal World Cups,


Total of 69 titles.

Europe (UEFA) = 54 countries (710 millions inhabitants)

09 World Cups,
21 Club World Cups,
03 Confederations Cups,
06 U-20 World Cups,
02 U-17 World Cups,
02 Futsal World Cups,


Total of 52 titles.

*lets not take money per capita in account for now

[kingkong]

what a good comparison chart*

South America (CONMEBOL) = 10 countries (371 millions inhabitants)

09 World Cups,
25 Club World Cups,
03 Confederations Cups,
09 U-20 World Cups,
03 U-17 World Cups,
03 Futsal World Cups,


Total of 69 titles.

Europe (UEFA) = 54 countries (710 millions inhabitants)

09 World Cups,
21 Club World Cups,
03 Confederations Cups,
06 U-20 World Cups,
02 U-17 World Cups,
02 Futsal World Cups,


Total of 52 titles.

*lets not take money per capita in account for now

Xiku,

Did you get those data from a specific link?...

If so, could you inform it?...

No doubt they are extremely conclusive: Europe though has 11 x 4 Olympic golds...

[only123123]

South America plays better football than Europe.

Of course.

We saw Internationale beat Barca in World Club Championship.

South America won 8 WCs and Europe won 8 Wcs. But European football nations always choked horribly when they play outside of Europe.
In South Africa, obviously South American team will win it.

[Vipaman]

I sincerely hope Bolivia can do it this time, heaps talented, utterly disappointing :)

[Laury84]

South America plays better football than Europe.

Of course.

We saw Internationale beat Barca in World Club Championship.

South America won 8 WCs and Europe won 8 Wcs. But European football nations always choked horribly when they play outside of Europe.
In South Africa, obviously South American team will win it.
yeah but even the s.americans teams play always really bad in europe...how can u explain that????

[kingkong]

yeah but even the s.americans teams play always really bad in europe...how can u explain that????

Not true!...

From the 1st WCs (3rd in Italy 38, 4th in Switzerland 54), passing by Pelé times (champion Sweden 58, champion vs Benfica in Lisbon 62), to France 98 (vice-champion), 4th Germany 74, best team of Spain 82, vice-champion Italy 90) - in all those years the WCs were in Europe - SA ruled in Europe (even when wasn't 1st)...

Without counting the annual shows SA players give in those European circuses you call clubs :Party:...

That's simply high-performance - right there in your backyard, kid!...

Get informed, sweetie! :lol: ...

[Laury84]

3rd in italy
4th in switzerland
2nd in France
2nd in Italy (and Argentina went to the final thanks to pk against italy)
that's not so good honey!!!

and best team in spain 82?!?!? :lol: :lol: u should do more research!!Italy was better than Brazil and better than Argentina....and guess what???we won in Spain 82...so don't say these things honey...

[kingkong]

3rd in italy
4th in switzerland
2nd in France
2nd in Italy (and Argentina went to the final thanks to pk against italy)
that's not so good honey!!!

and best team in spain 82?!?!? :lol: :lol: u should do more research!!Italy was better than Brazil and better than Argentina....and guess what???we won in Spain 82...so don't say these things honey...

Deliberately forgot:

Champ in Sweden 58?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUj13izb5s
Champ in Lisbon 62?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd78NOlJ5l8

Two fabulous shows your continent will never forget?...

Why, Laury: destroys your argument?...

And 2nd & 3rd are not that good?
That's podium, dear!...
Worth a medal!...

Also "forgot" the shows in your backyard leagues? Every month? Every week-end?...

What did you do far from "Mamma Europe" skirts? :ronaldo: ...

(About 82, who said Brazil was the best team of that Cup was not me, but the European specialized press, including the Italian! - not always the best win, AND THAT'S TRUE)!...

Give me one, but one, Italian player of that 82 WC that could at least scratch the back of Zico, Falcão, Sócrates, Eder; nevertheless they beat Brazil (on a chance play), & that's simply part of football: the same happened to Brazil in 50, to Hungary in 54, to Germany in 66, to Argentina in 90, to Brazil in 98).

Congrats to your Italy: you had the obligation of being WC in 82: you beat the best in the World!...

:clap2:

[kingkong]

TAKE NOTE:

IN SOUTH AFRICA 2010, EUROS ARE NOT EVEN GOING TO THE FINAL: 'TS GONNA BRAZIL X THE BEST AFRICAN...

AND, BY NOW, YOU ALREADY KNOW: WHAT I SAY, HAPPENS, LAURY:

INTER - THE REAL ONE, LAURY :lol: - IS THE 2006 CHAMPION OF THE WORLD! ...

[IN 2010, BETTER EUROS STRIVE TO GET A THIRD: IT'S WORTH A MEDAL!...]

[nachi88]

what a good comparison chart*

South America (CONMEBOL) = 10 countries (371 millions inhabitants)

09 World Cups,
25 Club World Cups,
03 Confederations Cups,
09 U-20 World Cups,
03 U-17 World Cups,
03 Futsal World Cups,
Total of 69 titles.

Europe (UEFA) = 54 countries (710 millions inhabitants)
09 World Cups,
21 Club World Cups,
03 Confederations Cups,
06 U-20 World Cups,
02 U-17 World Cups,
02 Futsal World Cups,


Total of 52 titles.

*lets not take money per capita in account for now



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This is what Xiku wrote.
In all fairness, Futsal, U-20 WC and U-17 WC do not matter at all. You havent included the olympic tournament , which was more prestigious in the pre WWII era than the WC. Europe leads SA 17-3 in that.
If you ware going to include Futsal, then you might as well include the ladies WC in which Europe again has a much better record than SA. :lol:

[nachi88]

South America plays better football than Europe.

Of course.

We saw Internationale beat Barca in World Club Championship.

South America won 8 WCs and Europe won 8 Wcs. But European football nations always choked horribly when they play outside of Europe.
In South Africa, obviously South American team will win it.

Europe choked outside of Europe??? Not true.

In all the WCs outside of Europe, apart from the 1930 and 1950 WC, atleast one European team has made it to the finals.
Compare this with the S American record in Europe.
2006,1966,1982,1934,1954,1974 and 1938. These were all European finals. So, if anything, leaving the 1958 abberation, South American teams have not performed well in Europe. But European teams have consistently made it to the finals in non European countries.

This perspective cannot be overlooked.

[Xikunahity]

In all fairness, Futsal, U-20 WC and U-17 WC do not matter at all. You havent included the olympic tournament , which was more prestigious in the pre WWII era than the WC. Europe leads SA 17-3 in that.


for years the olympics were a mere amateurish competition, they didnt want to compete with the world cup, so that was the rule, no professionals, thats when the socialist countries rules

the u-20 and u-17, only shows this 'EU forge players' is utter BS

funny cause, olympics now is a U-23 and you seem to care
if you think ladies football is better than men futsal, go for it

[kingkong]

Europe choked outside of Europe??? Not true.

In all the WCs outside of Europe, apart from the 1930 and 1950 WC, atleast one European team has made it to the finals.
Compare this with the S American record in Europe.
2006,1966,1982,1934,1954,1974 and 1938. These were all European finals. So, if anything, leaving the 1958 abberation, South American teams have not performed well in Europe. But European teams have consistently made it to the finals in non European countries.

This perspective cannot be overlooked.

In all fairness, Futsal, U-20 WC and U-17 WC do not matter at all. You havent included the olympic tournament , which was more prestigious in the pre WWII era than the WC. Europe leads SA 17-3 in that.
If you ware going to include Futsal, then you might as well include the ladies WC in which Europe again has a much better record than SA. :lol:
FUTSAL SHOULDN'T COUNT, IT'S A PARALLEL SPORT & STILL IS AN INTERNATIONALLY YOUNG SPORT: NACHI IS RIGHT...

WOMEN'S FOOTBALL SHOULD COUNT THOUGH (EVERY SPORT HAS - & MUST HAVE - ITS LEGITIMATE FEMININE COUNTERPART): NACHI IS RIGHT...

THE OLYMPICS THOUGH ARE & HAVE ALWAYS BEEN (SEMI) AMATEURISH: ITS "BIGGER PRESTIGE" IN THE 30S AND 40S DERIVED FROM BEING AN OLDER, MORE ENCOMPASSING [AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF COUNTRIES & THE VARIETY OF THE SPORTS INVOLVED] EUROPE-CENTERED TOURNAMENT (ONLY EUROPEANS WOULD AFFORD PRACTICING FOOTBALL WITHOUT ANY COMMERCIAL SPONSORING, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE "OLYMPIC IDEAL"), THAT'S WHY A GREAT PART OF THOSE EURO TITLES BELONGS TO "AMATEURISH" EASTERN EUROPE: XIKU IS RIGHT...

SAYING THOUGH THAT "U-20 WC and U-17 DO NOT MATTER AT ALL" IS AN EXAGGERATION: THEY ARE SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES OF PRO FOOTBALL; THEIR RANGE IS RESTRICTED BY AGE THOUGH: BOTH NACHI AND XIKU ARE RIGHT (OR WRONG)...

1958 WAS NOT AN "ABERRATION": IT WAS THE DEFINITIVE CONFIRMATION OF A TREND, INITIATED IN 50 & 54...

A TREND THAT BECAME THE RULE (AND NOT THE EXCEPTION) FROM 1958 TO OUR DAYS: THE FAMOUS 1882 BRAZILIAN TEAM IN SPAIN, THE 2ND PLACE IN ITALY 90, THE 2ND PLACE IN FRANCE 98, AND EVEN THE 1974 4TH & THE 2006 5TH PLACE "FIASCOS" IN GERMANY - BRAZIL DIDN'T DO GOOD IN 06, ALL RIGHT, BUT WHO DID? NOT EVEN "THE CHAMPS" DID (DON'T KILL ME LAURY, BUT IT'S TRUE)!... - WERE MORE THAN HONORABLE EUROPEAN CAMPAIGNS...

EVEN IN THE WORST YEARS, BRAZIL ALWAYS ARRIVED TO ALL EUROPEAN WORLD CUPS, IF NOT AS THE MAIN, AT LEAST AS ONE OF THE FAVOURITE RUNNER-UPS...

A TREND WHICH WAS AND HAS BEEN BRILLIANTLY STRESSED BY SUCCESSIVE VICTORIOUS WCC RESULTS, TOO...

In all the WCs outside of Europe (...) at least one European team has made it to the finals

That "all" is not able to disguise the fact that, out of 18 WCs in History, only 4 were played in South American territory, and other 4 ones in absolutely neutral continents: North America, Asia (Mexico twice, USA, Korea/Japan)...

So - where it really matters: in your main enemy's house - only twice you got to the finals, and never won any...

We arrived 3 times to a final in your continent, with 5 x less countries, and significantly won 1!...

Compare this with the S American record in Europe

Just did it, mate... What do you have to say? :D ...

Odds entirely in your favour, and, since 1958, you've never surpassed us...

SOUTH AM RELATIVE ADVANTADGE IS BLATANT...

[Laury84]

TAKE NOTE:

IN SOUTH AFRICA 2010, EUROS ARE NOT EVEN GOING TO THE FINAL: 'TS GONNA BRAZIL X THE BEST AFRICAN...

AND, BY NOW, YOU ALREADY KNOW: WHAT I SAY, HAPPENS, LAURY:

INTER - THE REAL ONE, LAURY :lol: - IS THE 2006 CHAMPION OF THE WORLD! ...

[IN 2010, BETTER EUROS STRIVE TO GET A THIRD: IT'S WORTH A MEDAL!...]
:mad2: :mad2:

don't say that "ur Inter" is the real one...coz maybe only 4 a month now the world will know that ur team exists...
and guess what???everybody knows that my Inter (Internazionale,Inter Milan or whatever u call it) exists since 1908....I'm sorry 4 u...

[Xikunahity]

Xiku,

Did you get those data from a specific link?...

If so, could you inform it?...

No doubt they are extremely conclusive: Europe though has 11 x 4 Olympic golds...

i was googling and found it in another board bigsoccer.com



THE WOMEN'S RECORDS SHOULD COUNT (EVERY SPORT HAS - & MUST HAVE - ITS LEGITIMATE FEMININE COUNTERPART): NACHI IS RIGHT...

FUTSAL SHOULDN'T COUNT, IT'S A PARALLEL SPORT & BESIDES IS STILL AN INTERNATIONALLY YOUNG SPORT: NACHI IS RIGHT...

i think it kinda depends...futsal aint conclusive in comparisons, but still is a variation of the same abilities and skills brought to another environment and conditions, not coincidently, fifa organizes both competitions and i personnaly think futsal should be in olympics in place of many sports, even men football

i ommited two other points when pasting and copying: awards to world player of the year 7x7, cause fifa only chooses players from EU (and we still tie this shit) and beach soccer SA 10x2 EU, since many countries didnt play it, just like women football for a long time in many countries like in SA

[Laury84]

cmon King kong if Brazil "wins" the 4th place it's not good!cmon...don't say that only coz u don't wanna say that u play always bad in Europe...u should show that u're a smart person (I know that u are smart) and 4 1 TIME JUST ONE TIME say "yeah maybe in Europe we don't play always really well"..

and please cmon stop say that Italy shouldn't hav won here or shouldn't hav won there...coz I'm really tired of hearing only bad things about my nt or country...really...grow up guys...

[kingkong]

:mad2: :mad2:

don't say that "ur Inter" is the real one...coz maybe only 4 a month now the world will know that ur team exists...
and guess what???everybody knows that my Inter (Internazionale,Inter Milan or whatever u call it) exists since 1908....I'm sorry 4 u...

Love when you get mad :lol: ...

[Laury84]

Love when you get mad :lol: ...
u're not the first one that tells me this kind of thing...:p

[kingkong]

don't say that "ur Inter" is the real one...coz maybe only 4 a month now the world will know that ur team exists...


Who?...

the world [???]
Europe?...

But in 1982, Europe (or, the "world" :lol:) already knew Inter very well: Falcão - later crowned by you Italians as "King of Rome" - was real Inter's captain, my deah!...

Google, Wikipedia, Laury...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Roberto_Falc%C3%A3o

[kingkong]

Love when you get mad :lol: ...


u're not the first one that tells me this kind of thing...:p

Confess:

You get madder at me than at anyone...

:mad2: :heart: :mad2: :heart: :mad2: ;)

[Laury84]

Who is...


Europe?...

But in 1982, Europe (or, the "world" :lol:) already knew Inter very well: Falcão - later crowned by you Italians as "King of Rome" - was its captain, my deah!...
please don't say that ur team is more famous than my team!!!

cmon....

[Laury84]

But you get madder at me than at anyone :mad2: :heart: :mad2: :heart: :mad2: ;) ...
coz u say only bad things about my teams (italy and inter)!!!!

but don't be so sure...ask to benfica...:lol:

[kingkong]

please don't say that ur team is more famous than my team!!!

cmon....

Never said nor I will ever say something like that...

It's you who said your Inter is "more famous"...

It can be in Europe (that you confound with "the world")...

The only Inter we know in Brazil though is the defending 2006 World Champion...

Did you confer that link?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Roberto_Falc%C3%A3o

[Laury84]

Never said nor I will ever say something like that...

It's you who said your Inter is "more famous"...

It can be in Europe (that you confound with "the world")...

The only Inter we know in Brazil though is the defending 2006 World Champion...

Did you confer that link?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Roberto_Falc%C3%A3o
and u are saying that Brazil is the world...

But I didn't say that Europe is the world...coz even in Africa,Asia,Oceania and all America (except fro Brazil) knows my Inter...

[kingkong]

and u are saying that Brazil is the world...

But I didn't say that Europe is the world...coz even in Africa,Asia,Oceania and all America (except fro Brazil) knows my Inter...

Bad Brazilians!...

How dare!?...

But, it's because "the rest of the world" doesn't have the priviledge of having an Inter as we do...

I was speaking in general :smoking:: I myself though always knew your Inter...

I had for long heard of the legendary beauty of its blond tiffosi, and ever since I promised myself I'd get to know them...

SFN is allowing my remotest dreams come true!!! :kiss: ...

[kingkong]

even in Africa,Asia,Oceania...know my Inter

A-ha!...

For that, Africa, Asia, Oceania, are "good", right? ;) ...

Get pissed though with "so many millions" knowing you!...

Can't it be just 3 or four 4 dudes?...

I don't want "my" Inter Blondie becoming an Intercontinental Soccer Messalina...

:ronaldo:

[Laury84]

Bad Brazilians!...

How dare!?...

But, it's because "the rest of the world" doesn't have the priviledge of having an Inter as we do...

I was speaking in general :smoking:: I myself though always knew your Inter...

I had heard of the legendary beauty of its blond tiffosi, and ever since I promised to myself I'd get to know one of them...

SFN is making my remotest dreams come true!!! :kiss: ...
:lol: :lol:

we are really famous...COZ WE ARE THE BEST!!!!!!who do u support in the italian serie a??

btw TIFOSI with only a f...;)

[Laury84]

Hmmm!...

For that Africa, Asia, Oceania are "good", right? ;) ...

Get pissed though with "so many millions" knowing you!...

Can't it be just 3 or four 4 dudes?...

I don't want "my" Inter Blondie becoming an Intercontinental Soccer Messalina...

:ronaldo:
not 4 that...I was only saying that coz u think that I think that Europe is the World...but hey I'll always support inter (my inter) even if I'll be the only one person in the world to know this team...it's love!!

[kingkong]

Laury,

Don't you think all that can be considered as spam?...

That we might be "using" SFN space to subreptisciously entertain...a 'secret affair'?

Let's pretend not to know each other for some time, OK?...

A-ham - Laury? - no, never heard that name before!...

(P.M.: weird...I'm...already missing you!...)

[Laury84]

:lol :lol:

all right...nice to meet u kong! :lol:


did u mean :focus: ?

[benfica64]

coz u say only bad things about my teams (italy and inter)!!!!

but don't be so sure...ask to benfica...:lol:

KK I can vouch she hates me alot more than you, and its all good love and hate goes hand in hand. (lol) She loves to hate me!! (lol)

[kingkong]

KK I can vouch she hates me alot more than you, and its all good love and hate goes hand in hand. (lol) She loves to hate me!! (lol)

Meet you Tuesday in Wichita at noon...

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3842/stadt4k24564f9ei0.jpg

Be there...

[kingkong]

What an Italian girl doesn't do to a man...

Benfica64 & KK are about to protagonize a spaghetti western! :lol: ...

[Laury84]

KK I can vouch she hates me alot more than you, and its all good love and hate goes hand in hand. (lol) She loves to hate me!! (lol)
yeah Benfica...I cannot hide my feelings anymore... I Love u!!! :p

[Laury84]

What an Italian girl doesn't do to a man...

Benfica64 & KK are about to protagonize a spaghetti western! :lol: ...
oh yeah...I wanna be there!

[kingkong]

yeah Benfica...I cannot hide my feelings anymore... I Love u!!! :p

Oh yeah!..."I don't care" babe :mad2: ...Benfica, you can have the spaghetti all for yourself!...

[emode]

:lol: :lol: :lol: .... u people cracks me up!!!!!

[Laury84]

Oh yeah!..."I don't care" babe :mad2: ...Benfica, you can have the spaghetti all for yourself!...
:lol: don't be sad...I love u tooooooo!!!! but if u "don't care".....:p

[kingkong]

Really :heart: ?!...

Will bring the mustard & ketchup then babe!...

Benfica, we don't need to fight, do we?...

If we duel in the meantime she can go for a pizza with the sheriff!...

Better sharing in peace a good filet mignon than having that daily ground

beef of your wife just for yourself! :ronaldo: ...

http://www.kingofobsolete.ca/cheese%20whiz%20and%20ground%20beef%20june%2019%202004%20002.jpg

[Laury84]

the sheriff is my boyfriend right now...:p

[kingkong]

the sheriff is my boyfriend right now...:p

Women are all the same! :sad: ...

[Laury84]

Women are all the same! :sad: ...
what do u mean?!?!?!?

I was joking...I'm not like that...:sad:...

[kingkong]

what do u mean?!?!?!?

I was joking...I'm not like that...

I know, "our" love, oops I mean, my love! :lol: ...

[Port Wine]

KK I can vouch she hates me alot more than you, and its all good love and hate goes hand in hand. (lol) She loves to hate me!! (lol)
Now this was funny. :lol:

[kingkong]

Now this was funny

Looks like there is a patrício, Benf, opportunistically trying to marinate our filet with Port wine! :redeyes: ...

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3830/trttorikara215476c0hu1.jpg

[benfica64]

Meet you Tuesday in Wichita at noon...

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3842/stadt4k24564f9ei0.jpg

Be there...


hahaha, be there with my long barrel.

[benfica64]

yeah Benfica...I cannot hide my feelings anymore... I Love u!!! :p

Holy moly mother of God, did I read it right??? hahahahaha!! How can u love me laury me and you always want to do battle on here. (lol) isnt it fun?

[benfica64]

Really :heart: ?!...

Will bring the mustard & ketchup then babe!...

Benfica, we don't need to fight, do we?...

If we duel in the meantime she can go for a pizza with the sheriff!...

Better sharing in peace a good filet mignon than having that daily ground

beef of your wife just for yourself! :ronaldo: ...

http://www.kingofobsolete.ca/cheese%20whiz%20and%20ground%20beef%20june%2019%202004%20002.jpg


No need to at all KK, shes all yours! Be good to her, only Iam allowed to be mean with her and that only cuss shes double mean with me hahahaha!! You guys go on a share a pizza while watching a good game of football.

[Laury84]

Holy moly mother of God, did I read it right??? hahahahaha!! How can u love me laury me and you always want to do battle on here. (lol) isnt it fun?
do u know the meaning of joke?

[Laury84]

No need to at all KK, shes all yours! Be good to her, only Iam allowed to be mean with her and that only cuss shes double mean with me hahahaha!! You guys go on a share a pizza while watching a good game of football.
all right let's go back to our battles....I really like them...:D

[Vipaman]

Deliberately forgot:

Champ in Sweden 58?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUj13izb5s
Champ in Lisbon 62?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd78NOlJ5l8

Wasn't the 1962 World Cup in Chile and not Lisbon/Portugal?!

The 1962 FIFA World Cup, the seventh staging of the World Cup, was held in Chile from May 30 to June 17. Chile was chosen as hosts by FIFA in June 1956, as the World Cup returned to the continent of South America after 12 years. It was won by Brazil, who retained the championship by beating Czechoslovakia 3-1 in the final.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_FIFA_World_Cup

[Port Wine]

Looks like there is a patrício, Benf, opportunistically trying to marinate our filet with Port wine! :redeyes: ...

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3830/trttorikara215476c0hu1.jpg

KK, nothing like a bit of Port Wine to make the dish taste better. ;)

[Laury84]

Wasn't the 1962 World Cup in Chile and not Lisbon/Portugal?!

The 1962 FIFA World Cup, the seventh staging of the World Cup, was held in Chile from May 30 to June 17. Chile was chosen as hosts by FIFA in June 1956, as the World Cup returned to the continent of South America after 12 years. It was won by Brazil, who retained the championship by beating Czechoslovakia 3-1 in the final.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_FIFA_World_Cup
really??? :lol:

king kong king kong......this is a big mistake...:sad:

[Laury84]

king kong: u told me that u don't know who is Facchetti
Fachetti? Sure's not spaghetti???...

and that he wasn't so good

But: I love spaghetti! :lol: ...

[kingkong]

Wasn't the 1962 World Cup in Chile and not Lisbon/Portugal?!
The 1962 FIFA World Cup, the seventh staging of the World Cup, was held in Chile from May 30 to June 17. Chile was chosen as hosts by FIFA in June 1956, as the World Cup returned to the continent of South America after 12 years. It was won by Brazil, who retained the championship by beating Czechoslovakia 3-1 in the final.

really???
king kong king kong...this is a big mistake...
Laury,

I want to hear from your mouth - and Vipaman's - what happened in Lisbon in 1962!...

Later - if you study well - will give you a loollypop...

Give you a chance to say : KK you were right!...

As for now, ask the others (Benfica, Port Wine) for help, please :lol: ...

Give you a hint though...


"Champ in Lisbon 62?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd78NOlJ5l8"

[benfica64]

I want to hear from your mouth - and Vipaman's - what happened in Lisbon in 1962!...

Later - if you study well - will give you a loollypop...

Give you a chance to say : KK you were right!...

As for now, ask the others (Benfica, Port Wine) for help, please :lol: ...

Give you a hint though...



[/QUOTE]

There is no helping those with completely no understanding of the game, only those that comprend to a certain degree. THat was an awesome game Benfica VS Santos (what can one say about Pele that already hasnt been said. Simply the most divine supreme footballer off ALL TIME!!!! you can take that to the bank baby.

[Laury84]

Laury,

I want to hear from your mouth - and Vipaman's - what happened in Lisbon in 1962!...

Later - if you study well - will give you a loollypop...

Give you a chance to say : KK you were right!...

As for now, ask the others (Benfica, Port Wine) for help, please :lol: ...

Give you a hint though...




well kk u cannot put in a list an IC when we were talking about the World Cup...cmon....we were talking about WCs...why the hell u wrote that?!?!?!?!:mad2:

[kingkong]

well kk u cannot put in a list an IC when we were talking about the World Cup...cmon....we were talking about WCs...why the hell u wrote that?!?!?!?!:mad2:

The thread is Europe vs SA, and that's we are talking about....

WC or IC?...

Both are World Cups!...

One for Clubs, the other for National Teams!...

This year you won one, we won the other!...

1 x 1 to us! ;) ...

And there are NO more important tournaments on the planet than those!...

PERIOD.

[Laury84]

The thread is Europe vs SA.

WC or IC?...

Both are World Cups!...

One for Clubs, the other for National Teams!...

Thiesyear you won one, we won the other!...

1 x 1 to us! ;) ...

And there are NO more important tournaments on the planet than those!...

PERIOD.
:lol:

but cmon...in that moment we were talking about WC!!!

[Vipaman]

The thread is Europe vs SA, and that's we are talking about....

WC or IC?...

Both are World Cups!...

One for Clubs, the other for National Teams!...

This year you won one, we won the other!...

1 x 1 to us! ;) ...

And there are NO more important tournaments on the planet than those!...

PERIOD.


heh, that was a clever bit of reverse engineering to cover up a bad mistake. You did say that Brazil won the world cup in Europe in 1962, or at least tried to make it look that way.

[Laury84]

heh, that was a clever bit of reverse engineering to cover up a bad mistake. You did say that Brazil won the world cup in Europe in 1962, or at least tried to make it look that way.
oh...I'm not retarded!

[Laury84]

Fachetti? Sure's not spaghetti???...

But: I love spaghetti! :lol: ...
what the hell hav u done with my post kk?!?!:mad2:

don't do it again!

and show some respect 4 Giacinto...thanks!

[Laury84]

I want to hear from your mouth - and Vipaman's - what happened in Lisbon in 1962!...

Later - if you study well - will give you a loollypop...

Give you a chance to say : KK you were right!...

As for now, ask the others (Benfica, Port Wine) for help, please :lol: ...

Give you a hint though...





There is no helping those with completely no understanding of the game, only those that comprend to a certain degree. THat was an awesome game Benfica VS Santos (what can one say about Pele that already hasnt been said. Simply the most divine supreme footballer off ALL TIME!!!! you can take that to the bank baby.[/QUOTE]





I hav never said that it wasn't an awesome game...I was only saying that if we were talking in that moment about WORLD CUPS why the hell he wrote that match?!?!?!

[kingkong]

heh, that was a clever bit of reverse engineering to cover up a bad mistake. You did say that Brazil won the world cup in Europe in 1962, or at least tried to make it look that way.
I was only saying that if we were talking in that moment about WORLD CUPS why the hell he wrote that match?!?!?!
oh...I'm not retarded!
"Clever bit of reverse engineering" - wow what a "praise"!...

A Brazilian "elástico"! :rockon: ...

Means I did succeed in covering up my "bad mistake", right Vip? :lol: ...

How interesting though: maybe the "bad mistake" was all yours...

Could you tell me in which part of this Forum I stated that "Brazil won the world cup in Europe in 1962"?...

I know you want to win the argument, but to say that was not very clever engineering, Vip :sad: ...

Nonetheless, Brazil did win a "world cup" in Lisbon in 1962 (besides the 1962 World Cup in Chile)...

Satisfied?...

The WCC is a World Cup, wish you or not, mate, only with clubs, and that's the truth that you & Laury hate to accept...

As a matter of fact, in 1962, Brazil was world champion twice, one in Chile and the other in Europe :smoking: ...

I even gave you a visual example of that world cup:

Champ in Lisbon 62
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd78NOlJ5l8
How could I have said that that was the 1962 NT World Cup in Chile?...

I'm not the "retarded" one here...

Another chance to win the lollypop:

QUIZ:

What is a "world cup"?:

(a) a top world tournament disputed by National Teams
(b) a top world tournament disputed by clubs
(c) both

Confess:

You guys simply don't want "to give the arm to twist" (Brazilian jiu-jitsu expression) - arm that I had already "twisted" (educatedly, though)...

And now are shrieking with the legs up (just like Ronaldo's upside down "cockroach death dance") :ronaldo: ...

Thanks for the "clever" anyway, Vip!...

Hey, guys: would never say you're "retarded" - just a bit slow :lol: ...

Don't miss your lollypop!...
http://www.plusonegallery.com/images/Thumbs/Lollypop.jpg

[621380]

The thread is Europe vs SA, and that's we are talking about....

WC or IC?...

Both are World Cups!...

One for Clubs, the other for National Teams!...

This year you won one, we won the other!...

1 x 1 to us! ;) ...

And there are NO more important tournaments on the planet than those!...

PERIOD.

in the 70s the intercontinental cup wasnt the most important cup for europeans...bayern did not play 2 years, ajax did not play 2 years...the reason was argentinien clubs and the storys in intercontinental cup games before...example..after a interconinental cup game in argentina 2 argentinian players was jailed for 1 months and 1 other was suspended for lifetime.it was a game against a italien club....

bayern and ajax wasnt intrest to risk injurys of keyplayers against such southamerican clubs.......

.athletico madrid,4:0 beaten finalist in europeanchampions cup won the intercontinental cup 1974, bayern has refused to play....

[kingkong]

in the 70s the intercontinental cup wasnt the most important cup for europeans...bayern did not play 2 years, ajax did not play 2 years...the reason was argentinien clubs and the storys in intercontinental cup games before...example..after a interconinental cup game in argentina 2 argentinian players was jailed for 1 months and 1 other was suspended for lifetime.it was a game against a italien club....

bayern and ajax wasnt intrest to risk injurys of keyplayers against such southamerican clubs.......

.athletico madrid,4:0 beaten finalist in europeanchampions cup won the intercontinental cup 1974, bayern has refused to play....

Europeans never decided what's more important or not for world football...

Maybe before 1930...

Besides the facts happened in those 2 or 3 years of the 70's were rare exceptions due to localized causes...

European savagery also happened in Italy against Santos in the 1st game of the 1963 WCC against Milan; they broke Pelé in the San Siro for the 2 last games in Brazil: Santos didn't run away though and won the title...

Besides, the prestige of no tournament is shaken because of lack of interest of anyone...

England - the inventors of the sport - never "gave a monkeys" about the WC up to 1958, and the WC kept being the WC...

Pelé, after FIFA'S authorized 1966 slaughtering of South American NT's in England, promised never more play a WC against "such European butcher's teams" either, but the WCs would go on without him anyway...

If Pelé wasn't able to disauthorize a tournament, who else would? Mickey Roonney? :ronaldo: ...

European clubs always participated of the tournament (99% of the times with their full teams) giving the maximum they could (ask Liverpool and Barcelona)...

The rest is cheap talk...

Besides is this a game for men or sissies? ("we are so tired", "prefer to play at home", "my feet are worth millions", "they are so violent")...

Enough with old excuses...

[Laury84]

all right let's stop this...nobody here is retarded....maybe only me :D

[Laury84]

btw kk in ur opinion my team is the best in the world coz we played 2 IC and we won 2 IC!yeah...I agree with u...

[kingkong]

btw kk in ur opinion my team is the best in the world coz we played 2 IC and we won 2 IC!yeah...I agree with u...

Laury,

There should be a whole Forum just for "your" Internazionale, where you'd be Administrator, Supermod, Senior Mod, Mod & regular member; you could also create sockpuppets in order to say bad things about Inter, all that to see their posts immmediately deleted and their nicks chased around the whole Forum & finally banned like mad dogs...

And you'd reign absolute in IFN! :D ...

:cheer:

[emode]

Whats up guys? So how is everyone doing in here :D?
Are you guys having a fight? :fencing: who's winning?

[kingkong]

Whats up guys? So how is everyone doing in here :D?
Are you guys having a fight? :fencing: who's winning?
Any doubts?...
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4438/kingkongaj5.jpg

[Laury84]

Laury,

There should be a whole Forum just for "your" Internazionale, where you'd be Administrator, Supermod, Senior Mod, Mod & regular member; you could also create sockpuppets in order to say bad things about Inter, all that to see their posts immmediately deleted and their nicks chased around the whole Forum & finally banned like mad dogs...

And you'd reign absolute in IFN! :D ...

:cheer:
this should be funny?!?! why did u say that?

I really didn't undersand why...:sad:...

RETARDED RETARDED RERARDED (me)!

:cheer:

[kingkong]

btw kk in ur opinion my team is the best in the world coz we played 2 IC and we won 2 IC!yeah...I agree with u...


The talk is about WC's: what the hell are you mentioning here WCCs or ICs? :lol: ...

Besides, great Inter, you are also a great world club: the same way Pelé's Santos played 2 and won 2 ICs, you are in great company!...

(São Paulo won 3 though...)

[kingkong]

this should be funny?!?! why did u say that?

I really didn't undersTand why...

RETARDED RETARDED RETARDED (me)!



Laury,

Why are you so defensive?...

That is just a JOKE!...

Yeah, you're supposed to laugh...

HA HA HA! :lol:

[kingkong]

this should be funny?!?! why did u say that?

I really didn't undersand why...:sad:...

RETARDED RETARDED RERARDED (me)!


http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4425/retarded3df0b0qu6.jpg

[kingkong]

this should be funny?!?! why did u say that?

I really didn't understand why...

RETARDED RETARDED RETARDED (me)!


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8793/retarded68aa8eeo3.jpg

OK, YOU WIN, LAURY! :lol: ...

[kingkong]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4267/retard6be527le2.jpg

ME, TOO! :rockon: ...

[Laury84]

Laury,

Why are you so defensive?...

That is just a JOKE!...

Yeah, you're supposed to laugh...

HA HA HA! :lol:
It was morning...and I'm always retarded in the morning...

btw I know what is a joke...u're a mod...u can ask if they can make that forum? :D

[Vipaman]

Means I did succeed in covering up my "bad mistake", right Vip? :lol: ...

Nah, you would have succeeded if I didn't catch you :lol:

[bran d]

i'd say South America.
'Cause they have to vs Brazil and Argentina

[bran d]

This is a verry popular thread

[kingkong]

Nah, you would have succeeded if I didn't catch you :lol:

Mean Vipa!...He caught me (he and wicked Laury)...dam! :mad2:

[kingkong]

This is a verry popular thread

Will never stop, wanna bet?...

[Laury84]

i'd say South America.
'Cause they have to vs Brazil and Argentina
and what about europe?we don't hav only Brazil and Argentina...

[emode]

This is a verry popular thread
Its a very popular thread b/c you can talk about just about everything in here ...try it sooner or later u found u can't leave!!!:D

[kingkong]

Its a very popular thread b/c you can talk just about everything in here ...try it sooner or later u found u can't leave!!!:D

You're right e-mode, and that's why is fascinating...

Europe invented the sport, South America developed it to a point they even surpassed the master, the master didn't like it and try to our days to revert the situation, but it's complicated...

They don't know exactly as it happened and try to understand it (although most of the times they won't concede they are behind), and the theories and explanations to that fact can have several origins (social, economic, cultural, psychologic, climatic, biologic, esoteric :lol:, anthropologic etc) that go far beyond football itself...

That's why in a thread like this sometimes you'll find people discussing about the sex of the angels, and you shouldn't be surprised with that...

In the "Europe vs S. America" thread "you can talk just about everything" because it's in the spirit of the thread itself...

Here "being strictly on topic" is often "being off-topic": Bosanac started discussing "if it was harder for Euros or SAs to classify for WCs", but the title of his thread suggests and allows much more than that - and that's where resides its charm...

If we just restrained ourselves to "that" specific discussion, the most popular thread in this Forum would just be dead by now...

I imagine you don't want it, do you?...

[Laury84]

Its a very popular thread b/c you can talk about just about everything in here ...try it sooner or later u found u can't leave!!!:D
amen

[emode]

Some comments on kingkong earlier posts:
Europe invented the sport, South America developed it to a point they even surpassed the master, the master didn't like it and try to our days to revert the situation, but it's complicated...
Hey i thought China invented football but i could get my info wrong since most time i'm clueless :)

They don't know exactly as it happened and try to understand it (although most of the times they won't concede they are behind), and the theories and explanations to that fact can have several origins (social, economic, cultural, psychologic, climatic, biologic, esoteric :lol:, anthropologic etc) that go far beyond football itself...
Yes its hard to understand the theories & explainations because of the various factors contributing to its development where the protege overcome the master. But its bound to happen when the master still clings to old theories while the protege experiments & develops new techique far beyond the master

That's why in a thread like this sometimes you'll find people discussing about the sex of the angels, and you shouldn't be surprised with that...
Yes, i'm not suprise anymore with the topic in this thread

In the "Europe vs S. America" thread "you can talk just about everything" because it's in the spirit of the thread itself...

Here "being strictly on topic" is often "being off-topic": Bosanac started discussing "if it was harder for Euros or SAs to classify for WCs", but the title of his thread suggests and allows much more than that - and that's where resides its charm...
I tried being on topic on this thread but found it impossible because the spirit of the thread is so charmingly off topic

If we just restrained ourselves to "that" specific discussion, the most popular thread in this Forum would just be dead by now...
Totally agree & i'm gonna keep this thread alive by being off topic :D

I imagine you don't want it, do you?...
No i don't want it that way anymore ;) :rockon:

[Calif]

South America...End to the discussion.......

[kingkong]

South America...End to the discussion.......

There's someone with power of...synthesis! :lol: ...

[kingkong]

Totally agree & i'm gonna keep this thread alive by being off topic

Good start: what's the sex of the angels? :ronaldo: ...

[kingkong]

amen

C'mon Laury!...

You agreeing with "that"? :Pound:...

You're the most off-topic poster of SFN!...

Sheer charm!...

[kingkong]

i thought China invented football

Euros invented 'modern football': better that way?...

Anyhow that's an extremely interesting "off-topic" discussion!...

If we elaborate a bit on it, maybe we'll end out discovering that the topic itself (Europe x S. America) is off-topic...

Perhaps it should be more righteously named "Europe x S. America x Asia")...

And the WCC confrontation in Japan, with the participation of the Asian champion, already points to that (see how in this thread off-topic statements can intertwine with on-topic ones?)...

I'm so sure you're starting to agree with me! ;) ...

[Laury84]

Some comments on kingkong earlier posts:

Hey i thought China invented football but i could get my info wrong since most time i'm clueless :)


Yes its hard to understand the theories & explainations because of the various factors contributing to its development where the protege overcome the master. But its bound to happen when the master still clings to old theories while the protege experiments & develops new techique far beyond the master


Yes, i'm not suprise anymore with the topic in this thread


I tried being on topic on this thread but found it impossible because the spirit of the thread is so charmingly off topic


Totally agree & i'm gonna keep this thread alive by being off topic :D


No i don't want it that way anymore ;) :rockon:
omg in this thread too no please...

[Laury84]

and emode the name "ENGLAND" tells u something?It's the name of the country that invented football...

I think that Asia didn't invent anything in the history...:sad:

[Laury84]

C'mon Laury!...

You agreeing with "that"? :Pound:...

You're the most off-topic poster of SFN!...

Sheer charm!...
what are u saying??????????

I'm the only one with u that keep this thread alive...not emode or someone else

[Laury84]

South America...End to the discussion.......
:lol: no way honey no way

[Laury84]

Euros invented 'modern football': better that way?...

Anyhow that's an extremely interesting "off-topic" discussion!...

If we elaborate a bit on it, maybe we'll end out discovering that the topic itself (Europe x S. America) is off-topic...

Perhaps it should be more righteously named "Europe x S. America x Asia")...

And (see how in this thread off-topic statements can intertwine with on-topic ones?) the WCC confrontation in Japan, with the participation of the Asian champion, already points to that...

I'm so sure you're starting to agree with me! ;) ...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

ASIA?!?!?!? :lol: :lol: :lol: who cares about Asia?????They're shit in football...it's ridiculous that they can play in the WC...look at the Asian cup...do u care something????cmon...Asia...I didn't even know that was in the map...:lol:

[kingkong]

ASIA?!?!?!?who cares about Asia?????They're shit in football...it's ridiculous that they can play in the WC...look at the Asian cup...do u care something????cmon...Asia...I didn't even know that was in the map...

Did your "Pappy" forget to tell you how your 4-time Champ Italy was thrown away from the 1966 World Cup by North Korea, Laury babe? :lol: ...

Besides, since your "Pappy" didn't pass that information to you, don't tell him either that in 2002 South Korea and Turkey (which is half Asian) were respectively 4th and 3rd places...

Where were your 4-time Champs by then? Buying cheap cameras to their "mammas" in Yokohama? :ronaldo: ...

After that (before calling the others "shit") I'd simply start studying Geography with my mouth very well..."SHUT"! :sad: ...

[kingkong]

x

[kingkong]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

ASIA?!?!?!? :lol: :lol: :lol: who cares about Asia????? cmon...Asia...I didn't even know that was in the map...:lol:


I think that Asia didn't invent anything in the history...:sad:
Laury,

I like you a lot, but you got to stop saying ignorant things about other people:

http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=inventors&cdn=money&tm=253&gps=95_6_1020_640&f=00&su=p284.21.140.ip_&tt=14&bt=1&bts=0&zu=http%3A//sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inventions.html

Chinese Inventions

Papermaking

http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inline/paper.gif

Chinese legend tells that the new invention of paper was presented to the Emperor in the year 105 AD by Cai Lun. Archeological evidence, however, shows that paper was in use two hundred years before then. Either way, the Chinese were significantly ahead of the rest of the world. The craft of papermaking relied upon an abundance of bamboo fiber to produce a fine quality paper. In China: Ancient Arts and Sciences, the papermaker uses only the traditional materials and methods to produce fine art paper.

Printing

http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inline/print.gif

The Chinese invention of moveable type, credited to Bi Sheng in the year 1045 AD, did not significantly impact Chinese society. Three hundred years later in Europe, Gutenberg's development of moveable type revolutionized the Western world. Why? The Chinese language uses 3000 to 5000 characters in an average newspaper. The English language, in comparison, uses 26 characters in an average newspaper. Clearly, manipulating 5000 characters on a printing press took much longer than moving 26. Still, the invention of moveable type furthered Chinese technology and its role in the advancement of human civilization.

Gunpowder

http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inline/fireworks.gif

Imagine their enemy's surprise when the Chinese first demonstrated their newest invention in the eighth century AD. Chinese scientists discovered that an explosive mixture could be produced by combining sulfur, charcoal, and saltpeter (potassium nitrate). The military applications were clear. New weapons were rapidly developed, including rockets and others that were launched from a bamboo tube. Once again, the raw materials at hand, like bamboo, contributed ideas for new technologies.

Compass

http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inline/compass.gif

By the third century AD, Chinese scientists had studied and learned much about magnetism in nature. For example, they knew that iron ore, called magnetite, tended to align itself in a North/South position. Scientists learned to "make magnets" by heating pieces of ore to red hot temperatures and then cooling the pieces in a North/South position. The magnet was then placed on a piece of reed and floated in a bowl of water marked with directional bearings. These first navigational compasses were widely used on Chinese ships by the eleventh century
AD.

Back to China: Ancient Arts and Sciences (http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/china.html)

Or: http://www.inventions.org/culture/ancient/soccer.html

Ancient Inventions

How Soccer Originated


http://www.inventions.org/images/soccer.gif

A medieval picture of Chinese soccer, here a practice session in the garden.

The clear ancestor of soccer was the Chinese game of t'su chu, played by the third century B.C. The ball was made of leather, at first stuffed, then in later times inflated so that it carried farther. The feet and body, but not the hands, were used to propel the ball. In an aristogratic version played in front of the emperor's palace, the opposing teams tried to kick the ball through a tiny hole in a silken net. Even the emperor would occasionally take part. Women also played in a version of the game with eight players called Eight Immortals Crossing the Sea.
This Chinese "sport of kings" was, oddly enough, the sport of peasants in England during the fourteenth century A.D.—mobs number hundreds played; broken limbs were common and deaths not unknown.
The American Indian equivalent to English soccer was lacrosse (or bagataway in Irroquois), which was played in the eastern half of North America. It was described by European observers in the seventeenth century as an ancient sport.
Up to five hundred warriors on each side, often from neighboring villages, took part in this roving battle, with one team painted dark and the other light. The idea was to gather the deerskin ball in a hollowed-out stick (in later times a curved racket with sinew or hemp strings) and run with it toward the goal. Scoring was made even more difficult by the fact that the goalposts were formed by medicine men, who wandered across the field of play as the spirits directed them.
Read about other ancient inventions (http://www.inventions.org/culture/ancient/index.html) that shaped history and paved the way for modern inventions. Visit Asian Inventors & Inventions (http://www.inventions.org/culture/asian/index.html) for informative articles about other asian inventors and their inventions.
Information Sources: Wonders of the Past! Ancient Inventions, Peter James and Nick Thorpe, Ballantine Books, NY, 1994, p. 555.

HAPPY NEW YEAR WITH LOTS OF FIREWORKS TO YOU, LAURY! ;) ...
(I'm so sure you used them to commemorate the 2006 WC!...)

[kingkong]

I tried being on topic on this thread but found it impossible because the spirit of the thread is so charmingly off topic

Soo, emode,

Now you see how "off-topic" matters can be useful to "on-topic" ones? :sad: ...

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/6761/getpic3360f4ft4.jpg
Internacional 2006 WCC

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5471/italyworldcupcopy2ebfb6lj9.jpg
Italy 2006 WC

http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inline/fireworks.gif http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3260/zmf1bx29aabfko1.png
Without that Asian invention, how would they commemorate?...

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1245/2006worldcupgirls061306tl6.jpg
Why not the future champs?...

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF US!...

[kingkong]

what are u saying??????????

I'm the only one with u that keep this thread alive...not emode or someone else

Laury,

You're always "so wrong"!...
(to use one of your favourite expressions)

You forget SE7E, Footbal123, Calif Chivas, Bonez, Vipaman, 621380, Benfica64, PortWine, 8 people just to cite the 2 last pages (21/22)...

Emode is the most recent acquisition: with you and me, a whole football team...

Want me to go on with the other pages? (Codythebest, only123123, Nachi88, just in page 20) etc etc...

P.S.: Anyway I'm flattered you only see "you & me" in this thread! :) ...

[Laury84]

Did your "Pappy" forget to tell you how your 4-time Champ Italy was thrown away from the 1966 World Cup by North Korea, Laury babe? :lol: ...

Besides, since your "Pappy" didn't pass that information to you, don't tell him either that in 2002 South Korea and Turkey (which is half Asian) were respectively 4th and 3rd places...

Where were your 4-time Champs by then? Buying cheap cameras to their "mammas" in Yokohama? :ronaldo: ...

After that (before calling the others "shit") I'd simply start studying Geography with my mouth very well..."SHUT"! :sad: ...
1.Can u tell me all the world cup that the asian teams won?

2.U know how S.Korea won over us and how they end 4th...if u don't know u should do more research

3.Turkey in my opinion is european

4.Do u really think that we should make a thread Europe vs S.America vs Asia?!?!cmon kk...I know that u wanna make a good impression but please...

[Laury84]

Laury,

I like you a lot, but you got to stop saying ignorant things about other people:

http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=inventors&cdn=money&tm=253&gps=95_6_1020_640&f=00&su=p284.21.140.ip_&tt=14&bt=1&bts=0&zu=http%3A//sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inventions.html

Chinese Inventions

Papermaking

http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inline/paper.gif

Chinese legend tells that the new invention of paper was presented to the Emperor in the year 105 AD by Cai Lun. Archeological evidence, however, shows that paper was in use two hundred years before then. Either way, the Chinese were significantly ahead of the rest of the world. The craft of papermaking relied upon an abundance of bamboo fiber to produce a fine quality paper. In China: Ancient Arts and Sciences, the papermaker uses only the traditional materials and methods to produce fine art paper.

Printing

http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inline/print.gif

The Chinese invention of moveable type, credited to Bi Sheng in the year 1045 AD, did not significantly impact Chinese society. Three hundred years later in Europe, Gutenberg's development of moveable type revolutionized the Western world. Why? The Chinese language uses 3000 to 5000 characters in an average newspaper. The English language, in comparison, uses 26 characters in an average newspaper. Clearly, manipulating 5000 characters on a printing press took much longer than moving 26. Still, the invention of moveable type furthered Chinese technology and its role in the advancement of human civilization.

Gunpowder

http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inline/fireworks.gif

Imagine their enemy's surprise when the Chinese first demonstrated their newest invention in the eighth century AD. Chinese scientists discovered that an explosive mixture could be produced by combining sulfur, charcoal, and saltpeter (potassium nitrate). The military applications were clear. New weapons were rapidly developed, including rockets and others that were launched from a bamboo tube. Once again, the raw materials at hand, like bamboo, contributed ideas for new technologies.

Compass

http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/inline/compass.gif

By the third century AD, Chinese scientists had studied and learned much about magnetism in nature. For example, they knew that iron ore, called magnetite, tended to align itself in a North/South position. Scientists learned to "make magnets" by heating pieces of ore to red hot temperatures and then cooling the pieces in a North/South position. The magnet was then placed on a piece of reed and floated in a bowl of water marked with directional bearings. These first navigational compasses were widely used on Chinese ships by the eleventh century
AD.

Back to China: Ancient Arts and Sciences (http://sln.fi.edu/tfi/info/current/china.html)

Or: http://www.inventions.org/culture/ancient/soccer.html

Ancient Inventions

How Soccer Originated


http://www.inventions.org/images/soccer.gif

A medieval picture of Chinese soccer, here a practice session in the garden.

The clear ancestor of soccer was the Chinese game of t'su chu, played by the third century B.C. The ball was made of leather, at first stuffed, then in later times inflated so that it carried farther. The feet and body, but not the hands, were used to propel the ball. In an aristogratic version played in front of the emperor's palace, the opposing teams tried to kick the ball through a tiny hole in a silken net. Even the emperor would occasionally take part. Women also played in a version of the game with eight players called Eight Immortals Crossing the Sea.
This Chinese "sport of kings" was, oddly enough, the sport of peasants in England during the fourteenth century A.D.—mobs number hundreds played; broken limbs were common and deaths not unknown.
The American Indian equivalent to English soccer was lacrosse (or bagataway in Irroquois), which was played in the eastern half of North America. It was described by European observers in the seventeenth century as an ancient sport.
Up to five hundred warriors on each side, often from neighboring villages, took part in this roving battle, with one team painted dark and the other light. The idea was to gather the deerskin ball in a hollowed-out stick (in later times a curved racket with sinew or hemp strings) and run with it toward the goal. Scoring was made even more difficult by the fact that the goalposts were formed by medicine men, who wandered across the field of play as the spirits directed them.
Read about other ancient inventions (http://www.inventions.org/culture/ancient/index.html) that shaped history and paved the way for modern inventions. Visit Asian Inventors & Inventions (http://www.inventions.org/culture/asian/index.html) for informative articles about other asian inventors and their inventions.
Information Sources: Wonders of the Past! Ancient Inventions, Peter James and Nick Thorpe, Ballantine Books, NY, 1994, p. 555.

HAPPY NEW YEAR WITH LOTS OF FIREWORKS TO YOU, LAURY! ;) ...
(I'm so sure you used them to commemorate the 2006 WC!...)
do u know the meaning of joke honey?!?!coz I wrote :lol:...did u see it????

I know where is Asia...don't worry...and I was talking ONLY about football!!ONLY!!!

but I know that u love to go offtopic and u love to put words in my mouth that I hav never said

[Laury84]

Laury,

You're always "so wrong"!...
(to use one of your favourite expressions)

You forget SE7E, Footbal123, Calif Chivas, Bonez, Vipaman, 621380, Benfica64, PortWine, 8 people just to cite the 2 last pages (21/22)...

Emode is the most recent acquisition: with you and me, a whole football team...

Want me to go on with the other pages? (Codythebest, only123123, Nachi88, just in page 20) etc etc...

P.S.: Anyway I'm flattered you only see "you & me" in this thread! :) ...
btw I see that u people of this thread didn't understand nothing of what I say...I'm staring to think about that...maybe I'll find another thread to keep alive :sad:

[Laury84]

when I wrote

"Asia didn't invent anything"

I was replying to emode post "china invented football" or stuff...how can u guys don't see the whole discussion but only the single post?

And I should be the one that doesn't understand jokes????cmon...I didn't insult NOBODY!!And don't try to say that...

[Panathinaikos2]

3.Turkey in my opinion is europeanGeographicly only a small part of Turkey is European but the Turks of Turkey are not European.

[Laury84]

Geographicly only a small part of Turkey is European but the Turks of Turkey are not European.
yeah ur right...But I hav always considered turkey european...so I just think that it's european...I want them in the EU...

[kingkong]

1.Can u tell me all the world cup that the asian teams won?

2.U know how S.Korea won over us and how they end 4th...if u don't know u should do more research

3.Turkey in my opinion is european

4.Do u really think that we should make a thread Europe vs S.America vs Asia?!?!cmon kk...I know that u wanna make a good impression but please...

1. It's no criterion: Puskas' Hungary & Crujff's Holland never won any WC either: it's not because of that they are any "shit"...As a matter of fact they are footballistically way ahead of your 4 X World Champion Italy...

2. Korea humbled you sound in a WC. PERIOD (never happened to Brazil, I'll assure you that!).

3. Turkey is ALSO Asian (..."in my opinion" is European :lol:).

Turkey (Turkish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language): Türkiye), officially the Republic of Turkey (Türkiye Cumhuriyeti (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Asd.ogg) (help (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_help)·info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Asd.ogg))), is a Eurasian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia) country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country) that stretches across the Anatolian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia) peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsula) in Southwestern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Asia) Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia) and the Balkan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan) region of Southeastern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Europe) Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe). Turkey borders eight countries: Bulgaria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria) to the northwest; Greece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece) to the west; Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28country%29) to the northeast; Armenia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia), Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran) and the Nakhichevan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakhichevan) exclave of Azerbaijan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan) to the east; and Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq) and Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria) to the southeast. In addition, it borders the Black Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea) to the north; the Aegean Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegean_Sea) to the west and the Mediterranean Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea) to the south. Turkey also contains the Sea of Marmara (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Marmara) that is used by geographers to mark the border between Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe) and Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia), thus making the country transcontinental (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcontinental_country).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey#_note-0)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey


Eurasian, babe, E-u-r-a-s-i-a-n, got it? (U should "do more research", bella!)...

4. Why not? Football belongs to the world. Until Uruguay won its 1st Olympic Medal in the late 20's you'd never admit to participate of an "Europe x S. America" thread...

Here we are though! :sad: ...

[Panathinaikos2]

yeah ur right...But I hav always considered turkey european...so I just think that it's european...I am sorry but you considering that Turkey is European does not cut it.

[Laury84]

KINGKONG:

don't treat me like a stupid girl honey coz I'm not...

1.are u saying that Japan or Iraq are like holland????:faint2: wow...u don't understand so much about football

2.if u're happy

3.cmon I know that is half and half I'm not stupid!!!!why u didn't get me?NEVER!!!I "CONSIDER" TURKEY A EUROPEAN COUNTRY!If u hav problems with that I don't care.

4.all right so start this new thread with emode and enjoy ur self

[benfica64]

1. It's no criterion: Puskas' Hungary & Crujff's Holland never won any WC either: it's not because of that they are any "shit"...As a matter of fact they are footballistically way ahead of your 4 X World Champion Italy...

2. Korea beat you sound in a WC. PERIOD.

3. Turkey is ALSO Asian (..."to me" is European :lol:).


Eurasian, babe, E-u-r-a-s-i-a-n, got it?...

4. Why not? Football belongs to the world. Until Uruguay won its 1st Olympic Medal in the late 20's you'd never admit to participate of an "Europe x S. America" thread...

Here we are though! :sad: ...

excuse me for a minute Bro like to direct this to Laury. Laury as an Italian you off all people shouldnt make such claims about Skorea going as far as they did in the WC???? I mean come on Laury should I even begin with the funny Bizz that was Italys early cup wins?? And the smell that stunk to high Heaven just recently the PK given to Italy against Australia?? I mean I could go on for quite Awhile picking out all to mysterious victories by the Italians.

[Panathinaikos2]

1. It's no criterion: Puskas' Hungary & Crujff's Holland never won any WC either: it's not because of that they are any "shit"...As a matter of fact they are footballistically way ahead of your 4 X World Champion Italy...How is that?

[Laury84]

I am sorry but you considering that Turkey is European does not cut it.
I know that but why every member of this forum care so much if I consider turkey a european or asian country?!?!?!?!

I KNOW THAT IS HALF AND HALF!!!!ARE U ALL HAPPY NOW????

[Laury84]

excuse me for a minute Bro like to direct this to Laury. Laury as an Italian you off all people shouldnt make such claims about Skorea going as far as they did in the WC???? I mean come on Laury should I even begin with the funny Bizz that was Italys early cup wins??? and everything from then to now.
say whatever u wanna say I don't care...I'm tired of hearing every time the same things...it's my country...stop it please!

[Panathinaikos2]

I KNOW THAT IS HALF AND HALF!!!!ARE U ALL HAPPY NOW????Not even half and half but lets stop this argument as it has nothing to do with this thread.

[Laury84]

Not even half and half but lets stop this argument as it has nothing to do with this thread.
all right...stop it.coz I know that everything that I'll say will be wrong

[Panathinaikos2]

all right...stop it.coz I know that everything that I'll say will be wrongNo I don't believe that :)

[benfica64]

say whatever u wanna say I don't care...I'm tired of hearing every time the same things...it's my country...stop it please!


your the one claiming South Korea only got as far as they did in the WC by cheating in so many words, right!!! but you dont want to look at your nations scandals!! and obvious cheats over the years in the game of football. Yes perhaps South Korea got outside help, but God only Knows Italy has and continues too.

[Laury84]

No I don't believe that :)
I think that ur the only one here....:sad:

btw thanks...but I'm starting to believe that

[Laury84]

your the one claiming South Korea only got as far as they did in the WC by cheating in so many words, right!!! but you dont want to look at your nations scandals!! and obvious cheats over the years in the game of football. Yes perhaps South Korea got outside help, but God only Knows Italy has and continues too.
yeah u're right...we hav bought every single match in all our history...and we all know that...and we are really happy...

now please change post coz u see that I agree with u so speak about something else...thanks

[kingkong]

KINGKONG:

don't treat me like a stupid girl honey coz I'm not...

1.are u saying that Japan or Iraq are like holland????:faint2: wow...u don't understand so much about football

2.if u're happy

3.cmon I know that is half and half I'm not stupid!!!!why u didn't get me?NEVER!!!I "CONSIDER" TURKEY A EUROPEAN COUNTRY!If u hav problems with that I don't care.

4.all right so start this new thread with emode and enjoy ur self

1. Don't try to disconverse: you said Asia was "shit", and, even if it were in an exclusively football context, that was in the minimum diselegant to the Asians in this Forum and Asians in general...

Besides I didn't say "that Japan or Iraq are like Holland": what I said was that being World Champion was not a criterion (& I was not talking of "Japan or Iraq", I was talking of Korea and Turkey)!...

PS: Never said I understand that much about football: you were the one who treated me first as a stupid guy, telling me "to do more research" :redeyes: ...

2. Korea 1 x 0 Italy 1966 WC? When I remember, I giggle a lot :ronaldo: ...

3. Naughty girl! And I "consider" Italy more South American than European, because you have so many WC titles and you play football so well...

4. You're my one & only :) ...

[Laury84]

1. Don't try to disconverse: you said Asia was "shit", and, even if it were in an exclusively football context, that was in the minimum diselegant to the Asians in this Forum and Asians in general...

Besides I didn't say "that Japan or Iraq are like Holland": what I said was that being World Champion was not a criterion (& I was not talking of "Japan or Iraq", I was talking of Korea and Turkey)!...

PS: Never said I understand that much about football: you were the one who treated me first as a stupid guy, telling me "to do more research" :redeyes: ...

2. Korea 1 x 0 Italy 1966 WC? When I remember, I giggle a lot :ronaldo: ...

3. Naughty girl!...

4. You're my one & only :) ...
cmon kk I was talking about football!!I don't think that Asia is shit in general!!cmon...u shouldn't say these kind of things...I thought that u knew me a little bit...I'll never say these kind of things! NEVER!

[kingkong]

cmon kk I was talking about football!!I don't think that Asia is shit in general!!cmon...u shouldn't say these kind of things...I thought that u knew me a little bit...I'll never say these kind of things! NEVER!

Love you so much! :) ...

[Laury84]

Love you so much! :) ...
na moral! thanks! :D

[kingkong]

na moral! thanks! :D

Yeah, na moral babe!...

However - and I know it's got to do with your Latin temperament, that I also have - we sometimes should measure more our words (which, I know, come without bad intentions, but they do "come", and are "hard" and "concrete")...
:brick:
But let's forget it, life is beautiful...

Vo-la-re...

[Laury84]

Yeah, na moral babe!...

However - and I know it's got to do with your Latin temperament, that I also have - we sometimes should measure more our words (which, I know, come without bad intentions, but they do "come", and are "hard" and "concrete")...
:brick:
But let's forget it, life is beautiful...

Vo-la-re...
yeah I agree with u...and english is not my 1st language (not even the 2nd :D) so I speak with the few words that I know...so...2+2=4....:sad:

btw yeah life is beautiful! :D

ooooooohhhhooooohhh

[Laury84]

wow kingkong it's really strange...u don't hav new arguments?omg...what's happened?where are u?

I should say that I win?all right! :D

[kingkong]

wow kingkong it's really strange...u don't hav new arguments?omg...what's happened?where are u?

I should say that I win?all right! :D

Can-ta-re...

[Vipaman]

Get a room kids :D

And why does this have to be between Europe and South America only, how about the rest of us :mad2:

ha!!!

[BRISTOLUK]

btw yeah life is beautiful! :D

Yes...it is a great Movie. Roberto Benigni is a genius. :)

[Laury84]

Yes...it is a great Movie. Roberto Benigni is a genius. :)
yeah I totally agree with u...he's a genius and that movie is my fav movie ever...:)..good choice!

[Laury84]

Can-ta-re...
:lol: I WON!!!!EUROPE IS BETTER!!!!

[Laury84]

Get a room kids :D

And why does this have to be between Europe and South America only, how about the rest of us :mad2:

ha!!!
coz "the rest of u" is not so good in football..I'm sorry...but that's the reality...:sad:

[kingkong]

Get a room kids :D

And why does this have to be between Europe and South America only, how about the rest of us :mad2:

ha!!!

THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT I'VE EVER BEEN SAYING, MATE!...

The WCCs (and the WCs) are the way out (or the way in) for ALL the continents...

The more we open the range of WCs and WCCs the more world representative those tournaments will be!...

And the more the already battered European monopoly of football will shrink!...

As far as SA the opening of new football fronteers is oxygen: there will appear new football markets, and the Euros will be able to divide their "passion" for us with other centers...

That desestabilizes them, however...

EUROPEANS WANT TO "CHOKE" THE WCC (TOO LATE THOUGH) BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT SOONER OR LATER THE "REST OF THE WORLD" WILL CHOKE THEM (SA IS ALREADY DOING IT - BETTER: HAS ALREADY DONE IT!)...

All that will rest to them is Ronaldo's "cockroach death" dance! :evil: ...

VIVA INTER!...

[dannymex]

coz "the rest of u" is not so good in football..I'm sorry...but that's the reality...:sad:


why so harsh laury? haha we wish to be included as well

[Laury84]

why so harsh laury? haha we wish to be included as well
with u what do u mean "mexico" or the "usa"???
if mexico I agree with u
if USA omg please don't tell that!!!

[Laury84]

THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT I'VE EVER BEEN SAYING, MATE!...

The WCCs (and the WCs) are the way out (or the way in) for ALL the continents...

The more we open the range of WCs and WCCs the more world representative those tournaments will be!...

And the more the already battered European monopoly of football will shrink!...

EUROPEANS WANT TO "CHOKE" THE WCC (TOO LATE THOUGH) BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT SOONER OR LATER THE "REST OF THE WORLD" WILL CHOKE THEM (SA IS ALREADY DOING IT - BETTER: HAS ALREADY DONE IT!)...

All that rests to them is Ronaldo's "cockroach death" dance! :evil: ...
yeah I'm sure that one day a team from Malaysia called uhvslhfjhfls will beat Inter or Barca or ManUtd....yeah I'm scared of asian teams...really...:sad:

[dannymex]

with u what do u mean "mexico" or the "usa"???
if mexico I agree with u
if USA omg please don't tell that!!!


no i was referring to mexico. US...ewww please no! I cant stand the US national team. I cant even stand the MLS.

[Laury84]

no i was referring to mexico. US...ewww please no! I cant stand the US national team. I cant even stand the MLS.
ah...all right...well I thought the Mexico was already in this thread...if no...well..it will be in!

I'm sorry but what is the MLS??????

[dannymex]

ah...all right...well I thought the Mexico was already in this thread...if no...well..it will be in!

I'm sorry but what is the MLS??????


:lol:

its horrible you dont want to know.

actually it is the US soccer league

[kingkong]

yeah I'm sure that one day a team from Malaysia called uhvslhfjhfls will beat Inter or Barca or ManUtd....yeah I'm scared of asian teams...really...:sad:
And why not?...

Till 15 days ago many people in this Forum (including you) thought - with that already proverbial European lack of knowledge about football - that Internacional de Porto Alegre was an "uhvslhfjhfls" team too...

But that "uhvslhfjhfls" team simply humbled your Barça (& by extension your Inter and MU) & simply is now The Best Football Club of The World!...

If you were not scared of Asian teams, you wouldn't want to choke the WCCs, as you've desperately been trying to! :ronaldo: ...

You'd simply play them, without lame excuses to very possible defeats!...

Korea 1 x 0 Italy (UK, 1966) :lol: :lol: :lol:

[kingkong]

Thinking, Laury? :lol: ...

[Laury84]

:lol:

its horrible you dont want to know.

actually it is the US soccer league
all right...that's the reason why I don't know what the hell it is...:lol: :p

[Laury84]

And why not?...

Till 15 days ago many people in this Forum (including you) thought - with that already proverbial European lack of knowledge about football - that Internacional de Porto Alegre was an "uhvslhfjhfls" team too...

But that "uhvslhfjhfls" team simply humbled your Barça (& by extension your Inter and MU) & simply is now The Best Football Club of The World!...

If you were not scared of Asian teams, you wouldn't want to choke the WCCs, as you've desperately been trying to! :ronaldo: ...

You'd simply play them, without lame excuses to very possible defeats!...

Korea 1 x 0 Italy (UK, 1966) :lol: :lol: :lol:
cmon kk what the hell are u saying?!?!?!

don't say things about me that are absolutely wrong.

1.I never said that ur Inter was sdjfhsfhglsf

2.do u wanna hear that?all right inter is the best football club in the world (u should notice that I didn't write which inter!)

3.Barca during the last CL didn't beat my team so u cannot say that it's better than Inter

4.cmon u think that asian teams are not so good too...dont say no!

[Vipaman]

your the one claiming South Korea only got as far as they did in the WC by cheating in so many words, right!!! but you dont want to look at your nations scandals!! and obvious cheats over the years in the game of football. Yes perhaps South Korea got outside help, but God only Knows Italy has and continues too.

I remember reading some scandals happening in Brazil and Portugal too. In fact, I remember that Fifa threatened Portugal to clean up it's match fixing or face elimination from the World Cup in 2006. It was covered in an SBS program here in Australia just around November 2005 sometime.

Just thought I'd mention it since you seem hell bent on mentioning it all the time. BTW, I am Australian and even I wouldn't say that Italy cheated in our game. We simply could not finish them when we had the advantage and anyone that understands football knows how dumb of a tackle that Neill made. He left himself wide open and should have never done it, of course he's deflected criticism by constantly saying that it was a dive. What else do you expect him to do? I still like him, and am happy that my country did as well as they did.

[kingkong]

I remember reading some scandals happening in Brazil and Portugal too. In fact, I remember that Fifa threatened Portugal to clean up it's match fixing or face elimination from the World Cup in 2006. It was covered in an SBS program here in Australia just around November 2005 sometime.

Just thought I'd mention it since you seem hell bent on mentioning it all the time. BTW, I am Australian and even I wouldn't say that Italy cheated in our game. We simply could not finish them when we had the advantage and anyone that understands football knows how dumb of a tackle that Neill made. He left himself wide open and should have never done it, of course he's deflected criticism by constantly saying that it was a dive. What else do you expect him to do? I still like him, and am happy that my country did as well as they did.

Yeah perhaps he should coil and let the guy pass, as a good gentleman: the house is yours, Mr Pizza! :lol: ...

[kingkong]

Besides there was nothing wrong in that England 66 WC game: Korea beat Italy sound 1 x 0!...

[Vipaman]

THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT I'VE EVER BEEN SAYING, MATE!...

The WCCs (and the WCs) are the way out (or the way in) for ALL the continents...

The more we open the range of WCs and WCCs the more world representative those tournaments will be!...

And the more the already battered European monopoly of football will shrink!...

As far as SA the opening of new football fronteers is oxygen: there will appear new football markets, and the Euros will be able to divide their "passion" for us with other centers...

That desestabilizes them, however...

EUROPEANS WANT TO "CHOKE" THE WCC (TOO LATE THOUGH) BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT SOONER OR LATER THE "REST OF THE WORLD" WILL CHOKE THEM (SA IS ALREADY DOING IT - BETTER: HAS ALREADY DONE IT!)...

All that will rest to them is Ronaldo's "cockroach death" dance! :evil: ...

VIVA INTER!...

I don't really get it though. You can blame me for being way out of touch being down under and all, haha, but how is this European monopoly real in any way? Sure they have money, but how can they really monopolize soccer? Even here in Australia we have our own soccer leagues, and I think you do too in South America, am I right ;) heh! Ok, you do, it was a bad joke. So where is the European monopoly?

Why are you so obsessed with bashing Europe BTW? We just don't think about it much here in sunburned land. I guess we're far enough removed that we can pretend to do our own thing :lol:

[Vipaman]

Yeah perhaps he should coil and let the guy pass, as a good gentleman: the house is yours, Mr Pizza! :lol: ...

Neill? No, of course he shouldn't have done that, bad joke King Kong :p But he didn't do himself any favors by giving up such a bad foul. I was pissed off in the beginning and it was easy to go into excuse mode and point the finger. Heck, there was 4 pages of news stories dedicated to that, but each one failed to mention that we already had a full half of extra man and could only get one shot on net. So we really don't have anyone else but ourselves to add to the blame, if blame needs to be given that is! Neill did what he needed to do I suppose. It's our lack of international experience and technical grace. But, at least we beat England all the time :D

http://specials.rediff.com/cricket/2005/sep/12lead-ashes1.jpg


Funny that there was a recent poll in Australian newspapers and the general public believes that the Ashes is our most coveted prize next to, you guessed it, the World Cup of Soccer.

Soccer is a universal game King Kong. Neither Europe or South America monopolize it. Just ask Uruguay. We beat a South American Giant soundly too :D

[kingkong]

I don't really get it though. You can blame me for being way out of touch being down under and all, haha, but how is this European monopoly real in any way? Sure they have money, but how can they really monopolize soccer? Even here in Australia we have our own soccer leagues, and I think you do too in South America, am I right ;) heh! Ok, you do, it was a bad joke. So where is the European monopoly?

Why are you so obsessed with bashing Europe BTW? We just don't think about it much here in sunburned land. I guess we're far enough removed that we can pretend to do our own thing :lol:

Europeans WANT to monopolyze football: didn't say they do monopolyze it...

That's their pretension...

Besides, I don't bash European football: I just respond with facts to the arrogance of some of its supporters...

I know facts can hurt, but's not the fact's fault: then, they say I'm the arrogant one, just because make them face a sometimes not so colourful reality...

[Vipaman]

I don't really get it though. You can blame me for being way out of touch being down under and all, haha, but how is this European monopoly real in any way? Sure they have money, but how can they really monopolize soccer? Even here in Australia we have our own soccer leagues, and I think you do too in South America, am I right ;) heh! Ok, you do, it was a bad joke. So where is the European monopoly?

Why are you so obsessed with bashing Europe BTW? We just don't think about it much here in sunburned land. I guess we're far enough removed that we can pretend to do our own thing :lol:


Europeans WANT to monopolyze football: didn't say they do monopolyze it...

Yes you did. You said

And the more the already battered European monopoly of football will shrink!...

already battered monopoly is saying they monopolize it.



That's their pretension...

Besides, I don't bash European football: I just respond with facts to the arrogance of some of its supporters...

Well when I read you, it certainly comes across as you bashing them and very arrogantly too. I hope that doesn't get me a warning, but that's how you come across.


I know facts can hurt, but's not the fact's fault: then, they say I'm the arrogant one, just because make them face a sometimes not so colourful reality...

I don't personally much care about it, but you are obviously obsessed about it, and I don't get it.

[kingkong]

You just showed Aussies are true gentlemen!...

Neil didn't commit any foul, the guy tripped on him.

In basketball this is very well defined: if you are already in your position before the opponent moves towards you, you have the preference.

Neil was already in a passive position before the Italian guy started moving towards him (he was on the ground, dam).

He did nothing, just stayed there and he was in his right.

In that situation, a foul in order to be characterized as such would demand an active posture on Neill's part.

He should have been the one who charged (or made some move) towards his opponent, and not the opposite.

What I think is missing here was not necessarilly Neil's lack of international experience, but rather your own lack of experience in observing football - &, more specifically, that play...

But saying the adversary was right (even not being) sounds very elegant indeed...

Not only playing football requires tradition; annalyzing it too ;) ...

[kingkong]

Didn't read correctly, Vipa: gotta see what's written "in between lines"...

"Already battered monopoly" is not monopoly...

You chose to "ignore" the obvious ironic connotation I gave to the term...

How could I have said they have a real "monopoly", if in the last 50 years SAs dominated the game?...

"Monopoly" they have of good stadiums, of money to give to TVs (through sponsors or not) in order to transmit their games worldwide, of marketing tricks - not of football though (that game played within the 4 lines, you know)...

Arrogant because I point out the facts? Give me an example in this Forum about me gratuitously "bashing" them (you won't: because there isn't)...

It sounds like that to you because - you wish it or not - you have an European upbringing that makes you as sensitive as them to criticism coming from "outsiders"...

That's where (disguised in false modesty) resides YOUR arrogance: defending Laury's & other members' obviously arrogant attitudes just denounces that upbringing :sad: ...

[Vipaman]

You just showed Aussies are true gentlemen!...

Woa, hold on a second. I'm one of the few that can admit it wasn't a dive. The majority still think it was and that if it didn't happen we would have won and won the world cup too. That's just a tad out of touch with reality. I'm also not one to be won over that easily with flattery KingKong, save that for Laury :p hehe


Neil didn't commit any foul, the guy tripped on him.

Neill is responsible for his actions like all the players are. He fell to ground trying to block the player because he really didn't have any other choice. Who considers that sort of thing good defending anyway? I don't. I see other top defenders in the world doing that sort of thing in similar situations.


In basketball this is very well defined: if you are already in your position before the opponent moves towards you, you have the preference.

Neil was already in a passive position before the Italian guy started moving towards him (he was on the ground, man).

Not really. Neill was still moving into him as he slid on the ground. Like I said, it was a bad tackle on Neill's part.


He did nothing, just stayed there and he was in his right.

In that situation, a foul in order to be characterized as such would demand an active posture on Neill's part.

Sliding into the player is active though, and if you watch closely Neill's arm hits the Italian. The Italian was going down and just made it look good, but then so did a good many other players in that cup. C. Ronaldo, Henry, Adriano, J. Cole, and even our own Aloisi.


He should have been the one who charged towards his opponent, and not the opposite.

But King Kong, even I can admit that he did, why can't you?


What I think is missing here was not necessarylly Neil's lack of international experience, rather your own lack of experience in observing that play)...

Not only playing football requires tradition; annalyzing it too ;) ...

Look, I know what happened, and it was just as hard for me to admit as it will be for you. But I can admit it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2PgG8j0gyQ

Neill goes down as the Italian is about to go around him like he earlier did to Bresciano, but the slide takes Neill into the Italian and his arms clip him. The Italian is going down, so he makes the most out of it. If you've been watching soccer long, this shouldn't be news to you :p

And why are we talking about this in this thread. I thought it was supposed to be about how much better S. America is than Europe? Even though Europe monopolizes the game?

Europe vs:croc: S. America :lol:

[Vipaman]

You're a funny guy, you know that.


http://www.nonstopbargains.com/funny%20guy.jpg


"Already battered monopoly" isn't monopoly...

lol...

And the more the already battered European monopoly of football will shrink!...

uhm saying already battered just means that you believe it is or has been reduced, but it speaks precisely that you are staying there is a monopoly. Come on, why play these games?


Besides you're preferring to ignore the ironic connotation I'm giving to the term...

How could I say they have a real "monopoly", if in the last 50 year SAs dominated them?...

There's the arrogance coming out again :p But you're right, you contradicted yourself with that one.


"Monopoly" they have of good stadiums, of lots of money to give to TVs (through sponsors or not) in order to transmit their games worldwide, of marketing tricks - not of football though (that game played within the 4 lines, you know)...

Oh I see, you meant to say that European clubs are rich. Well DUH. We all know that, even us dumb folk down under :lol: Except you actually did make the mistake of saying football though. Come on Kingkong, I know you can admit it. :p

See, you say football
And the more the already battered European monopoly of football will shrink!...

not monopoly of money, stadiums, and contracts.


Arrogant because I say the truth? Give me a factual example in this Forum about me being gratuitously "bashing" them (you won't: because it doen't exist)...

What truth? All I see as an outsider is arrogance in stating such things as dominance and that they play bad and the like. Maybe you don't see it, but it's certainly coming across that way.


It sounds like that to you because - you wish it or not - you have an European upbringing that makes you as sensitive as them to criticism coming from "outsiders" :sad: ...

Well if being a 4th generation Aussie means that somewhere along the line one of me Grand pappy's was shipped out of the UK and dropped off somewhere on Botany Bay means I have European upbringing, then fine. Other than that, you're grasping at straws.

Look, I don't want to cause any tensions. I'm just giving you some feedback. Ignore it if you wish, it's no sweat off my back, but I found that sometimes being a bit humble is worth it. It saves you a lot of energy constantly fighting invisible enemies :p

[Vipaman]

By the way Kingkong, Australia plays most closely resembling an English game. Lots of grit and heart and heaps of running and stamina, so I guess if you want to argue that I'm Europeanized then that's the best you got. In that case though, does this S. American dominance also include us? If so, say hi to Uruguay for us :lol: They are South American right? :hat:

Relax Kingkong, I'm just taking the piss on ya. That means we like ya in Australian lingo.

[kingkong]

Soon, we'll be hearing Laury cry: Oh Popeye, don't do that to Brutus, he just wants to please meee! :lol: ...

[kingkong]

Besides you're preferring to ignore the ironic connotation I'm giving to the term...

How could I say they have a real "monopoly", if in the last 50 year SAs dominated them?...

There's the arrogance coming out again :p But you're right, you contradicted yourself with that one.


The ironic connotation! Once again you "forgot" it!...

Read "in between the lines", Vipa! It's useful and informs a lot...

You must be one of those who believe that we did come from Adam and Eve: it's written in the Bible!...

If you wanna conquer Olivia, go ahead: but you don't have to "betray" your people for that, Vip (in Laury's case you do, though)!...

What a 'skirt' doesn't do to a guy: to demand of his own man to "play statue'" in a football game!...

GOTTA WATCH "IN BETWEEN THE LINES" TOO, VIPA (LET'S US ALL WATCH THAT VIDEO TOGETHER): WILL YOU PLEASE TELL US ALL WHERE YOU'D WANT NEIL TO PLACE HIS HAND? IN HIS POCKET?...

HE "TACKLED"? WHERE? WHEN? HE WAS DRIBBLED, MAN, AND FELL BECAUSE OF THE DRIBBLE (THERE WAS NO TACKLE AT ALL, HAVING VISIONS, MATE)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2PgG8j0gyQ

As far as Uruguay, they are in good company: if Italy can lose to Korea, why can't Uruguay lose to Australia?...

Always trying to "get" me, isn't it, Vipa? Why all the "obsession"? :lol: ...

(puff, puff!)

[Vipaman]

Boy, we sure are getting off topic now arent we :lol:

The ironic connotation! Once again you "forgot" it!...


There is no ironic connotation really. You said they had a monopoly but are pulling one of your famous back peddling acts :p

http://www.cincypost.com/opinion/images/jeff120700.gif


:lol: you win GOLD!



http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1152040/2/istockphoto_1152040_gold_medal.jpg

Come on Kingkong, admit it, you'll feel better about it. This is one building you can't climb.

http://www.samizdat.com.ar/samizdat20/king%20kong%201933.jpg


Read "in between the lines", Vipa! It's useful and informs a lot...

This is just a fancy way of saying "wait, I reallly meant something else and you should have known it!" :lol:



As far as Uruguay, they are in good company: if Italy can lose to Korea, why can't Uruguay lose to Australia? :lol: ...

How about Argentina and Brazil? Are they in this prestigious company :lol:

Didn't Argentina lose recently to England, and we beat England, so we are in good company :lol:

But most important if Australia plays a good ol English game and beats Uruguay, does that mean there is a hole in your theory that S.American dominates Europe, by extension that is?

:hat:

[Vipaman]

Always trying to "get" me, isn't it, Vipa? Why all the "obsession"? :lol: ...

(puff, puff!)

Did you miss where I said you were a funny man. ;) Come on, I'm just trying to get into all the fun, taking a bit of a piss on your Euro obsession. Surely it won't harm you. :p

[kingkong]

Vipa boy,

Keep trying to hide the main questions with "your" big pictures!...:
(don't have my know-how yet! :p)

QUESTION 1: Where would you want Neil placing that hand of his (had asked you: IN HIS POCKET?);

QUESTION 2: When and where was that "tackle" that only you saw?...

QUESTION 3: And, last but not least, do you believe or not in Adam and Eve?...

You don't look that "innocent"...But it's Christmas time & people read a lot the Bible...

You are a 3rd Millennium Australian still behaving like an member of the old Commonwealth: i.e., stubbornly denying the rest of the world (& even your own country!) :sad: ...

Join the majority, man...Don't be like them!...

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5962/ostrichheadinsandd5166afz0.jpg

That "wealth" has been "severely battered" in the XXth century, and, as a matter of fact, became quite "common" :ronaldo: ...

Forget a bit your useless "monopoly cardboard game" argument...

(one day you'll be an Uruguay, and will win 2 WCs and 2 Olympic Golds, OK? Promise!)

Then you'll be able to say: I beat KK!...

(and Brazil will be happy because their bros beat him)...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9661/dsc03289105a061od6.jpg

Puff, puff (putting spinach in my pipe, watch out!) :lol: ...

[kingkong]

How about Argentina and Brazil? Are they in this prestigious company :lol:

Didn't Argentina lose recently to England, and we beat England, so we are in good company :lol:

But most important if Australia plays a good ol English game and beats Uruguay, does that mean there is a hole in your theory that S.American dominates Europe, by extension that is?

?????????????????????????...
Scrambled eggs for breakfast?...
(forgot we beat you?)

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/1728/istockphoto603672scrambcg4.png

[Laury84]

I remember reading some scandals happening in Brazil and Portugal too. In fact, I remember that Fifa threatened Portugal to clean up it's match fixing or face elimination from the World Cup in 2006. It was covered in an SBS program here in Australia just around November 2005 sometime.

Just thought I'd mention it since you seem hell bent on mentioning it all the time. BTW, I am Australian and even I wouldn't say that Italy cheated in our game. We simply could not finish them when we had the advantage and anyone that understands football knows how dumb of a tackle that Neill made. He left himself wide open and should have never done it, of course he's deflected criticism by constantly saying that it was a dive. What else do you expect him to do? I still like him, and am happy that my country did as well as they did.
all right u know that I'm the 1st person that says that this wasn't a penalty at all...but I also know why the ref gave us that penalty...we played in ten all the second half 4....what???cmon don't say (even if u hate Marco coz everybody hates him) that Materazzi did a red-card fault...he didn't touch Mark...he made fault on Zambrotta!

look this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AmPy5GtX5Q

yeah is a fault...but cmon...a red card??????

[Laury84]

Europeans WANT to monopolyze football: didn't say they do monopolyze it...

That's their pretension...

Besides, I don't bash European football: I just respond with facts to the arrogance of some of its supporters...

I know facts can hurt, but's not the fact's fault: then, they say I'm the arrogant one, just because make them face a sometimes not so colourful reality...
arrogance kk???u're talking about me????

[Laury84]

Woa, hold on a second. I'm one of the few that can admit it wasn't a dive. The majority still think it was and that if it didn't happen we would have won and won the world cup too. That's just a tad out of touch with reality. I'm also not one to be won over that easily with flattery KingKong, save that for Laury :p hehe



Neill is responsible for his actions like all the players are. He fell to ground trying to block the player because he really didn't have any other choice. Who considers that sort of thing good defending anyway? I don't. I see other top defenders in the world doing that sort of thing in similar situations.



Not really. Neill was still moving into him as he slid on the ground. Like I said, it was a bad tackle on Neill's part.



Sliding into the player is active though, and if you watch closely Neill's arm hits the Italian. The Italian was going down and just made it look good, but then so did a good many other players in that cup. C. Ronaldo, Henry, Adriano, J. Cole, and even our own Aloisi.



But King Kong, even I can admit that he did, why can't you?



Look, I know what happened, and it was just as hard for me to admit as it will be for you. But I can admit it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2PgG8j0gyQ

Neill goes down as the Italian is about to go around him like he earlier did to Bresciano, but the slide takes Neill into the Italian and his arms clip him. The Italian is going down, so he makes the most out of it. If you've been watching soccer long, this shouldn't be news to you :p

And why are we talking about this in this thread. I thought it was supposed to be about how much better S. America is than Europe? Even though Europe monopolizes the game?

Europe vs:croc: S. America :lol:
well I'm happy to see an australian guy thinks that we didn't buy that game..
and u're right one of the most important thing is football is experience...and Australians has got not experience at all...the only one who has got it is Mark and we all saw how good he was in the WC...

but what I hav to say is...Neill is a dumb coz u cannot do that kind of thing just a meter in front of the net...but hey this wasn't a pk...
but if the ref made a mistake...why the hell is italians fault???this is the thing that I don't understand...:sad:

[kingkong]

arrogance kk???u're talking about me????

Did you see your name there, cutie?...

Although you are (in many cases)...

Pretty ladies can be arrogant though :lol: ...

[kingkong]

well I'm happy to see an australian guy thinks that we didn't buy that game..
and u're right one of the most important thing is football is experience...and Australians has got not experience at all...the only one who has got it is Mark and we all saw how good he was in the WC...

but what I hav to say is...Neill is a dumb coz u cannot do that kind of thing just a meter in front of the net...but hey this wasn't a pk...
but if the ref made a mistake...why the hell is italians fault???this is the thing that I don't understand...:sad:

Italy won the Cup because deserved it!...

But that it wasn't penalty, it wasn't!...

They'd have won that game without needing it...

[Laury84]

Did you see your name there, cutie?...
no...but u know I'm maybe the only one european in this thread...so...I thought that u were talking about me...:sad:

[Laury84]

Italy won the Cup because deserved it!...

But that it wasn't penalty, it wasn't!...

They'd have won that game without needing it...
yeah I know that it wasn't a penalty...but IT'S NOT OUR FAULT IF THAT REF THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A PENALTY....this is the thing that I don't understand...why the hell the world hates us 4 that pk?????cmon...

[Laury84]

Did you see your name there, cutie?...

Although you are (in many cases)...

Pretty ladies can be arrogant though :lol: ...
I'm not arrogant...well...I don't think that I'm arrogant...mmm...am I arrogant??? :faint2:

[kingkong]

x

[kingkong]

I'm not arrogant...well...I don't think that I'm arrogant...mmm...am I arrogant??? :faint2:
Yes, you are! :mad2: ...

[Laury84]

Yes, you are! :mad2: ...
what????WHY????!!!!????!!!! :faint2:

[kingkong]

all right u know that I'm the 1st person that says that this wasn't a penalty at all...but I also know why the ref gave us that penalty...we played in ten all the second half 4....what???cmon don't say (even if u hate Marco coz everybody hates him) that Materazzi did a red-card fault...he didn't touch Mark...he made fault on Zambrotta!

look this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AmPy5GtX5Q

yeah is a fault...but cmon...a red card??????

Had to show a closer evidence of who touched who (maybe a VT replay)...

You know how easy is for anyone to say: "my compatriot" touched nobody ("t'was the opposite!")...

Yes, the referee might be wrong, but also could be right: the play was too quick...

Anyway you recognize at last it was a foul (and a providential one!), and, if it was, it necesarilly had to be a red card one: without it, the Aussie guy would run completely free towards the goal (&, in that case, you know that even a normal foul has to be punished with red...)

[kingkong]

what????WHY????!!!!????!!!! :faint2:

The drunkard will never concede he is drunk :ronaldo: ...

[Laury84]

The drunkard will never concede he is drunk :ronaldo: ...
no please explain why I am arrogant...

[Laury84]

Had to show a closer evidence of who touched who (maybe a VT replay)...

You know how easy is for anyone to say: "my compatriot" touched nobody ("t'was the opposite!")...

Yes, the referee might be wrong, but also could be right: the play was too quick...

Anyway you recognize at last it was a foul (and a providential one!), and, if it was, it necesarilly had to be a red card one: without it, the Aussie guy would run completely free towards the goal (&, in that case, you know that even a normal foul has to be punished with red...)
no Mark wasn't alone there were other italians players...so even if it was such a big fault (and it wasn't) he shouldn't hav had the red-card...:sad:

[Panathinaikos2]

edit..

[Laury84]

edit..
what???

[kingkong]

what???

That's his girlfriend name, Edith...

Forgot the "h"...

[kingkong]

no Mark wasn't alone there were other italians players...so even if it was such a big fault (and it wasn't) he shouldn't hav had the red-card...:sad:

Yes, but not close enough to stop him: one can see that clearly on the clip - if the foul didn't happen it would only be him and Buffon...

And that justifies the red...

[Laury84]

That's his girlfriend name, Edith...

Forgot the "h"...
:lol: :lol:

[Laury84]

Yes, but not close enough to stop him: one can see that clearly on the clip - if the foul didn't happen it would only be him and Buffon...

And that justifies the red...
what?!?!?!no u're wrong..he's not alone...it's not a red-card foul

[Sema]

Yes, that deserves a red. He didn't touch the ball at all, and he went in with both feet.

Another thing..as that one replier said to the vid. 2 mins before that he elbowed Tim Cahill in the head and got away with it. So 1 yellow there and 1 here = red, :p

[MagicFB]

Europe / UEFA
is the best

[Laury84]

Yes, that deserves a red. He didn't touch the ball at all, and he went in with both feet.

Another thing..as that one replier said to the vid. 2 mins before that he elbowed Tim Cahill in the head and got away with it. So 1 yellow there and 1 here = red, :p
cmon...what?!?!?!red card?!?!?! cmon....don't say that...he didn't deserve it at all!!did u ever see a red-card foul???

[Laury84]

Europe / UEFA
is the best
AMEN

[Vipaman]

Vipa boy,

Keep trying to hide the main questions with "your" big pictures!...:
(don't have my know-how yet! :p)

My big pictures? Whatever are you talking about King Kong? :eek: :D

Did I post these:


Join the majority, man...Don't be like them!...
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5962/ostrichheadinsandd5166afz0.jpg


Then you'll be able to say: I beat KK!...

(and Brazil will be happy because their bros beat him)...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9661/dsc03289105a061od6.jpg

:Party:


QUESTION 1: Where would you want Neil placing that hand of his (had asked you: IN HIS POCKET?);

Well, doesn't really matter anyhow since players are responsible for their hands all the time. He got himself into the mess in the first place and should have just admitted he was sloppy. Instead he's sent a bunch of young players and fans into more of a frenzy believing that Australia could have won the cup. Realistic fans should be happy that we did as well as we did, but instead many of the fans of World Cup only think we could have won it all. Get what I mean?


QUESTION 2: When and where was that "tackle" that only you saw?...

I know there was some artistic flair in the Italian, duh!! :rolleyes: Neill's tackle was sloppy and left the open door for it, and making contact with him made it no better for Neill. He got in the way of a goal scoring opportunity in the box and paid a heavy price for it. What get's me is that we had a good half of the game to win it all but hardly pressured them significantly. I know about possession, and yeah we had a lot but so what when you can't do anything with it. In fact, I think we had one or two shots on net with all that possession while they had the same or better? Point is, we just didn't have the technique or the experience to know what to do with the advantage. We simply were not good enough, but we did damn well and that's what people here should be discussing instead. Discussions on how to get better by learning from teams like them and of course form you South Americans ;)


QUESTION 3: And, last but not least, do you believe or not in Adam and Eve?...

You don't look that "innocent"...But it's Christmas time & people read a lot the Bible...

You are a 3rd Millennium Australian still behaving like an member of the old Commonwealth: i.e., stubbornly denying the rest of the world (& even your own country!) :sad: ...


I'm behaving like what, and denying whom?


That "wealth" has been "severely battered" in the XXth century, and, as a matter of fact, became quite "common" :ronaldo: ...


There's that word again, "battered". Why are you so into battering things? First it was this invisible monopoly that you say Europe has and now some wealth that I am supposedly working from? What "wealth" btw? :)



Forget a bit your useless "monopoly cardboard game" argument...

(one day you'll be an Uruguay, and will win 2 WCs and 2 Olympic Golds, OK? Promise!)

Puff, puff (putting spinach in my pipe, watch out!) :lol: ...

Nice diversion, but you still lose King Kong :D You're obsessed, but I suppose it's a harmless one :D I don't get it though, no one on this tiny little insignificant Island down under understands this battle between Europe and South America though. Can you explain it to us again? :D

[Vipaman]

well I'm happy to see an australian guy thinks that we didn't buy that game..
and u're right one of the most important thing is football is experience...and Australians has got not experience at all...the only one who has got it is Mark and we all saw how good he was in the WC...

but what I hav to say is...Neill is a dumb coz u cannot do that kind of thing just a meter in front of the net...but hey this wasn't a pk...
but if the ref made a mistake...why the hell is italians fault???this is the thing that I don't understand...:sad:


Trust me, I'm not the only one in Australia that knows it wasn't a foul and I don't care about it anymore. I was watching it on the big screen on the streets and of course there were heaps of mixed feelings. The bottom line is that our exposure in the World Cup has helped our A-League out heaps, and now it's being watched and stadiums are selling more tickets because of it. So basically, there is a pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow.

[Vipaman]

The drunkard will never concede he is drunk :ronaldo: ...

:stop:
Just like that guy who won't concede he is obsessed :lol:

[bLaCknbLuE4LiFe]

down with grosso...lol... onli jokin he plays wit inter

[bLaCknbLuE4LiFe]

yeah I know that it wasn't a penalty...but IT'S NOT OUR FAULT IF THAT REF THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A PENALTY....this is the thing that I don't understand...why the hell the world hates us 4 that pk?????cmon...

no1 hates the italians .. just the fact that grosso dived to get a fk.. thats all aussies r pissed off about...
the day after that game it was worse a Aust channel was showing the italian national team practising there dives at training.. and that peed more people off. im over it.. coz its happened now.. we lost to the world champions .. and we hold our heads high for it... Italy deserved to lift the World Cup they were the best team by far in the world cup.. and my hates off to them

[bLaCknbLuE4LiFe]

by the way Laury, i dont think ur arrogant.. ur quite pleasant and a lovely person :) forza IntER

[Laury84]

by the way Laury, i dont think ur arrogant.. ur quite pleasant and a lovely person :) forza IntER
on thanks a lot!same 4 u....FORZA INTER! :)

[Laury84]

no1 hates the italians .. just the fact that grosso dived to get a fk.. thats all aussies r pissed off about...
the day after that game it was worse a Aust channel was showing the italian national team practising there dives at training.. and that peed more people off. im over it.. coz its happened now.. we lost to the world champions .. and we hold our heads high for it... Italy deserved to lift the World Cup they were the best team by far in the world cup.. and my hates off to them
well there are stupid people in the world...nice to see that a lot of people here are not like them....:)

[Laury84]

Trust me, I'm not the only one in Australia that knows it wasn't a foul and I don't care about it anymore. I was watching it on the big screen on the streets and of course there were heaps of mixed feelings. The bottom line is that our exposure in the World Cup has helped our A-League out heaps, and now it's being watched and stadiums are selling more tickets because of it. So basically, there is a pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow.
:lol: :lol:
well if u improve ur league u'll improve ur nt and in 2010 u'll do a great WC and who knows?maybe u'll hav ur revenge...even if I hope u won't hav it...:D :p

[Port Wine]

Trust me, I'm not the only one in Australia that knows it wasn't a foul and I don't care about it anymore. I was watching it on the big screen on the streets and of course there were heaps of mixed feelings. The bottom line is that our exposure in the World Cup has helped our A-League out heaps, and now it's being watched and stadiums are selling more tickets because of it. So basically, there is a pot of gold at the end of the Rainbow.
Nah, that was a dive. I think the Australians are taking it quite well actually. If it had happened to England, their media would be talking about it, everyday, for at least 30 years. :lol:

[kingkong]

well there are stupid people in the world...nice to see that a lot of people here are not like them....:)

Is that directed to me, you arrogant?!!! :mad2: ...

[Laury84]

Is that directed to me, you arrogant?!!! :mad2: ...
what?!?!no kingkong!!!I wasn't talking about u really!!!why do u always think that if I say something bad is directed to u?!?!?really it wasn't...:)
And I'm not arrogant at all...:sad:

[Laury84]

Nah, that was a dive. I think the Australians are taking it quite well actually. If it had happened to England, their media would be talking about it, everyday, for at least 30 years. :lol:
well maybe even if it had happened to Italy...coz we're still talking about Moreno....:D

[Port Wine]

well maybe even if it had happened to Italy...coz we're still talking about Moreno....:D
:lol: Yep, u got a good sense of humour. :)

[Laury84]

:lol: Yep, u got a good sense of humour. :)
yeah I've got a good sense of humor...but it's the real situation...!!!!! :lol: :p

[Vipaman]

no1 hates the italians .. just the fact that grosso dived to get a fk.. thats all aussies r pissed off about...
the day after that game it was worse a Aust channel was showing the italian national team practising there dives at training..

LOL, I saw that too. You didn't believe it did you? It's some clip off of Youtube, not the actual team, lolol...

[Vipaman]

Nah, that was a dive. I think the Australians are taking it quite well actually. If it had happened to England, their media would be talking about it, everyday, for at least 30 years. :lol:

Our papers weren't much better, but now no one cares or remembers. I do agree with you about England though. You should have seen what they said when they won the Ashes, and how SILENT they are now that we humiliated them and took it back. :lol:

[Laury84]

LOL, I saw that too. You didn't believe it did you? It's some clip off of Youtube, not the actual team, lolol...
stupid clips

[Port Wine]

Our papers weren't much better, but now no one cares or remembers. I do agree with you about England though. You should have seen what they said when they won the Ashes, and how SILENT they are now that we humiliated them and took it back. :lol:
You mean the 5-0 thrashing Australia gave to England this year? ;)

What are the "ashes" anyway? Is it like the World Cup of Cricket or is it a private competition between England and Australia?

[bLaCknbLuE4LiFe]

LOL, I saw that too. You didn't believe it did you? It's some clip off of Youtube, not the actual team, lolol...

how do you know did you make the clip!!

[bLaCknbLuE4LiFe]

You mean the 5-0 thrashing Australia gave to England this year? ;)

What are the "ashes" anyway? Is it like the World Cup of Cricket or is it a private competition between England and Australia?

ashes are for only England V Australia

[Vipaman]

You mean the 5-0 thrashing Australia gave to England this year? ;)

What are the "ashes" anyway? Is it like the World Cup of Cricket or is it a private competition between England and Australia?

Yep, its between England and Australia only, and they hardly ever win it but they went on for days when they won it last year. It's what motivated us to give them a royal A*S whipping this time around. They won't be taking it back either. ;)

[Vipaman]

how do you know did you make the clip!!

Are you serious? You actually believe that is real? LOL... some friendly advice, it's not real. You can easily confirm it by looking at the players. What this just proves is that too many people are gullible and believe whatever they are told. Our papers took it overboard mate, totally overboard. We weren't good enough to win, but we did well and should be proud. That's the point.

[bLaCknbLuE4LiFe]

Are you serious? You actually believe that is real? LOL... some friendly advice, it's not real. You can easily confirm it by looking at the players. What this just proves is that too many people are gullible and believe whatever they are told. Our papers took it overboard mate, totally overboard. We weren't good enough to win, but we did well and should be proud. That's the point.

thankz for the friendly advice :)

[Vipaman]

According to the latest Fifa rankings
http://fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/index/0,2548,All-Jan-2007,00.html

The top 5 South American and top 5 European team are

For South America

Brazil
Argentina
Ecuador at 29th overall
Columbia at 34th overall and
Paraguay at 35th

Brazil and Argentina are the only two in the top 10. Not even Uruguay is in there which is disappointing for me since we beat them :D and so it was my only claim to fame of being better than South America as a continent. You do know that some people consider Australia a continent right? :lol:

For Europe the top 5 teams are:

Italy
France
Germany
England
Holland

all of them in the top 10.

So without going on and on, it looks like we have a winner in the who's better debate between Europe and South America? ;)

{can't wait for King Kong's picture threads} :ronaldo:

I mean, you can't seriously be picking South America who after Brazil and Argentina don't have another team until the 30th ranking positions can you? :noidea:

Spain and Czech Republic should probably be higher on that list too. I think Spain has a class team!! They should probably be 8th if the rankings were fair.

[Bosanac]

My question was, as I recall... for an average team where is it harder to qualify for the World Cup?


Like, in South America you can not consider Brazil or Argentina as average teams because they're the best, so you would have to pick a different team which would have you compete against BRA and ARG to qualify. Difficult? I would say so. A lot harder road to World Cup than for an average team in Europe.

[Langbaard]

My question was, as I recall... for an average team where is it harder to qualify for the World Cup?


Like, in South America you can not consider Brazil or Argentina as average teams because they're the best, so you would have to pick a different team which would have you compete against BRA and ARG to qualify. Difficult? I would say so. A lot harder road to World Cup than for an average team in Europe.

Very true, while big teams in Europe face teams like Andorra, Liechtenstein etc. they are as good ensured of already 6 points against these teams ( facing them 2 times ).

Personally I think they should make a pre-qualifying phase for these teams, I remember a game Holland - Andorra ( 4 - 0 ) where we simply outclassed them and all that happened was frustration from the opponent and trying to injure our players, this quality difference is just to big while I don't think that's the same for South America.

[Fenerliyim]

My question was, as I recall... for an average team where is it harder to qualify for the World Cup?


Like, in South America you can not consider Brazil or Argentina as average teams because they're the best, so you would have to pick a different team which would have you compete against BRA and ARG to qualify. Difficult? I would say so. A lot harder road to World Cup than for an average team in Europe.

Europe the same as well. Most groups have 2 powerful teams and the rest average.

[BRISTOLUK]

My question was, as I recall... for an average team where is it harder to qualify for the World Cup?


Like, in South America you can not consider Brazil or Argentina as average teams because they're the best, so you would have to pick a different team which would have you compete against BRA and ARG to qualify. Difficult? I would say so. A lot harder road to World Cup than for an average team in Europe.

Really? There are four WC places for SA. Five including the play off spot. So the other 8 SA teams are playing for 2 or 3 places.

As Vipaman says that means 2 or 3 SA teams ranked out of the top 30 are guaranteed to qualify. There are 20 European teams ranked higher than the other SA teams. As there are 14 European places that means at least six teams ranked higher than the other SA teams WILL NOT make it.

That's one definition that confirms it's harder to qualify in Europe.

As there are 52 European sides, that means the average teams will be roughly in the middle 17. There aren't enough places for the top 17 so that gives the average teams even less of a chance.

Despite their consistently high position in world football, Holland missed out in 2002 because of the quality fighting for limited places.
Turkey reached the WC semis in 2002, but missed out in 2006. As did European Champions of 2004, Greece. Denmark is ranked 10 places above the average SA teams...but there was no place for them either.

While above average European teams can't get through qualifying for the WC, average SA teams are guaranteed 2 places and a play off opportunity for a 3rd place.

Common sense should tell you that it's harder for average Euro teams than average SA teams.

[Vipaman]

Common sense should tell you that it's harder for average Euro teams than average SA teams.

Just looking at the top 10 list you see these teams which are more or less the same quality, with some minor differences

France, Germany, Italy, England, Holland, Brazil, Argentina

Ok some believe major differences, but the point is that they are the top teams of Europe and South America. Europe has a higher quantity of top teams, which makes competition a little more dense. South American has two top teams then a big gap in quality.

Of course it's harder to qualify from Europe for top teams, I reckon. Argentina and Brazil will always qualify from South America, but in Europe like Bristol said, there's always a quality team that doesn't make it.

[ferenc]

South america

[kingkong]

South americaFerenc's answer to Vipaman's was simple and final: I'd wish I had that mortal concision in my posts! :ronaldo: ...

Anyway, the truth is that numbers can be tricky, if you analyze them in a too quick way:

Europe has 5 top countries among the top 10, its true; SA has 2 (with 1st and 3rd places).

Europe nonetheless has 46 countries, and South America 9!: 5 times more countries!...

In order to truly rule, Europe should have then the obligation of having at least 10 top countries more than the SAs (5 x 2=10) among the 10 top ones - AND ALWAYS DOMINATE THE 3 1ST PLACES: SPECIALLY THE FIRST! ;) ...

In fact, Europe should ALWAYS have all the 10 first posts!...

Just five (scattered between 2nd & 10th) is also very little for the amount of seats(14) Euro nations have compared to SA (4-5) in the World Cup: in view of all that, 9 WC titles is a very scarce achievement.

That's why I say that the 'tie' btw Euros and SAs in amount of WC titles (9 x 9) is a flagrant statistical fallacy! :sad: ...

If SA at least had their 'insignificant 2' :lol: , let's say, in 5th & 7th places, or 8th & 10th, I might agree...

But 1st and 3rd (for decades & decades)...

No doubt SA rules.

[tdr]

Fifa thinks South America is better!

South America

4.5 out of 9 make it to the WC

while in Europe

14 out of 50 (including Montenego) make it

Fifa thinks South America is better!