Europe vs S. America

[Am I Evil?]

Yeah Africa has definately great talent but they have to improve the tactics, that's what they lack I think and that's the strong point generally of European teams.

I think S.A is definately better than Europe..European competitions being harder/more competitive than south american is just not true. Any of the European greats such as Italy, Germany, England etc would have a hard time qualifying for the WC through south america.

[Panathinaikos2]

South America is only harder in qualification becuase they play veryone. If Europe were to play everyone then it would be the hardest to qualify from.

[Ronni]

South America is only harder in qualification becuase they play veryone. If Europe were to play everyone then it would be the hardest to qualify from.
You touched the point!
A long qualifying round makes it easier for the favorites to prevail, and gives no chance to surprises. Every team has good and bad moments, and if there are just a few matches available, a good team isn't able to recover from a couple of bad results.
This means nowadays it's easier for Brazil and Argentina to qualify than to France, Italy or Germany. But it's more difficult for Columbia, Chile and Paraguay than it is for Belgium, Norway or Slovenia.

Previous to 98 it was the opposite though. Although having strong teams, Brazil and Argentina had to count on luck to qualify. Seeing that in modern football tactics and schemes were able to shrunk the gap between teams with largely different technical levels, Conmebol changed it, so that the south american qualifying wouldn't become a random draw.
And this was done despite of the pressure coming from the clubs, in a "football age" dominated by money. It was really a wise decision, one of the few decisions taken by football managers we can really applaud.

In Europe things got better as many new federations were founded due to the new political order in the continent. The groups became larger, and the "random aspect" less important. But it's difficult to imagine this can be improved and the groups could get larger providing a fair "league" modus. The pressure on FIFA for international dates is huge, and since Europe has also qualifyings for the EC and this european tournament itself, it gets pretty impossible to change the current rule.
An interesting solution for Europe would be to do more or less like what they did in Africa. CAF has the same "problem" as Europe: too many associated federations, and not all of them really competitive. A league system is impossible - you can't spread the teams in first, second and further divisions since the period to play is long, and forces may change too much between two events. CAF decided to combine the qualifying to the CAN with the one to the WC. This was really wise. In Europe it may be impracticable, since like the WC, the Euro must be played in the summer. Perhaps if they change the date for the Euro to one year before the WC ...
No idea. I'm not the one who has to take this decision or to find a solution for this. In the worst case, it will stay the way it is.

[ricoo9]

I will not give any credit for your opinios, because Europeans qualy always has just 1 difficult group, the olthers is ridiculous, look at this:

South America

Brazil
Argentina
Uruguay
Chile
Ecuador
Paraguay
Colombia
Venezuela
Peru (in 2700 m)
Bolivia (in 3600 m)



One thing brazuca, Who told u Peru plays in at 2700m? ur info is wrong, peru plays in Lima which has no altitude. I think ur getting confused with Ecuador.

As for the rest, I agree with South America being harder to qualify. All the teams are competitive. The worst team in S.A. is Bolivia, after that Urugay/paragay/peru/colombia/chile/venezuela are all even teams that have to fight off eachother for 2 spots to the WC. Europe in the other hand has Great teams along with very poor teams which makes it easier for the big teams to go.

[brazuca5copas]

One thing brazuca, Who told u Peru plays in at 2700m? ur info is wrong, peru plays in Lima which has no altitude. I think ur getting confused with Ecuador.

As for the rest, I agree with South America being harder to qualify. All the teams are competitive. The worst team in S.A. is Bolivia, after that Urugay/paragay/peru/colombia/chile/venezuela are all even teams that have to fight off eachother for 2 spots to the WC. Europe in the other hand has Great teams along with very poor teams which makes it easier for the big teams to go.

Yeah I' was confusing with Equador

[soniq]

europe for ever

[Nummer 10]

Both continents are tough, for 2 different reasons. SouthAmerica has Brazil and Argentina, Europe has many different teams that have a very high level of quality but no team that can match Brazil on paper and very few can match Argentina. European teams that don't get to go to the WC could've beaten the other southamerican teams that did qualify if they had gotten the chance.

Other than Brazil and Argentina, the South American teams that do qualify for the WC rarely produces much. There is a gap between Brazil,Argentina and the rest. Several European groups can be tough as nails, Czech had to play-off in order to make it to the WC. Turkey didnt make the cut, Spain had to play-off in order to qualify. It's tougher to qualify from Europe but once in the WC, Brazil and Argentina always has to be considered a favorite for winning it all.

Sweden ended up with a SouthAmerican team in the WC group and I would be lying if I said that I'm thinking we would have a very hard time beating them.

[Nummer 10]

Sweden - No, never won nothing
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Yep, Sweden never won the WC. We got Bronzes and played a final which Pele ended up winning for you, but if by winning, you mean the trophy then yes you are correct...Sweden never won.

Sweden did send the Argentinians to the flight terminal in the "all or nothing" game in the last WC. The penalty Argentina got in this game also had 2 faults, first Ortega's hollywood performance but more importantly, Crespo (I believe it was) being deep (not just by a small margin) inside the goal area, thus managing to be the first player on the ball after Hedman saved the penalty.

But something tells me that you are not the least interested in this, so carry on with your "European teams suck" agenda.

[PunkguyEG]

I think it is harder to qualify in SA.

[BRISTOLUK]

I think it is harder to qualify in SA.


Your reasons are?

[handofgod]

My friends, it does not matter!!! Let's unite against MEXICO being seeded!!!!!

WTF!!!!! They do not deserve it!!!! They suck!! Mexico has never won anything and will always go to the WC b/c they play against the kinds of Haiti, etc!!!

[RojINeGrO5051]

wat the ***k is fifa going to do lol...

[handofgod]

FIFA?? Nothing they can kiss my arse!!! You are rrright Sir RojiNegro (that means el Negro te dejo bien rojo??!!)

But doesn't mean Mexico will ever win.

[BOCA]

South american players...
European teams...

Players:
Ronaldinho... the best player in the world (of course better than pele.. not maradona)
Robinho... A genius
Ronaldo... the best fat player in the world
Kaka... The best in his position
Tevez.. the best in brazil

Teams:
Milan
Barca
Juve

[kingkong]

WC 1986 until WC 2002: do you know how many South American teams, other than Brazil and Argentina, have made it to the quarterfinals??? ZERO.

You know how many European teams have made it to the quarterfinals and beyond during that same period??? SEVERAL. I guess the South American teams, minus Brazil and Argentina, cant compete against the "weak" European teams.

WC 1982 and before there was no quarterfinals. Only division play and then directly in to the semifinals.

WC 1974 until WC 1982: do you know how many South American teams, other than Brazil and Argentina, made it to the semifinals? ZERO

During that same period, you know how many European teams made it to the semifinals and beyond? SEVERAL.. Again, the South American teams, minus Brazil and Argentina, couldnt compete against the "weak" European teams back then as well.


Now, WC 1934 until WC 1970, not including 1942 and 1946 because of World War II, other than Brazil and Argentina, how many different South American teams made it to the semifinals? Uruguay had a great team until 1970 and won Cups and made it to the semis a few times but have not been close since then. Thats 30 years now. Chile made it to the semifinal once during that time.

Again, many different European teams made it to the semifinals and beyond during that time. And its not because of quantity but because of quality. The results speak for themselves. The Eurocup has more quality teams, overall, than Copa America. Only Brazil and Argentina could win a Eurocup.




Plato-ny,

You're getting too..."platonic"!

Greece won the last Eurocup but it could easily fall to Ecuador or Paraguay, either in Quito, Asunción or...Athens!...

Europe had many NT's in the quarters or semis because they always comfortably outnumbered competitors from other continents...

Still, their "biggies" (even being 5 or 6) lose badly to the 2 or 3 SouthAmericans (Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay) when the matter is semis and finals (in that aspect 9 x 8 in titles is an awesome difference, specially if we consider that 9 of 17 WCS were played in European territory and only 4 in Southamerica) [3 others in North America, and 1 in Asia, but for us those are completely different continents]

When we use quantitative standards ("Pelé 1300 goals, thus the best of all times"), you scream: "quantity is not quality"! [although that's not always true, specially in Pelé's case]; but here you're prodigal in numbers, counting, penny by penny [or euro by euro] each time Switzerland, Bielorussia, Finland, Bosnia, Austria, Wales, Lietszchentryhyin, Crete, Ireland or Groenland (a landslide of shit) arrives to a quarterfinal, and that's what counts for you to say..."we are...the best"!!!...

Write that down: in Europe were invented the rules, in SA was invented the GAME!!!

[rushdentillidie]

If you were to say to me which continent had the best team in the world then I would have to say South America. Hell I belive they have the top two in Brazil and (i say through gritted teeth) Argentina.

If this question was based on who has the harder games in World Cup qualifying then again I would have to say South America.

However when it comes down to what continent has the most quantity of world class N.T then I would have to say Europe.

As an Englishman, only Brazil and Argentina would cause me to worry if we were to face them. In europe, I would have doubts about Italy, Netherlands, France, Czech Republic, Spain and Portugal.

[BRISTOLUK]

Europe had many NT's in the quarters or semis because they always comfortably outnumbered competitors from other continents...

Still, their "biggies" (even being 5 or 6) lose badly to the 2 or 3 SouthAmericans (Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay)


It's true that Euro teams outnumber SA teams. This, of course, makes it far more likely that they meet each other in games and knock each other out. You should also take into account that Euro teams share groups in the WC finals whereas SA teams cannot. I do not disagree with this. But, once again, this means that potentially Euro teams may knock each other out. But it doesn't routinely happen because, with the exception of Brazil and Argentina, SA has no other teams likely to challenge the middle to top European teams. That's why 20 Euro teams have done what only 2 SA teams have done in the last 20 years; reach the quarter finals.

The Euro biggies do not lose badly to Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay. That's a myth due to two SA teams doing so well and making it appear that SA is top continent.
Uruguay weren't good enough to make it this time. Last time they failed at the group stage, beaten by Denmark. The time before they didn't qualify...Columbia did and lost out in the group stage to England and Romania....and they didn't make it in 94 either. They only made one 'finals' in four.
Meanwhile, 'mighty' Romania was knocking out Argentina in 94, Holland knocked them out in 98 while France soundly beat Brazil in the final. In 2002 Argentina failed at the group stage, Sweden outdoing them as well as England. I could go on, but I did it already in these forums. There is only one SA team consistently beating top Euro teams in the WC and that's Brazil. Argentina does it occasionally, but not as often as it gets done to them. Fortunately it looks as if Argentina are 'coming again' and will give the WC some extra 'balance' in the later stages. It may well be that those two are better than Europe's best. But there's a whole bunch of Euro teams ahead of SA's next team.

If SA teams were beating Euro 'biggies' as often as you seem to think, then SA would be ahead by more than one in terms of World Cups wouldn't they?

[Orgulho Judeu]

alot of the best players come from South or Latin America, and South America has arguabley the two best NT in the world...also South America leads in the world cup for who has the most cups...
South America :first:
Eurpoe invented it South America perfected it...

[BRISTOLUK]

alot of the best players come from South or Latin America, and South America has arguabley the two best NT in the world...also South America leads in the world cup for who has the most cups...
South America :first:
Eurpoe invented it South America perfected it...



That's a better argument than the mythical one. :)

[besiktas1903]

long story short, south americans have the technique (even their defenders and goalkeepers can score a good number of quality goals) and individual skills, whereas the europeans master in tactics and teamplay, rather.

[Dutchfan]

South american players...
European teams...

Players:
Ronaldinho... the best player in the world (of course better than pele.. not maradona)
Robinho... A genius
Ronaldo... the best fat player in the world -that's a good one!!
Kaka... The best in his position
Tevez.. the best in brazil

Teams:
Milan
Barca
JuveBut I would add: Maradona - "the best drug-addicted cheating player the world has ever seen!!!" - take THAT, Argentino!!!!

[realmadrid289]

europe no doubt
but sao paolo surprised me

[gregorsamsa]

You forgot Uruguay and Paraguay...
SA has four to qualify. Imagine that you are Chile.
You must finish ahead of Uruguay, Paraguay, Equador, Colombia... Brazil and Argentina doesnt count. In fact you must finish fourth. So forget one of these...
Take off Uruguay.
Last year Argentina lost to Paraguay. The same year was the first that Argentina won against Bolivia in La Paz - I dont know if you consider Bolivia being a tough team, but in La Paz...

I dont know how bad is in Europe... Its just some points...

[Orgulho Judeu]

europe no doubt
but sao paolo surprised me
South America no doubt, and Liverpool should have won.

look at the stats...WC
SA 9
EU 8
two best players the world has seen...Maradona, Pele both from SA
player fo the year Ronaldinho...SA
and if you want to add in the club thing Sao Paulo did technically win it
the only reason has better clubs is because of money...they buy people from guess where SA
team with most world cup wins...Brazil...SA
the onyl reason Europe is stronger is...1 bigger population, 2 more money
3 more teams allowed in WC...yet SA continues to lead in WC wins, and European leagues still heavily rely on SA players...which looking at these facts makes SA look even more strong...South America without a doubt...

"(Europe) invented it, (South America) perfected it."

so now a matter of opinion...which is better pioneering, or perfection...in terms of skill, the latter is. And this is based interms of skill is it not, Europe has many advantages, yet South America still keeps up or even surpasses them.

[Orgulho Judeu]

My friends, it does not matter!!! Let's unite against MEXICO being seeded!!!!!

WTF!!!!! They do not deserve it!!!! They suck!! Mexico has never won anything and will always go to the WC b/c they play against the kinds of Haiti, etc!!!
yet Brazil not them is the only team to qualify for every single world cup...why not have them as an easy team, as a stepping stone for moving up in the tornament without having to work for it

[Neo-Reloaded]

Brazuca you are a joke. For starters, your qualifications are far easier simply because you get the same teams all the times. In Europe, we are seeded. Teams like San Marino get to fight against not just Croatia and Serbia, but with Italy, Spain, England, Germany, Holland, Portugal, and France and so on. Don’t make us laugh man, Bolivia tied Brazil and they are last in the group! The only two world class teams in your round are Argentina and Brazil. It is also the same teams over and over. We all know that they will qualify. Yet, explain to me how Ecuador can beat Brazil 3-0 and in the WC Italy beats them 2-0…so Italy is better than Brazil? Bolivia dominated Brazil…I said Bolivia, the last team in the group… PHULEEEEEEZE!
shut up, Europe qualifiers are a joke, Spain against san marino? please, it's like san marino is a practice match and free 3 points, the same with other weakest countries, why do you think the most strong european teams always make it to the WC or well, to be fair, most of the time, bcuz the other teams are weak.

Now look at SA, Brasil and Argentina are REALLY strong compared to other countries, then you have Paraguay, Ecuador, Colombia, Peru, Chile, Bolivia, Uruguay and sorry if i miss another team, none off them (probably paraguay and uruguay) are a really strong team, 4 example in Peru we have Farfan, Pizarro, Solano(not now), Guerrero, and other good players but we finished almost last (after bolivia), so what i'm trying to say is that there is not a big difference between the smaller teams in south america, so u have to fight harder to go to the WC.

[BRISTOLUK]

shut up, Europe qualifiers are a joke, Spain against san marino? please, it's like san marino is a practice match and free 3 points, the same with other weakest countries, why do you think the most strong european teams always make it to the WC or well, to be fair, most of the time, bcuz the other teams are weak.

Now look at SA, Brasil and Argentina are REALLY strong compared to other countries, then you have Paraguay, Ecuador, Colombia, Peru, Chile, Bolivia, Uruguay and sorry if i miss another team, none off them (probably paraguay and uruguay) are a really strong team, 4 example in Peru we have Farfan, Pizarro, Solano(not now), Guerrero, and other good players but we finished almost last (after bolivia), so what i'm trying to say is that there is not a big difference between the smaller teams in south america, so u have to fight harder to go to the WC.


You seem to be saying that the smaller SA teams have it harder because there isn't much difference in their levels. But this applies in Europe too. With one major difference. Instead of just two top teams and the rest (like SA), there are a dozen top teams, then another level and then the minnows. There's a smaller difference between the top two levels than exists between SA's big 2 and the rest. Europe cannot have the luxury of one big qualifiying group.

[Ronni]

UEFA is the only confederation that, despite of having huge differences among the participants, don't organize the qualifyings on different rounds.
This means that this question will always reoccur.

Since they started in South America the qualifying on the single group, it became "fairer", since the qualifying gets less random, but in this way it's pretty predictable that two places are already taken, what makes it very difficult for the other many teams of the same level to qualify.
Previously it was Brazil and Argentina who were complaining that it was more difficult for them to qualify than it was for Germany and Italy. With the new rules it's Colombia and others, saying it's more difficult for them to qualify than for Belgium or others.

The success of the two confederations in the first round of the World Cup shows that they're pretty equal (with some marginal advantage towards Conmebol), but still much higher than the other confederations.

So the question is how many places would each confederation "deserve" regarding their performance on the first round of the WC.

I used the results of the last 5 WCs and got to the following "chances of going further once in the WC" (already posted before):

Conmebol: 73%
UEFA: 69%
Concacaf: 58%
CAF: 29%
AFC: 21%

So, considering the places offered in 2006:

Conmebol: 4,5
UEFA: 15
Concacaf: 3,5
CAF: 5
AFC: 5

and the performances above, we would get to the following "deserved" places:

Conmebol: 6
UEFA: 18
Concacaf: 3,5
CAF: 2,5
AFC: 2

In this situation, we would have in 2006 the following teams present:
Norway, Slovakia, Turkey, Uruguay, Colombia
while Iran, Saudi Arabia, probably Australia, and 2 or 3 africans would be missing.

Well ... it's a World Cup. So it's ok that it's a little bit more "mixed".
As much respect I have for the 5 teams that according to my calculation would be present and still will be at home, I consider the way FIFA did it as more interesting.

Anyway the question "Europe or South America" is not answered. As I said, they're pretty equal.

[ulster21]

World Cup should be best 32, not best 24 or so and 8 african,asian, and caribbean teams. This distorts the Cup. Also, the world cup should happen every 2 years not 4.

[Xikunahity]

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[BRISTOLUK]

.....the hype some very inconsistent teams have in EU (remember france being sent home not scoring one single goal, unbelievable, hum?, spain, england, portugal, etc,etc,etc)

Not sure what you mean in the the examples of Spain, England and Portugal. But examples of failure also happen with SA as well as Europe. Sure France messed up. As did Argentina. Who also messed up against African opponents previously.

just one question

greece winning the euro with that ultra defensive scheme, the same zagorakis crossing to charistes play in 3 straight final/decisive games is a signal of europeans nts average strengh or fragility?

You're judging the strength of a continent's teams by looking at one of them? That's hardly representative.

[Mugabi]

Southamerica... They may have invented the game, but we perfected it. Period.

[Xikunahity]

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[BRISTOLUK]

im saying that europe has only 3 teams with solid tradition, do i have to mention them?
read again, im asking


My apologies for misunderstanding you. You mentioned Greece and asked if it was a sign of strength or fragility of European teams. Sometimes that kind of question is asked where someone already knows the answer but it's a good way of making a point. That's what I thought you were doing and I didn't think there was enough evidence to judge anyway.

[conceicao]

I just don't think that the European skill level is there any more - seems
like the big Euro teams have devolved into perennial also rans like Mexico
which is why the Mexicans are seeded and even the U.S. should have
been along with Paraguay of course. If I have a choice between watching
European national teams or the Brasilian women's team, I watch the Samba Princesses every time. Think maybe England, Germany et al ought to hire a good Brasilian coach or maybe Marta or Cristiane as practice players so at least they can learn some advanced ball skills.

[BRISTOLUK]

I just don't think that the European skill level is there any more - seems
like the big Euro teams have devolved into perennial also rans like Mexico
which is why the Mexicans are seeded and even the U.S. should have
been along with Paraguay of course. If I have a choice between watching
European national teams or the Brasilian women's team, I watch the Samba Princesses every time. Think maybe England, Germany et al ought to hire a good Brasilian coach or maybe Marta or Cristiane as practice players so at least they can learn some advanced ball skills.

I'm never going to deny Brasilian skills....but Brasil is not SA and SA is not just Brasil. Most of the rest of SA is nowhere near Brasil standards.
I'm curious.....would you have Rooney in your team....or at least on the bench? :)

[Ronni]

I just don't think that the European skill level is there any more -seems like the big Euro teams have devolved into perennial also rans like Mexico which is why the Mexicans are seeded and even the U.S. should have been along with Paraguay of course.

I don't agree. In the last years they've been presenting good players the way they weren't in the 80's or 90's.
I would mention England, Italy and France with much better players than 20 years ago. Germany is the one that apparantly closed their good players factory or at least is running it at low flame.
If I have a choice between watching European national teams or the Brasilian women's team, I watch the Samba Princesses every time.
I must agree with you at some extent.
Indeed the brazilian womens team is the only one among the best ones that have the same style as the men - for one reason: most of the brazilian girls started playing football with their male friends instead of an organized club. And they weren't "spoiled" yet, and it's really something to enjoy to see them playing. They never won anything at world level, but without having the same "surroundings" as the others, and just with their ability they are always on top 6 in all tournaments.

However I must say I love matches with "important" background, i.e., lots of people watching and worried about the final result that will enter the history etc. That's why I prefer to see a WC match Ecuador vs. Costa Rica than a friendly Holland vs. Italy.
You may say I'm not a fan of football, but a fan of football competition. You may be right.

On competition, Europe still has more to offer than South America. They have more countries and more population. And most of all, the difference between the big ones and the second level isn't that high - they have a wider group of "giants" (= they have many countries of similar size).

Think maybe England, Germany et al ought to hire a good Brasilian coach or maybe Marta or Cristiane as practice players so at least they can learn some advanced ball skills.
I'm sure you're kidding.
Ball skills are learned at a younger age, all the rest is tactical and technical discipline (and if it helped, germans would be the most wonderful football players to admire). And there must be some kind of "body intelligence" related to it (otherwise I can't explain why I was never able to play well neither volleyball nor futsal)

[conceicao]

Bristoluk, probably would take Rooney over Ronaldo as I prefer a player
who at least tries to move around a little bit at this stage of his career.

Ronni, I am of course kidding about Marta and Cristiane as practice players.
However, my broader point is that the Europeans would benefit from trying to
copy Brasil's style of play instead of focusing on trying to out think or coach them. Brasilians are just smarter at football than the Europeans as Scolari
proved with the England and Germany humiliations. Look at how much the
Brasilian women improved when they got a good men's coach and just said we are playing Brasilian style no matter what. If a group of mainly teenage
girls can adapt the style why not a team of European pros? I am
saying that, just as at one time Brasil thought it had to play European, maybe
at this stage the Europeans would improve if they put their first world
arrogance aside and tried to copy the Brasilians - I would wager that part of
Scolari's success with Portugal is due to this kind of thinking.

[BRISTOLUK]

Brasilians are just smarter at football than the Europeans as Scolari
proved with the England and Germany humiliations. ... I am saying that, just as at one time Brasil thought it had to play European, maybe
at this stage the Europeans would improve if they put their first world
arrogance aside and tried to copy the Brasilians.


I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but you refer to 2-1 & 2-0 victories against England and Germany as humiliations. Those kind of scorelines are a long way from humiliating defeats...they're actually quite normal... so it looks a little like a double standard to complain of European arrogance. Some posters will see that as inflamatory language and just respond with abuse, spoiling things for those of us who like a good debate.:worried:
I remember when Brasil thought they should play European style. It was because Brasil style wasn't working wasn't it? Now it's working again...presumably because they again have the players to make it work. It's not just Europe that doesn't have (so many players) to make it work, but the rest of SA too. Columbia got close to that style once...but it didn't work for them. Argentina, Uruguay, Italy, Germany, France etc...they all have a different style. And every so often they'll have a group of players particularly well suited to a certain style. One style is not guaranteed to win. A group of good players well suited to a style can beat anyone, no matter what their style is, on any given day. That's why Brasil hasn't won all WCs and why, when it's won by a European team, the style of the winners has been different to other times.

[conceicao]

Bristoluk, you make good points, but I think that you should consider the
way Brasil ran through the tournament last time in I believe unprecedented
fashion and how weak the Germans, Italians and French appear today
relative to their past histories. As for the Germany game last time, I
thought the way Kahn coughed up the ball for the first goal was very poor -
especially in light of the press he was getting - and far worse than Lucio's blunder against England. As for England, I really question their chances
after the Brasil game last time. How is their quality when they are handed
a gift goal and play with a man advantage for the last 30+ minutes, and even
by their coach's admission show very little. Cole getting screwed into the ground by Ronaldinho on the breakaway leading to the first goal, Seaman (sic) getting fooled by the falling leaf, and then the entire team doing little to
challenge Brasil's possession in the last 30 minutes really were rather poor
and even humiliating in my opinion. As for inflammatory comments ruining
the board, I plead guilty and promise to reform. Thanks.

[Orgulho Judeu]

South american players...
European teams...

Players:
Ronaldinho... the best player in the world (of course better than pele.. not maradona)
Robinho... A genius
Ronaldo... the best fat player in the world
Kaka... The best in his position
Tevez.. the best in brazil

Teams:
Milan
Barca
Juve

Twisted Argentine...no one is better then Pele...but Ronaldinho is making a run for it...Maradona...eh...if Ronaldinho is better then Pele then Ronaldinho is better then Maradona...SPFC for life

[Orgulho Judeu]

Both Italy and Germany have 3 world cups while Argentina one of the only two good nations in South America only has two.
Italy3 Germany3... 3+3=6
Brazil5 Argentina2... 5+2=7 :lol:

also...Brazil 5 Uruguay 2...5+2=7 (and Uruguay did nto even qualify...that is how hard it is in South America...where as in Europe how many qualified?????if Uruguay were in Europe they would have qualified, no question.)
Also...two non leaders of SA v One leader and one non leader of EU
Argentina 2 Uruguay 2...2+2=4
Italy 3 England 1...3+1=4

When it comes to WC SA has EU beat.

[Becks]

The scores mean nothing other than South America has some poor keepers...

Scoring against Germany is something to be proud of... They have top ranked keepers playing for them.


England defeated Argentina in their last counter I do believe... yes yes.

[Orgulho Judeu]

The scores mean nothing other than South America has some poor keepers...

Scoring against Germany is something to be proud of... They have top ranked keepers playing for them.


England defeated Argentina in their last counter I do believe... yes yes.
on the otherhand you cant score on defence, so i say score stands for something...poor keepers...we will see come world cup...who scores more on euro teams...SA teams, does uerope score on sa teams an inordinate amount...no...so maybe...just maybe...its europe has bad offence rather then sa having bad defence...and remember defence does nto min games...unless ur greece. Socring agaist Germany is something to be proud of, but scoring on us is not...why...becuase we are from the land of poor keepers...but if we win it means that we scored on germany more then they scored on us...which would make their keepers pooper then ours...

[J3R3M7]

The scores mean nothing other than South America has some poor keepers...

Scoring against Germany is something to be proud of... They have top ranked keepers playing for them.


England defeated Argentina in their last counter I do believe... yes yes.

He wasn't talking about scores, he was talking about world cups won.

[Ronni]

Ronni, I am of course kidding about Marta and Cristiane as practice players.

Sorry for asking for a sort of confirmation. I've been in this forum for a couple of months and as far as I have noticed, here you can never be sure ...


However, my broader point is that the Europeans would benefit from trying to
copy Brasil's style of play instead of focusing on trying to out think or coach them.
I agree that Brazilians commonly seem to have a better ball feeling, but still this is a generalization. This does not include all brazilian players nor this excludes all european players. I would take this for a trend, but not a rule. And if this happens, in my opinion the key for this feeling is on the basis, i.e. it's developed at younger ages. So imo it's fairily impossible to change anything at NT level, since you have to take a too broad group of youngsters to be able to hope a NT-level player will come out of this group.
And since on today's football everything turns around money, and who's investing on football isn't much interested in having any country getting a better football level, but on grabbing the lots of "quick" money available. This means "hunting" brings more than "raising" - and this is done not only in Europe, but also in South America. In my opinion one of the causes for Brazil's success on bringing many good players to the international scene is the excellent "hunting" networks they have in the country.


Brasilians are just smarter at football than the Europeans as Scolari
proved with the England and Germany humiliations.
He just had better players than the others, and was intelligent himself on using this. The humiliation I see is that in both matches it was clear which was the team supposed to win, and playing accordingly. It worked, but it could have failed too. What Scolari did was making this less likely.


Look at how much the Brasilian women improved when they got a good men's coach and just said we are playing Brasilian style no matter what. If a group of mainly teenage girls can adapt the style why not a team of European pros?
I don't agree. As I posted before, a typical characteristic of the brazilian women teams is that most girls grew up playing football in a male group. In Europe (and of course even more in the US) they commonly start from the beginning in organized girls-only groups. The first direct effect we have from that is that brazilian girls and boys come from the same basis, the same style. The second one is that they have problems on getting sponsors, that avoid connecting their brands to "outsiders".
So what we observe in the brazilian women's teams isn't the effect of a brazilian coach bringing male brazilian style to the girls, but a brazilian coach grabbing the male brazilian style already present in the girls.


I am saying that, just as at one time Brasil thought it had to play European,

Brazil decided to play "european" as an obvious (an unhappy) consequence of football development. Europeans were the ones who developed some kind of tactics that is able to neutralize technical differences among teams. In my opinion this is also the cause for the fact that it's much more difficult now for stronger teams to beat weaker teams, and therefore you have lots of "small" nations getting higher and daring to defy the "big" ones.
The challenge the brazilian NT has for years is how to cope with this neutralizing effect. Just playing in a similar way was the immediate conclusion. But probably not the solution. As much as I don't like Parreira and Scolari, perhaps these were the ones who recognized where their chances are. They know their players are technically better, and they have to be able to ensure results with this. In 2002 Scolari's tactics was clear and easy. Have a look on the matches against Turkey, Belgium and Germany. You see an incredibly intelligent team that "knows" they can't lose, and base their goals possibility on the better ball technics they know they possess. Some kind of "let them think they can beat us". In Brazil they call this "give them the rope so that they can hang themselves".


maybe at this stage the Europeans would improve if they put their first world
arrogance aside and tried to copy the Brasilians -
I don't think anyone is worried about emulating or beating particularly anyone. What europeans (and brazilians!) always try to do is to take the best they can out of the material they have.


I would wager that part of
Scolari's success with Portugal is due to this kind of thinking.
Portugal has excellent players, and tend to be underestimated. This is exactely the situation Scolari is a master on dealing with. Have a look on his first times in Brazil, as a coach that could bring up underdogs.
I don't understand why he managed to be defeated by Greece twice. In my opinion he played Greece like Brazil had played China, instead of the way he played Germany. Unfortunately for him Greece isn't China. And Portugal isn't Brazil.
We'll see if he'll make the same error this year. Anyway if he's successful, it isn't because his players play "brazilian". It's because his players are very good, and they play "scolarian".

[Becks]

I still say subtract 1 world cup from Argentina...
...Hand of God...


Brazil always gets an easy draw... Look at Argentina...They will win it if they can get out of their "group of death."

If someone says Brazil has good keepers, then you need to get your head check. Pele himself has even stated that Brazil is fortunate to win so many World Cups because they never seem to produce keepers. Their strikers keep them alive.

Let's look at England's defenders:
Sol Campbell, Ferdinand, Terry, Neville, Cole... The list goes on my friend... You cannot say Euro teams have poor defence.

Granted... Brazil has the one-man-wall known as Roberto Carlos that could eaily dispose of 2 attackers at once... But Euro teams have just as good defenders as Brazil or Argentina.

Brazil wins because they can basically produce from the forwards... If they weren't goal-scoring machines, then they would have only won maybe 1 world cup.

[Stryker06]

as if england had won the world cup in 86 if maradona didn't score with his hand. maradona was the player of the tournament, a team with him should've won the cup. not england with their one-dimensional robots.

so if argentina finish 2nd by beating serbia and ivory coast and losing to holland will mean they'll win the cup? please
and brazil have not always had an easy draw.

englands' defence is their only strong side. their midfield is quite good, but nothing special, while upfront it's pretty much rooney, and that's it.
and brazil's defence is just as good as england's or any other euro team. ever heard of lucio, edmilson, roque junior, alex, or cafu? they'll eat that midget owen alive.

[Becks]

I never said Brazil had nothing for defence. I complimented their defenders if you'll read that.
Only Rooney up front?!! Owen has been chasing Charlton's record for goals! At this rate, he'll reach it as well! AND THE MIDFIELD?!!!! LAMPARD AND GERRARD! Wright-Phillips will be on form by then and will live up to his potential, I hope.....

If Argentina can defeat Holland, then yes, I think they will have a very good chance at winning the cup.

Adriano is not at his best right now, Robinho is not, Ronaldo is not... Ronaldinho is the heart of that team right now. Things can change however.

Messi will shine, Crespo is playing fantastic, and they have a few good defenders.



Right now, the cup is a toss-up.

England had a very good chance at winning the cup. Maradona will be remembered for 2 goals mainly (even though he had more that should be)... The Hand of God, and the goal where he made the marvelous run. The match could have gone very differently if not for the earlier mentioned goal.

[Orgulho Judeu]

I still say subtract 1 world cup from Argentina...
...Hand of God...


Brazil always gets an easy draw... Look at Argentina...They will win it if they can get out of their "group of death."

If someone says Brazil has good keepers, then you need to get your head check. Pele himself has even stated that Brazil is fortunate to win so many World Cups because they never seem to produce keepers. Their strikers keep them alive.

Let's look at England's defenders:
Sol Campbell, Ferdinand, Terry, Neville, Cole... The list goes on my friend... You cannot say Euro teams have poor defence.

Granted... Brazil has the one-man-wall known as Roberto Carlos that could eaily dispose of 2 attackers at once... But Euro teams have just as good defenders as Brazil or Argentina.

Brazil wins because they can basically produce from the forwards... If they weren't goal-scoring machines, then they would have only won maybe 1 world cup.

suptract one from Argentina my ass...dont touch Argentina they are one of the best in the world, and they deserve every cup they have :smoking:

[Becks]

There are many that will argue that. :)

[SE7E]

South american players...
European teams...

Players:
Ronaldinho... the best player in the world (of course better than pele.. not maradona)
Robinho... A genius
Ronaldo... the best fat player in the world
Kaka... The best in his position
Tevez.. the best in brazil

Teams:
Milan
Barca
JuveAgreed, but Dinho better than "o rei"??? He might surpass Maradona this year...

[Orgulho Judeu]

Agreed, but Dinho better than "o rei"??? He might surpass Maradona this year...
Hes from Argentina dude...look at his name :lol:

[ricoo9]

Maradona was 1000 times better than pele, so i would say dinho is 500 times better than pele :)

[SE7E]

Maradona was 1000 times better than pele, so i would say dinho is 500 times better than pele :)What a joke!!! Actually it made me laugh... thanks. :lol:

[Xikunahity]

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[ricoo9]

What a joke!!! Actually it made me laugh... thanks. :lol:

:confused:

[inyourworld]

I still say subtract 1 world cup from Argentina...
...Hand of God...


Brazil always gets an easy draw... Look at Argentina...They will win it if they can get out of their "group of death."

If someone says Brazil has good keepers, then you need to get your head check. Pele himself has even stated that Brazil is fortunate to win so many World Cups because they never seem to produce keepers. Their strikers keep them alive.

Let's look at England's defenders:
Sol Campbell, Ferdinand, Terry, Neville, Cole... The list goes on my friend... You cannot say Euro teams have poor defence.

Granted... Brazil has the one-man-wall known as Roberto Carlos that could eaily dispose of 2 attackers at once... But Euro teams have just as good defenders as Brazil or Argentina.

Brazil wins because they can basically produce from the forwards... If they weren't goal-scoring machines, then they would have only won maybe 1 world cup.

This current englant team is the closest thing to brazil this year undeniable quality running through the heart of the team....terry ferdinand lampard, gerrard, rooney, owen....not to mention that beckham is firing on all cylinders like the good old days for united and also joe cole has forced his way into the chelsea starting line up, if england played to their stregnths...which i beleive to be more attack minded rather then this defensive mind set sven has ground into the team i think we can expect big things this summer and whos the one who ignorred owen up front?? Argentina made the same mistake and he popped up with two goals in 5 minutes! Brazil has amazing players better then england but a well organised european side or argentina could break it down also dont forget that teams like Italy, Holland and Spain are producing some top class players I think this will be the best world cup in a long time so many good teams

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[inyourworld]

maybe close to brazil b team with fred, alex de souza, cicinho, gilberto silva, juninho pernambucano, robinho or adriano
LOL are you taking the piss?? Iv just watched arsenal quite literally humiliate Cicinho and Robinho they were chasing shadows all night this comment makes me laugh how people can mention Robinho in the same breath as rooney

[ricoo9]

LOL are you taking the piss?? Iv just watched arsenal quite literally humiliate Cicinho and Robinho they were chasing shadows all night this comment makes me laugh how people can mention Robinho in the same breath as rooney


Ur right, Madrid played so mediocre, I cant believe with all the money they used buying brazilians they couldnt beat the worst arsenal team in a long time and they played in madrid wtf!

[RaulMadrid7]

Ur right, Madrid played so mediocre, I cant believe with all the money they used buying brazilians they couldnt beat the worst arsenal team in a long time and they played in madrid wtf!

Arsenal - Real game today was pathetic.

Management is garbage, ever since Perez came in he has made so many mistakes.

I've discussed this before.

[Anti-Madridista]

European without a doubt. In SA you play the same teams which only consist of 9!!! I read somewhere at the start of this thread that if you take out Brazil and Argentina you have 8 teams fighting for 2 places, well in some european groups you have 7 teams fighting for 1 automatic place!!!!

[inyourworld]

Arsenal - Real game today was pathetic.

Management is garbage, ever since Perez came in he has made so many mistakes.

I've discussed this before.

ID probably say Real severely underestimated Arsenal, lets not forget that 2 seasons ago it was arsenal who were playing the best football in the world and didnt lose a league game all season and beat Inter 1-5 at the san siro! The only reason why they find themselves in such a poor league position today is because they have been found out...they arnt up to a phsical challenge and real didnt give them one and allowed arsenal to play their football and the ease at which they carved open madrid time after time was breathtaking...cant see any reason why henry would want to move to spain on this evidence

[Xikunahity]

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[inyourworld]

i see your case, ppl like you make comparisons the way it suits them better

'robinho sucked last game, see? how can he be good?'

ahaha...rooney...lets see whos gonna be bigger in a long run, pal

english football is hype
rooney is hype

brasilan C team won last copa america against mighty argentina, when was the last time english football won something. Lift a trophy and come back here. Dont come with the crap your sports commentators tell you, because when i talked with englishmen about football, not with words but with a ball at our feet, they got shut up, no point about their 'best football', only blah, blah

Rooney is hype?? hes the best player at manchester united by head and shoulders, Hes the most important player in the english national team hes scored goals at evry level you fool, champions league, euro2004, premiership i will put my life on rooney being a bigger footballer in the long run...iv seen robinho play many times and have been dissapointed many times one word applies to him..hype! look at rooney and messi young players who are actualyl shining no hype just pure ability what has robinho done?? Id have peter crouch ahead of him!

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[inyourworld]

i see your case...

2 times bra champ
confed champ
SA wc qualifying champ

what has rooney done?
what is to be the best english nt player and manchester player?

and what is to be a rival in brazilian squad (arguably one of the best of all times) against ronaldo and adriano?

Im not denying that this Brazil team is the best in the world what i am denying is that Robinho is the player which makes them the best, rooney is a better footballer then Robinho. Robinho happens to be in a team with ronaldinho...take ronaldinho away from Brazil and england have a better starting 11 it would be intresting to see how brazil do if he does get injured. Robinho wouldnt get in the england team, rooney would get in the brazil team!

[Xikunahity]

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[inyourworld]

naaaaah, still think brasilian benched team may be better

im not sure of that cause f*cking parreira thinks a guy like alex can be out of it

dude, we have kaka, get that? he is our most important player
your just ignorant... i respect that brazil has amazing players but your just blind to what england has is steven gerrard not one of the best midfielders in the world? and id david beckham not madrids best midfielder? and i dont think i need to say any more on rooney

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[inyourworld]

You think that brazils benched team is better then the starting 11 of its nearest rival hmmm you cant see past the end of your own nose if brazil is that good then they will win this world cup without having to think you dont even need to consider the fact that spain england holland argentina have there strongest teams in a looong time you will come undone

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[Pfeife]

Rooney is hype?? hes the best player at manchester united by head and shoulders

As a neutral spectator, I would say that van Nistelroij is much more important to Manu than Rooney.

[inyourworld]

As a neutral spectator, I would say that van Nistelroij is much more important to Manu than Rooney.
I disagree maybe in past seasons but now the new team is being built around rooney

[eLargetino77]

[/QUOTE]brasilan C team won last copa america against mighty argentina, when was the last time english football won something. Lift a trophy and come back here. Dont come with the crap your sports commentators tell you, because when i talked with englishmen about football, not with words but with a ball at our feet, they got shut up, no point about their 'best football', only blah, blah[/QUOTE]


WHOA....correction brazil got lucky against mighty argentinas b team..and that wasnt a c them that was your b team so dont get lifted brazil and argentina together have 7 worldcups plus the 1st wc in uruguay in total south america has 8 world cups club wise ac milan real madrid boca jrs and idependete (both from argentina) have the same amount of international cup...and South america is better because almost every euro team has SA players the other day inter had 7 or 8 SA players madrid is mostly SA players the back bone of Barca is mesii eto and dihno all non euro ... and for english soccer.. plz its GARBAGE!!!!!! its a joke i cant stand it they suck the passion and fun out of the game to much talk talk talk i think england is good but not great not better den argentina or brazil there b status.... let me explain..

Argentina and Brazil are on a futbol level of there own...only 1 team in the world can beat a well armed focused and prepared brazil and thats argentina and only brazil can destroy argentina when were at our best...

[eLargetino77]

rooney is a hype like milito now hes a hype .. he still hasnt proven anything ronaldo proved alot and i disagree about robhino..he is not a hype!!! hes garbage please he should retire madrid wasted there money they should have bought tevez or kept owen

[eLargetino77]

and england isnt brazils nearest rivals please...its argentina

[inyourworld]

Id put england and argentiana on the same level all we have to go off is the friendly which produced amazing football and which showed two top class evenly matched teams and neither are as far behind brazil as people make out. Also how do u decide when a player has "proven" themselves?? do they have to win a worldcup? or a champions league? micheal owen has never won anything yet people would say he is proven

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[eLargetino77]

haha no but reali no disrespect my SA brother but i cant stand robhino idk why just his style but he dominated brazil just like teves is now so there pretty alike in skill and ect.

[eLargetino77]

owen has ben around for a while he's scored some of the nicest goales iv seen and he scored the 3rd best goal in the wc against argrentina in 1998..owen has ben around the block a few times rooney teves robhino santa cruz adriano milito there good player hell great players 1st class players but they havent proven anything yet teves and rooney about the rest tevez at the olympics and rooney all his growth so far but yet netha of them have came to age and experience and havnt unlocked there full potential crespo ronaldo we'v all seen them at there best and worst we'v seen them win stuff and loose stuff and b important factors of there teams..i have no doubt theese young players are gonna b proven but we dont kno when mayb this summer maybe in 2010 who knows

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[inyourworld]

wait a minute...

im owen fan, since this goal in 98, and not cause it was against argientina

when madrid sold him, i just thought: idiots
Exactly they try to build a new team and the only decent signing they do make ..owen... they go and seel he was a bargain aswell and had a better strike rate then anyone else biggest mistake they made to sell him

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[inyourworld]

as big as putting batista as striker, he cant, his scared expression shows it
yea i just think real generally need to get themselves sorted out they are soo slow there is no movement from anyone its in at feet or nothing i was shocked by the arsenal game i expected so much more theyv got big problems

[eLargetino77]

real is a perfect example of how on paper a team can look great but on the field there garbage..i wud hate for riquelme to go there after the world cup...they need to make some seriuce changes and stop buyin "the best" they need to buy what they need

[inyourworld]

Yea hes a top class player is he still at villareal?? i hadnt really heard much of him till recently im suprised hes not been taken somewere bigger eralier hes not exactly young is he but he looked like argentinas best player against england

[eLargetino77]

jea he is da best argentinan player at da moment

[SE7E]

LOL are you taking the piss?? Iv just watched arsenal quite literally humiliate Cicinho and Robinho they were chasing shadows all night this comment makes me laugh how people can mention Robinho in the same breath as rooneyDon't forget that not even a single Arsenal's player on the field was British.

[nachi88]

Don't forget that not even a single Arsenal's player on the field was British.

Yes, no Britisher played against Real Madrid.Asgley Cole is a good English player, but he was out due to inury. But Fabregas and Hleb played really good, and Real just couldnt match up in the midfield department.

[eLargetino77]

madrid is the stupidest team iv ever seem they should sell all the players n play with there reserves and next season buy a new 11

[NAHUEL]

well i think all you suck ass

[SE7E]

well i think all you suck assLike you???

[tdr]

Its easier to qualify in uefa because there are 8 or 9 groups, where in South America there is one.

[tdr]

European teams are better.

[R10 Rules]

Brazil and Argentina have to fight every time against all the Europe.There are at least 8 great teams there.Considering that only BRA or ARG from South America have chances in a WC,Europe is stronger comparing both.

[Orgulho Judeu]

well...9-8 thats about it...

[handofgod]

Well it's hard to determine given both are the best really. This rivalry kees soccer alive.
The other parts of the world just keep being pretenders (read: Mexico for instance).
I'm glad the name of the thread only points South America, the rest of the Americas are inferior except for the US.

[Orgulho Judeu]

Well it's hard to determine given both are the best really. This rivalry kees soccer alive.
The other parts of the world just keep being pretenders (read: Mexico for instance).
I'm glad the name of the thread only points South America, the rest of the Americas are inferior except for the US.
you are the only inferior thing that im aware of besides rico9:boo:

[ricoo9]

you are the only inferior thing that im aware of besides rico9:boo:

Dont u have anything intelligent to say ever? all I hear from u is stupidities like Paraguay #4 contender for the wc or u r a half argentine/paraguayan brazilian quarter chinese and jewish...who tf r u trying to kid? or else ur all over mexicos nuts... wtf? really dude, get laid or do some shit with ur life...u r really pathetic man :boo:

[Dutchfan]

Dont u have anything intelligent to say ever? all I hear from u is stupidities like Paraguay #4 contender for the wc or u r a half argentine/paraguayan brazilian quarter chinese and jewish...who tf r u trying to kid? or else ur all over mexicos nuts... wtf? really dude, get laid or do some shit with ur life...u r really pathetic man :boo:That idiot wouldn't know "intelligent" if it jumped up and bit him. He's really made meaningful contributions to, and made reading pleasant for so many others on, SFN. NOT!!! My advice would be to put him in your "ignore" list since he has NOTHING to contribute that has any meaning for anyone of any intelligence, anyway.

[Ronni]

Brazil and Argentina have to fight every time against all the Europe.There are at least 8 great teams there.Considering that only BRA or ARG from South America have chances in a WC,Europe is stronger comparing both.

Eight?
Let's not exaggerate.
At the level of Brazil and Argentina I'd say not more than 4.
And still I would hesitate on putting England and France besides Brazil on such a comparison. They may even be stronger every now and then, but on consistency ... no comments. And I'm not just talking about results in a World Cup, but really on presenting talented players.

Considering the World Cup history, take only these 2 vs. 4 and you get 7-8 titles, 11-14 finals, 14-23 semis - what statistically seen is a tie.

We shouldn't forget that in live-or-die tournaments the mass makes up the numbers, and in this point of course Europe will always get better results, since they have 5 times as many members as South America.

[cedpo]

I think it's about the same. Same level. Europe has more good teams and more medium-level teams, but has more qualifying spots. South America has NO weak teams. Everyone is able to beat Brazil playing at their homes, for instance. Many teams in Europe would NEVER beat Italy, Germany, England, France...

So I voted for South America as harder, but almost a tie.

[mikimbinx]

esto me parace un buen debate, europa vs. s. america. yo tendria q decir q es mas dificil jugar en sudamerica pk to's los ekipos estan parejos, nunca se sabe, hasta venezuela sorprendio a colombia jugando de visitante 0-1...algo q no se veria en europa. en realidad es algo injusto no ver mas ekipos clasificar.

[malaysian]

so obvious tat south american is better.. europe got money but the worlds best players dun come from europe.. SA r much stronger..

........................dida...........................
..cafu.......ayala.........samuel....carlos.....
..messi.....riquelme...kaka.....ronaldinho....
..............ronaldo.....tevez....................

subs:adriano,augerro,cambiaso...

itz unbeatabel...juz lyk epl cant beat spanish n italians

[DiStefano]

so obvious tat south american is better.. europe got money but the worlds best players dun come from europe.. SA r much stronger..

........................dida...........................
..cafu.......ayala.........samuel....carlos.....
..messi.....riquelme...kaka.....ronaldinho....
..............ronaldo.....tevez....................

subs:adriano,augerro,cambiaso...

itz unbeatabel...juz lyk epl cant beat spanish n italians


Nice team there...I would pay to see that line up......Now compare that with wht Europe can through at you...It's so fascianting to me that just these two countries continue to produce palyers of this calibre.....amazing....

[SE7E]

Nice team there...I would pay to see that line up......Now compare that with wht Europe can through at you...It's so fascianting to me that just these two countries continue to produce palyers of this calibre.....amazing....When it comes to top notch quality footballers Brazil and Argentina simply RULE!!!

[pisulino]

Well it's hard to determine given both are the best really. This rivalry kees soccer alive.
The other parts of the world just keep being pretenders (read: Mexico for instance).
I'm glad the name of the thread only points South America, the rest of the Americas are inferior except for the US.

What is wrong with you?
There is good football in SouthAmerica and they are not inferior, the problem is that you are an ignorant.
And stop insulting Mexico, they have made lots of progress in the last 10-15 years.

[stoopidbrasuca]

clubs: Europe
WC: South America

it depends which is more important to you really. Persoanlly, im from South America...so you knwo what i think.

[Maxpayne]

Europe

S.America has no chanse. Well Argentina's and Brasil league are only 2 top ons, compared To German, England,France, Spain, Italian, Scotland, Russian and other top leagues in Europe.

[DiStefano]

Europe

S.America has no chanse. Well Argentina's and Brasil league are only 2 top ons, compared To German, England,France, Spain, Italian, Scotland, Russian and other top leagues in Europe.

And just who do you think makes the Euro teams better? Argentina and Brazil are "factories" when it comes to producing top level talent. Just these two countries can field 2 or 3 national teams and be competitive...NO OTHER NATION can boast that.....the irony is too much for words....

[DiStefano]

When it comes to top notch quality footballers Brazil and Argentina simply RULE!!!

AMEN!!!

[BRISTOLUK]

Argentina and Brazil are "factories" when it comes to producing top level talent. Just these two countries can field 2 or 3 national teams and be competitive...NO OTHER NATION can boast that.

I thought 'boasting' was something only the arrogant English did.

[stoopidbrasuca]

I thought 'boasting' was something only the arrogant English did.
no no no...its jus like football...England invented it, Brasil perfected it, Argentina got in trouble for cheating.

[caruiz93]

well there is way more countries in europe.there is loads and loads of countries.bad good and mediocre.

[futbolpasion]

s america:(8) Argentina,Chile,Colombia,Peru,uruguay,Paraguay,bolivia,Brazil
europe:(26)Portugal,Spain,Germany,Italy,France.England,Netherlands,Sweden,Norway,Denmark,Poland,Czec h Republic,Croatia,Turkey,yugoslavia (now s&M),
Hungary,romania,wales,USSr (now russia),switzerland,Austria,Belgium,ddr
Ireland,Nthrn Ireland,Bulgaria (second round)

s america:(6) Argentina,Chile,Peru,uruguay,bolivia,Brazil
europe:(25) Portugal,Spain,Germany,Italy,France.England,Netherlands,Sweden,,Denmark,Poland,Czech Republic,Croatia,Turkey,yugoslavia (now s&M),ddr
Hungary,romania,wales,USSr (now russia),switzerland,Austria,Belgium,
Ireland,Nthrn Ireland,Bulgaria (qf)

s america:(4) Argentina,Chile,uruguay,Brazil
europe:(18)Portugal,Spain,Germany,Italy,France.England,Netherlands,Sweden,,Poland,Czech Republic,Croatia,Turkey,yugoslavia (now s&M),Hungary,USSr (now russia),Austria,Belgium,Bulgaria (sf)

s america:(3) Argentina,uruguay,Brazil
europe:(8)Germany,Italy,France.England,Netherlands,Sweden,Czech,Hungary, (f)

s america:(3) Argentina,uruguay,Brazil
europe:(4)Germany,Italy,France.England (winners)

5 = Brazil
3 = Germany,Italy
2 = Argentina,Uruguay
1 = France,England

9 = South America
9 = Europe

[SE7E]

5 = Brazil
3 = Germany,Italy
2 = Argentina,Uruguay
1 = France,England

9 = South America
9 = Europe
Europe won 8 WC's bro, not 9...

[BlueArsedFly]

it wouldnt matter if you had 10 south american teams in the finals, the only 2 that would have any chance whatsoever are brazil & argentina wheras there are always 5-6 teams from europe that have a chance. After brazil & argentina the standard drops faster than a brazilian whores knickers.

[Chileno]

Ecuador 2:0 Poland

S.America: 1 Europe: 0

[ovtni]

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[elingles]

The european teams, and many different ones, are continuously dominating the other South American teams, minus brazil and argentina, in the last 30 years in WC play. Not my opinion. Just a fact.

Ecuador 2 - Poland 0

[BlueArsedFly]

Ecuador 2 - Poland 0

one result

lets have a look at more than 1 result:

results from world cup finals between europe & south america without brazil & argentina- last 3 competitions

EUROPE won 9 Lost 3 Drawn 5

the facts show that after brazil & argentina the standard drops like a stone in water.

[Calundanni]

And just who do you think makes the Euro teams better? Argentina and Brazil are "factories" when it comes to producing top level talent. Just these two countries can field 2 or 3 national teams and be competitive...NO OTHER NATION can boast that.....the irony is too much for words....

Many SA players are nothing without the european players.... Most of the time they have difficulties with adjusting to the game, 'cos its faster, stronger and more tactical. SA players are build in Europe. The fact that most of the SA players are playing in European clubs says it all. Look at Italy, Spain, England, Germany, Portugal, most of the players on their national teams plays in the domestic league, if SA players were just playing in their own domestic leagues, they wouldn't be as competitive as they are today.

Another thing, most of the average national teams in Europe have players who plays on a high level in big Euro clubs, thus making small European countries much stronger than you would think. People always underestimate the small Euro countries, but fact is, they always manage to play a long side with the big Euro national teams, which makes it a lot harder to qualify for the WC over here.

SA has a lot of talent (of course), but the talent are being developed in Europe. So next time your SA national team are making great results, send a BIG ASS thank you to the top European clubs, without them SA football would be average. :crazy:

[I.luv_Barcelona]

I think it's more competitive in Europe

[stoopidbrasuca]

SA has less teams in each cup yes somehow has more world cups, european leagues get most of their stars from SA...SA all the way!

[BlueArsedFly]

SA has less teams in each cup yes somehow has more world cups, european leagues get most of their stars from SA...SA all the way!

south america has only brazil & argentina - the rest are shit

18 of the last 24 semi finalists are european

name me these stars in the english premiership

[Chileno]

Ecuador: 2 (second time in WC) - Poland: 0
England: 1 (autogoal) - Paraguay 0
Sweden: 1 - Paraguay: 0
Argentina: 6 - Serbia&Montenegro (least conceded goals in Euro quali): 0
Brazil: 1 - Croatia: 0

S.America: 3
Europe: 2

Yes, Brazil and Argentina are above the rest in S. America, but would it be any different in Europe? There is no European team capable of producing talented players in the numbers Argentina and Brazil do. NONE. (Germany and Italy are close seconds)

France and Ingland were good playing at home. If S.American nations like Ecuador, Uruguay, Chile, Colombia, had the resources to put up a WC I wouldn't be surprised if they reach semis or even win the thing. Uruguay won when they hosted it and Chile got a well deserved 3rd place when they hosted it. I can't wait for the WC to come back to S.America, I would love to see Europeans choking for air in the hight of Quito or La Paz.

[SE7E]

south america has only brazil & argentina - the rest are shit

18 of the last 24 semi finalists are european

name me these stars in the english premiershipAre you one of those who think that EPL is better than La Liga and Serie A? Even Bundesliga is better than EPL!

[BRISTOLUK]

England is playing the worst football I've ever seen from the team over so many games.
Yet, shockingly poor performances have just seen off the 3rd and 4th best teams in South America.

It does seem to confirm that Argentina and Brazil may be all SA has to offer at the top level when a poor England can beat the next best in tournament games.

[BlueArsedFly]

Ecuador: 2 (second time in WC) - Poland: 0
England: 1 (autogoal) - Paraguay 0
Sweden: 1 - Paraguay: 0
Argentina: 6 - Serbia&Montenegro (least conceded goals in Euro quali): 0
Brazil: 1 - Croatia: 0

S.America: 3
Europe: 2

Yes, Brazil and Argentina are above the rest in S. America, but would it be any different in Europe? There is no European team capable of producing talented players in the numbers Argentina and Brazil do. NONE. (Germany and Italy are close seconds)


Germany & Italy ????????

No SA team asises brazil & argentina has even reached the Quarter finals in any of the last 6 World Cups including this one.

[BlueArsedFly]

Are you one of those who think that EPL is better than La Liga and Serie A? Even Bundesliga is better than EPL!

Not even many germans would agree with that

this is how many quarter finalists each country has produced in the last 6 champions league -
Spain 12 England 10 Italy 10 Germany 3

and semi finalists
Spain 9 England 7 Italy 5 Germany 2

[kingkong]

it wouldnt matter if you had 10 south american teams in the finals, the only 2 that would have any chance whatsoever are brazil & argentina wheras there are always 5-6 teams from europe that have a chance. After brazil & argentina the standard drops faster than a brazilian whores knickers.




:mad2: Brazil stuck in your Saxon throat, buddy? :ronaldo:...

SouthAmerica at least has countries with real long-term historical names...

Your European countries though are the ones that display those typical and temporary whore's "war" names:


"...Czech Republic, Croatia, Turkey, Yugoslavia (now S&M), Hungary, Romania, Wales, USSR (now Russia), Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, ddr, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria (second round)"..."

(just check your fellow FUTBALPASION list of European soccer "superpowers" above...)

Many of them are not even real countries!...

And he still forgot Bosnia, Eslovenia, Finland, Letonia, Estonia, Malta, Faroe Islands, old "girl" Prussia (doesn't exist anymore, but who cares?), and, of course, blonde, sexy and enchanting :heart: Liechentxzchjwh&%nstein...

However...they never "come"!!!: their Southamerican fellows are the only who happilly get to the "finals"!...


Yeah, man, you do need more "room" for those pathetic "cuties" of yours in the "brothel"!!!...

:ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: ...

[Sabbatasso]

Although it's true that south america is 80 % Brazil and Argentina, you have to take into account that the amount and size of countries in South America cannot compare to that of Europe. By virtue of size, Europe is superior. And yet, South America has managed to win the same amount of World Cups, and it's not fair to speak of the club level, as none of those champion European clubs would be worth anything without their Latin American players. So Europe is superior in size and often in physical strength and tactical ability, but South America is FAR superior in talent and skill.

Although it's true that European leagues are superior, (due largely to greater monetary power, nothing else) there are few European champions who don't count on a Latin star to make the difference and add that quota of "magic" (which is usually what makes the difference)

[Sabbatasso]

OH... and as far as the comment about the brazilian whore's knickers... BlueArsedFly, you British? Sounds like the rhetoric of a hooligan.

[BlueArsedFly]

i only mentioned club sides in connection with the comment that the german league was superior to the english league. It has no bearing on national team strength.

I do think you are over estimating the influence of south american players though- the english league has very few and it as the stats show english teams perform very well in the champions league.

As far as south american national teams go, the stats again speak for themselves. No other country apart from brazil & argentina has produced even a single quarter finalist in the last 6 world cups ince the knock out 2nd phase was reintroduced. Europe has a core of England, Germany, Holland, Italy, Spain & France all of which are significantly stronger than the 3rd best in south america.

Ecuador & Paraguay finished 3rd & 4th in SA qualifying - even england playing badly was enough to beat both of them. The team that finished 5th, Uruguauy, couldnt beat australia over 2 legs.

[emode]

South American countries got my vote anytime

[Chileno]

As far as south american national teams go, the stats again speak for themselves. No other country apart from brazil & argentina has produced even a single quarter finalist in the last 6 world cups ince the knock out 2nd phase was reintroduced. Europe has a core of England, Germany, Holland, Italy, Spain & France all of which are significantly stronger than the 3rd best in south america.


That is a stupid stat, obviously Europe is a bigger continent in both population and nations. They have more powerhouses, but they never meet in the qualies! SA has only two powerhouses and you want to exclude them from your stats, besides, of the last 6 WC how many have been played in europe and how many have been played in SA?

When you want to compare SA with Europe you have to compare powerhouses with powerhouses and regular teams with reguler teams. I would say weak teams with weak teams but in the last few years SA doesnt have fully weak teams anymore. Even Venezuela gives a decent fight, Bolivia is currently the poorest in performance but at the hight of La Paz anything can happen. In Conmebol only 1 nation has never made it to the WC.

In Europe, on the other hand, there are several nations that have football skills in line with those of the small Concacaf nations. But then again that would be an unfair comparison from my part because as mentioned before, Europe is a bigger continent with more nations and as a result has more powerhouses but also many more poor teams.

Looking at the qualies in both continents and considering European powerhouses never meet I can easily say SA is the most competitive. Imagine an European quali group like this with only 4 1/2 slots. I tried to make a very rough comparison.

Germany (Brazil) --> On neutral ground Brazil is better.
Italy (Argentina) --> Argies are better right now, but its the closest I could find.
Switzerland (Paraguay) --> These two are about not conceding, one had an easier group.
Croatia (Ecuador) --> Ecuador had an easier group but they are roughly the same. Croatia has more history though, Ecuador are only starting theirs.
France (Uruguay) --> Sure they only 'just' lost to the Aussies but look how australia played in this WC. (and look how France have played..)
Poland (Colombia) --> Colombia won their last match 0-2... in Poland.
Sweden (Chile) --> Last match between these two about a month ago was a 1-1 draw in Sweden with full teams. Chile has a 3rd place in WC, I think Sweden too?
Ukraine (Venezuela) Ukraine has had a lucky draw so far in WC, for me they aren't much better than Venezuela.
Ireland (Peru)
Greece (Bolivia) --> Greece once won the Eurocup, Bolivia once won Copa America. Greece is the better team because they dont rely on altitude.

[SE7E]

That is a stupid stat, obviously Europe is a bigger continent in both population and nations. They have more powerhouses, but they never meet in the qualies! SA has only two powerhouses and you want to exclude them from your stats, besides, of the last 6 WC how many have been played in europe and how many have been played in SA?

When you want to compare SA with Europe you have to compare powerhouses with powerhouses and regular teams with reguler teams. I would say weak teams with weak teams but in the last few years SA doesnt have fully weak teams anymore. Even Venezuela gives a decent fight, Bolivia is currently the poorest in performance but at the hight of La Paz anything can happen. In Conmebol only 1 nation has never made it to the WC.

In Europe, on the other hand, there are several nations that have football skills in line with those of the small Concacaf nations. But then again that would be an unfair comparison from my part because as mentioned before, Europe is a bigger continent with more nations and as a result has more powerhouses but also many more poor teams.

Looking at the qualies in both continents and considering European powerhouses never meet I can easily say SA is the most competitive. Imagine an European quali group like this with only 4 1/2 slots. I tried to make a very rough comparison.

Germany (Brazil) --> On neutral ground Brazil is better.
Italy (Argentina) --> Argies are better right now, but its the closest I could find.
Switzerland (Paraguay) --> These two are about not conceding, one had an easier group.
Croatia (Ecuador) --> Ecuador had an easier group but they are roughly the same. Croatia has more history though, Ecuador are only starting theirs.
France (Uruguay) --> Sure they only 'just' lost to the Aussies but look how australia played in this WC. (and look how France have played..)
Poland (Colombia) --> Colombia won their last match 0-2... in Poland.
Sweden (Chile) --> Last match between these two about a month ago was a 1-1 draw in Sweden with full teams. Chile has a 3rd place in WC, I think Sweden too?
Ukraine (Venezuela) Ukraine has had a lucky draw so far in WC, for me they aren't much better than Venezuela.
Ireland (Peru)
Greece (Bolivia) --> Greece once won the Eurocup, Bolivia once won Copa America. Greece is the better team because they dont rely on altitude.Very good post... Just don't know about Ukraine and Venezuela.

[BlueArsedFly]

:mad2: Brazil stuck in your Saxon throat, buddy? :ronaldo:...

SouthAmerica at least has countries with real long-term historical names...

Your European countries though are the ones that display those typical and temporary whore's "war" names:


"...Czech Republic, Croatia, Turkey, Yugoslavia (now S&M), Hungary, Romania, Wales, USSR (now Russia), Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, ddr, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Bulgaria (second round)"..."

(just check your fellow FUTBALPASION list of European soccer "superpowers" above...)

Many of them are not even real countries!...

And he still forgot Bosnia, Eslovenia, Finland, Letonia, Estonia, Malta, Faroe Islands, old "girl" Prussia (doesn't exist anymore, but who cares?), and, of course, blonde, sexy and enchanting :heart: Liechentxzchjwh&%nstein...

However...they never "come"!!!: their Southamerican fellows are the only who happilly get to the "finals"!...


Yeah, man, you do need more "room" for those pathetic "cuties" of yours in the "brothel"!!!...

:ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: :ronaldo: ...


had a bad day?

[BlueArsedFly]

That is a stupid stat, obviously Europe is a bigger continent in both population and nations. They have more powerhouses, but they never meet in the qualies! SA has only two powerhouses and you want to exclude them from your stats, besides, of the last 6 WC how many have been played in europe and how many have been played in SA?


My point was that south america never has any teams capable of even getting to the quarter finals apart from brazil & argentina so its a very valid stat. The fact that all south american teams play in one group doesnt really matter as you get 4 or 5 qualifiers from it wheras only 1 or 2 qualify from european groups.

As for population, brazil has roughly the same population than any of the 3main european powers combined but so what?

[BRISTOLUK]

Europe is a bigger continent with more nations and as a result has more powerhouses but also many more poor teams.
For Powerhouse, read 'good' or 'strong' team. So this does suggest that Europe has more good teams. Having more 'weak' teams doesn't make more good teams less.
Looking at the qualies in both continents and considering European powerhouses never meet I can easily say SA is the most competitive.
Powerhouse/good teams never meet? Last WC Germany needed a play off because they were in a group with England and only one qualified automatically. Ditto 1998 when Italy needed a play off, again from being bested by England. Teams like Holland have missed out because of the strength of opposition in qualifying groups where one mistake can mean not qualifying.
I agree the top two in a Euro group may never be comparable to Brazil v Argentina. But even if one of those SA teams loses to the other home AND away, it's NOT going to knock them out of the WC is it. Just one defeat in a Euro qualifier IS likely to send a team into oblivion for maybe another four years. As if that wasn't bad enough, it actually hinders the development of players because they miss out on a WC.

You are absolutely correct to say SA qualifying is more competitive.
The problem in Europe is too many countries (of average and above ability) to have large groups. But if, for example, you offered Germany, England, Portugal, Greece and Sweden and then Italy, Spain, Holland, Turkey and France a large qualifying group each where they could lose 3 or 4 games but still qualify from coming fourth or get a play off against New Zealand for coming fifth....well I'm sure they'd snatch that offer from your hand.:)

Every WC cycle there will be a Greece or a Denmark or a Romania or some other Nation who is graced by a crop of very good players coming through at the same time. And just one slip-up in qualifying will exclude a Holland or a Portugal or England (stop cheering you at the back!!). Brazil and Argentina can never be in danger in the same way.

Your 'qualifying group' for Europe was very interesting. But try reversing your idea. But to make it equate to Europe in terms of numbers, it's CONCACAF and CONMEBOL.
So you have groups like
Brazil, Uruguay, USA, Cuba, Guatemala and Bermuda.
Argentina, Colombia, Peru, Costa Rica, Haiti and Nicaragua
Ecuador, Chile, Paraguay, Honduras, Canada and St Lucia
Mexico, Venezuela, Jamaica, T&T, El Salvador and Grenada.

So, as in Europe each group contains poor NTs. But also as in Europe, there are one or two teams capable of shocking the big boys and there is only one WC place for the group winners, while some (not all) of the runners up play off.

So a slip by Brazil or Argentina or bad refereeing decision or the occasional very good Uruguay/Colombia/Chile team and WHAMMO! Suddenly Argentina does a Holland or Greece and finishes third behind TWO teams who both came good or they finish second but have a play off against Brazil who also had a tough draw.

I'm not arguing here, just putting forward some realities. In fact I've realised some things just from thinking about this while typing.

Argentina and Brazil do have more competitive games to keep them on their toes. They'll never miss out on qualification. Their players will always have that WC 'education' and experience.
In Europe, all top teams risk missing out once in a while with players losing the education and the top teams aren't given as many competitive matches throughout qualifying.

It's no wonder Brazil and Argentina can match or surpass the whole of Europe between the two of them.

Of course the great players they produce comes into it too. :)

[BRISTOLUK]

It's no wonder Brazil and Argentina can match or surpass the whole of Europe between the two of them.

Perhaps I was a little hasty there:shocked:

[philipas]

Yes you were. South American teams not even in the semi's. Europe too good. :p

[Chileno]

Yes you were. South American teams not even in the semi's. Europe too good. :p

...in europe.

EDIT: Although my heart is with France it is very likely Germany will win (like I predicted). If Italy dont stop them they will win. Portugal will choke and the French fear the Germans...

[BlueArsedFly]

...in europe.


most of the south american players play in europe so there is no excuse. It actually makes it a fair contest

[Chileno]

I was actually refering to fan numbers.

Fair contest was USA, Korea/Japan (refs spoiled this one), Mexico and next...S.Africa... I hope Chile makes it to that one...

[caruiz93]

in proportion it is equal.i europe has more powerhouses but they have way more countries. and south america has 2 powerhouses and they have sorry terams like venezuela and peru.

[kingkong]

Alright, let's get to voting..



This is strickly for National teams.





Europe: Heart of football.


South America: Always strong at football, passionate supporters, football legacy.






So, the question is in which continent is it easier to qualify to the World Cup?



PS: I know you're all going to say Europe is harder, but think of this. The best players of South America play in Europe. They have to travel back to South America for every single game, without having much time to practice or relax. Right after the game, they have to go back to Europe to play league games.



South America or Europe?



Vote, and give reasons ;)


EUROPE -1) QUANTITATIVELY (MORE COMPETTIVE LEAGUES, MORE WEALTHY CLUBS, MORE IMPORTED PLAYERS) ; 2) AND ONLY THEN QUALITATIVELY (AS FAR AS THEIR NATIONALS)

SA -1) QUALITATIVELY (AS FAR AS TOP CLUBS EVER AND INDIVIDUAL NATIONAL PLAYERS); 2) AND ONLY THEN QUANTITAVELY (FEWER TOP CLUBS, FEWER COMPETITIVE LEAGUES, FEWER IMPORTED STARS)

I) FOR A COMPARISON (TOP QUALITY PLAYERS):

SA = FILLOL CARLOS ALBERTO DJALMA SANTOS LEANDRO DOMINGOS DA GUIA PASARELLA NILTON SANTOS ROBERTO CARLOS JÚNIOR DIDI ZITO TOSTÃO ZICO SÓCRATES FALCÃO GÉRSON ZIZINHO ARDILES DI STÉFANO SÍVORI GARRINCHA JÚLIO BOTELHO JAIRZINHO MARADONA CUBILLAS TOSTÃO RONALDO PEDERNERA LEÔNIDAS LABRUNA LOSTAU R. GAÚCHO SASTRE SCHIAFFINO VAVÁ RIVELINO PELÉ AND MANY AND MANY OTHERS

VS

EUROPE = YASHIN ZAMORA RAMALLETS GROCSIS BOBBY CHARLTON BARESI JACKIE CHARLTON BOBBY MOORE TRAPATTONI BECKENBAUER BAGGIO CRUYJFF KOPA GIGI RIVA BOSZIC PLATINI STANLEY MATHEWS FONTAINE MÜLLER ZIDANE PUSKAS BEST EUSÉBIO, AND NOT TOO MANY MORE...

- SOUTH AMERICA WINS

II) FOR A COMPARISON (TOP WORLD CLUBS):

SA = SANTOS BOTAFOGO CRUZEIRO SÃO PAULO FLAMENGO BOCA JUNIORS RIVER PLATE ESTUDIANTES, A FEW OTHERS AND...THAT'S IT!

EUROPE = REAL MADRID BARCELONA MILAN INTERNAZIONALE JUVENTUS NAPOLI AJAX PSV MANCHESTER UNITED LIVERPOOL CHELSEA ARSENAL BAYERN PSG MONACO PORTO HONVED BENFICA AND MANY OTHERS...

- EUROPE WINS

ALTHOUGH...TOP SA TEAMS - JUST A SMALL NUMBER - HISTORICALLY DISPLAYED BETTER QUALITY FOOTBALL ON THE FIELD THAN THEIR MORE NUMEROUS TOP EUROPEAN RIVALS (SANTOS X REAL MADRID, OR BOTAFOGO X BARCELONA - IN PELÉ AND GARRINCHA TIMES - FOR EXAMPLE...)

[caruiz93]

south america is more competitive.............

the onyl reason europe has more powerhouses is because of the number of countries in the continent. europe has many countries and south america.........not so many and combined they have won more world cups than europe combined.

[OCFP]

south america is more competitive.............

the onyl reason europe has more powerhouses is because of the number of countries in the continent. europe has many countries and south america.........not so many and combined they have won more world cups than europe combined.


It doesnt matter the number of countries. Europe teams win more, more and more European teams get to go. And besides the fact that ONLY Brazil and Argentina have a legit chance of passing the group stage, Europe is much stronger.

Look at the division this past qualifing of Greece, Turkey, Ukraine, and Denmark. 4 strong teams. The Ukraine was the only to qualify.

Ill put my money on any of those european teams against a SA team except for ARG and BRA. Ecuador in the WC happen to qualify bc they beat Poland. Trust me when i tell u poland is a much stronger country. Look how they played against the Germans. The same team that made Ecuador look like Pre-K.

[ItalianBoy]

south america is more competitive.............

the onyl reason europe has more powerhouses is because of the number of countries in the continent. europe has many countries and south america.........not so many and combined they have won more world cups than europe combined.
I suggest you learn geography before you speak football. Competitiveness has nothing to do with the number of countries but its all about the football you show and the players you got. Get a clue. European football is for now better. It is probably also because we are richer but one way or the other, it is better.

[Port Wine]

Competitiveness has nothing to do with the number of countries but its all about the football you show and the players you got.

I agree.

[benfica64]

EUROPE -1) QUANTITATIVELY (MORE COMPETTIVE LEAGUES, MORE WEALTHY CLUBS, MORE IMPORTED PLAYERS) ; 2) AND ONLY THEN QUALITATIVELY (AS FAR AS THEIR NATIONALS)

SA -1) QUALITATIVELY (AS FAR AS TOP CLUBS EVER AND INDIVIDUAL NATIONAL PLAYERS); 2) AND ONLY THEN QUANTITAVELY (FEWER TOP CLUBS, FEWER COMPETITIVE LEAGUES, FEWER IMPORTED STARS)

I) FOR A COMPARISON (TOP QUALITY PLAYERS):

SA = FILLOL CARLOS ALBERTO DJALMA SANTOS LEANDRO DOMINGOS DA GUIA PASARELLA NILTON SANTOS ROBERTO CARLOS JÚNIOR DIDI ZITO TOSTÃO ZICO SÓCRATES FALCÃO GÉRSON ZIZINHO ARDILES DI STÉFANO SÍVORI GARRINCHA JÚLIO BOTELHO JAIRZINHO MARADONA CUBILLAS TOSTÃO RONALDO PEDERNERA LEÔNIDAS LABRUNA LOSTAU R. GAÚCHO SASTRE SCHIAFFINO VAVÁ RIVELINO PELÉ AND MANY AND MANY OTHERS

VS

EUROPE = YASHIN ZAMORA RAMALLETS GROCSIS BOBBY CHARLTON BARESI JACKIE CHARLTON BOBBY MOORE TRAPATTONI BECKENBAUER BAGGIO CRUYJFF KOPA GIGI RIVA BOSZIC PLATINI STANLEY MATHEWS FONTAINE MÜLLER ZIDANE PUSKAS BEST EUSÉBIO, AND NOT TOO MANY MORE...

- SOUTH AMERICA WINS

II) FOR A COMPARISON (TOP WORLD CLUBS):

SA = SANTOS BOTAFOGO CRUZEIRO SÃO PAULO FLAMENGO BOCA JUNIORS RIVER PLATE ESTUDIANTES, A FEW OTHERS AND...THAT'S IT!

EUROPE = REAL MADRID BARCELONA MILAN INTERNAZIONALE JUVENTUS NAPOLI AJAX PSV MANCHESTER UNITED LIVERPOOL CHELSEA ARSENAL BAYERN PSG MONACO PORTO HONVED BENFICA AND MANY OTHERS...

- EUROPE WINS

ALTHOUGH...TOP SA TEAMS - JUST A SMALL NUMBER - HISTORICALLY DISPLAYED BETTER QUALITY FOOTBALL ON THE FIELD THAN THEIR MORE NUMEROUS TOP EUROPEAN RIVALS (SANTOS X REAL MADRID, OR BOTAFOGO X BARCELONA - IN PELÉ AND GARRINCHA TIMES - FOR EXAMPLE...) A very well thought out post. thanks for sharing.

[SE7E]

EUROPE -1) QUANTITATIVELY (MORE COMPETTIVE LEAGUES, MORE WEALTHY CLUBS, MORE IMPORTED PLAYERS) ; 2) AND ONLY THEN QUALITATIVELY (AS FAR AS THEIR NATIONALS)

SA -1) QUALITATIVELY (AS FAR AS TOP CLUBS EVER AND INDIVIDUAL NATIONAL PLAYERS); 2) AND ONLY THEN QUANTITAVELY (FEWER TOP CLUBS, FEWER COMPETITIVE LEAGUES, FEWER IMPORTED STARS)

I) FOR A COMPARISON (TOP QUALITY PLAYERS):

SA = FILLOL CARLOS ALBERTO DJALMA SANTOS LEANDRO DOMINGOS DA GUIA PASARELLA NILTON SANTOS ROBERTO CARLOS JÚNIOR DIDI ZITO TOSTÃO ZICO SÓCRATES FALCÃO GÉRSON ZIZINHO ARDILES DI STÉFANO SÍVORI GARRINCHA JÚLIO BOTELHO JAIRZINHO MARADONA CUBILLAS TOSTÃO RONALDO PEDERNERA LEÔNIDAS LABRUNA LOSTAU R. GAÚCHO SASTRE SCHIAFFINO VAVÁ RIVELINO PELÉ AND MANY AND MANY OTHERS

VS

EUROPE = YASHIN ZAMORA RAMALLETS GROCSIS BOBBY CHARLTON BARESI JACKIE CHARLTON BOBBY MOORE TRAPATTONI BECKENBAUER BAGGIO CRUYJFF KOPA GIGI RIVA BOSZIC PLATINI STANLEY MATHEWS FONTAINE MÜLLER ZIDANE PUSKAS BEST EUSÉBIO, AND NOT TOO MANY MORE...

- SOUTH AMERICA WINS

II) FOR A COMPARISON (TOP WORLD CLUBS):

SA = SANTOS BOTAFOGO CRUZEIRO SÃO PAULO FLAMENGO BOCA JUNIORS RIVER PLATE ESTUDIANTES, A FEW OTHERS AND...THAT'S IT!

EUROPE = REAL MADRID BARCELONA MILAN INTERNAZIONALE JUVENTUS NAPOLI AJAX PSV MANCHESTER UNITED LIVERPOOL CHELSEA ARSENAL BAYERN PSG MONACO PORTO HONVED BENFICA AND MANY OTHERS...

- EUROPE WINS

ALTHOUGH...TOP SA TEAMS - JUST A SMALL NUMBER - HISTORICALLY DISPLAYED BETTER QUALITY FOOTBALL ON THE FIELD THAN THEIR MORE NUMEROUS TOP EUROPEAN RIVALS (SANTOS X REAL MADRID, OR BOTAFOGO X BARCELONA - IN PELÉ AND GARRINCHA TIMES - FOR EXAMPLE...)Great post... explains everything!

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

Brazuca you are a joke. For starters, your qualifications are far easier simply because you get the same teams all the times. In Europe, we are seeded. Teams like San Marino get to fight against not just Croatia and Serbia, but with Italy, Spain, England, Germany, Holland, Portugal, and France and so on. Don’t make us laugh man, Bolivia tied Brazil and they are last in the group! The only two world class teams in your round are Argentina and Brazil. It is also the same teams over and over. We all know that they will qualify. Yet, explain to me how Ecuador can beat Brazil 3-0 and in the WC Italy beats them 2-0…so Italy is better than Brazil? Bolivia dominated Brazil…I said Bolivia, the last team in the group… PHULEEEEEEZE!

yeah thats true
england beat ecuador haha
but look at it this way, don't think that its only like germany, france, czech, england and those teams that are strong.. there are other strong strong teams that play, except they juts play as underdogs... if soccer teaches us anything, then its that anything can happen if you play with heart... especially every world cup when its on European soil.. a European team wins, Brazil is the only team to win and it was way way back.. Every other times the world cup was in Europe... A European team wins it.. Plus France always beats Brazil in the world cup :lol: ... Brazil didnt really impress me in the world cup as I thought that they would play... See what happens when you get a all-star team.. too many people on Ronaldinho and Ronaldo... That game against Croatia, Ronaldinho had nothing.. the defence was too strong and all the other teams they played... If you watched the #1 ranked team Brazil play France in the World Cup.. BRAZIL DIDNT HAVE LIKE 1 REAL SHOT/CHANCE ON GOAL... thats pretty sad coming from the best team in the world, so for me.. I have respect for S. American football but the id say European is better and tougher.. cuz its a mix every year, you get a new team and you have no idea how they play.. But in South America... no wonder some teams beat the top teams like Argentina and Brazil because it becomes boring and they figure the other teams out how they play cuz they have them all the time.. but Europe its always a mix, thats what is challenging about it, you have no idea how you're new opponents play

[manfan1523]

I think it is harder to qualify but the european teams are better

[BoSaNsKi DiJaMaNt]

I think it is harder to qualify but the european teams are better

how ever u look at it
but id say europe is harder, u get new opponents everytime and u wont know how they play

[Snake]

If South America included Central America players, It would be a more interesting match.

[Laury84]

If South America included Central America players, It would be a more interesting match.
:lol:

[dexboii]

oi ppl listen rite europe is betta then south america simple as yes u south americans have brazil and argentina but thats it we have czech republic, england, france, italy, germany, spain, portugal, holland, denmark, sweden the list goes on so plz can u stop makin stupid threads like this when its obvious whos the best end of.

[dexboii]

and that wasnt me hatin that was just me bein honest and statin a fact

[dexboii]

o yeah and our leagues r ten times betta then urs which just adds to how much betta we r then u coz seriously who takes any notice of brazil except there national team? u know wot i mean?

[dexboii]

look at the brazilian national first team squad every single one of them plays in europe it says it all doesnt it?

[Laury84]

look at the brazilian national first team squad every single one of them plays in europe it says it all doesnt it?
I agree with u!totally!

europe is 10 times better then s.america!!!!!no doubt about that!

[kingkong]

look at the brazilian national first team squad every single one of them plays in europe it says it all doesnt it?

I agree with u!totally!

europe is 10 times better then s.america!!!!!no doubt about that!

Man,

If you depend on Brazil to say Europe is better,
what's left to Europe itself?...:lol:

BESIDES:

(1) Think about that:

The MOMA of New York has by far the best collection of French painters of the world: does that mean US art is better than France's?...
:usa2: :crazy: :boo:

'Till the day - which is not too far - SA instaurs its own showrooms, Europe is merely the "museum" of the world...

It just "shows": doesn't "produce" football...

South America is the atelier, the workshop where that art is continuously produced; every year you can buy all you think is the best from us, and every year we'll continue producing new masterpieces...

OR:

(2) Think about that:

The WCC rankings are:

SA clubs 24 (without any of our nationals playing in Europe)
EU clubs 21 (even Euro clubs using all our nationals)
That simply means: our nationals are still better than "yours"...

As if it were little, defending World Champion is SA's São Paulo...

OR:

(3) Think about that:

This poll score is now:

Europe = 56,40%
S. Am. = 43,60%

For a 85% majority of SFN European members (if not more), South America - way more than a mere technical tie - has already won this poll...

But, easilly!...

Looks like you're minority here, dear Laury and Dexboii ;) ...


:violin:(...'better keep playing my violin!)...

[Snake]

If eurpoe is "better" than South America, than why is brazil the best National Team of the world of all times and not Italy, France or England!!??, The two best players of the world were from South America Maradona and Pele,............dumbasses!

[Laury84]

If eurpoe is "better" than South America, than why is brazil the best National Team of the world of all times and not Italy, France or England!!??, The two best players of the world were from South America Maradona and Pele,............dumbasses!
I'm talking about the leagues...
and if s.america is better than europe why all the american players come to european team?!

[Laury84]

Man,

If you depend on Brazil to say Europe is better, what's left to Europe itself?...:lol:

BESIDES:

(1) Think about that:

The MOMA of New York has by far the best collection of French painters of the world: does that mean US art is better than France's?...
:usa2: :crazy: :boo:

OR:

(2) Think about that:

This poll is Europe = 56,40%
S. Am. = 43,60%

For a 85% majority of SFN European members, South America - way more than a mere technical tie - has already won this poll...

Easilly, dear Laury and Dexboii ;) ...


:violin:(...'better keep playing mi violin!)...
................

[Snake]

I'm talking about the leagues...
and if s.america is better than europe why all the american players come to european team?!

Why? because in South America they don't offer as much money as in the European clubs, and the european leagues are willing to pay hundrededs of millions of euros to have the americans play in their clubs

[Laury84]

no coz s.americans leagues sucks!

[kingkong]

no coz s.americans leagues sucks!

Laury, you just ..swore!...

You have nothing else to say?...

You didn't even respond any of my 3 or questions in my last post...

Oh I know, you're trying to find time to answer them...

That's fine ...

Anyway I'll repeat my post here:


Quote:
Originally Posted by dexboii
look at the brazilian national first team squad every single one of them plays in europe it says it all doesnt it?



Quote:
Originally Posted by Laury84
I agree with u!totally!

europe is 10 times better then s.america!!!!!no doubt about that!


Man,

If you depend on Brazil to say Europe is better,
what's left to Europe itself?...:lol:

BESIDES:

(1) Think about that:

The MOMA of New York has by far the best collection of French painters of the world: does that mean US art is better than France's?...
:usa2: :crazy: :boo:

'Till the day - which is not too far - SA instaurs its own showrooms, Europe is merely the "museum" of the world...

It just "shows": doesn't "produce" football...

South America is the atelier, the workshop where that art is continuously produced; every year you can buy all you think is the best from us, and every year we'll continue producing new masterpieces...

OR:

(2) Think about that:

The WCC rankings are:

SA clubs 24 (without any of our nationals playing in Europe)
EU clubs 21 (even Euro clubs using all our nationals)
That simply means: our nationals are still better than "yours"...

As if it were little, defending World Champion is SA's São Paulo...

OR:

(3) Think about that:

This poll score is now:

Europe = 56,40%
S. Am. = 43,60%

For a 85% majority of SFN European members (if not more), South America - way more than a mere technical tie - has already won this poll...

But, easilly!...

Looks like you're minority here, dear Laury and Dexboii ;) ...


:violin:(...'better keep playing my violin!)...
[/quote]

[Laury84]

Layry, you just ..swore!...


You have nothing else to say?...

You didn't even respond any of my 3 or questions in my last post...

Oh I know, you're trying to find time to answer them...

That's fine ...
why do u edited my post?!?!

[Laury84]

Laury, you just ..swore!...

You have nothing else to say?...

You didn't even respond any of my 3 or questions in my last post...

Oh I know, you're trying to find time to answer them...

That's fine ...

Anyway I'll repeat my post here:

[/I]





Man,

If you depend on Brazil to say Europe is better,
what's left to Europe itself?...:lol:

BESIDES:

(1) Think about that:

The MOMA of New York has by far the best collection of French painters of the world: does that mean US art is better than France's?...
:usa2: :crazy: :boo:

'Till the day - which is not too far - SA instaurs its own showrooms, Europe is merely the "museum" of the world...

It just "shows": doesn't "produce" football...

South America is the atelier, the workshop where that art is continuously produced; every year you can buy all you think is the best from us, and every year we'll continue producing new masterpieces...

OR:

(2) Think about that:

The WCC rankings are:

SA clubs 24 (without any of our nationals playing in Europe)
EU clubs 21 (even Euro clubs using all our nationals)
That simply means: our nationals are still better than "yours"...

As if it were little, defending World Champion is SA's São Paulo...

OR:

(3) Think about that:

This poll score is now:

Europe = 56,40%
S. Am. = 43,60%

For a 85% majority of SFN European members (if not more), South America - way more than a mere technical tie - has already won this poll...

But, easilly!...

Looks like you're minority here, dear Laury and Dexboii ;) ...


:violin:(...'better keep playing my violin!)...
[/QUOTE]
and honey if we're talking about the players u'r right but if we're talking about the leagues u can't say that s.america is better!c'mon!

and u should read the post where I wrote :I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LEAGUES!

[kingkong]

why do u edited my post?!?!

I didn't! I just by mistake pressed the "edit" button when should have pressed the "reply" button : I'm sorry!... (but I have already restaured your text as it was originally)...

Now stop finding excuses not to answer my questions - thinking too much! :lol: ...

[kramarino]

and honey if we're talking about the players u'r right but if we're talking about the leagues u can't say that s.america is better!c'mon!

and u should read the post where I wrote :I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LEAGUES!


Don't worry about King Schlong. He is just one big Schlong because he does not have one below the belt!:lol: But he still gets women because in Brazil the women are that desparate!:lol: He thinks that Brazil is the "shit" in soccer. I am not denying that they are one of the better teams but he does not see how overrated they are. 2002- a total fix for Brazil and South Korea. 1994- could have gone either way and we know which way it would have gone if Italy had an eleven man team. He talks about The 1934 Italian wc team as having Argentinian players on it. Yes, it had three. But they were born of Italian parents who were originally from Italy. And they were not the key players on the team. The powerhouse ( goal scorers) were Italian ( citizens and all) these were Meazza and Schiavio. Italy played hard that year and deserved to win. People just use the fact that Italy was the host as an excuse to knock them.

[kingkong]

and honey if we're talking about the players u'r right but if we're talking about the leagues u can't say that s.america is better!c'mon!

and u should read the post where I wrote :I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LEAGUES!

Tell me: how to talk about leagues without talking about players?...

If you mean, good organization, beautiful stadiums, rentability, great number of T-shirts sold, OK...

But, what about football?!...

Yeah, that sport played within 4 chalk lines?...

SA 24 x 21 Europe?!...

[kingkong]

Laury,

You are a hot chick: you're even able to ressurrect the dead! :lol: ...

[Laury84]

Tell me: how to talk about leagues without talking about players?...

If you mean, good organization, beautiful stadiums, rentability, great number of T-shirts sold, OK...

But, what about football?!...

Yeah, that sport played within 4 chalk lines?...

SA 24 x 21 Europe?!...
all right but s.american players need european teams coz they want to play like the europeans teams do!!they want to play the CL,they want to play with the european players,they want to have the european coach...so if they think they're better than us they should stay in their homeland and don't come here.

[Laury84]

Laury,

You are a hot chick: you're even able to ressurrect the dead! :lol: ...
are u joking?

[kramarino]

are u joking?
Well, yes he is a joke. But the "Dead" refers to him. As I mentioned, he does not have a schlong below the belt because he is one big schlong! KING SCHLONG!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[kingkong]

are u joking?

Read above?...

Now you know I'm not!...

[Laury84]

I don't understand nothing!

[football123]

If eurpoe is "better" than South America, than why is brazil the best National Team of the world of all times and not Italy, France or England!!??, The two best players of the world were from South America Maradona and Pele,............dumbasses!

these south american players and the 2 best indeed come from an european and african descent or background anyway...like 99.5% or more of the good footballers come ancestraly from the old world..either africa or europe..south america is new native american places like bolivia, peru may have skill but lets accept it physically they can't compete. the game was invented in europe and all humans have their roots back to africa anyway..so i never underestand why people give credit to south america?? do these players have genes from south america? indians?? no they are mulatto or mediterranean mostly.. was the game or tactics invented there? no it mostly came from england, spain, italy ,etc.. so basically good south american countries have mixed imported players from the old continent..

[kingkong]

all right but s.american players need european teams coz they want to play like the europeans teams do!!they want to play the CL,they want to play with the european players,they want to have the european coach...so if they think they're better than us they should stay in their homeland and don't come here.

All they want is: mony, mony, mony!...

[kramarino]

All they want is: mony, mony, mony!...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: This coming from a Brazilian!!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[kingkong]

I don't understand nothing!

Laury,

You know that that guy was - and is - banned, wiped out from SFN map, and, as far as SFN is concerned, a virtual-internetic corpse: you "ressurrected" him! :heart: ...

Got it, now?...

[Laury84]

I don't understand nothing!
yeah...I got it..but please stop edit my post!thx

[Laury84]

All they want is: mony, mony, mony!...
oh....they're not the only one!

u'r brazilian?

[kingkong]

oh....they're not the only one!

u'r brazilian?

Yup,

Nice to meet you!

:)

[kramarino]

oh....they're not the only one!

u'r brazilian?
Yes, please understand that he is a living corpse. He needs to learn how to spell. It is MONEY with an "E" before the "Y". In Brazil they are very materialistic. The women in Rio get loads of plastic surgery and lay out on the beach all day. And the rich are extremely corrupt.

[kingkong]

yeah...I got it..but please stop edit my post!thx

Did it once more! Shame on me!...

Never edited anybody's posts, nor I will ever do it!...

Happened though: will pay + att from now on...

[kingkong]

But, Laurie,

Don't you hear, from time to time, a banned :lock1: voice :rant: coming from "The Other Side" :rip:??? ...

[kramarino]

In Rio, the police can't even controll the car jackings that happen in broad daylight. One day the abused poor are going to uprise against the rich just like in the French Revolution.

[Laury84]

Yup,

Nice to meet you!

:)
nice to meet u,i'm italian

[Laury84]

But, Laurie,

Don't you hear, from time to time, a voice coming from The Other Side??? :ronaldo: ...
my name is Laura not Laurie.
and do u take drugs?drugs don't work....
why did u ask me that?

[kramarino]

my name is Laura not Laurie.


What do you expect? He cannot even spell the word "money"?

and do u take drugs?drugs don't work....
why did u ask me that?


Without a doubt. South America is the drug capital of the world and he is a poster boy for the industry!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[kingkong]

my name is Laura not Laurie.
and do u take drugs?drugs don't work....
why did u ask me that?

Laura,

I know you are Italian (you don't have to throw that at my face, just 'cuzz you won this year's WC, OK :lol: ), and I assume you're a woman, no?...

If not I'm sorry (once more)...

why did u ask me that?

Try to understand me, Laura: - I said:


Don't you hear, from time to time, a banned :lock1: voice :rant: coming from "The Other Side" :rip:??? ...


Quiz: Who do you think I'm referring to?...

If, this time, you still don't understand, I swear I'll get into drugs...

P.S.: But I still think you're just gaining time to respond those 3 initial questions of mine :ranger: ...

[Laury84]

Laura,

I know you are Italian (you don't have to throw that at my face, just 'cuzz you won this year's WC, OK :lol: ), and I assume you're a woman, no?...

If not I'm sorry (once more)...



Try to understand me, Laura: - I said:



Quiz: Who do you think I'm referring to?...

If, this time, you still don't understand, I swear I'll get into drugs...

P.S.: But I still think you're just gaining time to respond those 3 initial questions of mine :ranger: ...
1.yeah i'm a woman of course.

2.I didn't throw at ur face that i'm italian coz we ARE THE WORLD CHAMPIONS but only coz I'm very proud of that.

3.in the first post u didn't write "a banned voice" but only "a voice".now I understand.and u're referring to...mmm...mmm....KRAM?!?!

[kingkong]

1.yeah i'm a woman of course.

2.I didn't throw at ur face that i'm italian coz we ARE THE WORLD CHAMPIONS but only coz I'm very proud of that.

3.in the first post u didn't write "a banned voice" but only "a voice".now I understand.and u're referring to...mmm...mmm....KRAM?!?!

BINGO!...

[Laury84]

BINGO!...
YEAH!!!What I win??!?!?!

[kingkong]

YEAH!!!What I win??!?!?!
Hmmm! Let's see!...

A date in South Africa in 2010 to see Brazil x Italy in the final: I'll pay for the 1st leg of the trip, and who loses pays the 'round the world tour in a luxury cruiser (better getting ready for that!) :evil: ...

[dexboii]

this debate has got retarded since i last posted a comment :hand:

[kingkong]

What do you expect? He cannot even spell the word "money"?


Poor Kram,

Always "broke"!...

Money is not to be "spelled", bud!...

But to be spent, lavished, dilapidated, squandered, dissipated with the marvelous women of great Italy!...

That's what you should be doing, 1st if you had some, 2nd if you had imagination, instead of "spend" your time pickpocketting (or sockpuppetting :ronaldo: ) in SFN's chat rooms!...

:smoking:

[Fenerliyim]

and wat r ur 3 initial questions KK

[kingkong]

and wat r ur 3 initial questions KK

My 3 (implicit) questions in one of my posts above were (I added a few more comments):

(in response to Dexboii and Laury84)


Man,


(1) Think about that:

The MoMA of New York has by far the best collection of French painters of the world: does that mean US art is better than France's?...
:usa2: :crazy: :boo:

'Till the day - which is not too far - SA instaurs its own "showrooms", and takes away the rich competitions from the Old World, Europe is merely a wealthy but static "Wax Museum" of World Soccer...

The "great" figures are all "there", but "paralyzed", contained in moulds (Fifa's Best Player of The Year, Player of the Century, Internet MVP Awards, Le Ballon Sportif de 2006, etc)...

Europe just "shows" football: it doesn't "produce" football!

In that sense, South America is way more dynamic...

What was the real high-level player that one of the most footballistic richest countries of the world - which is Spain - revealed to the world in the last 35 years - Raul??? :lol: ...

The same for Italy: Baggio? - you gotta be kidding...

England? The last one was George Best!...

Holland? France? Let's stick to Cruyjff's generation (72 to 76), Gullit, Van Basten, Platini and Zidane, and that's it.

Germany? Don't remember any after brilliant Beckenbauer, Müller, Overath, Breitner (74).

On the other hand, Zico, Falcão, Sócrates, Éder, Júnior, Leandro, Romário, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Pasarella, Fillol, Ardiles, Kempes, Maradona, Redondo, Riquelme, Messi, an infinity of great, great players is produced every year from South America's "factories"...

South America is the atelier, the workshop where that art is continuously produced; every year you can buy all you think is the best from us, and every year we'll continue producing new masterpieces...

OR:

(2) Think about that:

The WCC rankings are:

SA clubs 24 (without any of our nationals playing in Europe "helping us")
EU clubs 21 (even with Euro clubs using all our nationals...against us)
That can only mean: our nationals are still better than "yours"...

As if it were little, defending Club's World Champion is SA's São Paulo...

And that's why you want to scrap the WCCs from the game's annals, or to exclude it from the SFN Soccer Events Section...

And I am not here inciting people again SFN - as a few recently wanted to see it - but just showing a natural bias Europeans have against a competition as important as any other in a world level - and which is already a sensation in the whole worls: the whole world wants to see the Brazilian champion takebback home the scalp of the CL Champ - again! :lol: ...

OR:

(3) Think about that:

The score of this poll now is:

Europe = 56,40%
S. Am. = 43,60%

(check standings above)

For a 85% majority of SFN European members (if not more), South America - way more than a mere technical tie - has already won it!l...

But, easilly!...

Looks like you're minority here, dear Laury and Dexboii ;) ...


:violin:(...'better keep playing my violin!)...

[Fenerliyim]

The MoMA of New York has by far the best collection of French painters of the world: does that mean US art is better than France's?...

No our art isnt better, but our collection is, which makes us better in terms of displaying. So S.America might have the better players, yes, but we are talking about the league are we not, so in that case our leagues are better since we have the better players.

SA clubs 24 (without any of our nationals playing in Europe)
EU clubs 21 (even with Euro clubs using all our nationals...against us)
That simply means: our nationals are still better than "yours"...

3 team margin is pretty small and considering that the players coming from European teams are not so motivated to win. They do not care if they win or lose, its just like another friendly tournament. Yes, its a nice thing to add to ur collection but it is not the primary goal or close to the primary goal. The teams from S.America want the money while the ones from Europe dont need it. Maybe if they made the prize money 20 million euros, we would actually compete.

For a 85% majority of SFN European members (if not more), South America - way more than a mere technical tie - has already won this poll...

Care to explain more, i dont understand completly, but i must admit ur 85% european fact is wrong. Its much less. If u ask me, there are a lot more S.American or close to S.America then u think. SFN has a huge mexican member count and many others from the different countries from S.America. And may i add this poll is made in the year 2005, exactly 1 year ago. And may i add also then u dont need to be active to vote. Anybody registered can vote, that means many of those members who post just once in the intro thread might have voted and left. So ur facts are wrong.

[kingkong]

No our art isnt better, but our collection is, which makes us better in terms of displaying. So S.America might have the better players, yes, but we are talking about the league are we not, so in that case our leagues are better since we have the better players.



3 team margin is pretty small and considering that the players coming from European teams are not so motivated to win. They do not care if they win or lose, its just like another friendly tournament. Yes, its a nice thing to add to ur collection but it is not the primary goal or close to the primary goal. The teams from S.America want the money while the ones from Europe dont need it. Maybe if they made the prize money 20 million euros, we would actually compete.



Care to explain more, i dont understand completly, but i must admit ur 85% european fact is wrong. Its much less. If u ask me, there are a lot more S.American or close to S.America then u think. SFN has a huge mexican member count and many others from the different countries from S.America. And may i add this poll is made in the year 2005, exactly 1 year ago. And may i add also then u dont need to be active to vote. Anybody registered can vote, that means many of those members who post just once in the intro thread might have voted and left. So ur facts are wrong.

Who is "wrong"?...

You're the wrong one when you confuse South America (Brazil, Agentina, Uruguay, etc) with North America (Mexico, USA, Canada etc) - and you're also wrong even when you say Mexico is "closer" to South America than to Europe: Mexico City is as far from São Paulo, Porto Alegre, Rio, Buenos Aires, Montevideo (southern South American cities, where the main soccer centers of the continent are located) as it is from Rome, Paris or London (I have already shown you in other post the distances involving the 3 continents even with airlines charts)...

Never mind, though, we're already used to it: Brazil, capital Buenos Aires! :lol: ...

So, there is a vast European majority in SFN, which naturally comes followed by a series of cultural biases (and we understand that fact, although we don't have to accept it), and one of them is: "we, Europeans, lose to the South Americans in the WCCs? Oh, it must be because "we don't care" about them"!...

C'mon, Fenerlyim - DON'T INVENT EXCUSES! - you're into football as much as me, AND YOU KNOW THAT FOOTBALL PLAYERS DON'T LIKE TO LOSE NOT EVEN A CHECKER'S TOURNAMENT TO ANYBODY (EVEN IF NOT A DIME IS INVOLVED!!!)...

SPECIALLY IF IT'S AGAINST THE KINGS OF FOOTBALL THAT SINCE 1958 DETHRONED YOU & THERE ARE BILLIONS IN THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING!...

THAT ALSO MEANS MONEY HOWEVER: IF YOU LOSE, YOU'LL BE DEVALUATED, AS IT'S HAPPENED THIS YEAR TO LIVERPOOL'S GREAT "STARS" IN THE WORLD MARKET (EVEN BEFORE ENGLAND'S FIASCO IN THE WC)...

24 X 21 RIPS THE "MASK"!...

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE HORROR TO THE WCCS! :scared:...

BUT YOU CANNOT THAT LET THAT TRANSPIRE, RIGHT? (ALTHOUGH THE WHOLE WORLD ALREADY KNOWS IT) :gossip:...

C'MON: YOU HAVE THE BEST TEAMS - ISN'T IT? - SO BEAT US! :sad: ...

TAKE CARE, BARCELONA (PLAY FOR YOUR LIFE IN DECEMBER!!!)

[Fenerliyim]

Who is "wrong"?...

You're the wrong one when you confuse South America (Brazil, Agentina, Uruguay, etc) with North America (Mexico, USA, Canada etc) - and you're also wrong even when you say Mexico is "closer" to South America than to Europe: Mexico City is as far from São Paulo, Porto Alegre, Rio, Buenos Aires, Montevideo, where the main soccer centers of the continent are located) as it is from Rome, Paris or London (I have already shown you in other post the distances involved among the 3 continents even with airlines charts)...

Right.. u showed me that mexico city is equal distance from Sao Paulo as Roma. Nice try, not gonna work.

Never mind, though, we're already used to it: Brazil, capital Buenos Aires! :lol: ...

So, there is a vast European majority in SFN, which naturally comes followed by a series of cultural biases (and I understand that fact, although I don't have to accept it), and one of them is: "we, Europeans, lose to the South Americans in the WCCs? It must be because "we don't care" about them"!...

Its not we dont care about u, its the trophies we dont care about. For example what would the main aim of european countries be: The Cl Championship, first in their league, UEFA Super Cup, FA Cup and lastly the WCC cup.

On the other hand S.American teams probably value the WCC cup more than all the other cups they win.

C'mon, Fenerlyim, you're into football as much as me, AND YOU KNOW THAT FOOTBALL PLAYERS DON'T LIKE TO LOSE NOT EVEN A CHECKER'S TOURNAMENT TO ANYBODY (EVEN IF NOT A DIME IS INVOLVED!!!)...

No one likes to lose, but thats not always enough motivation to actually try. Fenerbahce lost the title for the Turkish Superleague last year in the last game of the season to a team we beat an average of 4-0 during the 3 times we met(includes Fa Cup). But our players u can ask anyone came on that field like they didnt care and lost the title.


SPECIALLY IF THERE ARE BILLIONS WATCHING! (THAT ALSO MEANS MONEY: IF YOU LOSE, YOU'LL BE DEVALUATED, AS IT'S HAPPENED THIS YEAR TO LIVERPOOL'S GREAT "STARS" IN THE WORLD MARKET)!...

Same example as above. Sometimes winning just gets too repetitive.

I mean have u ever played Football Manager, after winning title after title for like 3 years u kind of get bored.


THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE HORROR TO THE WCCS! :scared:...

C'MON: YOU HAVE THE BEST TEAMS - ISN'T IT? - SO BEAT US! :sad: ...

TAKE CARE, BARCELONA (PLAY FOR YOUR LIFE IN DECEMBER!!!)


barca has many injured players mind u.




And Btw, none of ur replies actually refuted my post from before.

[Laury84]

Hmmm! Let's see!...

A date in South Africa in 2010 to see Brazil x Italy in the final: I'll pay for the 1st leg of the trip, and who loses pays the 'round the world tour in a luxury cruiser (better getting ready for that!) :evil: ...
all right!

[Laury84]

Who is "wrong"?...

You're the wrong one when you confuse South America (Brazil, Agentina, Uruguay, etc) with North America (Mexico, USA, Canada etc) - and you're also wrong even when you say Mexico is "closer" to South America than to Europe: Mexico City is as far from São Paulo, Porto Alegre, Rio, Buenos Aires, Montevideo (southern South American cities, where the main soccer centers of the continent are located) as it is from Rome, Paris or London (I have already shown you in other post the distances involving the 3 continents even with airlines charts)...

Never mind, though, we're already used to it: Brazil, capital Buenos Aires! :lol: ...

So, there is a vast European majority in SFN, which naturally comes followed by a series of cultural biases (and we understand that fact, although we don't have to accept it), and one of them is: "we, Europeans, lose to the South Americans in the WCCs? Oh, it must be because "we don't care" about them"!...

C'mon, Fenerlyim - DON'T INVENT EXCUSES! - you're into football as much as me, AND YOU KNOW THAT FOOTBALL PLAYERS DON'T LIKE TO LOSE NOT EVEN A CHECKER'S TOURNAMENT TO ANYBODY (EVEN IF NOT A DIME IS INVOLVED!!!)...

SPECIALLY IF IT'S AGAINST THE KINGS OF FOOTBALL THAT SINCE 1958 DETHRONED YOU & THERE ARE BILLIONS IN THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHING!...

THAT ALSO MEANS MONEY HOWEVER: IF YOU LOSE, YOU'LL BE DEVALUATED, AS IT'S HAPPENED THIS YEAR TO LIVERPOOL'S GREAT "STARS" IN THE WORLD MARKET (EVEN BEFORE ENGLAND'S FIASCO IN THE WC)...

24 X 21 RIPS THE "MASK"!...

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE HORROR TO THE WCCS! :scared:...

BUT YOU CANNOT THAT LET THAT TRANSPIRE, RIGHT? (ALTHOUGH THE WHOLE WORLD ALREADY KNOWS IT) :gossip:...

C'MON: YOU HAVE THE BEST TEAMS - ISN'T IT? - SO BEAT US! :sad: ...

TAKE CARE, BARCELONA (PLAY FOR YOUR LIFE IN DECEMBER!!!)
do u really think that the european team are interested in the WCC?!?!?!
You're totally wrong,it's only a waste of time.we didn't care about that coz we've got competitions in europe that are definitely at a level that the s.americans comp don't reach!!take a look at the CL and at Copa Libertadores:don't get me wrong I really love to watch the Libertadores but u know the CL is another thing.

[kingkong]

do u really think that the european team are interested in the WCC?!?!?!
You're totally wrong,it's only a waste of time.we didn't care about that coz we've got competitions in europe that are definitely at a level that the s.americans comp don't reach!!take a look at the CL and at Copa Libertadores:don't get me wrong I really love to watch the Libertadores but u know the CL is another thing.

Laura,

Face it:

You're afraid & you think you "found" the perfect excuse to explain the unexplainable, which is:

If you are so much better, why don't you just go there and WIN!?...

End of the story!: is that so complicated?...

Why do you have to avoid truth, like the devil avoids the cross? :scared: ...

[Laury84]

Laura,

Face it:

You're afraid & you think you "found" the perfect excuse to explain the unexplainable, which is:

If you are so much better, why don't you just go there and WIN!?...

End of the story!: is that so complicated?...

Why do you have to avoid truth, like the devil avoids the cross? :scared: ...
afraid of what?!?!of the s.american teams?! :lol: :lol:

u should face it: u know that the european leagues are better than urs and u find an excuse that is the WCC.Yeah...go there and win it!!u'll be happy after that!

[Vipaman]

How come on almost everyboard I read there is this debate. I think it's pointless!! Both continents are great in many ways and poor in many ways, have great teams and poor teams. Why does one have to be better than the other? That's for Australia to decide :D We'll be the best one day!! Just see how well we did this summer! Just kidding, but really there are other continents than Europe and South America that make good players and teams too.

[Fenerliyim]

I love how KK just ignores many of posts when he has no way of refuting them

[kramellio]

Laura,

Face it:

You're afraid & you think you "found" the perfect excuse to explain the unexplainable, which is:

If you are so much better, why don't you just go there and WIN!?...

End of the story!: is that so complicated?...

Why do you have to avoid truth, like the devil avoids the cross? :scared: ...
Poor KK, his ego has met the salvos of truth. By the way, I am not poor. I have enough money to fly to Europe and back three times over. But unlike you egotistical Brazilians that blow all of your money on plastic surgery, clothes, bikinis and shoping, I don't flaunt it!

[Chileno]

Is this about leagues?...well then clearly euro leagues are better but not by the great margin they presume.

[Laury84]

How come on almost everyboard I read there is this debate. I think it's pointless!! Both continents are great in many ways and poor in many ways, have great teams and poor teams. Why does one have to be better than the other? That's for Australia to decide :D We'll be the best one day!! Just see how well we did this summer! Just kidding, but really there are other continents than Europe and South America that make good players and teams too.
AUSTRALIA?!?!?!? :lol: u call it soccer so u'll never be great! :lol:

[Laury84]

Is this about leagues?...well then clearly euro leagues are better but not by the great margin they presume.
I really don't understand if it's about the leagues or the nt!!but I'm talking about the leagues!

[kingkong]

I love how KK just ignores many of posts when he has no way of refuting them


You must have loved too when that Mineiro's ball entered Liverpool's goal in the last WCC and CL's Champ's prestige went to the space, right?...

Yeah, you're so much "above" that! :lol:...


"many posts"...


"Many posts"? Who told you quantity is quality? :lol: ...


Besides, who is not "refuting" what here? ...


If you are so much better, why don't you just go there and WIN!?...
Tell me, Fener: when didn't you "refute" that?..,

The WCC is a reality: billions in all continents will be watching it!...

Big market, man! Big money! Lots of prestige involved!...

But you're good, man! Don't let all that :scared: HORROR to influence you!...

We all know know you're going to try!...

And hard (just like Liverpolll tried last year) :sad: !...

[Laury84]

Who is not "refuting"? :lol: ...

When didn't you "refute" that?

The WCC is a reality: billions in all continents will be watching it!...

Big market, man! Big money! Lots of prestige involved!...

We all know know you're going to try!...

And hard (just like Liverpolll tried last year) :sad: !...
c'mon the WCC is only a s***!
billions of people will be watching it?Probably all s.americans and asians,not the europeans!coz we know what are the most important competitions!and the WCC is even lower than Intertoto!

[Fenerliyim]

Who is not "refuting"? :lol: ...

When didn't you "refute" that?

The WCC is a reality: billions in all continents will be watching it!...

Big market, man! Big money! Lots of prestige involved!...

But you're good, man! Don't let all that :scared: HORROR to influence you!...

We all know know you're going to try!...

And hard (just like Liverpolll tried last year) :sad: !...

Billions are watching? where do u get ur facts, i doubt any europeans watch it. Maybe if u combine india and china u'll get billions but there is no market there. Do u think they can actually afford to buy club merchandise when they can barely live?

Where is the big money, there is more money in friendly tournaments probably.

[Laury84]

Billions are watching? where do u get ur facts, i doubt any europeans watch it. Maybe if u combine india and china u'll get billions but there is no market there. Do u think they can actually afford to buy club merchandise when they can barely live?

Where is the big money, there is more money in friendly tournaments probably.
u wrote the same things that I wrote! :lol:

[kingkong]

Billions are watching? where do u get ur facts, i doubt any europeans watch it. Maybe if u combine india and china u'll get billions but there is no market there. Do u think they can actually afford to buy club merchandise when they can barely live?



u wrote the same things that I wrote!

Now you're playing dumby-dumby to each other! :gossip: ...

But you still "forgot" to "'refute" THAT:

If you are so much better, why don't you just go there and WIN!?...

if u combine india and china u'll get billions but there is no market there


The whole Asia, the whole Africa, the whole Oceania and Americas will be watching it - and you too, although you'll swear you won't (don't try to hide from the world, just because your players run like "wax statues" :ronaldo: , and you keep being massacred in direct confrontations with us)!...

Like it or not, you'll have to play the WCC, and if you lose (as it's been a rule) the whole world will simply laugh at your dear Europe as it's been happening in the last decades :sad: ...

And, much worse than losing money, is losing the rest of your already shattered prestige!...

[kingkong]

Billions are watching? where do u get ur facts, i doubt any europeans watch it.

So what if you Europeans don't watch (or pretend not to)?...

Worse for you:

1st, you'll be missing the "ball";

2nd, the world is 1000 times more populated than Europe (nobody will miss your "absence"; we just want eleven of you :evil: )

We know you'll be there though...

If not in body, but at least in spirit ;) ...

http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/5288/ostrichheadinsand16490bgd7.jpg

[Laury84]

Now you're playing dumby-dumby to each other! :gossip: ...

But you still "forgot" to "'refute" THAT:

If you are so much better, why don't you just go there and WIN!?...



The whole Asia, the whole Africa, the whole Oceania and Americas will be watching it - and you too, although you'll swear you won't (don't try to hide from the world, just because your players run like "wax statues" :ronaldo: , and you keep being massacred in direct confrontations with us)!...

Like it or not, you'll have to play the WCC, and if you lose (as it's been a rule) the whole world will simply laugh at your dear Europe as it's been happening in the last decades :sad: ...

And, much worse than losing money, is losing the rest of your already shattered prestige!...
c'mon kk dont say these s****!
what the hell understand the people of asia,australia and usa about football?If they think that the WCC is such important they don't understand nothing about this sport!it's ridiculous...And I don't give a f*** about that.The most important cup 4 a club?Without a doubt The CL and after that there's nothing!
The "bilions" that are going to watch that cup are people that don't have the CL and maybe they don't even know what the CL is! :lol:
They should watch their "football" and understand that we don't give a f*** about their leagues!
Imagine Ronaldo or someone else that says "oh my god I really want to play in an australian team"!:lol:

[Laury84]

So what if you Europeans don't watch (or pretend not to)?...

Worse for you:

1st, you'll be missing the "ball";

2nd, the world is 1000 times more populated than Europe (nobody will miss your "absence"; we just want eleven of you :evil: )

We know you'll be there though...

If not in body, but at least in spirit ;) ...
yeah but EUROPE is the continent of football.If we don't watch the WCC it's coz it's not important.
u should understand it and go on with ur beautiful leagues!

[kingkong]

The most important cup 4 a club?Without a doubt The CL and after that there's nothing!
The "bilions" that are going to watch that cup are people that don't have the CL and maybe they don't even know what the CL is! :lol:

Laura,
(feels like calling you "Laurie" now*),

You eat lots of hamburgers with Coca-Cola in McDonalds?...
You watch reality shows on TV?...
You like Halloween?
You don't miss one Rose Bowl?...

No?

Because you Europeans more and more sound like Americans who think their Baseball Championship is the World Baseball Championship!!! :usa2: ...

____________________________________________________
*That sounds more appropriately yankee...

[Laury84]

Laura,
(feels like calling you "Laurie" now*),

You eat lots of hamburgers with Coca-Cola in McDonalds?...
You watch reality shows on TV?...
You like Halloween?
You don't miss one Rose Bowl?...

No?

Because you Europeans more and more sound like Americans who think their Baseball Championship is the World Baseball Championship!!! :usa2: ...

____________________________________________________
*That sounds more appropriately yankee...
Honey:

I don't eat hamburgers and coca cola coz I live in the country that has got the best food in the world,I don't need ur f******* hamburgers!
I don't watch reality shows
I don't even know what the hell is Halloween
Rose Bowl?!?!what the hell is that?!?!

And the day that I will act and live like an american I'll probably kill myself.

[kingkong]

Besides, Laura,

When talking to a Brazilian, bow your head in respect: we sent you to space in two World Cup finals (5 x 1 is our score in finals) - I won't even cite the 2 WCCs in which Pelé's Santos and Raí's São Paulo destroyed your all-powerfull Milan: don't want to humble you anymore...

Kiss my feet, slave :ronaldo: !...

[Laury84]

Laura,
(feels like calling you "Laurie" now*),

You eat lots of hamburgers with Coca-Cola in McDonalds?...
You watch reality shows on TV?...
You like Halloween?
You don't miss one Rose Bowl?...

No?

Because you Europeans more and more sound like Americans who think their Baseball Championship is the World Baseball Championship!!! :usa2: ...

____________________________________________________
*That sounds more appropriately yankee...
take ur stupid american football,baseball and basketball and enjoy ur self

[Laury84]

Besides, Laura,

When talking to a Brazilian, bow your head in respect: we sent you to space in two World Cup finals (5 x 1 is our score in finals) - I won't even cite the 2 WCCs Pelé's Santos and Raí's São Paulo destroyed your all-powerfull Milan: don't want to humble you anymore...

Kiss my feet, slave :ronaldo: !...
poor guy...u don't even know which team I support.

[kingkong]

Honey:

I don't eat hamburgers and coca cola coz I live in the country that has got the best food in the world,I don't need ur f******* hamburgers!
I don't watch reality shows
I don't even know what the hell is Halloween
Rose Bowl?!?!what the hell is that?!?!

And the day that I will act and live like an american I'll probably kill myself.

So you'd better get the strichinin ready...

'Cuzz you're acting like one (you and Fener); "God save america", guys! :usa2: ...

[Laury84]

Besides, Laura,

When talking to a Brazilian, bow your head in respect: we sent you to space in two World Cup finals (5 x 1 is our score in finals) - I won't even cite the 2 WCCs Pelé's Santos and Raí's São Paulo destroyed your all-powerfull Milan: don't want to humble you anymore...

Kiss my feet, slave :ronaldo: !...
all right u've got 5 stars and we've got only 4 stars...wow...what a news!

remember WC82

[Laury84]

So you'd better get the strichinin ready...

'Cuzz you're acting like one (you and Fener); "God save america", guys! :usa2: ...
But what are u saying?!?!
I act like an american coz I say that europe is better than s.america?wow...yeah...u'r right!good argument!

[kingkong]

poor guy...u don't even know which team I support.

I know it's Inter, sweetheart!...

"Your" Milan 'cuzz it's "also" Italian (don't play dumby-dumby, please!..)

Kiss my feet, Euro!...

[kingkong]

But what are u saying?!?!
I act like an american coz I say that europe is better than s.america?wow...yeah...u'r right!good argument!


No, cutie!...

Because you say your "baseball" tournament is the World "Baseball" Championship, just like the Americans!...

C'mon, you lose: 5 x 1 in WC finals!...

More respect, slave!...

[kingkong]

Besides,

There is another Inter, way above in the world rankings than your Inter right now in the planet babe: the great Internacional from Porto Alegre, who is going to face "your" Barcelona in December (and I don't need to tell you the tournament's name!)

[Laury84]

I know it's Inter, sweetheart!...

"Your" Milan 'cuzz it's "also" Italian (don't play dumby-dumby, please!..)

Kiss my feet, Euro!...
I don't know how this things go in Brazil:but I'm really happy when Milan loses!

[Laury84]

besides,

There is another Inter, way more above in the world rankings than your Inter right now in the planet babe: the great Internacional from Porto Alegre, who is going to face "your" Barcelona in December (and I don't need to tell you the tournament's name!)
oohh...what's this?maybe the WCC?!?!?!

[Laury84]

No, cutie!...

Because you say your "baseball" tournament is the World "Baseball" Championship, just like the Americans!...

C'mon, you lose: 5 x 1 in WC finals!...

More respect, slave!...
I told u before that I know that u've got 5 stars and we've got "only" 4 stars but hey...what did u do in this WC?!?!:lol:

remember WC82

And u should give some respect too...

[Laury84]

Besides,

There is another Inter, way more above in the world rankings than your Inter right now in the planet babe: the great Internacional from Porto Alegre, who is going to face "your" Barcelona in December (and I don't need to tell you the tournament's name!)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

btw Argentina is better than Brazil!

[Laury84]

from now till 2010 WE ARE THE WORLD CHAMPIONS not u honey!

[kingkong]

I don't know how this things go in Brazil:but I'm really happy when Milan loses!

Here is the same: Flamengo hates Vasco (and vice-versa) in Rio; in São Paulo, Corinthians and Palmeiras, in the South, Inter and Grêmio, in Minas St. Atlético and Cruzeiro...

In South America, you remembered well: Brazil and argentina...

In the world Brazil x Italy...

But may be we can reverse that last situation in our 'round the world cruise in 2010, right? ;) ...

[Laury84]

Here is the same: Flamengo hates Vasco (and vice-versa) in Rio; in São Paulo, Corinthians and Palmeiras, in the South, Inter and Grêmio, in Minas St. Atlético and Cruzeiro...

In South America, you remembered well: Brazil and argentina...

In the world Brazil x Italy...

But may be we can reverse that last situation in our 'round the world cruise in 2010, right? ;) ...
if even in Brazil it's the same situation u should know that i really don't give a f*** if Milan sucks.I'M ONLY HAPPY!

Well I think that Argentina knows that football is a team sport.Brazil doesn't.

And 4 Brazil and Italy I tell u only one thing:WE ARE THE CHAMPS NOT U!u should learn something from us

[kingkong]

Imagine Ronaldo or someone else that says "oh my god I really want to play in an australian team"!:lol:

Man, you'd me doing a favour exchanging Ronaldo with any of those big Australian forwards: at least they are not that fat! :ronaldo: ...

[Laury84]

Man, you'd me doing a favour exchanging Ronaldo with any of those big Australian forwards: at least they are not that fat! :ronaldo: ...
:lol: :lol:

[Laury84]

I hate Ronaldo.I would like to see him dead.