Mexican Football Basics

[El Kapitan]

Well this thread is the product of an observation, have you noticed that we have visitors from other forums but many don't participate in our discussions?, I think that's because many are not familiarized with the mexican football system, history, rivalries and many other things that us regular participants take as granted.

Therefore as a little service to the community that visit us we can build a thread with the information to satisfy the curiosity of our visitors, I hope other regulars to this forum could help by posting information that they consider relevant about Mexican football, and visitors feel free to ask any question related to Mexican football and I'm sure that sooner or later there would be an answer.

This way we can give a little push to promote mexican football in other countries, and maybe just maybe one of these days we can find a Greek fan of Chivas, a Nigerian fan of Pumas or a Chinese fan of the America.

[El Kapitan]

Mexican Football System.

First steps.

The Mexican Football system have it's origins in the early 20th century, that early period is known as the amateur era back then football was disputed within geographical regions. The winners of a local league consisting of teams near and around Mexico City named as Primera Fuerza, were considered national champions. There were other regional leagues such as the Liga Veracruzana (Est Coast), Liga Occidental (West Coast) and Liga del Bajío (North-Central) that also had notable clubs. Many club owners were not keen on the idea of establishing a professional league, despite paying players under the table. With the increasing demand of football, there was a sense of urgency to unite all the local amateur leagues in Mexico to progress as a footballing nation. The national league was finally established in 1943.

La Liga Mayor, birth of the professional era.

When the F.M.F. announced the formation of the nation's first professional league, many clubs petitioned to join the newly formed league. The F.M.F. announced that ten clubs would form the Liga Mayor. The first members of the league were founded by six clubs of the Primera Fuerza of Mexico City, two clubs from the Liga Occidental (Western League) and two members from the Liga Veracruzana (Veracruz League).

Founding members

Primera Fuerza: América, Asturias, Atlante, España, Marte and Moctezuma

Liga Occidental: Atlas and Guadalajara

Liga Veracruzana: A.D. Orizabeño and Veracruz

Expansion was evident as popularity increased. This popularity led to the league expanding the number of team participating. The F.M.F. changed the name of the Liga Mayor in 1950 to Primera División (First Division) and established the Segunda División (Second Division).

Throughout the late 1950s and early 1960s, many small clubs faced economic difficulties which were attributed to the lack of international competition by Mexican clubs and an unrewarding league format. Mexican clubs who placed relatively high in the league standings did not have the luxury to participate in prestigious international tournaments (such as the Copa Libertadores or the UEFA Champions League) as many South American and European clubs did. The F.M.F. knew they had to act to regenerate interest to save many of the smaller clubs from bankruptcy and recruit new investors. The F.M.F., along with affluent club owners, were able to attract key investors. As a result, the F.M.F was in a position to host the FIFA World Cup.

The Mexican League Boom

The 1970 FIFA World Cup held in Mexico was the first World Cup televised on a grand scale. For that one summer, the world looked to Mexico. This set a trend in marketing, recruitment and development. The new stadiums practice facilities built for the World Cup set a path for future events to come. Prior to the World Cup, the Liga Mayor awarded the team with the most points as national champions. The season following the FIFA World Cup, the F.M.F. changed the league format and established a playoff phase to determine the national champion. This was done to regenerate interest and reward teams that placed fairly high in the standings.

La Liguilla, playoffs for Football soccer.

The birth of the playoffs modernized the league despite the disagreements between the tradionalist and the modernist. Clubs that were near bankruptcy now were able to compete and generate profits. The playoffs have evolved since their inception. Today the teams are divided into groups, with the top teams from each group qualifing for a playoff phase called Liguilla. This playoff phase is played in two-leg aggregate-score format, similar to the quarterfinals and semifinals of the UEFA Champions League.

In 1996, the league decided to split the season into two championships. This measure was done to generate additional revenues to finance the F.M.F.'s lower divisions. The league holds two tournaments per year, first called invierno (winter) and verano (spring), now changed to clausura (closing) and apertura (opening).

At the end of a season, after the apertura and clausura tournaments, one team is relegated to the next lower division, Primera División A, and one team from that division is promoted and takes the place left open by the relegated team. Currently, the relegated team is determined by computing the points-per-game-played ratio for each team, considering all the games played by the team during the last three seasons (six tournaments). The team with the lower ratio is relegated. For teams recently promoted, only the games played since their promotion are considered (two or four tournaments). The team promoted from Primera Division A is the winner of a two-leg match between the champions of the apertura and clausura tournaments of that division. If a team becomes the champion in both tournaments, it is automatically promoted.

[El Kapitan]

Divisions.

Primera División de México (Mexican First Division)

Is the premier football championship established by the Federación Mexicana de Fútbol Asociación (F.M.F.) (English: Mexican Football Federation). The league currently consists of eighteen teams. The First Division is a successor of the Liga Mayor (Major League) that was established in 1943.

The 18 teams playing in primera division this 2005/06 are;

1- Club Atlas
2- Club de Futbol Necaxa Aguascalientes
3- CF San Luis
4- CD Guadalajara (Chivas)
5- CF America
6- Universidad Autonoma de Guadalajara (Tecos)
7- Club Deportivo Cruz Azul
8- Atlante CF
9- Club Universidad Naciona Autonoma de Mexico (Pumas)
10- Monterrey CF
11- CD Toluca
12- Pachuca Football Club
13- CF Santos Laguna
14- CF Monarcas Morelia
15- CF Tiburones Rojos del Veracruz
16- Universidad de Nuevo Leon (Tigres)
17- Club Dorados de Sinaloa
18- CF Jaguares de Chiapas

Primera Division A (First Division A)

Is the immediate lower division of the Primera Division, currently consists on 20 teams, some of them with history in first division and national championships, the Primera A was established with it's current structure in the early 90's but it was formed over the structure of the 1950's second division. The change of name was due a recognition of financial autonomy from the Primera Division. The championship is played with the same system of the first division, the Champ of the Apertura faces the Champ of the Clausura and the winner is promoted to the Primera Division, if a team wins both tournaments is automatically promoted, the last place in points per game played ratio after both tournaments is relegated to the next lower division, the Second Division.

La Segunda Division, (Second Division).

An old fashioned Division, teams face each other within five geographic regions, Norte(North), Sur (South), Centro (Center), Occidente (West) and Bajio (North-Central), the winner of each region advance to a group stage, the winner of that stage is the second division champion and is promoted to the Primera A, the relegation is more elaborated, teams are relegated depending on each region depending on overall performance, number of teams by region, and economic capacity, at least one team gets relegated in the Second Division, but there can be more if the conditions are met.

Tercera Division.

The last professional division, it's a huge system of geographic regions, similar to the second division, the overall champ of the tournament is promoted to the second division, unless they can't meet the economic obligations, in that case the second place is offered the second division spot, if more than one team in the second division don't meet their economic obligations can be relegated to the third division and other third division teams could be promoted. In this division teams are not relegated but can be folded for bad results and lack of financial responsability.

Development Teams.

A tournament with the youth squads of every first division team plus the Puebla of primera A.

Amateur Circuit.

There's one association for each state of the country, in every state there can be one or more tournaments, teams are not promoted or relegated, they play for the pride and the joy of the game.

[El Kapitan]

Primera Division Teams.

America

Founded in 1916, one of the most popular clubs in the country, 10 times champion of the league in the professional era, by far the most hated team of the country, comparable in that sense to the NY Yankees in professional baseball. They play in the Azteca stadium in Mexico City.

Star players: Claudio "El Piojo" Lopez, and Cuauhtemoc Blanco.
Hated Rivals: Chivas, Pumas and Cruz Azul.
Colors: Yellow and Blue

Atlante

Founded in 1917, they were one of the most popular teams in the early history of Mexican Football, they struggle to join the league for the lack of money and only managed to join the league after selling a cow, that combined with the fact that played with courage and defeated big teams help them to build a large fanbase and the nick name of "the team of the people", sadly their lack of success in modern football and bad administration made them the club with least fans in the league. They have won the league two times in the professional era. They play in the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City.

Star Player: Patricio Galaz, and Federico Vilar
Hated Rivals: Necaxa (fading rivalry) and Cruz Azul (fading rivalry).
Colors: Red and Blue.

Atlas

Founded in 1916, by a group of mexican young men educated in England, very fast this team grew in recognition from the crowd because they were the only team in the first days of football in Mexico that knew how to give effect to the ball, they named the Club Atlas because they felt as the support of the world. They have won only once the league in the professional era. They play in the Jalisco Stadium in the city of Guadalajara.

Star player: Andres Guardado
Hated Rival: Chivas
Colors: Red and Black.

Cruz Azul

Founded in 1927, they played in the amateur circuit for many years bofore joining the pro league, the name Cruz Azul is due to the owner of the team the cement manufacturer Cruz Azul. Ever since they joined the pro league in the 60's they have become one of the most succesful teams in Mexico, they have won the Championship of the league in 7 times and enjoy a great fan base, this team is the third most popular team of the country, plays in the Azul stadium in Mexico City.

Star Player: Cesar "Chelito" Delgado, Francisco "Kikin" Fonseca.
Hated Rivals: America, Pumas, Pachuca (fading rivalry) and Atlante (fading rivalry).
Colors: Blue and white.

Dorados de Sinaloa.

Founded in 2002, this is a cinderella team, the owners bought a Primera A team and they pretty soon earned the promotion for the 2004-2005 campaign, ever since they have managed to stay in the first division. They play in the Stadium Carlos Gonzales y Gonzales in Culiacan Sinaloa.

Star players: W. Sebastian Abreu and Josep Guardiola.
Hated Rivals: None
Colors: White and Gold.

Chivas

Founded in 1906, this club was founded originally as the Union Football Club by mexican, french, and belgic students, those foreign founders are the only foreigns that were allowed to play with the team and ever since Chivas only fields mexicans. They were the most succesfull team in amateur history and in pro history they have won the league in 10 tournaments, they are one of the most popular clubs in the country (maybe the most) and unlike their archirival America they are repected all over the country for playing only with mexicans. They play in the Jalisco stadium in the city of Guadalajara.

Star players: Oswaldo Sanchez , and Omar Bravo.
Hated Rivals: America, Atlas and Pumas
Colors: Red, and white.

Jaguares de Chiapas

Founded in 2002 after acquiring the rights of the first division franchise Veracruz, there's little to add about the team that plays in the most controversial state of the country. They play in the Stadium Victor Manuel Reyna in the city of Tuxtla Gutierrez.

Star player: Salvador Cabañas.
Hated Rivals: None
Colors: Orange and White.

Monarcas

Founded in 1924 origanally under the name of Oro, this team is a typicall mid-table team, that has started to enjoy success in the modern era after many years of struggle and sometimes relegation. They have won the league once. They play in the stadium Jose Ma. Morelos in the city of Morelia.

Star player: Luis Gabriel Rey
Hated rival: None (although there's an emerging rivalry with America)
Colors: Yellow and Red.

Monterrey

Founded in 1945 they pretty soon joined the Liga Mayor, but economic problems relegated the team and force them to close operations, years later they managed a comeback to the top category, ever since they have won the league twice spite being one of the richest clubs in mexican football. They play in the Tecnologico stadium in the city of Monterrey.

Star players: Luis Perez, and Jesus Arellano
Hated Rivals: Tigres
Colors: Blue and white

Necaxa

Founded in 1923 they were one of the most popular teams in the country, with Atlante they created the first rivalry of the country, after years of amateur success the team closed operations when the league turned pro, years later they came back but without matching their amateur success, in the 70's an economic crisis forced the team to change ownership and they were bought by Mexican-Spanish investors that changed the name of the team for Toros del Atletico Español, the change for a name that was related to Spain was a huge mistake, the original fans of Necaxa recented the change and leaved the new Atletico Español, the Atletico soon become the most hated team in the country (Football teams with foreign origins in Mexico specially from Spain are terribly unsuccessfull) and the one with least followers. They changed back their name to Necaxa in the 80's but never managed to recover from their days as Atletico Español, they achieved three league championships but the stadium stayed almost empty, the lack of fans forced the club to relocate to the central city of Aguascalientes, were they play today in the Victoria stadium.

Star player: Alfredo Moreno, and Tressor Moreno
Hated Rivals: Atlante (fading rivalry)
Colors: White and Red.

Pachuca

The oldest club in mexican football, founded in 1901 by English workers in the central city of Pachuca, this team enjoyed little success in the amateur era, they closed operations until they rejoined the league but this time in the second division of mexican football, ever since they struggled between promotions and relegations, finally in recent years they have enjoyed success and have managed to win the league in three times, they play in the Hidalgo stadium in the city of Pachuca.

Star player: Miguel Calero and Nelson "Pipino" Cuevas
Hated Rival: Cruz Azul (fading rivalry)
Colors: White and Blue.

San Luis

A team that struggles with promotions and relegations, the modern San Luis re-emerged in 2002, but it had it's origins in the old Real San Luis from the 1950's, this is their first year in Primera division after a few years of absence of the top circuit. They play in the city of San Luis in the Alfonso Lastra stadium.

Star player: Hector "Pity" Altamirano
Hated Rivals: None
Colors:Blue and yellow.

Santos

Founded in 1979, they played originally in the central state of Morelos, they relocated a couple times after founding their home in the city of Torreon. Traditionally a mid-table club, they found recent success to win the league in two ocassions. They play in the Corona stadium in the city of Torreon.

Star player: Rodrigo "Pony" Ruiz, Vicente Vuoso.
Hated Rival: None
Colors: Green and White.

[El Kapitan]

Teams II

Tigres

Founded in 1960 as the representative of the University of Nuevo Leon in professional football, the Tigres grew in popularity in later decades, they have never enjoyed much success spite being one of the richest clubs in the league, they keep one of the most passional rivalries in the country with their neighborns of Monterrey. They have won two league championships and play in the Universitario stadium in the city of San Nicolas de los Garza (Monterrey metropolitan area).

Star player: Walter "El Divino" Gaytan., and Sebastian "Chamagol" Gonzales
Hated rival: Monterrey
Colors: Yellow and blue.

Toluca

Founded in 1916 the red devils are one of the most consistent teams in mexican football, they have kept a low profile but have been successful in first division winning the league in eight opportunities. They play in the Nemesio Diez stadium in the city of Toluca.

Star player: Antonio Naelson "Sinha", Rodrigo "Rengo" Diaz.
Hated Rival:None
Colors:Red and white

Tecos

Founded in 1971 as the representative of the University of Guadalajara in mexican pro football, this team has enjoyed of some success with out matching the popularity of the other two clubs in Guadalajara, this is one of the clubs with least fans in mexican football, still they won the championship once, they play in the stadium Galeria in the city of Zapopan (Guadalajara metropolitan area).

Star player: Daniel "Hachita" Ludueña.
Hated rival: None
Colors: White and red.

Pumas

Founded in 1954 as the representative of the National University in pro football, the Pumas have come a long way from their early days, in the decade of the 70's they created the first system to work with kids all over the country developing a system that continuosly provided young players for the team and even other teams in the league, that youthfull image and dynamic style don't only gave them success but also lots of fans, becoming one of the most popular teams in the country, only behind Chivas, America, and Cruz Azul, they have won the league five times, play in the Olimpico Universitario stadium in the University City (Within Mexico City).

Star player: Bruno "Barullo" Marioni, Joaquin "Capitan" Beltran
Hated Rivals: America, Chivas and Cruz Azul
Colors: Blue and Gold.

Veracruz.

The red sharks were founded in 1940, twice champions of league this team enjoys lots of tradition and a good fan base in their state, even though this team has struggled through different periods and even in recent years they have fought with relegations and promotions. They play in the Luis "Pirata" Fuente in the city of Veracruz.

Star players: Gustavo "Grillo" Biscayzacu
Hated Rival: None
Colors: Red and blue.

[El Kapitan]

Selección Mexicana, the National Team.

The Mexican National team has 81 years of history, the first time a National squad was created was after a tour of the mexican club America in Guatemala in 1923, thanks to the success of that tour a year after a comission of the mexican federation decided to create a Mexican representative.

The first players to ever wear a national team jersey were:

Nacho de la Garza,
Pedro “Perico” Legorreta,
Manuel “Güero” Yáñez,
Enrique “La Matona” Esquivel,
Agustín Ojeda,
Roberto Jardón,
Carlos Garcés,
Horacio Ortiz,
Adeodato López,
Mauro Guadarrama “La Venada” Alatorre,
Cornelio Cuevas, y
Alfredo “Fofo” García Besné.

The coach was the legendary Rafael Garza Gutiérrez “Record”.

http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portal/img/selmayfoto1.jpg

Back then the uniform wasn't the modern green jersey , white shorts and red socks. At that time it was considered of bad taste to use the colors of the flag in your cloathing, so the federation decided to use a dark red jersey (almost burgundy), black shorts and socks.

http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portal/img/selmayfoto15.jpg

They started playing international tournaments in 1928, in their first tournament ever they played in Holland only one match against Spain and were destroyed 7:1.

They participated in the first World Cup ever in 1930, and had a terrible performance.

Years later they reapered in the WC of 1950 after losing two invitations to the WC, from then on the historic goalie of the national team Antonio "Tota" Carbajal played 5 WC's in a row.

http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portal/img/selmayfoto11.jpg

The WC of Chile 62 marks the first good performance of a national team in such tournaments, by beating Chekslovakia (later finalist of the tournament) by 3:1.

In 1970 and 1986 Mexico hosted the WC, in both tournaments ended up in the 6th place and in both cases they lost in the quarterfinals against the later subchampion.

The WC's of 1974, 1982 and 1990 are the only modern WC's with out the presence of the Mexican national team. The cases of 74 and 82 are the only two times when Mexico has lost the ticket in the qualifiers, the case of 1990 Mexico was sanctioned by FIFA and couldn't participate although it was qualified.

The first apparence of the green jersey was until the WC of 1978.

http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portal/img/selmayfoto12.jpg

The decade of the 90's represents a boom for the Mexican national team, they started to participate in the Copa America, the Cup of Nations organized by Conmebol, in 1993 they played for the first time the Copa America and they were subchampions of the tournament losing the final to Argentina 2:1.
In from WC 94 to 02 the national team has played in constantly in the WC and have always advanced to the final 16.

http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portal/img/selmayfoto5.jpg

Nowdays the Mexican National team is a very competitive team, with some players in European leagues, but most playing in the Mexican First Division, a league that just like the national team is very competitive and growing.

[Ese_Guy]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to El Kapitan again.
As always, El Kapitan is full of great info and insight.
I agree that this info was necessary, therefore this thread shall be parked :thumbsup:

[Calif]

Eso El Kapitan :thumbsup: buena informacion.

[gresaa*cr7]

yyyea greatt info!..thannnkss

[Majid]

where can i take some reputation points for my self

[Mexico Kid]

Nice..you've been repped!

[Rayado_Inglés]

This way we can give a little push to promote mexican football in other countries, and maybe just maybe one of these days we can find a Greek fan of Chivas, a Nigerian fan of Pumas or a Chinese fan of the America.
Dont forget the English fan of Monterrey! haha

[Majid]

Nice..you've been repped!

lol

[Ese_Guy]

Dont forget the English fan of Monterrey! haha
LOL, that's true!

Tambien acuerdense del los Pochos fanaticos de la FMF!

[Rayado_Inglés]

jeje pocho.. mis amigos me han contado de este. creen que el acento ingles es bien chido!

[Ese_Guy]

Actually I was talking about me.
People that were born in the U.S. of Mexican decent have been called "pochos"

[Rayado_Inglés]

ah ok fair enough, my friends in monterrey seem to refer to the english accent with pocho

[Ese_Guy]

cool, it's all slang anyway
Cheers!

[Ese_Guy]

Schedule & Standings (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/mexico/league/) en ingles!

[Rayado_Inglés]

Nice one, so its the monterrey clasico this weekend huh.. i gotta go for 2-1 to Rayados. hey and i heard the el guille is going to be called to the mexican national team, i guess thats pretty kool, but i suppose there lots of mexicans who dont like having foreigners in the team

[El Kapitan]

hey and i heard the el guille is going to be called to the mexican national team, i guess thats pretty kool, but i suppose there lots of mexicans who dont like having foreigners in the team

All of it is true, even some players like Gerardo Torrado, Oscar Perez and even el Guille teammate Jesus Arellano, have said that they don't like the idea of foreigns playing in the national team.

[San Oswaldo]

Ni Am Mi Me Gusta But What Can I Do This Better Be The Last Naturalisado In La Seleccion

[LaPerlaTapatia]

short but good summary about the Mexican Soccer.
By the way, I'm new here, so hi everybody

[Calif]

Hola Perla Tapatia bienvenida o bienvenido a los forums de SFN espero seguir leeindo tus opiniones en el forum.

[Rayado_Inglés]

so its the monterrey clasico this weekend huh.. i gotta go for 2-1 to Rayados
hey what d ya know i predicted the right score! why didnt i join the prediction league!

and welcome to this forum Perla Tapatia.. although i havnt been posting in the mexican forum for long

[Mexi]

Hola LaPerlaTapatia, look forward to seein ur posts. r u a girl or a guy? lol Mexican right?

[LaPerlaTapatia]

well, thanks for the welcome. I'm a girl and 100% mexican, although i dont live in Mexico.

[Ese_Guy]

Welcome LaPerlaTapatia!
Donde vives?

[LaPerlaTapatia]

Hi Ese_Guy, right now i'm living in Madrid

[Calif]

LaPerlaTapatia como te llamas y de que parte de mexico eres originaria yo soy Cesar originario de California pero mi familia es de Guadalajara.

[Mexi]

yo soy Crystal (lol yeah i'm a girl) le vaz a algun equipo Mexicano?

[LaPerlaTapatia]

Hi again, bueno mi nombre es Mía y soy originaria de Guadalajara, Jalisco, pero por causas del destino termine en España.

[LaPerlaTapatia]

Hola Crystal, pues en general me gustan mucho los ekipos de futbol mexicanos, hay 1 en especial k me gusta mas k los otros.

[San Oswaldo]

Hahh

[Calif]

Que bueno Mia yo como te comente en mi ultima post mi familia es de Guadalajara, Jalisco asi que somos Jalicienses al igual que tu.

[San Oswaldo]

NO se olviden de mi ~originario de: OCOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO (like SALCIDO)


SO PURO JALISCO MEXI IS A GIRL i didnt know!!!!

[San Oswaldo]

OH Y mi nombre es SALVADOR JIMENEZ o me puedes llamar CHAVA

[SantosLaguna]

Great Article

[Calif]

Orale Chava otro Jaliciense!!

[Mexi]

NO se olviden de mi ~originario de: OCOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO (like SALCIDO)


SO PURO JALISCO MEXI IS A GIRL i didnt know!!!!
lol no me sorprende :) i've heard it many times already. it's aight.

[Ese_Guy]

From FIFA's website:

Mexico (MEX) (http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/t/team/profile.html?team=mex)

Founded 1927

Affiliated 1929

WC participations 12 (1930, 1950, 1954, 1958, 1962, 1966, 1970, 1978, 1986, 1994, 1998, 2002)

WC honours Quarter-final 1970 and 1986

Continental Titles Three times NAFC champions (1947, 1949, 1991), three times CONCACAF champions (1965, 1971, 1977), three times Gold Cup (1993, 1996, 1998), five times Central American champions (1935, 1938, 1959, 1966, 1990), three times Pan American champions (1967, 1975 with Brazil, 1999)

Facts

Mexico have qualified for the FIFA World Cup finals 12 times  more often than world powers such as France and England for example. And their best results have come when they have hosted the tournament.
They reached the quarter-finals in 1970 and 1986, on both occasions losing to the eventual runners-up. In 1970, Italy defeated them 4-1 and in 1986, the home team were devastated after losing the penalty shoot-out with Germany.
The Mexicans have collected their fair share of silverware in regional tournaments, including the CONCACAF Gold Cup, Central America Championships, CONCACAF Champions Cup and Pan-American Games.

[Calif]

Estadísticas Históricas (Todos los que han descendido de la Primera División)

Temporada Club
2004-2005 Puebla
2003-2004 San Luis
2002-2003 Colibríes
2001-2002 León
2000-2001 Atlante
1999-2000 Toros Neza
1998-1999 Puebla
1997-1998 Veracruz
1996-1997 Pachuca
1995-1996 Tigres
1994-1995 UAT
1994-1995 Tampico Madero
1993-1994 Querétaro
1992-1993 Pachuca
1991-1992 Cobras
1990-1991 Irapuato
1989-1990 Atlante
1988-1989 Atlético Potosino
1987-1988 UAT
1986-1987 León
1986-1987 Cobras
1984-1985 Zacatepec
1983-1984 Curtidores
1982-1983 Zacatepec
1981-1982 Tampico
1980-1981 Curtidores
1979-1980 Jalisco
1978-1979 Veracruz
1977-1978 Atlas
1976-1977 Zacatepec
1975-1976 Atlante
1974-1975 Ciudad
1973-1974 San Luis
1972-1973 Pachuca
1971-1972 Irapuato
1970-1971 Atlas
1968-1969 Nuevo León
1967-1968 Morelia
1966-1967 Ciudad Madero
1964-1965 Zacatepec
1963-1964 Nacional
1962-1963 Tampico
1961-1962 Zacatepec
1960-1961 Celaya
1959-1960 Zamora
1958-1959 Cuautla
1957-1958 Tampico
1956-1957 Monterrey
1955-1956 Zamora
1954-1955 Marte
1953-1954 Atlas
1952-1953 La Piedad
1951-1952 Veracruz
1950-1951 San Sebastián

[Calif]

Estadísticas Históricas (Todos los ascensos a la Primera División)

Temporada Club
2004-2005 San Luis
2003-2004 Dorados
2002-2003 Irapuato
2001-2002 Real San Luis
2000-2001 La Piedad
1999-2000 Irapuato
1998-1999 Curtidores
1997-1998 Pachuca
1996-1997 Tigres
1995-1996 Pachuca
1994-1995 Celaya
1993-1994 Tampico
1992-1993 Toros Neza
1991-1992 Pachuca
1990-1991 Atlante
1989-1990 León
1988-1989 Potros-Neza
1987-1988 Cobras
1986-1987 Correcaminos
1985-1986 Cobras
1984-1985 Irapuato
1983-1984 Zacatepec
1982-1983 Curtidores
1981-1982 Oaxtepec
1980-1981 Morelia
1979-1980 A. Campesinos
1978-1979 Atlas
1977-1978 Zacatepec
1976-1977 Atlante
1975-1976 San Luis Potosí
1974-1975 Tecos
1973-1974 U.deN.L.
1972-1973 Ciudad Madero
1971-1972 Atlas
1970-1971 San Luis Potosí
1969-1970 Zacatepec
1968-1969 Torreón
1967-1968 Laguna
1966-1967 Pachuca
1965-1966 Nuevo León
1964-1965 Ciudad Madero
1963-1964 Cruz Azul
1962-1963 Zacatepec
1961-1962 Pumas
1960-1961 Nacional
1959-1960 Monterrey
1958-1959 Tampico
1957-1958 Celaya
1956-1957 Zamora
1955-1956 Monterrey
1954-1955 Atlas
1953-1954 Irapuato
1952-1953 Toluca
1951-1952 La Piedad
1950-1951 Zacatepec

[Vanpistolboy]

Thanks for this thread .....it was really helpful for me.

[kirby]

why not remove the sticky on this it appears that no one post anything in quite a while

[Calif]

Well this page is like an introduction to Mexican Soccer for some people who dont know much about mexican soccer they could read this thread, well basically the beginning of this thread and they could get an idea of what mexican soccer history is all about.

[kirby]

oh thanks i didnt read the beging of the tread i skip to the last page

[bernardo8]

can this thread be un stickied or w.e its called hahah i mean its been over a month and nobody has posted and it still appears on top of the list

[Centarfor9]

thats what it seems

[Calif]

I think the purpose that its stick it because for some members who dont know as much of the Mexican Soccer League they could get an idea of the league and that is why is stick.

[el chingon]

the problem is the lack of mexicans

[Calif]

Yeah thats the problem

[Calif]

Well this thread is the product of an observation, have you noticed that we have visitors from other forums but many don't participate in our discussions?, I think that's because many are not familiarized with the mexican football system, history, rivalries and many other things that us regular participants take as granted.

Therefore as a little service to the community that visit us we can build a thread with the information to satisfy the curiosity of our visitors, I hope other regulars to this forum could help by posting information that they consider relevant about Mexican football, and visitors feel free to ask any question related to Mexican football and I'm sure that sooner or later there would be an answer.

This way we can give a little push to promote mexican football in other countries, and maybe just maybe one of these days we can find a Greek fan of Chivas, a Nigerian fan of Pumas or a Chinese fan of the America.

[Calif]

Mexican Football System.

First steps.

The Mexican Football system have it's origins in the early 20th century, that early period is known as the amateur era back then football was disputed within geographical regions. The winners of a local league consisting of teams near and around Mexico City named as Primera Fuerza, were considered national champions. There were other regional leagues such as the Liga Veracruzana (Est Coast), Liga Occidental (West Coast) and Liga del Bajío (North-Central) that also had notable clubs. Many club owners were not keen on the idea of establishing a professional league, despite paying players under the table. With the increasing demand of football, there was a sense of urgency to unite all the local amateur leagues in Mexico to progress as a footballing nation. The national league was finally established in 1943.

La Liga Mayor, birth of the professional era.

When the F.M.F. announced the formation of the nation's first professional league, many clubs petitioned to join the newly formed league. The F.M.F. announced that ten clubs would form the Liga Mayor. The first members of the league were founded by six clubs of the Primera Fuerza of Mexico City, two clubs from the Liga Occidental (Western League) and two members from the Liga Veracruzana (Veracruz League).

Founding members

Primera Fuerza: América, Asturias, Atlante, España, Marte and Moctezuma

Liga Occidental: Atlas and Guadalajara

Liga Veracruzana: A.D. Orizabeño and Veracruz

Expansion was evident as popularity increased. This popularity led to the league expanding the number of team participating. The F.M.F. changed the name of the Liga Mayor in 1950 to Primera División (First Division) and established the Segunda División (Second Division).

Throughout the late 1950s and early 1960s, many small clubs faced economic difficulties which were attributed to the lack of international competition by Mexican clubs and an unrewarding league format. Mexican clubs who placed relatively high in the league standings did not have the luxury to participate in prestigious international tournaments (such as the Copa Libertadores or the UEFA Champions League) as many South American and European clubs did. The F.M.F. knew they had to act to regenerate interest to save many of the smaller clubs from bankruptcy and recruit new investors. The F.M.F., along with affluent club owners, were able to attract key investors. As a result, the F.M.F was in a position to host the FIFA World Cup.

The Mexican League Boom

The 1970 FIFA World Cup held in Mexico was the first World Cup televised on a grand scale. For that one summer, the world looked to Mexico. This set a trend in marketing, recruitment and development. The new stadiums practice facilities built for the World Cup set a path for future events to come. Prior to the World Cup, the Liga Mayor awarded the team with the most points as national champions. The season following the FIFA World Cup, the F.M.F. changed the league format and established a playoff phase to determine the national champion. This was done to regenerate interest and reward teams that placed fairly high in the standings.

La Liguilla, playoffs for Football soccer.

The birth of the playoffs modernized the league despite the disagreements between the tradionalist and the modernist. Clubs that were near bankruptcy now were able to compete and generate profits. The playoffs have evolved since their inception. Today the teams are divided into groups, with the top teams from each group qualifing for a playoff phase called Liguilla. This playoff phase is played in two-leg aggregate-score format, similar to the quarterfinals and semifinals of the UEFA Champions League.

In 1996, the league decided to split the season into two championships. This measure was done to generate additional revenues to finance the F.M.F.'s lower divisions. The league holds two tournaments per year, first called invierno (winter) and verano (spring), now changed to clausura (closing) and apertura (opening).

At the end of a season, after the apertura and clausura tournaments, one team is relegated to the next lower division, Primera División A, and one team from that division is promoted and takes the place left open by the relegated team. Currently, the relegated team is determined by computing the points-per-game-played ratio for each team, considering all the games played by the team during the last three seasons (six tournaments). The team with the lower ratio is relegated. For teams recently promoted, only the games played since their promotion are considered (two or four tournaments). The team promoted from Primera Division A is the winner of a two-leg match between the champions of the apertura and clausura tournaments of that division. If a team becomes the champion in both tournaments, it is automatically promoted.

[Calif]

Divisions.

Primera División de México (Mexican First Division)

Is the premier football championship established by the Federación Mexicana de Fútbol Asociación (F.M.F.) (English: Mexican Football Federation). The league currently consists of eighteen teams. The First Division is a successor of the Liga Mayor (Major League) that was established in 1943.

The 18 teams playing in primera division this 2005/06 are;

1- Club Atlas
2- Club de Futbol Necaxa Aguascalientes
3- CF San Luis
4- CD Guadalajara (Chivas)
5- CF America
6- Universidad Autonoma de Guadalajara (Tecos)
7- Club Deportivo Cruz Azul
8- Atlante CF
9- Club Universidad Naciona Autonoma de Mexico (Pumas)
10- Monterrey CF
11- CD Toluca
12- Pachuca Football Club
13- CF Santos Laguna
14- CF Monarcas Morelia
15- CF Tiburones Rojos del Veracruz
16- Universidad de Nuevo Leon (Tigres)
17- Club Dorados de Sinaloa
18- CF Jaguares de Chiapas

Primera Division A (First Division A)

Is the immediate lower division of the Primera Division, currently consists on 20 teams, some of them with history in first division and national championships, the Primera A was established with it's current structure in the early 90's but it was formed over the structure of the 1950's second division. The change of name was due a recognition of financial autonomy from the Primera Division. The championship is played with the same system of the first division, the Champ of the Apertura faces the Champ of the Clausura and the winner is promoted to the Primera Division, if a team wins both tournaments is automatically promoted, the last place in points per game played ratio after both tournaments is relegated to the next lower division, the Second Division.

La Segunda Division, (Second Division).

An old fashioned Division, teams face each other within five geographic regions, Norte(North), Sur (South), Centro (Center), Occidente (West) and Bajio (North-Central), the winner of each region advance to a group stage, the winner of that stage is the second division champion and is promoted to the Primera A, the relegation is more elaborated, teams are relegated depending on each region depending on overall performance, number of teams by region, and economic capacity, at least one team gets relegated in the Second Division, but there can be more if the conditions are met.

Tercera Division.

The last professional division, it's a huge system of geographic regions, similar to the second division, the overall champ of the tournament is promoted to the second division, unless they can't meet the economic obligations, in that case the second place is offered the second division spot, if more than one team in the second division don't meet their economic obligations can be relegated to the third division and other third division teams could be promoted. In this division teams are not relegated but can be folded for bad results and lack of financial responsability.

Development Teams.

A tournament with the youth squads of every first division team plus the Puebla of primera A.

Amateur Circuit.

There's one association for each state of the country, in every state there can be one or more tournaments, teams are not promoted or relegated, they play for the pride and the joy of the game.

[Calif]

Primera Division Teams.

America

Founded in 1916, one of the most popular clubs in the country, 10 times champion of the league in the professional era, by far the most hated team of the country, comparable in that sense to the NY Yankees in professional baseball. They play in the Azteca stadium in Mexico City.

Star players: Claudio "El Piojo" Lopez, and Cuauhtemoc Blanco.
Hated Rivals: Chivas, Pumas and Cruz Azul.
Colors: Yellow and Blue

Atlante

Founded in 1917, they were one of the most popular teams in the early history of Mexican Football, they struggle to join the league for the lack of money and only managed to join the league after selling a cow, that combined with the fact that played with courage and defeated big teams help them to build a large fanbase and the nick name of "the team of the people", sadly their lack of success in modern football and bad administration made them the club with least fans in the league. They have won the league two times in the professional era. They play in the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City.

Star Player: Patricio Galaz, and Federico Vilar
Hated Rivals: Necaxa (fading rivalry) and Cruz Azul (fading rivalry).
Colors: Red and Blue.

Atlas

Founded in 1916, by a group of mexican young men educated in England, very fast this team grew in recognition from the crowd because they were the only team in the first days of football in Mexico that knew how to give effect to the ball, they named the Club Atlas because they felt as the support of the world. They have won only once the league in the professional era. They play in the Jalisco Stadium in the city of Guadalajara.

Star player: Andres Guardado
Hated Rival: Chivas
Colors: Red and Black.

Cruz Azul

Founded in 1927, they played in the amateur circuit for many years bofore joining the pro league, the name Cruz Azul is due to the owner of the team the cement manufacturer Cruz Azul. Ever since they joined the pro league in the 60's they have become one of the most succesful teams in Mexico, they have won the Championship of the league in 7 times and enjoy a great fan base, this team is the third most popular team of the country, plays in the Azul stadium in Mexico City.

Star Player: Cesar "Chelito" Delgado, Francisco "Kikin" Fonseca.
Hated Rivals: America, Pumas, Pachuca (fading rivalry) and Atlante (fading rivalry).
Colors: Blue and white.

Dorados de Sinaloa.

Founded in 2002, this is a cinderella team, the owners bought a Primera A team and they pretty soon earned the promotion for the 2004-2005 campaign, ever since they have managed to stay in the first division. They play in the Stadium Carlos Gonzales y Gonzales in Culiacan Sinaloa.

Star players: W. Sebastian Abreu and Josep Guardiola.
Hated Rivals: None
Colors: White and Gold.

Chivas

Founded in 1906, this club was founded originally as the Union Football Club by mexican, french, and belgic students, those foreign founders are the only foreigns that were allowed to play with the team and ever since Chivas only fields mexicans. They were the most succesfull team in amateur history and in pro history they have won the league in 10 tournaments, they are one of the most popular clubs in the country (maybe the most) and unlike their archirival America they are repected all over the country for playing only with mexicans. They play in the Jalisco stadium in the city of Guadalajara.

Star players: Oswaldo Sanchez , and Omar Bravo.
Hated Rivals: America, Atlas and Pumas
Colors: Red, and white.

Jaguares de Chiapas

Founded in 2002 after acquiring the rights of the first division franchise Veracruz, there's little to add about the team that plays in the most controversial state of the country. They play in the Stadium Victor Manuel Reyna in the city of Tuxtla Gutierrez.

Star player: Salvador Cabañas.
Hated Rivals: None
Colors: Orange and White.

Monarcas

Founded in 1924 origanally under the name of Oro, this team is a typicall mid-table team, that has started to enjoy success in the modern era after many years of struggle and sometimes relegation. They have won the league once. They play in the stadium Jose Ma. Morelos in the city of Morelia.

Star player: Luis Gabriel Rey
Hated rival: None (although there's an emerging rivalry with America)
Colors: Yellow and Red.

Monterrey

Founded in 1945 they pretty soon joined the Liga Mayor, but economic problems relegated the team and force them to close operations, years later they managed a comeback to the top category, ever since they have won the league twice spite being one of the richest clubs in mexican football. They play in the Tecnologico stadium in the city of Monterrey.

Star players: Luis Perez, and Jesus Arellano
Hated Rivals: Tigres
Colors: Blue and white

Necaxa

Founded in 1923 they were one of the most popular teams in the country, with Atlante they created the first rivalry of the country, after years of amateur success the team closed operations when the league turned pro, years later they came back but without matching their amateur success, in the 70's an economic crisis forced the team to change ownership and they were bought by Mexican-Spanish investors that changed the name of the team for Toros del Atletico Español, the change for a name that was related to Spain was a huge mistake, the original fans of Necaxa recented the change and leaved the new Atletico Español, the Atletico soon become the most hated team in the country (Football teams with foreign origins in Mexico specially from Spain are terribly unsuccessfull) and the one with least followers. They changed back their name to Necaxa in the 80's but never managed to recover from their days as Atletico Español, they achieved three league championships but the stadium stayed almost empty, the lack of fans forced the club to relocate to the central city of Aguascalientes, were they play today in the Victoria stadium.

Star player: Alfredo Moreno, and Tressor Moreno
Hated Rivals: Atlante (fading rivalry)
Colors: White and Red.

Pachuca

The oldest club in mexican football, founded in 1901 by English workers in the central city of Pachuca, this team enjoyed little success in the amateur era, they closed operations until they rejoined the league but this time in the second division of mexican football, ever since they struggled between promotions and relegations, finally in recent years they have enjoyed success and have managed to win the league in three times, they play in the Hidalgo stadium in the city of Pachuca.

Star player: Miguel Calero and Nelson "Pipino" Cuevas
Hated Rival: Cruz Azul (fading rivalry)
Colors: White and Blue.

San Luis

A team that struggles with promotions and relegations, the modern San Luis re-emerged in 2002, but it had it's origins in the old Real San Luis from the 1950's, this is their first year in Primera division after a few years of absence of the top circuit. They play in the city of San Luis in the Alfonso Lastra stadium.

Star player: Hector "Pity" Altamirano
Hated Rivals: None
Colors:Blue and yellow.

Santos

Founded in 1979, they played originally in the central state of Morelos, they relocated a couple times after founding their home in the city of Torreon. Traditionally a mid-table club, they found recent success to win the league in two ocassions. They play in the Corona stadium in the city of Torreon.

Star player: Rodrigo "Pony" Ruiz, Vicente Vuoso.
Hated Rival: None
Colors: Green and White.

[Calif]

Teams II

Tigres

Founded in 1960 as the representative of the University of Nuevo Leon in professional football, the Tigres grew in popularity in later decades, they have never enjoyed much success spite being one of the richest clubs in the league, they keep one of the most passional rivalries in the country with their neighborns of Monterrey. They have won two league championships and play in the Universitario stadium in the city of San Nicolas de los Garza (Monterrey metropolitan area).

Star player: Walter "El Divino" Gaytan., and Sebastian "Chamagol" Gonzales
Hated rival: Monterrey
Colors: Yellow and blue.

Toluca

Founded in 1916 the red devils are one of the most consistent teams in mexican football, they have kept a low profile but have been successful in first division winning the league in eight opportunities. They play in the Nemesio Diez stadium in the city of Toluca.

Star player: Antonio Naelson "Sinha", Rodrigo "Rengo" Diaz.
Hated Rival:None
Colors:Red and white

Tecos

Founded in 1971 as the representative of the University of Guadalajara in mexican pro football, this team has enjoyed of some success with out matching the popularity of the other two clubs in Guadalajara, this is one of the clubs with least fans in mexican football, still they won the championship once, they play in the stadium Galeria in the city of Zapopan (Guadalajara metropolitan area).

Star player: Daniel "Hachita" Ludueña.
Hated rival: None
Colors: White and red.

Pumas

Founded in 1954 as the representative of the National University in pro football, the Pumas have come a long way from their early days, in the decade of the 70's they created the first system to work with kids all over the country developing a system that continuosly provided young players for the team and even other teams in the league, that youthfull image and dynamic style don't only gave them success but also lots of fans, becoming one of the most popular teams in the country, only behind Chivas, America, and Cruz Azul, they have won the league five times, play in the Olimpico Universitario stadium in the University City (Within Mexico City).

Star player: Bruno "Barullo" Marioni, Joaquin "Capitan" Beltran
Hated Rivals: America, Chivas and Cruz Azul
Colors: Blue and Gold.

Veracruz.

The red sharks were founded in 1940, twice champions of league this team enjoys lots of tradition and a good fan base in their state, even though this team has struggled through different periods and even in recent years they have fought with relegations and promotions. They play in the Luis "Pirata" Fuente in the city of Veracruz.

Star players: Gustavo "Grillo" Biscayzacu
Hated Rival: None
Colors: Red and blue.

[Calif]

Selección Mexicana, the National Team.

The Mexican National team has 81 years of history, the first time a National squad was created was after a tour of the mexican club America in Guatemala in 1923, thanks to the success of that tour a year after a comission of the mexican federation decided to create a Mexican representative.

The first players to ever wear a national team jersey were:

Nacho de la Garza,
Pedro “Perico” Legorreta,
Manuel “Güero” Yáñez,
Enrique “La Matona” Esquivel,
Agustín Ojeda,
Roberto Jardón,
Carlos Garcés,
Horacio Ortiz,
Adeodato López,
Mauro Guadarrama “La Venada” Alatorre,
Cornelio Cuevas, y
Alfredo “Fofo” García Besné.

The coach was the legendary Rafael Garza Gutiérrez “Record”.

http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portal/img/selmayfoto1.jpg

Back then the uniform wasn't the modern green jersey , white shorts and red socks. At that time it was considered of bad taste to use the colors of the flag in your cloathing, so the federation decided to use a dark red jersey (almost burgundy), black shorts and socks.

http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portal/img/selmayfoto15.jpg

They started playing international tournaments in 1928, in their first tournament ever they played in Holland only one match against Spain and were destroyed 7:1.

They participated in the first World Cup ever in 1930, and had a terrible performance.

Years later they reapered in the WC of 1950 after losing two invitations to the WC, from then on the historic goalie of the national team Antonio "Tota" Carbajal played 5 WC's in a row.

http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portal/img/selmayfoto11.jpg

The WC of Chile 62 marks the first good performance of a national team in such tournaments, by beating Chekslovakia (later finalist of the tournament) by 3:1.

In 1970 and 1986 Mexico hosted the WC, in both tournaments ended up in the 6th place and in both cases they lost in the quarterfinals against the later subchampion.

The WC's of 1974, 1982 and 1990 are the only modern WC's with out the presence of the Mexican national team. The cases of 74 and 82 are the only two times when Mexico has lost the ticket in the qualifiers, the case of 1990 Mexico was sanctioned by FIFA and couldn't participate although it was qualified.

The first apparence of the green jersey was until the WC of 1978.

http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portal/img/selmayfoto12.jpg

The decade of the 90's represents a boom for the Mexican national team, they started to participate in the Copa America, the Cup of Nations organized by Conmebol, in 1993 they played for the first time the Copa America and they were subchampions of the tournament losing the final to Argentina 2:1.
In from WC 94 to 02 the national team has played in constantly in the WC and have always advanced to the final 16.

http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portal/img/selmayfoto5.jpg

Nowdays the Mexican National team is a very competitive team, with some players in European leagues, but most playing in the Mexican First Division, a league that just like the national team is very competitive and growing.

[Calif]

In 2005 Mexico's U-17 team lifted their 1st ever FIFA World Cup

http://www.ipd.gob.pe/img/imagnweb2004/sub-17_mexico_02web.jpg

We said October was the month to celebrate… and the “Sub-17” Soccer Mexican National Team is the new Soccer World Champion after defeating nothing less than Brazil at the National Stadium in the city of Lima, Peru with a 3 to 0 score. These guys got into history as they got the very first championship in their category.

They played as professionals and demonstrated to all Mexicans how to perform like a team, how to pursue a dream and how to make it come true. They did a great job and fill Mexico with pride… hopefully they will keep on track and make us feel another victory much more often than what we are used to.

Every single place from Puerto Vallarta and I’m sure all over Mexico, had the TV set, or the Radio on to follow the game, you walked on the streets last night and everyone was talking about this victory and cheering up the young team.

[Xizor]

Eso es todo los Mexicanos somo los mas chingones whooooo! Viva Mexico hijos de su chingada madre!!!!!

Mexico, Best Team Ever! :alien:

[Captain Tsubasa]

All I know is that Chivas es el mas chingon de todo Mexico.. I'm from Mexico city but my heart is with Chivas

Chivas = Equipo del pueblo
Chivas = Mexico's 2nd National team
Chivas = America's worst nightmare
Chivas = Most tradition
Chivas = Mexico's most feared team
Chivas = Atlas's Gods and role models

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DESPUES DEL CHIVAS 4 - BOCA 0
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[STR1]

Desde que Vergara compro el equipo, las Chivas han cambiado mucho. Vergara y su personal estan haciendo un buen trabajo con fuerzas basicas y estan encontrando talento. En la pagina de internet de las Chivas dice que agarraron a 3 jugadores de las Chivas Coras y ahorita estan con las Chivas de Guadalajara en pre-temporada. Uno de ellos, no recurdo su nombre pero esta ahi en la pagina de las chivas, anda anotando goles y esta joven.

Hojala algun ejucutivo/empresario compra al Necaxa ya para que se dejen de agarrar judadores que son platos de segunda meza en el America. :worried:
Sin echarle ganas y dinero al equipo, el Necaxa simpre es un protagonista el la liga, ahora que harian con un dueno come Vergara?


Vamos Hidro-Rayos!!!!!!

[Calif]

Si escierto lo de esos jugadores el jugador que tu mencionas de trata creo de Emilio Lopez un jugador muy interesante y pues espero verlo pronto con el primer equipo en primera division!!!!!

[pitbull]

ayy bravo borgetti who the ***k are those ugly ass wetbacks orale wey orale learn how to talk chivas tigres what the ***k you name your teams like animals its like a joke stupid mother ***kers lear about soccer history before you wetbacks make a comment count and teell me in history how many of you wetbacks went to europe even venezuela got a striker in europe your best striker in history borgeti who scores haiti barabadoos plays 2 minutes per month jjjajajajjajaajjajajaj

[pitbull]

jajjajjaajajj goddamn tsubasa you wetback mexicans ilegal are gonna remenber beating boca for the rest of your life jajajajajajjjjaja its sad wow but yuor chiivas who the ***k names their club like animals cant even win a tittle in mexico how sorry i beat boca omy god we the best jajjajajajaj sorry wetback

[caruiz93]

jajjajjaajajj goddamn tsubasa you wetback mexicans ilegal are gonna remenber beating boca for the rest of your life jajajajajajjjjaja its sad wow but yuor chiivas who the ***k names their club like animals cant even win a tittle in mexico how sorry i beat boca omy god we the best jajjajajajaj sorry wetback


jajajaja talking about naming things like animals...isnt your name pitbull?

[Xizor]

jajjajjaajajj goddamn tsubasa you wetback mexicans ilegal are gonna remenber beating boca for the rest of your life jajajajajajjjjaja its sad wow but yuor chiivas who the ***k names their club like animals cant even win a tittle in mexico how sorry i beat boca omy god we the best jajjajajajaj sorry wetback

You see these are the kinds of people that make our society look bad! :sad:

[BELTRAN]

el kapitan that waz all great information i didnt know that much about tha beginings of tha mexican soccer leage so thanx bro hey and by tha way cruz azul is 8 times champion

[Calif]

Viaja Compeán a Japón; solicitará la sede del próximo Mundial de Clubes

http://www.mediotiempo.com/images/noticias/30311.jpg


De María estará en la Final de la Sudamericana


El Presidente de la Federación Mexicana de Futbol (FMF), Justino Compeán, viajó a Tokio, Japón, para solicitar oficialmente la organización del próximo Campeonato Mundial de Clubes.

Compeán ya tiene cita con el suizo Joseph Blatter, Presidente de la Federación Internacional de Futbol Asociación (FIFA) para ponerse a sus órdenes y a la vez para informarle de las pretensiones que tiene México respecto a esta solicitud.

México ha organizado los Campeonatos del Mundo 1970 y 1986, además de la Copa FIFA Confederaciones 1999, misma que ganó el Tricolor con Manuel Lapuente en la Dirección Técnica.

Compeán presentará la documentación respectiva de esta solicitud para organizar el Mundial de Clubes, que en su primera versión se realiza en estos momentos en Japón y en el cual el equipo mexicano América ya está en Semifinales.

El Presidente de la FMF informará a Blatter de las pretensiones del organismo de hacerse de una Vicepresidencia en la CONCACAF, en su congreso de la Confederación Norte Centroamericana y del Caribe programado a finales del semestre venidero.

Así que los directivos del futbol mexicano están muy activos porque a su vez el Secretario General de la FMF, Decio de María, ya se encuentra en Santiago de Chile para representar al organismo en la Final de la Copa Sudamericana de Futbol en la que participa el equipo mexicano Pachuca contra el local Colo-Colo.

De ahí, De María Serrano se trasladará a Asunción, Paraguay, para estar presente en el sorteo de la Copa Libertadores de América 2007, para el cual ya está calificado Pachuca como "México Uno".

El "México Dos", que tendrá pase directo, saldrá del torneo Interliga a desarrollarse en enero próximo en Estados Unidos y de esta misma competencia surgirá el "México Tres", que definirá su boleto a la Libertadores ante un equipo de Venezuela.

Decio de María también va ante la Confederación Sudamericana de Futbol con la encomienda de traer para México la organización de una Copa América, luego de que el próximo año, con Venezuela 2007, terminará la primera ronda de los países organizadores del torneo de integrantes de esta confederación.

De María Serrano considera que después de concluir esta ronda y antes de que inicie la segunda vuelta, México bien puede intervenir ahí con la organización de este torneo del cual es invitado y ha obtenido dos subcampeonatos además de un tercer lugar.

[Calif]

Creen que es una buena idea que este campeonato sea en Mexico?

[Captain Fury]

Yo creo que si,.... mexico es un pais ke merece reconocimiento y tiene muy buenos estadios

[Calif]

Creo que aparte de que es buen pais esos equipos nos traeran $$$ al pais!!!!

[Captain Fury]

Creo que aparte de que es buen pais esos equipos nos traeran $$$ al pais!!!!

Yup!!

[Jr Tigre]

Why not do a team profile on other teams like Leon, Toros Neza, and Correcaminos and all other teams that existed at one point or another. And even the ones that don't anymore and why like Oro, Jalisco, and Espana.

[Xizor]

Do you guys think if Mexico wins the Gold Cup this year it will really make Mexico be known as a power throughout the world? I say this because Mexico is playing with teams that are barely starting to grow as soccer countries, just want to see what you guys think?

[el chingon]

No not by winning the Gold Cup, we've won it a whole bunch of times. We're expected to win it every time.

Do you mean Copa America??

[Xizor]

No the Gold Cup!

Oh if we win the Copa America Mexico will be considered a great team since it's a competition where only South American teams participate!

[Calif]

No creo que la Copa America pero tampoco tendria tanto impacto Ganando la Copa Confederaciones pues esa si te pone como con mas respeto hacia el pais!

[Xizor]

For Mexico to be at a great level they will have to win 2 cups of the 3 that we will play this year!

[ArribaAmérica]

cuales dos?

[Calif]

Mexico tendria que ganar Copa America y Copa Confederaciones!

[Xizor]

Yo digo que la Copa Oro y luego la Copa America!

[Calif]

La copa oro no es tan impactante!

[kalero]

pero si mexico no gana la copa oro eso
va ser algo muy mal
para toda la aficion mexicana

[ArribaAmérica]

sí, pero al resto del mundo le impresionaria si ganamos copa america aunque perdieramos copa oro, pero esta dificil...

[kalero]

pero la copa oro debe ser
una copa facil para ganar
y acurda we q si gana es copa
vamos a la confederaciones

[Calif]

Si pero ninguna daria algo impactante al mundo futbolistico al menos que se gane la copa confederaciones!

[Xizor]

But we need to win that Copa Oro, if we don't win that will be an emberrasment!

[dannymex]

why would it be an embarrasment? If Mexico doesnt win then for sure it will be the united states. I dont really care about copa oro, if they win thats fine and itfthey lose then i wont worry about it. What they really need to focus on and win is copa america!!!

[Xizor]

But you don't understand dude, Mexico is the best team in the CONCACAF next to USA! If they do not beat those punny little Carribian teams that's what will end up being embarrasing, especially if we have an A squad!

[dannymex]

i completely understand.....

the fact is that copa oro is not an important tournament, therefore they should not really concentrate all that much on winning it! now if they win, than great but if they dont than no prob. What they should be focusing on is copa america. What really matters.

[dannymex]

they shouldnt even send an A squad to copa oro, they dont need it. They're proved they have a decent B spuad against venezuela.

[Xizor]

Yeah the Copa Oro is worthless in my opinion but still we can't afford to get eliminated in it! It just can't happen dude, just knowing that a whole bunch of wack ass Carribian teams made it farther then us makes me feel like shit!

[dannymex]

well the fact that it makes you feel like shit doesnt mean that the team shouldnt focus on more important things. Sorry xizor but mexico has better tournaments to win

[Xizor]

I know that but whatever!

No one understands me, I'm just bitch ass Mexican, what do I know!

[dannymex]

i'm glad you see it my way now :)

[Xizor]

Mamon!

[Calif]

Yeah Copa America over Copa oro!

[dannymex]

thats what i've been trying to tell little xizor over here, but i think he got it now..

[Xizor]

Of course the Copa America is more important then the Copa Oro but their is no reason why Mexico shouldn't win the Copa Oro!

[Calif]

Pues si pero no se puede ganar todo y mexico aunque quisiera no puede creo no puede mandar their A squad a copa oro y luego copa america!

[Xizor]

That's what Hugo said!

[dannymex]

well it only makes sense!

[Xizor]

Hugo Sanchez dice que Rafael Marquez no estara convocado para la Copa Oro!

[Calif]

Claro es mas importante la Copa America!

[Xizor]

Who should replace him?

[Calif]

Well I don't think Salcido might be here either!

[Xizor]

Well what kind of line-up is Mexico running, a 4-3-3 right?

[Calif]

Nope Hugo's Idea is to use a 4-4-2!

[Xizor]

Oh yeah!

They should try to use a 4-3-1-2!

[Calif]

Como Chivas? Except they have 3 on the back I think!

[Xizor]

Yeah, I guess!

[Xizor]

Is this thread really necessary, I mean people rarelly post on it? :hat:

[SiN]

Its up to u guys, maybe you should close it and just leave a brief intro on Mexican Football?

[dannymex]

sounds like a good idea. its just taking up space

[Xizor]

Well in the description I'm working on it preety much covers the basics of the NT and the League, let's see what Don Calif sais! :)

[SiN]

Sounds good brothers! :)

[P-P]

Is the topic about the game of itself?
or for questions about the teams that make up the Mexican futbol and their history? someone from another country might want to know something about them

[Calif]

Thats the purpose of this thread so people can browse through and get to know more about the teams and history of Mexico's Futbol!

[P-P]

if so, then i don't think it should be closed. I'll help by asking this

Monarcas has been the best team in the world by FIFA for the month of April of 2002.

Has any other team in Mexico had this title???

[Calif]

Im sure Chivas has had it just need to confirm you what year!

[Xizor]

Well if Calif sais this thread should remain open then it's cool with me! :)

[Xizor]

Should we rename this thread, same idea but shorter title?

[mawin312]

Maybe you could just take out ", all you want to know about Mexican Football." ;)

Looking at the first page, this info is really outdated. :lol:

[Xizor]

Yeah I guess I can do that!

Maybe we can also update the info int the first page.

[P-P]

By the way..............

Im sure Chivas has had it just need to confirm you what year!

never, the IFFHS has no record of that happening. the only Mexican teams that have done that are America (twice), Morelia, and Pumas

[Wabbit]

Woow another mexican thread??

:)

[Xizor]

This threads has been here I just shortened the thread title, here you can talk about General Mexican Soccer Conejo! :)

[Wabbit]

^Ohhhhhhhhh now we r talking!

Ok let start talking about some mexican football...bring up some topic man!

[Xizor]

Go ahead bro you start it up, you got questions I got answers! :D

[Wabbit]

True..ok fill me oout with all the info u got about the whole going to first dicvision in Mexico cause here is kind of easy

[Xizor]

Uh like I said I'm not to sure about this topic myself but I'll give it a try. A second division team needs to win a certain amount of championships to earn the right to get moved up to Primera Division. It's confusing because there are also specific teams that can get moved up or at least that's what I was told in this forum a while back. Calif could probably explain this better then I can.

[Wabbit]

^I was watching a show, and Guarddo was talking there, and then a coach from a team I cant remember said that mexican steps to stay or go back to 1º division is not easy and then the one that talks on the show said it was a mess and hard to explain!

[Xizor]

It sure is, I still don't understand the process! As long as my team saves itself from relegation there's no need to worry about that! lol

[Wabbit]

^Hahaha

hey who has to play mexico to qualify to the wc??

[Xizor]

First we need to qualify to qualify for the WC, sounds confusing huh? lol

[Wabbit]

Is there anything simple in ur team?!?!!

[Xizor]

What do you mean?

[Wabbit]

^Like theres nothing simple to explain in Mexico..u know..this and the whole going to 1º division! :D

[Xizor]

Yeah it's weird 'cause we have so many countires on this side of the World!

[Wabbit]

Hhahhahaa

[Xizor]

Yeah but most are no that good so...:thumb:

[Wabbit]

^U guys play with Central americans countries??

[Xizor]

Yeah, it's all part of the CONCACAF!

[P-P]

and also the carrabean, such as Haiti, Trinidad and Tobago, Cuba, Jamaica, etc.

[Xizor]

Yup!

So when exactly does this CONCACAF Champions League start?

[P-P]

Pachuca and some other team from Costa Rica are already on the Final

I'll have to get the dates, but the tournament is almost over

[Xizor]

No not the Copa Campeones de Concacaf the Concacaf Champions League!

[Wabbit]

No wonder Mexico's always up for the WC..those teams dont even play football...good thing!

[P-P]

No not the Copa Campeones de Concacaf the Concacaf Champions League!

what the fuk is that then??

[Wabbit]

I thought was the same thing:confused:

[Xizor]

what the fuk is that then??

It's a new tournament that the CONCACAF will create, I think it's to replace the Copa Campeones de la CONCACAF! ;)

[Wabbit]

Ok im sorry for my ignorance but whats copa de campeones??...isnt the one with mexicans and americans teams?

[P-P]

It's a new tournament that the CONCACAF will create, I think it's to replace the Copa Campeones de la CONCACAF! ;)

1st of all, that's just senceless

2nd, it would have to start AFTER the copa campeones is over

[Xizor]

1st of all, that's just senceless

2nd, it would have to start AFTER the copa campeones is over

Check out this thread, it talks all about it:
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=53128

[P-P]

Ineresting...........

[el Turco]

Im really confused. What is the CL of North America? Is it Superliga?

And why do Mexican teams (like America) participate in Copa Libertadores, I thought it was only for South America.

[P-P]

As I understand it, the CL of NA is the 'CONCACAF Champions'
Copa Libertadores is only for South A temas, but the Mexicans have been "Invited", that's why theres no other NA club playing in it

[Wabbit]

Thats quite a comparation...o.O

[Xizor]

Ok from what I've herd with the creation of the CONCACAF Champions League the Copa Campeones de la CONCACAF will be eliminated and the CCL will be the cup that will grant a team the chance to participate in the Club World Cup. Just to clear things up the Superliga is a cup designed only for Mexican clubs and American clubs to participate in, this cup is pretty much useless because you don't get to go the the CWC but there's a lot of pride taken into this cup, rivalry is what makes this tournament exciting!

[Wabbit]

^Roger that, I think pride is above all in the superliga, is when mexico faces their best sqaudas agains USA ones

[Xizor]

Exactly, I'm so excited I can't wait 'till it starts up again this year!

[Xizor]

What do you guys think about the current format Mexico has for it's league?

[P-P]

for the next two years we won't have repechaje.

It would comeback after the WC

[Calif]

we should go back to torneos largos!

[Wabbit]

What do you guys think about the current format Mexico has for it's league?

Is a mess? I mean talking about go goes up or down division and stuff

[Calif]

Yeah it sucks! i think torneos largos is better like in Argentina!

[Xizor]

we should go back to torneos largos!

We should indeed consider long seasons like in other leagues. It would definitely improve the average Mexican players capabilities! Another thing we should do is cut down on the refuerzos each team can use to like 3. I hate seeing teams where the refuerzos are the base of the team, it should be the other way around. So yeah long seasons would be great, maybe adding two more teams to Primera Division Profesional. Make it like a 38 game season with domestic cups included.....Copa Mexico! :ronaldo: What do you guys think?

[Wabbit]

But what kind of long torturaments?? I mean we have clausura and apertura as well in here!...u mean like europe???

[Xizor]

Well maybe not exactly like Europe but close to it!

[Wabbit]

So then is like Calif said, one like we have here.....divided in 2 but with a simple way to figure who goes up, and who goes down

[caruiz93]

yeah i would settle for the format used in argentina.and plase make qualification to international tourmanets simpler!!!

[Calif]

Yes just like Argentina B-rabbit!

[Wabbit]

yeah i would settle for the format used in argentina.and plase make qualification to international tourmanets simpler!!!

Amen to that

[P-P]

Question

La regla del 20/11, ¿es nada mas en México, o en todo el mundo?

¿la hizo la FIFA o la FMF?

[Xizor]

:noidea:

[Wabbit]

20/11???? could you be more especific???

[P-P]

It's a rule that requires all teams in the lueague to put players that are younger than 20 yrs 11 months for so many minutes

so that they could get experience in the 1st division at a young age

[Wabbit]

^Ohhh well we dont have such a thing in here thats for sure

[P-P]

then it must be only Mexican

[Xizor]

Yeah I think it's just for Mexico, I like that rule!

[P-P]

Yeah

FIFA should adopt and make every league have it

[Xizor]

You know the European Leagues would probably not approve of that!

[P-P]

True

they depend on big stars

[Wabbit]

You know the European Leagues would probably not approve of that!


^Neither us!...thats for sure....

[Xizor]

@P-P: A lot are in that age group but more are in their mid late 20's!

[Wabbit]

It's a rule that requires all teams in the lueague to put players that are younger than 20 yrs 11 months for so many minutes

so that they could get experience in the 1st division at a young age

How many minutes?? I mean if a kid plays like 29 minutes in one match then what does he win?? and if he polays 5 min in like 4 matches once again, what kind of experience can he earn??

[Xizor]

Well the idea is to let the young players get playing time, if they're in the bench constantly what good is it to even have him on the team?

[Wabbit]

I think youths should play games when the senior team is in a major comeptition, like here happens...when the teams play in la sudamericana o libertadores then the youths or reserva plays the matches for them...it usually works out pretty well...Boca has a great reserva....

[Xizor]

They should be able to play regardless of the situation....it's only fair!

[Wabbit]

who says football is suppose to be fair? :p

[Xizor]

At the age they're coming out in it should be fair!

[Wabbit]

exactly, should, which does not exactly measn it is

[Xizor]

Well all I know is Mexico has been enforcing this rule for sometime now and I hope they keep it that way!

[Wabbit]

Well if it helps to imprve mexican football, so be it, right?

[Xizor]

Yeah!

Even if the rule wasn't enforced we got some great fuerzas basicas, players always come out in great shape. Most become starters in one or two seasons tops!

[Xizor]

México subió ocho posiciones en ranking de FIFA
3 de Septiembre de 2008

http://www.mediotiempo.com/images/noticias/63903.jpg

*En octubre habrá muchos cambios por la Eliminatoria europea

La Selección Mexicana recuperó ocho posiciones en la clasificación de septiembre de la Federación Internacional de Futbol Asociación (FIFA) para situarse en el lugar 24 del ranking que lidera por tercer mes consecutivo España.

Luego del triunfo ante Honduras 2-1 dentro de la tercera Fase Eliminatoria de la CONCACAF para la Copa del Mundo Sudáfrica 2010, el Tricolor ascendió al puesto 24 con 807 puntos, a diferencia del mes de agosto en donde cayó 13 posiciones.

La escuadra que comanda el técnico sueco Sven-Göran Eriksson, que se prepara para enfrentar a Jamaica y Canadá el día 6 y 10 de septiembre, respectivamente, recuperó su lugar como la mejor escuadra de la CONCACAF.

Detrás de los verdes se encuentra Estados Unidos, en el sitio 28 con 788, en tanto el tercer puesto del área del Norte, Centroamérica y del Caribe le corresponde a Honduras en el lugar 60 con 502 puntos.

La selección campeona de Europa, España, lideró por tercer mes en fila la clasificación al totalizar mil 565 puntos, en tanto el Campeón del mundo, Italia, se ubica como escolta con mil 339, tras desplazar a Alemania, que ahora es tercero con mil 329.

El top ten lo completan Holanda (1295), Croacia (1266), Brasil (1252), Argentina (1230), República Checa (1134), Portugal (1120) y Turquía (1033), de nuevo ingreso entre los diez mejores al desbancar a Rusia.

El próximo ranking de la FIFA será dado a conocer el 8 de octubre, y sufrirá variaciones tras la disputa de las Eliminatorias rumbo a la Copa del Mundo, en donde la UEFA comenzará actividades este fin de semana.

A continuación la clasificación del mes de septiembre de la Federación Internacional de Futbol Asociación:

Clasificación de la FIFA
Posición/Equipo/Puntos
1/España/1565
2/Italia/1339
3/Alemania/1329
4/Holanda/1295
5/Croacia/1266
6/Brasil/1252
7/Argentina/1230
8/República Checa/1134
9/Portugal/1120
10/Turquía/1033
11/Francia/1019
12/Rusia/1013
13/Rumania/1007
14/Camerún/999
15/Inglaterra/991
16/Escocia/976
16/Bulgaria/976
18/Grecia/921
19/Israel/874
20/Ghana/864
24/México/807

[Calif]

Im guessing wrong thread?

[Xizor]

Im guessing wrong thread?

No.....anything relating the progress of Mexican soccer I post here.

[Calif]

Ok but how is that related to footballl basics?..:lol: aww forget it!

[Captain Fury]

^,yeah mejor no le expliques,...xizor es esloooww :D

[dannymex]

hahahahah eslow!!

[Calif]

:lol: Esloowww....thats funny!

[Captain Fury]

^ :D....some guy would always say that in school "ustedes son esloow"

btw,......i forgot xizor was half guatemalan :lol:

[dannymex]

is he really?
wow that totally explains why he is so esloooow. :D

[Calif]

Why? Are people from Guatemala slow?

[Jr Tigre]

is he really?
wow that totally explains why he is so esloooow. :D
:lol:

[Captain Fury]

lol,.....xizor knows were just messing with him ;)

[Wabbit]

^ :D....some guy would always say that in school "ustedes son esloow"

btw,......i forgot xizor was half guatemalan :lol:

Dont laugh Leo!!! :yell::yell:

is not his fault :Pound:

[Wabbit]

Why? Are people from Guatemala slow?

well Alejandro is isnt him??

:lol:

yeh we love you Xizor :)

[Captain Fury]

he's gonna get us back though,....just watch

[Wabbit]

hahaha Im not afriad of him taking back, plus he0s a really nice guym he wont do us anything :)

Anyways, hows Mexico taking care of youths??? :S

[Captain Fury]

i think they were doing better a while back,..............altas for example was the #1 in exporting youngsters,.....but all they were doing was business,....now it actually looks as if they want to win something and they've spent some money on players from paraguay, france, chile, etc

it's been like 57 years they don't win anything,...so yeh they're kinda desperate

[Wabbit]

i think they were doing better a while back,..............altas for example was the #1 in exporting youngsters,.....but all they were doing was business,....now it actually looks as if they want to win something and they've spent some money on players from paraguay, france, chile, etc

it's been like 57 years they don't win anything,...so yeh they're kinda desperate

yeh tell me about it!..I think every club and not just in mexico should learn something about Chivas...foregings can be good stuff, but kids are the future, and if you can eucate your owns even better!

[Calif]

Exactly Chivas is a great Example I heard that Pumas in the near future will do the same thing is Chivas don't think that they will succeed without extranjeros but I could be wrong!

[Wabbit]

mmm Pumas is all about foreigns...

America should try this..I mean they already tried foreigns and...:rolleyes:

[Captain Fury]

chivas exporta mucho, es cierto,.........pero tampoco se trata de exportar en cantidad sino en calidad

[Wabbit]

Mas que exportar en calidad yo diria comprar con calidad!

[Captain Fury]

what im trying to say es que america no exporta mucha cantidad pero si calidad ;)

[Wabbit]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

chi chi chi muy cierto eso!

[Calif]

chivas exporta mucho, es cierto,.........pero tampoco se trata de exportar en cantidad sino en calidad

Que??? What do you mean exporta?

[Captain Fury]

as in selling players

[Calif]

Mmm well Vela, Salcido, Bravo! those are quality players IMOP! But Francisco Rodriguez "Maza" He is not quality IMOP! But Magallon will leave Chivas pretty soon too he is Quality!

[Xizor]

Fuken haters over here! :D

[Captain Fury]

lol,....you read the last page :lol:

[Xizor]

lol,....you read the last page :lol:

Yeah.....bastards! :mad2:

[Wabbit]

No no bastards just haters....


:Pound:

jk

[Xizor]

He for all I know you guys could be bastards!

[Captain Fury]

^ hey,.....my dad wants me!! :D

[Wabbit]

He for all I know you guys could be bastards!

No, no no no no I was totally planed :D

And my mommy and daddy love me :nod:

[Captain Fury]

:Omar: :focus: :tariq:

[Calif]

Yes back to topic guys please read the thread title..:)

[Captain Fury]

anyways wabbit,.......you've learned alot about mexican football in SFN :thumbsup:

i think you're ready for some trivia!

[Calif]

Conquiztador Mexican Style Trivia Wabbit..:lol:

[Wabbit]

^:lol:

Hahaha Im in guys! hit me hith your mex trivia :D

[Xizor]

Quick question, whatever happened to Daniel Osorno? This guy was a critical piece to Mexico's recent success internationally believe it or not!

[Calif]

He is playing with Dorados in the Primara "A"!

[Xizor]

He is playing with Dorados in the Primara "A"!

What the hell, are you serious? What the hell is he doing there?

[Calif]

Playing..:lol: Yeah he was doing ok at the beginnig of the season from what I heard..:)

[Captain Fury]

ok,....i'll prepare a trivia for wabbit,.....you better not cheat!!!

[Wabbit]

I wont cheat :)

[Mtroyo]

Primera Division Teams.

America

Founded in 1916, one of the most popular clubs in the country, 10 times champion of the league in the professional era, by far the most hated team of the country, comparable in that sense to the NY Yankees in professional baseball. They play in the Azteca stadium in Mexico City.

Star players: Claudio "El Piojo" Lopez, and Cuauhtemoc Blanco.
Hated Rivals: Chivas, Pumas and Cruz Azul.
Colors: Yellow and Blue

What is the reason for the hatred of this club?

PS- I hardly ever watch the Mexican league but my dad does and he and I like America!

[Wabbit]

America????

No man!!! you have to like Atlas :D

[Mtroyo]

Lol...so nobody knows why they are hated? My dad really influenced that decision man!

[Captain Fury]

they hate on america(my club :D) mainly cause they're rich,.....probably more than boca,......they always have a good squad and are the club with most tittles,......they play in the biggest in the world*,.....beautiful colors, better pitch,.......and mosty cause they're the best :D

i call that envy ;)