Hey Germany, who would you rather beat?

[Ronaldinho Rulz]

To Nachi and all other German supporters. If given a list of 5 of your traditional international enemies, who would be your most favorite to gain a victory over and why?

[nachi88]

To Nachi and all other German supporters. If given a list of 5 of your traditional international enemies, who would be your most favorite to gain a victory over and why?

We are very well capable of beating any of the teams mentioned there. It is not that it doesnt happen. Lets examine case by case...

Brasil- Would love to beat them, but have no such 'enemity' with them..

Argentina- same as Brasil, but little more emotion as we have played 2 wc finals against each other.

Holland- Tired of beating them... they should do justice to their talent and come to futher stages of the world cups..

England- The rivalry between us is that of two unequals(in terms of achievements), and much more important to the English.

Italy- I personally would love to see Germany beat Italy. Dont worry guys,, u'll get knocked out by us in the world cup.. i.e if u dont lose to korea, saudi etc before :D

[soccerates]

Italy- I personally would love to see Germany beat Italy. Dont worry guys,, u'll get knocked out by us in the world cup.. i.e if u dont lose to korea, saudi etc before :D

What do you mean Korea? Last I heard they beat your Mannshaft 3-1 last December, and without ref assistance too :lol:

Anyhow, bring it ON!!!! :rockon:

We'll see how willing you are to play us after our next meeting in December!!!!! :evil:

[Maxpayne]

Chech respublic i think (the loosed to them 2 :1 in euro 2004 :( )

[RaulMadrid7]

I think they would want to beat Brazil, it was Brazil vs Germany final in 2002 and Germany lost so why not have revenge in the world cup?

[nachi88]

What do you mean Korea? Last I heard they beat your Mannshaft 3-1 last December, and without ref assistance too :lol:

Anyhow, bring it ON!!!! :rockon:

We'll see how willing you are to play us after our next meeting in December!!!!! :evil:

NEWSFLASH: we lost to Korea in a freindly, u've lost to them in a world cup.. that too twice.... against 1966 against North Korea and 2002 against South Korea.

[Lance Knight]

well i would like them to beat brazil again in the blasted finals this time

[soccerates]

NEWSFLASH: we lost to Korea in a freindly,

Not lost, but got spanked :lol:



u've lost to them in a world cup..

Everyone and their dog knows that it was rigged. We scored an onside goal that would have probably ended it but called back, and Morono was nailed matchfixing in Ecuador 2 months later (IIRC)...gee musta been the first time huh? :lol:

Anyhow, Italy and Spain were conveniently eliminated so Germany could have an easy path to the finel and face Brazil in the "showdown of two powers that never met" grand finale for promotional purposes to spread the game in the far east. Even Stevie Wonder could see that one coming.

Even you will eventually acknowledge that, but the illusion that you were actually better than Italy in 2002 won't allow you to do that now ;) So spare me your excuses please ;)



that too twice.... against 1966 against North Korea and 2002 against South Korea.

Wooopdee!! Are we going to bring up the most emberrasing losses thread now? We have our fair share, so do you. :p

[nachi88]

Anyhow, Italy and Spain were conveniently eliminated so Germany could have an easy path to the finel and face Brazil in the "showdown of two powers that never met" grand finale for promotional purposes to spread the game in the far east. Even Stevie Wonder could see that one coming.



Another of ur conspiracy theories...ya, u must be right.. maybe the whole world conspired against Italy. :D
its a fact italy played wc02 poorly. 1 win, 1 draw , w losses. dont blame Germany for that.

your capable of thinking such creative theories... its so sad ur not into science, what a loss for human kind.
:lol:

[Lance Knight]

Not lost, but got spanked :lol:



Everyone and their dog knows that it was rigged. We scored an onside goal that would have probably ended it but called back, and Morono was nailed matchfixing in Ecuador 2 months later (IIRC)...gee musta been the first time huh? :lol:

Anyhow, Italy and Spain were conveniently eliminated so Germany could have an easy path to the finel and face Brazil in the "showdown of two powers that never met" grand finale for promotional purposes to spread the game in the far east. Even Stevie Wonder could see that one coming.

Even you will eventually acknowledge that, but the illusion that you were actually better than Italy in 2002 won't allow you to do that now ;) So spare me your excuses please ;)



Wooopdee!! Are we going to bring up the most emberrasing losses thread now? We have our fair share, so do you. :p
lol are u serious, next to france italy sucked the most in the last world cup, where were u?

[Maxpayne]

lol are u serious, next to france italy sucked the most in the last world cup, where were u?
they didn't do good in euro 2004 either lol :D powerful italy could not come out of a group. actually they did something - spit on denmark player :D

[Milos_]

if i was germany i would wanna beat brazil the most because they are the best team in the world and to be the best you gotta beat the best,or holland cause there dutch

[soccerates]

lol are u serious, next to france italy sucked the most in the last world cup, where were u?

Actually watching the games unlike you. Italy made the second round unlike France and Argentina, and all the rest that didn't. Italy also had 4 legitimate goals called back that would have seen them win those select games. Did you miss that? Apparently you did. You seem to have fallen for the media propoganda. Pat yourself on the back, because it's clear you didn't watch the matches son.

[Lance Knight]

aye people here what no more agruing about WC 2002, or infact any previous ones, there is a world cup forum go argue there

[soccerates]

they didn't do good in euro 2004 either lol :D powerful italy could not come out of a group. actually they did something - spit on denmark player :D

Max aren't you the same person that said Schevchenko isn't Ukraine's best player? :lol:

Yep, thought so....

Your opinion are :crutch:

[nachi88]

Max aren't you the same person that said Schevchenko isn't Ukraine's best player? :lol:

Yep, thought so....

Your opinion are :crutch:

You cant write off some one becuase they made a mistake once.

I clearly remember you saying- Germany hosted wc54.
Was that bad geography? ignorance? or maybe it fitted in your grand scheme of accusing Germany of cheating in wc 54? I also remember you using the word 'flare' for 'flair'...

The point here isnt to put you down, but to tell you, that everyone makes mistakes, and has has many unwanted ( bad) qualities. I guess its better we look at the nice qualities in others, probably we would be more peaceful, and less confrontational.

[soccerates]

You cant write off some one becuase they made a mistake once.

Not entirely on that, but specifically because of the current comments which he never cited reasons for. Get it?



I clearly remember you saying- Germany hosted wc54.
Was that bad geography? ignorance?

Typographical error. Big deal.



or maybe it fitted in your grand scheme of accusing Germany of cheating in wc 54?

Which was implied prior to my mentioning of it. I mentioned it as a rebutal or counter-argument for your mentors Poge's use of rumors for discrediting 1934. In other words, if it's good criteria for debunking one nations victories, why shouldn't it be good criteria for others (ie; rumors and Poge's use of suppositions as evidence). What's good for the goose must also be good for the gander...etc...



I also remember you using the word 'flare' for 'flair'...

Wow, your memory is impressive :bored:



The point here isnt to put you down, but to tell you, that everyone makes mistakes,

and I'm the first to admit mine. But you're missing the crucial element of my criticism of Max, because it was primarily on his current assessment.



and has has many unwanted ( bad) qualities. I guess its better we look at the nice qualities in others, probably we would be more peaceful, and less confrontational.

You try hard at passing yourself off as neutral, but your actions sometimes contradict that.

[nachi88]

Typographical error. Big deal.
you are right actually, we expect misinformation from you.




Wow, your memory is impressive
Thank you



You try hard at passing yourself off as neutral, but your actions sometimes contradict that.
So? How is that related to anything?

a^n + b^n does not equal c^n for all n greater than 2.
Can you prove it?

[soccerates]

you are right actually, we expect misinformation from you.


:bored:




a^n + b^n does not equal c^n for all n greater than 2.
Can you prove it?

Please explain what you're babbling about now :question:

[nachi88]

:bored:
Please explain what you're babbling about now :question:

Its called Fermats last theorem.

eg it states that for any number a, b,c and n ( total no's greater than zero, non fractional)

{a ^n + b^n } -> this doesnt equal c^n for all n which is greater than 2.

Have you not heard of it before? They didnt teach that in university? We learned that in school this year. Also,Fermat (Italian gentleman, I think) died just after he gave the proof of the above, and no one ever found out where it was. And till now no one has been able to prove it.

eg- take any a= 3, b = 4, and n = 2, here 3^2 + 4^2 = 9 + 16 = 25= 5^2
so c = 5.

but in case of any n>2, we cannot get an a,b,c

is this explaination clear enough?

[soccerates]

Its called Fermats last theorem.

eg it states that for any number a, b,c and n ( total no's greater than zero, non fractional)

{a ^n + b^n } -> this doesnt equal c^n for all n which is greater than 2.

Have you not heard of it before?

Why are you committing another non-sequitur? That's like me tring to discredit you (not that it's hard) by saying Martians are Green, thus you must be wrong. neither condition is actually relevant to the current discussion.

Please try again.

You're not exactly a scholar on related logical matters as per the evidence that you keep making the same logical fallacies over and over. You must get a kick out of being antagonistic though, otherwise you'd re-evaluate your campaign here. It's failed you in about 5 different discussions.

[nachi88]

Why are you committing another non-sequitur? That's like me tring to discredit you (not that it's hard) by saying Martians are Green, thus you must be wrong. neither condition is actually relevant to the current discussion.

Please try again.

You're not exactly a scholar on related logical matters as per the evidence that you keep making the same logical fallacies over and over. You must get a kick out of being antagonistic though, otherwise you'd re-evaluate your campaign here. It's failed you in about 5 different discussions.

In your language- your presence in this thread so far is a non sequitor. You havent posted once related to the topic. You talk of logic, but I have repeatedly proved you wrong. remember the inference you made when you concluded all italian fans are bad mannered after a defeat, from a statement i earlier made. Its not too long ago :D

anyhting else, you post in this thread, non related to the topic, will be edited.

btw: you can later tell me in a pm the proof of fermats last theorem.

[soccerates]

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[Ronaldinho Rulz]

Wow, I leave for a few weeks and i come back and you two are still at it!! :lol:

well i'm surprised that it's brazil who come first since the most heated arguments come between italian and german and dutch and german fans on these forums :D

but i guess i can't be all that surprised since everyone wants to beat the best :p

[soccerates]

Wow, I leave for a few weeks and i come back and you two are still at it!! :lol:

well i'm surprised that it's brazil who come first since the most heated arguments come between italian and german and dutch and german fans on these forums :D

but i guess i can't be all that surprised since everyone wants to beat the best :p


OOOOH I can't wait...bring it on :tea:

:dance:

[philipas]

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[RaulMadrid7]

After Nachi and soccerates arguements I have concluded that Italy and Germany are the greatest rivals, and I would also like to see them face eachother because of these 2 pics:



http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6429/footballfan4ta.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/1391/soccergermany7lz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:D

[RonaldoD08]

Where is ronaldinho rulz soccerates?

Why did you disperse of him...:D. You needed him just to start another thread/fight with nachi...:rofl:

[soccerates]

Probably at work, silly Test-Checkup.

BTW you don't know that RRulz is a girl, do you?!?

I'll let her know you want her...LOL :p

[RonaldoD08]

Probably at work, silly Test-Checkup.

BTW you don't know that RRulz is a girl, do you?!?

I'll let her know you want her...LOL :p

She must be your wife then...:D

Nice to meet her...:rofl:

[soccerates]

She must be your wife then...:D

No. My wife is Croatian not Brazilian, and she doesn't have any interest in these forums. Also, I'd appreciate it if you didn't trash talk about my wife either. It's very low class.



Nice to meet her...:rofl:

Ronaldinho Rulz is someone else. So go away with your new fabrications.

[Fan]

Apparently, Germany can't beat any of those teams, imo. They can tie, but obviously they can't win. People are saying Italy sucks in WC 02 and Euro 04. Germany didn't do that much better or any better. Which teams did they beat to get to the final in WC?

Cameroon, Saudi Arabia, Paraguay, US and SKorea. One has to wonder about the luck of the Germans to be drawn against these teams, also especially when their goal against SKorea wasn't disallowed.

When Germany go against the teams that are actually good, like Rep. of Ireland and of course, Brazil, they couldn't win.
Germany is even worse in the Euro. Or maybe it was just b/c they actually had to play against good teams now. In the end, if only they had beaten the Czech "B" team, they could've gone through, yet they can't do at least that. Come on, Germany even TIED w/ Latvia.

Now, onto the question, the only "rival" I always imagine in Europe is between Germany and Holland. I don't believe they'll surpass the Dutch any time soon.

[nachi88]

Apparently, Germany can't beat any of those teams, imo. They can tie, but obviously they can't win. People are saying Italy sucks in WC 02 and Euro 04. Germany didn't do that much better or any better. Which teams did they beat to get to the final in WC?

Cameroon, Saudi Arabia, Paraguay, US and SKorea. One has to wonder about the luck of the Germans to be drawn against these teams, also especially when their goal against SKorea wasn't disallowed.

When Germany go against the teams that are actually good, like Rep. of Ireland and of course, Brazil, they couldn't win.
Germany is even worse in the Euro. Or maybe it was just b/c they actually had to play against good teams now. In the end, if only they had beaten the Czech "B" team, they could've gone through, yet they can't do at least that. Come on, Germany even TIED w/ Latvia.

Now, onto the question, the only "rival" I always imagine in Europe is between Germany and Holland. I don't believe they'll surpass the Dutch any time soon.


you have your opinion, but you surely have not been following Germany NT's new spate of results under Klinsmann. In the coonfederations, without our main backline, we gave everybody a scare for their lives. You have to be a pessemist of the first degree to not see the good performance in that cup.
IN wc02, USA and Korea both upset some major competitions, so they cannot be considered lightweights. The defense which azzuri so much prides itself on, conceeded 5 goals in 4 matches. And these goals were not ref blunders. Germany conceeded 3 in 7 games.

About us not matching up to the dutch, If I remember right, just a few weeks ago, we drew 2-2 in their home after trailing 2 goals. Advantage Mannschaft if you ask me.

[soccerates]

you have your opinion, but you surely have not been following Germany NT's new spate of results under Klinsmann. In the coonfederations, without our main backline, we gave everybody a scare for their lives.

I'll agree that Germany has played better in recent games, but a scare for their lives is abit of an exageration no? Brazil was pretty comfortable in their game vs Germany, then the Mexico one.



You have to be a pessemist of the first degree to not see the good performance in that cup.

They were good, but nothing spectacular, truly.



IN wc02, USA and Korea both upset some major competitions,

Korea had two golden goals against them disallowed. There was Tomassi's of Italy and Morientes of Spain. Both were legit. What does that tell you?



so they cannot be considered lightweights.

We'll see how they do this time around before I comment further.

[Fan]

you have your opinion, but you surely have not been following Germany NT's new spate of results under Klinsmann. In the coonfederations, without our main backline, we gave everybody a scare for their lives. You have to be a pessemist of the first degree to not see the good performance in that cup.
IN wc02, USA and Korea both upset some major competitions, so they cannot be considered lightweights. The defense which azzuri so much prides itself on, conceeded 5 goals in 4 matches. And these goals were not ref blunders. Germany conceeded 3 in 7 games.

About us not matching up to the dutch, If I remember right, just a few weeks ago, we drew 2-2 in their home after trailing 2 goals. Advantage Mannschaft if you ask me.

Germany's attack has improved, but they conceded almost as many goals as they scored. That hardly scares anybody.

Sorry, I still do not consider US and SKorea some MAJOR/SCARY competitions. Just look at their recent games, how could I? I consider them about the same as some 5th place South American team, probably worse though.

Germany tied w/ the Dutch. Yes, TIED. I've never denied the fact that Germany can TIE, I just said they couldn't win. Oh wait, I believe Germany just lost to Slovakia. SLOVAKIA!!!! :sleepy: I thought could at least TIE another game.

[Ronni]

Wow ... this time against France the 5-year-hunger wasn't that far from being stopped. But it was still an "almost" - and also a defeat wouldn't have been undeserved.

The next one is coming ... Italy.
Will Germany have to postpone to the WC this problem of not winning against the "big ones"? Won't it be too late ... won't the pressure be worse then ... or is everybody hoping to get again a S.Arabia - Ireland - Cameroon - Paraguay - USA- S.Korea path till the final? And get there ... this time perhaps Mexico?

The excellent form during the Confed Cup was really surprising, and it can be back when it's again called "real tournament at home". But still then it wasn't enough to beat Brazil and Argentina ... now there are others joining the list - England, France, Italy, Holland, Spain ... it sounds like an impossible task!

No question ... Germany has to start beating "big guns" also for the moral.
But what has to be done in order to be able to beat a "big gun"? Just waiting, hoping, praying and Klinsi's "weiter so"?

[nachi88]

Wow ... this time against France the 5-year-hunger wasn't that far from being stopped. But it was still an "almost" - and also a defeat wouldn't have been undeserved.

The next one is coming ... Italy.
Will Germany have to postpone to the WC this problem of not winning against the "big ones"? Won't it be too late ... won't the pressure be worse then ... or is everybody hoping to get again a S.Arabia - Ireland - Cameroon - Paraguay - USA- S.Korea path till the final? And get there ... this time perhaps Mexico?

The excellent form during the Confed Cup was really surprising, and it can be back when it's again called "real tournament at home". But still then it wasn't enough to beat Brazil and Argentina ... now there are others joining the list - England, France, Italy, Holland, Spain ... it sounds like an impossible task!

No question ... Germany has to start beating "big guns" also for the moral.
But what has to be done in order to be able to beat a "big gun"? Just waiting, hoping, praying and Klinsi's "weiter so"?

5 years you say. Italy hasnt won a tournament in 23 years. Holland hasnt won a world cup in emm...... the last 10 million years. These statistics become immaterial when one goes to a competition. the record will be set straight during the world cup.

And beating Saudi,Paraguay,Cameroon, USA, Korea etc, well, the Italians, Portugese, Spanish etc could do that.

Against france we were the better of the two I feel. Just we should convert chances we create more clinically. We didnt conceed a goal, and that surely is a sign of improvement.
We are down down, before the world cup we will rise.

[soccerates]

We are down down, before the world we will rise.

in a different context this becomes a very eeeriee statement.... :faint2:

[Gegen_USA]

I'm not German, but I always supported Germany - in football, on holiday, when shopping etc. I think I'd have to go for the English. The best moment ever was when Andreas Möller displayed that strange walk at Wembley in Euro 1996 when Germany beat England. Other than that, Brazil would be a nice win because of prestige and because of '02 final.

[Stryker06]

both for germany and holland, germany - holland would be a dream final. but at the moment i think moreso for holland than germany. if i had to take a punt, then i reckon if the germans could beat brazil in the final, at home, then it'll be the sweetest revenge they've ever tasted, in their long, long history in the world cup.

[WeeMan]

As a Scotsman supporting the Germans (my Mrs is German), I'd have to say the English. We get the English media in Scotland and when the 2 meet it's painful to watch them drag up '66 again and the 5-1 win in Germany. The amount of bile the newspapers spout, as well, is bordering on racisism with mock up's of players wearing WWII gear etc.

If "we" do get England in the 2nd round (which is a distinct possibility), I hope "we" tank 'em!!! :dance: :dance:

Incidentally, I can't believe how much people over here are writing off the German team already. They might not be what they once were, but as the home nation, and having watched Germany in previous International tournaments, you can never write them off......

[Stryker06]

then it makes sense to assume that they won't meat each other in the 2nd round, as both are expected to win their group. if germany finishes 2nd and has to play engalnd in the 2nd round i think few will still believe germany'll win that game.