Biggest Derby?

[Tariq]

What do you think is the biggest derby in the world? I'd easily have to say the Milan derby, although there are a lot of other big ones, such as Rangers and Celtic.

[gb1520]

the best i have ever seen is the liverpool vs. everton derby. but the milan derby is good, and of course the manchester united vs. city matches are always great. but the best international derby to me by far is england vs. scotland. they may not be the best teams always but the match is always intense.

[Omar]

Top derbies (in random order)

Inter, Milan ehehum FORZA INTER!!
Celtic, Rangers
Arsenal, Tottenham
Liverpool, Everton
Juventus, Torino

[GROBAR_OTAGO]

The biggest derbys in Europe in my oppinion are the Red Star-Partizan clash in Belgrade and also the Old firm battle of Rangers and Celtic...

both those matches however have lost some of their glory over the years(mainly in Yugoslavia though http://worldsoccerboard.cfc-network.com/ubb/frown.gif) due to the weaking of both these leagues...

[Tariq]

I forgot to mention Lazio-Roma.

[Omar]

Now that you mention, I remembered that one too! That is a HUGE derby. How could I forget? http://worldsoccerboard.cfc-network.com/ubb/redface.gif

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[Farid18]

you guys all came up with very good ones.. but did u forget:

River Plate vs Boca Juniors? (argentina)
Colo Colo vs Univ.de Chile? (chile)
Bulls vs Knicks? hehe (nba)



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"L'cileno" Farid

[Tariq]

Oh yeah, I did forget about those ones. I was only thinking of European ones for some reason! (Bulls vs. Nicks? hehe :))

[Omar]

Also Farid's derbies and Grobar Otagos I agree with.

I don't know about the NBA thing. . . :D

[This message has been edited by Omar (edited 24 March 2000).]

[Massilia2600]

Internazionale-Milan
Rangers-Celtic
Manchester-Liverpool
Marseille-PSG
Real Madrid-Barcelona
Boca-River Plate
Lazio-Roma

[Omar]

All of you here. .. I have a question for you. . .

What do you mean by derby? Same town or just major rivalry?

[GROBAR_OTAGO]

I was talking about same city teams...
but if you want major rivelries, Croatia - Yugoslavia is pretty big...

[Omar]

Anything is fine, and of course that's a big one.

[zOla]

gonna through one...
Chelsea - Tottenham, League wins are 50/50... this is sorta like Liverpool - Everton.

[Tariq]

About derbies, I think of them as same-city rivalries.

[gb1520]

that why i think the liverpool vs. everton is the best because there is more to it than just being from the same city.

[Omar]

I think of them as same-city, but they are referred to as both.

[gb1520]

well they are, i mean you could throw a rock from goodison park and hit anfield there so close. but the reason why the derby is so huge is because everton and liverpool used to be the same club. the two owners of everton had a fight and one left to start his own club, and he called it liverpool fc.

[Omar]

Yeah, I know GB. I was just saying what I thought. I wasn't contradicting what you said.

[gambine]

Milan - Inter
Real - Barca

Those are my top two picks.

Lazio - Roma seems to be becoming very heated with a lot of emotions. Screw Lazio :D

I think "the biggest derby" is a matter of personal preference. For me it is Milan - Inter, but there's going to be a lot of people who couldn't care less about it.

[ced84]

well if you are not talking about derbies as inner-city, then liverpool-man utd is pretty big

[lilphenom]

1)Inter Milan V AC Milan
2)Liverpool V Everton
3)Barca V Real Madrid


Inter and AC used to be the same team also inter broke away and the rest is history this is by far the greatest derby in the world the everton liverpool is also as big but no offense but Inter and AC has had some of the worlds greatest players ever wear the black and blue of Inter and the red and black of AC i mean


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[Prosinecki]

Dinamo-Hajduk :p

[donut dunker]

I would have to say the Man City - Man United derby, the local boys vs the rich cats and we've not played them for a few years and the first game is at Maine Road (which im going to) and everyones talking about it

[Soccer Gurl]

well this is not the biggest, but it's my favorite

JUVE v Torino

[seka]

*Clubs by state
1. Boca-River
2. Real-Barca
3. Rangers-Celtic
4. Zvezda-Partizan


*Clubs internationally
1. Galatasaray-Olympiakos sounds nice, hehe
2. Zvezda-Hajduk also a shocker

*National teams by continent
1. Argentina-Brazil
2. new Yuga-anybody from ex Yuga
3. England-Germany
4. Scotland-England


* NT's internationally
1. Argentina-England is always a choice
2. USA-Iran catched a glance, even though both suck


Must be either great and long-lasting rivalry, or same city, or a political thing (preferably wars included)...

[kingkong]

You guys forget that the most important continent in football is hardly cited in this thread: the Southamerican one (superiority in NTs and superiority in intercontinental club confrontations over its European colleagues).
How about Peñarol x Nacional (Uruguay), Boca x River (Argentina), and, by far, the oldest of them, the Fla x Flu (Brazil) (started in 1908, and having nowadays more than 400 games)?...
By the way, the Fla x Flu of 1962 (Rio de Janeiro's championship final) had the biggest crowd already seen in the world in a match between clubs: 170 000 people!...

Compared to that (Real x Barcelona, Inter x Juve, Manchester United x Arsenal, Benfica x Porto, Bayern x Borussia, Ajax x PSV, Monaco x Lyon, etc etc), are, no more, no less, than tranquil, gay, pic-nics...

[Dutchfan]

I posted in a thread about biggest national team rivalries that I think it's really hard to quantify that sort of thing and unless you've experienced the different rivalries first-hand, you can't possibly know which ones are the most intense. Even if by some miracle you HAD experienced all of them, I don't know how you'd be able to say for sure that one derby (or rivalry) is any bigger than any other one. You ask people from Brasil, or from Argentina, or from Chile, or from Italy, or from England, or from Germany, or anyplace else what the biggest rivalries are, and you'll probably get just about as many different answers as there are people! I know it happens in the U.S. concerning (and this is just one of the sports it concerns) college (American) football. There are MANY, MANY rivalries and it seems that followers of each one think that THEIRS is the most intense one of all. I really have no idea how you would be able to compare. So the best thing to do is just to enjoy your own favorite rivalry and not worry about how it compares with the other one in the next town, or the next county, or the next country, or in a different continent, because you'll never know for sure how those people feel about their rivalry compared to how you feel about yours!

[OCFP]

You guys forget that the most important continent in football is hardly cited in this thread: the Southamerican one (superiority in NTs and superiority in intercontinental club confrontations over its European colleagues).
How about Peñarol x Nacional (Uruguay), Boca x River (Argentina), and, by far, the oldest of them, the Fla x Flu (Brazil) (started in 1908, and having nowadays more than 400 games)?...
By the way, the Fla x Flu of 1962 (Rio de Janeiro's championship final) had the biggest crowd already seen in the world in a match between clubs: 170 000 people!...

Compared to that (Real x Barcelona, Inter x Juve, Manchester United x Arsenal, Benfica x Porto, Bayern x Borussia, Ajax x PSV, Monaco x Lyon, etc etc), are, no more, no less, than tranquil, gay, pic-nics...


dude watch your language and u thinking SA is better than EU is ur wrong opinion...


Inter-Milan
Real-Barce
Olympiakos-Panathinaikos(one knowone has mentions which is huge)

will never compare to yours for the simple fact that SA clubs dont have the money to hold there players and keeping these derbeys as powerful as they should be.

[Bosanac]

Visit footballderbies.com

It's a website all about football derbies/rivalries..

The top rated derby on that website is Fenerbahce - Galatasaray

[kingkong]

dude watch your language and u thinking SA is better than EU is ur wrong opinion...


Inter-Milan
Real-Barce
Olympiakos-Panathinaikos(one knowone has mentions which is huge)

will never compare to yours for the simple fact that SA clubs dont have the money to hold there players and keeping these derbeys as powerful as they should be.


Oh man,


How sad that you, as a Greek, bows to the illusory weight of "money": your own ciuntry, Greece, is a marvelous counter example to what you just wrote.
In spite of all the political strength (and economic power) of Rome, it was the inner force of Classical Greece that prevailed and literally conquered Italy.
It's a shame for you to ignore that you yourselves, as a culture, were the Pelés of Europe!...

That's why we are the eternal world champions of the world (dollar bills don't play football: ***k your euros bro!...)

[Pfeife]

Oh man,


How sad that you, as a Greek, bows to the illusory weight of "money": your own ciuntry, Greece, is a marvelous counter example to what you just wrote.
In spite of all the political strength (and economic power) of Rome, it was the inner force of Classical Greece that prevailed and literally conquered Italy.
It's a shame for you to ignore that you yourselves, as a culture, were the Pelés of Europe!...

That's why we are the eternal world champions of the world (dollar bills don't play football: ***k your euros bro!...)

What the ***k is your problem dude?

[Rompip]

The biggest locally supported in the world (because nearly 95% of the nations 40million+ soccer fans support either of these 2 sides) is acknowledged to be the Johannesburg derby between Orlando Pirates and Kaizer Chiefs.

[Rompip]

This kingkong certainly knows how to talk without actually saying anything

[kingkong]

This kingkong certainly knows how to talk without actually saying anything


Exactly, Rompip,

The how IS the what (not only when you talk about football but actually when you play football).
Southamerican football is a living proof of that: even without the "what" - or the "millions of dollars" of the European federations -, it knows, by its inherent quality, "how" to humble European teams (be NTs or clubs - check records of the WCs and/or Intercontinental Cups finals).

And now, am I talking "without saying anything", (I'm giving you numbers, data, records) you "rigid waist", or you want more "pedaladas"?...

P.S.: Now Pfeife is starting to get an idea about "what the ***k I'm up to"...

[nachi88]

Exactly, Rompip,

The how IS the what (not only when you talk about football but actually when you play football).
Southamerican football is a living proof of that: even without the "what" - or the "millions of dollars" of the European federations -, it knows, by its inherent quality, "how" to humble European teams (be NTs or clubs - check records of the WCs and/or Intercontinental Cups finals).

And now, am I talking "without saying anything", (I'm giving you numbers, data, records) you "rigid waist", or you want more "pedaladas"?...

P.S.: Now Pfeife is starting to get an idea about "what the ***k I'm up to"...

kingkong, i've followed your posts, the maradona vs pele arguements, and have found most of your arguements convincing. But this generalisation of all all european football as rich, and hence undeserving, and all south american football as poor, and so deserving is totally untrue. I can point out many national football associations in europe which are on the verge of bankruptcy.
Also, the summation of world cups by south american teams is one more than the summation of world cups won by european teams. so one continent being better than the other is not true. how many teams does South america boast of in the top 10 rankings? 2? how many in the top 20? still 2?

Also, this notion of continental unity in football is untrue. An argentine fan for sure would like to see Italy or Spain win the world cup, rather than Brasil. A dutchman would like to see Brasil win the world cup rather than Germany, and so on.

[PAO_HELLAS]

Clubs

Milan-Inter
Roma-Lazio
Panathinaikos-Olympiakos
Galatasaray-Fenerbahce
River Plate-Boca Jouniors
Celtic-Rangers
Real Madrid-Barcelona

National teams

Brazil-Argentina
England-Germany
Greece-Turkey
China-Japan

:D

[Aryan]

Red Star-Partizan
Celtic-Rangers
Hibernian-Hearts
Liverpool-Everton
Man Utd-Arsenal
Dortmund-Bayern
Roma-Lazio
Inter-Milan
Boca-River
West Ham Utd-Millwall
PSG-Marseille
Hajduk-Dinamo
Ajax-Feyenoord
Newcastle-Sunderland
etc. etc.

[brazuca5copas]

Nationals : Brazil x Argentina

Clubs: Flamengo x Fluminense
Corinthians x Palmeiras
São Paulo x Santos
River x Boca

[ScotyDoesntKnow]

Marseille/PSG
Real Madrid/Barcelona

hands down

[SE7E]

Nationals : Brazil x Argentina

Clubs: Flamengo x Fluminense
Corinthians x Palmeiras
São Paulo x Santos
River x BocaYou got it bro... Corinthians x Palmeiras, Corinthians x São Paulo and even Corinthians x Santos and São Paulo x Palmeiras are great derbies that only you mentioned. People ya'll need to learn a little more about SA football.

[inyourworld]

Celtic rangers pisses all over any other derby in the world.....people get killed as a result of it. It runs much deeper then football its Catholics v Protestants. When Celtic win churches get burned down in Glasgow

[WELSH AND PROUD]

Arsenal V Tottenham is a good one in England

[WELSH AND PROUD]

Man U V Man City is good to

Man U always win though

[valdanito]

The Roman Derby!

[Becks]

United v. City....The streets are pure madness after the match!