Away from Soccer for Greece

[poutismalakas]

Who said, Kosovo serbs must leave ????? they are minority and they are Kosovar citizens..

you see mosques all over europe now, so what is wrong with that? but Greece seem to not even accept only 1 mosque in athens.. and im not muslim, but you really have to be more tolerant and civilized right !? everyone has the right to belive what they want aight? and why not have their churche mosque etc...

u see my point..

Look I found a bunch of stuff on the Serb and Albanian in Kosovo but I decided to NOT post it since it will only lead to arguments here which I don't want. But in regards to the Athens mosque they already have their prayer halls what more do they need?

[poutismalakas]

Happy 15th of August to all the Greeks today. And the ones who are celebrating their nameday (like me :D).
Happy Name Day!!! Pao

[ARBANITAI]

Look I found a bunch of stuff on the Serb and Albanian in Kosovo but I decided to NOT post it since it will only lead to arguments here which I don't want. But in regards to the Athens mosque they already have their prayer halls what more do they need?


of course you did, so is there anything wrong with them though ?? :)

[poutismalakas]

of course you did, what is wrong with them though ?? :)
Basically that after 1999 Serbs fear for their lives in Kosovo. About 150000 Serbs faear to return to Kosovo and there have attacks on churchs and serb homes since. And Nato either doesn't care or can't stop the attacks.

[ARBANITAI]

Basically that after 1999 Serbs fear for their lives in Kosovo. About 150000 Serbs faear to return to Kosovo and there have attacks on churchs and serb homes since. And Nato either doesn't care or can't stop the attacks.

Since 99 there has not been any conflicts between serbs and Albanians, in march 2004 there was a little crush between these 2 comunities, some serbs killed 4 young albanian boys and burned some houses, and there start the whole conflict in 04, then Albanians answered them in the same way, by destroying some slavic churches and that was it.. Also if serbs seem to fear in kosovo since 1999, then Albanians feared in Kosovo for hundreds of years under serbian harsh rule :sad:

thankfully the kosova issue will end up with an Independence now and all people there will leave in peace and freedom.. Kosova deserves independence for obvious reason, Albanians were the first to inhabitt this place, and the serb genocide and ethnic cleansin against the civilian Albanian people by Milosevic regime, and even before brought this all up that these 2 nations shall seperate from eachother for allways, obviously serbs couldnt stop with killings and genocide, into kosova-Albanians, and they couldnt get along, so i think time has come for an Kosovar independence and everything will be allright again...

[poutismalakas]

[QUOTE=Hecuran]Since 99 there has not been any conflicts between serbs and Albanians, in march 2004 there was a little crush between these 2 comunities, some serbs killed 4 young albanian boys and burned some houses, and there start the whole conflict in 04, then Albanians answered them in the same way, by destroying some slavic churches and that was it.. Also if serbs seem to fear in kosovo since 1999, then Albanians feared in Kosovo for hundreds of years under serbian harsh rule :sad:
[QUOTE]
From what I read the lone child that did not die said that the serbs DIDN'T do what was said.

Also the night before a Serb was shot and killed in a Drive by shooting!!!!!!

[poutismalakas]

Ethnic tensions and territorial dispute have been a major problem in Kosovo for many years and sparked the 1999 Kosovo War. Since the end of the war, the province has been administered by the UN under the auspices of UNMIK, with security provided by the NATO-led Kosovo Force (KFOR).

Between 150,000-250,000 Serbs and Roma fled the province in the immediate aftermath of the war. [2] [3] Those that remained organized themselves into enclaves guarded by peacekeeping forces. Low-level violence continued after the war, with 2000 non-Albanians and Albanian moderates being murdered or kidnapped, presumably by Albanian extremists. Non-Albanian minorities in Kosovo were subjected to "persistent intimidation and harassment" (according to Human Rights Watch), though the level of violence is reported to have declined somewhat since the end of the war. There have also been repeated attacks on Serbian Orthodox churches, shrines and other cultural monuments, with over a hundred being destroyed or damaged. Clashes have also broken out between Serbs and Albanians in the largely Serb-inhabited north of Kosovo, with Albanians claiming to be harassed by Serbs who have been chased out of their homes and taken refuge north of the Ibar River.

The latest unrest began on March 15 2004 with the drive-by shooting of an 18-year-old Serb, Jovica Ivić, in the village of Čaglavica in the central region of Kosovo. Local Serbs from the village staged demonstrations and blocked traffic in protest at the shooting.
On March 16, three Albanian children drowned in the Ibar River in the village of Čabar, near the Serb community of Zubin Potok. A fourth boy survived. It was speculated that he and his friends had been chased into the river by Serbs in revenge for the shooting of Ivić the previous day. Unfortunately, the truth behind this incident remains unclear. It is still being investigated by local police and according to a United Nations spokesman, the surviving child denied being chased by Serbs. [4]
The following day thousands of Kosovo Albanians, protesting against the boys' deaths, gathered at the south end of the bridge across the Ibar at Kosovska Mitrovica, which divides the Serbian and Albanian districts of the town. A large crowd of Serbs gathered at the north end to prevent the Albanians from crossing. Peacekeepers from the NATO-led Kosovo Force (KFOR) blockaded the bridge, using tear gas, rubber bullets and stun grenades to keep the crowds apart. However, gunmen on both sides opened fire with submachine guns and grenades, killing at least eight people (six Albanians and two Serbs) and wounding over 300. Eleven peacekeepers were also injured, of which two seriously.

The violence continued on March 18 with further demonstrations in many localities across Kosovo, notably at Čaglavica again and also in Kosovska Mitrovica, Lipljan, Obilic and Pristina. The casualty toll at the end of the day was 28 and 600 people were injured, including 61 peacekeepers and 55 police officers. U.N. spokeswoman Isabella Karlowitz said 110 houses and 16 churches were destroyed. She also reported that around 3,600 people had been made homeless by the violence, mostly Serbs but also Roma and Ashkali. [5][6]

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Attacks on Kosovo Serbs
The violence quickly spread to other parts of Kosovo, with Kosovo Serb communities and religious and cultural symbols attacked by crowds of Albanians. Some of these locations were ostensibly under the protection of KFOR at the time. During the riots and violence, nine Kosovo Serbians were killed.

The sites of violence included:

Belo Polje - Serb returnees attacked
Čaglavica - Serb houses set on fire;
Kosovo Polje - Serb houses and a hospital set on fire;
Lipljan - gunfights between KFOR and Albanians, four Serbs killed, remaining Serbs took refugee in Orthodox Church which was attacked;
Peć - rioting in which UN offices were attacked; one Albanian killed by UN police.
Priština - all remaining Serbs evacuated or forced out
Gnjilane - all remaining Serbs evacuated or forced out
Cernica, Serb village near Gnjilane - three Serbs wounded
Svinjare, Serb village near Kosovska Mitrovica - burnt houses
Obilic - Serb houses burnt, all Serbs chased out
Vitina - Attack on church prevented by Hellenic (Greek) KFOR troops, Orthodox priest injured
Drajkovce, village near Štrpce - two Serbs killed
In a statement on March 18, the Serbian Orthodox Church reported that a number of its churches and shrines in Kosovo had been damaged or destroyed by rioters. These included:

Prizren:
Our Lady of Ljeviš Cathedral (Bogorodica Ljeviška), 12th century was burned down on March 17
Church of Saint Salvation (Sveti Spas), 14th century
St. Hieromartyr George's Cathedral (Sv. velikomučenika Djordja), 1887 housing the 14th century icon of Mary and an 18th century iconostasis
Monastery of Saint Archangels from the 14th century
Church of St. George Runović, 15th century with 16th century iconostasis gates
Raška-Prizren Archdiocese
Building of the Sts. Cyrill and Methodius Orthodox Seminary, 1880, sacked
Peć:
Church of St. John the Baptist (Svetog Jovana Preteče i Krstitelja) set on fire March 17 in Pećka Banja village
Belo Polje village church of St. Nicholas, 19th century
Djakovica: Church of Our Lord's Ascension (Uspenja Gospodnjeg), 19th century, torched along with the parochial residence on March 17. Reports of Albanians clearing the ruins of the Church of the Holy Trinity, destroyed in 1999
Uroševac: Church of St. Tzar Uroš
Kosovo Polje:
Saint Nicholas in Kosovo Polje town, 19th century
Bresje village church of St. Catherine, 19th century
Gnjilane: Church of St. Nicholas, 1861
Pristina: Church of St. Nicholas, 19th century, damaged and sacked
Vucitrn: Church of St. Elijah, burned down
Southern Kosovska Mitrovica: Church of Saint Sava set afire in the morning of March 18, adjoining Orthodox cemetery desecrated
Srbica: Devič Monastery, nuns evacuated by Danish soldiers, monastery pillaged and torched
Stimlje: Church of St. Archangel Michael set on fire on March 19
Orahovac: Bela Crkva and Brnjak village churches burnt
Vitina: Two destroyed churches, in town and in village of Donja Slapa?nica
Obilić: Church set afire
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Attacks on Albanians
Total human losses in this unrest number 22 out of which 12 were Albanian. They were killed by the masses of defending Serbs, during the unrests.

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Attacks on UN personnel
The March events include the attacks on UN personnel. Serbian Media published in TVs, Websites and in Newspapers that one foreigner (along with local staff) were killed, whereas Albanian Media referred some Internationals have been wounded alongside with Local Police. Both medias declared to have seen snipers from both sides and grenades thrown in face-to-face ingatherings.

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Serbian reaction
The events in Kosovo brought an immediate angry reaction on the streets of Serbia. On the evening of March 17, crowds gathered in Belgrade, Novi Sad and Nis to demonstrate against the treatment of the Kosovo Serbs. Despite appeals for calm by Metropolitan Amfilohije of the Serbian Orthodox Church, the 17th century Bajrakli mosque was attacked and set on fire. Another mosque in the southern city of Nis was also attacked. Both buildings were extensively damaged but were saved from complete destruction by the intervention of police and firefighters. [7] Also properties of non-Serbian minorities, such as Goranis, Turks or Albanians were vandalized in Novi Sad and other cities throughout Serbia. [8]

The Serbian government publicly denounced the violence in Kosovo, but it has focussed criticism solely on the Albanian side. Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica gave a speech blaming organised Albanian separatists: "The events in northern Kosovo-Metohija reveal the true nature of Albanian separatism, its violent and terrorist nature .. [The government will] do all it can to stop the terror in Kosovo". [9] Kostunica strongly criticised the failure of NATO and the UN to prevent the violence, and called for a state of emergency to be imposed on Kosovo.

The Minister of Minority Rights of Serbia and Montenegro, Rasim Ljajić (Slavic Muslim) said "What is now happening in Kosovo confirms two things: that this is a collapse of the international mission, and a total defeat of the international community."

Nebojsa Covic, the Serbian government's chief negotiator on matters relating to Kosovo, was sent to Kosovska Mitrovica on March 18 in a bid to calm the situation there. Serbian security forces also guarded the internal border between Serbia proper and Kosovo in a bid to prevent demonstrators and paramilitaries from entering the province to foment further unrest.

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International reaction
The international community was taken by surprise by the sudden upsurge in violence. Kosovo had been fairly quiet since the end of 1999, although there had been occasional small-scale ethnic clashes throughout the past five years and an ongoing tension between Serbs and Albanians. This had, however, largely gone unnoticed by the Western media since 1999.

KFOR troops closed Kosovo's borders with the remainder of Serbia-Montenegro and the UN suspended flights in and out of the province. NATO announced on March 18 that it would send another 1,000 troops - 750 of them from the United Kingdom - to reinforce the 18,500 troops already there. [10] [11]

The United Nations and European Union both appealed for calm, calling on local leaders to restrain their supporters. UN Secretary General Kofi Annan urged both sides to cooperate with the peacekeeping forces but pointedly reminded the Kosovo Albanians that they had a responsibility "to protect and promote the rights of all people within Kosovo, particularly its minorities".

An OSCE official in Austria called the events an orchestrated plan to drive out the remaining Serbs, while one anonymous UNMIK official reportedly referred to the event as Kosovo's Kristallnacht. The commander of NATO's South Flank, Admiral Gregory Johnson, said on March 19 that the violence verged on ethnic cleansing of Serbs by Albanians. On March 20, Kosovo's UN administrator, Harri Holkeri, told journalists that "Maybe the very beginning was spontaneous but after the beginning certain extremist groups had an opportunity to orchestrate the situation and that is why we urgently are working to get those perpetrators into justice." [12]

According to Amnesty International, at least 19 people died -- 11 Albanians and eight Serbs -- and over 1,000 were injured while some 730 houses belonging to minorities, mostly Kosovo Serbs, as well as 36 Orthodox churches, monasteries and other religious and cultural sites were damaged or destroyed. In less than 48 hours, 4,100 minority community members were newly displaced, (more than the total of 3,664 that had returned throughout 2003), of whom 82 per cent were Serbs and the remaining 18 per cent included Roma and Ashkali as well as an estimated 350 Albanians from the Serb majority areas of N. Mitrovica/Mitrovice and Leposavic/Leposaviq.




Russia and Serbia-Montenegro called for an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, which condemned the violence. On March 19, the Russian Duma passed a resolution (397 to 0) calling for the return of Serbia-Montenegro's troops to the southern province. Russia condemned KFOR and UNMIK's inabilities to stop the violence.

The government of Albania has "come out strongly against the violent actions of the Albanian side" and is aiming to calm the violence, according to Holkeri (Helsingin Sonamat).

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Reactions by Kosovo Albanian politicians
Kosovo Albanian politicians such as President Ibrahim Rugova and Prime Minister Bajram Rexhepi joined UN governor Harri Holkeri, NATO southern commander Gregory Johnson, and other KFOR officials in condemning the violence and appealing for peace in Kosovo (B92).

Hashim Thaci, the former KLA leader, "rejected ethnic division of Kosovo and said independence is a pre-condition for stability in the region." (VOA). He has also said, "Kosovo, NATO and the West have not fought for Kosovo only for Albanians, nor for a Kosovo ruled by violence...Violence is not the way to solve problems, violence only creates problems" (B92).

Since then, both leaders have strengthened calls for an independent Kosovo.

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References
↑ BBC: Kosovo clashes 'orchestrated'
↑ Human Rights Watch
↑ Serbian Coordination Centre
↑ B92
↑ BBC: Kosovo rioters burn Serb churches
↑ Reuters
↑ Albanians posed as Serbs to stoke ethnic fires in Kosovo
↑ F18 News: KOSOVO & SERBIA: Churches & mosques destroyed amid inter-ethnic violence
↑ BBC: Media fan Kosovo flames
↑ NATO deploys "prudent reinforcements" to Kosovo in response to violence
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External links
Pictures of the violence and its aftermath
News and news archive, pictures
Pogrom of Serbs in Kosovo - photo gallery
Albanian torching of Prizren
The reaction in Serbia, where non-Serbian property was vandalized by Serbian mobs.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_unrest_in_Kosovo"

[ARBANITAI]

From what I read the lone child that did not die said that the serbs DIDN'T do what was said.

Also the night before a Serb was shot and killed in a Drive by shooting!!!!!![/QUOTE]

the 3 other boys died, maybe the 4th one survived but no i havnt read or even heard anything about what you said about him..!

as I sad the serbs started it as first, by killing these innocent children, and some others destoyed some historic Albanian movements.. then of course you would expect the Albanians to do the same to them after all this mess..

[ARBANITAI]

:)

Your article is more like an pro-serb one, however there are some true thing there, I dont accept the one with the boy, because the serbs were shooting toward them, and they had no way out to go, the serbs had been chased into the river..so they died..

also there are included only the damage done by Albanian not also by the serbian side, Albanian homes were burned down in the serb area, and they forced to flee, and many were getting beated up and so on..

[poutismalakas]

:)

Your article is more like an pro-serb one, however there are some true thing there, I dont accept the one with the boy, because the serbs were shooting toward them, and they had no way out to go, the serbs had been chased into the river..so they died..

also there are included only the damage done by Albanian not also by the serbian side, Albanian homes were burned down in the serb area, and they forced to flee, and many were getting beated up and so on..
Look I'm neither Serb nor Albanian (Im Arkadian Greek) So It doesn't really have an effect on me weither this article is pro or con serb! Hell I'll be the first to admit that Greeks killed innocent Turks during the various Greco-Turco wars! What I was trying to say is that Albanians need to stop having this victim mentally "like we havn't done anything bad" ALL groups of people have done things that are considered evil!

[PAO_HELLAS]

Happy Name Day!!! Pao

Thanks :).

You noticed I want to keep my mood good today, this is why I am not involving in your coversation :D.

[Panathinaikos2]

Happy 15th of August to all the Greeks today. And the ones who are celebrating their nameday (like me :D).It's my moms name day today as well :) Happy name day Pano :D

[PAO_HELLAS]

Thanks Vangeli :). Happy nameday to your mum too.

[Panathinaikos2]

Thanks Vangeli :). Happy nameday to your mum too.Thanks :D I didn't want to ruin your day which is why I didn't comment on this topic and turn this into a huge discussion :)

[PAO_HELLAS]

Thanks :D I didn't want to ruin your day which is why I didn't comment on this topic and turn this into a huge discussion :)

Tommorow when I will be back in the usual routine I will read their posts :D.

[Panathinaikos2]

Tommorow when I will be back in the usual routine I will read their posts :D.:D

[Centarfor9]

Tommorow when I will be back in the usual routine I will read their posts :D.:lol: Don't you guys get tired of all this?

ALBANIAN-GREEK WARS

[PAO_HELLAS]

:lol: Don't you guys get tired of all this?

ALBANIAN-GREEK WARS

Well actually we are, but we have the DUTY to prove and preserve the truth.

Not because we think that we are going to change the mind of the anti-Greeks, but because we want to prove the truth to neutral people who believe easily what they read.

[Centarfor9]

Well actually we are, but we have the DUTY to prove and preserve the truth.

Not because we think that we are going to change the mind of the anti-Greeks, but because we want to prove the truth to neutral people who believe easily what they read.
Keep it up. :)

[Sandro1]

:lol: Don't you guys get tired of all this?

ALBANIAN-GREEK WARS

I dont understand that, what war are you talkin about ???
I dont think we are in WAR ???! huh?? :faint2: lol
:crazy:

[Centarfor9]

I dont understand that, what war are you talkin about ???
I dont think we are in WAR ???! huh?? :faint2: lol
:crazy::lol: Not an actual war

War as "any serious struggle, argument, or conflict between people".

[ARBANITAI]

War ??!!

Ohh no, no need for that!! I give up look :yield: :lol: :lol:

[Sandro1]

War ??!!

Ohh no, no need for that!! I give up look :yield: :lol: :lol:

Hah wellsaid :Pound:

peace*

[Centarfor9]

Hah wellsaid :Pound:

peace*:lol: well it would be a suicide move anyway :D

[PAO_HELLAS]

I was always saying that we must not get involved to this, but it looks like our pathetic government wants to mess us up again.

From: http://www.ekathimerini.com

Greece seeks Lebanon role

Navy, soldiers could be part of international force; Cyprus is also keen

Diplomatic efforts to push for an end to hostilities between Israel and Lebanon are set to intensify and it looks increasingly likely that Greece will be one of the countries supplying personnel and equipment for the international force set to maintain the ceasefire, sources said yesterday.

The Greek navy is likely to play a key role in transporting equipment and soldiers, as well as taking part in other sea operations.

Sources say that there is a possibility that Greek soldiers will also be among the ground troops that could be sent into a buffer zone between the two warring countries.

The Greek navy has already been a major player in evacuating refugees from Beirut and now in ferrying humanitarian aid to the Lebanese capital. The success with which these operations have been carried out has left a good impression with the international community and marked the Greek navy as a potentially useful element of any international stabilizing force.

Sources revealed yesterday that the naval ships are prepared for war and have been given orders to return fire if they are fired upon.

Cyprus indicated yesterday that it was also willing to take part in an international force in Lebanon.

The director of the Cypriot Foreign Ministry’s European Affairs Office, Ambassador Alexandros Zinon, said that if there was an immediate ceasefire and other European Union countries were willing to participate in the force, Nicosia would also take part.

Zinon said, however, that any peacekeeping force should have a clear mandate from the United Nations Security Council.

Meanwhile, the Cypriot Foreign Ministry said that more than 54,000 foreigners had arrived on the island from Lebanon as part of the evacuation process since fighting broke out last month.

“There is a need for other partners, all partners, to open their borders to people seeking visas for EU countries,” said Zinon. “Cyprus on its own cannot accommodate people who may not have the means to cover a temporary or longer-term stay,” he added.

[Panathinaikos2]

That's dumb. What buisness do we have in Lebanon?

[PAO_HELLAS]

The government things that the political consequenses of this will be positive for them, as they are supposed to send army and other forces there for securing the peace. Actually a lot of Greeks will see this action in a positive way. But involving in the situation there could cause a lot of other problems.

[Panathinaikos2]

The government things that the political consequenses of this will be positive for them, as they are supposed to send army and other forces there for securing the peace. Actually a lot of Greeks will see this action in a positive way. But involving in the situation there could cause a lot of other problems.What's the positive in this?

[PAO_HELLAS]

What's the positive in this?

They will be many Greeks who will approve this action of the government, as it is supposed to promote peace and comfort the Lebanese victims of the war. However as I said, I see more negatives than positives for us with such an action.

[PAO_HELLAS]

Huge fire at Chalcidike http://news.ert.gr/en/8/20132.asp :(

Many square kilometers are burning, A German tourist died, 40 people went to the hospital with breathing problems, about 20 houses and many cars burned, many towns and villages evacuated.

The fire started yesterday afternoon and it is still burning. However the situation is better now.

[Panathinaikos2]

I hope everyone will be ok and may the German tourist rest in peace :(

[PAO_HELLAS]

It looks like the fire is under control this moment. Thank God no other human victims exept the German.

However it burned a lot of square kilometers of forest land and about 100 houses or farmhouses. Almost all the forests of Cassandra peniscula are destroyed :(.

Currently they are two more big fires in Greece, one in Mani and one in central Arkadia. However they are nothing compared to the one of Chalkidice, at least yet. I hope everything goes well even if the situation is difficult as the fire dep planes can't fly during the night.

[Panathinaikos2]

It's a shame so many forests are being burned in Greece every year :(

[PAO_HELLAS]

And it is a shame that people who cause them have connections and are always shaking off. The penalties for the arsonists must be very strict :mad:.

[Panathinaikos2]

And it is a shame that people who cause them have connections and are always shaking off. The penalties for the arsonists must be very strict :mad:.It's a real shame :(

[PAO_HELLAS]

Unfortunately the Chalcidike fire rekindled. Some more houses were burned down during the night, however things are better now since the anti-fire planes can fly.

The Mani fire burned some houses too, but as I heard this and the Arkadia fire are now under control.

[PAO_HELLAS]

Russian President in Athens

http://www.ert.gr/site/news/photos/img70x70/2004/12/karamanlis_poutin1.jpg

The talks Greek Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis is currently holding with Russian President Vladimir Putin on energy issues are viewed as of paramount political and geostrategic importance. Karamanlis will then meet Bulgarian President Georgi Parvanov. A three-party meeting is scheduled to follow afterwards to focus on cooperation on energy and economy matters among Greece, Russia and Bulgaria, with the construction of the Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline being its spearhead. President of the Hellenic Republic Karolos Papoulias will also meet the two Presidents. "This day can do down in history if we do our best," commented the Bulgarian President prior to his meeting with Papoulias at the Presidential Mansion. Parvanov further added, "The political will is a fact, yet the executive has to take some steps." Papoulias replied, "This is a momentous day for me, because in my capacity as Foreign Minister I had initiated the great drive for the construction of the pipeline," and voiced his certainty that the work will have been on truck by the end of the year. "You are the living history of this project," answered back Parvanov.

The Agenda of the Talks

In the meantime, in view of the arrival of the two Presidents, Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis held talks with Ministers of Development and Foreign Affairs, Dimitris Sioufas and Dora Bakoyannis respectively. The Development Minister told reporters that this day [Monday] can be termed as momentous if things turn out well and noted that singing a transnational agreement is what matters the most. Should a transnational agreement be signed, the construction of the pipeline will start at the end of 2006. The Burgas-Alexandroupoli oil pipeline will stretch for 280 kilometres and is expected to transfer 35 million tonnes annually. Its construction will cost 800 million euros.

Promoting the construction of the oil pipeline and strengthening the economic ties between the three countries will be top issues on the agenda. As for the pipeline, the three leaders will mostly discuss the guarantees of its sustainability in terms of oil availability.

The meeting has been scheduled upon Russia’s request, which has submitted a draft plan aimed to be signed by the three countries by the end of the year.

Vladimir Putin is expected at Maximos Mansion at 3pm. Ministers of Development and Foreign Affairs, Dimitris Sioufas and Dora Bakoyannis respectively, will also attend the meeting, while the Russian President will be escorted by a delegation of politicians, leading businessmen and energy corporation officials.

The three-party meeting will take place at 4pm, while a joint Press conference will follow at 5pm. Later on, Karamanlis will meet the Bulgarian President and Vladimir Putin with Karolos Papoulias. At 7:30pm, the Greek PM will host a dinner in honour of the two Presidents.


Traffic Adjustments

The arrival of the foreign leaders has prompted the Athens Traffic Police to proceed with traffic adjustments in the city centre. More than 1,000 police officers have been deployed to patrol several spots in the Greek capital, while the city centre will remain sealed off until 10pm.

The traffic adjustments relate to streets around Hilton Hotel, Vasilissis Sofias Street all the way down to Syntagma Square and Irodou to Attikou Street.

Bus routes will also be affected.

Historic Trilateral Agreement

http://www.ert.gr/site/news/photos/img70x70/2006/9/karamanlis_trimeris.jpg

The trilateral meeting between Greece, Russia and Bulgaria in Athens on Monday, mainly focusing on the completion of the Bourgas-Alexanroupolis pipeline, was met with complete success. Greek Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Bulgarian President Georgi Parvanov adopted a historic declaration on energy, while they also decided to expedite the procedures for commencing construction on the pipeline. The relevant agreement supporting the construction of the pipeline, which will include a specific timeframe for the completion of the venture, will be signed by the end of the year. The Greek PM spoke of a very important development and a historic decision, while all three leaders referred to the multiple benefits of this venture. Karamanlis hosted a dinner reception at 7:30pm in honour of the two foreign leaders.

http://www.ert.gr/site/news/photos/img70x70/2006/9/trimeris.jpg


On the Final Stretch


The discussion during the reception mainly focused on the construction of the pipeline and other international affairs, while it was attended by the Greek ministers of Foreign Affairs, Development and State, as well as the delegations of the foreign leaders and businessmen. President Putin departed for Moscow a little after 9:30pm. He was accompanied to Eleftherios Venizelos Airport by Development Minister Dimitris Sioufas.

The Bourgas-Alexandroupolis pipeline venture has entered the final stretch following the trilateral meeting in Athens between Karamanlis, Putin and Parvanov.

The three leaders agreed on working closely in order to complete the pipeline, while at the same time expanding collaboration in the areas of natural gas and electricity.

Karamanlis noted that "the vision of many years is becoming a reality," stressing the need to make every possible effort in order to secure the transfer of energy, so as to cover the needs of global economy.

The Greek PM further underlined that the Bourgas-Alexandroupolis pipeline would become yet another channel for transferring Russian oil to the Black Sea and its construction would constitute a strong starting point for further expanding trade relations between the three countries.

"Secure access to energy constitutes a guarantee for developing our future," stressed the Russian President, highlighting the possibility of creating major centres for storing, processing and transferring energy.

Putin also supported that the energy sphere could become a driving force for advancing relations, while Bulgarian President Georgi Parvanov noted that the existence of so many alternative plans and any further delay in constructing the pipeline could prove fatal.

"It is now or never," said Parvanov, underlining that the venture has already been delayed for ten years.

Prior to the trilateral meeting, the Greek PM had held private meetings with Messrs Putin and Parvanov, focusing on bilateral and international matters.

Meetings with Papoulias

Moreover, the presidents of Russia and Bulgaria also met with the President of the Hellenic Republic, Karolos Papoulias.

Upon welcoming the two presidents, the Greek President described the planned pipeline as a "pipeline of friendship and collaboration."

The discussion between the three men focused on the completion of the venture, with the Greek President reminding that the initial agreement had been signed in 1995, when Papoulias was serving as Greek Foreign Minister.

"We wish for today’s meetings to produce specific results in practice, to the benefit of the economies and the people of the area," said PASOK (Panhellenic Socialist Movement) spokesperson Nikos Athanasakis referring to the trilateral meeting, while he also underlined that the role of Greece as an energy hub had been designed during his party’s governing.

On the other hand, KKE (Communist Party of Greece) claimed that the creation of alternative solutions for the transfer of oil and natural gas would only benefit the business groups, stressing that the employment positions would come to 500 for the construction of the pipeline and 300 for its operation.

[plato-ny]

Although you have sent numerous letters and HEC telephoned SDSU almost on a daily basis, SDSU went ahead with their illegal students' exchange. We have decided that the next step is a presentation of our case to CSU Trustees and today we mailed the following letter. On September 19th, the Trustees have their first meeting for the new semester and the secretary of the Trustees has placed on the Agenda a HEC representative to present our objection about the SDSU protocol with the EMU of the occupied Cyprus.

We will keep you posted of the progress and we thank you for your participation.

Evangelos Rigos
HEC Director

PS: Please note that this is not a HEC project but a project of Hellenism.

Hellenic Electronic Center (HEC)
Representing 35,000 Hellenes and
36 Hellenic Associations in the US and abroad
September 14, 2006



To: California State University Chancellor, Vice Chancellors, All CSU Trustees

Reply to: hec_org_us@yahoo.com

We are writing to inform you of our objections to SDSU's exchange program with Eastern Mediterranean University (EMU) in Turkish-occupied Cyprus (July - August 2006), and to enlist your assistance in terminating this arrangement. EMU (Eastern Meditteranean University) operates illegally on property seized during the Turkish invasion of 1974, when the Turks ethnically cleansed 200,000 Greek Cypriots from 37% of the island's territory. The property which it occupies is the object of a lawsuit brought by its Greek Cypriot owner against Turkey, currently pending in the European Court of Human Rights. One should also note that EMU lacks accreditation by the Republic of Cyprus, which remains the sole internationally recognized government on the island.

The collaboration with EMU makes California State University an accomplice of the occupying regime, undermines the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus, and violates numerous UN Resolutions and International Conventions. Does CSU really want to be identified with supporting illegal and hostile governments, and flouting UN Resolutions condemning the occupation and calling for the withdrawal of the occupiers and settlers? Is it really your intent to teach your students that the rule of law, ethics and morality are irrelevant?

Previous attempts by representatives of the Turkish occupation in Cyprus for exchange programs with other American Universities failed, due to the illegality of such activities. (The Universities of Michigan and Connecticut terminated the programs and returned state monies used to fund the programs.)

In conclusion, we urge California State University to abrogate the Memorandum of Cooperation with EMU and sever any existing relationship with all educational entities in Occupied Cyprus. It behooves the University to support the Rule of Law and adhere to International Resolutions and Conventions which deny recognition to the self-declared republic (the TRNC) in the occupied north, and to limit any exchange programs in Cyprus to institutions accredited by the Cyprus Republic. We request that termination of this exchange be put on the agenda for the next CSU Trustees' meeting. If further discussion is necessary, we can arrange for the Trustees to meet with a local representative of the HEC and additional signers of this letter representing American Hellenic associations in California.




California Associations and Individuals
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Ms. Georgia Stavropoulos, MA, M.Phil.
California representative of Hellenic Electronic Center




Hon. Consul General of Cyprus , Southern California

Mr. Andreas Kyprianides




Mr. Aristotle Katopodis, MBA, PMP
President, Federation of Hellenic American Organizations of Southern California

Mr. Ted Laliotis
President, Hellenic Federation of Northern California



Mr. Dinos Andrianos

President, American Hellenic Council




Mr. Aris Anagnos

Vice President, American Hellenic Council




Mr. Peter T. Triantafyllos

District Governor, AHEPA

District 20 Southern California, Arizona

Part of Utah and of Nevada




Mr. Peter Demopoulos, MA
President, Hellenic University Club of Southern California




Dr. James Demetriou, Ph. D.
President, Marmarinon Society of California





National and International Associations
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Mr. Chris Tomaras
Vice President, World Council of Hellenes Abroad

North and South America



Mr. Philip Christopher

President, PSEKA
International Coordinating Committee Justice for Cyprus

Mr. Peter Papanicolaou
President, Cyprus Federation of America




Mr. Ted Spyropoulos
President, Hellenic American National Council (HANC) USA



Dr. James F. Demetriou, Ph. D.

Past Supreme President of AHEPA



Professor Nina Ganzoulis
Supreme Vice President, PanMacedonian Association of USA

Professor Nikolaos Uzunoglu
Chairman, New Circle of Constantinopolitans - Greece

Mr. Bob Moutousidis, President
Mr. Panagiotis Tzimas, Alternate President
Mr. Demetris J. Yantsulis, Vice-President
Pan-Macedonian Association of Canada

Mr. George Reganis
President, American Hellenic Congress
Northville Twp, MI

Dr. Dimitri Pallas
President, Foundation for Modern Greek Studies
Northville Twp, MI

Mr. George Reganis
President, Federation of Sterea Hellas US and Canada
Bloomfield Hills, MI

[plato-ny]

The Nexus

- see footnote below

Convener: Eleftheriades, George Savva, OAM, JP

26th September 2006

Messrs Lufthansa

Dear Sirs and Madams,

It is reported that on 20 September 2006 Lufthansa signed an agreement on the education of pilots with the illegal so-called "Turkish Cypriot Airlines" which operates illegally in the occupied territories of the Republic of Cyprus. The agreement you have singed is morally reprehensible and violates the laws of the Republic of Cyprus and the European Union of which Cyprus is a member as well as the Chicago Convention on aviation and the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council, therefore I demand that you revoke it immediately otherwise you will face legal action and a customer and investor backlash.

It should be noted that this is a connivance illegally against the international rule of law, which respects and upholds the rights of Cyprus as the only internationally recognised sovereign Republic of Cyprus. Cyprus is an equal member of the: - United Nations Organisations, - European Union, - Commonwealth of Nations (British), - and international forums. Cyprus administers its own legislations, under which the quisling pseudo-state, the 50,000 Turkish occupation troops, the 150,000 Turk illegal colonists, and colluding concerns, stand liable to legal action enforceable throughout the EU. It is this Republic of Cyprus which was praised and thanked by all, including Germany for its action in assisting the foreign nationals, numerous of which were Germans, fleeing the war ravages of Lebanon. Cyprus equally commands respect as much as every other sovereign nation of the world

In 1974 Turkey invaded and, for over three decades, occupies Cyprus illegally in violation of over 30 exiting UN resolutions condemning its aggression and numerous acts of terror, which it had perpetrated over the three decades against Cypriots, both Greek and Turkish. Over 200,000 Greek Cypriots who made up 90% of the population were brutally raped, tortured, murdered and ethnically cleansed from 40% of Cyprus territory by the invading Turkish forces and have never been allowed to return to their land and homes since.

The quisling state which Turkey has set up in occupied Cyprus referred to as the so-called "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" has been declared "legally invalid" by the United Nations Security Council in resolutions 541(1983) and 550(1984) which also call upon all states not to assist this illegal entity in any way, therefore your agreement with the so-called "Turkish Cypriot Airlines" on the issue of the education of pilots is legally invalid and contrary to these resolutions and international law.

The so-called "Turkish Cypriot Airlines" operates illegally from buildings and lands which were stolen from Greek Cypriot owners who were brutally ethnically cleansed by Turkish forces in 1974 and have not been allowed to return in violation of numerous judgments of the European Court of Human Rights and over 100 resolutions of the UN Security Council and General Assembly passed since the illegal Turkish invasion. This land and property includes the illegal "Erkan" airport in occupied Greek Cypriot village of Tymbou from which its 2000 inhabitants were ethnically cleansed. The resolutions of the UN and the judgments of the ECHR including Loizidou v. Turkey Application no. 15318/89, Cyprus v. Turkey, Application no. 25781/94 and Xenides-Arestis v. Turkey, Application no. 46347 which demand that this property is returned to its original Greek Cypriot owners.

Under Cyprus and EU law the use or exploitation of land or property belonging to Greek Cypriots, without their permission is a criminal offence and carries a two-year prison sentence and a heavy fine. The judgments of the Cyprus courts are enforceable in all EU member states and international arrest warrants can be issued for the arrest of anyone illegally using or exploiting Greek Cypriot property including Lufthansa employees.

The only legal political entity on the island of Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus, which is the legal government and represents all of the people on the island including both Greek and Turkish Cypriots and whose authority and jurisdiction extends to all parts of the island including the occupied areas. Under the laws of the Republic of Cyprus and the EU it is illegal to enter the island through any ports or airports in the areas illegally occupied by over 40,000 Turkish troops since 1974. All points of entry in the occupied areas have been declared closed by the government of Cyprus and anyone entering through them is responsible for committing a criminal offence, which is punishable by the Cyprus and EU courts. Since the illegal "Erkan" airport in occupied Cyprus is built illegally on land belonging to ethnically cleansed Greek Cypriots from the village of Tymbou anyone entering Cyprus through this airport is liable to arrest in any EU member state and can be sentenced to 2 years imprisonment.

Airlines operating in the occupied part of Cyprus are not under effective control of the government of Cyprus and do not comply with European Union or international regulations including the Chicago Convention. They have not been registered or accredited by the Cyprus Ministry of Trade and their self-declared aviation accreditations are not recognised anywhere in the world except Turkey.

The FACTS: Lufthansa's agreement constitutes;

1.- Violation of Cyprus laws which declare the use of all ports and airports in the occupied areas illegal.

2.- Violation of Cyprus laws which prohibit the illegal exploitation of refugees property which now carry a sentence of two years in prison.

3.- Violation of Cyprus laws of trespass

4.- Violation of the European Convention of Human Rights (Right to property).

5.- Violation of EU customs regulations which prohibit the use of the illegal ports and airports.

6.- Illegal entry into the Republic of Cyprus.

7.- Illegal entry into the European Union.

8.- Illegal trade across EU borders.

9.- Encouraging the violation of Cyprus and EU laws through the promotion and use of of illegal flights, and refugees property.

10.- Violation of the UN Resolutions 541(1983) and 550(1984)

11.- Violation of the Cyprus Flight Information Region.

12.- Illegal entry into Cyprus Air Space.

13.- Ignoring the Air Traffic Control Regulations.

14.- Flying without insurance.

15.- Illegal designation of an air flight.

By continuing its relationship with the so-called "Turkish Cypriot Airlines," Lufthansa abets and perpetuates a blatant violation of international law as well as a transgression of basic human rights. I therefore urge you to cancel your so-called education agreement with the illegal "Turkish Cypriot Airlines" if you wish your integrity and reputation to be restored.

Yours faithfully

G.Eleftheriades

Convener


The Nexus, encompassing the:

- Justice Nexus for Cyprus, - Australian Citizens Committee for Civil Concerns, - Saint Nicholas Australian Settlement Union (New South Wales Premier’s Community Award, March 2003), - Socio-educational Society of the Former Athenaeum Communiversity (Australia’s Bicentennial Endorsed Activity Certificate, awarded 1988), - MACEDONIA NEXUS - MAKEDONIA THE GLOBAL IDENTITY OF HELLENES, - Hellenic Advancement Council, Hellenic Community Care Committee, - Australian Hellenes & Europe Nexus, - Hellenic Genocides, Genocides Cultural, Criminal Holocausts, International, - Britons Australia & UK Nexus, - Hellenes (Suezians, Aegyptiots, UnLtd) Sydney, - Sydney Hellenic Orthodox Nexus for Scouts & Guides, - and other community nexuses

C/- 49A Tramway Street, Rosebery, New South Wales, Australia 2018

Ph 9667 3045. gse@tadaust.org.au

George Savva Eleftheriades, OAM, JP
gse@tadaust.org.au

[Fenerliyim]

u guys can just take that shit and shove it up ur ass. Brutally cleansed the greek cypriots my ass. Greece is the one that backed a coup and took it over. Then we just responded and invaded the country and in no way cleansed anyone. If we wanted to cleanse the greeks we would have done it a long time ago.

[Panathinaikos2]

u guys can just take that shit and shove it up ur ass. Brutally cleansed the greek cypriots my ass.You clearly don't know what your talking about. The Turkish army brutally forced 200,000 Greek Cypriots to leave Northern Cyprus and to this day none of these refugees are allowed back to their homes.

[PAO_HELLAS]

You clearly don't know what your talking about.

I wish he was the only one.

[Fenerliyim]

You clearly don't know what your talking about. The Turkish army brutally forced 200,000 Greek Cypriots to leave Northern Cyprus and to this day none of these refugees are allowed back to their homes.


Srry to say but greeks dont belong there. Yes forced out but not massacred.

[poutismalakas]

Srry to say but greeks dont belong there. Yes forced out but not massacred.
AHHHHH Fener I like you BUT THIS IS A BS POST! Greek Cypriots Belong in the north and have MORE of a right to be there than those Turkish settlers do!!! Cyprus was Greek BEFORE the Turks came into Asia Minor! The ONLY people who have a right to be in Cyprus are the Cypriots, Greek and Turk!!!

BY best friend is 1/2 Cypriot and 1/2(True)Makadonian (His sister is married to my cousin so he's family too) stated on more then one occasion that he has family that is STILL missing from the 1974 invasion! I have 2 Turkish friends that I hang out with alot and his doesn;t like to go out with me when I'm with them because of his uncles disappearences! I don't like it but that is him and I respect it even though I may not agree at times.

Cyprus and the Aegean issues NEED TO BE RESOLVED! My addtitude with Cyprus is that what we need to do is basically take the US constitution and scale it to Cyprus. Have 2 governing House one based on pop. and one based on a 1 senator per area with the same powers as in the US. A Supreme court with equal Turk and Greek memebers. If a Premier is a Greek then the Prime Minister needs to be a Turk and vise versa. The Turkish army would have to leave and a EU security force would be in place for security. Cyprus would have a armed forces only a police force for enforcing the laws and protecting the people. Only 1/2 of the people could go back and the other half would have to be paid for their loss!

What do you think

[Fenerliyim]

i agree i have no problem with any greeks on this forum and i plan not to.

Cyprus and the Aegean issues NEED TO BE RESOLVED! My addtitude with Cyprus is that what we need to do is basically take the US constitution and scale it to Cyprus. Have 2 governing House one based on pop. and one based on a 1 senator per area with the same powers as in the US. A Supreme court with equal Turk and Greek memebers. If a Premier is a Greek then the Prime Minister needs to be a Turk and vise versa. The Turkish army would have to leave and a EU security force would be in place for security. Cyprus would have a armed forces only a police force for enforcing the laws and protecting the people. Only 1/2 of the people could go back and the other half would have to be paid for their loss!

That is what should happen. I am all for it to be unified but the greeks cyproits voted no last time while the turkish section said yes.

And btw if u read wikipedia that sytem u just said was suppose to take place but the greek side planned a coup with support from Greece so that is why turkey invaded it.

U said Greeks were there first but when a conquerer comes the conquered people make way and new people inhabit the place and in this case the last conquerer was the ottomans and clearly the islan is much closer to us than Greece. But anyway i am all for unification.


What do u guys think about how the Turkish Cyproit President presented the Trophy at the F1 Grand Prix at Istanbul?

[poutismalakas]

i agree i have no problem with any greeks on this forum and i plan not to.



That is what should happen. I am all for it to be unified but the greeks cyproits voted no last time while the turkish section said yes.

And btw if u read wikipedia that sytem u just said was suppose to take place but the greek side planned a coup with support from Greece so that is why turkey invaded it.

U said Greeks were there first but when a conquerer comes the conquered people make way and new people inhabit the place and in this case the last conquerer was the ottomans and clearly the islan is much closer to us than Greece. But anyway i am all for unification.


What do u guys think about how the Turkish Cyproit President presented the Trophy at the F1 Grand Prix at Istanbul?
I agree BUT 75% of the pop on Cyprus is Greek! and also Cyprus is an indepenant nation not a Ottoman territory! So Cyprus is a Nation under occupation with the occupiors bringing in mainlanders and the the REAL Turkish Cypriots leaving?

Annan's place WAS typical UN nonsense..... UTTER CRAP!!!

Also the Aegean issue needs to be resolved via International court because what ever we talk about the other won't agree! So we NEED a mediator for this issue?

Also I agree about the part of the conuqerered shopuld make room for the conquered BUT how come that doesn't apply to Israel?

[Fenerliyim]

Cause jews control the world and can get watever they want. I think israel should just be wiped off the map. And all the inhabitants will moved to a remote island in the middle of the ocean. That would solve a lot of problems.

BTW u didnt answer my last question.

[poutismalakas]

Cause jews control the world and can get watever they want. I think israel should just be wiped off the map. And all the inhabitants will moved to a remote island in the middle of the ocean. That would solve a lot of problems.

BTW u didnt answer my last question.
That IS hypocritical! The Jews won BACK their land through wars in which they were outnumbered by the Arabs. It doesn't metter how gave them their arms USSR was helping the Arabs so both sides had the Superpowers helping them in some shape or form!

AS far the the Northren Cyprus leader running in Turkey fine since that he's in Turkey whihc is the only nation that reconizes Nothern Cyprus

[Fenerliyim]

That IS hypocritical! The Jews won BACK their land through wars in which they were outnumbered by the Arabs. It doesn't metter how gave them their arms USSR was helping the Arabs so both sides had the Superpowers helping them in some shape or form!

AS far the the Northren Cyprus leader running in Turkey fine since that he's in Turkey whihc is the only nation that reconizes Nothern Cyprus


First off Britian had promised the Palestinians to have their own country in WW1 but they never fulfilled that promise. Then after WW2 they just shoved the Israelis in there and said it was israel. Its not like jews conquered it. U.N security council has more than once tried to remove israel but seeing as all 5 of them have to agree, it did not work out cause the US always refused to agree. If the US was not strong and mighty, Isreal would be long gone.

[poutismalakas]

Yes you are right about the mandate after WWII BUT as soon as Israel was created the Arabs attack as they LOST and have lost every war they have fought including that wishful victory by Hezbolia. if it wasn't because of everyone bitching Hezbolia would have been destroyed if you want create a thread in the away forum since this isn't about Greece or we can continue via pm,???

[Fenerliyim]

Do u think it was a full out attack on isreal. If any country had the guts to stand up to America then isreal wouldnt be there.

[poutismalakas]

Do u think it was a full out attack on isreal. If any country had the guts to stand up to America then isreal wouldnt be there.
First I'm sorry for bringing up this in the greek forum. If you want we can either move our debate over to the away forum, pm, or we can agree to disagree because we not going to change our views on this.

[Fenerliyim]

lets just end it here with me getting the last word

[poutismalakas]

where's your smily face?

[Fenerliyim]

:)

[PAO_HELLAS]

What do u guys think about how the Turkish Cyproit President presented the Trophy at the F1 Grand Prix at Istanbul?

I guess you heard about the $ 5,000,000 fine to the Turkish F1 comitee. That's good for you since they did not ban you.

[Fenerliyim]

yep, the president of turkish f1 race was happy saying it was worth it.

[Panathinaikos2]

Anyways the Greek Cypriot military unit, esecially the EDLYK, was very strong for their size as they inflicted major damages to the invading Turkish military. It's a shame not many people know about the stiff resistance of the EDLYK.

[PAO_HELLAS]

If we have to blame someone about 1974, it is Papadopoulos. End of discussion.

[philipas]

yia sas paidia,

Eho mia erotisi apo kati ashima pou ida sta nea prin merikes meres. Edixan meriki nearoi pou pigan sto panepistimiou tis Athinas kai kanan zimies yiati thellan na elefterisoun ton savvas xiros, o traumataftis pou skotose tosous polous. Afto mou fanike poli adikia, dropi, eshos. Pos afinei o laos na yinountai afta ta pragmatta, kai pou einai oi polites na lene OHI sai aftin tin varvariotita; Afta ta pragmatta then yinountai se politismenes hores, mono sai tritos kosmikes hores.

Eimai periergous no matho ti nomizeitai, ama thelethai;

filika...

[PAO_HELLAS]

yia sas paidia,

Eho mia erotisi apo kati ashima pou ida sta nea prin merikes meres. Edixan meriki nearoi pou pigan sto panepistimiou tis Athinas kai kanan zimies yiati thellan na elefterisoun ton savvas xiros, o traumataftis pou skotose tosous polous. Afto mou fanike poli adikia, dropi, eshos. Pos afinei o laos na yinountai afta ta pragmatta, kai pou einai oi polites na lene OHI sai aftin tin varvariotita; Afta ta pragmatta then yinountai se politismenes hores, mono sai tritos kosmikes hores.

Eimai periergous no matho ti nomizeitai, ama thelethai;

filika...

Φίλε Φίλιππα θίγεις ένα σημαντικό και επίκαιρο θέμα.

Μιλάμε για τους δήθεν "αναρχικούς". Η κατάσταση που επικρατεί με αυτούς έχει αρχίσει να γίνεται πολύ ενοχλητική. Επειδή προφανώς δεν έχεις πλήρη εικόνα της κατάστασης αφού δεν έχεις μείνει στην Αθήνα θα σου εξηγήσω στα γρήγορα περι τίνος πρόκειται. Αυτά τα αποβράσματα, χρησιμοποιόντας το προσωπείο του "αριστερού" ή του "κομμουνιστή" προξενούν μεγάλες καταστροφές σε μαγαζιά και αυτοκίνητα στο κέντρο της Αθήνας σχεδόν κάθε δυο μέρες ΔΗΘΕΝ για να διαμαρτυρηθούν για τις κάμερες της τροχαίας ή για την καταπίεση των Αλβανοπακιστανών. Ακόμα καίναι Ελληνικές σημαίες και γράφουν αντεθνικά συνθήματα στους τοίχους. Αυτό ειναι κακό για την πόλη, πρώτα για τους πολίτες της και μετά για τον τουρισμό. Φαντάζεσαι φαντάζομαι τι σκέφτονται οι τουρίστες που βλέπουν αυτή την κατάσταση. Γιατι να πεις ότι είναι κάτι που γίνεται κάθε τρεις μήνες εντάξει, αλλά γίνεται κάθε μέρα!

Οι δήθεν "αναρχικοί" αποτελούν την απόλυτη μειοψηφία. Τα άτομα που προκαλούν αυτές τις φασαρίες είναι πολύ περιορισμένα τις τακτικές τους δεν συμμερίζεται ούτε το 1% των Ελλήνων. Παρ' όλα αυτά συνεχίζουν να καταστρέφουν όλο και περισσότερο κάτω από την ανοχή της αστυνομίας! Κάθε μέρα γίνονται καταστροφές και ποτέ κανένας δε συλαμβάνεται!!! Δεν είναι λίγες οι φορές που βλέπω αστυνομικούς να τους παρακολουθούν ενώ κάνουν τις ζημιές και να μην κάνουν τίποτα. Έχω ακούσει πάρα πολλούς αστυνοικούς να λένε ότι είχαν συλλάβει αναρχικούς, αλλά αναγκάστηκαν να τους αφήσουν μετά από "άνωθεν παρεμβάσεις":rolleyes: . Η αστυνομία ξέρει και που συχνάζουν οι αναρχικοί και ποιοί είναι, αλλά έχει εντολή από την κυβέρνηση να μην τους συλαμβάνει :boo:.

Οι τελευταίοι βανδαλισμοί που έκαναν ήταν να κάψουν με μολότοφ ένα εκλογικό κέντρο του ΛΑΟΣ, μια καφετέρια και ένα βιβλιοπωλείο με βιβλία για την αρχαία Ελλάδα στην Πανεπιστημίου. Όπως συνήθως κανένας δε συνελήφθη. Όσο για αυτό που είπες, που απαιτούσαν να αποφυλακυστεί ο Ξηρός συνέβη από κάποιους δήθεν αναρχικούς που είχαν εισχωρήσει σε μια συγκέντρωση μαθητών (όποτε γίνεται ειρηνική απεργία ή διαδήλωση, οι αναρχικοί μπαίνουν και αυτοί μέσα και αρχίζουν τις φασαρίες).

Το ότι αυτοί οι χούλιγκαν έχουν την πλήρη ανοχή και της αστυνομίας ΕΙΝΑΙ ΔΕΔΟΜΕΝΟ. Το μόνο που σηκώνει σκέψεις είναι το γιατί και το ποιοί κρύβονται πίσω από όλα αυτά.

Αν θέλεις τη γνώμη μου για το ποιός κρύβεται πίσω από αυτούς, θα στο πω καθαρά: Οι δήθεν "αναρχικοί" είναι απλοί πρεζάκηδες που κάνουν βανδαλισμούς καθοδηγούμενοι από παρακρατικούς φασίστες και πράκτωρες των μυστικών υπηρεσιών. Ποιός είναι ο σκοπός τους; Να διχάσουν και να αποβλακώσουν το λαό, να αποδυναμώσουν την εθνική του συνείδηση και να κάνουν την Ελλάδα δήθεν παγκοσμιοποιημένη και πολυπολιτισμική. Αυτοί που δήθεν είναι κατά της εξουσίας, είναι στην ουσία τα τσιράκια αυτών που έχουν την εξουσία. Δεν έχουν καταφέρει ακόμα να δικάσουν το λαό και δεν νομίζω ότι θα τα καταφέρουν. Αργά ή γρήγορα ο λαός θα ξυπνήσει και θα απαιτήσει από την πολιτεία που τους υποθάλπτει, να σταματήσει αυτή η κατάσταση.

Το θέμα σηκώνει πολύ συζήτηση... Ήμουν όσο πιό σύντομος γινόταν :).

[Fenerliyim]

well i dunno wat u guys said but here is a statement from Ankara today saying that greek planes were harrasing our planes again

Türk jetlerine Yunan tacizi


Genelkurmay Başkanlığı, Ege Denizi'nde uluslararası hava sahasında eğitim uçuşu yapan Türk F-16'larının 3 kez, Deniz Kuvvetleri’ne ait CASA uçağının da Dalaman'ın güneyinde 1 kez tacize uğradığını bildirdi.

Genelkurmay Başkanlığı’nın internet sitesinde yer alan açıklamada, Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı’nın uluslararası hava sahasını kullanarak İncirlik'ten Antalya'ya giden CASA uçağının uçuş rotasının, Dalaman'ın güneyinde kalan bölgede, Yunanistan'ın Kastellion meydanından kalkan 2 adet F-16 uçağı tarafından dün saat 15.37'de taciz edilmeye çalışıldığı belirtildi. Açıklamada, “Ancak Türk Hava Kuvvetleri’nin Dalaman Meydanından kalkan 2 adet F-16 uçağıyla bu taciz önlenmiştir.” denildi. Genelkurmay Başkanlığı, Ege Denizi'nin uluslararası hava sahasında planlı eğitim uçuşu yapan Türk Hava Kuvvetlerine ait F-16 uçaklarının uçuş rotalarının da önceki gün Yunan uçakları tarafından 3 kez taciz edildiğini de açıkladı. Ankara, aa

[PAO_HELLAS]

We don't know Turkish.

[Fenerliyim]

i know u dont so i gave a brief summary up there. here is an english article from a chinese newspaper.

Turkey accuses Greek planes of harassing Turkish jets over Aegean

The Turkish General Staff on Friday accused Greek fighter jets of harassing a Turkish military plane squadron within international airspace over the Aegean Sea, the semi-official Anatolia news agency reported.

The General Staff said in a statement that a Turkish F-16 squadron, which was on a training mission, was harassed three times on Thursday by a group of Greek fighter jets in international airspace over the Aegean Sea.

The statement said that the Greek jets, which flew in double formation in all three incidents, were airborne from airfields in Skyros, Tanagra and Limni, respectively.

In May, Turkish and Greek F-16 jet fighters collided over the Aegean Sea as they shadowed each other in disputed airspace.

Turkish and Greek military planes from time to time harass each other over the Aegean Sea due to disagreement over Greece's claims for extension of its national airspace to 16 km, but Turkey recognizes only 10 km the same distance as territorial waters.

and here is a greek article

Greek jets hassled us, Turks say
Turkey’s military said yesterday that Greek warplanes harassed Turkish jets three times during training exercises conducted in international air space over the Aegean Sea.

The military, in a statement posted on its website, said an F-16 jet was harassed by two Greek Mirage warplanes in an area northwest of the Greek island of Chios on Thursday.

This was followed by a similar incident northwest of the island of Lesvos, further north, later in the day and another alleged harassment near Chios, the military said.

In Greece, air force spokesman Colonel Ioannis Papageorgiou said “a large number” of Turkish aircraft entered the so-called Athens Flight Information region on Thursday without first submitting flight plans and Greek fighters were scrambled to identify the aircraft.

“This is carried out according to international regulations. If the aircraft enter Greek air space they are intercepted,” he said.

Claims and counterclaims of harassment between the two neighbors are not unusual. (AP)

[PAO_HELLAS]

Dogfights between Greek and Turkish pilots are happening every day in the Aegean. I can't see something new here. It is also generally acceptable that most of the time these dogfights are the result of Greek FIR violation by the Turkish pilots.

[philipas]

Φίλε Φίλιππα θίγεις ένα σημαντικό και επίκαιρο θέμα.

Μιλάμε για τους δήθεν "αναρχικούς". Η κατάσταση που επικρατεί με αυτούς έχει αρχίσει να γίνεται πολύ ενοχλητική. Επειδή προφανώς δεν έχεις πλήρη εικόνα της κατάστασης αφού δεν έχεις μείνει στην Αθήνα θα σου εξηγήσω στα γρήγορα περι τίνος πρόκειται. Αυτά τα αποβράσματα, χρησιμοποιόντας το προσωπείο του "αριστερού" ή του "κομμουνιστή" προξενούν μεγάλες καταστροφές σε μαγαζιά και αυτοκίνητα στο κέντρο της Αθήνας σχεδόν κάθε δυο μέρες ΔΗΘΕΝ για να διαμαρτυρηθούν για τις κάμερες της τροχαίας ή για την καταπίεση των Αλβανοπακιστανών. Ακόμα καίναι Ελληνικές σημαίες και γράφουν αντεθνικά συνθήματα στους τοίχους. Αυτό ειναι κακό για την πόλη, πρώτα για τους πολίτες της και μετά για τον τουρισμό. Φαντάζεσαι φαντάζομαι τι σκέφτονται οι τουρίστες που βλέπουν αυτή την κατάσταση. Γιατι να πεις ότι είναι κάτι που γίνεται κάθε τρεις μήνες εντάξει, αλλά γίνεται κάθε μέρα!

Οι δήθεν "αναρχικοί" αποτελούν την απόλυτη μειοψηφία. Τα άτομα που προκαλούν αυτές τις φασαρίες είναι πολύ περιορισμένα τις τακτικές τους δεν συμμερίζεται ούτε το 1% των Ελλήνων. Παρ' όλα αυτά συνεχίζουν να καταστρέφουν όλο και περισσότερο κάτω από την ανοχή της αστυνομίας! Κάθε μέρα γίνονται καταστροφές και ποτέ κανένας δε συλαμβάνεται!!! Δεν είναι λίγες οι φορές που βλέπω αστυνομικούς να τους παρακολουθούν ενώ κάνουν τις ζημιές και να μην κάνουν τίποτα. Έχω ακούσει πάρα πολλούς αστυνοικούς να λένε ότι είχαν συλλάβει αναρχικούς, αλλά αναγκάστηκαν να τους αφήσουν μετά από "άνωθεν παρεμβάσεις":rolleyes: . Η αστυνομία ξέρει και που συχνάζουν οι αναρχικοί και ποιοί είναι, αλλά έχει εντολή από την κυβέρνηση να μην τους συλαμβάνει :boo:.

Οι τελευταίοι βανδαλισμοί που έκαναν ήταν να κάψουν με μολότοφ ένα εκλογικό κέντρο του ΛΑΟΣ, μια καφετέρια και ένα βιβλιοπωλείο με βιβλία για την αρχαία Ελλάδα στην Πανεπιστημίου. Όπως συνήθως κανένας δε συνελήφθη. Όσο για αυτό που είπες, που απαιτούσαν να αποφυλακυστεί ο Ξηρός συνέβη από κάποιους δήθεν αναρχικούς που είχαν εισχωρήσει σε μια συγκέντρωση μαθητών (όποτε γίνεται ειρηνική απεργία ή διαδήλωση, οι αναρχικοί μπαίνουν και αυτοί μέσα και αρχίζουν τις φασαρίες).

Το ότι αυτοί οι χούλιγκαν έχουν την πλήρη ανοχή και της αστυνομίας ΕΙΝΑΙ ΔΕΔΟΜΕΝΟ. Το μόνο που σηκώνει σκέψεις είναι το γιατί και το ποιοί κρύβονται πίσω από όλα αυτά.

Αν θέλεις τη γνώμη μου για το ποιός κρύβεται πίσω από αυτούς, θα στο πω καθαρά: Οι δήθεν "αναρχικοί" είναι απλοί πρεζάκηδες που κάνουν βανδαλισμούς καθοδηγούμενοι από παρακρατικούς φασίστες και πράκτωρες των μυστικών υπηρεσιών. Ποιός είναι ο σκοπός τους; Να διχάσουν και να αποβλακώσουν το λαό, να αποδυναμώσουν την εθνική του συνείδηση και να κάνουν την Ελλάδα δήθεν παγκοσμιοποιημένη και πολυπολιτισμική. Αυτοί που δήθεν είναι κατά της εξουσίας, είναι στην ουσία τα τσιράκια αυτών που έχουν την εξουσία. Δεν έχουν καταφέρει ακόμα να δικάσουν το λαό και δεν νομίζω ότι θα τα καταφέρουν. Αργά ή γρήγορα ο λαός θα ξυπνήσει και θα απαιτήσει από την πολιτεία που τους υποθάλπτει, να σταματήσει αυτή η κατάσταση.

Το θέμα σηκώνει πολύ συζήτηση... Ήμουν όσο πιό σύντομος γινόταν :). katalava file. efharisto. elpizo na stamatisi i katastasi.
I ellada einai enas paradisos kai den prepei na'finoume kanenas na tin katastepsi.

Fenerlyn, usually when these accusations come out it's because the Turkish government wants to deflect the REAL problems happening internally and stir nationalist bullshit. Remember a Greek pilot died earlier this year because of Turkey's military games. If the Turks respect Greece's airspace, none of this would happen.

PEACE in the Aegean and everywhere in the world.

[Fenerliyim]

but u guys claim more than wat really is urs.


Yurtta Sulh, Cihanda Sulh

That turkey's national motto

Peace at home, peace in the world.

[PAO_HELLAS]

katalava file. efharisto. elpizo na stamatisi i katastasi.
I ellada einai enas paradisos kai den prepei na'finoume kanenas na tin katastepsi.



Ελπίζω να κατάλαβες και γιατί διαφωνώ μαζί σου περι "πολυπολιτισμικότητας". Οι ίδιοι που αποκαλούν τους εαυτούς τους "προοδευτικούς" και προωθούν την "πολυπολιτισμικότητα" στην Ελλάδα είναι αυτοί που δημιουργούν αυτά τα προβλήματα.

but u guys claim more than wat really is urs.


Can you be more specific? When you talk with generalities it looks like you don't have a clear idea about the issue.

[Panathinaikos2]

but u guys claim more than wat really is urs.Do you even know about the history of the dog fights between Greece and Turkey? Like PAO HELLAS said it seems like you don't have a clear understanding about this issue.

[PAO_HELLAS]

I am not surprised since he lives in the USA, but he should be more cautious.

[PAO_HELLAS]

Results of the provincional and mayoral elections, which took place on Sunday:

Provincial Elections

Athens-Piraeus
Foteini Gennimata – 43,41%

Aetolia and Acarnania
Euthimios Sokos – 47,39%

Eastern Attica
Leonidas Kouris – 54,49%

Argolis
Vaseilios Sotiropoulos – 46,16%

Arcadia
Dimitirios Constantopoulos – 39,42%
Rovertos Spyropoulos – 37,81%

Arta
Georgios Papavasileiou – 49,49%

Achaea
Dimitrios Katsikopoulos – 50,19%

Boeotia
Clearchos Pergantas – 52,77%

Grevena
Demosthenes Kouptsides – 48,43%

Drama-Kavala-Xanthi
Constantinos Tatsis – 56,26%

Western Attica
Aristeides Arkouradis – 48,29%

Dodecanese
Ioannis Machairides – 55,79%

Evros-Rodope
Georgios Minopoulos – 49,97%

Euboea
Athanasios Bouradas – 42,73%

Eurytania
Constantinos Contogeorgos – 51,48%

Zakynthos
Dionysios Gasparos – 43,91%

Elia
Charalambos Kafyras – 50,91%

Emathia
Constantinos Karapanagiotides – 42,48%

Heraklion
Evagelia Schoinaraki Iliaki – 62,17%

Thesprotia
Vaseilios Giogakas – 52,30%

Thessaloniki
Panagiotis Psomiades – 48,20%

Ioannina
Alexandros Kachrimanis – 53,95%

Karditsa
Vaseilios Anagnostopoulos – 36,78%
Fotios Alexakis – 31,08%

Kastoria
Constantinos Liantsis – 52,96 %

Kerkyra
Stephanos Penintarchou Poulimenos – 42,42%,

Kephalonia
Dionysios Georgatos 30,58%
Alexandros Parisis 25,36%

Kilkis
Evangelos Balaskas – 43,85%

Kozani
Georgios Dakis – 44,88%

Corinthia
Nikolaos Tagaras – 51,97%

Cyclades
Dimitrios Bailas – 49,70%

Laconia
Constantinos Fourkas – 67,45

Larissa
Loukas Katsaros – 49,61%

Lasithi
Antonios Stratakis – 53,36%

Lesbos
Pavlos Voyatzis – 48,31%

Lefkada
Constantinos Aravanis – 41,56%

Magnesia
Ioannis Printzos - 39,73%
Apostolos Papatolias – 34,81%

Messenia
Dimitrios Drakos – 51,26%

Pella
Michael Karamanis – 48,50%

Pieria
Georgios Papastergiou – 49,29%

Preveza
Vaseilios Ioannou – 52,21%

Rethimno
Georgios Papadakis – 59,26%

Samos
Emmanouil Karlas – 48,08%

Serres
Constantinos Papapanagiotou – 37,14%
Stephanos Fotiades – 36,24%

Trikala
Elias Vlachogiannis – 54,86%

Fthiotida
Athanasios Cheimaras – 52,48%

Florina
Ioannis Voskopoulos – 51,41%

Fokida
Nikolaos Fousekis – 56,64%

Chalkidike
Asterios Zografos – 46,64%

Chania
Grigorios Archontakis – 34,64%
Georgios Tzanakakis – 31,87%

Chios
Polydoros Lambrinoudis – 56,11%



Mayoral Elections

(Only the most important cities)


Athens
Nikitas Kaklamanis – 46,07%

Piraeus
Panagiotis Fasoulas – 45,09%

Thessaloniki
Vaseilios Papageorgopoulos – 41,43%
Chrysi Arapoglu - 21,60%

Patras
Andreas Fouras – 34,73%
Evangelos Floratos – 34,06%

Herakleon
Ioannis Kourakis – 72,76%

Volos
Alexandros Voulgaris – 43,35%

Larissa
Constantinos Tzanakoulis – 42,52%

Ioannina
Nikolaos Gontas – 47,37%

The ones who accumulated a percentage higher than 42%, were elected. Where the percentage of the first canditate is lower than that, the elections go at the second round (next Sunday) were they will be only the two first canditates. That's why I am posting both the names of the two first canditates if the percentage of the first is lower than 42%.

[Centarfor9]

The ones who accumulated a percentage higher than 42%, were elected. Where the percentage of the first canditate is lower than that, the elections go at the second round (next Sunday) were they will be only the two first canditates. That's why I am posting both the names of the two first canditates if the percentage of the first is lower than 42%.
I feel bad for those who got 41%. :lol:

How did you vote??

[PAO_HELLAS]

I feel bad for those who got 41%. :lol:

Yeah, that's a real damper :lol:.

How did you vote??

We vote at the city/municipality we are subscriped as citizents. Personally I am subscribed in the West suburbs of Athens.

Voting takes place in schools for all the citizents. We have to learn from the phone or from the internet in which school we have to go and then we go there during the elections day. There they give us the voting papers and we enter a closed room were we have to put the voting paper we want in an envelope. Then we exit the room and we throw the closed envelope in the poll box. This happens in almost all the schools during the election day.

In Greece we have two kinds of elections: Mayoral/Provincial elections and Governmental elections. Both types are taking place every 4 years. The current elections are mayoral/provincional elections, where we have to vote for the mayor of our municipality and for the leader of our province (state). The governmental elections will take place in 2008.

I think I was informative :).

[Greek_miracle]

I wish we had a second round

[PAO_HELLAS]

More detailed results, only for the top cities and provinces:

ATHENS MAYORAL ELECTIONS
Nikitas Kaklamanis – 46,05%
Constantinos Skandalides – 28,84%
Alexios Tsipras – 10,51%
Spyridon Chalvatzis – 8,77%
Demosthenes Vergis – 1,43%
Anastasios Krommydas – 1,39%
Dimitrios Zafeiropoulos – 1,34%
Angelos Chagios – 1,13%
Emmanouil Kaligiannis – 0,53%


PIRAEUS MAYORAL ELECTIONS
Panagiotis Fasoulas – 45,20%
Christos Agrapides – 32,03%
Theodoros Dritsas – 6,42%
Elpida Pantelaki – 6,13%
Panagiotis Melas – 5,59%
Nikolaos Legakis – 3,41%
Antonios Tsiknas – 1,22%

THESSALONIKI MAYORAL ELECTIONS
Vaseilios Papageorgopoulos – 41,43%
Chrysi Arapoglu – 21,60%
Ioannis Boutaris – 15,97%
Georgios Karatzaferis – 7,50%
Agapios Sachinis – 7,43%
Anastasios Kourakis – 5,06%
Athanasios Agapetos – 1,00%

ATHENS-PIRAEUS PROVINCIAL ELECTIONS
Foteini Gennimata – 43,39%
Argyrios Dinopoulos – 33,81%
Georgios Mavrikos – 10,57%
Ioannis Panousis – 5,71%
Evangelos Papadopoulos – 3,84%
Athanasios Tsirigotes – 1,34%
Constantinos Spanopoulos – 1,33%

THESSALONIKI PROVINCIAL ELECTIONS
Panagiotis Psomiades – 48,20%
Paraskevi Patoulidou – 30,66%
Ioannis Ziogas – 5,85%
Michail Tremopoulos – 4,59%
Eustratios Plomarites – 3,47%
Dimitrios Tsipides – 2,69%
Marianna Brekasi – 2,30%
Charilaos Papageorgiou – 2,23%

[Greek_miracle]

What happened in the municipality of Piraeus makes me worry... Apart from any preference to any party, voting for someone like Fasoulas is ridiculous

[PAO_HELLAS]

What happened in the municipality of Piraeus makes me worry... Apart from any preference to any party, voting for someone like Fasoulas is ridiculous

They used other creteria instead of political ones. Unfortunately they are many polititians with less abilities than Fasoulas the Greeks use to vote :sad: .

[Greek_miracle]

Sure, it's not only Fasoulas.. But he is totally uncultivated

[plato-ny]

Cyprus vows to find out authenticity of report on missing Greek Cypriots

Cypriot Foreign Minister George Lillikas described on Monday in Nicosia that the finding of a report on the fate of Greek Cypriots missing since the 1974 Turkish military intervention as "shocking," vowing to find out the authenticity of it.

Speaking at the parliament, Lillikas said that the government was to get the report and do its utmost to find out if it was correct before making its position on the issue known to the world.

The report, drawn by a U.S. company specializing in defense and foreign affairs strategic policy study, was published in Sunday's edition of Cypriot daily "Phileleftheros" (Liberal).

According to the report, the Greek Cypriot and Greek people missing since the 1974 Turkish military intervention of Cyprus were used as human guinea-pigs in experiments in the Turkish military's biochemical laboratories between 1984 and 1988.

"It is a human tragedy with many families of the missing persons involved, who suffer a lot more when such reports are published. Therefore we have to be very careful before we announce our positions," Lillikas said.

Cyprus has been divided along the ethnic line since 1974 when Turkey militarily intervened and occupied the north of Cyprus following a coup by a group of Greek officers.

The Greek Cypriots claimed over 1,500 people were still missing while the Turkish Cypriots said some 500 were missing during the 1963-1964 inter-communal fighting and the war in 1974.

The Cypriot government has called upon the international community to cooperate and take necessary political and humanitarian measures to help deal with the issue of the missing Cypriots.

[plato-ny]

The History Channel, in USA, is broadcasting a series of episodes involving great empires. They will be repeated. Two of them involve Greece:

Engineering an Empire: Greece
Airs on Monday, October 16 at 9:00 PM

Western Civilization has been influenced by many cultures, but it was born in Ancient Greece. The Ancient Greeks laid a foundation that has supported nearly 3000 years of European history. Philosophers like Aristotle and Socrates, Olympian gods, the beginnings of democracy and great conquering armies can be attributed to the Ancient Greeks. This strong and charismatic people strategically harnessed the materials and people around them to create the most advanced technological feats the world had ever seen. From The Tunnel of Samos: a mile-long aqueduct dug through a large mountain of solid limestone, to Agamemnon's Tomb, to The Parthenon, we will examine the architecture and infrastructure engineered by the Greek Empire. Peter Weller hosts.


Engineering An Empire: Greece: Age of Alexander
Airs on Monday, October 23 at 9:00 PM

In 438 BC the Parthenon was completed. This masterpiece is the crowning achievement for the Greek people. Without Alexander the Great, it is possible Greece's Golden Era would have been just a footnote in history. Tens of thousands would die during Alexander's relentless attacks on Persia and Egypt, yet, his armies carried Greek life, culture and values far abroad and this empire became known as the "Hellenistic" world. Greece's amazing engineering achievements and ideas are still with us today.

The dvd's of both read like this:

Join Peter Weller in this exciting, informative examination of the timeless engineering feats that helped define the bedrock society of Western history: Ancient Greece.

This follow-up to the critically acclaimed ROME: ENGINEERING AN EMPIRE turns the same analytical lens on the society that was itself the inspiration for Roman accomplishment. At the time of Alexander the Great's death, his empire stretched from Egypt to India, and Hellenistic principles spanned the globe. From architecture to government, from philosophy to athletics, the influence of the Classical Greeks is still felt to this day.

The Ancient Greeks strategically harnessed the materials and people around them to create the most advanced technological feats the world had ever seen. In Part One of the series, GREECE, examine the architecture and infrastructure engineered by the Greek Empire: from The Tunnel of Samos: a mile-long aqueduct dug through a large mountain of solid limestone, to Agamemnon's Tomb, to The Parthenon. In Part Two, GREECE: AGE OF ALEXANDER, follow the great conqueror's sweep across continents and discover the engineering marvels that enabled the creation of the world's first superpower.

Begin your own personal renaissance with this exceptional DVD tour of the engineering marvels of Ancient Greece.

[Fenerliyim]

Cyprus vows to find out authenticity of report on missing Greek Cypriots

Cypriot Foreign Minister George Lillikas described on Monday in Nicosia that the finding of a report on the fate of Greek Cypriots missing since the 1974 Turkish military intervention as "shocking," vowing to find out the authenticity of it.

Speaking at the parliament, Lillikas said that the government was to get the report and do its utmost to find out if it was correct before making its position on the issue known to the world.

The report, drawn by a U.S. company specializing in defense and foreign affairs strategic policy study, was published in Sunday's edition of Cypriot daily "Phileleftheros" (Liberal).

According to the report, the Greek Cypriot and Greek people missing since the 1974 Turkish military intervention of Cyprus were used as human guinea-pigs in experiments in the Turkish military's biochemical laboratories between 1984 and 1988.

"It is a human tragedy with many families of the missing persons involved, who suffer a lot more when such reports are published. Therefore we have to be very careful before we announce our positions," Lillikas said.

Cyprus has been divided along the ethnic line since 1974 when Turkey militarily intervened and occupied the north of Cyprus following a coup by a group of Greek officers.

The