Fenerbahce History

[Refeto]

I think people might be intrested to learn about Fenerbahce's history:



Fenerbahçe was founded nearly a century ago in the province of Kadýköy in Istanbul. The founders were Mr. Nurizade Ziya Songülen, Mr. Ayetullah and Mr. Necip Okaner. This group of individuals founded the club secretly in order to keep a low profile and not get into any trouble with the strict Ottoman rule. So strict in fact that the Sultan, Abdulhamit the 2nd, forbid that the Turkish youth may not set up a club nor engage in the game of football played by the English families that was watched in envy.

After the first meeting of the founders however, Nurizade Ziya Songülen is elected the first President, whilst Mr. Ayetullah is the General Secretary and Mr Necip Okaner assumes General Captaincy. The first emblem of the club is the Lighthouse which is situated on Fenerbahçe cape whilst the first colours of the club are the colours of the daffodils, white and yellow, scattered around the Fenerbahçe peninsula. The emblem and colours were to be changed in 1910 when the badge was redesigned by Topuz Hikmet and the colours were changed as Yellow and Navy.

Until a change of legislation in 1908, Fenerbahçe’s activities are run under strict secrecy. After this date however, the new law requires that clubs must register in order to exist legally. From that day on, the club was to take its place amongst the top of the Turkish club’s and achieve much success.

Fenerbahçe Spor Kulübü first football team included Asaf, Ziya Hasan, Sami, Ayetullah, Mazhar, Necip Fethi, Galip, Huseyin, Hasan and Nevzat. This team joined the Istanbul League in 1909 but achieved nothing in its first three seasons. In the 1912-1913 season a team with Ali Said, Galip, Arif, Izzi, Huseyin, Sabri, Hikmet, Said, Hasan Kamil, Nuri and Mico win the first championship of the club. Apart from being the first championship it had more significance as it was won without a single defeat throughout the season.

[Fener_05]

Good one Refeto, should be helpful for some people.

[PAO_HELLAS]

I heard that Apostolos Nikolaidis had connections with Fenerbahce at the early period of your history. You know something about that?

Apostolos Nikolaidis was a member of Panathinaikos board later, and Panathinaikos stadium had his name.

[Refeto]

I heard that Apostolos Nikolaidis had connections with Fenerbahce at the early period of your history. You know something about that?

Apostolos Nikolaidis was a member of Panathinaikos board later, and Panathinaikos stadium had his name.
No i didnt hear about that? Who is that? and What did he do at Fenerbahce?

[SiN]

No i didnt hear about that? Who is that? and What did he do at Fenerbahce?

yer who is that??

[PAO_HELLAS]

A Turk, Fenerbahce fan, told me that he was a player of Fener for a period. But I don't know if something like that is true I just asked if you know something.

[Refeto]

It could be true but personally i dont know anything about him..

[EASports]

hEY MAN

HOW R YOU ?

i THINK I MIGHT NE GOING TO SAN MATEO SO U WANNA MET UP.... ????

iTS QUITE NICE WEATHER IN CALIFORNIA NOW.

cHEERS

[Refeto]

Not up here in North California. Its cloudy right now and cold! Pretty much the same thing in San Mateo!

[SiN]

thanks for the history wrap up refeto...:D

[Fenerliyim]

pretty intresting stuff here. Anyone want to add some more?

[SiN]

well do u think u can add some recent changes to FB like new players and stuff like that? ;)

[Fenerliyim]

Fenerbahce has successfully gone through one whole season without conceeding one goal, hence setting a world record. (1922-1923)

In all of Fenerbahce's history, they have become Champions 80 times, becoming the most winningest club in Turkey. Following Fenerbahce's 80 times is Galatasaray at 69.

Fenerbahce has the most official and non-official cups in Turkey. (In football alone they have a total of 123 Cups), also, Fenerbahce has the most Cups in total from an addition of all their other branches in Turkey.

Fenerbahce won the inagural season of the Turkish Professional Football League.

Fenerbahce was the first club in Turkey to win the Balkan Cup in 1967.

In 1967/68, Fenerbahce won 5 cups in one season breaking a record. This included the Lig Championship, the Turkish Cup, the TSYD Cup, the Cumhurbaskanligi and Basbakanlik Cup.

Fenerbahce holds the record for least goals against in Professional League History in 1969-70.

Fenerbahce set another milestone in 1973 and won all Cups that were available in that season. The Lig Championship, the Champions Cup of Turkey (Super Cup for those who are wondering), Turkish Cup, and the TSYD Cup.

Fenerbahce set a goal scoring record of 103 goals for in a season in 1988-89.

Fenerbahce holds the record for most goals scored by 1 player in 1 game. Tanju Colak, Fenerbahce - Karsiyaka: 7-1, 1992-93 seaon, 14th week.

in 1996-97 Fenerbahce attended their first ever Champions League tournament. Breaking Manchester Uniteds 40 year undefeated streak at old trafford in Champions league competition. The goal from Bolic in the 78th minute helped achieve this european milestone.

In all of the 41 years of professional football, Fenerbahce is the most winningest, and least goals against team in history.

Fenerbahce Spor Kulubu was the first to have an official website on the internet in Turkey.

First club to be incorporated into official Turkish State Law.

First club to gain permission from Ataturk to have a sculpture of himself in our Stadium.

We have given the most players to the Turkish National Team (Kapak for those of who think Fenerbahce never gives players to the national team)

First club to ever give a Jubile game for a player (Lefter Kucukandonyadis).

In the same season, our A, B, and Youth Team each won their respective championship in 1932-33.

We are the first club to have a player that played in the World Team, Isa Erturk.

Fenerbahce is the first club to have one of their players actually manage a national team at the same time. Koco Negroponti, Greece.

We are the first club to organize an Athletics Championship.

We are the first club to send an Athletic team to an outside country. (Athens, 1951).

Fenerbahce is the only club in Turkey to hold a Championship in the European Ahletics competition, in 1993.

The first ever Turkish medal winner in the olimpics was contracted to Fenerbahce. Ruhi Sarialp.

Once again, Fenerbahce was the first club to send a tennis team to an outside competition. 1930 Balkan Tenis Championships.

The first Turk to finish first place in a Rowing Championship was contracted to our Club. 1954, Tonguc Tursan.

We are the only club to have a basketball player in the Balkan All-Star team. Husnu Cakirgil.

[Kill'emall9]

Well hi first of all i'm Chris..Like to introduce myself as a foreigner supporter of Fenerbahce...

Well done guys for the good stuff..It would be also interesting to continue that so if anyone knows more about it let us know. I really look forward to learn more about the team with the best fans in Turkey :evil: :evil: ..Personal opinion

[cengo]

Atatürk and Fenerbahçe


The founder of the Turkish Republic, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a Fenerbahce supporter. On the 10th of August, after a 3-3 draw against Galatasaray in the Gazi Cup Ataturk had three Galatasaray and 2 Fenerbahce supporters next to him, where he was quoted: "We are three on three here, because I’m a Fenerbahce supporter too".

When the club’s building at Kusdili burnt down, the first donation for a new building came from our great leader Ataturk.

Ataturk has also visited the club and has signed the book of honour where he wrote the following:

"I was informed of Fenerbahce Club’s admirable activities and had made it a duty of mine to visit and congratulate the club. That visit has fallen on this day and I hereby record my tribute and congratulations."

[cengo]

Emblem


The Fenerbahçe emblem was designed by Topuz Hikmet who played left wing in 1910 and was made by Tevfik Haccar (Taşcı) in London. The emblem consists of five colours. The white section which includes the writing ’Fenerbahçe Spor Kulubu 1907’ represents purity and open heartedness, the red section represents love and attachment to the club and symbolises the Turkish flag. The yellow middle section symbolises admiration and envy, while the navy symbolises nobility. The ’oak acorn’ leaf which rises from the navy and yellow section shows the power of Fenerbahçe. The green colour of the leaf shows the success of Fenerbahçe is imperative.

Topuz Hikmet describes the story of our emblem like this:
"After the change of the club’s colours from yellow and white to yellow and navy, it was an issue to create an emblem with our new colours. My friends left the design of this emblem to me.
Firstly, I brought together the colours of our national flag, red and white. Then drew a heart shape over the red and gave it a yellow and navy colour, adding an acorn leaf that represents resistance, power and strength. I wrote the club name and foundation date on the white section. When drawing our emblem, I tried to give this meaning: ‘Serving the club with dependence from heart.’


The design was liked by my friends and our new emblem was made through the guidance of Tevfik Haccar, who was in Germany at time. After the new alphabet was approved, the design was protected, but the club name on the emblem was changed to ’Fenerbahçe Spor Kulübü - 1907’.

[cengo]

The Trophy Room


Record holders for the most trophies

Fenerbahçe has a huge lead over other clubs concerning trophies. Fenerbahçe Spor Kulübü has won many trophies in the currently active branches and some other branches which have been discontinued. During the Turkish War of Independence Fenerbahçe played many teams from the enemy and injected morale into the Turkish people by winning these games. Fenerbahçe Spor Kulübü football team has many records which are still not broken. Yet the success is not limited with the football team. In the Olympics, the first gold medal to be won in a field other than wrestling was a Fenerbahçe athlete, Ruhi Sarialp. In athletics, the only club to win the European Championship is Fenerbahçe. To view photos from our Trophy Room visit our Picture Gallery.

Football championships

Fenerbahçe has won more football cups than anyone else in Turkey. Since the day it was formed, Fenerbahçe has won a total of 125 trophies. The Turkish Super League (formerly the Turkish First Division) has been won 16 times by Fenerbahçe, one more than Galatasaray. Amongst the trophies are 16 Istanbul League Championships, 12 Turkish Sports Writer’s Championships, 6 National League, 4 Istanbul Shields, 3 Turkish Football Championships, 1 Spor-Toto Cup, 4 Armory Cups, 8 Prime Minister Cups, 4 Turkish Cups, 2 Ataturk Cups and 6 President Cups.

Major Football Trophies -

Türkiye 1. Lig Şampiyonluğu (16): 1959, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1970, 1974, 1975, 1978, 1983, 1985, 1989, 1996, 2001, 2004, 2005
Türkiye Kupasi Şampiyonluğu (4): 1968, 1974, 1979, 1983
Cumhurbaşkanliği Kupasi (6): 1968, 1973, 1975, 1984, 1985, 1990
Başbakanlik Kupasi (9): 1945, 1946, 1950, 1973, 1980, 1989, 1993, 1995, 1998
Atatürk Kupasi (2): 1964, 1998
Balkan Kupasi (1): 1968
Millî Küme Şampiyonluklari (6): 1937, 1940, 1943, 1945, 1946, 1950
Türkiye Birinciliği (3): 1933, 1935, 1944
Istanbul Ligi Şampiyonluklari (16): 1912, 1914, 1915, 1921, 1923, 1930, 1933, 1935, 1936, 1937, 1944, 1947, 1948, 1953, 1957, 1959
Istanbul Kupasi Şampiyonluğu (1): 1945
Istanbul Şildi Şampiyonluğu (4): 1930, 1934, 1938, 1939

[cengo]

Legend: Şükrü Saracoğlu


Mehmet Şükrü Saracoğlu was a politician and was to be the fifth Prime Minister of Turkey. He was born in 1887 in Odemis. Saracoglu progressed to being a teacher before graduating from faculties abroad. Saracoğlu also became the Minister for Education in 1924. Saracoglu was successful in every area in politics and was a valued statesman in Turkey. He was also a keen Fenerbahçe supporter and was the president of the club from 1934 to 1950. This made him the longest serving Fenerbahçe president. In 1953, three years after retiring from politics, he sadly died in Istanbul on 27 December.

[cengo]

Old Squads


1965-1966 season
Hazım - Ali - Şükrü - Bülent - Şeref - Ercan - Özer - Osman - Ogün - Yaşar - Ziya - Haldun - A.İhsan - Aydın - Birol - Varol - Şenol

1966-1967 season
Hazım - Radoviç - Ali - Özcan - Şükrü - Numan - Tezer - Cengiz - Şeref - Özer - Ercan - Yılmaz - Ali İhsan - Osman - Yaşar - Abdullah - Birol - Canel - Selim - Canan - Lemiç - Nedim - Ogün - Ziya

1967-1968 season
Yavuz - Şükrü - Levent - Şeref - Ercan - Yılmaz - Ogün - Fuat - Abdullah - Can - Yaşar - Hazım - Numan - Özcan - Selim - Raşit - Ziya - Nedim - Birol - Yakup - Erdinç - Özer - Serkan -

1968-1969 season
Rasim - K.Yavuz - Levent - Ümran - Yılmaz - Nunweiller - Serkan - Cenap - Can - Selim - Erdinç - Raşit - Nedim - Birol - Ogün - Yaşar - Fuat - Ercan - Ziya - Ali - Özcan - Şeref - Rüçhan - Şükrü - Numan - Abdullah - Salim

1969-1970 season
Yavuz - Datçu - Şükrü - Levent - Numan - Nunweiler - Ercan - Yılmaz - Yaşar - Fuat - Abdullah - Ogün - Zeki - Can - Salim - Serkan - Ümran - Selim - Ziya

1970-1971 season
Yavuz - Datçu - Ercan - Serkan - Levent - Fuat - Ziya - Nedim - Yaşar - Zeki - Bülent - Bünyamin - Çetin - Rasim - Tacettin - Sabaheddin - Selim - Numan - Ogün - Ümran - Turgay - Sasu - Yılmaz

1971-1972 season
Datcu - Yavuz - Niyazi - Şükrü - Ercan - Yılmaz - Timuçin - Levent - Fuat - Ziya - Cevher - Serkan - Osman - Canan - Bülent - Yaşar ( 1 ) - Ersoy - Cezmi - Yaşar ( 2 ) - Nedim - Ostojiç - Tacettin - Turgay - Muharrem - Salim - Önder - Numan - Kamil - Rasim - Gafur - Çetin

1972-1973 season
Datcu - Şükrü - Yılmaz - Levent - Serkan - Ercan - Ostojiç - Nedim - Necati - Osman - Muharrem - Yavuz - Canan - Ersoy - Niyazi - Cevher - Rasim - Çetin - Önder - Necati - Gaffur - Timuçin - Ender - Ziya - Fuat - Yaşar - Çoşkun - Cemil

1973-1974 season
Datcu - Adil - Timuçin - Yılmaz - Ziya - Alpaslan - Ersoy - İbrahim - Selaheddin - Mustafa - Osman - Cemil - Ender - Niyazi - Şükrü - Ercan - Haluk - Cevher - Serkan - İhsan - Turgay - Cumhur - Kamil - Turan - Önder

1974-1975 season
Yavuz - Adil - Yılmaz - Alpaslan - Ziya - Serkan - Rüçhan - Zafer - Eyüp - Aydın - Abdullah - Ender - Yalkın - Mustafa - İbrahim - Osman - Selaheddin - Cemil - Onur - Emin - Ersoy

1975-1976 season
Yavuz - Adil - Ender - Sabahaddin - Yılmaz - Nevruz - Emin - Alpaslan - Serkan - Raşit - Yenal - Zafer - Engin - Selahettin - Aydın - Engin - Osman - Ömer - Cemil - Ender - Ziya

1976-1977 season
Adil - Yavuz - Cem - Nevruz - Yenal - Alpaslan - Ersoy - Engin - Ender - Ömer - Atilla - Zafer - Cemil - Aydın - Emin - Sabaheddin - Serkan - Bülent - Erdoğan - Önder - Yavuz ( 2 ) - Niyazi

[cengo]

Legendary goalscorers

1970-71 Ogün Altıparmak 16
1972-73 Osman Arpacıoğlu 19
1973-74 Cemil Turan 14
1975-76 Cemil Turan 17
1977-78 Cemil Turan 17
1981-82 Selçuk Yula 16
1982-83 Selçuk Yula 19
1988-89 Aykut Kocaman 29
1991-92 Aykut Kocaman 25
1992-93 Tanju Çolak 27
1993-94 Bülent Uygun 22
1994-95 Aykut Kocaman 27

[cengo]

The Stadium

The Fenerbahçe Þükrü Saracoðlu Stadium is rapidly becoming one of Europe’s elite football arenas. Fenerbahçe’s huge investments in top quality facilities since President Aziz Yýldýrým’s election has been much appreciated by players and fans alike and the stadium has been the major part in this.

The Fenerbahçe Þükrü Saracoðlu Stadium is going through a complete rebuilding process which involves each stand being destructed and rebuilt one after the other. So far, the "Acik" stands (located behind the goals) and "Maraton" stand have been rebuilt. The Numaralý stand will be ready for the 2005-2006 season. Every one of these stands have been built closer to the pitch, getting the fan closer to the action on the field.


This style of stadium has never before existed in Turkey, as the stands are usually separated from the pitch by a running track. The latest stand to have been completed is the Maraton stand. The VIP section can hold 11,000 spectators. This stand includes "Box Offices" which have all been rented out from the club. These Box Offices, equipped with TV’s, Internet, work areas, dining facilities and many other luxuries, are the first of their kind in Turkey. With each the Acik stands having a 10,500 capacity, the current total capacity of the stadium is 52,000. When the whole construction is completed, this will rise to 62,000.

Without a doubt, the Saracoðlu, or commonly referred to as Kadýköy is the best footballing arena.

[cengo]

Records Held by Fenerbahçe



Fenerbahce has successfully gone through one whole season without conceeding one goal, hence setting a world record. (1922-1923)

In all of Fenerbahce's history, they have become Champions 80 times, becoming the most winningest club in Turkey. Following Fenerbahce's 80 times is Galatasaray at 69.

Fenerbahce has the most official and non-official cups in Turkey. (In football alone they have a total of 123 Cups), also, Fenerbahce has the most Cups in total from an addition of all their other branches in Turkey.

Fenerbahce won the inagural season of the Turkish Professional Football League.

Fenerbahce was the first club in Turkey to win the Balkan Cup in 1967.

In 1967/68, Fenerbahce won 5 cups in one season breaking a record. This included the Lig Championship, the Turkish Cup, the TSYD Cup, the Cumhurbaskanligi and Basbakanlik Cup.

Fenerbahce holds the record for least goals against in Professional League History in 1969-70.

Fenerbahce set another milestone in 1973 and won all Cups that were available in that season. The Lig Championship, the Champions Cup of Turkey (Super Cup for those who are wondering), Turkish Cup, and the TSYD Cup.

Fenerbahce set a goal scoring record of 103 goals for in a season in 1988-89.

Fenerbahce holds the record for most goals scored by 1 player in 1 game. Tanju Colak, Fenerbahce - Karsiyaka: 7-1, 1992-93 seaon, 14th week.

in 1996-97 Fenerbahce attended their first ever Champions League tournament. Breaking Manchester Uniteds 40 year undefeated streak at old trafford in Champions league competition. The goal from Bolic in the 78th minute helped achieve this european milestone.

In all of the 41 years of professional football, Fenerbahce is the most winningest, and least goals against team in history.

Fenerbahce Spor Kulubu was the first to have an official website on the internet in Turkey.

First club to be incorporated into official Turkish State Law.

First club to gain permission from Ataturk to have a sculpture of himself in our Stadium.

We have given the most players to the Turkish National Team (Kapak for those of who think Fenerbahce never gives players to the national team)

First club to ever give a Jubile game for a player (Lefter Kucukandonyadis).

In the same season, our A, B, and Youth Team each won their respective championship in 1932-33.

We are the first club to have a player that played in the World Team, Isa Erturk.

Fenerbahce is the first club to have one of their players actually manage a national team at the same time. Koco Negroponti, Greece.

We are the first club to organize an Athletics Championship.

We are the first club to send an Athletic team to an outside country. (Athens, 1951).

Fenerbahce is the only club in Turkey to hold a Championship in the European Ahletics competition, in 1993.

The first ever Turkish medal winner in the olimpics was contracted to Fenerbahce. Ruhi Sarialp.

Once again, Fenerbahce was the first club to send a tennis team to an outside competition. 1930 Balkan Tenis Championships.

The first Turk to finish first place in a Rowing Championship was contracted to our Club. 1954, Tonguc Tursan.

We are the only club to have a basketball player in the Balkan All-Star team. Husnu Cakirgil.

[Fenerliyim]

Fenerbahce Colors:

The emblem consists of five colours. The white section which includes the writing Fenerbahçe Spor Kulubu 1907 represents purity and open heartedness, the red section represents love and attachment to the club and symbolises the Turkish flag. The yellow middle section symbolises admiration and envy, while the navy symbolises nobility. The oak acorn leaf which rises from the navy and yellow section shows the power of Fenerbahçe. The green colour of the leaf shows the success of Fenerbahçe is imperative.

[thomoturk]

hi
Great Posting On Fener`s History

[gamze]

big fenerbahce champion fenerbahçe :)

[Cihangir]

I found em in my dad's old sports magazine archive.

Union Club Stadium (I love it! LOL)
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/VicomtedeValmont/UnionClubStadium.jpg

The earliest Şükrü Saraçoğlu Stadium Lmao
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/VicomtedeValmont/EarliestSkrSaraoluStadium.jpg

[Kanarya]

I heard that Apostolos Nikolaidis had connections with Fenerbahce at the early period of your history. You know something about that?

Apostolos Nikolaidis was a member of Panathinaikos board later, and Panathinaikos stadium had his name.

No Greeks have anything to do with the foundation of Fenerbahce Spor Kulubu!. ;)

Lefter Kucukandonyadis is looked up as one of Fenerbahce's hero's (which his father is greek and mother turkish)

Lefter --> ..... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lefter_K%C3%BC%C3%A7%C3%BCkandonyadis)

[PAO_HELLAS]

No Greeks have anything to do with the foundation of Fenerbahce Spor Kulubu!. ;)

Lefter Kucukandonyadis is looked up as one of Fenerbahce's hero's (which his father is greek and mother turkish)

Lefter --> ..... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lefter_K%C3%BC%C3%A7%C3%BCkandonyadis)

This was a guff a Fenerbahce supporter told me back when I posted this. Later I made sure that Apostolos Nikolaidis has no relation with Fenerbahce. He probably confused him with Antoniadis.

[Sipahi]

Every Turk should know the history of Fenerbahce

what Fenerbahce did for Turkey in times of war will never be forgotten.

[Sipahi]

There is a mistake

In 1967/68, Fenerbahce won 5 cups in one season breaking a record. This included the Lig Championship, the Turkish Cup, the TSYD Cup, the Cumhurbaskanligi and Basbakanlik Cup.

Fener never won the TSYD Cup and Basbakanlik Cup that year
they won the Spor-Toto Cup and Balkan Cup

its a small mistake :)

[COMEGATOS]

I think people might be intrested to learn about Fenerbahce's history:



Fenerbahçe was founded nearly a century ago in the province of Kadýköy in Istanbul. The founders were Mr. Nurizade Ziya Songülen, Mr. Ayetullah and Mr. Necip Okaner. This group of individuals founded the club secretly in order to keep a low profile and not get into any trouble with the strict Ottoman rule. So strict in fact that the Sultan, Abdulhamit the 2nd, forbid that the Turkish youth may not set up a club nor engage in the game of football played by the English families that was watched in envy.

After the first meeting of the founders however, Nurizade Ziya Songülen is elected the first President, whilst Mr. Ayetullah is the General Secretary and Mr Necip Okaner assumes General Captaincy. The first emblem of the club is the Lighthouse which is situated on Fenerbahçe cape whilst the first colours of the club are the colours of the daffodils, white and yellow, scattered around the Fenerbahçe peninsula. The emblem and colours were to be changed in 1910 when the badge was redesigned by Topuz Hikmet and the colours were changed as Yellow and Navy.

Until a change of legislation in 1908, Fenerbahçe’s activities are run under strict secrecy. After this date however, the new law requires that clubs must register in order to exist legally. From that day on, the club was to take its place amongst the top of the Turkish club’s and achieve much success.

Fenerbahçe Spor Kulübü first football team included Asaf, Ziya Hasan, Sami, Ayetullah, Mazhar, Necip Fethi, Galip, Huseyin, Hasan and Nevzat. This team joined the Istanbul League in 1909 but achieved nothing in its first three seasons. In the 1912-1913 season a team with Ali Said, Galip, Arif, Izzi, Huseyin, Sabri, Hikmet, Said, Hasan Kamil, Nuri and Mico win the first championship of the club. Apart from being the first championship it had more significance as it was won without a single defeat throughout the season.

So it was a secret club??...all cause of the enlgihs??

Now I know why I like this club :)

lol btw those names are hard to pronounce...

[sargasso]

I heard that Apostolos Nikolaidis had connections with Fenerbahce at the early period of your history. You know something about that?

Apostolos Nikolaidis was a member of Panathinaikos board later, and Panathinaikos stadium had his name.

I know.He played for us(Fenerbahçe) between 1916-1918 when he was a student at Robert College of Istanbul.After his graduation, he moved to Athens and so PAO.

He was a legendary sportman for you all and Leoforos also known as Apostolos Nikolaidis as you said that i know.:)

[PAO_HELLAS]

I know.He played for us(Fenerbahçe) between 1916-1918 when he was a student at Robert College of Istanbul.After his graduation, he moved to Athens and so PAO.

He was a legendary sportman for you all and Leoforos also known as Apostolos Nikolaidis as you said that i know.:)

This issue had confused me a lot... In the beginning I was told this by a Fenerbahce supporter but I have heard somewhere it wasn't true and I thought that the guy confused him Antoniadis. Later I heard again about his connection with Fenerbahce. I did a quick search right now and I can find some info about it so it looks like he really played in Fenerbahce as you say.

Nikolaidis was born in Filipoupolis (I think it is called Plovdiv now in Bulgaria) so it is logical he operated in the greater area of Thrace before he came to Athens.

A wikipedia entry is also made about him now, mentioning his clubs:

?-1916 Kadıköyspor
1916-17 Fenerbahçe
1917-? Panathinaikos

Our historical stadium holds his name because he is considered the 2nd most important figure of Panathinaikos ever, after our founder Georgios Kalafatis.

[Sipahi]

Many Greeks played in Turkey in the past so it could be true.

Galatasaray had Greek founders and Besiktas also recruited some Greek players.

[Türkiyedir Galatasaray]

^Since when did Ali Sami Yen become a greek? :lol:

[Sipahi]

^Since when did Ali Sami Yen become a greek? :lol:

Galatasaray was founded by a bunch of people with Ali Sami Yen at top.

Some of these people were called "Rum".
Greek people living in Turkey...

[Deno]

I didn't know where to put this post, i figured it would be ok in this thread. But anyway, it seems to me from reading the posts around the turkish forum that Fenerbahce is the most hated team of the Big 3. I was just wondering if this is true and if yes, then why that is so.

Thanks in advance.

[Fenerliyim]

haha its a jealousy thing. You know your the best when everyone hates you.

[Fenerliyim]

btw ur username is one y away from meaning idiot in turkish

Denyo = Idiot.

:lol:

[OsmanAslan]

btw ur username is one y away from meaning idiot in turkish

Denyo = Idiot.

:lol:

maybe the y is silent, like in spanish :lol: jk jk

but referring to your question, yes fenerbahce is the most hated team. in my own opionion mainly due to the arrogance going from their board to their players to their fans. noone likes a cocky sob.

[Fenerliyim]

well when ur the best u get to be arrogant http://www.stormtrack.org/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

[OsmanAslan]

well when ur the best u get to be arrogant http://www.stormtrack.org/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

case and point lol

[Sipahi]

This issue had confused me a lot... In the beginning I was told this by a Fenerbahce supporter but I have heard somewhere it wasn't true and I thought that the guy confused him Antoniadis. Later I heard again about his connection with Fenerbahce. I did a quick search right now and I can find some info about it so it looks like he really played in Fenerbahce as you say.

Nikolaidis was born in Filipoupolis (I think it is called Plovdiv now in Bulgaria) so it is logical he operated in the greater area of Thrace before he came to Athens.

A wikipedia entry is also made about him now, mentioning his clubs:

?-1916 Kadıköyspor
1916-17 Fenerbahçe
1917-? Panathinaikos

Our historical stadium holds his name because he is considered the 2nd most important figure of Panathinaikos ever, after our founder Georgios Kalafatis.

Turkey had many Greek players in the past, those people are called Rum, Greeks living in Turkey.

Miço Dimitropulos played for Fenerbahce and also coached the senior squad, Apostolos Nikolaidis indeed also played for us.

Galatasaray and Besiktas had some Greek players too but I dont know their names...

[Deno]

So when Fenerbahce and Galatasaray were formed, which was know as he rich man's club and the working man's club?

Thanks.

[Sipahi]

Fenerbahce was known as the peoples club, especially in the Lefter era, even fans from the rival clubs supporterd Fenerbahce because of Lefter.

Danny Dyer mentioned this in football factory.

[Sipahi]

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First ever squad of Fenerbahçe.

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Ziya Songülen (Nurizade) was the first chairman of Fenerbahçe and the no. 1 founder of the club, he was a very wealthy man as he leased the ground where the Şükrü Saracoğlu stadium is build on so that Fenerbahçe could play football.

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Ayetullah Bey was the second chairman of Fenerbahçe and co-founder of the club. When the club had serious financial problems they had to let go many players, Ayetullah was 22 years old back then, he fixed the financial problems and got Fenerbahçe back on track.

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Necip Okaner Bey was co-founder of Fenerbahçe and a military personnel in the Turkish War of Independence.

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Mustafa Elkatipzade is a big name in Fenerbahçe history, he formed the first youth teams of Turkey and under his lead Fenerbahçe became Fenerbahçe SK. (sports club)

When Mustafa Kemal Atatürk visited Fenerbahçe, Elkatipzade welcomed him with a cup of coffee and a glass of lemonade and let him sign the book of honour.

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Fuat Hüsnü Kayacan formed the first ever Turkish football club in 1899 by the name of Black Stockings FC, when this team was closed by the Sultan he joined Moda and played there for 3 seasons. Kayacan joined Galatasaray in 1908. He then joined Fenerbahçe in 1914 and stayed there till 1951.

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Mehmet Şükrü Saracoğlu was the longest serving chairman of Fenerbahçe, he was loved by everyone in Turkey. He won a lot of trophies with Fenerbahçe and gave the club their own stadium, in 1998 Fenerbahçe named their stadium after him.

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Yavuz İsmet Uluğ was a football player and boxer for Fenerbahçe, he was a member of the squad that won the Harrington Cup, he also defeated many English boxers as he was a highly respected Turkish boxer.

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Galip Kulaksızoğlu played as a forward and defender in the first ever squad of Fenerbahçe, after studying at the Galatasaray Lyceum he went to the St. Joseph High School and graduated there. He was one of those names who really cared about Fenerbahçe and did a lot of things for the club, he spent 17 years at the club. He also served the club as a coach and interim chairman.

Despite starting his footballing career at Galatasaray Galip is regarderd as a important player in Fenerbahçe history, because of his professional personality he was a very popular player.

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Hikmet Topuzer played as a left winger for Fenerbahçe, he was famous for his penalty kicks and for designing the Fenerbahçe amblem.

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Tevfik Haccar Taşçı was the third chairman of Fenerbahçe, when Hikmet Topuzer designed the amblem he sent the design to Tevfik Haccar Taşçı who was in Manchester at that time, Tevfik Haccar Taşçı created the amblem that is still used today.

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Nasuhi Baydar served the club as a player and chairman, he is the older brother of Alaaddin Baydar.

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Faruk Ilgaz was the chairman of Fenerbahçe in the 60's and 70's, under his lead Fenerbahçe won the most cups including a Balkans Cup which was the first non-domestic cup for a Turkish football club.

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[Doctor Dizdar]

The guy is the picture above the Ziya Songulen description is Sukru Saracoglu.

[turkaholic]

Yeah Turkish Moon... Fix it... :D

Thanks for the catch Doc.

[Sipahi]

No thats not Sukru Saracoglu.

Source: http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.onikinumara.com/galeri/baskanlar/nurizade_ziya_songulen_k.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.onikinumara.com/index.php%3Fpid%3D7&h=146&w=105&sz=4&tbnid=xHX6SpfbP16XuM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=68&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dziya%2Bsongulen&zoom=1&hl=nl&usg=__eNG3Q9Ga1uUpq1sfLqOddvrG83w=&sa=X&ei=2tB4TObZLIumOPbKsJUG&ved=0CB4Q9QEwAA

[Sipahi]

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Regarded as one of the finest forwards Turkish football has ever seen, Zeki Rıza Sporel scored 470 goals in 352 matches, he also scored the first 2 goals for the national team, he still holds the record of the most productive national team player as he scored 15 goals in 16 matches.

Zeki is often cited as the first real Turkish football star.

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Mentioned in the anthem of Fenerbahce as one of the two Fikrets, Fikret Arıcan began his footballing career in the youth teams of Fenerbahce. His successful playing career made him a important figure in Fenerbahce history, after his footballing career he also served Fenerbahce as a manager and chairman.

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Born as the son of a Greek fisherman and a Turkish mother, Lefter is often cited as the best player Turkey has ever produced, he is also mentioned in the anthem of Fenerbahce and has a legendary status for the football fans in Turkey, Lefter was the perfect example that besides rivalry there is also love and respect between the clubs in Istanbul. In May 2009 Lefter his statue was placed at Kuşdili Park near Kadıköy. Lefter will never be forgotten as he is the best Fenerbahce player ever in Fenerbahce history.

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Can Bartu is the first and only Turkish sportsman that played basketball and football at the same time, he began his sports career in the youth ranks of the Fenerbahce basketball team, Fikret Arıcan convinced him to join the football youth team and so he did, Can Bartu was a very successful football player as he went to Italy to continue his career there, he was named "Sinyor" by the Italians for his gentlemen behaviours.

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Basri Dirimlili is one of the most successful players in Fenerbahce and Turkish football history. He is famous for playing a match for 90 minutes with a broken jaw, a real hero for the fans, a person that really loved the club.

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Cihat Arman is a legendary Turkish goalkeeper as he is mentioned in the anthem of Fenerbahce. He played over 300 matches for Fenerbahce. He was named "Uçan Kaleci " (The flying goalkeeper) because of his nice saves. He once wore a yellow suit during a game, thats the reason Fenerbahce are nicknamed Yellow Canaries, Arman flew like a yellow canary to every ball. After his playing career he became a manager, his most notable stints were with the Turkey national team and Besiktas. Cihat is regarded as one of the best goalkeepers in Turkish football history alongside with Turgay Şeren and Rüştü Reçber.

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Ogün Altıparmak played at Fenerbahce for many successful years being the topscorer in the 1970/71 season, he then went abroad and played football in the United States, his son Batur Altıparmak also played for Fenerbahce.

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Ziya Şengül played as a defender for many successful years for Fenerbahce and the Turkey national team, along with Cemil Turan he was a important player in the 70's being the nightmare for many forwards. Because of his solid play in defence Ziya has his place among the memorable players of Fenerbahce.

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Cemil Turan was the biggest superstar in the 70's, he scored 19 goals for Turkey and was 3 times topscorer of the Turkish league, he was that popular that many Yesilcam films mentioned his name. Nowadays Cemil works for the Fenerbahce youth teams.

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Rıdvan Dilmen was a real superstar in the 90's, he played as a right winger and is cited as one of the best players Turkey has ever seen on the soccer field, because of many injuries he had to end his career at an early stage. He was that popular that many new born babies were named Rıdvan at that era. Rıdvan once stated in a legendary interview that he would never turn his back to Fenerbahce for money.

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Aykut Kocaman was a legendary forward in Turkish football history, he scored 100 goals in the Super Lig and has his own spot in the "100ler kulubu" (The club of hundreds) Aykut was a part of the Fenerbahce squad that managed to defeat Galatasaray 4-3 in the Ali Sami Yen stadium, he scored one of the 4 goals, this match is memorable because Fenerbahce was 3-0 down in the first half. After his playing career Aykut became a manager, he is the current manager of Fenerbahce. Aykut was a real fan favourite and is still loved by every Fenerbahce fan.

[EnBuyukFener]

That is beautiful, Thank you.

[Sipahi]

Thanks mate, our history is just filled with beautiful people, I just love this club, I think I will never marry a woman because Fenerbahce is my soulmate.

[Sipahi]

Some info about the rivalry with Galatasaray

Istanbul is a divided city, split into European and Asian sides by the waters of the Bosporus. Although both halves of the city are Turkish, they each have their own way of life, and those seeking cheap holidays to Turkey will find a warm welcome on either side. But this division is epitomized by the long-running feud between Turkey's two most popular soccer clubs, Galatasaray SK and Fenerbahce SK.

This rivalry stretches back over a hundred years, to the first game between the two teams in 1909, which Galatasaray won 2-0. Since then, the two clubs have been evenly matched. Fenerbahce has a slight edge in games won between the two, but Galatasaray has more international honors, including championships at the 2000 UEFA Super Cup and 2000 UEFA Cup Final, something no other Turkish team has done. Each club has won the Turkish Super Lig national championship 17 times, a record no other team is even close to.

There is also a bit of a class warfare aspect to the rivalry. Galatasaray SK was founded by students at the elite Galatasaray high school on the European side, and enjoys a more upper-class and cosmopolitan reputation. Fenerbahce SK was born in the ancient neighborhood of Kadikoy on the Asian side and named after a lighthouse on its coastline (fener means lighthouse in Turkish). It was originally a working-class club that met in secret to avoid harassment from the harsh Ottoman authorities, who disapproved of games. Fenerbahce still retains some of the feel of its blue-collar origins, although both clubs now have fans from all walks of life, all over Turkey and beyond.

Besides soccer, both organizations field teams in other popular sports, such as rowing, basketball, volleyball, sailing, boxing, and more (SK stands for spor kulubu or sports club). Many of Turkey's best athletes and Olympians are members of these teams. Naturally, the rivalry between the soccer teams has spilled over into other sports, and any meeting between Fenerbahce and Galatasaray teams is guaranteed to produce high feelings.

[Sipahi]

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[Sipahi]

Fenerbahce maybe never won something in international competitions but they do have an interesting history.

The club had a key role in the Turkish war of independence, many members of the club were smuggling weapons and ammo for the army, many joined the army and were killed in action, others stayed with the football team and helped their team winning matches against the British and French teams.

You all may understand that Fenerbahce was fighting on the battle and footballfields at the same time.

This events caused Fenerbahce to be the most popular club of Turkey for many years, they won the sympathy of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and they were praised by Ismet Inonu when they won the Harrington Cup beating an experienced English team containing many professional players from clubs like Liverpool and Chelsea.

For many Fenerbahce fans (including me) this is more important than winning a European cup or some another international cup, but thats just a matter of opinion.

Just like Islam Cupi once said; "The greatness of Fenerbahce are not cups or titles their greatness is something thats impossible to describe."

[Razzerian]

That's one of the biggest propaganda farces of Fenerbahçe Spor Kulübü. It's one of their most loved lines in the higher ranks of discussion topics: "our club is a patriotic club".

Fenerbahçe has always used things like this as an excuse to describe their greatness. But are we forgetting that most of Besiktas sporters actually died at the fronts? Why did Besiktas change their colors to black and white? Why are Besiktas allowed to wear the Turkish crescent int heir emblem?

Fenerbahçe use this propaganda to make themselves out to be this big Patriotic team. Seriously, "our members muggled shit" so ***king what? Most of ours died while fighting for the Empire... it means jack diddly squat. You need to know that back then a "club" like Fenerbahçe or Besiktas was more like a leisure thing for people's free time and only later became far more professional. Members involved in the Balkan wars or in the war of independance where acting on their own behalf not ont hat of the club. The difference between Besiktas and Fenerbahçe is that Fenerbahçe uses this as a propagandic tool to get themselves fans while Besiktas only honors those that died and honors what they faught for without abusing it to gain symphaty with the people. A nice indication of this is that few people know why our colors are black&white but everyone "knows" how patriotic Fenerbahçe is.


I've heard and seen this bullshit before, and my emphasis in this sentance is on bullshit. Not to offend you, but just because it's a load of propaganda.

[Sipahi]

Well we are a patriotic club thats what history is telling us, and I do not know what Besiktas their role was in those times, I do know that Galatasaray did just nothing, Fenerbahce was founded because they wanted to prepare the youth of Turkey for any war that would come, you guys were founded as a gymnastics club and Galatasaray was founded to beat every team that was not Turkish, correct me if Im wrong but I doubt that.

Maybe I forgot to mention Besiktas but you have to understand that I cannot mention Besiktas in a Fenerbahce history topic.

And we do all know that no one in Turkey speaks about another clubs history with pride, we are just jealous about each other, lets just face that.

[Kink]

Razz, there's an endless list of clubs in Turkey that have the Turkish flag in their emblem.

Bursa to just name one.

Not saying what you're saying is wrong, or right for that matter. Just an observation.

[Sipahi]

By the way the only reason nobody knows Besiktas history besides their own fans is because you guys are in the shadow of the two biggest clubs in Turkey, dont blame us for that, blame yourself.

Second we didnt won Ataturks and other peoples sympathy by spreading what you call propaganda I call the truth, we won it because of our deeds, we are a club of deeds, you can still smell this today, for example we ripped Mehmet Topuz from the thieves. :)

[Finaslan]

I do know that Galatasaray did just nothing, Fenerbahce was founded because they wanted to prepare the youth of Turkey for any war that would come, you guys were founded as a gymnastics club and Galatasaray was founded to beat every team that was not Turkish, correct me if Im wrong but I doubt that..

Then you know nothing. What kind of antu bullcrap is that? Akilli ol, Bu formada sehit kani var. We just don't brag about it because it's what everyone would expect you to do.

[Sipahi]

Then you know nothing. What kind of antu bullcrap is that? Bu formada sehit kani var. We just don't brag about it because it's what everyone would expect you to do.

In Gallipoli every club had casualties, but in the Turkish war of independence your club had 0 casualties.

Maybe you should learn some history mate.

You just dont seem to understand that all these stories are a piece of club culture for us, you cannot understand this so I dont blame you.

You guys always brag about the UEFA Cup while that is way more stupid than these so called "antu" stories, I see the UEFA Cup as a milli zafer not as a zafer of just Galatasaray.

The funny thing here is your whole board is doing it everywhere and everytime when they get the chance.

Notthingam Forrest won the European Cup once and Arsenal never won it, you just cannot tell me that Notthingham Forrest is a bigger club than Arsenal. :)

[Sipahi]

By the way one of our founders was a military personnel as you can read in the previous page, for me this discussion is over.

[Finaslan]

Firstly, I have never cared who Atatürk likes or not. It just doesn't interest me. Secondly, I don't care which war Galatasaray had casualties in, ancak formamizda Sehit kani var, bunu ne yazarsan yaz, silemezsin.

Secondly you can't mention Besiktas in a Fenerbahce history thread, but you can mention Galatasaray. Post'larindaki konularin cogunluga dikkat edersek, senin bu forumdaki galatasaraylilari kizdirmaktan, ortami germekten baska bi hedefin yoktur sanki. Bunu bil ki, sana bir tek bu forumdaki fenerbahcelilerin sayisi az oldugu icin bukadar cok sans verilmistir ve senin yaptigi seylere ve baslattigin veya katildigin olaylara buraya kadar gözlerimizi yumduk. Bir tek fenerbahceli oldugun icin. Galatasaray forumundan bir bos sepebten dolayi banlanmadim, ve bu bir uyariydi. Belki'de Galatasaray'la ugrasmaktan ziyade kendi külübünle ilgilenirsen ve burada adam gibi konusursan, tekrar orayi sana acariz.

Bu uyariyi ciddiye almazsan Fenerbahcelilerin az oldugu'na ragmen buradan banlanirsin. Sonra seni uyarmadik deme. Bu konu kapanmistir.

[Ilhami]

Haddini bil Sipahi. :)

[Fenerliyim]

nerde sehit kani var ya.

Ali Sami Yen said


Birçok yerleri dolaştıktan sonra, nihayet Bahçekapı'daki Şişman Yanko'nun dükkânına gidilerek orada zarif iki yünlü kumaşa tesadüf ettik. Biri, vişneye çalan koyuca tatlı bir kırmızı, öteki de, içinde turuncudan iz taşıyan tok bir sarı. Tezgahtar, mahirane bir el hareketi ile kumaşların dalgalarını birleştirdi. Bir saka kuşunun başı ile kanadının yarattığı renk güzelliğine benzer bir parlaklık hasıl oldu. Ateşin içindeki renk oyunlarını görür gibi olmuştuk. Sarı-Kırmızı alevinin takımımız üstünde parıldamasını tasavvur ediyor ve bizi derhal galibiyetten galibiyete götüreceğini tahayyül ediyorduk. Nitekim de öyle oldu.

And another founder Bekir Sitki said
söz konusu renklerin Gül Baba'nın II. Beyazıd'e verdiği sarı ve kırmızı güllerden esinlendiğini ileri sürer.


so sehit kani is just a made up fact by the GSlilar or should we say ultralsan propaganda

[Finaslan]

http://www.galatasaray.org/tarih/pages/tarih_sehitler.php

[Razzerian]

Well we are a patriotic club thats what history is telling us, and I do not know what Besiktas their role was in those times, I do know that Galatasaray did just nothing, Fenerbahce was founded because they wanted to prepare the youth of Turkey for any war that would come, you guys were founded as a gymnastics club and Galatasaray was founded to beat every team that was not Turkish, correct me if Im wrong but I doubt that.

Maybe I forgot to mention Besiktas but you have to understand that I cannot mention Besiktas in a Fenerbahce history topic.

And we do all know that no one in Turkey speaks about another clubs history with pride, we are just jealous about each other, lets just face that.

Fenerbahçe was a merger club of foreign teams, Greeks and such. Fenerbahçe was not founded in order to "prepare the youth of Turkey for a war to come" no matter how much you want to believe this to be true, I'm sorry but it's not. I have the feeling you don't really know the roots of your own club.

[Sipahi]

Fenerbahçe was a merger club of foreign teams, Greeks and such. Fenerbahçe was not founded in order to "prepare the youth of Turkey for a war to come" no matter how much you want to believe this to be true, I'm sorry but it's not. I have the feeling you don't really know the roots of your own club.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah and Besiktas was founded by Israeli people actually.

I just wrote down the whole history of Fenerbahce in the pevious page, if you want to deny that you should deny Ataturk too, he never existed bro. :)

[Razzerian]

Razz, there's an endless list of clubs in Turkey that have the Turkish flag in their emblem.

Bursa to just name one.

Not saying what you're saying is wrong, or right for that matter. Just an observation.

Besiktas is the ONLY club in Turkey who are allowed by the TFF to wear the Turkish crescent IN their logo, the reason for this is Besiktas played as the national team representative (due to the lack of a national team at the time) in the '40s against Greece (4-1 win for us if I remember correctly.)

http://thekartikreport.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/bursaspor.jpg

The crescent is just added on top of the logo, it's not part of it.

Same goes for Istanbulspor or any other Turkish club for that matter.

http://images.futbolmerkezi.com/Documents/Graphic/I/1/128655747302106948.jpg


I've had this discussion many years ago, believe me I'm 101 % right ont his one. I've heard this "multiple clubs have the flag in their logo" bullshit a hundred thousand times, it's just not the same.

Do you see the similarity of the flag in those logo's? They're all added on the top left corner. Its to identify their origin, it's not part of their logo like ours. We earned this honor and it's part of our logo. The Turkish flag is embedded in our flag.


By the way the only reason nobody knows Besiktas history besides their own fans is because you guys are in the shadow of the two biggest clubs in Turkey, dont blame us for that, blame yourself.

Second we didnt won Ataturks and other peoples sympathy by spreading what you call propaganda I call the truth, we won it because of our deeds, we are a club of deeds, you can still smell this today, for example we ripped Mehmet Topuz from the thieves. :)

No the reason here for is because Besiktas is not a propagandonistic club. Fenerbahçe has this rooted in their history since they've been doing it since the early 1900's.

Atatürk being a Fenerbahçe "sympathisant" is another one of those myths, it's never been proven, it's just an assumption, it's written in many places and said by many people. That however doesn't make it true. All I see from your post is that you have a very one sided view on things and that you clearly did not research outside the Fenerbahçe forums circle.

[Sipahi]

Mustafa Elkatipzade witnessed Ataturk being a Fenerbahce sympathisant.
There is a clear writing of Ataturk in the book of honour in the Fenerbahce museum.

Its pretty clear that you cannot handle this great history. :lol:

Ok I have to admit Mustafa Elkatipzade and Ziya Songulen are made up persons and their grandchildren are aliens or were paid money to tell us stories, you really believe this yourself??? :)

[fb_tatanga]

Ok, I'm sorry, but what if ataturk like fenerbahce, does that make fenerbahce divine or some shit :lol:

[Razzerian]

You say you're a patriotic club, I say all this "patriot propaganda" is made up to get the spotlight away from your foreign origins. Let's not forget how Fenerbahçe came to existance.

[Sipahi]

You say you're a patriotic club, I say all this "patriot propaganda" is made up to get the spotlight away from your foreign origins. Let's not forget how Fenerbahçe came to existance.

Yeah we also shouldnt forget how Besiktas came to existance, the Israelis were very bored.

Ben 20 yildir bu isin icindeyim bu laflari cok duyduk kardas, I suggest you should stick to your own club, I already heard these stories.

[Zizou1905]

why does it matter if Ataturk likes Fenerbahce :noidea: does that make you special or something Allah digil peygamber digil uyasaniza yaa

[YesilTimsah]

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[Kanarya]

Besiktas is the ONLY club in Turkey who are allowed by the TFF to wear the Turkish crescent IN their logo, the reason for this is Besiktas played as the national team representative (due to the lack of a national team at the time) in the '40s against Greece (4-1 win for us if I remember correctly.)
Karsiyaka and Kasimpasa have the crescent/star on their emblem officially too.

[Sipahi]

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[Forza Kartal]

Now go on and win the Turkish Cup and your history will be complete :D

[Sipahi]

Lol who cares about a freakin Turkish Cup?

We will win that bloody cup before Galatasaray secures a win at Kadikoy, mark my words.

[Forza Kartal]

Lol who cares about a freakin Turkish Cup?


He does :D

http://i.imgur.com/yb5RA.jpg

[Kanarya]

Well done to the yellow angels!!! Now for the European championship together with our girls basketball team.

[A(Bosancero)]

Karsiyaka and Kasimpasa have the crescent/star on their emblem officially too.

Bursaspor has a crescent in its logo too.

[Kanarya]

They're just added on. In Turkey only Besiktas, Karsiyaka and Kasimpasa have it approved by the TFF, all have some sort of accomplishment and the federation rewarded them with the right to have the crescent/star on their emblem.

[Kink]

They're just added on. In Turkey only Besiktas, Karsiyaka and Kasimpasa have it approved by the TFF, all have some sort of accomplishment and the federation rewarded them with the right to have the crescent/star on their emblem.

Is there something on the TFF website that confirms that? Or is it just a myth. The Karsiyaka logo going by Razz' critieria doesnt make sense because they have it in the top left corner also.

G.Birligi have the ayyildiz in their logo also, in the middle, so does Manisa, Cankiri Belediyespor, Eyupspor, Kayapinar Belediyespor, Ceyhunspor and if you want to add Elazigspor and Beylerbeyi.



The ONLY club to have it? LOL

[Kanarya]

Well there's no need to count which teams have it as I'm sure more than 1/4 teams have the crescent on their logo and yes TFF approves those 3 teams. I remember my cousin telling me why KSK has it but forgot now, it's not so hard to find out.. Just search KSK logo oykusu or something on google.

[Kanarya]

Anyways let's get back on topic, we don't care about BJK, KSK or Kasimpasa history ;)

[Kink]

Nobody cares about volleyball, logos are more interesting!

My point was merely just to point out Razz being misinformed about his post regarding Besiktas. BJK propaganda he's being fed, poor guy.

[Kanarya]

My point was merely just to point out Razz being misinformed about his post regarding Besiktas. BJK propaganda he's being fed, poor guy.
Well Razz knows about Turkish football more than everyone else on this forum, I'm surprised he didn't know about KSK and Kasimpasa :sad:

[Kink]

Well Razz knows about Turkish football more than everyone else on this forum, I'm surprised he didn't know about KSK and Kasimpasa :sad:

Incorrect, Razz likes to think he knows about Turkish football ;)

[Kanarya]

*Sarcasm* :lol:

[Razzerian]

Is there something on the TFF website that confirms that? Or is it just a myth. The Karsiyaka logo going by Razz' critieria doesnt make sense because they have it in the top left corner also.

G.Birligi have the ayyildiz in their logo also, in the middle, so does Manisa, Cankiri Belediyespor, Eyupspor, Kayapinar Belediyespor, Ceyhunspor and if you want to add Elazigspor and Beylerbeyi.



The ONLY club to have it? LOL


Same principle as Bursaspor, same principle as Istanbulspor same principle as all those teams you named appart from Gençlerbirligi who don't even use the Turkish colors.

Karsiyaka are the only club beside Besiktas to be allowed to use it.

http://www.fenerbahceworldwide.org/uploads/pictures/85pxnzcd2frg.png

If someone here is "misinformed" Kink, it' syou, in fact you're not even informed, you just jump to conclusions.

There is a very clear difference between Besiktas' logo and all these teams you just mentioned.

Look at this

http://www.mechancontrols.co.uk/userimages/Mechan-M-Logo.jpg

That's an "M" right? Still not a McDonalds logo though.




Well Razz knows about Turkish football more than everyone else on this forum, I'm surprised he didn't know about KSK and Kasimpasa :sad:

All the discussion I've had on here I have provided plenty of sources, including our little discussion on supporters on the stands, remember that one? So unless you prove me wrong for a change maybe you should keep your sarcastic little remarks to yourself for a change.


Cause all you do is give those little comments, you barely ever have something constructive to say. It's easy to portray the other person in a discussion as someone who thinks he knows better and therefore is probably wrong, but that still doesn't make you right.

Saying "he thinks he knows about X" still doesn't prove him wrong, it just proves -- to someone that is actually following the discussion at hand -- that you just got nothing better to say.

[Razzerian]

Nobody cares about volleyball, logos are more interesting!

My point was merely just to point out Razz being misinformed about his post regarding Besiktas. BJK propaganda he's being fed, poor guy.

Do you even know what propaganda means?

There is no clear proof of Atatürk's alledged Fenerlism. However there is plenty of clear proof of Besiktas representing the Turkish nation as their national team and therefore getting rewarded the honor of using the Turkish crescent in their logo.

Is there any other team in Turkey that ever represented the nation as their national team? If no is the answer then you are blown up toad who likes to throw around words, but the word propaganda my boy is not appropiate in this case. I suggest you do some research before making your little fizz comments.


Incorrect, Razz likes to think he knows about Turkish football ;)

You're no better, just as me you're always "right" in your own mind. The difference is I know this from myself, you still seem to think that everything you say is god's word and you only look at it from the chocolate side of the cookie.

[Sipahi]

Well actually there is a lot of proof about Kemals sympathy but the problem is you guys cant/dont accept it.

[Razzerian]

The only "proof" I've seen so far are "claims" really, people stating that he symphatised for Fenerbahçe.

But let's say he was actually a Fenerbahçe fan, let's be honest, nearly everyone knows he "was", doesn't that tell you that it get's used a lot? Thus being a form of propaganda?

Even if it was true then that does not mean you need to use it as a method to gain sympathy and support.



Also to elaborate a little on the "crescent" arguement.

You have to look at it in this context:


The Turkish Champions is allowed to wear a Turkish flag on it's jersy
The Turkish Cup winner is allowed the same right
Besiktas and Karsiyaka are both allowed to wear a Turkish flag, no other club is point final.

The "right" or "honor" was granted to Besiktas after representing the national team in 1952.

"The Turkish flag which appears in Beşiktaş's emblem is a gift from the Turkish Football Federation. Beşiktaş earned the right to incorporate the flag after having its full roster drafted as the Turkish national team playing against the Greek national team on May 16, 1952. Along with Beşiktaş, only Karşıyaka SK has this right in Turkey"

[Kanarya]

Karsiyaka are the only club beside Besiktas to be allowed to use it.

All the discussion I've had on here I have provided plenty of sources, including our little discussion on supporters on the stands, remember that one? So unless you prove me wrong for a change maybe you should keep your sarcastic little remarks to yourself for a change.

Oh so Karsiyaka are also approved to have the crescent on their jersey now, i thought only BJK were? Well let me inform you yet again that Kasimpasa also have it approved by the TFF to have the crescent on their emblem. Just because I don't write paragraph of essays doesn't mean I know nothing (the only reason why i'm on this forum is because my job invloves me surfing on the net and it can get very boring at times that is why I have my say every now and then, but anyways you can have your paragraphs of essays and look like Mr. football) infact I know much more than you about Turkish football as I follow all 6 leagues very closely and have for years. You probably haven't even heard of 3rd, 4th and BAL division teams.

When it comes to the fanbase thing you're talking about. Where did you prove me wrong? All I had stated was there was a season where I can remember BJK fans never turned out to games infact they couldn't even pull 10k against Sivas, just because I don't post a ''youtube'' video doesn't make my post invalid.

You claim Fener fans to be glory hunters only judging by seeing empty seats on Fenerium, Maraton alt and some areas of Telsim and Migros alt. Telsim, Migros and Maraton ust is where the die-hard fans stand and in every game you can see these tribuns full, I can assure you we get a minimum of 25k fans rocking upto games each week that's what BJK's Inonu holds I believe.

[Kanarya]

And who the ***k cares what team Ataturk supported? This is the history topic, Fenerbahce Volleyball team WORLD CHAMPIONS write this in the history book!!! :p

[Sipahi]

The proofs are:

1. Kemal wrote something in our book of honour, several people witnessed this, mister Elkatipzade was known as an honourable man who gave his entire life for Fenerbahce, he and some other people welcomed Kemal when he visited Fenerbahce, Elkatipzade even handed him over the book of honour and the pencil.

2. When the wooden clubhouse of Fenerbahce was burned down to the ground Kemal rebuilded it, he paid everything with his own money.

3. An Galatasaray member who also witnessed his sympathy clearly said that Kemal had sympathy for Fenerbahce.

4. One of his adopted daugsters said live on television that Kemal had sympathy for Fenerbahce, it was 15 years ago, I remember it well, her name was Refet Angin.

If you still call this all propaganda then I will quit this discussion, Im getting sick of repeating myself all the time.

I can call your story about Besiktas representing the Turkish nation propaganda too you know. :)

[Kink]

Same principle as Bursaspor, same principle as Istanbulspor same principle as all those teams you named appart from Gençlerbirligi who don't even use the Turkish colors.

Karsiyaka are the only club beside Besiktas to be allowed to use it.


If someone here is "misinformed" Kink, it' syou, in fact you're not even informed, you just jump to conclusions.

There is a very clear difference between Besiktas' logo and all these teams you just mentioned.

Look at this


That's an "M" right? Still not a McDonalds logo though.





All the discussion I've had on here I have provided plenty of sources, including our little discussion on supporters on the stands, remember that one? So unless you prove me wrong for a change maybe you should keep your sarcastic little remarks to yourself for a change.


Cause all you do is give those little comments, you barely ever have something constructive to say. It's easy to portray the other person in a discussion as someone who thinks he knows better and therefore is probably wrong, but that still doesn't make you right.

Saying "he thinks he knows about X" still doesn't prove him wrong, it just proves -- to someone that is actually following the discussion at hand -- that you just got nothing better to say.

Chalk and cheese about Mcdonalds. The ayyildiz used is the same ayyildiz used at other clubs, not something completely different apart from G.Birligi. So theres fact for you. They all have red backgrounds with white crescent and a star to symbolise our national flag. Not a yellow curved M to a sharp M with dots underneath it.

If the ayyildiz used in other clubs were like G.Birligi's then you'd have a point about being different.

But I know what you mean by being able to use it, you said BJK are the ONLY club to be allowed to use it, and now you're saying Karsiyaka are the the only OTHER club to use it. Fact again, you're wrong. You're wrong even again because Kasimpasa are included in that list. Fact again.

[Kink]

Do you even know what propaganda means?

You're no better, just as me you're always "right" in your own mind. The difference is I know this from myself, you still seem to think that everything you say is god's word and you only look at it from the chocolate side of the cookie.

Yeah I do know what it means.

Secondly. I've proved you wrong many times, I remember that crowd discussion, and again you were saying things that were wrong about your suppoert group.

Do you remember the recent Bobo discussion?? Where you falsely accused me in saying that I said Bobo was shit? I went through my posts to show you you were talking a load of shit. You went pretty quiet after that post I made.

You've just been proven wrong again about the ayyildiz thing, and about the Bobo thing.

I've never said my comments are godly, you like proof, I've given you proof/fact/evidence, especially in the Bobo talk, and what happened then? Razz went a bit quiet.

and for whatever it's worth, that comment about you thinking you know, was sarcasm.

[Kink]

Oh and on a side note, I couldnt care less who Ataturk supported, I dont care if he recorded himself saying he supported GS for that matter. Makes no difference to his legacy or turkish football.

[Sipahi]

Man he didnt SUPPORT any club he only had sympathy for several clubs, his sympathy for Fenerbahce was known to be big.

[Kink]

It doesnt bother me. I actually think it's sad to involve that man in football.

Football is a game, what he didnt wasnt. To mix the two in my opinion is some what insulting.

[Sipahi]

Well the misinformation some of you fellas spread bothers me.

[Razzerian]

infact I know much more than you about Turkish football as I follow all 6 leagues very closely and have for years. You probably haven't even heard of 3rd, 4th and BAL division teams.

I'm sorry to dissapoint you but you are not the only person who follows the lower divisions. And I find it funny how you assume you are. You seem to think I've only been following Turkish football for a few years, in fact it's been my passion since I was a child and I have always been on mixed forums that had older and very knowledgeable fans of both Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray. I learned a lot from these people and I do not claim to know everything there is to know cause that would be insane, however I have been following Turkish football in general and not just the first division for a long time.

For example I have always followed Eskisehirspor quite closely cause I was fascinated by their history and my father always told me fond stories of Eskisehirspor in the '70s and how the big teams all feared them. And no I amn not from Eskisehir. Furthermore I started following teams such as Sakaryaspor and Kocaelispor quite closely even when they relegated because they always have young talents worth checking out.



When it comes to the fanbase thing you're talking about. Where did you prove me wrong? All I had stated was there was a season where I can remember BJK fans never turned out to games infact they couldn't even pull 10k against Sivas, just because I don't post a ''youtube'' video doesn't make my post invalid.[/point]

No your point was invalid because I clearly showed with footage that what you claimed was false, you said that there where loads of empty stands but in the video's you could clearly see the stadium was filled except for the visiting tribunes. And it wasn't just the Sivasspor game, you mentioned quite a few games and I linked you footage from every single game. After that all you said whas "maybe it was another game" or something allong that line, and ever since that you've hard a little hard on for me trying to undermine my credibility with little cheeky comments.



You claim Fener fans to be glory hunters only judging by seeing empty seats on Fenerium, Maraton alt and some areas of Telsim and Migros alt. Telsim, Migros and Maraton ust is where the die-hard fans stand and in every game you can see these tribuns full, I can assure you we get a minimum of 25k fans rocking upto games each week that's what BJK's Inonu holds I believe.


The reason I claim Fener fans are "gloryhunters" has nothing to do with the empty seats in their stadium. Filling a 52,000 capacity stadium is something totally different from filling a 32,000 capacity stadium and I am perfectly aware of that.

The reason why I consider a large part of the Fenerbahçe fans "glory hunters" is because they start bitching about everything as soon as things go bad. Aziz Yildirim was an untouchable god no so long ago, now that you haven't been champions in ~4 years all of a sudden he's not so godly anymore. Christoph Daum was a wondeman his first season and his second season he already got critisized like mad because Fener didn't perform in Europe.

I saw loads of comments floating about at that time: "Fenerbahçe is too big for Turkey but not big enough for Europe" out of Fener fans' mouth. Two consecutive championships does not make you to big. Also the transfer politics, getting players like Anelka etc, so many Fenerbahçe fans where bragging their ass off how Besiktas and Galatasaray would never ever be able to pull those kind of transfers off.

Zico was critisized like a mad man aswell till he got Fenerbahçe to Q.Finals, all of a sudden he was a god. Believe me Kanarya, I don't base my opinion that lightly and I sure as hell don' tthink all Fenerbahçe fans are glory hunters. But Fenerbahçe have the most fans in Turkey and naturally that means that a larger part will be glory hunters.

That's just how it is,. But please do not put words in my mouth, I base my opinion on personal experience rather then television footage.

[Razzerian]

Yeah I do know what it means.

Then apply it propperly.



Secondly. I've proved you wrong many times, I remember that crowd discussion, and again you were saying things that were wrong about your suppoert group.


I remember that crowd discussion aswell yes, what exactly did you prove their? You juumped in on the discussion and took it an entire other direction cause you misinterpreted something I had said. The discussion between me and Kanarya about him claiming we had loads of empty seats was the core of the matter and you commented on something else I can't even remember at this point anymore.



Do you remember the recent Bobo discussion?? Where you falsely accused me in saying that I said Bobo was shit? I went through my posts to show you you were talking a load of shit. You went pretty quiet after that post I made.


If I was pretty quiet about it, it was probably cause I haven't seen your responce, just as I hadn't seen your responce in this thread till today as I usually tend to stick to certain threads and don't go outside of my own section that much.

However, I do recall you belittleing Bobô at times, maybe not as much as other Galatasaray fans but you sure as hell don't appreciate him as much as he deserves.




You've just been proven wrong again about the ayyildiz thing, and about the Bobo thing.


You are right Kink, and I will admit. I have been proven wrong. So both Karsiyaka and if I have to believe Kanarya Kasimpasa aswell are allowed to wear the Turkish crescent in their logo. (though I Have not found any source on that).

However, I went in to this topic pointing out that Besiktas had earned this honor, and last time I had checked Besiktas was still the soul club that where granted this Honor. So my mistake, I'm not to big to admit that. But you also need to understand that I'm not going to look around every day to see if any other Turkish club got granted the right to use the Turkish flag in their logo.

I had this same discussion ~6 years ago with a very Fanatical Fenerbahçe supporter who I respect a lot and I remember how frustrating it was to have to explain to someone that havinga moon and a star in your logo is not the same as having the honor to carry the Turkish crescen in your logo.

The meaning behind Besiktas' logo is also a lot different than that of any of the clubs you mentioned.



I've never said my comments are godly, you like proof, I've given you proof/fact/evidence, especially in the Bobo talk, and what happened then? Razz went a bit quiet.

Seriously Kink, I missed you post man, I will find it and serve you with a reply. It does not mean because someone doesn't reply to something you wrote that they are hiding from your awesomeness.

I've never ran away from a discussion/fight and I'm sure as hell not going to start now, so wipe that smirk off your face. Even if you "proved me wrong in your post" (I can't even remember what we where talking about really) that doesn't mean I'll go "quiet" like a little bitch, I find it offending you assume that is how I am. Cause it's not.



and for whatever it's worth, that comment about you thinking you know, was sarcasm.

Euh yeah, that was quite clear wasn't it? And I don't see how "for whatever it's worth" is supposed to passify that comment, I find it quite disrespectfull.

[Kanarya]

You are right Kink, and I will admit. I have been proven wrong. So both Karsiyaka and if I have to believe Kanarya Kasimpasa aswell are allowed to wear the Turkish crescent in their logo. (though I Have not found any source on that).
My cousin (a crazy KSK fan) informed me of the crescent on KSK and Kasimpasa long time ago.

This is what I found in a second just from wiki; Futbol dışında ***s ve güreş dallarında faaliyet gösteren kulüp, özellikle güreş alanında başarı elde etti. Gazanfer Bilge, Mehmet Oktav ve Ahmet Kireççi (Mersinli Ahmet) gibi güreşçiler uluslararası turnuvalarda birincilikler kazandılar. Bu yüzden kulübün armasında ay-yıldız kullanmasına izin verildi. so I guess if you type Kasimpa'nin arma oykusu on google you might find some info, but since when have you known about KSK? Because just a week ago you were ripping your ass that BJK were the only team.

If you don't know Turkish; google translate could be handy.

[Kanarya]

DAMN this thread is OFF-TOPIC.

[Türkiyedir Galatasaray]

Well the misinformation some of you fellas spread bothers me.

Well the misinformation YOU spread bothers some GS fans, ever think of that? Like you mentioned in this thread, which is about "Fenerbahce history" and has nothing to do with Galatasaray, you posted your anti-GS posts like - Galatasaray'da sehit yok, which Finaslan proved you wrong with posting source from GS official website. This thread has gone far too off-topic, that's why you should never mention Besiktas and Galatasaray in a Fenerbahce related thread and section, just a piece of advice ;)

[Crysis101]

My cousin (a crazy KSK fan) informed me of the crescent on KSK and Kasimpasa long time ago.

This is what I found in a second just from wiki; Futbol dışında ***s ve güreş dallarında faaliyet gösteren kulüp, özellikle güreş alanında başarı elde etti. Gazanfer Bilge, Mehmet Oktav ve Ahmet Kireççi (Mersinli Ahmet) gibi güreşçiler uluslararası turnuvalarda birincilikler kazandılar. Bu yüzden kulübün armasında ay-yıldız kullanmasına izin verildi. so I guess if you type Kasimpa'nin arma oykusu on google you might find some info, but since when have you known about KSK? Because just a week ago you were ripping your ass that BJK were the only team.

If you don't know Turkish; google translate could be handy.

Interesting, do you guys know the story behind Portsmouth fc's emblem? It's also some pretty interesting stuff.

[EnBuyukFener]

From wiki:
The official emblem contains a gold star and crescent on a blue shield, Portsmouth's adoption of the star and crescent (usually synonymous with Islam) is said to have come from when King Richard I, granted the city "a crescent of gold on a shade of azure, with a blazing star of eight points" which he had taken from the Byzantine Emperor's standard of Governor Isaac Komnenos, after capturing Cyprus. Throughout their history the club have tried different variations of the crest before reverting back to the basic gold star and crescent. In the 1950s and 1960s, the traditional crest was emblazoned on the shirt in white rather than gold but this was due to white being a cheaper alternative.

Between 1980 and 1989, Portsmouth scrapped the original crest and replaced it with a new design. This crest showed a football on top of an anchor (representing the navy) and a sword (representing the army). An interchangeable version included a circular version of the star and crescent crest in place of the football. The return of the original crest in 1989 only lasted four years when it was replaced by the city's coat of arms in 1993. This design was based around the basic star and crescent but was unpopular with many fans who thought it was over elaborate. After only four seasons the original crest was again reinstated. "Since 1898" was added to the badge underneath the club's name in time for the 2007 season. On 6 May 2008, Portsmouth unveiled a new crest which differs significantly from the old crest. The "star and moon" now have a three dimensional look after the "three points" was removed. The "moon" also has more diameter and looks quite like the city's Coat of Arms.

[Crysis101]

I heard this version

In 1850, two Ottoman Frigates "Mir'at-ı Zafer" and "Sirağ-ı Bahr-i Birlik" visited English Naval Base in Portsmouth, were they were welcomed by Sir Godfrey Webster and English Officers.


Because of the Cholera Epidemic started in 1849 about 1000 local citizens and a part of Turkish Marines died. The Turkish Marines were buried in Cemetery of Haslar Hospital, which served as a Military Hospital of Royal Navy between 1775-1996. Today the cemetery can still be visited. Most of Turkish Marines died in 1851.

Due to wish of General Sir John Lafroy a canon marked with the date 1464 was given as present by Ottoman Empire to Britain inn 1868. It can be visited today on Fort Nelson.


In 1870, Turkish Sultan Abdülaziz visited Britain. To honour his visit, the HMS Triumph was renamed as HMS Sultan. The name HMS Sultan was also given to a location. Today, HMS Sultan is the home of Royal Naval School of Marine Engineering (RNSME) and the Royal Naval Air Engineering and Survival School (RNAESS).

Because of this close relationship between Ottoman Empire and Great Britain, the city Portsmouth got Ottoman Emblems on it's coat of arms.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_there_a_star_and_crescent_on_the_Portsmouth_symbol#ixzz18rLzWOip

[Sipahi]

^ wtf?

[Crysis101]

Portsmouth FC

http://www.flmboynt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Portsmouth_FC_crest_2008.png

[Sipahi]

Why are we talking about freakin Portsmouth here???????????????

You guys better do some research about our logo, there is a nice story in it.

[Kink]

The acorn leaf part was underwhelming.

I thought it might of been a plant that was growing in the area of Kadikoy back when the club was first founded or something and they put that into the logo, but it wasnt. Just some guy saying it shows prosperity, greatness and what ever else he could think of at the time.

Your logo also has red and yellow in it.

[Fenerliyim]

The reason why I consider a large part of the Fenerbahçe fans "glory hunters" is because they start bitching about everything as soon as things go bad. Aziz Yildirim was an untouchable god no so long ago, now that you haven't been champions in ~4 years all of a sudden he's not so godly anymore. Christoph Daum was a wondeman his first season and his second season he already got critisized like mad because Fener didn't perform in Europe.

I saw loads of comments floating about at that time: "Fenerbahçe is too big for Turkey but not big enough for Europe" out of Fener fans' mouth. Two consecutive championships does not make you to big. Also the transfer politics, getting players like Anelka etc, so many Fenerbahçe fans where bragging their ass off how Besiktas and Galatasaray would never ever be able to pull those kind of transfers off.

Zico was critisized like a mad man aswell till he got Fenerbahçe to Q.Finals, all of a sudden he was a god. Believe me Kanarya, I don't base my opinion that lightly and I sure as hell don' tthink all Fenerbahçe fans are glory hunters. But Fenerbahçe have the most fans in Turkey and naturally that means that a larger part will be glory hunters.

That's just how it is,. But please do not put words in my mouth, I base my opinion on personal experience rather then television footage.

lmao if anything you guys are the biggest flip floppers of them all. its YETER DEMIROREN one minute and the exact opposite the second he does something good.

a glory hunter isnt someone who supports their team president no matter wat, its a person who supports the team no matter wat. If A.Yildirim starts doing more bad than good for FB, he is no longer untouchable. No one is bigger then the club. And we make our feelings known to show wat we think is best for the club.

IMO its his time to go and i have a right to say that.

[Razzerian]

Thing is "we" never claimed him to be the best baskan ever and shit like that, Aziz Yildirim has been portrayed as a demi-god by so many of your backing, he is being made out to be some sort of hero and all his misbehaviors get ignored.

I'm not as cocky as to say I speak for all the Besiktas fans but speaking for myself, I've said it many times, I don't think Yildirim Demirören is a great president. As a matter of fact I thought that Serdar Bilgili, and still believe till this day, was a far better president and would've systimatically brought Besiktas back to it's glory days. Without pumping milions of euros in to the club like Demirören did/is doing.


Sure there are tools out there who suck Yildirim Demirören's toes right now, but I'm not one of them. And I'm not about to accuse any of you but look in to your own heart for a second and look at how you viewed Aziz Yildirim four years ago before he fired Zico and all that stuff.

Hell Sipahi still thinks he is the bringer of truth and glory.



Fenerliyim, you have by all means the right to express your discontent about your president, however there is a little saying that goes: "Iyi günde, kötu günde". In good and in bad days, Aziz Yildirim -- to my personal opinion -- is a good president. He might be a dick and a slimeball from my point of view as a Besiktas fan, but I personally believe he deserves a lot of respect for what he has done.

Without Aziz Yildirim, Fenerbahçe would not be the financial powerhouse they are today, they would not have a 52,000 seater top notch stadium and they would not have signed the numerous big names they have in the past.


Believe me, with Ali Sen you wouldn't be much better off. And please keep in mind how Canaydin got demonised when he was the President of GS and how Adnan Polat was portrayed as the savior of the club, the same thing happend to even Süleyman Seba at some point (just to not piss off the GSli here I'll include my own club 'cause we know how long some's toenails can get around here).

The thing is, a great president in a bad time for the club doesn't always get recognised, and everyone makes mistakes. Canaydin got Galatasaray out of a sesspit of financial depth and the verge of bankruptcy while still maintaining success and attracting decent players to the club. I've already mentioned what Aziz Yildirim has done and I don't think I need to speak about Süleyman Seba who was the greatest president in Besiktas' club history.



Truth be told, there are no clubs in any competitive league in the world that have absolute domination, it always goes in pack of several years, mainly it has to do with a generation of players, the power WILL and SHALL always shift. The biggest problems is that some fans, determine which ones for yourself, only like it when their club does well. Those fans are glory hunters.

I've been a Besiktas fan for many years, I've seen only 3 Championships in that timespan and I've never stopped supporting my team, in fact my fanatism gets worse when we are doing bad, everyone can support a team that is doing well but only true fans stick with them when they're doing bad. Btw, raging and trolling on forums I do not call "supporting y our team", that's a little sidenote, if you feel adressed it's your problem, this was not aimed at anyone in particular.

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There is no chairman like Aziz Yildirim in Turkey you first need to accept this, you are only mentioning the things he did in football but you forget the other branches.

Name me another sportsclub that recruits sportsmen and women to win medals in the OLYMPIC GAMES & medals in European Championships and World competitions?

Name me another sportsclub that managed to win the World Cup in an Olympic team sport?

To play in a Champions League final?

To bring the best players around the world to Turkey in every branch!!!

Name me 1 Turkish sportsclub who played for the topspots in almost every branch (domestic and non-domestic) that must be a record.

I can go on all day long but you got the point.

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