Racist Fans

[Footballz]

This really pisses me off. If you are racist leave it at home. Im sure that your team has different nationality players so to respect them you have to respect other teams aswell.

[deathskinbeer]

i'm racist and i leave my polotics at home.

[soccerates]

This really pisses me off. If you are racist leave it at home. Im sure that your team has different nationality players so to respect them you have to respect other teams aswell.

There is a poster by the name of Philipas that has been dancing from national team forum to the next insulting each of the races of the respective forums with slurs and such. He's digusting, and has now resorted to stalking me privately through PM...I've had to ask the forum moderators to put a stop to it.

[MarieL]

i'm racist and i leave my polotics at home.
Why are you racist? I'd like to hear a comprehensible reason.

[Minof]

Why are you racist? I'd like to hear a comprehensible reason.

Racists are ignorant. :mad2:

[Venom]

Racists are ignorant. :mad2:
id prefer to say stupid but ignorant works just as well

[MarieL]

id prefer to say stupid but ignorant works just as well
I'd say stupid and ignorant, but then again my tolerance to such behaviour is known to be limited.

[soccerates]

I'd say stupid and ignorant, but then again my tolerance to such behaviour is known to be limited.

Ignorant, angry, frustrated, probably have dual personalities...didn't understand all the hate that might have been in their culture, or environment growing up, but got accustomed to it after a while.

Psychologically speaking, and marketers know this all too well, most humans need to hear the same thing about 7 times before they accept it as truth. Therefore if you can get your message to them in different mediums, in succession, you can convince them that something is fact without any objective proof of such.

Like the recent McDonald's slogan; "I'm lovin it!" With all the happy smiling children "loving it". Shameful marketing at suceptible minds of young children, convincing them that if they're not getting McDonald's, that they're not experinecing "love" somehow neglected. It's sad.

And back to the point, it's probably how people become outright bigots and racists, through the same sort of reinforcement they simple accept something to be true.

Yep, its out of ignorance to educate themselves.

[philipas]

There is a poster by the name of Philipas that has been dancing from national team forum to the next insulting each of the races of the respective forums with slurs and such. He's digusting, and has now resorted to stalking me privately through PM...I've had to ask the forum moderators to put a stop to it.


I am not a racist...why are you slandering me in other threads???

[Toke-E-Yo]

yah racist *chinese*cough cough fans really piss me off....racist fans :Spanish* cough cough really piss me off to

[deathskinbeer]

i dont want to argue with you guys about polotics call me what u will but you wont change me. i choose to keep my polotics to my self.
i dont consider myself white power
i consider myself white pride
i'm proud of my race is that a shame? if your not proud of your race theres something wrong with you.i dont think that killing other people is gonna solve anything. i'm not the stupid bonehead you make all people like me out to be. its sad when society calls you a racist for being proud of your race but if thats what it is than i am a racist.

[EASports]

There is a poster by the name of Philipas that has been dancing from national team forum to the next insulting each of the races of the respective forums with slurs and such. He's digusting, and has now resorted to stalking me privately through PM...I've had to ask the forum moderators to put a stop to it.

& who are you.....some self appointed justice ?
Phillipas can post whatever he wants. I have had my run in with him before as well but you are are total wanker if you don't like what he posts and you have to bitch about it. You remind of the school yard goodie who would run
to the teacher and tell......yet you never counted on the rest of us waiting for you at the bus stop after school ! :evil:

Let it be - if you don't like it then bye bye

[EASports]

In australian soccer racism was part of the game..but that is all
pretty much gone now with the new A-League.

[poutismalakas]

i dont want to argue with you guys about polotics call me what u will but you wont change me. i choose to keep my polotics to my self.
i dont consider myself white power
i consider myself white pride
i'm proud of my race is that a shame? if your not proud of your race theres something wrong with you.i dont think that killing other people is gonna solve anything. i'm not the stupid bonehead you make all people like me out to be. its sad when society calls you a racist for being proud of your race but if thats what it is than i am a racist.
I feel that everyone has a right to their opinon and I agree with you that one SHOULD be proud of their heritage!!!! BUT to feel that someone of a different ethnicity is inferior of superior another just because they are that ethnicity is dumb. I believe that 30% of the world human population is worthless. Now don't get all pissy I think that 30% of EVERY ethnicity is worthless. Look at it this way why is that people who should not have kids have a shit load and those who should don't even have 1???? Also my belief of the 30% is that we had disease and other facters that helped in population control have been now checked so those 30%ers are now surviving and breeding!

[EASports]

I feel that everyone has a right to their opinon and I agree with you that one SHOULD be proud of their heritage!!!! BUT to feel that someone of a different ethnicity is inferior of superior another just because they are that ethnicity is dumb. I believe that 30% of the world human population is worthless. Now don't get all pissy I think that 30% of EVERY ethnicity is worthless. Look at it this way why is that people who should not have kids have a shit load and those who should don't even have 1???? Also my belief of the 30% is that we had disease and other facters that helped in population control have been now checked so those 30%ers are now surviving and breeding!

Many of these people have their achievemnets mentioned in the Darwin Awards annually.

[poutismalakas]

Many of these people have their achievemnets mentioned in the Darwin Awards annually.
Damn right!!!!!! Too bad we don't practice what we preach about how the wild kingdom works :shocked: !!!

[SiN]

Bein racist does not help to make football grow and strengthen throughout the world...i mean what kind of people wud want to go to a match where others are swearing at players and supporters and constant fighting and stabbing going on....this stuff shud be left at home and it is very wrong to think this way about other people...we are all human....we are the same...but some people tend to think they are betta than others...keep it real guys...

peace

[nachi88]

I feel that everyone has a right to their opinon and I agree with you that one SHOULD be proud of their heritage!!!! BUT to feel that someone of a different ethnicity is inferior of superior another just because they are that ethnicity is dumb. I believe that 30% of the world human population is worthless. Now don't get all pissy I think that 30% of EVERY ethnicity is worthless. Look at it this way why is that people who should not have kids have a shit load and those who should don't even have 1???? Also my belief of the 30% is that we had disease and other facters that helped in population control have been now checked so those 30%ers are now surviving and breeding!

just 30%. I think 98.5% of the worlds people are worthless...

the rest are Germans :D j/k

[RaulMadrid7]

just 30%. I think 98.5% of the worlds people are worthless...

the rest are Germans :D j/k


Nachi, sometimes I wonder why you say these things.

[nachi88]

Nachi, sometimes I wonder why you say these things.

To start a controversy, life is boring without them.

btw: i jope you noticed the smilie and the 'j/k' I put at the end of it. :p

[MarieL]

i dont want to argue with you guys about polotics call me what u will but you wont change me. i choose to keep my polotics to my self.
i dont consider myself white power
i consider myself white pride
i'm proud of my race is that a shame? if your not proud of your race theres something wrong with you.i dont think that killing other people is gonna solve anything. i'm not the stupid bonehead you make all people like me out to be. its sad when society calls you a racist for being proud of your race but if thats what it is than i am a racist.
No no no, society doesn't call anyone racist for being proud of their own race, there's nothing wrong with that, but being proud of something isn't the same as thinking it's better or superior to another and that is racist thinking. It was you yourself who called you racist, so don't go blaming society or anyone else for that. I'm not particularly proud of my "race" (we're all the same race biologically speaking), I mean just look at our history, pretty horrid, but there are similar things in the history of every "race", so that's no reason to be ashamed of the currently living members of our "race". However the way we (not necessarily you and me, but since we're lumping people together based on their skin colour here..jeesh...) treat the third world countries is. We "genious" white folk haven't only developed a series of things destroying this earth everyday, but are also forcing every "race" to live how we live whether they have resources for it or not while shamelessly taking advantage of their poverty.

But I'm not the kind of person who lumps people together based on "race", so I'm not comparing them either. There are sick and twisted things in all ethnic groups (I tend to agree that more than half of the world population is a waste of space, but that has to do with what's inside a person and I'm not talking about genes), so I won't define anyone based on their ethnicity. We're all individuals ffs! That's why I'm no fan of nationalistic thinking either. I would be pretty pissed if someone thought I'm just like every other white person or every other Finn, so I why would I think like that about others? Treat people like you want to be treated no matter what their country of birth is and that goes for politics as well. That's all I can say.

Sorry, needed to vent.

ETA: Forgot one thing. How can you say you're proud of a "race" or a nation? That would mean you are proud of every member of it and you only know a tiny fraction of them personally, so that's kind of impossible. But of course if you want to be blindly proud of every nutcase and psychopath because their part of your ethnic group then go ahead, it just strikes me as odd. Only people I'm really proud of are my friends and family, the rest I would have to meet first.

[soccerates]

just 30%. I think 98.5% of the worlds people are worthless...

the rest are Germans :D j/k


Yuck, that's a poor poor joke Nachi, bad taste. One would think that you would have better taste given what Germany has gone through during WWII and thereafter...poor judgment...

[soccerates]

To start a controversy, life is boring without them.

btw: i jope you noticed the smilie and the 'j/k' I put at the end of it. :p


You miss the point, starting contraversy that is negative with a joke that shows poor character is in bad taste. I think that was his point.

[soccerates]

No no no, society doesn't call anyone racist for being proud of their own race, there's nothing wrong with that, but being proud of something isn't the same as thinking it's better or superior to another and that is racist thinking. It was you yourself who called you racist, so don't go blaming society or anyone else for that. I'm not particularly proud of my "race" (we're all the same race biologically speaking), I mean just look at our history, pretty horrid, but there are similar things in the history of every "race", so that's no reason to be ashamed of the currently living members of our "race". However the way we (not necessarily you and me, but since we're lumping people together based on their skin colour here..jeesh...) treat the third world countries is. We "genious" white folk haven't only developed a series of things destroying this earth everyday, but are also forcing every "race" to live how we live whether they have resources for it or not while shamelessly taking advantage of their poverty.

But I'm not the kind of person who lumps people together based on "race", so I'm not comparing them either. There are sick and twisted things in all ethnic groups (I tend to agree that more than half of the world population is a waste of space, but that has to do with what's inside a person and I'm not talking about genes), so I won't define anyone based on their ethnicity. We're all individuals ffs! That's why I'm no fan of nationalistic thinking either. I would be pretty pissed if someone thought I'm just like every other white person or every other Finn, so I why would I think like that about others? Treat people like you want to be treated no matter what their country of birth is and that goes for politics as well. That's all I can say.

Sorry, needed to vent.

ETA: Forgot one thing. How can you say you're proud of a "race" or a nation? That would mean you are proud of every member of it and you only know a tiny fraction of them personally, so that's kind of impossible. But of course if you want to be blindly proud of every nutcase and psychopath because their part of your ethnic group then go ahead, it just strikes me as odd. Only people I'm really proud of are my friends and family, the rest I would have to meet first.

Well said. I'm kind of sensitive to these issues as I've recently been the target of racial slurs from one Philipas on these forums. I've had to get moderators involved to get him to stop pm'ing me with racial slurs. I even tried to approach Nachi, but he didn't seem interested in helping out. Sad...

[Footballz]

In that case Philipas seems like a sad sad man.

[SiN]

guys lets not turn into racists are selfs...cant u see we are insulting each otha for no reason...keep the peace

[deathskinbeer]

i did call myself a racist because thats how society sees me. i dont believe that any race is any better than any other race. all races have their stupid people and whites are no diff i'll be the first to admit. i just love my race.if i was black i'd love the fact that i was black and i would love my culture.

[Michael Buckley]

Flippin hell! I can't stand all racist haters of all nationalities and rascist supporters wherever they come from.Unfortunately no country or football club is exempt from the few mindless moronic scumbag supporters ! :boo:

[MarieL]

i did call myself a racist because thats how society sees me. i dont believe that any race is any better than any other race. all races have their stupid people and whites are no diff i'll be the first to admit. i just love my race.if i was black i'd love the fact that i was black and i would love my culture.
How does that make you racist? I still don't understand. What kind of society says it's wrong to love your own "race"? It's only wrong if you're also prejudiced towards other ethnicities and discriminate them. Do you do that? If you do then I would call you racist.

[Convey11]

You can't be racist to play the game or half the time to even watch it, I mean your gonna get over it. There isn't one team in the world that has all the same race on the entire team....(there probably are, but just making a point) If you play and yuour racist know that there are going to be whites,blacks, or hispanics, on the team, your gonna have to get over it.

[deathskinbeer]

How does that make you racist? I still don't understand. What kind of society says it's wrong to love your own "race"? It's only wrong if you're also prejudiced towards other ethnicities and discriminate them. Do you do that? If you do then I would call you racist.

because in most parts of the usa you are considered a racist if you have racial pride

[soccerates]

In that case Philipas seems like a sad sad man.

Not only that, but he apparently contacted moderators and told them that I was pm'ing him, completely twisting the whole situation around, when he was sending me racist insults calling me a "mario mother ***ker" a "mafioso cock sucker, with a wife beater and toothpick in my mouth" "go eat your penne and ragu sauce you prosciuto loving cheesball" etc...some worse that i dont' care to mention. I forwarded them to all the moderators I knew of or could find. Hopefully it stops.

[MarieL]

because in most parts of the usa you are considered a racist if you have racial pride
Well it depends on how you define racial pride. I don't expect anyone to be ashamed of their ethnicity, but if they go around announcing how frigging glad they are to be white or black or whatever implying the other option would suck then I would probably call you racist. But why are you proud of being "white"? You had nothing to do with it.

[EASports]

"go eat your penne and ragu sauce you prosciuto loving cheesball"

hahahaha....thats funny :D

[Ronaldinho Rulz]

hahahaha....thats funny :D


No it's dumb and I can't understand the childs mind that think it's funny.

[RaulMadrid7]

because in most parts of the usa you are considered a racist if you have racial pride

Can you care to share with us your views on society, it is all your opinion we understand that but I would like to know what you mean by being white and proud.

Many of my friends are white and they don't go around showing it off because to be honest with you, saying that you have racial pride sounds kind of racist unless you can explain what you mean by that?

[EASports]

No it's dumb and I can't understand the childs mind that think it's funny.

Perhaps I don't have the "brain surgeons" mind that some people think that they have :boo:

[Footballz]

You can't be racist to play the game or half the time to even watch it, I mean your gonna get over it. There isn't one team in the world that has all the same race on the entire team....(there probably are, but just making a point) If you play and yuour racist know that there are going to be whites,blacks, or hispanics, on the team, your gonna have to get over it.

I totally agree. I dont know why people are racist. Look at the PSG vs Lens game last season where all the PSG fans were racist to black Lens players, how stupid is that? PSG have alot of black players on their own team and ones that carry the team so they are just dissing themselves...Racism is rubbish.

[soccerates]

Perhaps I don't have the "brain surgeons" mind that some people think that they have :boo:

No, rather it's that you are immature.

[EASports]

No, rather it's that you are immature.

Well we all cannot be as wise and clever as soccerates :ronaldo:

Better tell the mods now :arrow:

[soccerates]

Well we all cannot be as wise and clever as soccerates :ronaldo:

True, recognizing your weaknesses might eventually turn them into strengths ;)

[EASports]

True, recognizing your weaknesses might eventually turn them into strengths ;)

So I could be clever & wise like you ? :confused:

[philipas]

No, rather it's that you are immature.


soccerates, you know very well you fabricated those PM's. why are you sullying me in this thread as well. you told me not to be a troll, but when you are spreading lies about me I must respond. it's not funny...i said i will leave things behind me, but you're continuing this stupid tit for tat arguement....

[soccerates]

soccerates, you know very well you fabricated those PM's.

You've already been warned, and I sent them all to the moderators. Stop playing games, it's over now...don't rehash the past, and I DID not fabricate them. I've seriously getting sick and tired of your trolling and stalking, leave me alone already.

[deathskinbeer]

Can you care to share with us your views on society, it is all your opinion we understand that but I would like to know what you mean by being white and proud.

Many of my friends are white and they don't go around showing it off because to be honest with you, saying that you have racial pride sounds kind of racist unless you can explain what you mean by that?


by being white and pround means that i'm white and i'm proud of my culture. thats it.my ancestors date back to germanic tribes in viking days i'm proud of that. i dunno i'm a geek lol. where i live alot of people are closed minded towards racial pride. they consider it racist but know nothing about it. i think its important for everyone to know their background and be proud of it. blacks,whites,asians,ect. it dont matter be proud of your culture. in no way am i saying my culture is superior to anyone elses. in my opinion a racist feels superiority in his race. i dont feel that. but i am considered a racist where i live so i live with the label.if thats a racist i am one

[poutismalakas]

soccerates, you know very well you fabricated those PM's. why are you sullying me in this thread as well. you told me not to be a troll, but when you are spreading lies about me I must respond. it's not funny...i said i will leave things behind me, but you're continuing this stupid tit for tat arguement....
Philipas IGNORE him... he is a jackass ! You have NEVER said anything remotely racist unless PROVOKED by anti-Greek crap in OUR threads!!! So don't worry I got your back and I'm sure other mods do too :D

[poutismalakas]

You've already been warned, and I sent them all to the moderators. Stop playing games, it's over now...don't rehash the past, and I DID not fabricate them. I've seriously getting sick and tired of your trolling and stalking, leave me alone already.
whe'res MY pm buddy :rolleyes: ???? I suggest you stop this CHILDISH bittering !!!!!!

[soccerates]

whe'res MY pm buddy :rolleyes: ???? I suggest you stop this CHILDISH bittering !!!!!!

Whatever pal. You just called me a jackass and the suggested to Philipas to not "ignore" me, inciting more bickering? Doesn't that smack of a contradiction to you? Then you ironically suggest I stop bickering? Sure...

You wouldn't be the slightest bit impressed if you received the tons of hate mail that I did in those two days. I made it public to get Philipas to stop, and it since has...so my objective has been met + I don't know you or that you're a moderator, so I sent it to the super mod who addressed the issue just fine.

So Philipas can stop lying now, it's done.

[poutismalakas]

Whatever pal. You just called me a jackass and the suggested to Philipas to not "ignore" me, inciting more bickering? Doesn't that smack of a contradiction to you? Then you ironically suggest I stop bickering? Sure...

You wouldn't be the slightest bit impressed if you received the tons of hate mail that I did in those two days. I made it public to get Philipas to stop, and it since has...so my objective has been met + I don't know you or that you're a moderator, so I sent it to the super mod who addressed the issue just fine.

So Philipas can stop lying now, it's done.

From what I know of philipas he doesn't attack unless provoked!????

Also this is a message board???? for ANYONE to get all butthurt about what some guy they'll never meet said is a little childish don't think??? This is NOT only directed towards yourself BUT to anyone who cries about what he she said???? VERY few people have to guts to act all tough to someone's face!! So I say ignore it and relax!!! :D

[soccerates]

From what I know of philipas he doesn't attack unless provoked!????

Really, then do a search with Philipas and Soccerates and read who attacked first. A challenge to back up comments with proof and evidence is not an attack, otherwise every judge and lawyer in the world would be accused as such, not to mention philosophers, etc, who take strong positions on key aspects of life. I challenged Philipas to back up his assertions, and the degeneration started from there.

I can handle insults on a personal level, and match them if need, no big deal because they are just words. BUT I am sensitive to racial inuendo and slurs because I have to deal with people that are ignorant like this everyday in real life through my line of work. Educating them can be quite a process, and I certainly didn't expect for this to happen here just because I have some strong points of view (which some don't agree with and others do) on soccer. I've been watching for over 30 years, so I have probably have a bitlarger knowledge base, and would rather stick to evidence and debate rather than shit-talk.

Just take a look at what one poster did when I made the wrong assumption (we're all human and I can make mistakes too) that Serbia used their full squad...I was called a "***king ****" for that. What gives? This is ridiculous. You calling me a jackass without knowing anything about me is a sign that you'd rather resort to name calling too. I'm not saying I'm innocent but I never start name calling as a matter of priority in debate. It's dumb.

[poutismalakas]

Really, then do a search with Philipas and Soccerates and read who attacked first. A challenge to back up comments with proof and evidence is not an attack, otherwise every judge and lawyer in the world would be accused as such, not to mention philosophers, etc, who take strong positions on key aspects of life. I challenged Philipas to back up his assertions, and the degeneration started from there.

I can handle insults on a personal level, and match them if need, no big deal because they are just words. BUT I am sensitive to racial inuendo and slurs because I have to deal with people that are ignorant like this everyday in real life through my line of work. Educating them can be quite a process, and I certainly didn't expect for this to happen here just because I have some strong points of view (which some don't agree with and others do) on soccer. I've been watching for over 30 years, so I have probably have a bitlarger knowledge base, and would rather stick to evidence and debate rather than shit-talk.

Just take a look at what one poster did when I made the wrong assumption (we're all human and I can make mistakes too) that Serbia used their full squad...I was called a "***king ****" for that. What gives? This is ridiculous. You calling me a jackass without knowing anything about me is a sign that you'd rather resort to name calling too. I'm not saying I'm innocent but I never start name calling as a matter of priority in debate. It's dumb.
I am researching it right now anf it will take me some time!!!!
BUT from what I see so far BOTH OF YOU are acting in the wrong!!! So I sujjest that both of you STOP this crap!!!!!! And since you brought lawyers let me ask you this lets say Phil punched you and you punched back what would happen?????? I'd say both of you would go to jail right??? SO STOP IT BOTH OF YOU AGAIN! Oh and please don't pm me to state your case OK.
AND Remember sticks and stones may break your bones BUT names will NEVER hurt you

[soccerates]

I am researching it right now anf it will take me some time!!!!
BUT from what I see so far BOTH OF YOU are acting in the wrong!!! So I sujjest that both of you STOP this crap!!!!!!

I have. I don't respond to him, and he has stopped pm'ing me. My objective has been met. And remember it was YOU who just a few messages back suggested to Phil that he doesn't ignore me. So now you've changed your position and suggest that we both stop. I like that one better.


And since you brought lawyers let me ask you this lets say Phil punched you and you punched back what would happen??????

If I was defending my human rights, Phil would still be charged with assault if he initiated it.

But I'll remind you about what this really is about: IGNORNACE AND RACISM. There is NO place for it anywhere in the world and we all have to do our part to put an end to it, even if this is just a small forum. The TOPIC of this thread is RACISM, and many have expressed their dislikes towards them. I was proactive in making what was said public, and IT HAS STOPPED THE BEHAVIOR, and hopefully made someone think twice before acting like this again. I think the job is done.


I'd say both of you would go to jail right???

No, you have no concept of the laws that govern human rights. Defending oneself under any sort of violence is acceptable by ANY court that abides by the rights for one to use whatever means necessary to defend their lives. This is put at the totem pole of human rights.


SO STOP IT BOTH OF YOU AGAIN! Oh and please don't pm me to state your case OK.

I haven't, nor do I care to. You've said some contradictory stuff here, and quite frankly the super moderator delt with it just fine.


AND Remember sticks and stones may break your bones BUT names will NEVER hurt you

That doesn't excuse racism. Fans in every stadium in the world get banned for being racist. It shouldn't be different here. You've heard of FIFA's quest to stop Racism. Well consider my actions a public service to do the same.

Calling someone a jackass is significantly different that using racial slurs.

[MarieL]

by being white and pround means that i'm white and i'm proud of my culture. thats it.my ancestors date back to germanic tribes in viking days i'm proud of that. i dunno i'm a geek lol. where i live alot of people are closed minded towards racial pride. they consider it racist but know nothing about it. i think its important for everyone to know their background and be proud of it. blacks,whites,asians,ect. it dont matter be proud of your culture. in no way am i saying my culture is superior to anyone elses. in my opinion a racist feels superiority in his race. i dont feel that. but i am considered a racist where i live so i live with the label.if thats a racist i am one
I still don't understand what you mean by "racial pride". How do you separate races? Is it just based on skin colour or what? I mean let's take Asians for example, they don't all look alike. Thai people don't look like Chinese people, not even the Chinese and the Japanese look the same, so are they all the same race? What about Indians, Palestinians, Saudis... Are they the same race? They don't look exactly alike. "White" people are even the more difficult to lump together, just compare the Swedes to the French or the English to the Greeks and you see a world of difference! Why don't you talk about peoples instead of races if you're proud of your culture? Being proud of you "race" is pretty vague considering there are dozens of white peoples with dozens of cultures. You can't be proud of them all, can you? If you think your so called race is white and you're proud of that then it sounds like you can't get past the colour of one's skin. Be proud of your culture and heritage but talking about races... that's just strange. And how exactly do you express that pride if the society is so aware of it as to label you racist and you accept that label yourself? I would not call myself racist just because someone else told me that's what I am.

[poutismalakas]

I have. I don't respond to him, and he has stopped pm'ing me. My objective has been met. And remember it was YOU who just a few messages back suggested to Phil that he doesn't ignore me. So now you've changed your position and suggest that we both stop. I like that one better.



If I was defending my human rights, Phil would still be charged with assault if he initiated it.

But I'll remind you about what this really is about: IGNORNACE AND RACISM. There is NO place for it anywhere in the world and we all have to do our part to put an end to it, even if this is just a small forum. The TOPIC of this thread is RACISM, and many have expressed their dislikes towards them. I was proactive in making what was said public, and IT HAS STOPPED THE BEHAVIOR, and hopefully made someone think twice before acting like this again. I think the job is done.



No, you have no concept of the laws that govern human rights. Defending oneself under any sort of violence is acceptable by ANY court that abides by the rights for one to use whatever means necessary to defend their lives. This is put at the totem pole of human rights.



I haven't, nor do I care to. You've said some contradictory stuff here, and quite frankly the super moderator delt with it just fine.



That doesn't excuse racism. Fans in every stadium in the world get banned for being racist. It shouldn't be different here. You've heard of FIFA's quest to stop Racism. Well consider my actions a public service to do the same.

Calling someone a jackass is significantly different that using racial slurs.
where is the racism here????
I just lost 1 million brain cells with this.... I am done OK !!

[nachi88]

I still don't understand what you mean by "racial pride". How do you separate races? Is it just based on skin colour or what? I mean let's take Asians for example, they don't all look alike. Thai people don't look like Chinese people, not even the Chinese and the Japanese look the same, so are they all the same race? What about Indians, Palestinians, Saudis... Are they the same race? They don't look exactly alike. "White" people are even the more difficult to lump together, just compare the Swedes to the French or the English to the Greeks and you see a world of difference! Why don't you talk about peoples instead of races if you're proud of your culture? Being proud of you "race" is pretty vague considering there are dozens of white peoples with dozens of cultures. You can't be proud of them all, can you? If you think your so called race is white and you're proud of that then it sounds like you can't get past the colour of one's skin. Be proud of your culture and heritage but talking about races... that's just strange. And how exactly do you express that pride if the society is so aware of it as to label you racist and you accept that label yourself? I would not call myself racist just because someone else told me that's what I am.

yes, what you say about races is true.. the whites can be futher split into different races like nordic, phalic,slav, dinaric, hungarian, etc. even the black race can be split up into masai, xhosa, west african, pygmy etc, so white and black are generic terms and not scientific terms.

And deathskin... its never wrong to be proud of what you are. :thumbsup:
That isnt racism

[Maxpayne]

Wait wait wait guys! Hold on a second! I ran out of popcorn so i need to go grab some and then you can continue your extreme fight here guys :D
http://mods.soccergaming.tv/~iceblu/Ice/sport-smiley-002.gif Today in Washintgton D.c we have mega fight between soccerates and philipas! No punching below stomach or you're out for crist sake! :D

[philipas]

I am researching it right now anf it will take me some time!!!!
BUT from what I see so far BOTH OF YOU are acting in the wrong!!! So I sujjest that both of you STOP this crap!!!!!! And since you brought lawyers let me ask you this lets say Phil punched you and you punched back what would happen?????? I'd say both of you would go to jail right??? SO STOP IT BOTH OF YOU AGAIN! Oh and please don't pm me to state your case OK.
AND Remember sticks and stones may break your bones BUT names will NEVER hurt you

I admit that both of us behaved badly, but I deny ever sending any PM's slurring him. They are pure fabrications. I only PMed him to stop this stupid tit for tat arguement and now I am not PMing him anymore because I am too weary that he will keep fabricating more PM's and keep tainting me.
I never started with him. I was criticising someone else who was was being ant-German and that's how we started. I came to the defence of a race not against one and this is the only time I get arguementative when others of any race pretend to better, be they Italian, Serb, Croat, GREEK, whatever.
But he will not take any criticism of the Azzurri and its players and that's why he can be considered a racist, because he has a superiority complex about being Italian. Feeling superior means others are less than you.
I am Greek-Australian and have often criticised other Greeks who pretend to be superior. I don't think we are the best and make excuses for what is wrong no matter what...
I'm sure everyone has had enough of this saga and it shouldn't have spread into other threads...
I am willing to leave it behind us as long as others do too...

[soccerates]

Wait wait wait guys! Hold on a second! I ran out of popcorn so i need to go grab some and then you can continue your extreme fight here guys :D
http://mods.soccergaming.tv/~iceblu/Ice/sport-smiley-002.gif Today in Washintgton D.c we have mega fight between soccerates and philipas! No punching below stomach or you're out for crist sake! :D

ROTFLMAO...nice!

[soccerates]

where is the racism here????

It was in other threads and in private messaging.

[soccerates]

I admit that both of us behaved badly, but I deny ever sending any PM's slurring him.

So are you saying that someone got a hold of your account and password and sent it from there, trying to frame you?

Cuz lying about me fabricating them is weak.

Why the hell would I do that?!? That's ridiculous. I'm pefectly capable of schooling you in any debate without resorting to name calling as you started. Then you get offended when I out you in that too. Sorry, I'm not trying to toot my horn here, but you certainly had the motive to do so, and I'm not so crass that I would make shit like that up. You've editted out comments that you made in poor character to Dutch fan too, and he can confirm that, so why wouldn't it be possible for you to now just be sore that you did those things? And if you really didn't, then who did?!?

Bah...it's done now...I'm not getting anymore, and I hope (for your sake) it never happens again.

[RaulMadrid7]

I still don't understand what you mean by "racial pride". How do you separate races? Is it just based on skin colour or what? I mean let's take Asians for example, they don't all look alike. Thai people don't look like Chinese people, not even the Chinese and the Japanese look the same, so are they all the same race? What about Indians, Palestinians, Saudis... Are they the same race? They don't look exactly alike. "White" people are even the more difficult to lump together, just compare the Swedes to the French or the English to the Greeks and you see a world of difference! Why don't you talk about peoples instead of races if you're proud of your culture? Being proud of you "race" is pretty vague considering there are dozens of white peoples with dozens of cultures. You can't be proud of them all, can you? If you think your so called race is white and you're proud of that then it sounds like you can't get past the colour of one's skin. Be proud of your culture and heritage but talking about races... that's just strange. And how exactly do you express that pride if the society is so aware of it as to label you racist and you accept that label yourself? I would not call myself racist just because someone else told me that's what I am.

Thank you MarieL for explaining what I was trying to say to him.

In the end we are all the same, it's only the ignorance that keeps us apart.

[deathskinbeer]

in a nutshell this is what i'm trying to say. my ancestors were vikings. because i am an odinist (the viking religion) people judge me as racist and have for a long time because everyone considers it the "white religion" and in reality not all whites belived in odin (mostly the nordic and germanic tribes). my ancestors did however, i'm just trying to keep my culture alive. i keep it to myself also, i dont say my religion and race is any better than anyone elses because everyone has a right to practice their religion in the usa.
but because of my religion i've been labeled a racist by the people that live around me.
besides i dont think that i'm racist because i have pride in my culture.i play footy with some etheopians that live in my apartment building and sometimes with the mexicans that do too, but everyone still calls me a racist.

[RaulMadrid7]

in a nutshell this is what i'm trying to say. my ancestors were vikings. because i am an odinist (the viking religion) people judge me as racist and have for a long time because everyone considers it the "white religion" and in reality not all whites belived in odin (mostly the nordic and germanic tribes). my ancestors did however, i'm just trying to keep my culture alive. i keep it to myself also, i dont say my religion and race is any better than anyone elses because everyone has a right to practice their religion in the usa.
but because of my religion i've been labeled a racist by the people that live around me.
besides i dont think that i'm racist because i have pride in my culture.i play footy with some etheopians that live in my apartment building and sometimes with the mexicans that do too, but everyone still calls me a racist.

Then just explain to the accusers what you mean, and if they still don't understand then why call them friends?

[deathskinbeer]

i dont call them friends.

[poutismalakas]

Thank GOD both of have stopped!!! Both of YOU have been warned so lets just move on shall we???

[deathskinbeer]

i've been warned?

[poutismalakas]

i've been warned?
sorry dude!!!! I meant philipas and soccerates their fight had spanned SEVERAL threads!!

[Ygor]

because in most parts of the usa you are considered a racist if you have racial pride

What hospital are you live in? :) You are so lucky to the nurses for let you use the computer. :)

Why you are support English team anyway? You should stick to eating burgers and be fat like all Americans. My uncle Roman is own this team ok and him wouldn't like you. :mad:

[RaulMadrid7]

What hospital are you live in? :) You are so lucky to the nurses for let you use the computer. :)

Why you are support English team anyway? You should stick to eating burgers and be fat like all Americans. My uncle Roman is own this team ok and him wouldn't like you. :mad:

Ygor why don't you go mind your own business especially when you don't know what is going on or what he means okay?

Don't disturb intelligent conversations with stories about your uncle Roman Abramovic, if he is your uncle send me some money. :D :ronaldo:

[Minof]

What hospital are you live in? :) You are so lucky to the nurses for let you use the computer. :)

Why you are support English team anyway? You should stick to eating burgers and be fat like all Americans. My uncle Roman is own this team ok and him wouldn't like you. :mad:

WTF????? :bloody:

[Cassano Jr]

So are you saying that someone got a hold of your account and password and sent it from there, trying to frame you?

Cuz lying about me fabricating them is weak.

Why the hell would I do that?!? That's ridiculous. I'm pefectly capable of schooling you in any debate without resorting to name calling as you started. Then you get offended when I out you in that too. Sorry, I'm not trying to toot my horn here, but you certainly had the motive to do so, and I'm not so crass that I would make shit like that up. You've editted out comments that you made in poor character to Dutch fan too, and he can confirm that, so why wouldn't it be possible for you to now just be sore that you did those things? And if you really didn't, then who did?!?

Bah...it's done now...I'm not getting anymore, and I hope (for your sake) it never happens again.chill out man its ok Soccerates and other guy

[deathskinbeer]

sorry dude!!!! I meant philipas and soccerates their fight had spanned SEVERAL threads!!

thanks for clearing that up sir

[deathskinbeer]

What hospital are you live in? :) You are so lucky to the nurses for let you use the computer. :)

Why you are support English team anyway? You should stick to eating burgers and be fat like all Americans. My uncle Roman is own this team ok and him wouldn't like you. :mad:
dont make fun of me man, i havent said anything bad to you as far as i'm concerned this can be the last post on this thread. everthings solved.

[Ygor]

dont make fun of me man, i havent said anything bad to you as far as i'm concerned this can be the last post on this thread. everthings solved.

I am sorry. Sometimes when i drink the vodka i become very mad. :(

I like to eat the burgers myself. :) I also like the song of Michal Jacson - feed the world to make it a better place. I think it is something like that. :confused:

Are you like him too? :)

[bob bob]

Whatever pal. You just called me a jackass and the suggested to Philipas to not "ignore" me, inciting more bickering? Doesn't that smack of a contradiction to you? Then you ironically suggest I stop bickering? Sure...

You wouldn't be the slightest bit impressed if you received the tons of hate mail that I did in those two days. I made it public to get Philipas to stop, and it since has...so my objective has been met + I don't know you or that you're a moderator, so I sent it to the super mod who addressed the issue just fine.

So Philipas can stop lying now, it's done.
Man you give us Italians a bad name with ALL your bitchy crap
why don't you grow a pair???

[EASports]

I am sorry. Sometimes when i drink the vodka i become very mad. :(

I like to eat the burgers myself. :) I also like the song of Michal Jacson - feed the world to make it a better place. I think it is something like that. :confused:

Are you like him too? :)

Ygor you are insane.....but i like that :thumbsup: :ronaldo:

[soccerates]

Man you give us Italians a bad name with ALL your bitchy crap
why don't you grow a pair???

Really "Bob Bob"?

I suppose you give Italians a great name with threads like these, where you're prone to hurling racist comments?:

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=322240&postcount=27
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=322237&postcount=14
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=313338&postcount=8
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=313337&postcount=7
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=310485&postcount=1
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=293612&postcount=1

Bob Bob's Words of Wisdom:
"I bang the shit out of your mom"
"I have to agree with you even though your a piece of turkish crap!"
"Hey USA KICKS ASS your all just jealous nationals of 3rd world nations begging for scraps from our table!!!"
"I quess I go on vacation and it takes' several people to take my place giving you gays s.hit."

People seem to want you banned:
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=285149&postcount=17

In fact, I doubt you're Italian, probably a dick head trying to give us a bad name by acting dumb and uncouth. If you are Italian, you've clearly been raised in the USA given your pro-USA comments and aggrandizing nature.

Actually here you say you're AMERICAN, not Italian, oops:
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=284564&postcount=7

But who cares, every nation has it's fair share of idiots USA, ITALY, WHOMEVER, you sound stupid no matter what race you are. And I don't take kindly to slurs, so ***k off.

Se allineare foste Italiani non direste dicere le cose stupidi dopo che fossi insultato da un cornuto razzista.

[EASports]

Really "Bob Bob"?

I suppose you give Italians a great name with threads like these, where you're prone to hurling racist comments?:

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=322240&postcount=27
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=322237&postcount=14
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=313338&postcount=8
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=313337&postcount=7
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=310485&postcount=1
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=293612&postcount=1

Bob Bob's Words of Wisdom:
"I bang the shit out of your mom"
"I have to agree with you even though your a piece of turkish crap!"
"Hey USA KICKS ASS your all just jealous nationals of 3rd world nations begging for scraps from our table!!!"
"I quess I go on vacation and it takes' several people to take my place giving you gays s.hit."

People seem to want you banned:
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=285149&postcount=17

In fact, I doubt you're Italian, probably a dick head trying to give us a bad name by acting dumb and uncouth. If you are Italian, you've clearly been raised in the USA given your pro-USA comments and aggrandizing nature.

Actually here you say you're AMERICAN, not Italian, oops:
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=284564&postcount=7

But who cares, every nation has it's fair share of idiots USA, ITALY, WHOMEVER, you sound stupid no matter what race you are. And I don't take kindly to slurs, so ***k off.

Se allineare foste Italiani non direste dicere le cose stupidi dopo che fossi insultato da un cornuto razzista.

You are such a Wanker Soccerates. Only a complete asshole would search through the forums and pick out peoples previous posts and see what they have written. Go through mine i have some excellent Italian bashing qoutes.
I don't think YOUR Italian but you definately are STUPID.
Get out of your mothers dark basement and get a life and stop the bitching already. :scream:

[nachi88]

thanks for clearing that up sir

hey, I understand your pride, and I wouldnt call you racist.

Being proud of ones own self isnt racism, but putting others down is. Thats why ur not racist.

But what still beats me, is why do you support Chelsea????? :rolleyes:

[soccerates]

You are such a Wanker Soccerates. Only a complete asshole would search through the forums and pick out peoples previous posts and see what they have written. Go through mine i have some excellent Italian bashing qoutes.
I don't think YOUR Italian but you definately are STUPID.
Get out of your mothers dark basement and get a life and stop the bitching already. :scream:

Chill out EA sports, you sound childish.

"you're" not "your" and you call me stupid? :eek:

[EASports]

Chill out EA sports, you sound childish.

"you're" not "your" and you call me stupid? :eek:

Oh i'm sorry Mr Spelling Police. Please check the posts i made on 23 November 2004 and correct any grammatical errors. After that kill yourself.
Thank you. :annoyed:

[deathskinbeer]

hey, I understand your pride, and I wouldnt call you racist.

Being proud of ones own self isnt racism, but putting others down is. Thats why ur not racist.

But what still beats me, is why do you support Chelsea????? :rolleyes:

i've just loved them since the first time i watched them play.

and ygor its all good man i do the same with the drinkings sometimes. but about the michael jackson thing .......nope dont like him

[poutismalakas]

Oh i'm sorry Mr Spelling Police. Please check the posts i made on 23 November 2004 and correct any grammatical errors. After that kill yourself.
Thank you. :annoyed:
Ignore him Eas he is NOT worth it he'll just follow you ALL over the place and try to bring people to help him in your fight!!!!!

[MarieL]

The truth about the fabricated PMs

I have been making an extensive research on the subject of soccerates supposedly receiving private messages containing racial slurs from philipas. The conclusion? Someone is lying but I don't know for sure who that is. So it's anyone's guess. Though I suggest you all get over it (as if you already haven't.)

Thanks.

[Cassano Jr]

Man you give us Italians a bad name with ALL your bitchy crap
why don't you grow a pair???
lol man you already have a bad name for bad behaviour

[soccerates]

Oh i'm sorry Mr Spelling Police. Please check the posts i made on 23 November 2004 and correct any grammatical errors. Thank you. :annoyed:

What for, you're nothing special that I'd wish to pay attention to, you addressed me first remember? If you're going to make fun of other people's clothes, at least have some on. That's a metaphor dim wit.

[soccerates]

The truth about the fabricated PMs

I have been making an extensive research on the subject of soccerates and supposedly receiving private messages containing racial slurs from philipas.

Firstly MarieL, extensive "research" doens't include pm'ing us individually and "interviewing" us. Also, in your first PM to me you already said that you believed Philipas, so it was skewed from the get-go. Nothing I could say was good enough for you, and so you are just believing in his rumors, period. Like any objective proof for "PM" exists. It's my word against his, and since he has a history of trolling like I showed in my messages to him and you (that you didn't bother reading) and he stalked me, it should give credence to my claims. Nonetheless, it boils down to my word against his and you've chosen his side, while others mine. Big deal that you're a moderator, you're not doing a good job of it spreading RUMORS about me....all rumors...sad...


First of all, until a couple of days ago, I had had no dealings with either of these guys, so I can tell you I've been nothing but objective. Here is my conclusion... Actually I should call them facts.

Facts are reproducible. Rumors are a sad replacement for facts.


So here are the facts:

No, they are your judgments based on one persons testimony. You even had the audacity to say that you were inclined to believe Philipas because I out witted him in another thread and was caustic in return to his actions. If people can dish it out, they should be able to take it in return.

Nevertheless, your views are opinions and they are like assholes; "everyone has them and they all stink!"

You have a sorry concept of facts.


1) soccerates fabricated the messages he posted in the "Question about the Azzurri..." thread and which he forwarded to some moderators. philipas did not write nor send them. soccerates has been lying to me and to everyone about this since it started. ---> soccerates is the pathological liar.

Where's the proof for this? Like Phil saved all those messages in his inbox? Give me a freaking break. You're pathetic.

This is bullshit. You have no way of knowing this, but you have decided to beleive it for whatever reasons you chose. Pathetic. You're a moderator? LOL.


2) There is no evidence of philipas being racist. If you bother to read his posting history you can see that most of his posts are anti-racist and anti-discrimination.

Except when he get's angry. I've already given a link to the racial slurs he's used:
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=419478&postcount=9

He has also re-editted postings in response to Dutchfan that were cynical and derogatory after he realized he was wrong. So, it proves that there are some bi-polar tendencies there.


3) If it was up to me I'd ban soccerates right now, but that decision will be made by the Supermoderators.

Thankfully an irrational and predjudiced person like you, who doesn't consider all the evidence, and rather side with someone based on their own testimony (which was obvious) doesn't have that kind of authority. It would be a shame for diplomacy. You have no diplomatic skills.


4) soccerates is still not admitting the fabrication let alone apologizing even though the evidence is clear as day. ---> soccerates is a coward.

I'm not admitting somethign that is not true, and if you can't get that through your thick skull, then you're an idiot.


Now, if you see him doing stuff like this to any other member, please don't fall for it, and if you see someone else falling for it, set the record straight for the good of the board.

The penchant for discrimination is to take certain things out of context. You've ignored that about 80% of my postings are supported by other members, and are civil. I only resort to shit-talk when other less-intelligent members, such as yourself, decide to take it there. Remember you initiated the insults, so have the "balls" to take them too. Don't be a hypocrit MarieL.


Thank you for your attention.

Those aren't fact, those are what you chose to believe. Even then you called me an asshole and other names without knowing for sure. Phil DID pm me some nasty messages with racial slurs. As I said earlier, I made it public to get him to go away and he has. Objective has been met. As for you, you judged me based on nothing but your hunch, which was wrong, and your "past experiences" then accuse me of being predjudiced. Somehow it strikes me as being very hypocritical.

You've also demonstrated the penchant for believing in rumors. What Phil did to me, I've never done to him, and you can't deny that if you really read his pm's. Despite that you think I was egging him on, I was responding to his trashy mails to me with a dose of his own medicine (sans the racial slurs), and for further proof that you are one-sided and possibly angry with me because I was cyncial with you too, you never once mentioned that I asked Philipas to stop pm'ing me oh about 14 times? Hook, line, sinker MarieL, proving that you are ignoring both sides of the evidence.

[soccerates]

Ignore him Eas he is NOT worth it he'll just follow you ALL over the place and try to bring people to help him in your fight!!!!!

ROTFLMAO....

I've never stalked anyone on this forum, but have been the recipient of stalkings. Also EAS initiated contact with me Poutsi, not the other way around. Please clean the egg off your face.

[EASports]

Ignore him Eas he is NOT worth it he'll just follow you ALL over the place and try to bring people to help him in your fight!!!!!

Ye I suppose your right man. I mean this wanker is one of those wankers who I would challenge at the pub & have to smack some sense into. He'd look lovely with a black eye don't ya think ? :p

Mariel that was an excellent post. You should be a lawyer.

[poutismalakas]

ROTFLMAO....

I've never stalked anyone on this forum, but have been the recipient of stalkings. Also EAS initiated contact with me Poutsi, not the other way around. Please clean the egg off your face.
OH really malakas and I quote
There is a poster by the name of Philipas that has been dancing from national team forum to the next insulting each of the races of the respective forums with slurs and such. He's digusting, and has now resorted to stalking me privately through PM...I've had to ask the forum moderators to put a stop to it.
You brought up the fact that philipas is a biggot in general...!!! you guys where fighting in other threads and you brought your fight to THIS thread!!!!!! so who has the egg on their faces NOW??? I don't trust you!!!!!!EAS was more than likely feedup with your whiney attitude that is why he started in with you and I warned him since I was warned myself to not get into it with you as well!!!!

PS you have 2 mods who don't trust nor believe you so be careful!!

[philipas]

Facts are reproducible.



No, they are your judgments based on one persons testimony. You even had the audacity to say that you were inclined to believe Philipas because I out witted him in another thread and was caustic in return to his actions. If people can dish it out, they should be able to take it in return.

Nevertheless, your views are opinions and they are like assholes; "everyone has them and they all stink!"

You have a sorry concept of facts.


Where's the proof for this? Like Phil saved all those messages in his inbox? Give me a freaking break. You're pathetic.

This is bullshit. You have no way of knowing this, but you have decided to beleive it for whatever reasons you chose. Pathetic. You're a moderator? LOL.



Except when he get's angry. I've already given a link to the racial slurs he's used:
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showpost.php?p=419478&postcount=9

He has also re-editted postings in response to Dutchfan that were cynical and derogatory after he realized he was wrong. So, it proves that there are some bi-polar tendencies there.



Thankfully an irrational and predjudiced person like you, who doesn't consider all the evidence, and rather side with someone based on their own testimony (which was obvious) doesn't have that kind of authority. It would be a shame for diplomacy. You have no diplomatic skills.



I'm not admitting somethign that is not true, and if you can't get that through your thick skull, then you're an idiot.



The penchant for discrimination is to take certain things out of context. You've ignored that about 80% of my postings are supported by other members, and are civil. I only resort to shit-talk when other less-intelligent members, such as yourself, decide to take it there. Remember you initiated the insults, so have the "balls" to take them too. Don't be a hypocrit MarieL.



Those aren't fact, those are what you chose to believe. Even then you called me an asshole and other names without knowing for sure. Phil DID pm me some nasty messages with racial slurs. As I said earlier, I made it public to get him to go away and he has. Objective has been met. As for you, you judged me based on nothing but your hunch, which was wrong, and your "past experiences" then accuse me of being predjudiced. Somehow it strikes me as being very hypocritical.

You've also demonstrated the penchant for believing in rumors. What Phil did to me, I've never done to him, and you can't deny that if you really read his pm's. Despite that you think I was egging him on, I was responding to his trashy mails to me with a dose of his own medicine (sans the racial slurs), and for further proof that you are one-sided and possibly angry with me because I was cyncial with you too, you never once mentioned that I asked Philipas to stop pm'ing me oh about 14 times? Hook, line, sinker MarieL, proving that you are ignoring both sides of the evidence.

Well, well, well, look who has egg their face now. I warned you soccerates, when you started fabricating those 'racial slurs' that you'd just signed your suicide letter.

I have been vindicated and you have been 'outed' by a neutral party that has nothing to gain from taking one side or the other. But you still can't accept the verdict.
You should now accept that you were wrong.
You should retract your comments and apologise. It is the fair and manly thing to do. Don't be a pathological liar and coward.
You must realise that you are not the sfn police and chief prosecutor, in fact you are the culprit and plus all the people in this forum think it's very 'uncool' to act like the high school principal.
I co-operated fully with the mods to sort all this out and they have come to a fair and unbias decision. I had nothing to hid, obviously you did.
There was no need for anyone to read about an arguemnet we were having and for you to spread it into other threads. Don't you know other people don't want to see your 'dirty laundry'?
You should now concede defeat and retract from hounding me and apologise for the tawdry things you have done.
After all is said and done however and the fact that it has been mentioned that you should be banned, I am willing to leave this behind me and move on. I Think you have a passion for the game and can contribute constructively to the debate, as long as you shed some of your unshakeable superiority complex.
I am waiting for you to edit and delete your false accusations and like i said an apology is also in order.
Be good now...you've been warned...
Ciao...

[soccerates]

Well, well, well, look who has egg their face now. I warned you soccerates, when you started fabricating those 'racial slurs' that you'd just signed your suicide letter.

I have been vindicated and you have been 'outed' by a neutral party that has nothing to gain from taking one side or the other. But you still can't accept the verdict.
You should now accept that you were wrong.
You should retract your comments and apologise. It is the fair and manly thing to do. Don't be a pathological liar and coward.
You must realise that you are not the sfn police and chief prosecutor, in fact you are the culprit and plus all the people in this forum think it's very 'uncool' to act like the high school principal.
I co-operated fully with the mods to sort all this out and they have come to a fair and unbias decision. I had nothing to hid, obviously you did.
There was no need for anyone to read about an arguemnet we were having and for you to spread it into other threads. Don't you know other people don't want to see your 'dirty laundry'?
You should now concede defeat and retract from hounding me and apologise for the tawdry things you have done.
After all is said and done however and the fact that it has been mentioned that you should be banned, I am willing to leave this behind me and move on. I Think you have a passion for the game and can contribute constructively to the debate, as long as you shed some of your unshakeable superiority complex.
I am waiting for you to edit and delete your false accusations and like i said an apology is also in order.
Be good now...you've been warned...
Ciao...

So you convinced one person to believe your story. Now I see with their support, you've started lying again. You're sad Phil.

And you didn't "warn" me, you threatened me racially. You're a coward. And you've gotten MarieL to agree with you, so you think it's OK to turn around all my arguments on your behavior to me? That's manipulative. No worries, I suspected as much.

If you're willing to leave it behind and MOVE ON, then DO IT, cuz up to this point you haven't lived up to anything you said (ie; that you'd disappear if I "swore to God" that I didn't fabricate those messages...I did, and you're still here lying about it).

You promised to not stalk me or pm me. The pm'ing has stopped, I have no problem admitting that, but if you think I'm going to pretend that you never said what you said because you've been able to "convince" one "moderator" of these forums that you didn't do it, you're sadly sadly mistaken. The most I'm willing to do is not mention it again, so long as you never bother me again.

***k off.

[philipas]

You've been 'outed' soccerates...accept it...take a dose of your own medicine...
The truth hurts, but accept it like a man...
I'm waiting for an apology, otherwise you could find yourself banned...
I don't want to argue with you anymore, so let's leave it at that and we can both enjoy this forum for what it is...

[EASports]

......so long as you never bother me again.

***k off.

:red-card:

[soccerates]

H really malakas and I quote
There is a poster by the name of Philipas that has been dancing from national team forum to the next insulting each of the races of the respective forums with slurs and such. He's digusting, and has now resorted to stalking me privately through PM...I've had to ask the forum moderators to put a stop to it.

That's NOT stalking "malaka".

Stalking is when you follow someone specifically around and respond to each of their messages with trolls. Phil did that in the thread that ended up degenerating into racial slurs on his part.

EASports is doing it here. I never initiated messages to either of them.

Get your "facts" right.


PS you have 2 mods who don't trust nor believe you so be careful!!

Nachi88 and MarieL. Go ahead and look up some of Nachi's responses to me. He's just sore that he lost the debate in the Azzurri Mannshaft thread. In his latest message to me he's twisted what I said around about friendlies, tournaments, world cups, etc, and he's openly admitted that he says shit to stir contraversy.

I have several mods that are also amicable with me. So I doubt that you or MarieL's opinions are going to matter much. YOU, also, initiated comments against me, so why don't you clean up your own backyard before you criticize someone else's?

[soccerates]

You've been 'outed' soccerates...accept it...take a dose of your own medicine...

You've succeeded in turning one person against me. Big deal. You're a minor lesion in the grand scheme of things. I thought you said you'd leave it alone? Now that you have an inkling of support you're starting up again. Just bugger off and leave me alone already you twat.

[poutismalakas]

Phil stop it ok! this guy is not worth it and you'll never get a appology from him either!! he's hanging himself so relax!

[soccerates]

Phil stop it ok! this guy is not worth it and you'll never get a appology from him either!! he's hanging himself so relax!

I won't appologize for being framed, forget it!

[philipas]

You've succeeded in turning one person against me. Big deal. You're a minor lesion in the grand scheme of things. I thought you said you'd leave it alone? Now that you have an inkling of support you're starting up again. Just bugger off and leave me alone already you twat.

That 'one' person that knows the truth is the only person that matters, and they have come to a common decision through consultation with other mods.
I don't think it is necessary to keep calling people names...no matter how uspet you feel...
I'm waiting for you to retract your posts and give me a PUBLIC APOLOGY, otherwise... :red-card:
You've been asked twice now...

[poutismalakas]

That's NOT stalking "malaka".

Stalking is when you follow someone specifically around and respond to each of their messages with trolls. Phil did that in the thread that ended up degenerating into racial slurs on his part.

EASports is doing it here. I never initiated messages to either of them.

Get your "facts" right.



Nachi88 and MarieL. Go ahead and look up some of Nachi's responses to me. He's just sore that he lost the debate in the Azzurri Mannshaft thread. In his latest message to me he's twisted what I said around about friendlies, tournaments, world cups, etc, and he's openly admitted that he says shit to stir contraversy.

I have several mods that are also amicable with me. So I doubt that you or MarieL's opinions are going to matter much. YOU, also, initiated comments against me, so why don't you clean up your own backyard before you criticize someone else's?

PLEASE!!! Show me where I said stalking???? I said he'll follow you to continue the fight!!!! So I guess that you got him to "follow you" by posting your issues with him in other threads and please spare me the part about you wanting to out him so you could get him to leave you alone!! :rolleyes:

If you can convenatly delete your posts when mods want to see the evidence of your claims against phil, then you can delete his posts before reading and wait until a Smod can get involve???

Grow up accusing people of losing arguments and trying to get back at the victors is really childish don't you think?:rolleyes:

It is obvious that you HAVE WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS either get a job or get back to work!!!!
Also in regards to myself and Mariel you have already been warned by a supermod???

PS please stop it with mega posts what are you a paralegal?? :rolleyes: :boo:

[EASports]

.....Stalking is when you follow someone specifically around and respond to each of their messages with trolls. Phil did that in the thread that ended up degenerating into racial slurs on his part.

EASports is doing it here. I never initiated messages to either of them.


Soccerates lets get one thing clear right now.

You search through other peoples posts for some evidence of previous motive or bickering. This reminds me of guy who did that to me & why on this occasion I feel for Phillipas. If you think i'm stalking you then you have another thing coming mate. Idiot like yourself has to be in his place. You think your really smart & from your persona you want us all to believe that your really smart. Take it from me kid...enough of us have been around here long enough to be able to smell bullshit a mile away and UR'S smells really bad.

Lets all get along now.

[soccerates]

Soccerates lets get one thing clear right now.

You search through other peoples posts for some evidence of previous motive or bickering.

No it's not. Bob Bob, like yourself, initiated insult against me...saying that I made "italians" look bad. Then I did a little research and noticed he rarely discusses anythign soccer related.

You also entered the thread on your own volition with vile insults. What does that say about you?

[soccerates]

That 'one' person that knows the truth is the only person that matters, and they have come to a common decision through consultation with other mods.
I don't think it is necessary to keep calling people names...no matter how uspet you feel...
I'm waiting for you to retract your posts and give me a PUBLIC APOLOGY, otherwise... :red-card:
You've been asked twice now...

I'm not going to succumb to extortion because you succeeded in convincing someone that I made it up. PM afforded you that ability.

You promised to leave it alone, why are you starting it again?

[EASports]

No it's not. Bob Bob, like yourself, initiated insult against me...saying that I made "italians" look bad. Then I did a little research and noticed he rarely discusses anythign soccer related.

You also entered the thread on your own volition with vile insults. What does that say about you?

It says i don't like wankers who search through other peoples posts to gauge some behaviour pattern or where there majority of posts are made.

[soccerates]

PLEASE!!! Show me where I said stalking???? I said he'll follow you to continue the fight!!!!

I never said you stalked, I said that your intial message was already contraversial because you told him (initially) to not let it go.


So I guess that you got him to "follow you" by posting your issues with him in other threads and please spare me the part about you wanting to out him so you could get him to leave you alone!! :rolleyes:

In the initial thread where it all started, I was responding to someone's questions about The Azzurri and phil started trolling, so I called him on it, then he started trash-talking (and for whatever reason MarieL seems to think I'm a bigger ass because I trash-talked him back), but shortly after the pm'ing started...it was a clever move on his part, and it boils down to my word against his. I only wanted him to stop, which he promised many times, and Valdanito_10 warned us both to and it has until now. I'd never bring it up again or refer to him again if he never bothers me again. See my point?


If you can convenatly delete your posts when mods want to see the evidence of your claims against phil, then you can delete his posts before reading and wait until a Smod can get involve???

What are you talking about? I've deleted a lot of posts that are irrelevant. I keep some soccer related posts because that's what I'm only intersted in discussing. If anyone REALLY wants to be objective, they can go ahead and look through all of my posts, 90% are on topic. Debate and heated debate is not as bad as some of you are making it out to be. It only gets that way when someone resorts to insulting only. If someone like Bob Bob can get away with the stuff he says, why am I being threatened now because I refuse to bow down to extortion that Phil has managed to get one or two people to believe in?

That's ridiculous.


Grow up accusing people of losing arguments and trying to get back at the victors is really childish don't you think?:rolleyes:

Well that's ironic because that is precisely what happened to ME, not the other way aroud.


Also in regards to myself and Mariel you have already been warned by a supermod???

You insulted me off the get go. How is that the behavior of someone who wants respect? So did MarieL.

[soccerates]

It says i don't like wankers who search through other peoples posts to gauge some behaviour pattern or where there majority of posts are made.

Good for you. I don't like people who use insults as their only means of communication. I never insulted you from out of nowhere, so give it up.

[philipas]

You didn't leave me alone, you hounded me maliciously...you have to practice what you preach...You should of realised before you starting fabricationg viscious lies that it would expose you. Everything you've done now has slapped you back in the face. What a waste of time and effort on your behalf.
Anyway soccerates, I'm willing to move on. I'm not so heartless to take a time killing forum, so seriously. Please retract your comments and if you can't aplogise...fine...I've cleared my name and that is all that matters to me now, but it does show poor character from you...
Remember the mods acted neutrally, they did the necessary investigations and came to their fair and unbias conclusion...ACCEPT IT! None of us are always right...are we now??

[soccerates]

You didn't leave me alone, you hounded me maliciously...

You're a liar...god damn it Phil, just ***k off...you pm'd me...did you not?


you have to practice what you preach...You should of realised before you starting fabricationg viscious lies that it would expose you.

Please explain what exposed me? There is no proof of pm's you sent me. It was my word against yours, and up until today I was happy that you stopped, but you since started again just because MarieL believes your lies.

So just go back to the hole you crawled out from under and leave me alone. You're continuing your campaign against me even after the other thread was closed and valdanito_10 warned us to stop.


Anyway soccerates, I'm willing to move on.

Then just do it instead of keeping on saying it.


I'm not so heartless to take a time killing forum, so seriously. Please retract your comments and if you can't aplogise...fine...I've cleared my name and that is all that matters to me now, but it does show poor character from you...

I won't retract anything that was said against me. You need to take responsibility for what you've done. Just because you have a bit of support doesn't erase it. And yes you do seem content on killing a forum because you're continuing with this campaign.


Remember the mods acted neutrally,

No they did not. MarieL set off the get-go that she didn't believe me, and then she was convinced when I told her that I deleted the messages after I thought valdanito_10 addressed the problem sufficiently by closing the thread down. I've learned my lesson and hace since saved the messages if he, or any other super mod wants to check it out.


they did the necessary investigations and came to their fair and unbias conclusion...ACCEPT IT! None of us are always right...are we now??


1 - There was no they, it was MarieL only
2 - There were no investigation, 2 or 3 private messages are not "evidence" or investigations.
3 - She made her decision based on your testimony, which I predicted would happen from the first time it all started. You were clever enough to pm me instead, and you're now weaving that influence into your favor again by making exagerations and falsifiable claims that "they" (one person) are "objective" (believing testimony).

The cold hard facts are unavailable. It's your word against mine. I won't succumb to extortion like this, and if I'm banned...who cares...I'm an anonymous entity here, it's not real life.

I'd rather discuss soccer, but I won't pretend that I did anything wrong because of your or MarieL's accusations. You're both human, and suspect to errors in judgment too Phil.

So as I said, if it stops here I won't mention it again, but if you continue it I won't have any other choice...I'd still rather discuss soccer.

[poutismalakas]

Guys I think the time has come to IGNORE soccerates finally. I say let get his last word in because that is how he's getting his jollies... by getting 3 mods and 2 regular posters and 1 bob bob :dontcare: :rolleyes: involved

In regards to bob bob if anyone looks at his history of posts he goes months at a time between his posts so banning him would be pointless even if we ip banned him he would find away around it so bob bob is a non-issue at this point in my opinion??

What do you say guys??

[soccerates]

Guys I think the time has come to IGNORE soccerates finally. I say let get his last word in because that is how he's getting his jollies... by getting 3 mods and 2 regular posters and 1 bob bob :dontcare: :rolleyes: involved

In regards to bob bob if anyone looks at his history of posts he goes months at a time between his posts so banning him would be pointless even if we ip banned him he would find away around it so bob bob is a non-issue at this point in my opinion??

What do you say guys??

This is ridiculous...now I'm being accused of getting you all involved. Like I put a gun to your heads...give me a break...

I'm out of here.

Go ahead, please DO ignore me...PLEASE!!!

[Footballz]

Wow, what I started off as a Racism debate turned into this...Really you guys should just stop. Dont try to get the last word, argueing like this compares you all to racist fans in that you abuse the hell out of people who you dont like. Just give it a break?

[soccerates]

Wow, what I started off as a Racism debate turned into this...Really you guys should just stop. Dont try to get the last word, argueing like this compares you all to racist fans in that you abuse the hell out of people who you dont like. Just give it a break?

Ok I'm done, and out of here. Thanks for your neutral support.

[poutismalakas]

Wow, what I started off as a Racism debate turned into this...Really you guys should just stop. Dont try to get the last word, argueing like this compares you all to racist fans in that you abuse the hell out of people who you dont like. Just give it a break?
YOU ARE SO RIGHT I APPOLOGIZE for parcitipating in the hijacking your thread. BUT I am NOT going say why I did it... because you can read about it
BUT I agree racism anywhere sucks!

[Ivan7637]

Guys get off soccerates back. I didn't agree with everything we debated about but it never turned out like this.


Why get both of you banned for stupid bullshit.

The mod of this forum, please close this thread. Thank You.

Also i don't know who PM'd who but just don't PM each other anymore.

Not that hard really.

[Refeto]

Deathskinbeer, to be honest with you, even without reading your post, I could think you are racist because of your signature. Being a hooligan is not something to be proud of(even your nick)! Its just wierd!

[cannuman]

As much as I know soccerates has great disgussion. We had some disagreements in italy and Roma forum, but he never attacked me it was a great disgusson. And this guy knows what he is talking...about italian football for sure. And I don't think he starts the fights here...

[davor_suker]

Alright guys stop it...

This fight is bullshit, i dont see what soccerates has done wrong? MarieL can you please present facts?
Ive had disagreements with soccerates in the past and we discussed these disagreements like civilised people, and all was sorted. Maybe you guys should try that.

Personally i think soccerates is an asset to this board with his knowledge, so threatening him with a baseless ban is idiotic.

Peace.

[MarieL]

Look, this isn't about which one started this petty fight. Both soccerates and philipas behaved badly hurling insults which means they obviously still haven't read the rules of this board, which already is the basis for a warning. They also both received that warning already.

My post was solely about the incident of soccerates claiming that philipas had sent him 5 racist PMs. I read a ton, and I mean a ton, of PMs between those 2, and the quotes from those alleged racist PMs soccerates posted in the "Azzurri" thread and forwarded to moderators did not come from philipas. That means the only way they even ended up on the computer screen is that soccerates wrote them himself. If that wasn't bad enough he's been calling philipas a racist all around the board posting quotes, from actual posts yes, but which were taken out of context to make them seem almost the exact opposite of what they really were. But mostly he has been basing his "philipas is a racist" campaign on those fabricated quotes.

Now am I supposed to just sit back and let a poster MAKE STUFF UP to tarnish another poster's reputation? Say "Well he's a valuable asset to this board with his football knowledge, so nevermind."?
Sorry, but I don't want anyone to feel mistreated on this board. How would you feel if someone made totally baseless accusations against you and then a big drama out of them?

I gave soccerates the option to confess and apologize himself and told him I'd set the record straight if he didn't. Well he didn't, so I did. End of story.

I won't post a single thing about this anymore, but if you have to add something, then do bear in mind that this isn't a popularity contest, doesn't have to do with people's style of posting or where they post. This is about making sure people 1) don't try to hurt other posters themselves, 2) don't believe every baseless accusation they see against another poster, 3) make up their own mind about a poster based on what they see in that person's posts not what they see in other people's posts about that person.
I have seen plenty of people blindly believing what they are told and I would not like to see that happen anymore.

Moving on...

[Maya]

well i hope soccerrates will be here in this forum, every one argue its not only him...its sorry that a debate went this way...as Ivan7637 said close this thread and move on.

hope nobody would be banned!

[valdanito_10]

second thread im closing due to this incident.


you both did wrong, you both will pay!


thread closed :angry:

[MarieL]

Okay guys, I hate to bring up this issue again, but since some people can't seem to stop otherwise, I have to.

I now regret posting what I posted in this thread after my "investigation", actually I have regretted it pretty much ever since I did it. I know it was not the right way to handle anything let alone a situation which was already really... bad.
When I posted all that about soccerates I truly believed I had found out the culprit, but I realize now that I had no way of knowing for sure. I thought I saw evidence, but it was probably just my own interpretation of things based on soccerates's arrogant style of posting.

So, I honestly did not find out anything and still don't know for sure who was being honest and who wasn't.

phil, I don't trust you any more than I trust soccerates. As far as I know you could have been lying about everything. So please try to stick to the topic from now on.

soccerates, I'm sorry for claiming I knew and making you out to be the liar. I had no right to do that. Hope we can all move on now.

[Gennadios]

Okay guys, I hate to bring up this issue again, but since some people can't seem to stop otherwise, I have to.

I now regret posting what I posted in this thread after my "investigation", actually I have regretted it pretty much ever since I did it. I know it was not the right way to handle anything let alone a situation which was already really... bad.
When I posted all that about soccerates I truly believed I had found out the culprit, but I realize now that I had no way of knowing for sure. I thought I saw evidence, but it was probably just my own interpretation of things based on soccerates's arrogant style of posting.

So, I honestly did not find out anything and still don't know for sure who was being honest and who wasn't.

phil, I don't trust you any more than I trust soccerates. As far as I know you could have been lying about everything. So please try to stick to the topic from now on.

soccerates, I'm sorry for claiming I knew and making you out to be the liar. I had no right to do that. Hope we can all move on now.


MarieL, quit being a goofy-ass nigga.

[Toke-E-Yo]

MarieL, quit being a goofy-ass nigga.


lol. ive seen ur pics, ur not even blak :lol:

[nachi88]

and MarieL, what brings about this sudden change in investigation results??

[soccerates]

She said it clearly, or can you not read properly? No evidence existed.

[nachi88]

She said it clearly, or can you not read properly? No evidence existed.

are u her mouth piece....

let her answer for herself

in other words... stop acting like a loser. (its natural to u, i know) but control the urges :lol:

[MarieL]

Nachi, cut it out. Like I said it was no sudden change, I was never really sure even though I liked to think I was. And I'm not doing a 180 here, just saying I don't know.

[nachi88]

Nachi, cut it out. Like I said it was no sudden change, I was never really sure even though I liked to think I was. And I'm not doing a 180 here, just saying I don't know.

ok .. ur the boss.

waiting for my ban

[MarieL]

Ban? What are you talking about?
Don't be such a baby nachi.

[nachi88]

Ban? What are you talking about?
Don't be such a baby nachi.

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showthread.php?p=493271&posted=1#post493271

enuff reason to ban 3 members

[philipas]

Okay guys, I hate to bring up this issue again, but since some people can't seem to stop otherwise, I have to.

I now regret posting what I posted in this thread after my "investigation", actually I have regretted it pretty much ever since I did it. I know it was not the right way to handle anything let alone a situation which was already really... bad.
When I posted all that about soccerates I truly believed I had found out the culprit, but I realize now that I had no way of knowing for sure. I thought I saw evidence, but it was probably just my own interpretation of things based on soccerates's arrogant style of posting.

So, I honestly did not find out anything and still don't know for sure who was being honest and who wasn't.

phil, I don't trust you any more than I trust soccerates. As far as I know you could have been lying about everything. So please try to stick to the topic from now on.

soccerates, I'm sorry for claiming I knew and making you out to be the liar. I had no right to do that. Hope we can all move on now.

So Mariel, what brought this on. Care to explain?

[soccerates]

stop whining, she said she didn't know, which is the truth. You only lasted for a while with your story. Omar will be stepping in soon.

[philipas]

stop whining, she said she didn't know, which is the truth. You only lasted for a while with your story. Omar will be stepping in soon. I was asking Mariel.

[soccerates]

so sorry, it seemed perfectly clear to me why. She says she doesn't know, and never did. :sad:

[Aryan]

Something about racist fans in Montenegro:

BARBARIANS-FC Buducnost Podgorica