Why do people hate the US?

[nfcblitzkrieg16]

Why do most coutries hate us so much? what did we do?

[PAO_HELLAS]

This can start a big conversation...

That is mainly because of your goverment's policies the last half century and they make them be against US people too.

[Turkhooligan]

Why do most coutries hate us so much? what did we do?Haha..because you've got the most dangerous terrorist in the world..GWB.. ;)

[fusionfoot]

Haha..because you've got the most dangerous terrorist in the world..GWB.. ;)
haha i actually have a shirt that says international terrorist and has his mug on it.

[nachi88]

I dont hate USA

[JayeMTee88]

This can start a big conversation...

That is mainly because of your goverment's policies the last half century and they make them be against US people too.


which policies....i actually kinda like living here :rolling:

[Ivan7637]

Why do most coutries hate us so much? what did we do?

Becuase you always have to get into other countries shit.

[JayeMTee88]

we really need to stop bringing up this topic... :boo:

[offtheline]

we really need to stop bringing up this topic... :boo:

Seriously. I'm absolutely sick and tired of this type of topic coming up.

[c&b4ever]

Your people are among the friendliest on this earth . . . it's your Government's extravagent disregard for the views of other nations that makes people hate you.

I hate to bring it up, but Iraq showed that Bush cares not one iota for the Iraqi peoples freedom, but about how much the USA can control it's future oil supplies.

Like I said, nothing personal . . .

[PAO_HELLAS]

which policies....i actually kinda like living here :rolling:

You maybe, but they are a lot of people who don't live there and their life is marked by these policies.

[Marko_c]

US ***ked up the world we live in... simple

[boban_10]

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US ***ked up the world we live in... simple



Exactly

[Hercegovac]

Im wondering why dose every1 think that it's all about the oil? come on u have to admit Sadam had to be captured. U.S did some very good things and they did some bad, but i personally think the good weighs up more. How could u stop someone like Sadam without war? fair enough they didnt find "weapons of mass destruction" and stuff but at least they gave freedom to people. I personally dont like George W Bush but i agree on some things he has done.

[boban_10]

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Im wondering why dose every1 think that it's all about the oil? come on u have to admit Sadam had to be captured. U.S did some very good things and they did some bad, but i personally think the good weighs up more. How could u stop someone like Sadam without war? fair enough they didnt find "weapons of mass destruction" and stuff but at least they gave freedom to people. I personally dont like George W Bush but i agree on some things he has done.


If they wanted to get rid of Sadam, they would have done it 10-13 ( not sure) years ago, when Iraq was invading Iran or sumthing, By now Iraq would have been rebuilt.
And when there was the wars in the balkans, the US could have stepped in before it even started, but they didn''t. They took years to do something. Like with the war in Kosovo, they could have stopped that ages ago, but they didn't, and then when they do something years later ( when they bombed Serbia) , they think they are heroes.

This is just an example.

I know America have done lots of Good, but with the power they have, they can do a hell of alot more.

[Hercegovac]

If they wanted to get rid of Sadam, they would have done it 10-13 ( not sure) years ago, when Iraq was invading Iran or sumthing, By now Iraq would have been rebuilt.
And when there was the wars in the balkans, the US could have stepped in before it even started, but they didn''t. They took years to do something. Like with the war in Kosovo, they could have stopped that ages ago, but they didn't, and then when they do something years later ( when they bombed Serbia) , they think they are heroes.

This is just an example.

I know America have done lots of Good, but with the power they have, they can do a hell of alot more.

I agree but its never to late to put away a dictator! even if it took them 13 years. Many factors are considered when they go to war the people of the US are getting pretty pissed off with George W Bush because he is spending to much tax money on War and military.

[boban_10]

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Many factors are considered when they go to war the people of the US are getting pretty pissed off with George W Bush because he is spending to much tax money on War and military.

Yeah.

[Hercegovac]

How can a drunk become president anyway?

[Joey_Ramone]

And when there was the wars in the balkans, the US could have stepped in before it even started, but they didn''t. They took years to do something. Like with the war in Kosovo, they could have stopped that ages ago, but they didn't, and then when they do something years later ( when they bombed Serbia) , they think they are heroes.

It seems there is a double standard. I opposed the war against Serbia, and I don't think the war in Iraq was the best idea but other countries could have stepped in as well. Other countries have militaries as well, why don't you blame them for not stepping into Kosovo - why did the wait for us.

Yes maybe US should step in and help in Africa, but the rest of the world isn't doing anything either - why must we shoulder all the blame?

[Joey_Ramone]

How can a drunk become president anyway?

I am not the biggest GW Bush fan but the image you get of him in the rest of the world is distorted due to your media. He is good in some ways and he has faults like anyone else - I don't believe he is any worse than Bill Clinton but the media loved Clinton for some reason.

[Ivan7637]

Yes maybe US should step in and help in Africa, but the rest of the world isn't doing anything either - why must we shoulder all the blame?

The reason the rest of the world is not doing anything is because they mind their own shit. I mean think about it, The U.S has to get into every single war on earth and always control it. You don't see Canada or any other country doing that. Your government makes the U.S look like shit around the world and that's why the rest of the world hates you!

Another Thing, You were helping saddam couple of years ago and now you wanted to get rid of him. It's right to want to get rid of him but he was already out of power and the Iraqi people abandoned him long before they U.S got there. So congrats U.S.A, way to capture a dude with no power who was in a hole. :boo:

[Hercegovac]

The reason the rest of the world is not doing anything is because they mind their own shit. I mean think about it, The U.S has to get into every single war on earth and always control it. You don't see Canada or any other country doing that. Your government makes the U.S look like shit around the world and that's why the rest of the world hates you!

Another Thing, You were helping saddam couple of years ago and now you wanted to get rid of him. It's right to want to get rid of him but he was already out of power and the Iraqi people abandoned him long before they U.S got there. So congrats U.S.A, way to capture a dude with no power who was in a hole. :boo:

Lol in a hoel and no power haha :thumbsup:

[nfcblitzkrieg16]

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when there was the wars in the balkans, the US could have stepped in before it even started, but they didn''t. They took years to do something. Like with the war in Kosovo, they could have stopped that ages ago, but they didn't, and then when they do something years later ( when they bombed Serbia) , they think they are heroes.

This is just an example.

I know America have done lots of Good, but with the power they have, they can do a hell of alot more.

then ppl get mad when we step in.....

[go!ua]

I think many people don`t hate U. S., they just don`t like G. W. Bush :boo:

[snakies]

why dont people stop being so narrow minded and see that americans arent the problem, american presidents r

[aguilas]

i know America have done lots of Good, but with the power they have, they can do a hell of alot more.

Then when they try to do more, people say that they are trying to get into their business.

[arminius]

I am not the biggest GW Bush fan but the image you get of him in the rest of the world is distorted due to your media. He is good in some ways and he has faults like anyone else - I don't believe he is any worse than Bill Clinton but the media loved Clinton for some reason.
I gotta laugh when an american complains about other countries media being distorted.......and when clinton was in power the biggest concern was is he getting a blowjob from monica, with bush it's fear of ww3.

[arminius]

why dont people stop being so narrow minded and see that americans arent the problem, american presidents r
yeah and it's the american people who keep re electing bush.

[Joey_Ramone]

I gotta laugh when an american complains about other countries media being distorted.......and when clinton was in power the biggest concern was is he getting a blowjob from monica, with bush it's fear of ww3.

Our media is very distorted as well. Believe it or not (with the exception of one channel) our media has been consistently anti-Bush and anti-war.

[RonaldoD08]

Our media is very distorted as well. Believe it or not (with the exception of one channel) our media has been consistently anti-Bush and anti-war.

Well I guess all the media in this world seems to be distorted except one channel. The whole world is distorted. What if we take this distorted world to be the real standart? Don't you think that your favorite channel would then turn up to be the distorted one?

BTW, what channel are you talking about?

[RonaldoD08]

It seems there is a double standard. I opposed the war against Serbia, and I don't think the war in Iraq was the best idea but other countries could have stepped in as well. Other countries have militaries as well, why don't you blame them for not stepping into Kosovo - why did the wait for us.

Yes maybe US should step in and help in Africa, but the rest of the world isn't doing anything either - why must we shoulder all the blame?

You cannot compare the war in Kosovo with the war in Iraq. The war in Kosovo was NATO against Millosevic not US against Serbia. There were no retaliations after the war. Even the serbs themselves didn't like Millosevic and even Russia was not supporting him anymore. He was just over the limit.

As for the war in Iraq, the situation was US against Sadam which later on was turned into Christian Soldiers against Islam-which is pretty stupid and wrong. Did you forget what happened in the Iraqi prisons? I am not saying that everyone did that, but it happened and that was enough to irritate the whole world not only Iraqi people.
For the war in Iraq, Bush didn't care about what NATO or the UN thought. They asked him to wait, but he didn't so that was his mistake. Later he himself accepted that maybe he had made a bad time calculation and that's why George Tennet resigned. The CIA supposedly had given bad information to the White House, which I am not sure is true. They just had to put things that way so that Tennet would be the bad guy instead of Bush who was in the middle of his campaign.

[roggie15]

This is way off topic, but I think it would be a good idea to create a sub-forum in either the anger forum or in the away from soccer forum for a Politics Forum or something like that.

[jamie01]

I don't get the anti Americanism.

The E.U has massive agriculutral tarrifs that prevent developing farmers from selling their produce. The Japanese illegally hunt whales, in the name of science. China invaded Tibet, and annexed it. Yet we never hear about China being an imperialist.

Many African, Middle East, and Asian nations have massive human rights violations. Here in Australia, we still have Aboriginal deaths in Police custody.

My point is that America may be the superpower, but they are no more evil of nasty than the rest of the world.

As for America giving funding to Israel, what many of the anti-Israeli activists don't mention is that Egypt also gets $US 2 billion per year in aid. This deal came about after the Mount Sinai Peace agreement brokered by the Jimmy Carter administration, between Israel and Egypt.

America has also produced more noble prise winners in science, and medicine than any other nation. So everyday we live in better world due to the vast array of research and products created by Yankee scientists.

As for the U.S administration, I don't hate them, only disagree with their politics. Top hate is a very powerfull and destructive force, and ultimately prevents compramise and usefull debate from being generated.

But as they say in Monty Python, "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

[jamie01]

I don't get the anti Americanism.

The E.U has massive agriculutral tarrifs that prevent developing farmers from selling their produce. The Japanese illegally hunt whales, in the name of science. China invaded Tibet, and annexed it. Yet we never hear about China being an imperialist.

Many African, Middle East, and Asian nations have massive human rights violations. Here in Australia, we still have Aboriginal deaths in Police custody.

My point is that America may be the superpower, but they are no more evil of nasty than the rest of the world.

As for America giving funding to Israel, what many of the anti-Israeli activists don't mention is that Egypt also gets $US 2 billion per year in aid. This deal came about after the Mount Sinai Peace agreement brokered by the Jimmy Carter administration, between Israel and Egypt.

America has also produced more noble prise winners in science, and medicine than any other nation. So everyday we live in better world due to the vast array of research and products created by Yankee scientists.

As for the U.S administration, I don't hate them, only disagree with their politics. To hate is a very powerfull and destructive force, and ultimately prevents compramise and usefull debate from being generated.

But as they say in Monty Python, "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

[Equis5]

'Why do people hate the US'?

It is because of the two faces this country shows.

He talks about war against terrorism, but he makes explode his own ship: Maine. More than 200 US soldiers dead, and a reason to declare war on Spain, and to 'freed' Cuba, Puerto Rico and Philippines. Puerto Rico is still a colony of the US, Phillipines and Cuba were for 50 years.

He talks about avoiding the use of MDW, but they are the only country that launched an A-Bomb ever. Also, when 'freeding' Vietnam, they dind't worry about the use of the 'orange agent', and Napalm.

The International Penal Tibunal, who could be used to judge Saddam, is not recognised by Bush.

They want to free countries, but they don't mind to put on the throne (and later quit) people like the CIA Agent Eduardo Noriega in Panamá, leaving the country with 200,000 civilians dead, due to the war.

Oh, I am very tired of repeating this in every thread. If somebody want to talk really about this term, let's do it calm.

[graduke]

alot of people hate the US for the country's often imperialistic grabs for power in foreign countries by installing and propping up capitalistic regimes under the guise of spreading freedom ( which will benefit the US economically and stategically) The muslim countries hate the us with greater vehemence because they see their cultural values under threat from liberal values

[arminius]

I don't get the anti Americanism.

The E.U has massive agriculutral tarrifs that prevent developing farmers from selling their produce. The Japanese illegally hunt whales, in the name of science. China invaded Tibet, and annexed it. Yet we never hear about China being an imperialist.

Many African, Middle East, and Asian nations have massive human rights violations. Here in Australia, we still have Aboriginal deaths in Police custody.

My point is that America may be the superpower, but they are no more evil of nasty than the rest of the world.

As for America giving funding to Israel, what many of the anti-Israeli activists don't mention is that Egypt also gets $US 2 billion per year in aid. This deal came about after the Mount Sinai Peace agreement brokered by the Jimmy Carter administration, between Israel and Egypt.

America has also produced more noble prise winners in science, and medicine than any other nation. So everyday we live in better world due to the vast array of research and products created by Yankee scientists.

As for the U.S administration, I don't hate them, only disagree with their politics. To hate is a very powerfull and destructive force, and ultimately prevents compramise and usefull debate from being generated.

But as they say in Monty Python, "What have the Romans ever done for us?"
In regard to the part about noble prize winning 'yankee scientists' i'd be surprised if more than 10 per cent of them are american born, following ww2 the u.s 'recruited' as many german scientists as they could get, including a guy by the name of wernher von braun, he was the creator of germany's V2 rockets and was also the brains behind NASA's moonlanding.. many of the german scientists went willingly to the US as at the time germany was in ruins and were naturally lured by the big dollars but there were also plenty who were threatened with being prosecuted as war criminals if they refused the offer to work for the americans.

[jamie01]

True, many of the scientists may not be American born, but it is America that invests in the scientists. Whilst the House of Saud seems more interested in spending money, spreading Whabbism around around the world, rather than scientific inquiry.

I am not Australian born, but I still see myself as Australian.

Soviets did the same thing with installing puppet governments. Many people still see Communism with rose tinted glasses, inspite of this.

The West German, and French governments actually provided the materials, and industrial systems that armed Saddam's Iraq. With approval of the French and German governments.

Nearly 1000 years ago the Arabs invaded most of the middle east, and North Africa. No one seems to have a problem with that cultural imperialism.

No nation is perfect, but each country has its own problems and wrongs that it perpetraits. America is the blunt of so much anger because at this moment in time America is the only super power...

[Equis5]

The West German, and French governments actually provided the materials, and industrial systems that armed Saddam's Iraq. With approval of the French and German governments.

You forgot the Irangate, and how the US gave Saddam MDW for its use on the war, weapons he used on the Kurdish population.

What were the US thinking about when gave him those weapons? and when the US gave the same weapons to Iran? Were the US thinking about freedom and peace?

[Ese_Guy]

The U.S. is an easy target to hate.
No one "hates" other countries, well except for Israel, as much as they hate the U.S.
When you're on top, everyone wants to knock you off - it's sort of a "king of the hill/rock" type of game.

[Gennadios]

Usa Usa Usa Usa!

[6Evil Weasel6]

It's the general cultural arrogance/ignorance that gets me. Its the belief that they are the only country that has democracy ect. And that it is the best place to live in the world. Hello, when your crime rate drops by half then maybe it'll come close to Canada.

[poutismalakas]

It's the general cultural arrogance/ignorance that gets me. Its the belief that they are the only country that has democracy ect. And that it is the best place to live in the world. Hello, when your crime rate drops by half then maybe it'll come close to Canada.
I'm sorry BUT Canada is NOTHING!!!!!!! your military is a COUNTRY CLUB Monaco could kick your ass! Your crime rate is so low because you have a fraction of our Population and Also you climate is so cold that everyone is too busy trying to keep warm!
America isn't perfect and YES we have the "death penalty" And Our current administration is hypocritcal (Bush family ties with the BinLaden family)! Ok so we support Israel BUT remember that Iran, Sadaam's Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia if given the chance would go to war with Israel everyday of the week! China is getting ready to invaded Taiwan but I don't hear any of you bitching?? In East Timor Indonesia we have Muslims attacking Christians?? Also what about Black Slavory happening in Sudan? Shite-Sunni drama in Iraq. Syria killing political figures in Lebanon! You have honor slaying going on in the Middle East and Asia!

I don't see any of you pointing fingures at those countries??? If you hate America then hate it BUT remember whenever there is a global tragity one thing people do is where is America we need your help! Selective memory is a bitch isn't it???

[Equis5]

The problem is not the power you have; the problem is how do you use that power and which tricks do you use to maintain the power;

Germany and the UK are the strongest countries in Europe, and nobody hates them. Why? Because they don't have two politics at the same time...

They don't say "we will kick out all the dictatorial regimes in the world", and go later to talk to Gadaffi.

Chavez is instauring a semi-dictatorial regime; and when he menaced to cut the surveys of oil to the US, Bush stopped talking about 'instigate the Anti-Chavez' powers... Maybe you didn't hear it in the US :rolleyes: , but it has been heard in Europe...

[AusFootball]

The U.S. is an easy target to hate.
No one "hates" other countries, well except for Israel, as much as they hate the U.S.
When you're on top, everyone wants to knock you off - it's sort of a "king of the hill/rock" type of game.

I think there a little too dominate...

Check this shit out: http://www.newamericancentury.org/

"The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle." :evil:

[PAO_HELLAS]

Monaco could kick your ass!

LOL, What about Andorra? :D

[Ese_Guy]

I think there a little too dominate...

Check this shit out: http://www.newamericancentury.org/
Cool website!!
The post I made was made in fun. This topic comes up over and over, so I simplified my response :).

[U.S.A._soccer]

The reason the rest of the world is not doing anything is because they mind their own shit. I mean think about it, The U.S has to get into every single war on earth and always control it. You don't see Canada or any other country doing that. Your government makes the U.S look like shit around the world and that's why the rest of the world hates you!

Another Thing, You were helping saddam couple of years ago and now you wanted to get rid of him. It's right to want to get rid of him but he was already out of power and the Iraqi people abandoned him long before they U.S got there. So congrats U.S.A, way to capture a dude with no power who was in a hole. :boo:

Okay would you like it if someone decided to beat you up every day and everybody saw it and nobody did anything it, how would u feel?

[U.S.A._soccer]

why dont people stop being so narrow minded and see that americans arent the problem, american presidents r

That's cuz the president isn't a woman lol jkjk

[Ivan7637]

Okay would you like it if someone decided to beat you up every day and everybody saw it and nobody did anything it, how would u feel?

How would you feel if a country went into another countrys problems and ***ked everything up not to mention ruined peoples lives?

[RonaldoD08]

That's cuz the president isn't a woman lol jkjk

I agree with you in this one baby...:cool: :silly:

[nachi88]

Its Funny How No One Wants Help But Look Where They Come Bitching Too When There Is A Problem.....................

lol, how true. :)

[Equis5]

Its Funny How No One Wants Help But Look Where They Come Bitching Too When There Is A Problem.....................


Who are 'they' and 'where' do they 'come'? You can't be talking about East Europe and African emigrants... They all come to France, UK, Italy and Spain... The old days when the europeans and the african slaves built your country has ended, many years ago...

[jonas_kengen]

the us pisses me off at times because of the way the government invades the middle east with smoke screen policies such as suspicion of weapons of mass destruction, without support from the UN or most of Europe, while theyr really after oil. Bush reminds me much of the fascists of europe in the 30's-40's in the way he minipulates an entire people. This war aginst terrorism and with the aim to spread freedom is the biggest load of horseshit. America is falling out of favour with the whole world i feel that it wont be too long till theyr dominance wanes. How such a man can be elected twice!? And of course theres the notorious war against drugs, despite the fact that most of the drugs on the american and european market (other than xtc n weed) come from countries which are at that time being conquered by the states, for instance the drastc rise in heroin use in the 60's was fuelled by the vietnam war and there has been a similliar pattern following the war in afghanistan, with heroin, hash and opium. just a bit ***king hypocritical innit? then moving on to the other aspects of america, the peoples mentality, ok, there are nice poeple, but by far the majority that ive come across simply think that the entire world loves america, and hold this completely distorted view of themselves theyr just so obnoxious. How often do i see a yankee tourist in the summer in belgium asking a clerk if they can pay in dollars, for fukssake, we dont use ur money here, it just pisssses me off soo damn much!!!!!!! and something that annoys me even more, when im havng a good night out at one pub or another, and an american, who cant hold his alcohol (because budweiser is pisswater) just pukes all over the place, not to forget they seem to think this process of binge drinking and concequently puking is somehow cool(!?!?!?), now im half belgian half geman, thus i drink a fair amount on weekends, but cmon, one must know their limits, and from what ive seen, the americans that come here definantly dont. I just thought id add taht as the rest of the thread seems to be focused only on the politics. having said all that, americas also got some great aspects, but i dnt wana go off topic

[6Evil Weasel6]

I'm sorry BUT Canada is NOTHING!!!!!!! your military is a COUNTRY CLUB Monaco could kick your ass! Your crime rate is so low because you have a fraction of our Population and Also you climate is so cold that everyone is too busy trying to keep warm!

You just effectivly proved my point about American ignarance. you know nothing. crime rate is calculated PER CAPITA idiot. As for cold....there are parts of the US that are farther north then me. The military? Im joining the f--ing reserves in two years, and I know people who are in the Army. Its actually better then you'd think.

WOW...this here...is why I don't like the US. Its the arseholes.

[tommy234]

why?because usa citiziens became stupid machines,slaves of system who sold soul for bunch of dollars,because usa making economic pressure,wars,destroy lifes,kill ppl to dominate world or control biggest minds on the world (for example,tesla,he was serbian).because they bombed us for 79 days because they needed Kosovo and they destroyed schools,hospitals,etc and they told to it is "colateral damage" and to that's all because of "democracy".tnx you for you democracy,mother***kers.

because usa is souless. because they're bastards who launched nuke. because they make crimes over blackmans,indians and communists in past and they speak about democracy.

[poutismalakas]

[I]
You just effectivly proved my point about American ignarance. you know nothing. crime rate is calculated PER CAPITA idiot. As for cold....there are parts of the US that are farther north then me. The military? Im joining the f--ing reserves in two years, and I know people who are in the Army. Its actually better then you'd think.
WOW...this here...is why I don't like the US. Its the arseholes.


I WILL NEVER trust a Country that gave the world.... Celine Dion!!!!!!

[Ivan7637]

I WILL NEVER trust a Country that gave the world.... Celine Dion!!!!!!

hahahaha... :silly: :thumbsup:

[Ronniestillgood]

R.E
Im wondering why dose every1 think that it's all about the oil? come on u have to admit Sadam had to be captured. U.S did some very good things and they did some bad, but i personally think the good weighs up more. How could u stop someone like Sadam without war? fair enough they didnt find "weapons of mass destruction" and stuff but at least they gave freedom to people. I personally dont like George W Bush but i agree on some things he has done.


If they wanted to get rid of Sadam, they would have done it 10-13 ( not sure) years ago, when Iraq was invading Iran or sumthing, By now Iraq would have been rebuilt.
And when there was the wars in the balkans, the US could have stepped in before it even started, but they didn''t. They took years to do something. Like with the war in Kosovo, they could have stopped that ages ago, but they didn't, and then when they do something years later ( when they bombed Serbia) , they think they are heroes.

This is just an example.

I know America have done lots of Good, but with the power they have, they can do a hell of alot more.

Man Iran kicked,Iraq's ass,but true George Sr. Put Saddam thier in the first place,America also helped Iran's terorist facist Mollahs come to power,also they instigated the rise of the taliban in Afhganistan.

[ItalianBoy]

haha i actually have a shirt that says international terrorist and has his mug on it.You are after all...fusionfoot.
:sick:

Why do people hate the USA? Because they are jelous, because the USA can and people who dont like the USA CAN NOT!

Celine Dion is Canadian, so much for the "Ignorance" huh?

[Equis5]

Italian, you're saying the same as before, it sounds like if you hadn't read the last page; So many countries in the world "can". What do you mean with that "can"?

I repeat, Japanese researchers are better; Europe has more liberty of expression and more different point of views, the Chinese army is bigger than yours, Saudi Arabia owns more oil than you, even South America is running out of your control, look at Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina and Ecuador.

So 'what' is what you can in despite of 'others'? I think you can't say nothing.

[AusFootball]

I'm pretty sure Bush and co. could technically be tried for war crimes - except he didnt sign a doucument under the International Crimanal Court based in the Netherlands because he was to scared about the whole prisoner abuse thing and the reasons for actually going to war in the first place. The only other countries who also havent signed the document are most notably China and Israel; both with terrible human rights records.

[Equis5]

i dont thin k theres more expression europe

I'ts only your thought, it has not to be needly the truth.


remember that we have 2,800 more nukes than the 2nd place country

Do you need 2,800 nukes??


and we have sumbarines that could blow up the world twice

Are you really happy for that? Is it a kind of honour?


who do u see messing with us coming on american soil nobody no one has the balls to send an army here and fight us here in the USA

That's it; the world doesn't like war.


i dont see anyone bashing north korea or other countries

Since North Korea said they have nukes, the US stoppped shouting, too.


its just haters and its jealousy and oil doesnt matter

Opinions, opinions, opinions...


england has less oil then saudis so does dutch and french does that mean the saudis are better?

Ask Bush why does he meet with Saudi royal family while you eat some 'liberty fries'.


no it doesnt its just a tradition to not like the leader THE BOSS that just the way it is

More opinions, I understand you need to justify your nationalism...

[nachi88]

Equis 5, you raise some valid points there, but they are some facts.

In a right angled triangle, the square of the hyotenuse = sum of squares of the other two sides, is a fact, but it doesnt mean we should hate maths. Some things just exist. Maths or no maths, the above holds true.

:D

similarly, every country has shortcommings, and if we target those rather than what that country has given us... we will always be angry. Try to look at good things the USA has given you. Same applies to all countries.

" He who fights a monster should take care that he himself doesnt become one" - friedrich nietzsche. This applies especially to US fighting terroists ( crazy monsters).

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[A3eMurderer]

Wow... talk about a controversial subject.... Okay so US foreign policy isn't the best in the world, well it's probably really f*c*ed up. But there's no reason to hate the US in general because of the government. Why are you writing all this crap here, send a letter to the state department or something, don't break everyone elses balls. And canada? what the hell is canada? It's just a shadow, it's just like the shadow below us too, hmmm... mexico, same thing.

[Equis5]

:D

[Rema]

you guys have to bash the USA as if we did more bad than good which we dint we help a lot too and i dont thin k theres more expression europe and south america continues poor and full of crime so who cares and china might be larger but well still whoop their ass remember that we have 2,800 more nukes than the 2nd place country
and we have sumbarines that could blow up the world twice who do u see messing with us coming on american soil nobody no one has the balls to send an army here and fight us here in the USA i dont see anyone bashing north korea or other countries its just haters and its jealousy and oil doesnt matter england has less oil then saudis so does dutch and french does that mean the saudis are better? no it doesnt its just a tradition to not like the leader THE BOSS that just the way it is

I'll basically be echoing Equis5 here, but it almost seems like you're proud of having 2800 more nukes, or enough submarines to "blow up the world twice". Why is that something to be proud of? If I was talking about my country, that is something I would not mention (though we don't have it anyways). On that matter, why is Canada being mentioned like that anyways ("a shadow")?

For another point, to me it seems the US focuses more on wars instead of other important matters like AIDS. Approxiametly 38 million people have aids (as of 2003 - the number could be around 40 million now). In 2003, about 3 million people died from aids and 20million have died from the first cases discovered in 1981. Why does it seem that so much money is being spent on the war, and very little spent on helping the aids victims? How I see this issue could very well be distorted by the media though. They choose to show more details of the war on TV/newspapers/etc. instead of anything about aids.

[nachi88]

Apparently no one read my pythagorus- nietzsche- peace post :thumbsup:

[A3eMurderer]

For another point, to me it seems the US focuses more on wars instead of other important matters like AIDS. Approxiametly 38 million people have aids (as of 2003 - the number could be around 40 million now). In 2003, about 3 million people died from aids and 20million have died from the first cases discovered in 1981. Why does it seem that so much money is being spent on the war, and very little spent on helping the aids victims? How I see this issue could very well be distorted by the media though. They choose to show more details of the war on TV/newspapers/etc. instead of anything about aids.

Have you ever heard of the phrase: "there's no money in the cure" I too find it hard to believe that there is no cure yet for AIDS, but that is world issue. Do you know that in the US we pay multiple times the amount for prespiction medicine than say canada or europe? why? because we have to buy medicine that is produced in israel(That ties in with my initial statement about the cure). why? hmmmm.... I better be careful here due to racism... hmmmm (again).... I think anti-semitism is the term they devised when you disagree with them. And forget about the wasted tax dollars that go there for stupid reasons, perhaps no reason at all. Anyway, I too would not mention the degree of nuclear warheads my country possesses in an attempt of glorifying their world stature. But the guy is obviously a kid.

[snakies]

I'll basically be echoing Equis5 here, but it almost seems like you're proud of having 2800 more nukes, or enough submarines to "blow up the world twice". Why is that something to be proud of? If I was talking about my country, that is something I would not mention (though we don't have it anyways). On that matter, why is Canada being mentioned like that anyways ("a shadow")?

For another point, to me it seems the US focuses more on wars instead of other important matters like AIDS. Approxiametly 38 million people have aids (as of 2003 - the number could be around 40 million now). In 2003, about 3 million people died from aids and 20million have died from the first cases discovered in 1981. Why does it seem that so much money is being spent on the war, and very little spent on helping the aids victims? How I see this issue could very well be distorted by the media though. They choose to show more details of the war on TV/newspapers/etc. instead of anything about aids.well the whole american government media policy is to scare people. thats why when u watch the news u only see murders, rapings, kidnappings, war, death, death, death. its all done to scare people and i dunno what the government gains by doing that but they must do it for a reason.

[nachi88]

well the whole american government media policy is to scare people. thats why when u watch the news u only see murders, rapings, kidnappings, war, death, death, death. its all done to scare people and i dunno what the government gains by doing that but they must do it for a reason.

I have a question:
why do you say governent media.... Its not a kommunist country. Media is privately owned. And when media is privately owned, they generally play what sells( as they want to make profit)- which in most countries is reality tv, in europe football, porn, mtv etc. Rarely do we have a good description of current events. Even in the news, the emphasis is more on entertainment factor than facts or realities.

Cant hate US for that. This is universal :silly:

[Ivan7637]

I was just wondering why the U.S doesn't go into Russia and N.Korea? Afterall N.Korea is a very threatening country since it's communist and they have "Weapons of Mass Destruction". I mean if the U.S is trying to help Iraq why don't you guys go help N.Korea, afterall it is ruled by a dictator and since you guys are so Democratic. You guys should go in there with your precious angelic soldiers(who abuse prisoners) and free them and make them a Democratic country. Russia have "Weapons of Mass Destruction"...wait how much oil do Russia and N.Korea have? anyone know?

Is the U.S planning to invade every country with Weapons of Mass Destruction? Afterall you guys have tons of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Why is it safe for you guys to have them and not other countries? This just proves that americans are trying to control the entire world and would only like themselves to have weapons to defend themselves.

If anyone could clarify any of this because i'm getting the wrong impression of the U.S here...

[Stars'n'Stripes]

I was just wondering why the U.S doesn't go into Russia and N.Korea? Afterall N.Korea is a very threatening country since it's communist and they have "Weapons of Mass Destruction". I mean if the U.S is trying to help Iraq why don't you guys go help N.Korea, afterall it is ruled by a dictator and since you guys are so Democratic. You guys should go in there with your precious angelic soldiers(who abuse prisoners) and free them and make them a Democratic country. Russia have "Weapons of Mass Destruction"...wait how much oil do Russia and N.Korea have? anyone know?

Is the U.S planning to invade every country with Weapons of Mass Destruction? Afterall you guys have tons of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Why is it safe for you guys to have them and not other countries? This just proves that americans are trying to control the entire world and would only like themselves to have weapons to defend themselves.

If anyone could clarify any of this because i'm getting the wrong impression of the U.S here...

Sure I can clarify it for you.

We will not invade N. Korea because they are supported by a certain country that we can not handle. Can you guess which one? Well if you can't, it's CHINA. As long as N. Korea has China as an ally, we will not even talk directly to them.

We will not invade Russia because they are already a Democracy, although lately that has been on the decline and we are now encouraging Putin to stop controlling the media as much and set them back on track.

We did not invade Iraq for oil, our gas prices are the highest they have ever been so I don't know where you got that idea. We DO want a strong foothold in the middle east because we support Israel. I don't necessarily support our stance on Israel, but at least you should know the real reasons. We also want the lucrative construction contracts for American companies once Iraq gets rebuilt.

On prisoner abuse, ARE YOU KIDDING? Wow, a few of our military people took PICTURES of them doing stupid things. Do you know how other countries treat their prisoners of war? Is war "fair" to begin with? Is it OK that the Iraqi opposition is driving car bombs into anything with people inside? Oh wait..you're upset about some PICTURES of naked people.

Sure - it wasn't right to do that in Abu Ghraib, but that is by no means the policy of our military, and those soldiers have been dealt with. It is embarrassing - yes. However, for the entire world to pretend like the US military is some evil force abusing everyone around them is RIDICULOUS.

And no, the US does not plan on invading every country with weapons of mass destruction. We only plan on invading ones that threaten us and that we are capable of handling. I realize that Iraq didn't have any WMD's and that too is embarrassing, and honestly I have no idea why we are in Iraq right now, but I believe in the long run things will be better for Iraq.

These are some issues I'd like to address.

And don't blame me - I voted Kerry.

[Ivan7637]

Exactly, You have no idea why your in Iraq and after 9/11 you should have focused on Osama and gone into Afghanistan and not into Iraq after a dictator who didn't have much power. so so so, if it is! you guys can't handle China so that's why you won't go into N.Korea because china has their backs. You basically just told me, we will only go into weak countries and bully them because if N.Korea didn't have china you would be in there messing peoples lives up in a second.

Also the american people don't have much control over gas prices and it's not like your government gives a shit about the american people because if the government actually cared they wouldn't spend money on a pointless war but rather on peoples needs such as HIV,Cancer,Poverty etc. The Government would not care if the gas prices were 10$ a gallon or 1$ a gallon.

Are you telling me that N.Korea is not a threat? How about Russia? both of those countries have Weapons of Mass Destruction and are a serious threat to the U.S.

Why is it that if another country starts to build a strong military and get weapons you guys have to invade them before they are able to. You would have stopped china and russia but they are powerful enough to take on the U.S so you just back of them and pick on Iraq?

Also remember when Saudi Arabia offered you Bin Laden? because i do. Why didn't the U.S take him? it was said they didn't take him because of political Reasons but who knows after all your government lies to you all the time.

Why are you in Iraq? To help them build a democracy? Trust me if the Iraqi people weren't happy before they would have Dethroned Saddam themselves.

Let's see....hmm what has the war brought. Well you guys got rid of Saddam(who was in a hole and had no power and not to mention his people left him) There were beheadings on TV and all those people had to die because of you and there are people currently dying in Iraq for no reason in car bombings and shoot outs with the Iraqi people.

All those "terrorist" wanted was for your country to leave Iraq but you couldn't even do that.

I can't believe you guys wonder why your reputation around the world is so bad. You know why other countries have better reputations then the U.S? because they mind their own business.

[Stars'n'Stripes]

Exactly, You have no idea why your in Iraq and after 9/11 you should have focused on Osama and gone into Afghanistan and not into Iraq after a dictator who didn't have much power. so so so, if it is! you guys can't handle China so that's why you won't go into N.Korea because china has their backs. You basically just told me, we will only go into weak countries and bully them because if N.Korea didn't have china you would be in there messing peoples lives up in a second.

Also the american people don't have much control over gas prices and it's not like your government gives a shit about the american people because if the government actually cared they wouldn't spend money on a pointless war but rather on peoples needs such as HIV,Cancer,Poverty etc. The Government would not care if the gas prices were 10$ a gallon or 1$ a gallon.

Are you telling me that N.Korea is not a threat? How about Russia? both of those countries have Weapons of Mass Destruction and are a serious threat to the U.S.

Why is it that if another country starts to build a strong military and get weapons you guys have to invade them before they are able to. You would have stopped china and russia but they are powerful enough to take on the U.S so you just back of them and pick on Iraq?

Also remember when Saudi Arabia offered you Bin Laden? because i do. Why didn't the U.S take him? it was said they didn't take him because of political Reasons but who knows after all your government lies to you all the time.

Why are you in Iraq? To help them build a democracy? Trust me if the Iraqi people weren't happy before they would have Dethroned Saddam themselves.

Let's see....hmm what has the war brought. Well you guys got rid of Saddam(who was in a hole and had no power and not to mention his people left him) There were beheadings on TV and all those people had to die because of you and there are people currently dying in Iraq for no reason in car bombings and shoot outs with the Iraqi people.

All those "terrorist" wanted was for your country to leave Iraq but you couldn't even do that.

I can't believe you guys wonder why your reputation around the world is so bad. You know why other countries have better reputations then the U.S? because they mind their own business.


I bolded the statements I disagree with the most. First off, North Korea has the least personal freedoms of any nation. Any intervention would be a positive thing in that situation, because they are under totalitarian rule. Some people liken it to the holocaust.

The US Government does care if gas prices are above $10, because when the American people are unhappy, we can change who is in power. In fact, economy is one of the biggest issues during each election.

The Iraqis can't simply dethrone a dictator if they are not happy with him. The whole political system is set up to PREVENT that type of activity - that's why he was a dictator and not democratically elected.

Lastly - why did you put quotes around the word terrorists. Are you implying that the people in charge of 9/11 are NOT terrorists? Do you really think their one goal in blowing up our buildings was to get us to leave Iraq?

We weren't in Iraq before 9/11, so why are you linking the two? Terrorists do not like how the US and all of western culture is seeping into their culture. They dislike our policy of supporting Israel - which is a needle of western culture into their hearts.

I don't think you have real arguents for any of the statements you made. It's fine to disagree with a country's foreign policy, but acting like the US does more harm than good is a silly thing.

[Ivan7637]

The governemnt just does enough to keep the people happy but in reality they don't care! i know because i saw people begging for their lives on TV and the U.S didn't do shit about it but basically let them get executed. Soldiers are dying and do you think the president cares? he gives retarded speeches and then goes to play golf that piece of crap doesn't care.

You wanna know something else, when you went into our war(croatia,bosnia and serbia) your american soldiers killed our people! I know because i know people who were in the war and mothers who were raped but did they show you that on TV? so how can you really know what goes on in Iraq? your not there and you don't know what your soldiers are doing because the media lies to you all the time.

because as you said it yourself you don't get why the U.S is in iraq right so why is the U.S in a pointless war? Saddam is removed and Iraq can handle themselves unless the U.S is in there for another reason?

North Korea has little freedom so you should help them right? well no way is the U.S gonna pick on a country that has China backing them so they pick on Iraq.

The iraqi people could have assasinated Saddam and as you can see people in the middle east are willing to die for something that they feel is worth dying for. They could have assisinated him everytime he walked by, all it would take is to pull the trigger and besides wouldn't dying to get rid of a dicator be worth it?


I put quotes around Terrorist because i don't see them terrorizing other country half as they do the U.S. What have you done? you must have done something to them?

Perhaps you remember when you were helping saddam a couple of years ago and now you wanted to get rid of him? was saddam gaining to much power and america got scared?

Answer this! why doesn't the U.S spend their money on poverty? Hiv? etc? why do they go into wars that have nothing to do with them and why can't they keep their nose out of everyones problems? If you left everything alone no country would hate your guts!

Most countries in this world hate your guts and who can blame them! you desurve to be hated! as much good as you do you do the same amount of bad and that's why the world hates you! don't blame me and don't blame anyone else except your precious government!

[Stars'n'Stripes]

Why don't we spend money on HIV? Because it's under control in our country. Are we supposed to just automatically spend money on other countries that hate us? Tell me why my tax dollars should go to your HIV when you hate me. Also, should my tax dollars be spent on your poverty? Why are we obligated to help out everyone else huh?

Are you going to call me selfish? Or are you going to realize we don't just give out AIDS medicine because people will only take half the treatment and then sell the other half for money - which only allows the virus to become worse. Did you think about that?

What about poverty? Is it the US fault that the world makes enough food for everyone but mountains of it get burned due to politics?

There is no easy answer, so stop pretending that no one from the US wants to help.

[Ivan7637]

Why don't we spend money on HIV? Because it's under control in our country. Are we supposed to just automatically spend money on other countries that hate us? Tell me why my tax dollars should go to your HIV when you hate me. Also, should my tax dollars be spent on your poverty? Why are we obligated to help out everyone else huh?

Are you going to call me selfish? Or are you going to realize we don't just give out AIDS medicine because people will only take half the treatment and then sell the other half for money - which only allows the virus to become worse. Did you think about that?

What about poverty? Is it the US fault that the world makes enough food for everyone but mountains of it get burned due to politics?

There is no easy answer, so stop pretending that no one from the US wants to help.


Your trying to tell me that HIV is under control? then your under control is very different from mine. Did i say you should spend money on other countries? all this time i'm telling you that your country shouldn't invade other countries. You should worry about HIV,Cancer,Poverty etc in your own country because there is plenty of it. I never asked for poverty or HIV because i'm neither HIV positive or poor but other people in this country have HIV and are poor. All i'm saying is your government spends way to much money on a pointless war and should use it to help the U.S people because you guys need it.

It is the U.S fault the world hates you and no matter how much you try to deny it the U.S will always invade weaker countries but won't mess with the strong countries but they really should be worrying about themselves.

No i'm not pretending no one wants to help but everytime i turn on the TV soldiers are dead,executions,starvation,murder,rape shit theres a new trial everyday on court TV.

There are good people in this country but theres also a lot of bad people.

I just think your government and president should worry about their own problems before they go in other countries problems.

[ItalianBoy]

Italian, you're saying the same as before, it sounds like if you hadn't read the last page; So many countries in the world "can". What do you mean with that "can"?

I repeat, Japanese researchers are better; Europe has more liberty of expression and more different point of views, the Chinese army is bigger than yours, Saudi Arabia owns more oil than you, even South America is running out of your control, look at Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina and Ecuador.

So 'what' is what you can in despite of 'others'? I think you can't say nothing.

I said what I said before because it concise it all. When I say that they “can� it does not mean that there are no countries like the USA. I am Italian so I know. I also know that not everything is perfect in the USA. Main point is that, yeah, Saudis might have more oil, and so forth, but nothing is done without the USA having a word in it. And that is a fact. That is what CAN mean. And what I really think its funny is that teenagers like Ivan come here and talk crap about 265 million people and about government officials and disputes what they do like they know best. I mean, that is ok in a circus but you want to have some credibility you need to provide stats, info and reasons based on Economics and not say such quotes like "shit there’s a new trial everyday on court TV". Nooo? Really? Maybe because its COURT TV? I mean, if you do not like the USA you are free to do so and we will prolly agree on much stuff, but if you got to poop on them, poop on them with style.

No one ever says that the USA is the country that gave the most aid for the Tsunami victims. Everyone always points the finger at them that they should only worry about themselves, like they do not, and then when there is something going in the world they want the USA to do something about it. If the USA is an egoistic country then they will logically FIRST think for themselves no?

[nachi88]

I agree with Italainboy on this one...he is 100% correct

blaming the US is not a solution for problems of the world. US hasnt created most of the prolems in thew world they are mostly self made. and are as a cause of internal dissent, power lust and/or unemployment. But US has sure tried to help many countires, sometimes when it was welcome and some times when it was not.
A topic like this should be viewed objectively, and not with emotion.

The answer to the aforeasked question is... becuase people have to hate some one something to hate. Generally the hate someone stronger and blame him for all their shortcommings. People hated USSR, Britain, Germany etc for same reasons not so long ago, and in a few years will hate China also for the same reasons.

A similar analogy would be Italian fans hating German football :D lol

"When fighting a monster, rtake care that you yourself dont become a monster" - Friedrich Nietzsche

This applies here, where hate/terroism is the monster.

[arminius]

I said what I said before because it concise it all. When I say that they “can� it does not mean that there are no countries like the USA. I am Italian so I know. I also know that not everything is perfect in the USA. Main point is that, yeah, Saudis might have more oil, and so forth, but nothing is done without the USA having a word in it. And that is a fact. That is what CAN mean. And what I really think its funny is that teenagers like Ivan come here and talk crap about 265 million people and about government officials and disputes what they do like they know best. I mean, that is ok in a circus but you want to have some credibility you need to provide stats, info and reasons based on Economics and not say such quotes like "shit there’s a new trial everyday on court TV". Nooo? Really? Maybe because its COURT TV? I mean, if you do not like the USA you are free to do so and we will prolly agree on much stuff, but if you got to poop on them, poop on them with style.

No one ever says that the USA is the country that gave the most aid for the Tsunami victims. Everyone always points the finger at them that they should only worry about themselves, like they do not, and then when there is something going in the world they want the USA to do something about it. If the USA is an egoistic country then they will logically FIRST think for themselves no?
In regards to the tsunami aid both australia and germany donated more than the USA, and if you look at it on a per capita basis america would'nt make the top 20.

[ItalianBoy]

For one thing, Germany and Australia did not give more at all and that per capita thing, you can not be serious can you?

[arminius]

For one thing, Germany and Australia did not give more at all and that per capita thing, you can not be serious can you?
yes, i'm afraid both of them did, unfortunatly iv'e never posted a link so i'm unable to do that here, but if you google search with the words 'tsunami aid per nation' you'll come across quiet a few articles that have a list of the nations and how much they donated, it clearly shows australia and germany as #1 and 2.

[A3eMurderer]

We are stating an opinion here, not defending our dissertation or something along those lines. However, I think it's obvious at this time that people hate the US because it's the world's most dominiant power. But remember when that was England? those pricks caused more havoc in the world than any other modern nation. (the ancient title is obviously reserved by the Greeks, then the Romans, but at that time it was natural). Everywhere the english went they caused war without even taking part in it. Look at India and Pakistan, look a cyprus etc... US support for Israel (which again... is the fault of the English) is the root of all this hatred. And yeaaah the media tends to hide things from the people, but look who owns the media (enough said).... The war on iraq was pretty stupid and it's costing all of us, but the world today is sooo complicated it's extremely difficult to narrow the motivations for the war to a single, obvious reason. But, I think it's a good thing that saddam is longer in power because if at any point he was given opportunity and resources to attack the US, it would put a huge smile on his face an many innocent people would be affected just like in 9/11.

[Stars'n'Stripes]

Well, I'm certainly not going to change any opinions about the overall perspective about the United States, especially because I'm just a screen name on a forum.

Hopefully when I go to Germany for WC 2006, I can meet people and change their minds - or at least make it so they know ONE decent American.

I refuse to be lumped with the international community's definition of some jerk American.

[jonas_kengen]

im sure its a good thing that sadam's dictatorship is over, but how would u feel if a foreign nation just attacked ur nation, completely bombed out the cities to even worse conditions than they had been in before, killed thousands of ur countrymen, and then expect u to welcom eem with open arms? they have pride and patriotism too u know, and i dont think any of them want to be run by any western nation. and u cant compare the americans to the british empire cause they were very different times.

[A3eMurderer]

im sure its a good thing that sadam's dictatorship is over, but how would u feel if a foreign nation just attacked ur nation, completely bombed out the cities to even worse conditions than they had been in before, killed thousands of ur countrymen, and then expect u to welcom eem with open arms? they have pride and patriotism too u know, and i dont think any of them want to be run by any western nation. and u cant compare the americans to the british empire cause they were very different times.

I wouldn't like it, I don't think anyone would. But going into Iraq based on prior intelligence was a matter of national security. Now... I know it all turned out to be hoax, but it's the governments fault, not the peoples, and you can imagine how embarassed the country was after that announcement. As regards to all the oil etc... look at the gas prices here, they're insane, we have 93 ocatane MAX (91 in california) and its costing over $2.50 a gallon (over $3 in california). That's 3.8 litres. A couple years ago it was less than half that price. I doubt we benefited at all from all the so called oil we took. I don't know, ask dick Cheney and his Haliburton company that seems to be so involved in restructuring Iraq, cause we sure as hell aren't benifiting from anything in terms or oil. I'm pretty sure bush had attacking Iraq in his agenda when he became president, he was just looking for a reason. Bin laden should have been the main reason for him living, and breathing as president after 9/11. And yet what did he do? he shipped all the bin ladens out of the US with interrogating them while bin laden is out there somewhere riding camels. In the end once again, any one who hates the US is not going to change their minds, just hate it for the right reasons though, that's all i'm saying.

[Ivan7637]

Italianboy, what part of don't talk to me didn't you get? :confused: I hope the U.S go and mess your country up and then you'll really love the U.S. :annoyed:

Bush focused on iraq after 9/11 but he should have gone into afghanistan after Osama instead of Saddam in Iraq.

The U.S does help countries and the aid for the Tsunami victims was very helpful. They also mess things up. They wen't into Iraq to make Iraq a democracy, well the dicator is removed but they are still there? hmmm why in the world is america still in Iraq? Why don't they go after Osama bin Laden because he is rumoured to be by the afghanistani border.

You went in Iraq after the UN told u not to and you only went on assumptions that iraq had weapons of mass destruction well then you get there and you find threatful dictator in a hole.

Why don't you go into N.Korea? they have a dictatorship and weapons of mass destruction. Don't they pose a threat to the U.S just as much as Iraq does? I would bet anything that if china didn't have N.Koreas back you guys would be in there messing things up by now.

You only pick on weaker countries but are scared to go into countries that might actually give you a fight.

Your president is a retard because all he does is give speeches weakly about how the terrorists are barbarians and then he goes and plays golf. I wish someone would strap his ass with an AK-47 and send his ass to iraq!

Italian boy, I know the U.S after all they came into my country and killed my people so i hope they return the favor to your country! So you can see how it is to lose more then half of your family,have your women raped and killed!

[Stars'n'Stripes]

Ivan - I don't believe that the United States military raped "half of your women" as you put it.

Please give me some material to read on this subject - what specific conflict are you talking about? I realize the American media doesn't report on that kind of thing, but I'll read anything you send me.

Why is it such a surprise to you that the US will NOT invade N. Korea? There is no strategic reason to do it. The entire point of diplomacy is to change what you CAN, but not needlessly waste the lives of troops if it's a failing battle. Why do you think America looks down on the Vietnam war so much? Because in the end we couldn't handle them.

Also - you act like we WANT to continue to be in Iraq. Believe me, everyone wants to bring the troops home. No one wants their own family to be in Iraq any longer than necessary. We are to remain in Iraq until they can fend for themselves and guerrillas don't take over right when we leave.

Plus - you keep pretending that we did nothing to Afghanistan after 9/11. Don't you remember that we instantaneously took over the entire country? Do you know how GOOD it would make Bush look if he captured Bin Laden? He desperately wants to get him...it's not like we're avoiding him.

Anyways, I'm sorry that people you know were killed by US military. Bad things happen in every conflict. Have people in your military ever killed others?

[ItalianBoy]

Ivan, for one thing I was not talking to you but I was using you as an example of how someone can be so how to put this...naive? Yeah, I am going to use THAT word ok?
And please, drop the big shot attitude that you clearly can not afford.

I hope the U.S go and mess your country up and then you'll really love the U.S.

Already stating something like this gives you no credit what so ever. Why would you ever want them to do that? You talk crap about the USA and say how evil they are and then you want them to fight my country to piss me off? You must be quite limited. And sorry, but the USA does not need to fight us since we are allied with them and since we are actually a country unlike Croatia who is just taking a break from the war.

Bush focused on Iraq after 9/11 but he should have gone into Afghanistan after Osama instead of Saddam in Iraq.

Sorry but once more you are wrong. The USA got into Afghanistan right after 9/11 and they are still there. Just because you do not hear about it, it does not mean the USA is not doing anything about it. Italy too is helping the USA there. And as far as the USA still staying in Iraq, well Einstein, maybe you are even more clueless then I thought but you do not make up a democracy after 1 month, especially in a country like Iraq. And why hasn’t the USA gotten into N.Korea? For one thing, you and me both have no clue what the CIA is planning and what they know, so stating why haven’t they gotten there yet…who knows, but for sure they know what they are doing. And Russia? Why would they go into Russia when Russia is kissing the USA butt? They are getting super Americanized; there is no need to fight them.

And about Iraq, I do not know about you but I personally never believed about the weapons. I think the USA went in there for oil and control of the mid-east and maybe you are not for it but I am cool with it since I am a westerner that understands that without oil I can not drive my brand new car and I can not stay warm in my 2 story house and my pool with Jacuzzi wont get warmed. That’s why I am cool with it. If you are a westerner, you would agree or better should.

You only pick on weaker countries but are scared to go into countries that might actually give you a fight.

Another absurd statement not even worth commenting on.

Your president is a retard because all he does is give speeches weakly about how the terrorists are barbarians and then he goes and plays golf. I wish someone would strap his ass with an AK-47 and send his ass to iraq!

Funny how you want to tell us that the President just does that. I mean, are you joking or what? He was a plane fighter when in the Army BTW.

Italian boy, I know the U.S after all they came into my country and killed my people so I hope they return the favor to your country! So you can see how it is to lose more then half of your family, have your women raped and killed!

Wishing other people maledictions because of something your people did is quite a stupid thing to do, but what can I expect from someone like you? Sorry, Italy and the USA are buds. Maybe if your people did not start a war every 5 minutes, maybe even you would be in the G8. And I doubt the USA has done any of the things you mention. And stop acting like the victim because history proves you wrong.

[Equis5]

I mean, that is ok in a circus but you want to have some credibility you need to provide stats, info and reasons based on Economics

Sometimes those things are lies, remember the 'Saddam's Portatile Laboratories-Trucks'; so it's not a warranty of credibility. (Who believes what your government says?)

Remember when some of your planes killed 47 civilians 'because they were terrorists talking about how to fight against the US'. They were two families eating in a marriage.

Are we supposed to just automatically spend money on other countries that hate us?

1.- If you wanna consider yourselves the best, you should do.
2.- If you'd do, they wouldn't hate you.

Why is it such a surprise to you that the US will NOT invade N. Korea? There is no strategic reason to do it

It's an strategic reason or it is in order to 'give freedom to the whole world'?
Other one is that if you can't blame China, then you're not the best. If you're not the best, you can't act like if you were. Europe has understood this, but you still act like if you were living in the 18th Century. War on everybody we can.

[Gurjistan]

Well, to say the truth this discussion has so much things to say im not even going to list them i dislike much things about the US but then again it has many good sides to...Just to start with I think people are just that way they hate Empires and Americans are very selfish and destroyed a beautiful and oldest city of Baghdad, if they had a city like that they would do anything to protect it.....Plus AMERICANS CONSIDER THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT AND IT"S OKAY BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE DOES THEN IT's BAD

1. USA has more weapons of mess distruction in the any other country in the world.

2. USA is the only country to use an automic on human beings.

3. USA is the only country in the world which has a monkey as a president.

4. USA is the only country in the world which says it's okay to have a nuke, kill people, shit on other peoples dignity...as long as you are americano!

[Ivan7637]

Italianboy, We never started a war, serbia invaded our country and we werent even prepared to defend ourselves. After the war started america came in a supposedly came in and tryed to help but i know so many war veterans that were witnesses to killings and rapes of my people and by non other then the americans.

When do we start wars? were not in a war right now.

Your allied with the U.S because your country is kissing their ass just like you said russia is. In reality america would never go into russia because unlike iraq, russia can defend themselves.

After 9/11 you went into afghanistan but not with full force. More troops were focused on iraq then on afghanistan.

The president goes and visits the troops but he always has major protection. I'm sorry but didn't u see the videos of him playing golf while people are dying?

You seem like a guy that never went through real pain and don't understand people in pain because you've never been starved or been in a war. you were never forced to leave your country and live in a shithole. For those who have they know what pain is, you don't know shit!

You claim to love the U.S but sooner or later you will go through the same amount of pain that i went through and when you do, you will realize that killing people for oil or a western lifestyle or whatever is inhumane, kind of like yourself.

With that said i would just like to remind you that my country with a population of 4 million beat your country 2 times!

[Ivan7637]

Well, to say the truth this discussion has so much things to say im not even going to list them i dislike much things about the US but then again it has many good sides to...Just to start with I think people are just that way they hate Empires and Americans are very selfish and destroyed a beautiful and oldest city of Baghdad, if they had a city like that they would do anything to protect it.....Plus AMERICANS CONSIDER THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT AND IT"S OKAY BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE DOES THEN IT's BAD

1. USA has more weapons of mess distruction in the any other country in the world.

2. USA is the only country to use an automic on human beings.

3. USA is the only country in the world which has a monkey as a president.

4. USA is the only country in the world which says it's okay to have a nuke, kill people, shit on other peoples dignity...as long as you are americano!

agree with pretty much everything.

[A3eMurderer]

I think the USA went in there for oil and control of the mid-east and maybe you are not for it but I am cool with it since I am a westerner that understands that without oil I can not drive my brand new car and I can not stay warm in my 2 story house and my pool with Jacuzzi wont get warmed. That’s why I am cool with it. If you are a westerner, you would agree or better should.

hehehe.

Obviously the primary usage is for automobiles, and why? because honestly, compared to european and japanese cars, US cars suck in terms of efficiency. Large displacements, lack of top end power, gas guzzling etc... and we're not talking about supercars here. Now... The europeans, because of consistent strive to develop a non-gasoline powered, non-hybrid motor are on a different ship. GM and Ford tried to buy a lot of foreign companies which is why there have been a lot of improvements in domestic vehicles. Look a chrysler (well mercedes bought them). A lot people even thought that prototype 280mph supercar was american made, while everything inside of it was Mercedes and Bosch. I'm getting a bit off the top here, which is the following. The europeans already have a motor that runs on the most abundant element on earth, Hydrogen. Not only does it do so, but it releases harmless exhaust fumes. Prior to Iraq, there was a lot of diplomatic pressure from the US on the EU to share this technology with no success.
ItalianBoy, why is diesel used all over Italy, you can get every single car there is int turbo diesel, yet here only on the trucks, VW's, and the E320 CDI? hmmmm how about because in Italy there is extreme competition among the manufacturers, they all have a diesel engine. Over here, all diesel engines are in the trucks (Dodge cummings(MERCEDES)) Chevy Trucks (Nissan), they are all foreign companies except for Fords powerstroke, which is a V8 piece of crap that burns as much as the gas model. If every mercedes, bmw, nissan, toyota etc etc in the US was offered in diesel, FORD and GM would be completely incapable of competing and would thus slowly die. Not to mention that it would cause havoc to the US economy which is already extremely volatile. Now, imagine you add a Hydrogen option to that list of motors. bye bye GM and Ford, that would be catastrophic to the economy.
Hence, ItalianBoy might just be right.

[nachi88]

Good analysis there

Here is another agrument, which stands in favour of the USA. For all its shortcommings, the USA actually lets you critices its government. Even those staying in US have freedom to do so. Doing something like that in ex-DDR, or Soviet Union, Iran, China or Saudi Arabia would mean strict punishment and possibly death.

[A3eMurderer]

Good analysis there

Here is another agrument, which stands in favour of the USA. For all its shortcommings, the USA actually lets you critices its government. Even those staying in US have freedom to do so. Doing something like that in ex-DDR, or Soviet Union, Iran, China or Saudi Arabia would mean strict punishment and possibly death.

Yeeeeep, 1st ammendment.

[jonas_kengen]

not necessarily, u seen fareinheit 9/11? theres a guy in there that was tracked down by the cops just because he said bush was a bigger prick than bin laden.

[Stars'n'Stripes]

not necessarily, u seen fareinheit 9/11? theres a guy in there that was tracked down by the cops just because he said bush was a bigger prick than bin laden.

Prove it.

[ItalianBoy]

Italianboy, We never started a war, serbia invaded our country and we werent even prepared to defend ourselves. After the war started america came in a supposedly came in and tryed to help but i know so many war veterans that were witnesses to killings and rapes of my people and by non other then the americans.

Well man, talk to the Serbs and they will disagree with you on who started what. ANd you can state that the USA did this and that but I do no believe it.


When do we start wars? were not in a war right now.

Really man? You are not? Try to grasp the main point. You guys, and I mean in all of EX Yugoslavia, have never had peace in thos lands for over 5 years. Since WWI!


Your allied with the U.S because your country is kissing their ass just like you said russia is. In reality america would never go into russia because unlike iraq, russia can defend themselves.

HAHA! Yeah, tipical answer from someone like you. We do not kiss ass mate because we are the 6th richest country. We are allied with the USA because it benefits us and because we trade with each other. And the USA does not go into Russian because there is no reason so your logic there is to laugh at.


After 9/11 you went into afghanistan but not with full force. More troops were focused on iraq then on afghanistan.

Really? I guess if the mighty Ivan says this it HAS to be true no? Dude, the problem with you and people like you is that you think that you got it all figured out and that who does think like you is a moron. I actually can not belive you act like you KNOW what the USA military has done. Do they breif you in? HAHAHA

The president goes and visits the troops but he always has major protection. I'm sorry but didn't u see the videos of him playing golf while people are dying?

Dude, he is the president OF COURSE he will have protection. :rolleyes:
I think that you have confused Comedy Central with the real deal man.



You seem like a guy that never went through real pain and don't understand people in pain because you've never been starved or been in a war. you were never forced to leave your country and live in a shithole. For those who have they know what pain is, you don't know shit!

Thank god I never experience what you claim to experience but why do you want me to? You say the USA is BAAAAAD and then you are the FIRST to want BAD stuff to happen to others? So you are just like them! I see you are faulty mate. And sorry but me and you, we are diff. and our lives are too so SORRY!

You claim to love the U.S but sooner or later you will go through the same amount of pain that i went through and when you do, you will realize that killing people for oil or a western lifestyle or whatever is inhumane, kind of like yourself.

I never claimed to love the USA, I just do not get how a 14 year old has the guts to always talk shit and act tough when he shows to be clueless in all the posts.

With that said i would just like to remind you that my country with a population of 4 million beat your country 2 times!

In fixed matches that is. And I like to remind you that my country won 3 WC and you won NOTHING.

Equis, maybe you misunderstood but I did not mean to belive what the TV says but for the people who bash the USA to provide good analysis.

[Ivan7637]

Well Sherlock, do you know the name milosevic?


Sorry but our country is not very old, give us some time and we will win a world cup sooner or later. Your country has been around for a long time.


How is there no logic in invading russia? don't they have weapons of mass destruction, the u.s wouldn't want to get a boo boo.

The reason i say they went into afghanistan with little force is because all they did was broadcast about how they were in iraq and rarely ever showed anything about afghanistan, inlcuding after 9/11.

My point with the president is, he is worried about nothing but war. he does not care how the people in the u.s are suffering but then again you don't know about suffering, you live the "Western Lifestyle".

I don't want bad stuff to happen to you because your you. I'm just saying you never felt true pain so you go around talking about people in pain but you have no idea what they feel. I meant if you went through the same pain other people and myself went through, you'd understand a lot more about secrets that happen in war. You do not believe they went into my country but i know so. I have elderly people and veterans who were in the war tell stories about the U.S troops and what they did to our people. My point is if they did that to our people then what is to stop them from doing the same in Iraq? maybe there doing bad stuff right now and you don't know because their over there and your in america.


I don't talk shit, i just speak my mind. You just don't like it.

Either way, this is like the 10th thread on the U.S so let's end it. Besides if there is a god and we all die, maybe he will show you images of what happened in my country.

Let me just ask you one thing, how many tears did you shed on 9/11?

[ItalianBoy]

How is there no logic in invading russia? don't they have weapons of mass destruction, the u.s wouldn't want to get a boo boo.
There is no logic because also France has WMD but they do not have some crazy dictator in power...that is why SHERLOCK.

The reason i say they went into afghanistan with little force is because all they did was broadcast about how they were in iraq and rarely ever showed anything about afghanistan, inlcuding after 9/11.

That is totally not true. I recall watching a lot of news regarding Afghanistan and btw, update yourself, the USA is still in Afghnistan. Just because they moved some troops from there it does not mean they are gone for good.


My point with the president is, he is worried about nothing but war. he does not care how the people in the u.s are suffering but then again you don't know about suffering, you live the "Western Lifestyle".

You talk like a 4 year old man. "THe President this and that..." Dude, facts? I can say you guys dont do shit except getting drunk but how mature is that to say when discussing? You doing just that, nagging about some silly stuff with no evidence what so ever. And if you are jelous about MY lifestyle, dont hate but APPRECIATE. It is not my fault you do not like your life man.

I don't want bad stuff to happen to you because your you. I'm just saying you never felt true pain so you go around talking about people in pain but you have no idea what they feel. I meant if you went through the same pain other people and myself went through, you'd understand a lot more about secrets that happen in war. You do not believe they went into my country but i know so. I have elderly people and veterans who were in the war tell stories about the U.S troops and what they did to our people. My point is if they did that to our people then what is to stop them from doing the same in Iraq? maybe there doing bad stuff right now and you don't know because their over there and your in america.

And maybe some Croatian people are killing some other people but who knows right? So how can you talk about something you have no clue about? And I never stated that you are lying, just that I do not belive that the USA has done all of what you say they have. I am sorry if you felt pain but what am I supposed to do about it? And I never talked about people in pain mate, that is you misunderstanding.


I don't talk shit, i just speak my mind. You just don't like it.

You can speak your mind and yeah I think you are full of it.


Either way, this is like the 10th thread on the U.S so let's end it. Besides if there is a god and we all die, maybe he will show you images of what happened in my country.

There is no god and I hope to live a long life, and why would he do that?

Let me just ask you one thing, how many tears did you shed on 9/11.
None, I was just very pissed. Your point being? O yeah, suffering and how you poor thing suffered. DUDE...get over it.

[Ivan7637]

Your a joke dude.

N.Korea has a dictator so your russian points don't make any sense.

I don't see you searching online trying to find facts and i simply do not have the patience.

You live your lifestyle and that's why your not affected by the presidents decisions. By the way i like my life, i'd rather be normal then be some rich stuck up,self-centered idiot.

I can assure you that croatian people are ten million times more humane then americans will ever be.

yes i'm full of it. i don't give a shit.

There is no god? looks like your also just making claims but there is a posibility that there is a god because someone must have created the land we stand on, the moon we walked on. After all you don't believe the stupid big bang theory do you? how something can just blow up? pure crap.

Anyone who watched 9/11 should have cried because those people had to die because of your great president.

but hey it's true what they say it's all fun and jokes until it happens to you.

just curious what do you think happens after someone dies? (don't get all pissed and take this personal, i'm just wondering)

[ItalianBoy]

Dude, I am done lecturing you. It seems you like to come back with insulting posts and stupid comments and I am not gonna go THAT low. Yeah yeah, keep talking...in the the end you look just like some fool who is jelous. :boo:

[A3eMurderer]

Ivan, I have the following remark about your position. I've established that you live in the US after observing several of your posts. Why is that you express disdain, and pretty much hatred in a moderated manner upon this country publicly? Can't you just fullfil these needs among your friends and family. Furthermore, concerning the topic of war, all is fair in love and war as far as I'm concerned. War crimes seize to exist in reality and it only seems logical given the definition of war. There's alway a reason for war, no matter what it may be, foolish or not. Throughout the history of mankind, war has been declared for the most idiotic o reasons, what makes you think that's going to stop now. As for invading countries such as Russia just because it posses WMD's is insane, you simply opened a wound and ItalianBoy obviously digged at it, and rightly so. Also, please don't mention that I've never felt the pain of war etc etc... that doesn't phase me, it's irrelavent. Although I too, don't agree with the majority of decisions that are guided by US foreign policy, I don't think that's reason enough to trash a country in every opportunity that I get, because of historical events with my own country. Furthermore, this becomes increasingly more hypocritical when you live in the country you are trashing, and publicly might I add. I don't really understand how some foreign ethnic groups, living in a certain country that provides them with a life beyond that which they would experience in their own country, have the nerve to openly critisize certain matters to the native people of that country. Look at the mexicans, most persians etc with the US.

Look at the albanians in Italy and Greece. (Boy am I glad the italian government shipped a bunch of them out years ago, crime had increased dramatically. thank you Silvio! let the greeks deal with them) [[[To Others, don't start a sub-topic involving this issue, especially if you lack the mental capacity to have dialogue in an educated manner.]]]


All I'm saying in the end is don't slap the hand that feeds you, especially publicly.

[Ivan7637]

Ivan, I have the following remark about your position. I've established that you live in the US after observing several of your posts. Why is that you express disdain, and pretty much hatred in a moderated manner upon this country publicly? Can't you just fullfil these needs among your friends and family. Furthermore, concerning the topic of war, all is fair in love and war as far as I'm concerned. War crimes seize to exist in reality and it only seems logical given the definition of war. There's alway a reason for war, no matter what it may be, foolish or not. Throughout the history of mankind, war has been declared for the most idiotic o reasons, what makes you think that's going to stop now. As for invading countries such as Russia just because it posses WMD's is insane, you simply opened a wound and ItalianBoy obviously digged at it, and rightly so. Also, please don't mention that I've never felt the pain of war etc etc... that doesn't phase me, it's irrelavent. Although I too, don't agree with the majority of decisions that are guided by US foreign policy, I don't think that's reason enough to trash a country in every opportunity that I get, because of historical events with my own country. Furthermore, this becomes increasingly more hypocritical when you live in the country you are trashing, and publicly might I add. I don't really understand how some foreign ethnic groups, living in a certain country that provides them with a life beyond that which they would experience in their own country, have the nerve to openly critisize certain matters to the native people of that country. Look at the mexicans, most persians etc with the US.

Look at the albanians in Italy and Greece. (Boy am I glad the italian government shipped a bunch of them out years ago, crime had increased dramatically. thank you Silvio! let the greeks deal with them) [[[To Others, don't start a sub-topic involving this issue, especially if you lack the mental capacity to have dialogue in an educated manner.]]]


All I'm saying in the end is don't slap the hand that feeds you, especially publicly.

Well if yoou say that going into a country for wapons of mass destrutcion is stupid then americans are dumb for going into iraq, afterall there excuse was weapons of mass destruction.

Second i didn't trash america in a long time and i wasn't going to until some idiot always decides to start threads about the U.S and then none other then the "Legendery" italian boy had to use me as an example.

I live in america and trust me my life in germany was a million times better and i was a lot poorer. Money doesn't take an affect on me because money changes people and usually makes them stuck up,selfish, etc.

If i could i would be a bum in germany then be rich in america.

By the way i have american friends so don't think i hate all americans because their americans i just hate most i know because they are scumbags and how they are raised it's no wonder.( i bolded that one part so italian boy doesn't assume i'm talking about the entire country)

What are you talking about? i was talking in an educated matter, afterall i didn't insult italian boy directly. All i said was your a "Joke" wow italian boy, go cry to leon and report me because i don't give a shit.

I'm done with this thread. :mad2:

[A3eMurderer]

What are you talking about? i was talking in an educated matter, afterall i didn't insult italian boy directly. All i said was your a "Joke" wow italian boy, go cry to leon and report me because i don't give a shit.

I'm done with this thread. :mad2:

That wasn't for you, that's why I stressed "Others".

[nachi88]

ivan and roma chill... :D

the arguing here is not going to change anything....

also, why should ivan get banned???? he hasnt done anything wrong? he's a decent poster.

[A3eMurderer]

ivan and roma chill... :D

the arguing here is not going to change anything....

also, why should ivan get banned???? he hasnt done anything wrong? he's a decent poster.

I don't think anyone mentioned anything about getting banned? ItalianBoy?
I'm not arguing with Ivan, ItalianBoy is, I'm just interested in the reasoning and purpose behind the arguing between Ivan and ItalianBoy... Btw, personally, I think perhaps this thread should be shut down, what do you think?

[Stars'n'Stripes]

Is Ivan REALLY 14 years old???

[Ivan7637]

Is Ivan REALLY 14 years old???

15..

[ItalianBoy]

Roma21, I agree 100% with your post.

Ivan, by the way you answer, it is clear a mile away that all you wanna do is argue and call people names. You have not followed any of the logics we gave you but always managed to respond like a 15 year old. Do you think it would be better if the Vatican had an atom bomb or Osama Bin Landen? That is the diff. between Russia and Iraq. Forget if they had it or not, the point is not what they have but WHO has it. Its like if you give a kilo of cocaine to a cat and one to a drug dealer, its all about how you use stuff. Hopefully these child examples will be clearer for you. And I never started anything so do not switch things around just to cause problems. Last thing I wanna do is waste my time with people who are clueless.

[RonaldoD08]

Look at the albanians in Italy and Greece. (Boy am I glad the italian government shipped a bunch of them out years ago, crime had increased dramatically. thank you Silvio! let the greeks deal with them) [[[To Others, don't start a sub-topic involving this issue, especially if you lack the mental capacity to have dialogue in an educated manner.]]]
Until now your majesty has been talking all over the place how you cannot judge e country based on an administration, who happens to be chosen by 56% of the country in question.

However now you start generalising on all Albanians because a couple of them robbed two or three houses in Italy. Nice consistence in your logical arguments. I am impressed.

Now I don't know for the italians but all over the world, the first thing that comes to mind when you hear the word mafia, is italy and sicilia. Did you forget Cosa Nostra? Did you forget La Malavita? When did the crime rate increase? Do you have any facts like Italianboy always suggests? What was the crime rate of italy in the 80's when you couldn't even leave the house? Did you forget about that?

How many italians were shipped off the US back to italy even though the italians in here had the worst reputation possible. Are you part of some big Mafia family too, because following your logic, if an italian is a criminal then all italians are criminals, isn't that right?

Now you better stop provoking people and then expect them to shut up. However if you want to start an educated conversation with me you are welcome. If your intentions tell you otherwise, then you better get the hell out of here.....


PS: IB non provare a giustificarlo perche non ci sono giustificazioni...

Generalisations are not allowed from anyone towards anyone. Generalisations don't make sense so you better stop generalising.

[ItalianBoy]

Until now your majesty has been talking all over the place how you cannot judge e country based on an administration, who happens to be chosen by 56% of the country in question.
Are you trying to make sense?

However now you start generalising on all Albanians because a couple of them robbed two or three houses in Italy. Nice consistence in your logical arguments. I am impressed.
For one thing, he did not generalize, second fo all, its not 2-3 houses my friend but 78% of ALL burglaries.

Now I don't know for the italians but all over the world, the first thing that comes to mind when you hear the word mafia, is italy and sicilia. Did you forget Cosa Nostra? Did you forget La Malavita? When did the crime rate increase? Do you have any facts like Italianboy always suggests? What was the crime rate of italy in the 80's when you couldn't even leave the house? Did you forget about that?
Yeah, that is the ignorant people who do not even know where their own capital is. What is this BS about not leaving your house? Stop beaing the FIRST to generalize about stuff you are clueless on.

How many italians were shipped off the US back to italy even though the italians in here had the worst reputation possible. Are you part of some big Mafia family too, because following your logic, if an italian is a criminal then all italians are criminals, isn't that right?

Are you on drugs? For one thing, this reputation thing is between you and Ivan, second of all, I never heard this BS about Italians being shipped back since this country was made by immigrants. Until now you have not had a valid point but just silly accusations.

Now you better stop provoking people and then expect them to shut up. However if you want to start an educated conversation with me you are welcome. If your intentions tell you otherwise, then you better get the hell out of here.....
When did we ever provoke anyone? The one who feels provoked for no reason here is you.


PS: IB non provare a giustificarlo perche non ci sono giustificazioni...
Io giustifico chi mi pare e ti dico che ti stai sbagliando di grosso.

Generalisations are not allowed from anyone towards anyone. Generalisations don't make sense so you better stop generalising.The only one who is generalizing here is you buddy. You are creating something out of nothing.

[RonaldoD08]

Are you trying to make sense?
I guess I should had written it in italian too cause I guess you don't know english that well...


For one thing, he did not generalize, second fo all, its not 2-3 houses my friend but 78% of ALL burglaries.
Now saying "a bunch of albanians" is pretty general isn't it? As for the 78%, I don't know why you like 78 so much. I like 120 better so I would say that 120% of the crimes in the US are committed from italians. How do you like for a generalisation...


Yeah, that is the ignorant people who do not even know where their own capital is. What is this BS about not leaving your house? Stop beaing the FIRST to generalize about stuff you are clueless on.
What makes you think that it is not the same case for those burglars of the 78%...



Are you on drugs? For one thing, this reputation thing is between you and Ivan, second of all, I never heard this BS about Italians being shipped back since this country was made by immigrants. Until now you have not had a valid point but just silly accusations.
Now I know that you have problems with reading comprehension, but if you read twice more maybe you will understand. As may see there is an "even though" which means that the two clauses connected are in contradiction to each other. The sentence in "children" terms would read like this: No italian was shipped off the US. Italians had a bad reputation.


When did we ever provoke anyone? The one who feels provoked for no reason here is you.
I didn't know you were part of roma's clan too...and hopefully you will stop provoking anyone so that I will remain the only one provoked.




Io giustifico chi mi pare e ti dico che ti stai sbagliando di grosso.
Pensavo che fossi un altra persona ma vedo che mi sono sbagliato...
Non credo che mi sto sbagliando in questo caso e spero che tu rilegga che cosa ho scrito piu attentamente.Forse vedrai che sei tu quello che si sta sbagliando. Fai certo che leggerai tutto questa volta senza pensando che gia sai che cosa voglio dire...Grazie...


The only one who is generalizing here is you buddy. You are creating something out of nothing.

The only feneralising sentence I ever wrote was: All generalisations are wrong.

I still support that sentence no matter what...

Next time try reading the whole thing and stop taking things out of context. It might help you diminish the number of fights you have with Ivan every day...

[RonaldoD08]

Now about the topic.

I don't think that any sane and educated person hates the US or any sane and educated american hates any other country. I don't think that hatred is that popular in real world despite what some sore individuals try to show in here...

There is a certain disliking towards the US because of its arrogant foreign policy and the holliwoodian stereotype. Americans are thought to be full of themselves and very superficial. In average it is true but there are 280 million of people and I am preety sure that not all of them are arrogant and superficial. Yet the fact that they are american doesn't make them better either. There are still 280 million peopl and no all of them are perfect either so just stop this "why people hate the US", "why people hate france", "why people hate this and that". If you open such threads you are obviously looking for trouble and you cannot expect people to shut up if you provoke them as I said before.

[nachi88]

All generalisations are wrong.


thats a generalisation too :D

[RonaldoD08]

thats a generalisation too :D

I know and I totally agree with it.

Do you know the formulation of the theory of relativity? It says:

Everything is relative except this statement itself.

I guess I should have written:

All generalisations are wrong, except this statement itself....:silly:

They pretty much have the same meaning. Generalisation = Absolutism...

[nachi88]

I know and I totally agree with it.

Do you know the formulation of the theory of relativity? It says:

Everything is relative except this statement itself.

I guess I should have written:

All generalisations are wrong, except this statement itself....:silly:

They pretty much have the same meaning. Generalisation = Absolutism...

lol....

I'd still prefer realtivism to an absolutism any day.... makes me a heretic though..

[RonaldoD08]

lol....

I'd still prefer realtivism to an absolutism any day.... makes me a heretic though..

...fortunately the inquisition is over so we won't get burned...:silly:

[A3eMurderer]

Until now your majesty has been talking all over the place how you cannot judge e country based on an administration, who happens to be chosen by 56% of the country in question.

However now you start generalising on all Albanians because a couple of them robbed two or three houses in Italy. Nice consistence in your logical arguments. I am impressed.

Now I don't know for the italians but all over the world, the first thing that comes to mind when you hear the word mafia, is italy and sicilia. Did you forget Cosa Nostra? Did you forget La Malavita? When did the crime rate increase? Do you have any facts like Italianboy always suggests? What was the crime rate of italy in the 80's when you couldn't even leave the house? Did you forget about that?

How many italians were shipped off the US back to italy even though the italians in here had the worst reputation possible. Are you part of some big Mafia family too, because following your logic, if an italian is a criminal then all italian