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[Karadjordje]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4440149.stm

[Karadjordje]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4440149.stm

Any opinions? personally i think it will increase our countries fame, and increase our funding for sports .

[EASports]

No chance

Serbs will not give up Mladic & Karadzic just like we won't give up Gotovina.
Sorry buddy - no money for sports (let alone food).

[IvanK]

No chance

Serbs will not give up Mladic & Karadzic just like we won't give up Gotovina.
Sorry buddy - no money for sports (let alone food).
Dead on.

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

Dead on.

It's only matter of time...they will all be arrested sooner then you guys think...I am 100% sure for Mladic and Karadzic for Gotovina that's your problem but I think that you guys also don't have much choice.

[EASports]

It's only matter of time...they will all be arrested sooner then you guys think...I am 100% sure for Mladic and Karadzic for Gotovina that's your problem but I think that you guys also don't have much choice.

Don't you think there will be hardcore chetniks who won't give them up ?
Its a well known fact that Mladic & Karadzic drink coffee openly with cops &
other city officals in belgrade cafici. So we know where they are.
You guys are dreaming.......seriously, even for you "moderate" serbs to think
you will get into the EU within the next 15 years is false.

[serb01]

Don't you think there will be hardcore chetniks who won't give them up ?
Its a well known fact that Mladic & Karadzic drink coffee openly with cops &
other city officals in belgrade cafici. So we know where they are.
You guys are dreaming.......seriously, even for you "moderate" serbs to think
you will get into the EU within the next 15 years is false.

dont talk bcoz hrvatska has no chance either hahahaha

[Marko_c]

yeah true...you guys shouldn't talk

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

Don't you think there will be hardcore chetniks who won't give them up ?
Its a well known fact that Mladic & Karadzic drink coffee openly with cops &
other city officals in belgrade cafici. So we know where they are.
You guys are dreaming.......seriously, even for you "moderate" serbs to think
you will get into the EU within the next 15 years is false.


HAHAHAHAHA I can see there are a lot of people that lost touch with back home...what are you talking about the moment they step in Belgrade they are ***ked...Kradzic is somewhere in Hercegovina in Mountains with his security force that he pays from money he stole when he left Republika Srpska office(30 million ) then you have Mladic that is somewhere in Djukanovic Republic also known as Montenegro and you can bet for a right price you can live lifetime there.

[Karadjordje]

I belive Serbia will Join the EU, its a great investment to help the country.

[EASports]

dont talk bcoz hrvatska has no chance either hahahaha

We had a really good chance - think about opening up that beautiful
adriatic coastline to the rest of Europe much easier with a common currency,
perhaps stronger infrastrcuture etc etc, until we realise had to give up
Gotovina.

We got further than you guys - you guys still have to repair your country
which is still 20 years behind croatia.

The point i'm making is this EU business didn't work for us & it won't work
for you. The EU has some balkan plan that wants to put us all together again
under some balkan union - NO THANKS. We don't need another Yugoslavia
with a capital in Brussels !...although i know there are plenty of serbs who
would whelm to that idea.

Are you going to Parra stadium on 31st ?....Plenty of dark bushes in the carpark for brawling ay druze ?

[EASports]

HAHAHAHAHA I can see there are a lot of people that lost touch with back home...what are you talking about the moment they step in Belgrade they are ***ked...Kradzic is somewhere in Hercegovina in Mountains with his security force that he pays from money he stole when he left Republika Srpska office(30 million ) then you have Mladic that is somewhere in Djukanovic Republic also known as Montenegro and you can bet for a right price you can live lifetime there.

& its all because belgrade dosn't really want to pursue them incase they upset
the "veliki srbianci". Its all corruption & money.

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

& its all because belgrade dosn't really want to pursue them incase they upset
the "veliki srbianci". Its all corruption & money.

U got it...there will always be BIGGER Croatians and Serbs OUTSIDE of Serbia and Croatia...I call it Gone away toooo Loong syndrom, it's always better to talk shit from far away (safe distance) and send money for personal ideas,and come every 15 years to see Serbia and Croatia. But the best part everybody complains when they come back,everything is shit back home.

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

& its all because belgrade dosn't really want to pursue them incase they upset
the "veliki srbianci". Its all corruption & money.

By the way Ea if we want to be fair it goes both ways tvoji veliki hrvati are same thing as moji veliki srbijanci

[Marko_c]

We had a really good chance - think about opening up that beautiful
adriatic coastline to the rest of Europe much easier with a common currency,
perhaps stronger infrastrcuture etc etc, until we realise had to give up
Gotovina.

We got further than you guys - you guys still have to repair your country
which is still 20 years behind croatia.

The point i'm making is this EU business didn't work for us & it won't work
for you. The EU has some balkan plan that wants to put us all together again
under some balkan union - NO THANKS. We don't need another Yugoslavia
with a capital in Brussels !...although i know there are plenty of serbs who
would whelm to that idea.

Are you going to Parra stadium on 31st ?....Plenty of dark bushes in the
carpark for brawling ay druze ?


whoa....what r u saying freind.....have u been to SCG/Croatia recently.....ur shit is just as whack but i have to say both countries are improving.....all u got is you're untouched coast but the rest looks the same as SCG....so 20 years is ridiculously inaccurate and ignorant buddy

[IvanK]

dont talk bcoz hrvatska has no chance either hahahaha
I would much rather gotovina be free then join the EU.

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

I would much rather gotovina be free then join the EU.
I know that u would but where do you live IvanK...u live in nice little place,have money to survive do you think about people down there in Croatia do they have money or do they want to join EU....both Serbian and Croatian Gov are headed towards EU. Croatia will get there faster but thats because they started reforms before we did(we had Milosevic and he was hated by most EU memmbers except Greeks)but we made big steps in last two years and it will just continue.
Both Croatia and Serbia have no choice but to give up all the Generals (we are giving like 7 or 8 Croatia 1) in order to move on in EU integration. :evil:

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

u going to Parra stadium on 31st ?....Plenty of dark bushes in the carpark for brawling ay druze ?

By the way I know your kind too, pretend that you have friendly intentions then u try and sparck some shit...why don't you take your ass where you came from idiot :evil:

[EASports]

u going to Parra stadium on 31st ?....Plenty of dark bushes in the carpark for brawling ay druze ?

By the way I know your kind too, pretend that you have friendly intentions then u try and sparck some shit...why don't you take your ass where you came from idiot :evil:

Cmon mate.....how can you judge my intentions ? I think we have had a good discussion without too much insults.

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

Cmon mate.....how can you judge my intentions ? I think we have had a good discussion without too much insults.

Ok maby I was little harsh but...***k this is sensative subject you cant just come here and say that we are 20 years behind you guys and Explain this one to me u going to Parra stadium on 31st ?....Plenty of dark bushes in the carpark for brawling ay druze ?
what does this have to do with anything that we talked about?

I don't hate on you but cmon :redeyes:

[serb01]

Ok maby I was little harsh but...***k this is sensative subject you cant just come here and say that we are 20 years behind you guys and Explain this one to me u going to Parra stadium on 31st ?....Plenty of dark bushes in the carpark for brawling ay druze ?
what does this have to do with anything that we talked about?

I don't hate on you but cmon :redeyes:

hehehehe ill c u on the 31ST ur more than welcome..ill b outside the EMPTY stadium on that day :ronaldo:

[EASports]

ill b outside the EMPTY stadium on that day :ronaldo:

Funny that ay ?

[EASports]

Explain this one to me u going to Parra stadium on 31st ?....Plenty of dark bushes in the carpark for brawling ay druze ?
what does this have to do with anything that we talked about?

serb01 knows what it means & no it doesn't have anything to do what you
& I talked about. so lets move on.

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

serb01 knows what it means & no it doesn't have anything to do what you
& I talked about. so lets move on.

Ok... Haag decided today to let 4 of our generals out of jail...well here is the text it's in Serbian... BEOGRAD - Sudsko veće HaÅ¡kog tribunala odluÄ?ilo je da na slobodu, do poÄ?etka suÄ‘enja, pusti generala Vladimira Lazarevića, Milana Milutinovića, Nikolu Å*ainovića i Dragoljuba Ojdanića, saopÅ¡teno je juÄ?e u Hagu. it's letting them go till the trial begins

[mala_srpkinja_uk]

whoa....what r u saying freind.....have u been to SCG/Croatia recently.....ur shit is just as whack but i have to say both countries are improving.....all u got is you're untouched coast but the rest looks the same as SCG....so 20 years is ridiculously inaccurate and ignorant buddy

you all talk shit on this forum!! i i swear down especially the croatians asif mladic itd... will be in beograd..ok well we are for sure gettin in the EU before you as our talks have already been opened and if we stick to what has been set every1 says we will be in by 2012.... as yours will not be starting for at least a year cos u aint cooporating!!

you think you coast can get into the EU ok i must admit its a beautiful place but theres greece, spain, half of europe with exactly the same
croatia is in exactly the same position as serbia no betta of..so dont chat shit! watch us get into the EU before you!!! :p and go fuk rite of away from our forum!!

[Karadjordje]

whoa....what r u saying freind.....have u been to SCG/Croatia recently.....ur shit is just as whack but i have to say both countries are improving.....all u got is you're untouched coast but the rest looks the same as SCG....so 20 years is ridiculously inaccurate and ignorant buddy


Marko that is the best sig ever :thumbsup: :p :D

[Marko_c]

haha thnx

[IvanK]

I know that u would but where do you live IvanK...u live in nice little place,have money to survive do you think about people down there in Croatia do they have money or do they want to join EU....both Serbian and Croatian Gov are headed towards EU. Croatia will get there faster but thats because they started reforms before we did(we had Milosevic and he was hated by most EU memmbers except Greeks)but we made big steps in last two years and it will just continue.
Both Croatia and Serbia have no choice but to give up all the Generals (we are giving like 7 or 8 Croatia 1) in order to move on in EU integration. :evil:
Croatia does not want to join Eu is what im trying to say. On croatian news it said 95% of the people would help gotovina hide and keep him safe then join EU. I dont know about serbia and if they wanna join tho? Do they ?

[EASports]

we are for sure gettin in the EU before you as our talks have already been opened and if we stick to what has been set every1 says we will be in by 2012.... as yours will not be starting for at least a year cos u aint cooporating!!


Do you really think if both Croatia & Serbia are in the EU they won't put us together again in some form of a balkan union ?
You love that idea cause its reminiscent of YUGOSLAVIA. Croatians would
rather be out of the EU than be a part of that MISTAKE again !
...and all the news link said was talks have started. So i don't really see much
progress being made.

anyways.......this is all hearsay. Boring :rolling:

[Marko_c]

no chance they put us in "balkan union" or something....the point of EU is to unite europe...they would never make seprate orginiztion or unions within EU, that defeats the purpose.

am i way off?

[IvanK]

no chance they put us in "balkan union" or something....the point of EU is to unite europe...they would never make seprate orginiztion or unions within EU, that defeats the purpose.

am i way off?
Honestly who knows what there plans are.

[ARBANITAI]

[QUOTE=Marko_c]no chance they put us in "balkan union" or something....the point of EU is to unite europe...they would never make seprate orginiztion or unions within EU, that defeats the purpose.


Offensive language will not be tolerated on this thread...

[Karadjordje]

[QUOTE=Marko_c]no chance they put us in "balkan union" or something....the point of EU is to unite europe...they would never make seprate orginiztion or unions within EU, that defeats the purpose.


THE Animmal serbs... :D
look marko c how naive can u be u show the world what u really are
u took alb flag and maybe u found it funny ur dirty jalous suck all the ALbanian Dick holy serb You Suck Albanian Dick in the first time u come to BALCANs u Suck ALBANIAN dick YOU were the Slaves of us thats why ur name is serb in the OLD time you called Servius means u serve U SEE U SUX U cant do nothing to us and now who the ***k care about u... :silly: :boo:


hahahahah the average iq of the average albanian shows... 4.... :rolling: :rolleyes:

it looks like welfare now provides internet i see. :rolleyes:

[Hercegovac]

HAHAHAHAHA I can see there are a lot of people that lost touch with back home...what are you talking about the moment they step in Belgrade they are ***ked...Kradzic is somewhere in Hercegovina in Mountains with his security force that he pays from money he stole when he left Republika Srpska office(30 million ) then you have Mladic that is somewhere in Djukanovic Republic also known as Montenegro and you can bet for a right price you can live lifetime there.

Hercegovina, :mad2: now i have 2 step in why the F*** would he hide in Hercegovina? lol it would be better if he hid right in the middle of Albania, he got to be hiding in some place like banja luka or some thing. U know where Hercegovina is? or have u been drinking to much rakija???

I doubt Gotovina will ever be handed in, Karadzic,Mladic will depend on the Serbian people, but is it true that the Serbian police is protecting them? dose it always make headlines in ur news papers???. K now make sure ur not drunk or stoned when u reply to this ok :ronaldo:

[Marko_c]

hahahahah the average iq of the average albanian shows... 4.... :rolling: :rolleyes:

it looks like welfare now provides internet i see. :rolleyes:

too bad it doesn't provide basic english skills

[PartizanBeograd]

Hercegovina, :mad2: now i have 2 step in why the F*** would he hide in Hercegovina? lol it would be better if he hid right in the middle of Albania, he got to be hiding in some place like banja luka or some thing. U know where Hercegovina is? or have u been drinking to much rakija???

I doubt Gotovina will ever be handed in, Karadzic,Mladic will depend on the Serbian people, but is it true that the Serbian police is protecting them? dose it always make headlines in ur news papers???. K now make sure ur not drunk or stoned when u reply to this ok :ronaldo:

Bro a third of Herzigovina(East Mostar to Trebinje) is Part of Srpska, ive been down there a couple of times and i can tell why someone would want to hide down there, nothing but 2000+ meter mountains.

And if the EU has something in planned about Serbia and Croatia its changing the language back to the Srbo-Hrvatski or SrboCroation, becuase keeping the Current Serbian or Croation is just confusing the Europeans. Which on the plus side would get ride of the artifical "Bosnian" language

[EASports]

.
.....changing the language back to the Srbo-Hrvatski or SrboCroation, becuase keeping the Current Serbian or Croation is just confusing the Europeans

I don't like it when somebody calls me "bre" because i'm croatian. Then we start mixing again words then perhaps this then that blah blah. Best to keep
everything seperate and have clear identities for both of us.

[PartizanBeograd]

I don't like it when somebody calls me "bre" because i'm croatian. Then we start mixing again words then perhaps this then that blah blah. Best to keep
everything seperate and have clear identities for both of us.


HaHaHa how old are u 10?
buddy grow up. When they hear that serbs and croats can speak to each other fluently, naturally they would assume its pretty much the same languange, they dont care whats it called!!!
How can u denie its the same language when i can watch croation tv, and understand 99% of everything, the only difference is the accents.
have u ever talked to a serb in your life, or are u stuck in your room with your computer constantly surfuing for croation nationalism

why would u care if someone says "bre" , i dont care when u croats say "bog"

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

Hercegovina, :mad2: now i have 2 step in why the F*** would he hide in Hercegovina? lol it would be better if he hid right in the middle of Albania, he got to be hiding in some place like banja luka or some thing. U know where Hercegovina is? or have u been drinking to much rakija???

I doubt Gotovina will ever be handed in, Karadzic,Mladic will depend on the Serbian people, but is it true that the Serbian police is protecting them? dose it always make headlines in ur news papers???. K now make sure ur not drunk or stoned when u reply to this ok :ronaldo:

I can see this topic is just Booming as slavs we LOVE pilitics....Hercegovac it's only natural that YOUR papers will write shit, like ours will write shit about you guys...There has to be another 10-15 years before all this shit cools down...today I am reading that BivÅ¡i Å¡ef diplomatije Srbije i Crne Gore Goran Svilanović priznao je da je od ameriÄ?kog diplomate RiÄ?arda Holbruka zatražio nezavisnost Kosova i Metohije. On je, povodom izjave funkcionera Demohrišćanske stranke Milana Protića da je Svilanović Holbruku na jednoj veÄ?eri rekao „oslobodite nas Kosovaâ€?, potvrdio da je te veÄ?ere zaista bilo i da tu bio i Protić. „Da li sam ja rekao baÅ¡ to ili ne, pa, recimo, ja kažem da je Milan u pravuâ€?, izjavio je Svilanović BK televiziji. Svilanović, sada Ä?lan MeÄ‘unarodne komisije za Balkan i zvaniÄ?nik Pakta za stabilnost jugoistoÄ?ne Evrope, rekao je da svi govore o „nezavisnostiâ€?, a da niko ne posmatra mnogo dublje dokument prema kojem Kosovo možda ni za desetak godina ne bi trebalo da ima puni meÄ‘unarodni subjektivitet.
Soo nothing is it at it should be :shocked:

[Hercegovac]

Bro a third of Herzigovina(East Mostar to Trebinje) is Part of Srpska, ive been down there a couple of times and i can tell why someone would want to hide down there, nothing but 2000+ meter mountains.

And if the EU has something in planned about Serbia and Croatia its changing the language back to the Srbo-Hrvatski or SrboCroation, becuase keeping the Current Serbian or Croation is just confusing the Europeans. Which on the plus side would get ride of the artifical "Bosnian" language

How can Hercegovina be Serbian? Bosnian parts are Serbian I know that, but not Hercegovina, thats like saying Serbs still live in Vukovar or Vinkovci, u get where im coming from that would be like saying if Gotovina is hiding in Banja Luka outskirts. I know theirs mountains but he wouldnt hide there the Croatian army dose regular exercises in the mountains of Hercegovina, people monitor these places it's not like Mt Everest.

Most of Hercegovina is populated by a hard line Croatian presence these people are exactly like the people of Vinkvci, Gospic etc etc, then you have the Bosanci which dont like both sides. Majority of Hercegovina is Croatian then Bosanci and a few minority groups, i dont know about the rest of Bosna but i know i never seen a Serb in Siroki Brijeg, Jajce, Konjic, Jablanica. As far as Mostar goes today there is a minority of Serbs that live there but it's a very small minority that's what i herd, Doboj is nearly all Bosnian im pretty sure now.

Language: What dose European Union have to do with language? ok we can understand each other but Serbians write cerilica???? is that correct?, Croatians write Latinica, so the language is not the same. Even lots of the pronunciation is not the same eg mljeko u say "mleko" ljepo u say "lepo" svjece u say "svece" many words differ in pronunciation.

Anyway i have a map below showing Hercegovina now you tell me where u think Karadzic and Mladic is hiding cause im 99% sure he wouldnt be in the yellow section. The purple section is the Serb sections but none of that place is considered Hercegovina by Croatians. Thats a totally different topic.

http://img82.echo.cx/img82/5862/bosna6ae.jpg

[Hercegovac]

I can see this topic is just Booming as slavs we LOVE pilitics....Hercegovac it's only natural that YOUR papers will write shit, like ours will write shit about you guys...There has to be another 10-15 years before all this shit cools down...today I am reading that BivÅ¡i Å¡ef diplomatije Srbije i Crne Gore Goran Svilanović priznao je da je od ameriÄ?kog diplomate RiÄ?arda Holbruka zatražio nezavisnost Kosova i Metohije. On je, povodom izjave funkcionera Demohrišćanske stranke Milana Protića da je Svilanović Holbruku na jednoj veÄ?eri rekao „oslobodite nas Kosovaâ€?, potvrdio da je te veÄ?ere zaista bilo i da tu bio i Protić. „Da li sam ja rekao baÅ¡ to ili ne, pa, recimo, ja kažem da je Milan u pravuâ€?, izjavio je Svilanović BK televiziji. Svilanović, sada Ä?lan MeÄ‘unarodne komisije za Balkan i zvaniÄ?nik Pakta za stabilnost jugoistoÄ?ne Evrope, rekao je da svi govore o „nezavisnostiâ€?, a da niko ne posmatra mnogo dublje dokument prema kojem Kosovo možda ni za desetak godina ne bi trebalo da ima puni meÄ‘unarodni subjektivitet.
Soo nothing is it at it should be :shocked:

I dont want to start a slanging match, but that's true papers say shit i know that. But many Serbians would not want to give up there ex army generals only a small number of people would say yeah give them up and lets join european union. in Croatia ppl would get spit on if they support carla del ponte i know thats a fact. so i was just asking if the stuff in Serbia was true about the police men and stuff.

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

Hercegovac if you are trying to prove to me that we are different because we have different dialect that won't fly....we are the same like or not...except you are Catholic and I am orthodox...we speak same Language,have same food,our physical predesposition is the same,we care almost about same things... :alien:

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

I dont want to start a slanging match, but that's true papers say shit i know that. But many Serbians would not want to give up there ex army generals only a small number of people would say yeah give them up and lets join european union. in Croatia ppl would get spit on if they support carla del ponte i know thats a fact. so i was just asking if the stuff in Serbia was true about the police men and stuff.

Bottom line is, in order for Croatia and Serbia to join EU they need to arrest all Generals...Serbia has Karadjic,Mladic and Pavkovic You guys have Gotovina...and all of them have to GO regardless what people want....People didn't want war but they got it

[Hercegovac]

Ur sensible 2 talk to and know lots of stuff, but i was trying to prove something the language proposal wont go down well, ex yugoslav nations wont mix nor will the reason with each other, most of us here are pretty kool with each other and thats great, but many many things still hurt people and whatever EU has in plan wont make things better.

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

Ur sensible 2 talk to and know lots of stuff, but i was trying to prove something the language proposal wont go down well, ex yugoslav nations wont mix nor will the reason with each other, most of us here are pretty kool with each other and thats great, but many many things still hurt people and whatever EU has in plan wont make things better.

Agreed...but we won't have any choice...listen slowly they will integrate all the balkan countrys again...I hate the idea for number of reasons...but that's the way it's going....Most people here hide their true feelings but thats because the years of propaganda and BULL but most people don't know how it's to live under bombs and constant fire...like I said before you have to relize that there is already a plan for next 10 -15 years by EU for our region and we have to follow that plan regardless :rolleyes:

[LopuZa]

Before I remove this thread, I will make a quick comment on Serbia efforts to join EU, since I am Serbian; EU for Serbia would be a bad idea, today or tomorrow.

If EU had good intentions for Serbia and perhaps the rest of the Eastern European countries which include the Balkan countries, then they would have helped those countries much before 1990’s…instead while they were busy unifying Germany they were busy undermining and dissolving Yugoslavia. They, EU members, Germany, Austria admitted that they helped secessionists throughout the ex-Yugoslavia achieve their goals of independence; they provided training, arms, and logistics. One none EU member US admitted that they provide training, arms, and even hired a private military corporation, MPRI that helped Croatia ethnically cleanse Serbs from Krajina. EU or NATO provided the air force, so why would any intelligent Serb want to be a member of EU. If one examines the past of EU members, other then Britain all the current members of EU are or were in the Nazi camp during WWII, that would explain their dislike for Yugoslavia, and Serbian people. Now the big question is why would you join a organization that bombed you back to the Stone Age? One must answer these questions honestly before they decide if they should join this artificial organization that is looking out for the interest of the original members.

They, the US, and EU created the crisis in Yugoslavia so that they could keep NATO alive and to economically and political dominate Eastern Europe. Most Easter European countries always sided with what ever ever country was dominating Europe at the time, except Serbia. So, if they could make an example out of Serbia the rest would fall in line, and they did. So is this an organization that Serbia sees future with? Keep in mind that Serbia today is in the same position economically and political as they were prior to WWI, with no real or true allies what so ever. The best scenario would be if Russia, India and China create a block that would balance the power of US and EU…then Serbia’s choice would be clear and independent, and in the hands of Serbian people to decide.

As for handing over so-called war criminals, that is the biggest farce in modern history of the world. Imagine singling out one nation, one ethnic group for something that outsiders created and then just blaming that one ethnic group, essentially putting collective guilt on one ethnic group in order to justify the unjustifiable bombing or destruction of Yugoslavia. Is this an organization Serbs want to join, do some or all of you believe that they would help Serbia?

[Hercegovac]

I do not know a great deal of what happened in 99 but JNA could of wiped out the Albanians. Do you think they would just watch and let Serbia crush Albania?

Dont talk about Krajina if you dont want to admit what Serbs did, its all great talking about other countries stuff up's but nooo not Serbia's! JNA never mass murdered civilians or ever had death camps? what did they go around as ballerinas saying we want peace or something?

[LopuZa]

I do not know a great deal of what happened in 99 but JNA could of wiped out the Albanians. Do you think they would just watch and let Serbia crush Albania?

Dont talk about Krajina if you dont want to admit what Serbs did, its all great talking about other countries stuff up's but nooo not Serbia's! JNA never mass murdered civilians or ever had death camps? what did they go around as ballerinas saying we want peace or something?

Why would Serbia want to crush Albania? Serbs and Albanians lived in peace for a long time and only when outside forces tried to occupy Serbia, Kosovo has there been antagonism between the two ethnic groups…Turkey in post modern times and Italy and Germany, and the US in modern times.

Obviously you need to study the history of Krajina, the unbiased history of Krajina, before you start with that one sided BS that is promoted by revisionists of history that are bent on changing the true history of the region at all cost. Serbs were part of Krajina for the last 750 years and no one can change that fact, Serbs were allowed to settle Krajina by the Austrian Hungarian Kings to act as a buffer zone or protection against Turkish invasion. What was done to Serbs in Krajina is something that Germany and the Nazi puppet government of the then independent Croatia could not accomplish total removal of Serbian population from Krajina.

It is not about pointing fingers of who did what; things were done, indirectly and directly, it was a civil war created by outside forces, accepted by insiders or all six leaders of the six ex-republics of Yugoslavia. They the leaders were bent on keeping their power, and they allowed nothing to interfere with that. It was not a religious war; it was not a war of ethnic rivalry…

[LopuZa]

Ur sensible 2 talk to and know lots of stuff, but i was trying to prove something the language proposal wont go down well, ex yugoslav nations wont mix nor will the reason with each other, most of us here are pretty kool with each other and thats great, but many many things still hurt people and whatever EU has in plan wont make things better.


As for the language, if one of you would do little research as to what language became the basis of all others in ex-Yugoslavia, you will find out some very interesting facts, that can’t be revised or changed no matter how hard one tries.

(jekavski)

Written Serbian was standardised in the first half of the 19th Century by
Vuk Karadzic as part of the Serbian nationalist project - Serbia achieved
de-facto independence from the Ottoman Empire around 1817. Karadzic decided that the dialect spoken in Eastern Hercegovina was the most pure Serbian and it became the basis for modern Serbian. Prior to Karadzic's work virtually the only literate Serbs in Serbia were the clergy and they read and wrote in Old Church Slavonic. Serbian Orthodox church services are still conducted in OCS.

There are currently two main dialects of Serbo-Croat - ekavski and jekavski
- which are mutually intelligible. Ekavski is spoken in Serbia, Montenegro
and Eastern Hercegovina. Jekavski is spoken in Bosnia and most of Croatia.

The breakup of Yugoslavia saw saw a considerable amount of nationalist
linguistic idiocy as Serb, Croat and Bosnian ideologues tried to declare
Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian distinct languages.

According to the daughter of the local Serbian Orthodox priest who wrote a
linguistics masters on it the Bosnian Serb statelet tried to get Bosnian
Serbs to change from speaking Jekavski to Ekavski during the war but met
with little success.

In Croatia the government tried to purge Croatian of foreign words and
replace them with words derived from Slavic roots. For example airports once
called 'Areodrom' became the ludicrous 'Zrakoplovna Luka' which means Air
Swimmer Harbour.

[Hercegovac]

It is not about pointing fingers of who did what; things were done, indirectly and directly, it was a civil war created by outside forces, accepted by insiders or all six leaders of the six ex-republics of Yugoslavia. They the leaders were bent on keeping their power, and they allowed nothing to interfere with that. It was not a religious war; it was not a war of ethnic rivalry…

That i agree with 100%

[PartizanBeograd]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/lt/thumb/c/ce/180px-Hercegovina.jpg

This is Hercegovina, about 1/5 of BiH is Herzigovina, the part u choose is the Croatian inhabited half.
About the dialect have u ever hear of "ekavski & iekavski"
for example "Mleko - Mljeko" i use both words
its almost the same thing, its just foolish trying to say that it is not

[LopuZa]

Serbo-Croatian

...
Make no mistake, the word used for "what" wasn't the only difference between the first three dialects, it's merely used in the naming scheme -- they had many differences in grammar, spelling and vocabulary.

In addition to the above dialects, there was another differentiation in the speech, based on how the old Slavic "jot" sound was pronounced:

* ikavian ("ikavski"), e.g. child=dite, wind=vitar
* ijekavian/jekavian ("ijekavski/jekavski"), e.g. child=dijete, wind=vjetar
* ekavian ("ekavski"), e.g. child=dete, wind=vetar

Ikavian is commonly paired with cakavian and stokavian, ijekavian most commonly with stokavian, and ekavian with both kajkavian and stokavian in some places.

Anyway, back to the history. You must have noticed how the names of the above terms don't have anything national in them, despite the fact these peoples have had their own nation-like kingdoms ever since the Great Migration. This variety makes it hard to have a standard national language, so the national movements that came to existance in the 19th century tried to change it.
...
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=457703

[Hercegovac]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/lt/thumb/c/ce/180px-Hercegovina.jpg

This is Hercegovina, about 1/5 of BiH is Herzigovina, the part u choose is the Croatian inhabited half.
About the dialect have u ever hear of "ekavski & iekavski"
for example "Mleko - Mljeko" i use both words
its almost the same thing, its just foolish trying to say that it is not

That sounds correct "about 1/5 of BiH is Herzigovina"

The part i chose is Hercegovina, i tried to explain that most of Hercegovina is occupied by Croats. which i have selected for you.

I have never herd of "ekavski & iekavski" but there are many words that are different i cant think of all!. But Serbs write cerilica and Croatians write latinica so how can that be same language?

[LopuZa]

That sounds correct "about 1/5 of BiH is Herzigovina"

The part i chose is Hercegovina, i tried to explain that most of Hercegovina is occupied by Croats. which i have selected for you.

I have never herd of "ekavski & iekavski" but there are many words that are different i cant think of all!. But Serbs write cerilica and Croatians write latinica so how can that be same language?

Regardless of the dialect spoken by these two majority ethnic groups all ethnic groups that made up Yugoslavia used one of four Serbian dialects. No matter how hard people try they can never change that fact.

It really does not matter how it is written, it is basically the same language, the reason Croats use Latin is influence of the Roman Catholic Church which used Latin, while the Serbs were influenced by the Eastern Orthodox Church which used old Slavonic language, written in Cyrillic.

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

Just glad that LOPUZA speaks!! wow I thought you were mute...next thing I know you are one rockking machine

[Marko_c]

Lopuza can shut ne one up in a second

[plato-ny]

Before I remove this thread, I will make a quick comment on Serbia efforts to join EU, since I am Serbian; EU for Serbia would be a bad idea, today or tomorrow.

If EU had good intentions for Serbia and perhaps the rest of the Eastern European countries which include the Balkan countries, then they would have helped those countries much before 1990’s…instead while they were busy unifying Germany they were busy undermining and dissolving Yugoslavia. They, EU members, Germany, Austria admitted that they helped secessionists throughout the ex-Yugoslavia achieve their goals of independence; they provided training, arms, and logistics. One none EU member US admitted that they provide training, arms, and even hired a private military corporation, MPRI that helped Croatia ethnically cleanse Serbs from Krajina. EU or NATO provided the air force, so why would any intelligent Serb want to be a member of EU. If one examines the past of EU members, other then Britain all the current members of EU are or were in the Nazi camp during WWII, that would explain their dislike for Yugoslavia, and Serbian people. Now the big question is why would you join a organization that bombed you back to the Stone Age? One must answer these questions honestly before they decide if they should join this artificial organization that is looking out for the interest of the original members.

They, the US, and EU created the crisis in Yugoslavia so that they could keep NATO alive and to economically and political dominate Eastern Europe. Most Easter European countries always sided with what ever ever country was dominating Europe at the time, except Serbia. So, if they could make an example out of Serbia the rest would fall in line, and they did. So is this an organization that Serbia sees future with? Keep in mind that Serbia today is in the same position economically and political as they were prior to WWI, with no real or true allies what so ever. The best scenario would be if Russia, India and China create a block that would balance the power of US and EU…then Serbia’s choice would be clear and independent, and in the hands of Serbian people to decide.

As for handing over so-called war criminals, that is the biggest farce in modern history of the world. Imagine singling out one nation, one ethnic group for something that outsiders created and then just blaming that one ethnic group, essentially putting collective guilt on one ethnic group in order to justify the unjustifiable bombing or destruction of Yugoslavia. Is this an organization Serbs want to join, do some or all of you believe that they would help Serbia?

Don't you think that Greece, who is one of the original 12 EU members, would be Serbia's biggest supporter and possibly convince its EU members to look at Serbia from a different perspective?

[JUZNI_FRONT666]

Don't you think that Greece, who is one of the original 12 EU members, would be Serbia's biggest supporter and possibly convince its EU members to look at Serbia from a different perspective?

You guys were the only ones that heped us durring bombings...I still rememmber truck convoys with help arriving in Nish...demonstrations 1 million people in Athens

[LopuZa]

Don't you think that Greece, who is one of the original 12 EU members, would be Serbia's biggest supporter and possibly convince its EU members to look at Serbia from a different perspective?

First let’s get few facts straight, Greece is not one of the original six member states. The European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) was founded in 1951 (Treaty of Paris), by France, West Germany, Italy, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands to pool the steel and coal resources of its member-states, thus preventing another European war. The headquarters of the ECSC was, beginning in 1952, in the capital city of Luxembourg.

Second I thank our Greek brothers for their help, but really I do not want to see Serbia or Montenegro as members of EU. I gave my reasons for why I do not want to see these two independent states join nothing more then a gang and a bully. If gangs are bad for individuals why would not a gang be bad for individual countries? You have to ask your self some questions and then answer them honestly. It appears that these particular European countries, the original six members found it necessary to seek security in numbers, yet if we analyze why people join gangs we conclude that basically most people join gangs for the same reason security in numbers, and there are other reasons. I always found myself to be independent of clicks, groups, gangs…I have no self esteem issues, I am mature, educated, and very independent, and I like to remain that way. I am also proud of my heritage, my background, who I am or who my people are or my country, Serbia.

The other organization that is trying to get SCG to join them is NATO, yes the same organization responsible for some of the biggest crimes against humanity in the 21st century, I say no to them as well…that is where I stand on that subject.

[plato-ny]

First let’s get few facts straight, Greece is not one of the original six member states. The European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) was founded in 1951 (Treaty of Paris), by France, West Germany, Italy, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands to pool the steel and coal resources of its member-states, thus preventing another European war. The headquarters of the ECSC was, beginning in 1952, in the capital city of Luxembourg.

Second I thank our Greek brothers for their help, but really I do not want to see Serbia or Montenegro as members of EU. I gave my reasons for why I do not want to see these two independent states join nothing more then a gang and a bully. If gangs are bad for individuals why would not a gang be bad for individual countries? You have to ask your self some questions and then answer them honestly. It appears that these particular European countries, the original six members found it necessary to seek security in numbers, yet if we analyze why people join gangs we conclude that basically most people join gangs for the same reason security in numbers, and there are other reasons. I always found myself to be independent of clicks, groups, gangs…I have no self esteem issues, I am mature, educated, and very independent, and I like to remain that way. I am also proud of my heritage, my background, who I am or who my people are or my country, Serbia.

The other organization that is trying to get SCG to join them is NATO, yes the same organization responsible for some of the biggest crimes against humanity in the 21st century, I say no to them as well…that is where I stand on that subject.

I see your point. But, you misunderstood me in the beginning. I said Greece was one of the original 12 EU members, not one of the original six members of the The European Coal and Steel Community. This was one formation of the pre-EU and when Greece joined the European Commission in 1981 as the 10th member state, that paved the way for the formation of a 12-member EU years later.

[Karadjordje]

I see your point. But, you misunderstood me in the beginning. I said Greece was one of the original 12 EU members, not one of the original six members of the The European Coal and Steel Community. This was one formation of the pre-EU and when Greece joined the European Commission in 1981 as the 10th member state, that paved the way for the formation of a 12-member EU years later.


Lopuza, didnt u say ud close this thread?


b4 u do LONG LIVE Crvena Zvezda! :thumbsup:

[Hercegovac]

Lopuza, didnt u say ud close this thread?


b4 u do LONG LIVE RATKO MLADIC! :thumbsup:

Yeah in his cave :ronaldo:

[PartizanBeograd]

him and Gotovina are sharing Sljivo, and cracking jokes about how Del Ponte is never going to find them.
:rolling: :rolling:

[IvanK]

him and Gotovina are sharing Sljivo, and cracking jokes about how Del Ponte is never going to find them.
:rolling: :rolling:
I hope Del Ponte gets assinated.

[Hercegovac]

I hope Del Ponte gets assinated.

hahah that ugly cow.

shi gets :red-card: up her big ass.