Away From (Albanian) Soccer.

[RonaldoD08]

Ok guys the thread is self explanatory. You know the forum (Away from soccer), now you have the thread (Away from (Albanian) soccer). You can talk here about things not directly related to soccer but related to Albania.
Don't start political stuff or any emotional fighting.
There are a lot of other things you can talk about...
School, work, fun, parties, music, sport (not including soccer :silly: :ronaldo: ), art etc. etc.

PS: Opinions are opinions. Nobody has to take them as true facts and nobody has to prove their opinions. However, nobody has the right to generalise based on his own opinions. These are the rules. Have fun! :thumbsup:

[Black_Eagle]

Ok guys the thread is self explanatory. You know the forum (Away from soccer), now you have the thread (Away from (Albanian) soccer). You can talk here about things not directly related to soccer but related to Albania.
Don't start political stuff or any emotional fighting.
There are a lot of other things you can talk about...
School, work, fun, parties, music, sport (not including soccer :silly: :ronaldo: ), art etc. etc.

PS: Opinions are opinions. Nobody has to take them as true facts and nobody has to prove their opinions. However, nobody has the right to generalise based on his own opinions. These are the rules. Have fun! :thumbsup:
It's a good idea RonaldoD08 but useless, we don't have what to say, how can i talk for a party when i am in England and you are in America, we cannot talk for the school too because we enter in this forum to forget school and not to talk about it. Anyway thats my opinion, others may think differently,

[RonaldoD08]

It's a good idea RonaldoD08 but useless, we don't have what to say, how can i talk for a party when i am in England and you are in America, we cannot talk for the school too because we enter in this forum to forget school and not to talk about it. Anyway thats my opinion, others may think differently,

you don't have to use any of the the alternatives i provided....
you can come up with new ones...
plus you have music there too...

[RonaldoD08]

lolol

[RonaldoD08]

does anyone here have albanian music or know any website you can download music from?

[Black_Eagle]

does anyone here have albanian music or know any website you can download music from?

RonaldoD08 you can download Albanian music from www.informacione.com ose www.kosovarap.com

Une mbi te gjitha jam vetem Shqiptar
ska lidhje qytetar apo katunar
e kam nje mesazh per te gjith rinine
te qifsha serbine bashke me to edhe greqine

[baggy]

RonaldoD08 you can download Albanian music from www.informacione.com ose www.kosovarap.com

Une mbi te gjitha jam vetem Shqiptar
ska lidhje qytetar apo katunar
e kam nje mesazh per te gjith rinine
te qifsha serbine bashke me to edhe greqine

Shum flm Black_Eagle, me duheshin website te tilla, e meqe ti mbulon zonen e Londres, i din ma mir ata qe rrijn anej. Per noj informacion nga Bullgaria m'kontakto personalisht, se t'i them un. Shnet vlla, e takohena ne Tirane, per pushimet e Vitit te Ri 2006, se deri ather nuk shkoj n'Shqipni!

P.S.: Edhe na merr noj her n'telefon mar burr se na ka marr malli me ta ni zanin!

[baggy]

Urime DO8, per detyren tende te re te moderatorit tone! Suksese!!!

[RonaldoD08]

Thanx Gajtis.

Now we will have some rules in this forum. You know me. I tolerate up to when it is acceptable.

[ForcaMadrid]

This is just for fun and to bring you the reality of Albanian life

E verteta e plote mbi ngjarjen ne Vatikan

VDEKJA E PAPES, OSE "KUR THERRET QAMETI"


Faqezinjte qe i duan te keqen Protokollit te Shtetit sot mund te ferkojne duart te kenaqur...

Ja kronologjia e plote e incidentit diplomatik ne Vatikan.


Ora 09:30
Mberrin ne aeroportin e Ciampino-s delegacioni i pare shqiptar i udhehequr nga Gjeneral-Leitnant Alfred Moisiu. Alarmohet stafi i sigurise, sepse presidenti i Shqiperise mban ne brez koburet e Isa Boletinit te cilat do t'i lere mbi arkivolin e Papes si kujtim.

Ora 09:37
Delegacioni i pare shqiptar humb nga syte e autoriteteve te sigurise.
Vihen ne levizje karabinieret dhe skuadrat me qen antidroge te DIGOS te cilet gjejne delegacionin ne zonen Duty-Free duke blere cigare.

Ora 09:44
Mberrin ne aeroportin e Ciampino-s delegacioni i dyte shqiptar i udhehequr nga Kryeministri Fatos Nano. Kur meson se ekziston nje delegacion i dyte shqiptar, shefi i sigurise se aeroportit peson nje krize te lehte nervore. Shoqerohet me autoambulance ne kliniken "Gemelli" ku gjendet edhe sot.

Ora 09:54
Mberrin ne aeroportin e Fiumicino-s delegacioni i trete shqiptar i udhehequr nga Presidenti i Kosoves, Ibrahim Rugova. Autoritetet e sigurise ia fshehin kete lajm shefit te tyre te hospitalizuar nga frika e nje ataku kardiak.

Ora 10:15
Delegacionit te dyte shqiptar i duhet te prese perpara parfumerise "Channel 5" ne duty free, sa te dale Xhoi. Pritja bllokon mberritjen e delegacionit te Afganistanit te udhehequr nga Presidenti Karzai. Ky i fundit, me te mberritur, i terheq vemendjen Xhoanes te mbuloje fytyren.

Ora 11:00
Mberrin ne Fiumicino delegacioni i katert shqiptar, i udhehequr nga ish- Presidenti Sali Berisha. Ne minuten e fundit Berisha kishte refuzuar te hynte ne perberje te delegacionit te pare, te udhehequr nga Presidenti Moisiu. Lajmi tashme nuk shkakton asnje reagim nga autoritetet e sigurise.

Ora 11:15
Bllokim i plote trafiku ne qytetin e Romes, i cili sapo eshte vizituar nga delegacioni
me i madh ne histori. Kater delegacionet shqiptare i shoqerojne dy autobuse te
mbushur me bodyguards dhe nje autobus i mbushur me valixhet e bashkeshorteve.
Qytetaret e Romes ngaterrojne flamujte e kuq ne veturat e delegacioneve shqiptare me flamurin e Kines. Ambasada kineze ne Rome detyrohet te deklaroje se terhiqet nga pjesemarrja ne funeral.

Ora 12:00
Delegacionet priten ne katedralen Shen-Pjeter ne Vatikan. Kreut te Partise Demokristiane Nikoll Lesi, i duhet te mbaje rradhe nga fillimi sepse heren e pare hyri me kemben e majte. Kembengulja e tij shkakton vonesa ne rradhen e personaliteteve qe presin te hyjne ne katedrale, nder te cilet numerohen Mbreteresha e Anglise, Mbreti i Spanjes, Elvis Costello dhe Sting.

Ora 12:15
Konfuzion ne shkallet e jashtme te katedrales Shen Pjeter. Presidenti Moisiu kerkon t'i kthehen koburet e Isa Boletinit. Nderhyn Kardinali Sodano i cili genjen Moisiun me dy pistoleta plastike. Nderkaq Fatos Nano, duke perfituar nga rremuja, hyn ne rradhen e personaliteteve duke zene karrigen e Moisiut. Xhoana nderron mendje dhe nuk merr pjese ne funeral, pasi ka blere dy bileta per garat me kuaj.

Ora 12:29
Shefi i Ceremonialit Hyjnor ne Vatikan dergohet urgjentisht ne kliniken "Gemelli". Sali Berisha sapo ka perdorur kryqin e mermerte te punuar nga Bernini si varese rrobash.

Ora 13:05
Dy aeroplane gjuajtes F-17 shterngojne helikopterin privat te Xhoanes te beje ulje te detyruar ne aeroportin ushtarak te Romes. I pyetur nga autoritetet, piloti pohon se Xhoana i kishte lene porosi ta merrte nga sheshi i Shen-Pjetrit ne oren 13:00.

Ora 13:09
Moisiu futet ne Shen-Pjeter dhe i kerkon Fatos Nanos te liroje vendin. Fatos Nano refuzon duke thene se eshte ulur ai i pari. Moisiu e kundershton: "Jo, duhet te ulem une i pari". Nikoll Lesi i terheq vemendjen Fatos Nanos se atij i eshte caktuar vend ne rradhen e katert. Nderkaq degjohet ulerima "Ne asnje menyre" e Sali Berishes, i cili refuzon te ulet ne rradhen e tete. Te tre ulen ne rradhen e pare duke spostuar majtas presidentin Karzai te Afganistanit. Presidenti Karzai i Afganistanit sposton me dyvende presidentin e Angoles, i cili shtyn menjane presidentin e Algjerise El-Fikryet.
Pasojne dy minuta shtyrjesh dhe sharjesh mes presidenteve te vendeve qe fillojne me "A"....Konfuzioni perhapet neper vendet qe fillojne me shkronjen "B", "C" dhe "D" dhe ne fund mbetet pa karrige Presidenti George W. Bush. Ai i ben me shenje Fatos Nanos se do t'i bjere me shpulle, por Fatosi qe sheh pese gishtat e hapur i ben me shenje se e kuptoi dhe i thote: "Pa merak, do dergoj edhe 50 ushtare te tjere ne Irak"

Ora 13:10
Rojat zviceriane te papes nderhyjne per qetesimin e gjendjes. Sali Berisha kerkon te marre fjalen, por rojat i kepusin fijen e mikrofonit me sepate.

Ora 13:15
Vijojne pershpirtjet dhe ceremonite mortore.

[ARBANITAI]

:D :D :D :D :D :ronaldo: :D :ronaldo: :D :ronaldo: :D :ronaldo: :D
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHA :D :ronaldo: :D :ronaldo: :D :ronaldo: :D :ronaldo: :D :ronaldo: :D :ronaldo: :D :ronaldo: :ronaldo:

[RonaldoD08]

Shume shume e bukur....

Jam i sigurte qe shumica jane te verteta...te pakten ashtu that shekulli...:D

[ARBANITAI]

Shume shume e bukur....

Jam i sigurte qe shumica jane te verteta...te pakten ashtu that shekulli...:D

:D :D :ronaldo: :ronaldo:
HaHaHaHaHaHA shum interesante e qesharake sidomos KJO :

Qytetaret e Romes ngaterrojne flamujte e kuq ne veturat e delegacioneve shqiptare me flamurin e Kines. Ambasada kineze ne Rome detyrohet te deklaroje se terhiqet nga pjesemarrja ne funeral.

Moisiu futet ne Shen-Pjeter dhe i kerkon Fatos Nanos te liroje vendin. Fatos Nano refuzon duke thene se eshte ulur ai i pari. Moisiu e kundershton: "Jo, duhet te ulem une i pari". Nikoll Lesi i terheq vemendjen Fatos Nanos se atij i eshte caktuar vend ne rradhen e katert. Nderkaq degjohet ulerima "Ne asnje menyre" e Sali Berishes, i cili refuzon te ulet ne rradhen e tete. Te tre ulen ne rradhen e pare duke spostuar majtas presidentin Karzai te Afganistanit. Presidenti Karzai i Afganistanit sposton me dyvende presidentin e Angoles, i cili shtyn menjane presidentin e Algjerise El-Fikryet.
Pasojne dy minuta shtyrjesh dhe sharjesh mes presidenteve te vendeve qe fillojne me "A"....Konfuzioni perhapet neper vendet qe fillojne me shkronjen "B", "C" dhe "D" dhe ne fund mbetet pa karrige Presidenti George W. Bush. Ai i ben me shenje Fatos Nanos se do t'i bjere me shpulle, por Fatosi qe sheh pese gishtat e hapur i ben me shenje se e kuptoi dhe i thote: "Pa merak, do dergoj edhe 50 ushtare te tjere ne Irak"

[Albanessi_$]

:D :D :ronaldo: :ronaldo:
HaHaHaHaHaHA shum interesante e qesharake sidomos KJO :

Qytetaret e Romes ngaterrojne flamujte e kuq ne veturat e delegacioneve shqiptare me flamurin e Kines. Ambasada kineze ne Rome detyrohet te deklaroje se terhiqet nga pjesemarrja ne funeral.

Moisiu futet ne Shen-Pjeter dhe i kerkon Fatos Nanos te liroje vendin. Fatos Nano refuzon duke thene se eshte ulur ai i pari. Moisiu e kundershton: "Jo, duhet te ulem une i pari". Nikoll Lesi i terheq vemendjen Fatos Nanos se atij i eshte caktuar vend ne rradhen e katert. Nderkaq degjohet ulerima "Ne asnje menyre" e Sali Berishes, i cili refuzon te ulet ne rradhen e tete. Te tre ulen ne rradhen e pare duke spostuar majtas presidentin Karzai te Afganistanit. Presidenti Karzai i Afganistanit sposton me dyvende presidentin e Angoles, i cili shtyn menjane presidentin e Algjerise El-Fikryet.
Pasojne dy minuta shtyrjesh dhe sharjesh mes presidenteve te vendeve qe fillojne me "A"....Konfuzioni perhapet neper vendet qe fillojne me shkronjen "B", "C" dhe "D" dhe ne fund mbetet pa karrige Presidenti George W. Bush. Ai i ben me shenje Fatos Nanos se do t'i bjere me shpulle, por Fatosi qe sheh pese gishtat e hapur i ben me shenje se e kuptoi dhe i thote: "Pa merak, do dergoj edhe 50 ushtare te tjere ne Irak"


:D :ronaldo: :D :ronaldo:
CESHT MOR KJO MA QITEN GAZIN VERTET KESHTU ESHT APO VETEM SHAKA ESHT ????

[ForcaMadrid]

E verteta eshte se pati ne incident pasi Nano kerkonte te ulej ne rradhen e pare ne vendin e rezervuar per Moisiun. Te tjerat jane shtuar per humor. Megjithate edhe shtesat bazohen ne tiper dhe karaktere te verteta. P.sh. Eshte e vertete qe pas ceremonise Qeveria shqiptare vendosi qe te dergonte edhe 50 ushtar te tjere ne Irak, etj.

[ARBANITAI]

E verteta eshte se pati ne incident pasi Nano kerkonte te ulej ne rradhen e pare ne vendin e rezervuar per Moisiun. Te tjerat jane shtuar per humor. Megjithate edhe shtesat bazohen ne tiper dhe karaktere te verteta. P.sh. Eshte e vertete qe pas ceremonise Qeveria shqiptare vendosi qe te dergonte edhe 50 ushtar te tjere ne Irak, etj.

te dergoj edhe 50 ushtar shqiptar ??

a din kush sa ushtar shqiptar jan gjithsej ne Irak

[ForcaMadrid]

te sakt nuk e di por eshte diku midis 100 dhe 200

[Albanessi_$]

te sakt nuk e di por eshte diku midis 100 dhe 200

Bash mir Shtetet tjera po i terhjekin Ushtaret e vet nga Iraku per qdo dit
kurse shqiperia po i shton ushtaret e vet ne irak kunder prej tjerve qe i shkon pershtati amerikanve pse jo :evil: edhe pak do te mbesin shqiptaret ata qe do ta kontrollojn Irakun bashk me miqt Amerikan :D ;) :evil: :thumbsup:
Edhe Diqka I kisha Propozu Ushtaret shqiptar atje te vjedhin Naft sa te munden atje ne irak e te bien ne Shqiperi te bajn Biznes se keshtu u pasurun shtetet tjera e te pasurohemi edhe ne pak se kemi mbet pak vet.. :D :thumbsup:

[DKulla]

Une kam degjuar qe ushtaret shqiptar ne irak jane ne duar te sigurta. Disa rrine roje ne spitalet e Ushtareve Amerikan (qe jane gjitheashtu te mbrojtur), disa rrine dezhurn ne Pallate te qendrave te komunikimit me ShBA-ne. Kurse disa te tjere punojne si guzhinjera per ushtaret Amerikan...disa qerojne patatet, disa grijn sallat, kurse disa te tjere mbushin tasa me sup dhe ne fund te turnit lajne pjatat dhe çimenton.

[ForcaMadrid]

Une kam degjuar qe ushtaret shqiptar ne irak jane ne duar te sigurta. Disa rrine roje ne spitalet e Ushtareve Amerikan (qe jane gjitheashtu te mbrojtur), disa rrine dezhurn ne Pallate te qendrave te komunikimit me ShBA-ne. Kurse disa te tjere punojne si guzhinjera per ushtaret Amerikan...disa qerojne patatet, disa grijn sallat, kurse disa te tjere mbushin tasa me sup dhe ne fund te turnit lajne pjatat dhe çimenton.
ushtaret shqiptar ruajne aeroportin e Mosulit dhe patrullojne ne disa rruge. jane sulmuar ne disa raste dhe kane patur edhe te plagosur, fatmiresisht jo te vrare.
Per me teper shpenzimet e tyre perballohen nga buxheti i shtetit.

[Albanessi_$]

Une kam degjuar qe ushtaret shqiptar ne irak jane ne duar te sigurta. Disa rrine roje ne spitalet e Ushtareve Amerikan (qe jane gjitheashtu te mbrojtur), disa rrine dezhurn ne Pallate te qendrave te komunikimit me ShBA-ne. Kurse disa te tjere punojne si guzhinjera per ushtaret Amerikan...disa qerojne patatet, disa grijn sallat, kurse disa te tjere mbushin tasa me sup dhe ne fund te turnit lajne pjatat dhe çimenton.


Ahhh haha dkulla i bere kuzhinier pastrues :D e kamarier ushtaret shqiptar ne IRAK
Ata jan derguar atje si peace-makers te patrollojn edhe pse jo te ndihmojn koleget tjere si ata amerikan ? Edhe diqka aka qen presidenti moisiu najher ne vizit ne irak ushtareve Shqiptar...?

[ForcaMadrid]

ku ja mban moisiut me shku ne irak

[ARBANITAI]

ku ja mban moisiut me shku ne irak


:ronaldo: HeHeHe :ronaldo: qe besa mir e ke :D

[baggy]

Edhe diqka aka qen presidenti moisiu najher ne vizit ne irak ushtareve Shqiptar...?

Ka ken ne nantorin e 2003-shit, per festen e flamurit!

[ARBANITAI]

Ka ken ne nantorin e 2003-shit, per festen e flamurit!

Mesa kam Degju Moisiu ka qen edhe ne Afganistan per vizite !

a mos ka edhe ne afganistan ushtar shqiptar atje nuk kam degjuar qe ka :confused:

[baggy]

Mesa kam Degju Moisiu ka qen edhe ne Afganistan per vizite !

a mos ka edhe ne afganistan ushtar shqiptar atje nuk kam degjuar qe ka :confused:

Edhe atje ka nja 40 a 50 veta!

[ARIANIT_C]

Edhe atje ka nja 40 a 50 veta!

hmm 40-50 vete ja kemi fut kot edhe ne shqiptaret ket here :confused:
vec sa te paraqitemi se kemi edhe ne ushtar ne irak e afganistan si paqe-ruajtes ne fakt jan krejt pak per te kryer pune.. :dontcare:

[²k5Kosova²k5]

ushtaret shqiptar should be in mitrovica and kick serbias ass and rejoin it the rest of kosova

[ARBANITAI]

ushtaret shqiptar should be in mitrovica and kick serbias ass and rejoin it the rest of kosova

IdE e MIre...?

I dunno y there are no ushtar shqiptare ne kosove... Mbase Ne Bosnje ka...`??

[²k5Kosova²k5]

yes but we need them where they are needet in kosova so we can have a great albnian its every kosovns dream i dont know about every abnins dream

[DKulla]

i think the dream would be to be civilized and more productive. It would not interest Kosovo to become one with Albania, there is nothing wrong with that, but Albania needs to have a stronger and a less corrupt government, while still maintaining its culture and traditions. Kosovo in my view is further ahead (in the right direction).

[²k5Kosova²k5]

the goverment in albania is bad now but i could chnge if we get salih berish

[Metroplex]

albanians should stop squatting in albania and give their land over to Greece.

[Albanessi_$]

albanians should stop squatting in albania and give their land over to Greece.

I think greece should give land to Albania it sounds much better this :thumbsup:

[Metroplex]

I think you should stop talking now.

[Albanessi_$]

I think you should stop talking now.

first of all u start this and now i beg you to shut up..

[Metroplex]

Albanessi didn't you hear about the other friendly albania was participating in, I believe there is a thread up about it, you should check it out.

[ForcaMadrid]

albanians should stop squatting in albania and give their land over to Greece.
MetroPlesht, i still wonder what the ***k are you doing here.

[²k5Kosova²k5]

looking for a date with gay men no m8 we do not have gay ppl in albanian thread if you wont a date look in the greece thread..

[VANCITY 21]

so why'd you ask him out gaylord

[PAO_HELLAS]

RonaldoD08 why did you made invisible the Ergotelis-Albania thread?

[Metroplex]

RonaldoD08 why did you made invisible the Ergotelis-Albania thread?

Ya, exactly why did you do that?

The supermods should ban him for abusing his priveledges.

[ForcaMadrid]

Ya, exactly why did you do that?

The supermods should ban him for abusing his priveledges.
You should have got a ban long ago MetroPlesht. Most of your posts are nothing but pure provocations.

[Albanessi_$]

You should have got a ban long ago MetroPlesht. Most of your posts are nothing but pure provocations.

YES EXACTLY this guy is so unbehaved person.. I just dont know why he still didnt get a Ban YeT :confused: ... He really deserves to be banned for a long time ago...
I hope the supermods will find out and kick this guy out from here...!!! :fed-up:

[swoll1983]

Ban all the damn greeks from this site

[swoll1983]

I didnt come here to see either their ugly flag or listen to their bullcrap

[PAO_HELLAS]

Who finally won your elections, Nano or Berisha? I could see them both celebrating :D.

[ARBANITAI]

Who finally won your elections, Nano or Berisha? I could see them both celebrating :D.

Really! :dead: sure they ll be happy to winn lol

[PAO_HELLAS]

Really! :dead: sure they ll be happy to winn lol

I think Berisha will finally win.

[DKulla]

Berisha won from what i heard (like 1 hour ago)

[alb_warrior]

well with berisha for sure there will be no more cooperation with greece....he will prolly put some electric wire in the border of albania and greece and send all the greek minority back....and bring the albanians from greece back to alb...
but i think i see a better future with sala...nano was just too much corrupted and his whole government..in the democratic party there are many intellectual and serious politicians

[PAO_HELLAS]

well with berisha for sure there will be no more cooperation with greece....he will prolly put some electric wire in the border of albania and greece and send all the greek minority back....and bring the albanians from greece back to alb...
but i think i see a better future with sala...nano was just too much corrupted and his whole government..in the democratic party there are many intellectual and serious politicians

Hehe that would be nice :). How long Albania will last then before then begging again for help?

All that the electric wire will not let some Albanians coming illegal to Greece that would be good. But unfortunately I don't think Berisha will do what you say...

[poutismalakas]

Hehe that would be nice :). How long Albania will last then before then begging again for help?

All that the electric wire will not let some Albanians coming illegal to Greece that would be good. But unfortunately I don't think Berisha will do what you say...
:evil: :evil:

[DKulla]

lol.
Greece doesn't have a problem keeping its shit together, even amongst themselves. But you see, Albania would be doing it for the protection of its neighbors. And to look at the electrical fence at face value instead of just breaking off connections with greece (which is what albwarrior meant if i am not mistaken), where are they gonna find the electricity anyway? :)

I am happy Nano lost. Not that Berisha is any better, but he certainly will have more pressure now. The international observers are not happy with the election because it produced turmoil which reulted in few related killings ....there is a possibility....although i doubt it.....to redo the elections if its said so from above. In any case it will most likely proudce the same result.

Now Berisha's win is awaiting official confirmation.

[ForcaMadrid]

Brief sum up.

1. Berisha won. The exact number of seats is not confirmed yet, but he has won enought to form the government.
2. It won't change the relations with Greece. Maybe even better. Remember that even in Greece they have a new party in power which is on the same wing and the same european group with DP (democratic Party) in albania.
3. things will certainly get much better. If nothing else the corruption will be reduced a lot. Nano's government was very corrupt and Berisha is know to be a honest politician.
4. there was ONLY one person killed during the elections. Please don't state things that really didn't happen.

i live in Tirana. I am following the news everyday till midnight these days so what i said above is true.

[ForcaMadrid]

Also, the elections will not be repeated. There may be a few polling stations only which won't have any effect.

[DKulla]

whoopdee doo!

I heard "kishte vrasje" which to me sounds like more than one. But i guess if it was just one....then yeah, no biggie. :p
Pardon my credibility as i don't live in Tirana at the moment and i am not as well informed. At the same time, i was interpreting albwarriors post, not that i know the workings of our complicated government and their connections with greece :).

somtimes you get lost in translation

[ForcaMadrid]

No problem. I also got frustrated a bit because of how people and especially media like to take a single thing into a big thing. E.g. BBC was talking about elections in Albania and that two people got killed while celebrating in Lushnja. In fact those killings had nothing to do with elections. It was merely a revenge. One of them was a wanted criminal. He murdered someone and and the relatives of the victim chased the murderer and killed him minutes after. This happened a couple of dayes after the elections anyway.

If you read BBC they will make it sound as if the murderers were done between political supporters and link it with elections.

[martin_petrov17]

Hey why don't you discuss Albania politics?? A good questions is why are they trying to steal land all the time.

[DKulla]

they try to steal land all the time, because its jo so easy, and the world is so stupid that it can actually be done

what land is albania stealing and how can albania do such a thing?

[DKulla]

oh...you've been red carded for diving

[alidems]

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[DKulla]

Gezuar!

[ARBANITAI]

GEZUAR 28 NENTORIN
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flm vlaqko gezur edhe ti diten e pavarsis 28 nentorin ;) :)

[ARIANIT_C]

SHIKONI KET MESAZH :D

klikoni ketu posht per ta par edhe pastaj jepni opinion tuaj per ket ju falenderoj..

AriaNIT-C

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[Annis]

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or the other site, btw that was good :)

[PartizanBeograd]

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[poutismalakas]

FUNNY BUT Innapropriate!!

[alidems]

99% of average ppl dont even know where albania is on the map... plz explain what u have to be so proud of, is it your retarded flag that looks like a little kid drew.


you are right 99 % of the people dont even know where Albania is and you know why ?
Because we dont kill children & women like serbian are known in the world.
That "retarded" flag is at least 600 hundred years old .

[GentiaNi]

you are right 99 % of the people dont even know where Albania is and you know why ?
Because we dont kill children & women like serbian are known in the world.
That "retarded" flag is at least 600 hundred years old .

Very true, serbs are allways known world wide as criminal narco, butcher mafia ppl.
thats why they are known but only for bad things, nothing good comes from them. unless til now one, dunno about the future..

Instead of, Albania have bring to this world heros, and humanist people, dont forget the most humanist women in this earth Mother Teresa who whole her life worked and helped poor children in India and world wide..

[Panathinaikos2]

Very true, serbs are allways known world wide as criminal narco, butcher mafia ppl.
thats why they are known but only for bad things, nothing good comes from them. unless til now one, dunno about the future..

Instead of, Albania have bring to this world heros, and humanist people, dont forget the most humanist women in this earth Mother Teresa who whole her life worked and helped poor children in India and world wide..Every country has done some bad and Albania is no different. Besides what do you have to say about the Albanians in Kosovo?

[Sandro1]

Every country has done some bad and Albania is no different. Besides what do you have to say about the Albanians in Kosovo?

Yes yes we know, but compared to Serbia, that have done war and genocide to inoccent ppl from the 90´s to to the 99th we are much better, due to the fact that we didnt had any wars from the world war 2!
now John buzuku and mother teresa were Albanians who worked for peace in world Mother Teresa helped poor people in india and balcans she was a big humanist woman she won many titles for that she done..

Kosovo Albanians are innocent ppl, they havnt done anything wrong and it was not their wish to go to war, its not them who started the war, it was serb goverment and president milosevic who wished to kill them,
kosovars took up the weapons to defend them selfes first only when serbs attacked on them, Ibrahim Rugova was Albanian kosovar president he was such an good peacefull man, also the world called him as the "Gandhi of Balcans" when he died..

[GentiaNi]

right you got my point:thumbsup:

[Sandro1]

Histori - Dy Shqiptarë në nje ring - Seferi vs. Huck

Për herë te parë në hsitorinë Shqiptare, luftojn dy boksiera profesionist me prejardhje Shqiptare mes veti: Nuri Seferi (Maqedoni) dhe Marco Huck (Mali i zi). Me 3. Qershor 2006 në Hannover të Gjermanisë ne paletsren "TUI ARENA" atë natë kur kampioni i peshës se rënd Nicolay Valuev do ta mbron titullin e tij të WBA-së, dy djem nga trojet Shqiptare shenojnë histori - luftojnë mes veti në parameq në peshën Kruzer, kjo nuk ka ndodhur kurr me parë që dy boksiera me prejardhje Shqiptare me rekord të mirë ne boksin.

Profesionist të luftojnë mes veti. Mirëpo kjo tregon se boksierat Shqiptarë jan te vlersuar ndërkombtarisht dhe numri i tyre sa vjen dhe shtohet. Për ta shikuar këtë luftë drejtpërdrejt mund te siguroni Biletat në Klubin Sauerland Promotion: +4918054470 (12 cent për minut nga Gjermania). Kjo luftë brizante pritet te paraqitet drejtpërdrejt nga Kanali i parë Gjerman ARD, i cili mund të shikohet në Satelitin Astra nga mbarë Evropa.

Albanian-Boxing.com - lajmi më i shpejt për Shqiptarët e Ringut.

[GentiaNi]

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[ulster21]

you are right 99 % of the people dont even know where Albania is and you know why ?
Because we dont kill children & women like serbian are known in the world.
That "retarded" flag is at least 600 hundred years old .

- Isn't most of Tirana run by the Albanian mafia, and there are alot of Albanian criminals & gangs in Italy & Northern Europe. Don't pretend you are the world's most peaceful people just because of one person(Mother Theresa).
- On a side note, The Albanian flag looks kind off evil. Does it bother you that the colors red & black are also the traditional colors of Satan. Not meant to be offensive just something I always wondered about.

[Centarfor9]

- Isn't most of Tirana run by the Albanian mafia, and there are alot of Albanian criminals & gangs in Italy & Northern Europe.
Where did you find this out?

- On a side note, The Albanian flag looks kind off evil. Does it bother you that the colors red & black are also the traditional colors of Satan. Not meant to be offensive just something I always wondered about
Those colors probably don't represent satan in the Albanian Culture.

[ARBANITAI]

- Isn't most of Tirana run by the Albanian mafia, and there are alot of Albanian criminals & gangs in Italy & Northern Europe. Don't pretend you are the world's most peaceful people just because of one person(Mother Theresa).
- On a side note, The Albanian flag looks kind off evil. Does it bother you that the colors red & black are also the traditional colors of Satan. Not meant to be offensive just something I always wondered about.

I dont know what your point is !!!?? :rolleyes:
Either you say this to ignore ppl with it, or either you have no idea about Albania, and Albanians in General..

Tirana and non of Albanian part, is not run by criminals or mafia, such mafia doesnt exist in Albania, of course every country has its own criminals and so does Albania but they are very small in numbers, and they dont have that power to dominate anything...! you must get it !!

On the other, the Albanian flag, has nothing to bother you, the flag is one of europes oldest flag, and eagle is a very famous symbol world wide, many european countries use eagle as well today, like Albania, Usa,Germany, poland, Russia, Montenegro, Serbia etc...

The colour of Albania flag is red and black, The background is red, and eagle is black, just like a normal eagle colour is usually black/brown..
What ur are trying to say is red and Black is a satan colour, and then claim we are satans, first because it is not true, mother teresa is not the only one, Skenderbeg was a warrior who defend europe and christianty from turks, if you didnt know u have to read then, and many other albanians...second because colour flag doesnt make u satan, Germany´s flag is also Red-Black and yellow does that make them satan too, or Spanish flag which is red and yellow does that make them satan!!!

[ARBANITAI]

Where did you find this out?

Those colors probably don't represent satan in the Albanian Culture.

As i said every country has its small criminals, but "Albanian mafia" to run europe ?? first time i hear from him :D

And yes of course they dont represent satan in our culture !!!:rolleyes:

im still laughin of his coment :D

[Centarfor9]

And yes of course they dont represent satan in our culture !!!:rolleyes:

I think that he is basing his opinion from Western perspective. Just because black and red represent Satan colors in Western cultures, doesn’t mean that they represent Satan colors in Albanian culture.

[ARBANITAI]

I think that he is basing his opinion from Western perspective. Just because black and red represent Satan colors in Western cultures, doesn’t mean that they represent Satan colors in Albanian culture.

Your right! Thats what i also meant.. But still even if the colours of one countrys might be same to the satans colour you still cannot judge them as the same.. thats very stupid thought by ulster :rolleyes:

[poutismalakas]

From what I've heard there is an fairly sized problem with Albanian organized crime in Southern Europe. I don't think that the damage they cause is even close to what the Italian, Russian, Romanian, and Ukrainian gangs cause. But I think the most damage those Albanian gangs cause is in Greece and Albania. Greece because Greece doesn't have a history of Organized crime (with exception of the Klepftis). Albania because of the economy crash has made black market stronger. but these are only my opinion.

[Centarfor9]

From what I've heard there is an fairly sized problem with Albanian organized crime in Southern Europe.
Where did you hear this?

[GentiaNi]

From what I've heard there is an fairly sized problem with Albanian organized crime in Southern Europe. I don't think that the damage they cause is even close to what the Italian, Russian, Romanian, and Ukrainian gangs cause. But I think the most damage those Albanian gangs cause is in Greece and Albania. Greece because Greece doesn't have a history of Organized crime (with exception of the Klepftis). Albania because of the economy crash has made black market stronger. but these are only my opinion.

Its easy to claim and lie, where are your facts and thier possibily claims too, from what i see some racist scums here anti-albanians, including that ulster racist scum, who even insult our FLAG !! he need a ban for that,
ulster Fck off you racist scum !!!
the only guy who seem to be fair here is Stacetimojime, he him self, got suprised when racists came here and claim albanian mafia, etc..

poutis if u dont have anything real to say, dont say ur lie opinion thanks..

[GentiaNi]

There is no real "Albanian Mafia"

there are small albanian criminals, just like other criminals of other countries.. but no Organized Crimes in Albania.. no one fears of Albanian small criminals, you guys should fear Italian and Russian mafia who are runing whole europe..

if you see web pages or anything like, who had to do with "albanian mafia" you have to believe that this is a claim from anti-Albanians, , who use to make such propagandas and lies.. Ulster must be victim of these jerks, since he believe on their propagandas..

[poutismalakas]

Its easy to claim and lie, where are your facts and thier possibily claims too, from what i see some racist scums here anti-albanians, including that ulster racist scum, who even insult our FLAG !! he need a ban for that,
ulster Fck off you racist scum !!!
the only guy who seem to be fair here is Stacetimojime, he him self, got suprised when racists came here and claim albanian mafia, etc..

poutis if u dont have anything real to say, dont say ur lie opinion thanks..

My post wasn't ment to provoke!!!! All I said is that there is an Organized crime presense in Greece and Albania which happens to be Albanian. I didn't SAY ALL Albanians in Greece are part of those gangs!!! I'm not lying I've been told this by my friend and family. I didn't want my comments to be taken as being generalizing of Albanians I just said that there is an criminal presense which is not damaging as other more established gangs. ALL NATIONS HAVE CRIMINALS AN HONEST PEOPLE!!!

I found this.
The Albanian Mafia or Albanian Organized Crime (OC) are the general terms used for various criminal organizations based in Albania or comprised of ethnic-Albanians. Albanian criminals are significantly active in the United States and the European Union (EU) countries, participating in a diverse range of criminal enterprises from human trafficking and prostitution to narcotics. Although the term "mafia" is often used as a description, it does not imply that all Albanian criminal activities are coordinated or regulated by an overarching governing body headquartered in Albania proper, Kosovo or elsewhere. Despite media reports that oftentimes have the effect of suggesting an emerging global Albanian mafia "movement" or network, this interpretation has not been substantiated.

[GentiaNi]

My post wasn't ment to provoke!!!! All I said is that there is an Organized crime presense in Greece and Albania which happens to be Albanian. I didn't SAY ALL Albanians in Greece are part of those gangs!!! I'm not lying I've been told this by my friend and family. I didn't want my comments to be taken as being generalizing of Albanians I just said that there is an criminal presense which is not damaging as other more established gangs. ALL NATIONS HAVE CRIMINALS AN HONEST PEOPLE!!!

I found this.
The Albanian Mafia or Albanian Organized Crime (OC) are the general terms used for various criminal organizations based in Albania or comprised of ethnic-Albanians. Albanian criminals are significantly active in the United States and the European Union (EU) countries, participating in a diverse range of criminal enterprises from human trafficking and prostitution to narcotics. Although the term "mafia" is often used as a description, it does not imply that all Albanian criminal activities are coordinated or regulated by an overarching governing body headquartered in Albania proper, Kosovo or elsewhere. Despite media reports that oftentimes have the effect of suggesting an emerging global Albanian mafia "movement" or network, this interpretation has not been substantiated.

I dont know about Greece ! But in Albania there is no organized Crimes, there are criminals as i said but no organized criminals.. The organized crimes in Greece, you dont have to claim them Albanian, your friends and ur family must not have been honest to you, so i suggest you, when u dont have seen these gangs with ur own eyes dont believe it what others say to you !

I have also been told by my friends and many others that there are Greek Organized Crimes in Albania especially in the southern...! :rolleyes: thats why u dont have to believe everything..

What you found is 70% Claim and propaganda then reality, tell me when did Albanians ever known as europes dangerous mafia ?? Albanians small criminals can only dream about beeing such mafia of europe one day, since there are real organized crimes like the bigger Russian Mafia, Italian and Serbian Mafia who are runing whole europe..

And if we have real organized crimes and Real Mafia in Balcans then they are the Serbians, look serbian activities..

The Serbian Mafia or Serbian Organized Crime (OC) are the general terms used for various criminal organizations based in Serbia, Balcans or comprised of ethnic-Serbs. Serbian criminals are active in the European Union (EU) countries. The Serbian Mafia is primarily interested in smuggling and contract killing/bodyguarding.

Eu countries were serbian mafia run
Contents [hide]
1 In Sweden
2 In Serbia
2.1 Murdercases
3 In Germany
4 In Austria
5 In Netherlands


Ratko Djokic: "Godfather", Arms dealer, cigarettes, murdered May 5, 2003 with 30 bullets by hired serbian torpedoes.
Dragan Joksovic: Big gambler, cigarettes, murdered February 4, 1998 by a 20-year old torpedo hired by Zeljko Raznatovic Arkan.
Milan Sevo: Declared "Head of Serbian mafia", survived many murderattempts, escaped from prison.

In Serbia

Murder cases connected to the Serbian Mafia.

Arkan: Is killed.
The murder of Zoran Đinđić: Zoran had made many enemies for his pro-Western stance, for reformist economic policies, for arresting Milošević, for relinquishing him to ICTY, and for clamping down on organized crime. The murder was allegedly organised by Milorad Ulemek, also known as Legija. Legija is an ex-Commander of the special police unit founded by Milosevic's secret service during nineties, who ordered Zvezdan Jovanović to carry out the assassination. Legija was connected to the powerful Zemun clan of the Serbian mafia who had attempted murder of Zoran but failed.
The deputy chief of the State Intelligence Service in Belgrade Momir Gavrilovic, was killed by Surcin group after delivering evidence of collusion between the Serbian mafia and the Serbian state.
11 April, 1999. Slavko Curuvija, a journalist is killed in front of his appartment in Belgrade, he criticised president Slobodan Milosevic which is the main lead. He was the director of the newspaper Dnevni Telegraf.
Zoran Sijan: The boss of Surcin group, is killed 27 November 1999.
27 October, 1998. Jovica Stanisic is killed.
30 June, 1998. Darko Asanin is killed in his bar Koloseum, his uncle is Pavle Bulatovic the late defence minister.
In 1998, Jusuf "Jusa" Bulic, one of Arkan's closer men is killed.
24 October 1997. Zoran Todorovic Kundak (38) is killed.
10 April, 1997. Policechief 'Radovan Stojicic Badza is killed in pizzeria Mama Mia, Belgrade.

Quotes
"They have been into wars for a long time now, that makes it easier for them to shoot people" - Dutch Police

"Every young man in Serbia dreams of becoming a member of a gang for five minutes in his life." - Kristijan Golubovic

"Mortals (that is, ordinary people) will not experience in their entire life what one of us experiences in one day." - Kristijan Golubovic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_mafia

[ARBANITAI]

Albania doesnt have a history of organized crimes !
there are small corruption in some part of Albania, this is the main reason, why we havnt join european union yet, but the goverment is working on that and it will soon be fixed.. allthough such an "Albanian Mafia" to run europe and usa is a trully joke:D

Albania is not a big country to own a such big mafia,
allthough Albania have a great relation with usa, and so with european union, that means an "albanian mafia" doesn exist, or the european union or Usa would have figured it out earlier and warn Albania or made it public!!

That means that such thing doesnt exist, unfortunatly we have alot anti-albanians who use their time on writing such untrue things and propagandas about Albanians, but they cant do anything more with it then stupidy and non sense propagandas..

[PAO_HELLAS]

From what I've heard there is an fairly sized problem with Albanian organized crime in Southern Europe. I don't think that the damage they cause is even close to what the Italian, Russian, Romanian, and Ukrainian gangs cause. But I think the most damage those Albanian gangs cause is in Greece and Albania. Greece because Greece doesn't have a history of Organized crime (with exception of the Klepftis). Albania because of the economy crash has made black market stronger. but these are only my opinion.

Undoubtedley, crime was dramatically increased in Greece after the start of this mass immigration to Greece which started about 14-15 years ago.

I agree with you that the arrival of the immigrants increased crime, but we can't charge all to Albanians. Athens and now probably Thessaloniki are full of Romanian, Bulgarian, Russian etc. gangsters not just Albanians.

I have to say that Pakistanis/Indians are the ones who never caused trouble. Till now at least.

[ulster21]

The colour of Albania flag is red and black, The background is red, and eagle is black, just like a normal eagle colour is usually black/brown..
What ur are trying to say is red and Black is a satan colour, and then claim we are satans, first because it is not true, mother teresa is not the only one, Skenderbeg was a warrior who defend europe and christianty from turks, if you didnt know u have to read then, and many other albanians...second because colour flag doesnt make u satan, Germany´s flag is also Red-Black and yellow does that make them satan too, or Spanish flag which is red and yellow does that make them satan!!!

He must have not done a good job, since 75% of Albania is Muslim. Why would a christian who fought muslims be a hero to a muslim like yourself..... doesn't make sense.

[GentiaNi]

He must have not done a good job, since 75% of Albania is Muslim. Why would a christian who fought muslims be a hero to a muslim like yourself..... doesn't make sense.

HE did not fought against muslims but against Turks who occupayed Albania, he did fight against Serbs too.. His war was not against islam but against those who occupayed his native Country Albania.. no matter what they were.

Muslim Albanians are not turks, but Albanians, and that has nothing to bother anyone, Albanians are one of europes first nation, and much more older then ur English ass, we date back to 3000 BC as Illyrians, the reality that most of Albanians convert to muslim doesnt mean we are still not Illyrians..!!!
I my self is a Catholic christian though...

[ulster21]

HE did not fought against muslims but against Turks who occupayed Albania, he did fight against Serbs too.. His war was not against islam but against those who occupayed his native Country Albania.. no matter what they were.

OK, makes sense.

Muslim Albanians are not turks, but Albanians, and that has nothing to bother anyone, Albanians are one of europes first nation, and much more older then ur English ass, we date back to 3000 BC as Illyrians, the reality that most of Albanians convert to muslim doesnt mean we are still not Illyrians..!!!
I my self is a Catholic christian though...

Here we go, the great Albanian empire I am hearing so much about........ Let's face facts, when has Albania not been a third world country? It has been controlled & dominated throughout its history so do not act like Albania has a great past like Italy or Greece.

[PAO_HELLAS]

Here we go, the great Albanian empire I am hearing so much about........ Let's face facts, when has Albania not been a third world country? It has been controlled & dominated throughout its history so do not act like Albania has a great past like Italy or Greece.

Didn't you heard the other thing? Some of them claim Alexander the Great to be Albanian :lol: . There is a thread about this, go and have a look if you want to have some fun.

[GentiaNi]

OK, makes sense.
Here we go, the great Albanian empire I am hearing so much about........ Let's face facts, when has Albania not been a third world country? It has been controlled & dominated throughout its history so do not act like Albania has a great past like Italy or Greece.

Are you really dumb or what !!! or u have no idea about history, go fck off man and read some history because ur exactly a brainwashed..
What planet do you come from ? or maybe ur a blind nationalist or watever..

Here is about the ancient Illyria..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyria
www.illyrians.org

[GentiaNi]

Didn't you heard the other thing? Some of them claim Alexander the Great to be Albanian :lol: . There is a thread about this, go and have a look if you want to have some fun.

Alexander the great´s mom was Illyrian, and you cant do anything about it, watever you say pao but it is fact !!!

I recomend u read here too:www.illyrians.org

and stop flamewar plz:mad2:

no such insultings..

[ulster21]

Are you really dumb or what !!! or u have no idea about history, go fck off man and read some history because ur exactly a brainwashed..
What planet do you come from ? or maybe ur a blind nationalist or watever..

Here is about the ancient Illyria..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyria
www.illyrians.org

So what, "Illyrians" have been around for a while, doesn't mean they have a glorious past, they were controlled by the romans, ottomans, & communists.

[ARBANITAI]

OK, makes sense.
Here we go, the great Albanian empire I am hearing so much about........ Let's face facts, when has Albania not been a third world country? It has been controlled & dominated throughout its history so do not act like Albania has a great past like Italy or Greece.


Ulster you have to keep ur calm if you want to talk here, and no provoking on ppls religion, culture or nationality, or else you will get a warn and possibily a ban too! take this as ur first warning !

About History, I will suggest you dont run ur mouth when u have no ide about that u say: you have to read, and face the facts, because u want it now read about it:

more links u can read about:
History of Albania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Albania
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_albaniaancient.htm

[PAO_HELLAS]

pao dont start a flame war, and plz stop licking that ulster prick ass!!!

Alexander the great´s mom was Illyrian, and you cant do anything about it, watever you say pao but it is fact !!!

I recomend u read here too:www.illyrians.org

and stop flamewar plz:mad2:

You are the one insulting now, I did not use this kind of words. Hecuran I am afraid you must increase his warning.

A few Albanian nationalist web-sites can't make a difference. The educated world knows who Alexander was.

[PAO_HELLAS]

Hecuran stop the hypocrisies please. You are ignoring Gentiani's personal insultive ultra-provocative post and you are trying to threaten ulster becuase he says things you don't like without using insultive words.

[ARBANITAI]

So what, "Illyrians" have been around for a while, doesn't mean they have a glorious past, they were controlled by the romans, ottomans, & communists.

No Illyrians had their big empire and dynasti, they ruled the whole wester balcans, and were one of the biggest empire that time I guess you havnt heard of Illyrian-Roman wars..

Illyrian wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_Wars

Illyrian Emperors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_Emperor

Illyrian used to fight off the Roman for centuries, but it was also once a time where Roman occupayed them as well as they occupayed Thracians and Greeks too.. In the end Illyrians won the war..

[ARBANITAI]

Hecuran stop the hypocrisies please. You are ignoring Gentiani's personal insultive ultra-provocative post and you are trying to threaten ulster becuase he says things you don't like without using insultive words.

Pao Hellas what is your point, im not a beeing a hypocrite but im afrad you will be the one, Im not ignoring gentianis post, but he didnt said anything provocative yet, if he does i will warn him too, Im afraid of ulsters posts because he use to start such flamewars, i know this guy long time ago, and yesterday he was up with another insult to our flag and culture, so i had to make him sure, he doesnt repeat this today too, or else iam going to warn him, the same goes to gentiani if he insults !!

[ulster21]

No Illyrians had their big empire and dynasti, they ruled the whole wester balcans, and were one of the biggest empire that time I guess you havnt heard of Illyrian-Roman wars..

Illyrian wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_Wars

Illyrian Emperors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_Emperor

Illyrian used to fight off the Roman for centuries, but it was also once a time where Roman occupayed them as well as they occupayed Thracians and Greeks too.. In the end Illyrians won the war..

Hecuran: If Albania is such a great country, then why are you living in Denmark?

[ulster21]

Pao Hellas what is your point, im not a beeing a hypocrite but im afrad you will be the one, Im not ignoring gentianis post, but he didnt said anything provocative yet, if he does i will warn him too, Im afraid of ulsters posts because he use to start such flamewars, i know this guy long time ago, and yesterday he was up with another insult to our flag and culture, so i had to make him sure, he doesnt repeat this today too, or else iam going to warn him, the same goes to gentiani if he insults !!

Untrue, I was simply asking an honest question about the colors of the Albanian flag & the Western depiction of Satan.

[poutismalakas]

You are the one insulting now, I did not use this kind of words. Hecuran I am afraid you must increase his warning.

A few Albanian nationalist web-sites can't make a difference. The educated world knows who Alexander was.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epirus

Early settlement
Epirus has been occupied since Neolithic times, when hunters and shepherds inhabited the region and constructed large tumuli to bury their leaders. The tumuli had many similar characteristics to those later used by the Myceneans, suggesting a possible ancestral link between Epirus and the Mycenean civilisation. Certainly, Mycenean remains have been found at two ancient religious sites in the region, the Necromanteion (Oracle of the Dead) on the Acheron river, and the Oracle of Zeus at Dodona.
The Dorians invaded Greece via Epirus and Macedonia at the end of the 2nd millennium BC (circa 1100 BC-1000 BC), though the reasons for their migration are obscure. The region's original inhabitants were driven southward into the Greek mainland by the invasion and by the early 1st millennium BC three principal clusters of Greek-speaking tribes had emerged in Epirus. These were the Chaones of northwestern Epirus, the Molossians in the centre and the Thesprotians in the middle.
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Epirus and ancient Greece
Remains of the sanctuary of Zeus Dodonaios in DodonaUnlike most other Greeks of the time, who lived in or around city-states such as Athens or Sparta, the Epirotes lived in small villages. Their region lay on the edge of the Greek world and was far from peaceful; for many centuries, it remained a frontier area contested with the Illyrian peoples of the Adriatic coast and interior. However, Epirus had a far greater religious significance than might have been expected given its geographical remoteness, due to the presence of the shrine and oracle at Dodona - regarded as second only to the more famous oracle at Delphi.

The Epirotes seem to have initially been regarded with some disdain by the Greeks of the south. The 5th century BC historian Thucydides describes them as "barbarians" and the only Epirotes regarded as truly Greek were the Aeacidae, who claimed to be descended from Neoptolemus, son of Achilles. Plutarch mentions an interesting cultural element of the Epirotes regarding Achilles. In his biography of king Pyrrhus, he claims that Achilles "had a divine status in Epirus and in the local dialect he was called Aspetos"[1]. The Aeacidae established the Molossian dynasty, who built a state in Epirus from about 370 BC onwards, expanding their power at the expense of rival tribes. The Molossians allied themselves with the increasingly powerful kingdom of Macedon and in 359 BC the Molossian princess Olympias, niece of Arybbas of Epirus, married King Philip II of Macedon. She was to become the mother of Alexander the Great.
On the death of Arybbas, Alexander of Epirus succeeded to the throne and the title King of Epirus. Aeacides of Epirus, who succeeded Alexander, espoused the cause of Olympias against Cassander, but was dethroned in 313 BC. His son Pyrrhus came to throne in 295 BC, and for six years fought against the Romans in southern Italy and Sicily. His campaigns gave Epirus a new, but brief, importance and a lasting contribution to the language with the concept of a "Pyrrhic victory".

In the 3rd century BC Epirus remained a substantial power, unified under the auspices of the Epirote League as a federal state with its own parliament (or synedrion). However, it was faced with the growing threat of the expansionist Roman Republic, which fought a series of wars with Macedonia. The League remained neutral in the first two Macedonian Wars but split in the Third Macedonian War (171 BC-168 BC), with the Molossians siding with the Macedonians and the Chaones and Thesproti siding with Rome. The outcome was disastrous for Epirus; Molossia fell to Rome in 167 BC, 150,000 of its inhabitants were enslaved and the region was so thoroughly plundered that it took 500 years for central Epirus to recover fully.

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[PAO_HELLAS]

Pao Hellas what is your point, im not a beeing a hypocrite but im afrad you will be the one, Im not ignoring gentianis post, but he didnt said anything provocative yet, if he does i will warn him too, Im afraid of ulsters posts because he use to start such flamewars, i know this guy long time ago, and yesterday he was up with another insult to our flag and culture, so i had to make him sure, he doesnt repeat this today too, or else iam going to warn him, the same goes to gentiani if he insults !!

pao dont start a flame war, and plz stop licking that ulster prick ass!!!

If this is not a personal provocation, worse than "***k you", then you are probably out of place.

Sad to say it but you are unfair and you warn only the anti-Albanian posts :sad: . I was suggesting you to become a mod once, do you remember this? But this is not kind of behaviour.

[ARBANITAI]

Hecuran: If Albania is such a great country, then why are you living in Denmark?

Albania is a great country with rich history.. that is what you have to know before you say something like "it is not" so here u go facts !

according to ur question why i live in Denmark ? this has nothing to do on, if Albania is a great country or not ?!?
allthough since you ask me i will tell you, My dad is a bussinesman also back in Albania, after a few years he made a contract with a danish business Company, probably because he wants to earn more money, and that is normally, but he need to left here too, for the job, so because of my dad the whole family moved to Denmark, now its been 5 years since i and my family lives here..:)

[philipas]

GentiaNi made an insulting remark. That's not acceptable. Be fair, warn him and edit it Hecuran. :mad2:

[PAO_HELLAS]

Yes, otherwise I am not going to let it pass like this. I don't know these kind of insults mean in your culture, but in mine they are not acceptable, especially when we don't face each other.

[ARBANITAI]

pao dont start a flame war, and plz stop licking that ulster prick ass!!!

If this is not a personal provocation, worse than "***k you", then you are probably out of place.

Sad to say it but you are unfair and you warn only the anti-Albanian posts :sad: . I was suggesting you to become a mod once, do you remember this? But this is not kind of behaviour.

That is a kind of insulting, and i agree i gotta talk about Gentiani about that, as he cannot insult like that, but that goes also to all other guys no matter what nationality they have..

Pao Hellas what ur saying about me, is unfortantly not true, to be honest i have never ever ban a guy before, and allmost not even warn an non-Albanian
so i dont do these differents, the reason why i have to deal more with non-albanians is because its them who usually insult, but i gurantee if an albanian do the same, i dont bother to ban him too !!

[ARBANITAI]

Yes, otherwise I am not going to let it pass like this. I don't know these kind of insults mean in your culture, but in mine they are not acceptable, especially when we don't face each other.

That is not acceptable by anyone, and I just pm´d gentiani..let him know as his last warning...

BTW such insults we face from panathinakos too sometimes, and i have told him many times to stop and calm down, yet i havnt warned him, because im not that type of guy, who just warn ppl, allthough i beg him to stop with insulting, but if he cross the lines, then i got no chances then warn him..
although i dont like it, as i used to tolerate alot..:sad:

[GentiaNi]

I would not say anything to him, if he would not support ulster, we know he used to insult here alot..

Although, Hecuran I never used to insult anyone before, you can check out my post if u doubt..but that ulster is not a fair guy, yesterday he used to insult our flag and culture.... !!!

[poutismalakas]

That is not acceptable by anyone, and I just pm´d gentiani..let him know as his last warning...

BTW such insults we face from panathinakos too sometimes, and i have told him many times to stop and calm down, yet i havnt warned him, because im not that type of guy, who just warn ppl, allthough i beg him to stop with insulting, but if he cross the lines, then i got no chances then warn him..
although i dont like it, as i used to tolerate alot..:sad:

I totally agree people need to control their emotions and stop the insults!!! I've talk with many a user, pana included that they need to show restraint when posting. No need to insult people when you can get you point across in civil manner, but some people can't do that so they use insults. And for people like that we need to educated them!!!!

[ulster21]

I would not say anything to him, if he would not support ulster, we know he used to insult here alot..

Although, Hecuran I never used to insult anyone before, you can check out my post if u doubt..but that ulster is not a fair guy, yesterday he used to insult our flag and culture.... !!!

Not true at all.......... as I said in post #104 - "Untrue, I was simply asking an honest question about the colors of the Albanian flag & the Western depiction of Satan."
....................OWNED :hat:

[ARBANITAI]

Not true at all.......... as I said in post #104 - "Untrue, I was simply asking an honest question about the colors of the Albanian flag & the Western depiction of Satan."
....................OWNED :hat:


yay OK forget it now.. But remember such coments can easily missunderstood as an insult, because not everyone knows what ur real meening is about that.. !

[PAO_HELLAS]

I would not say anything to him, if he would not support ulster, we know he used to insult here alot..

Although, Hecuran I never used to insult anyone before, you can check out my post if u doubt..but that ulster is not a fair guy, yesterday he used to insult our flag and culture.... !!!

I did not broke any of the forum rules insulting you, but you did. Anyway I am forgeting it now, as I understand how you feel after being called representative of satan, but if you do it again we are going to have serious problems.

[GentiaNi]

I did not broke any of the forum rules insulting you, but you did. Anyway I am forgeting it now, as I understand how you feel after being called representative of satan, but if you do it again we are going to have serious problems.

dude if you want troubles come in NYC, not in the forums ;)

[PAO_HELLAS]

Wow, what a bravery. You are the one who always seeks trouble, I don't need to go to NY I am quite busy here.

[GentiaNi]

Wow, what a bravery. You are the one who always seeks trouble, I don't need to go to NY I am quite busy here.

hehe dude your takin it serious :D

[PAO_HELLAS]

OK... your sig calmed me a bit :D.

[ARBANITAI]

OK... your sig calmed me a bit :D.

Yeah i know, its really hot, u guys keep it quit, the girl is mine :D

[GentiaNi]

Yeah i know, its really hot, u guys keep it quit, the girl is mine :D

yah ***k you man :D ... this chick is not urs, its MINE :evil:

[GentiaNi]

yah ***k you man :D ... this chick is not urs, its MINE :evil:

Damn man, she really can shake that !!:D

[ARBANITAI]

Yeap she do:p

Wait a sec, wasnt she in the match "Bostice-Krasniq"i ?

[GentiaNi]

OK, makes sense.
Here we go, the great Albanian empire I am hearing so much about........ Let's face facts, when has Albania not been a third world country? It has been controlled & dominated throughout its history so do not act like Albania has a great past like Italy or Greece.

Albanians in ancient time had a great empire, they ruled the whole western balcan peninsula and even in the 15th century Albanains triumphed with Skenderbeg, So Albanians were never controlled and dominated by others for allways, in fact we dominate alot back in ancient time kinda 2000-2500 BC, Albanians won the first war against roman and had colonies in italy such illyrian tribes in modern calabria and eastern italy were founded by Albanians..
So you must not talk when u dont know, in fact i´d never heard of ancient English, you were probably indo Norman ppl..

Here is the Map of ancient Europe nations..
here is the link of the site too http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bestofsicily.com/peoples.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.bestofsicily.com/genetics.htm&h=217&w=376&sz=28&hl=da&start=29&tbnid=gZVe6m4vEvugqM:&tbnh=70&tbnw=122&prev=/images%3Fq%3DEthnic%2BAlbania%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dda%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

http://www.bestofsicily.com/peoples.gif

"Rroft Albania"

[PAO_HELLAS]

This map confuses historical periods, geographical areas and peoples I am afraid. They are a lot of better maps to show the ancient Illyrian land, why did you chose this?

[GentiaNi]

Yea there are sure other Illyrian maps too, but this what i choose, is not only Illyrian map is the whole europe nations in the ancient time, as you see the Byzantines, Romans, Albanians, Greeks etc, it´is probably the first inhabittans of this part of the world (europe)

here is an only Illyrian map! perhaps you meant this ?

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/360/illyriays9.th.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=illyriays9.jpg)

or perhaps this one, another illyrian map
http://indoeuro.bizland.com/tree/balk/balkan1.gif

[PAO_HELLAS]

Yea there are sure other Illyrian maps too, but this what i choose, is not only Illyrian map is the whole europe nations in the ancient time, as you see the Byzantines, Romans, Albanians, Greeks etc, it´is probably the first inhabittans of this part of the world (europe)


This map is a bit confused.

-The Saracens originated from Sina peniscula, not from present day Lybia/Tunisia.

-The Longobards, Swabians, Angevins and Normans appeared much more later than the other peoples mentioned in the map, they can't be considered "ancient".

-Who are the Byzantines? There were not such peoples/race. The Byzantine empire was multi-ethnic. It was inhabited by Greeks in Hellas and Asia Minor, Illyrians, Slavs and Dacian/Thracian origin peoples in the North Balkans, and Greeks mixed with Semites in Levant.

[GentiaNi]

This is an ancient Illyrian Helmet, found in the north east city of Albania Shkodra (Scutari) Once was the Capital city of whole Illyria under King Agrons empire..

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7087/whlmtgz9.th.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whlmtgz9.jpg)

http://www.ncl.ac.uk/shefton-museum/images/helmet2.jpg

http://www.dogonart.com/Auction/ItemImgs/x0535a.jpg

Illyrian bronx helmet]

[GentiaNi]

This map is a bit confused.

-The Saracens originated from Sina peniscula, not from present day Lybia/Tunisia.

-The Longobards, Swabians, Angevins and Normans appeared much more later than the other peoples mentioned in the map, they can't be considered "ancient".

-Who are the Byzantines? There were not such peoples/race. The Byzantine empire was multi-ethnic. It was inhabited by Greeks in Hellas and Asia Minor, Illyrians, Slavs and Dacian/Thracian origin peoples in the North Balkans, and Greeks mixed with Semites in Levant.

I took the map from this website http://www.bestofsicily.com/
its nothing to be confused, at least the Romans are located where they use too, and so do Albanians (illyrians) they are located in the western balcan peninsula, which is fact, same do the greeks in the most southern part of balcans..

[PAO_HELLAS]

lol

[GentiaNi]

Yeap she do:p

Wait a sec, wasnt she in the match "Bostice-Krasniq"i ?

:D yes she was.. How do you know that ?? :rolleyes:

[Panathinaikos2]

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/360/illyriays9.th.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=illyriays9.jpg)

or perhaps this one, another illyrian map
http://indoeuro.bizland.com/tree/balk/balkan1.gifThe first map is some Albanian nationalist map while the second map is a false map since they made it as if Macedonia was seperate from the Greeks.

[PAO_HELLAS]

The first map is some Albanian nationalist map while the second map is a false map since they made it as if Macedonia was seperate from the Greeks.

It is from a site of supporters of the "Indo-European culture" theories: http://indoeuro.bizland.com :D.

[Panathinaikos2]

It is from a site of supporters of the "Indo-European culture" theories: http://indoeuro.bizland.com :D.I figured these maps would come from some bias romantic nationalist websites :D

[Sandro1]

The first map is some Albanian nationalist map while the second map is a false map since they made it as if Macedonia was seperate from the Greeks.

Albanian nationalist map ??? oh yeah you cant say anything else about it, unless just saying it was made by albanians? proove me that it is??

Why are you guys even blame here, i guess just to ingore huh ?

As well as we know Macedonia and Greece were 2 different nation, thats what we see in allmost all the ancient balcan maps though...

[PAO_HELLAS]

This is the Hellenic world in 450 BC, and this is not made by Balkan nationalists, I found it on the University of Texas website. As you see Macedonia and Epirus are normal parts of Hellas.

http://www.utexas.edu/courses/greek606q/gk606qimages/gkimages1/greecemap9907190515.jpg

By the way I predict this thread to get 100 posts the next couple of days :D Better here as it is an away from soccer thread, just try to keep it polite.

[Panathinaikos2]

As well as we know Macedonia and Greece were 2 different nation, thats what we see in allmost all the ancient balcan maps though...Ancient Greece was never a united nation :lol: Ancient Greece was made up of many different Greek tribes and kingdoms such as the Macedonians, Athenians, Thebens, Spartans, etc. You should study more into the subject before you make anymore claims.

[PAO_HELLAS]

Here is another map after the Persians conquered most of Asia Minor. Macedonia and Epirus still Hellas :D.

http://www.goddess-athena.org/Atlas/Greek/Greek.gif

A map from an American educational website, which shows the Greek areas after the colonization. Even if barbaric tribes have a part of Northern Greece, Epirus and the basic area of Macedonia still Hellenic :).

http://www.willamette.edu/~sbasu/poli213/Plato1_files/image006.gif

These maps are American, not Greek as you see.

[Panathinaikos2]

You can not say that one Illirian map that you posted is not some nationalist map since it presents Aetolia and Acarnania which are in the heart of Greece :lol:

[Sandro1]

SURE SURE WhatEver you say my greek friendz..:lol:

have fun..:D

[Panathinaikos2]

SURE SURE WhatEver you say my greek friendz..:lol:

have fun..:DIs that the best you got? Listen if you are going to make claims of Greek land with you stupid nationalist map at least back up your statement or elce don't make these false claims.

[PAO_HELLAS]

Sure my friend, the conversation is over as you have no evidence not made by Balkan nationalists. Macedonia and Epirus were, are and will always be Hellas, history knows that.

Have fun too :).

[PAO_HELLAS]

Don't provoke him Vagelis, the conversation is over.

[Panathinaikos2]

I didn't really provoke him but oh well :)

[Sandro1]

Is that the best you got? Listen if you are going to make claims of Greek land with you stupid nationalist map at least back up your statement or elce don't make these false claims.

no I enjoy laughin at you guys coments... :lol:

first your claiming, I still havnt got any facts or proofs from you that the map was maded by "Albanians" ?? :rolleyes:

proov me that !

No Albanians were involved in stating that map, I my self have no idea who state this map ? that map is probably maded by any famous historians in times..

But again You got to proov me that the map was of Albanians !!??

[Panathinaikos2]

no I enjoy laughin at you guys coments... :lol:

first your claiming, I still havnt got any facts or proofs from you that the map was maded by "Albanians" ?? :rolleyes:

proov me that !Does it matter now who made the map now :lol: ? The fact is the map is false since it presents Aetolia and Acarnania which are in the heart of Greece :D By the way I enjoy laughing at your comments too :lol:

[Sandro1]

I didn't really provoke him but oh well :)
´
just keep it calm right :rolleyes:

only ignorants who doesnt have anything to say start with provokings ;)

[Panathinaikos2]

No Albanians were involved in stating that map, I my self have no idea who state this map ? that map is probably maded by any famous historians in times..If you have no idea who made this then how do you know no Albanians were involved in stating this map :lol: ?

[Sandro1]

Does it matter now who made the map now :lol: ? The fact is the map is false since it presents Aetolia and Acarnania which are in the heart of Greece :D By the way I enjoy laughing at your comments too :lol:

No it matters very much actually.. but that shows u have no idea about it, and the map is not of Albanians, or else u would have proov me that earlier, since you dont belive the map, you have to proov it too with facts right ???

[Panathinaikos2]

´
just keep it calm right :rolleyes:

only ignorants who doesnt have anything to say start with provokings ;)Of course :rolleyes:

[Panathinaikos2]

No it matters very much actually.. but that shows u have no idea about it, and the map is not of Albanians, or else u would have proov me that earlier, since you dont belive the map, you have to proov it too with facts right ???The fact that the map is false matters though :lol: So even if it wasn't made by Albanians it wouldn't matter since the map isn't right. Besides how do you know it wasn't made by Albanians ;) ?

[Panathinaikos2]

editted....

[Sandro1]

If you have no idea who made this then how do you know no Albanians were involved in stating this map :lol: ?

I know because i dont see that, anything to have with Albanians at all,
no Albanian name or anything else, at least i would have seen this map on a Albanian site showing the idea and the Albanian autor of it and his base..
but i never seen that map to do anything with Albanians before, all other statments that were maded by Albanians, there you will allways find them on Albanian websites, telling about it, and the idea of it etc... but such illyrian map i have never seen yet and never heard to be of Albanian, everyone said that the map was maded by some famous historians who knew very good the illyrian geography..

still its up to you to proov me that the map was of Albanians ???

[Panathinaikos2]

Did you not read what I just posted? Who gives a shit who made it? The map is wrong since it presents Aetolia and Acarnania which are in the heart of Greece :rolleyes: So if someone made a wrong map on Illiria but he happens not to be Albanian that automaticly means the map is believable then :rolleyes: ?

[Sandro1]

The fact that the map is false matters though :lol: So even if it wasn't made by Albanians it wouldn't matter since the map isn't right. Besides how do you know it wasn't made by Albanians ;) ?

it shows very clear that you absolutely knew nothing about the map either and you just keep calling it of Albanians and that a claim !!!

Now you call it "false" well are you kidding or what ??? you absolutely dont make sense, you call something how you like to call, you got to be a little bit more serious when you got involved in this discussion, you cannot change and say ur mind whenever you want just because you dont have to add anything there...

All in the end you prooved me only one thing and that is, your not worth talkin to when it is to history and stuff like that, you just doesnt stand in any facts or something you say ur mind whenever u want and ur not serious, which shows you claim a lot too, and not say you lie as well, all if it is needed too you dont really care...

Get a life man, I see how wrong i was spending my time arguin with you ????:rolleyes:

[Panathinaikos2]

How is it not false :lol: ? Like I said this map presents Aetolia and Acarnania which are in the heart of Greece :lol:

[PAO_HELLAS]

Hey guys, calm down. Sandro posted a map which he didn't knew where it was from and I posted 3 maps made by American universities or organisations. You don't need to argue more.

[Sandro1]

Did you not read what I just posted? Who gives a shit who made it? The map is wrong since it presents Aetolia and Acarnania which are in the heart of Greece :rolleyes: So if someone made a wrong map on Illiria but he happens not to be Albanian that automaticly means the map is believable then :rolleyes: ?

Yes i read you "claims" i know who i am talkin to from now one, a person who knew not much, but claim alot.. first you said very confidently that it was "albanian" probably you thought you "got me" but later you found out you were wrong.. now when you dont have anything more to say about it, you change it to "who cares" which means you still is not enough intellegent to keep it calm :boo:

[Panathinaikos2]

I don't know why I should calm down. I haven't said anything offensive or anything to Sandro :rolleyes:

[Centarfor9]

Yo guys do I need to send International Peace keeping forces (aka UN) here.


@Pana What does ΠΡΟΣΚΥΝΗΜΕΝΟΥΣ mean?

[Panathinaikos2]

Yes i read you "claims" i know who i am talkin to from now one, a person who knew not much, but claim alot.. first you said very confidently that it was "albanian" probably you thought you "got me" but later you found out you were wrong.. now when you dont have anything more to say about it, you change it to "who cares" which means you still is not enough intellegent to keep it calm :boo:Ok lets say it was German or english.... It still wouldn't matter anyways since the map is highly false. The map presents Aetolia and Acarnania as Illirian territory when in fact those areas are in the heart of Greece. I don't know about you but I wouldn't give a shit who made it if the map is wrong.

[Centarfor9]

Ok lets say it was German or english.... It still wouldn't matter anyways since the map is highly false. The map presents Aetolia and Acarnania as Illirian territory when in fact those areas are in the heart of Greece. I don't know about you but I wouldn't give a shit who made it if the map is wrong.
Are you still talikng about this map that Sandro posted long time ago?
I saw that one before and you can find it in Texas University's database.

Does this one say the same thing?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sv/e/ed/Illyricum.jpg

[Panathinaikos2]

Yo guys do I need to send International Peace keeping forces (aka UN) here.


@Pana What does ΠΡΟΣΚΥΝΗΜΕΝΟΥΣ mean?
ΦΩΤΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΣΕΚΟΥΡΙ ΣΤΟΥΣ ΠΡΟΣΚΥΝΗΜΕΝΟΥΣ means fire and axes to the ones that betrayed us and are bowing to the enemy.

[PAO_HELLAS]

In this case, it metaphorically means the ones who betrayed us, the ones who are serving the enemy (bowed ones).

OK, already defined, did not saw the previous post.

[PAO_HELLAS]

Does this one say the same thing?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sv/e/ed/Illyricum.jpg

This map shows the Illyricum as it was, the Souther they reached was Apollonia . Sandro posted another map to claim more land.

[Panathinaikos2]

edit....

[Panathinaikos2]

edit....

[Centarfor9]

In this case, it metaphorically means the ones who betrayed us, the ones who are serving the enemy (bowed ones).

OK, already defined, did not saw the previous post.
is that an ancient greek saying?

Here I found one
http://forumancientcoins.com/Articles/Maps/images/Map_Ancient_Vindelicia_and_Illyricum_1900pix.jpg

[Panathinaikos2]

is that an ancient greek saying?No. It was said by Kolokotronis during the Greek revolution.

[PAO_HELLAS]

Yes, Kolokotronis originally said it and he was referring to the Greeks who were cooperating with the Turks. The weak part of our history is that we had many traitors, always. From ancient times till today.

[Panathinaikos2]

Yes, Kolokotronis originally said it and he was referring to the Greeks who were cooperating with the Turks. The weak part of our history is that we had many traitors, always. From ancient times till today.We even had trators from World War 2 such as Papadopoulos (not the mitogas that plays for Panathinaikos :D ).

[Panathinaikos2]

Here I found one
http://forumancientcoins.com/Articles/Maps/images/Map_Ancient_Vindelicia_and_Illyricum_1900pix.jpgThat map makes Illiria seems a bit shorter since I can't see Apollonia. Never the less all these maps except the maps that Sandro posted proves that Epirus was always Greek.

[PAO_HELLAS]

We even had trators from World War 2 such as Papadopoulos (not the mitogas that plays for Panathinaikos :D ).

Mitogas, lol. Maybe that is why he used to hit good headers, he has a tool to point the goal post :lol: .

[Panathinaikos2]

Mitogas, lol. Maybe that is why he used to hit good headers, he has a tool to point the goal post :lol: .That is why I call him Mitogas :lol:

[Centarfor9]

Are you guys talking about this map?
I have seen this map in American Schools (high school and college).
And you could probably order these somewhere. My high school teacher had this one and it covered the entire wall.
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1467908/0/nouser_1467/T0_-1_1467908.jpg

[Bosnian Unit]

Did you guys see the disaster in Uganda :smoking:

[Panathinaikos2]

Are you guys talking about this map?
I have seen this map in American Schools (high school and college).
And you could probably order these somewhere. My high school teacher had this one and it covered the entire wall.
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/1467908/0/nouser_1467/T0_-1_1467908.jpgWhere is the proof that they teach Illirian history on high schools in the US. I highly doubt they teach Illirian history on American highschools since they don't even teach Ottoman history as I hear but I am more than shure they teach Illirian history on American colleges though. Anyways you say you have seen maps like this in American highschools howevor American highschools do not teach the history of Illiria which tells me you were lieing.

[Panathinaikos2]

Now this map makes much more sence since unlike that one Illirian map that Sandro posted which presents presents Aetolia and Acarnania which in reality are in the heart of Greece, this map comes from the University of Texas website and doesn't have stupid errors unlike both of Sandros maps. Notice how the Texan University presents Epirus as part of Ancient Greece. PAO HELLAS posted this map earlier on this thread.

http://www.utexas.edu/courses/greek606q/gk606qimages/gkimages1/greecemap9907190515.jpg

[Panathinaikos2]

And now some more maps which PAO HELLAS posted earlier on this thread.

Here is when the Persians conquered most of Asia Minor. I guess Epirus and Macedonia are still part of Hellas :)

http://www.goddess-athena.org/Atlas/Greek/Greek.gif

This map comes from another American educational websitewhich shows the areas after Colonisation.

http://www.willamette.edu/~sbasu/poli213/Plato1_files/image006.gif

[Centarfor9]

Where is the proof that they teach Illirian history on high schools in the US. I am shure they teach Illirian history in American colleges but you say you have seen these maps in American highschools which I doubt they teach Illirian history there which tells me you are lieing. Besides don't you live in Bosnia?
Dude I saw it in my ancient history class, and i didn't pay that much attention to Illyrian history. Dude I'm not saying anything other then I saw that map before in two institutions.

I wish I live in Bosnia. I'm studying in the US now.

[Centarfor9]

Did you guys see the disaster in Uganda :smoking:
No what happened dude?


@Pana Yo I'm not saying that part was Illyrian or Greek I'm just saying I saw that map before. Plus I don't really know much about Greek and Illyrian History. But I'm not lying about the map. That map might be wrong or correct but I saw it before.

[Bosnian Unit]

No what happen dude?

I was just messing with you guys ;) ..

You remember that movie ''No mans land'', when that guy said: did you see disaster in Rwuanda !?

I was just having hard time to spell Rwuanda(or however) and i said Uganda :lol: !

[Panathinaikos2]

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[Centarfor9]

I was just messing with you guys ;) ..

You remember that movie ''No mans land'', when that guy said: did you see disaster in Rwuanda !?

I was just having hard time to spell Rwuanda(or however) and i said Uganda :lol: !
Good1 :lol:

Hey very nice avatar!

[Panathinaikos2]

No what happened dude?


@Pana Yo I'm not saying that part was Illyrian or Greek I'm just saying I saw that map before. Plus I don't really know much about Greek and Illyrian History. But I'm not lying about the map. That map might be wrong or correct but I saw it before.Well then I apologise. Howevor that map that Sandro presented map is false. I have already explained why. My question is how is it that this is one of the only unbias (as some Albanians say but we don't know yet) map that includes Epirus as part of Illiria while all the other maps have Epirus as part of Ancient Greece?

[Panathinaikos2]

PAO HELLAS maps do not have any errors unlike both of Sandros maps.

[Centarfor9]

Well I am sorry then. Howevor that map that Sandro presented map is false. I have already explained why. My question is how is it that this is one of the only unbias (as some Albanians say but we don't know yet) map that includes Epirus as part of Illiria while all the other maps have it as Epirus is part of Ancient Greece?
Like somebody here said maps don't mean jack. 'I could make a map' (or something like that) I think it was the guy with a dog in his avatar. There are more things important and could serve as better evidence. I can't believe we are still talking about that single map.
I'm sorry but I have no input on the whole issue but if I have time I will look into this.

[Centarfor9]

PAO HELLAS maps do not have any errors unlike both of Sandros maps.
But you can't be the judge because he is Greek and you are Greek. Unless you are world proven historian and most of the world accepts your findings then I could see your point.

[Panathinaikos2]

But you can't be the judge because he is Greek and you are Greek. Unless you are world proven historian and most of the world accepts your findings then I could see your point.Your right but Sandros maps are both wrong. I have already explained why. PAO HELLAS maps have no errors if you look closley and they are all from nuetral sources while only one of Sandros maps are from a nuetral source (we don't know if it is really nuetral but oh well). Howevor despite Sandros map being nuetral, the map itself is wrong and false.

[benfica64]

albanians should stop squatting in albania and give their land over to Greece.

How pathetic.

[Panathinaikos2]

How pathetic.That post has been over a year ago.

[benfica64]

That post has been over a year ago.
Yes I know, And A year later Iam saying how pathetic. Iam only going a year back in debate you always go back 10 million and 1 half years back, nothing ever about football always ancient greece. Its gets to be a drag.

[Centarfor9]

That post has been over a year ago.
It's still pathetic.

[Panathinaikos2]

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[poutismalakas]

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PLEASE DON'T START!!! REFUSE TO PROVOKED!!!!!!!

[Panathinaikos2]

PLEASE DON'T START!!! REFUSE TO PROVOKED!!!!!!!I didn't provoke anyone.

[GentiaNi]

Dude I saw it in my ancient history class, and i didn't pay that much attention to Illyrian history. Dude I'm not saying anything other then I saw that map before in two institutions.

I wish I live in Bosnia. I'm studying in the US now.


I understand you bro.. Im sure you saw that map, its anot false one, but the greeks have no proovs the have nothing to add or to say i can really understand them :D

But the best will be as i do. to not pay any attention especially to panathinakos he is a brainwashed nationalist :sad: for your own good pana leave this stuff, because its obiously not you to jugde :D

[GentiaNi]

I didn't provoke anyone.

Do i have to shows you, your previous posts ? :rolleyes:

Get a life, you need one :worried:

[GentiaNi]

Well then I apologise. Howevor that map that Sandro presented map is false. I have already explained why. My question is how is it that this is one of the only unbias (as some Albanians say but we don't know yet) map that includes Epirus as part of Illiria while all the other maps have Epirus as part of Ancient Greece?

This is Dr proffesor Panathinakos dude...... Behind his COMPUTER :lol:

I love your proofs, but first tell me how old are you, 12-13 im sure :D

Epirus was am Illyrian tribe, proov me it is not ???:p

[GentiaNi]

PAO HELLAS maps do not have any errors unlike both of Sandros maps.

No they have twice as big ERRORS then anyone elses :yell:

who are the autors of that Map ! Perhaps of the two famous SFN dudes Panathinakos-Pao Hellas :ronaldo: Allways stoned:lol:

[GentiaNi]

But you can't be the judge because he is Greek and you are Greek. Unless you are world proven historian and most of the world accepts your findings then I could see your point.

Their false maps are of Greek Nationalist product :lol:
I guess i have nothing to say more about ít ;)

Venizelos was a greek "hero" he produced a map, where they included Southern Italy, half of Turkey whole Fyrom and more then half of Albania, Into a the Greater Greece... hahahaha :D
Nice wild dream

[PAO_HELLAS]

No they have twice as big ERRORS then anyone elses :yell:

who are the autors of that Map ! Perhaps of the two famous SFN dudes Panathinakos-Pao Hellas :ronaldo: Allways stoned:lol:

The first map is for Texas university, the other one was from an American educational institute. Follow the URLs if you want to see more, and cut the senseless talk. You admitted yourself that you didn't know where the map you posted is from :D.

[PAO_HELLAS]

Their false maps are of Greek Nationalist product :lol:
I guess i have nothing to say more about ít ;)

Follow the URLs.

The sites they are from are not sites that can be edited by anyone, like wikipedia.

[GentiaNi]

The first map is for Texas university, the other one was from an American educational institute. Follow the URLs if you want to see more, and cut the senseless talk. You admitted yourself that you didn't know where the map you posted is from :D.

Well so the Illryain map are present on even American shcools,, Stace saw that with his own eyes... so it is very famous..

greek maps are only lies.. no matter how much you spread that in the world:ronaldo:

[Sandro1]

That post has been over a year ago.

Hahaha yeah in your wild dreams! that you will occupay more Illyrian land...

That Illyrian map is very old, is presented on everywhere American universities, colleges etc..and shows the illyrian trib