Champions League 2005-06: Bayern Munich - Juventus(2.11.05) [Archive]

Lance Knight

02-22-2005, 06:56 AM

Monday, February 21, 2005

'No winter break hampers Arsenal'

Bayern Munich coach Felix Magath believes the lack of a winter break in England could work to his side's advantage in their Champions League clash with Arsenal.
The teams meet in the last 16 of the competition at the Olympic Stadium tomorrow with Bayern top of the Bundesliga and the Gunners an unaccustomed third in the Barclays Premiership.

And Magath thinks the lengthy break his side had in December and January has allowed them to recover from a difficult start to the season.

'English teams have been suffering for many years from not having a winter break and the players will be tired through all the games that they have played,' said Magath.

'We have had holidays and a chance to recharge the batteries and are now back to the peak of our form.'

But Magath is not writing his side's opponents off despite their faltering Premiership title defence.

He views Arsene Wenger's men among the leading contenders to win the competition, even if the Londoners have never gone beyond the quarter-finals.

He said: 'Arsenal are one of the top favourites to win the Champions League and I can't imagine my players would underestimate them,

'They are not a typically British team and don't have many British players.

'They play good, attractive football and, for the spectator at least, are nice to watch.

'We need to dictate the game because Arsenal are active and play a quick and direct game going forward.

'We need to try and stop them from counter-attacking and then try to get goals ourselves.'

Bayern v Arsenal is also Oliver Kahn v Jens Lehmann in a battle of the Germany goalkeepers, with national coach Jurgen Klinsmann sure to be watching.

Magath believes he has the better of the two: 'His (Kahn) performance up to now has been fantastic and there is no competition (for the Germany number one shirt) whether it be in Germany or in England.

'I think it is excellent the way Oliver has restrained himself and let his performances speak for themselves.

'I'm sure he'll try to keep another clean sheet.'

Bayern have a fitness concern over influential midfielder Michael Ballack but his boss is confident they can cope without the Germany international, who managed light running this morning.

'We'll see how he is tomorrow and then decide,' he said.

Lance Knight

02-22-2005, 06:57 AM

Monday, February 21, 2005

Spies are everywhere, says Wenger

MUNICH, Feb 21 (Reuters) - Arsenal's decision not to train on the eve of their Champions League matches is down to fear of giving away trade secrets, coach Arsene Wenger said on Monday.
'It's normal for us not to practise on the away pitch,' Wenger told reporters. 'It's supposed to be only you out there on the pitch but it never is.

'There are always spies, sitting there in the corner and watching what you do. You never get any privacy.'

Arsenal did not arrive in Germany before Tuesday's first knockout round, first leg match against Bayern Munich until Monday evening and they forfeited their right to test the conditions at the Olympic Stadium.

Lance Knight

02-22-2005, 06:59 AM

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/preview?id=169921&cc=3888

very good preview of this match

nachi88

02-22-2005, 11:15 AM

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/preview?id=169921&cc=3888

very good preview of this match

it predict a home win for bayern. But i think the gunners wuld get an important away goal. My prediction- 3-1 to Bayern.

Ivan7637

02-22-2005, 11:08 PM

it predict a home win for bayern. But i think the gunners wuld get an important away goal. My prediction- 3-1 to Bayern.

Bayern WHOOPS Arsenal 3-1...it should have been 3-0 hahahahaha...Yes i'm soooooo happppppyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!! PIIIIIZZZZAAAAARRRROOOO Rules!!!!!!!!! :silly:

baggy

02-23-2005, 03:15 AM

it predict a home win for bayern. But i think the gunners wuld get an important away goal. My prediction- 3-1 to Bayern.

Good prediction man!!! Thank you!!!
BAYERN RULES ALL !!!

arminius

02-23-2005, 03:18 AM

it predict a home win for bayern. But i think the gunners wuld get an important away goal. My prediction- 3-1 to Bayern.
wow that's some crystal ball u got, hope u put some money on it, did'nt see the match but heard frings missed from right in front of goal and would have gave them 4-0 lead, hopefully the late goal conceded won't prove to be crucial.

Highway Penguin

02-23-2005, 03:38 AM

Nice job guys. :)
I saw the goals...geez. Lehmann didn't seem to do too well.
Is that true?

Lance Knight

02-23-2005, 08:23 AM

Tuesday, February 22, 2005

Bayern Munich 3-1 Arsenal

PA

MUNICH, February 22 (Champions League) - It was by no means the first time that Arsenal had frozen on the big occasion in the Champions League.

However, this time, on a bitterly cold night in Munich, they did so both literally and professionally as their Champions League hopes were dealt a severe blow by a vibrant Bayern side.

The only hope for Arsenal on a night of defensive suicide came late on as Kolo Toure struck a vital away goal that at least gave the visitors a glimmer of hope for the second leg of this last-16 tie.

However, there were still 3-1 down and, while a 2-0 win at Highbury would now suffice, what price this porous Arsenal defence keeping a clean sheet?

The Gunners' history is already littered with far more troughs than peaks and they suffered another setback as they fell behind after just four minutes.

It was an too familiar tale as, without either Sol Campbell or Ashley Cole, Arsenal wilted at the back as Toure's mistake allowed Claudio Pizarro to strike from close-range.

The Gunners' defensive inadequacies returned to haunt them again on 58 minutes as Pizarro was left unmarked to head home substitute Mehmet Scholl's free-kick.

And while Jens Lehmann could not be faulted for either of those goals, he was hardly impressive as Hasan Salihamidzic inflicted Bayern's third blow on 65 minutes.

Toure's late strike at least muted the celebrations in Munich and the goal also provided some relief for the Ivory Coast defender.

For he had been clearly at fault for Bayern's early opening goal as, under little obvious pressure when Oliver Kahn's long clearance reached him, he inexplicably headed the ball into the air.

Peruvian Pizarro gave Lehmann no chance with an excellent first-time volley and Arsenal were already up against it.

With Freddie Ljungberg in behind Thierry Henry, they at least started to dominate possession in midfield but this was not translated into any meaningful pressure or chances.

Indeed, Henry and Pires were both peripheral figures as Bayern simply sat back and soaked up the Arsenal pressure.

That led to frustrations for the visitors, with Patrick Vieira booked for dissent after complaining to referee Kim Milton Nielsen that Willy Sagnol had dived after being challenged by Jose Antonio Reyes.

Arsenal were also forced into a change when Edu's hamstring problems returned and Mathieu Flamini replaced him with 10 minutes left before half-time.

Still, they struggled to make an impression in attack and it was only when Clichy's long-range effort received a wicked deflection that Kahn even looked in trouble, although the ball ran wide for a corner.

Arsene Wenger's men roused themselves into action after the interval, with Reyes' effort hitting the side netting, while Ljungberg shot straight at Kahn.

But it was still Lehmann - up against his international rival, Kahn - who had to produce a superb reaction save to deny Roy Makaay from close range.

Pascal Cygan failed to cut out Ze Roberto's deep cross, but Lehmann clawed Makaay's shot around the post, with Hasan Salihamidzic flicking the ensuing corner just wide.

Bayern coach Felix Magathe made a tactical switch on 57 minutes with Scholl replacing Ze Roberto and the substitute instantly delivered the free-kick from which Pizarro put Bayern 2-0 ahead.

Once again, Arsenal's marking was abysmal, with Toure so late in closing the Peru striker down that he actually managed to deflect the ball past Lehmann.

If that seemed bad enough, worse was to follow as Arsenal were exposed for a third time with 64 minutes gone.

This time, Lehmann was caught out of position as he could not reach Torsten Frings' deep cross and Salihamidzic was - unsurprisingly on a night of defensive confusion - left unmarked to volley home.

Frings was the next to be left in acres of space with only Lehmann to beat but this time he fired his shot into the side-netting.

Lauren was fortunate to escape with a yellow card for a two-footed lunge on Lizarazu, while Wenger brought on Cole with eight minutes left and the need for an away goal now having desperation point.

With two minutes left, there was finally hope. Vieira's volley struck the crossbar from point-blank range and Toure managed to bury the rebound.

Bayern, who had been virtually assured of their quarter-final place before then, were finally given cause for concern but it will still take a super-human effort to turn this tie around.

nachi88

02-23-2005, 04:06 PM

Ya, we should have won 4-0. frings missed a sitter. hope the away goal doenst prove to crucial. ya, my predictions rock. :) With Ballack and Schweinsteiger fit for the last game, we should be comfortablly through to the quarters.

FreshRush

02-23-2005, 06:09 PM

bayern will win the champions league :smoking:

Ivan7637

02-23-2005, 08:06 PM

bayern will win the champions league :smoking:

Let the tuth be TOLD!haha :smoking: yes they will win the champions league and destory anyone in their way and that includes Real Madrid,Liverpool,Barcelona,Manchester United, and Chelsea...they all will fall to Bayern and pray that they don't face them. :)

devious

02-23-2005, 10:26 PM

I just want a favoure.. I want to know what`s the formation Byern played with against Arsenal and what was the lins-up (a draw for the formation would be perfect) thanks..

nachi88

02-24-2005, 06:52 AM

I just want a favoure.. I want to know what`s the formation Byern played with against Arsenal and what was the lins-up (a draw for the formation would be perfect) thanks..

ok here goes

Kahn

Sagnol Lucio Demichellis Kovac

Ze roberto (scholl) Salihamidzic Frings Lizarazu

Makaay Pizzaro

Lance Knight

04-06-2005, 09:56 PM

what the hell happened here i cant believe this, what poor playing, 4-2 come on, it wouldnt be that bad if they losed 1-0 or even 2-0, but letting in 4 goals, come on.

Wednesday, April 6, 2005

Chelsea 4-2 Bayern Munich: FT Report

PA

Jose Mourinho may not have been at Stamford Bridge to witness Chelsea's stirring 4-2 victory against Bayern Munich due to his two-match touchline ban.

However, the Chelsea boss still somehow managed to inspire his side into renewed action as Frank Lampard struck twice after Bastian Schweinsteiger had equalised Joe Cole's early deflected effort.

Didier Drogba looked to have rounded off a convincing 4-1 win, only for Chelsea's grip on the tie to be loosened slightly by a late penalty from Michael Ballack.

That would have infuriated Mourinho, who had been viewing the game in private on television, even if his team had responded to his absence by growing in stature as the match progressed.

That extended to the bench, where his trusted lieutenants, Baltemar Brito and Steve Clarke, were aided by fitness coach Rui Faria as they seized back control of the game.

Rarely has a fitness coach had such an integral say on team affairs but Faria seemed to be involved in most decisions.

Wearing a hat on a relatively mild evening, television cameras showed him repeatedly sharing his thoughts with Clarke and Brito, who were seated in front of him. Maybe he was just translating between the manager's two assistants.

After all, Chelsea had promised there would be no repeat of the 'tricks' used by their manager during a similar ban at Porto.

In Mourinho's physical absence, fortune had favoured Chelsea as they seized the lead after just four minutes.

Robert Kovac failed to clear the ball properly but Damien Duff's ball to Cole still carried little obvious danger and neither did the midfielder's shot from the edge of the penalty area.

However, the ball took a wicked deflection off Lucio and left keeper Oliver Kahn powerless as he could not twist back in time to prevent Chelsea seizing the lead.

Chelsea nevertheless failed to build on that fortuitous early strike and were penned back in their own half for long periods by Bayern.

The Germans were without their two main strikers, with Roy Makaay having joined Claudio Pizarro on the injury list, but they still caused danger to the home defence.

An awful mistake by Glen Johnson, who froze when a cross came straight to him just eight yards out, gave Ze Roberto a clear sight of goal but he dragged his shot wide.

The winger also curled a free-kick just inches over the top as Chelsea somehow clung onto their lead.

They even had a handful of chances of their own, as Lampard curled a volley just wide and Kahn was out quickly to smother the ball at Duff's feet.

After the break, Duff raced through again and while Kahn parried his shot, Willy Sagnol hooked the ball off the line.

However, Chelsea were still vulnerable at the back and even keeper Petr Cech made an uncharacteristic error as Bayern drew level on 51 minutes.

The Czech Republic international could only parry Ze Robert's shot after Ballack's free-kick had cannoned into the wall and Schweinsteiger pounced from close range to bury his shot.

That at least spurred Chelsea into renewed activity. Drogba shot weakly at Kahn but then flicked a header into Lampard's path and the midfielder's finishing once again did not let him down.

Lampard may not have struck the ball as sweetly as normal but it still evaded Kahn as the shot inched just inside the far post.

Clarke just happened to have a brief chat with Faria before deciding to bring on Robert Huth for Johnson, while Chelsea's resurgence continued.

Duff had a drive tipped around post by Kahn but Lampard was not finished there.

If his first goal was not struck perfectly, his second was a pile-driver, controlling a cross from Claude Makelele on his chest before swivelling and powering a half-volley past Kahn.

Chelsea moved further ahead with 10 minutes left as Lampard's corner was flicked on by Huth and even though Eidur Gudjohnsen's initial effort was blocked, Drogba rammed home the loose ball.

With Mikael Forssell making a long-awaited comeback from injury as a late substitute, Chelsea's evening looked to be complete - until Ricardo Carvalho was harshly penalised for a foul on Ballack.

Deep into injury time, the Bayern skipper converted the spot-kick to give his side a glimmer of hope. Even Mourinho could do little about that.

Ivan7637

04-06-2005, 10:06 PM

Lance Knight

04-06-2005, 10:24 PM

well yea that is true

lurvthang

04-06-2005, 11:35 PM

well without makaay and pizarro they have little attack and when you have little attack your usually under a lot of attack. 4-2 is pretty good considering we scored 2 goals in an away game which means all we have to do is beat chelsea 2-0 or 3-1 to go in the next round and chelsea plays like crap away(watch the barca game). I think we have a pretty good shot.

hahah did anyone see that fake penalty? the ref is an idiot.hehe

So you think Chelsea play crap away from home, this is the sort of thing that makes me laugh, you know nothing of Chelsea, you based Chelsea's whole seasons performance away from home on the BarcÃ¡ match when they were down to ten men thanx to Mr Frisk.

Check the records before you shoot your mouth Chelsea away record, wins=13 draws=2 loses=1 goals scored=31 goals letin=7 that is not a record of a poor away team, I can tell you now the BarcÃ¡ away game was the most unusual for Chelsea, I can tell you now I don't see them having a problem away at Bayern.

The match in Bayern will be difficult for Bayern cos they are not really so great at coming forward, sure they pass the ball around well at times, but really if you looked at how they beat Arsenal, it was a lot of hopeful long balls and they got some lucky breaks, no really well worked goals, Chelsea reversed this strategy against them tonight to great effect, that is not Chelsea's normal game, but Bayern are a physical team and the manager has realised this plan was one that could work against Bayern, unlike Arsenal, Chelsea will not gift Bayern as many chances ain Germany and will score goals, so Bayern will need to score goals, I can't see it. Chelsea break really quickly when they need to tonights match showed this at start of second half they should have scored 2 times from the break, then Bayern turned dirty when things did not go their way, don't blame the ref, thank him cos he gave you a penalty was Ballack was shot by a sniper in the last minute, at least that's how he looked when he dived for that penalty, I hope FIFA do something about that like look at the incident and book him for blatant diving, but at half-time it is 4-2 to Chelsea they still need to do some work, but I think they are more than capable than arsenal that is why they are 13 points ahead of them in the league.

Chelsea played ok, they can play much better than this so we will see, please don't complain of injuries, we at Chelsea have injuries and suspensions.

It's a shame but a one side will go out, both teams are strong, I think at half -time Chelsea have an advantage

Ivan7637

04-07-2005, 01:28 AM

So you think Chelsea play crap away from home, this is the sort of thing that makes me laugh, you know nothing of Chelsea, you based Chelsea's whole seasons performance away from home on the BarcÃ¡ match when they were down to ten men thanx to Mr Frisk.

Check the records before you shoot your mouth Chelsea away record, wins=13 draws=2 loses=1 goals scored=31 goals letin=7 that is not a record of a poor away team, I can tell you now the BarcÃ¡ away game was the most unusual for Chelsea, I can tell you now I don't see them having a problem away at Bayern.

The match in Bayern will be difficult for Bayern cos they are not really so great at coming forward, sure they pass the ball around well at times, but really if you looked at how they beat Arsenal, it was a lot of hopeful long balls and they got some lucky breaks, no really well worked goals, Chelsea reversed this strategy against them tonight to great effect, that is not Chelsea's normal game, but Bayern are a physical team and the manager has realised this plan was one that could work against Bayern, unlike Arsenal, Chelsea will not gift Bayern as many chances ain Germany and will score goals, so Bayern will need to score goals, I can't see it. Chelsea break really quickly when they need to tonights match showed this at start of second half they should have scored 2 times from the break, then Bayern turned dirty when things did not go their way, don't blame the ref, thank him cos he gave you a penalty was Ballack was shot by a sniper in the last minute, at least that's how he looked when he dived for that penalty, I hope FIFA do something about that like look at the incident and book him for blatant diving, but at half-time it is 4-2 to Chelsea they still need to do some work, but I think they are more than capable than arsenal that is why they are 13 points ahead of them in the league.

Chelsea played ok, they can play much better than this so we will see, please don't complain of injuries, we at Chelsea have injuries and suspensions.

It's a shame but a one side will go out, both teams are strong, I think at half -time Chelsea have an advantage

chelseas away record is great, in the premiership! you'll see when they play in munich how many goals they will score! oh and all chelseas goals were luck, the first goal went off a defender. if it didn't kahn would have saved it so you can thank our defender for that crap goal. All the other goals were stupid defensive mistakes if you watch the game clearly. I'm not blaming the ref infact he kind of saved us by giving us that penalty. We didn't have any good strikers and yet we still managed to score and attack. Imagine how much attack were going to produce in munich. The reason chelsea scored 4 goals is because bayern couldn't produce any offense so they had to play more defense so they were under constant attack. In munich it's going to be different. We will have plenty of attack and the fans behind us and don't expect more than one goal from chelsea because it's not gonna happen.

I'm pretty sure Bayern is gonna think of something to stop Chelsea's long passes because those are the one that always caught bayern out of position and open to attack.

lurvthang

04-07-2005, 08:15 AM

chelseas away record is great, in the premiership! you'll see when they play in munich how many goals they will score! oh and all chelseas goals were luck, the first goal went off a defender. if it didn't kahn would have saved it so you can thank our defender for that crap goal. All the other goals were stupid defensive mistakes if you watch the game clearly. I'm not blaming the ref infact he kind of saved us by giving us that penalty. We didn't have any good strikers and yet we still managed to score and attack. Imagine how much attack were going to produce in munich. The reason chelsea scored 4 goals is because bayern couldn't produce any offense so they had to play more defense so they were under constant attack. In munich it's going to be different. We will have plenty of attack and the fans behind us and don't expect more than one goal from chelsea because it's not gonna happen.

I'm pretty sure Bayern is gonna think of something to stop Chelsea's long passes because those are the one that always caught bayern out of position and open to attack.

You are pathetic, you are telling me Frank Lampards 2 goals were LUCK?. I admit the 1st goal was lucky as it took a deflection, to be fair I think it should have been ruled offside, the 4th goal was poor defending, but not to be too hard on Bayern defence, they saved Bayern twice at start of second half when Chelsea brokebelieve me when I tell you Chelsea did not even have to get out of 2nd gear with Bayern they play much better than that, oh for your information, Chelsea away record in champions league this season is ok wins=2 draws=0 loses=2 scored=6 letin=4. that is Porto 2 Chelsea 1 when they sent a weak squad after winning the group and BarcÃ¡ 2 Chelsea 1.

I hope UEFA to do something with Ballack for that dive as that was blatant, embarassing and pathetic, do you really think Bayern with their games can do any better than score 2 goals against Chelsea, nobody has managed that this season, HOME OR AWAY, only BarcÃ¡ scored 2 goals against Chelsea from OPEN PLAY not gifts from refs, Bayerns 1st goal after a freekick, rebound off the goalie, the second a penalty, where can you see Bayern breaking Chelsea down, the only team who have managed all season, is BARCÃ€, after Chelsea went down to 10 men, no can't see it, even if you have you full attack, just not good enough Bayern, in many ways Bayern and Chelsea are similar, in styles, but Drogbas physical presence will be an important factor in Muinch again, he has not played so much this season, injuries and suspensions, we hope that Arjan Robban is back for the return, he has been Chelsea's best player this season I see Chelsea scoring at least 2 goals in Munich, meaning Bayern will need to do something NOBODY HAS DONE THIS SEASON, score 3 goals against Chelsea in one match, home or away. I just hope we get a strong ref to stop the diving and cheating from Bayern trying to fool them, there will be plenty of that nonsense. You have plenty divers in the Bayern team, Scholl, Ballack, that Sjde...vic (however you spell name), cos Bayern best chance is to win dubious free kicks.

I saw Bayern v Arsenal although Bayern won 3-1 they were not deserving of that score, it was Arsenal were really poor in defence, who gifted tBayern 2 goals,did you notice in the Chelsea match that the Bayern midfield could not dominate they ended up turning nasty in frustration, it was only when Scholl came on that for a little while it looked good for Bayern in midfield, but he came on a little late.

Whatever happens, Bayern or Chelsea lose, they are both good strong team sides, much more better balanced than say Real Madrid, and I know both will be there or there about in Champions League next year, as a last note, I must say I really respect the German attitude coming up to this match, they have been quiet and not saying rubbish things about Chelsea and English football in general, even if Chelsea beat Bayern I will be glad but will have full respect for Bayern but cos of the way the BarcÃ¡ players were shooting there mouths off before the Chelsea game, I just wanted to rub their faces in it, I won't do that against Bayern fans as they have been more humble and respectful as such they get my respect back.

Good luck for the second leg hope it ends up Bayern 1 Chelsea 1

Ivan7637

04-07-2005, 08:27 AM

You are pathetic, you are telling me Frank Lampards 2 goals were LUCK?. I admit the 1st goal was lucky as it took a deflection, to be fair I think it should have been ruled offside, the 4th goal was poor defending, but not to be too hard on Bayern defence, they saved Bayern twice at start of second half when Chelsea brokebelieve me when I tell you Chelsea did not even have to get out of 2nd gear with Bayern they play much better than that, oh for your information, Chelsea away record in champions league this season is ok wins=2 draws=0 loses=2 scored=6 letin=4. that is Porto 2 Chelsea 1 when they sent a weak squad after winning the group and BarcÃ¡ 2 Chelsea 1.

I hope UEFA to do something with Ballack for that dive as that was blatant, embarassing and pathetic, do you really think Bayern with their games can do any better than score 2 goals against Chelsea, nobody has managed that this season, HOME OR AWAY, only BarcÃ¡ scored 2 goals against Chelsea from OPEN PLAY not gifts from refs, Bayerns 1st goal after a freekick, rebound off the goalie, the second a penalty, where can you see Bayern breaking Chelsea down, the only team who have managed all season, is BARCÃ€, after Chelsea went down to 10 men, no can't see it, even if you have you full attack, just not good enough Bayern, in many ways Bayern and Chelsea are similar, in styles, but Drogbas physical presence will be an important factor in Muinch again, he has not played so much this season, injuries and suspensions, we hope that Arjan Robban is back for the return, he has been Chelsea's best player this season I see Chelsea scoring at least 2 goals in Munich, meaning Bayern will need to do something NOBODY HAS DONE THIS SEASON, score 3 goals against Chelsea in one match, home or away. I just hope we get a strong ref to stop the diving and cheating from Bayern trying to fool them, there will be plenty of that nonsense. You have plenty divers in the Bayern team, Scholl, Ballack, that Sjde...vic (however you spell name), cos Bayern best chance is to win dubious free kicks.

I saw Bayern v Arsenal although Bayern won 3-1 they were not deserving of that score, it was Arsenal were really poor in defence, who gifted tBayern 2 goals,did you notice in the Chelsea match that the Bayern midfield could not dominate they ended up turning nasty in frustration, it was only when Scholl came on that for a little while it looked good for Bayern in midfield, but he came on a little late.

Whatever happens, Bayern or Chelsea lose, they are both good strong team sides, much more better balanced than say Real Madrid, and I know both will be there or there about in Champions League next year, as a last note, I must say I really respect the German attitude coming up to this match, they have been quiet and not saying rubbish things about Chelsea and English football in general, even if Chelsea beat Bayern I will be glad but will have full respect for Bayern but cos of the way the BarcÃ¡ players were shooting there mouths off before the Chelsea game, I just wanted to rub their faces in it, I won't do that against Bayern fans as they have been more humble and respectful as such they get my respect back.

Good luck for the second leg hope it ends up Bayern 1 Chelsea 1

You said it yourself the first goal should have been rules offside and i'll admit it that basically our defense made mistakes but you don't realize that we were under constant attack because our offense was just plain crappy. You guys had 8 shots on goal and like 7 wide while we only had 3 shots on goal and like 4 or 5 wide. If we had our top strikers we certainly would have gotten more than 3 shots on goal. The penalty was a clear dive but every team has it's divers. On april 13th you will face a totally different bayern team then you did in the first leg. it's gonna be a team with a lot more confidence,hustle, drive and urgency.Even though you can't see us scoring 3 goals i can because 2 goals is only one goal apart from 3 and with a little bit of luck i believe we can win the game by two even against the chelsea defense. In case you didn't notice your defense made a lot of mistakes in the first leg, our stirkers couldn't take advantage of those mistakes and score. I must admit you clearly had the advantage on long balls because we were always beat but it's gonna be a whole different atmosphere and story in munich. I know that barca players were talking a lot before and after the first leg let's just hope that chelsea doesn't do the same because if they for one second underestimate us like Barca underestimated you in the second leg you guys will have a lot of trouble.

Good Luck and looking forward to a great game.

lurvthang

04-07-2005, 08:56 AM

Let the tuth be TOLD!haha :smoking: yes they will win the champions league and destory anyone in their way and that includes Real Madrid,Liverpool,Barcelona,Manchester United, and Chelsea...they all will fall to Bayern and pray that they don't face them. :)

Hi Mr Ivan so Bayern will destroy everybody will they wot about Chelsea?, I think the return in Munich will be a draw 1-1, Chelsea always score away in Champions league here are results

PSG 0 Chelsea 3
CSKA 0 Chelsea 1
Porto 2 Chelsea 1
BarcÃ¡ 2 Chelsea 1

wot do you think? even if Bayern win then I can only see them winning 2-1, but I cannot see them opening Chelsea up, even when they had their best spell last night, they didn't really create anything apart from free kicks, Chelsea are strong in the air in defence and fairly fast too, with a really hard working midfield and fast counter attacking players, they showed a couple of times last night and they really stretched Bayern, especially at start of 2nd half tweice and should have scored too.

Bayern is a good team, very much like Chelsea, Drogba will be an important player for the second leg, Chelsea used a lot of long balls for him and he won plenty, not Chelsea's usual game, but it proved effective against a Bayern team who defend well and get behind the ball quickly, so the longer ball was a tactic to speed up the attack for Chelsea. Drogba really troubled your central defenders and i see the same in the second leg, I hope Arjan Robben will be back, as he has been by far Chelsea's best player this year he REALLY IS FAST, him and Duff change wings all the time I can see areal problem for Bayern if Sangol is playing, he is really slow.

But whatever happens, I hope it is a nice game good luck, but I still hope you guys lose over the two legs.

lurvthang

04-07-2005, 09:23 AM

You said it yourself the first goal should have been rules offside and i'll admit it that basically our defense made mistakes but you don't realize that we were under constant attack because our offense was just plain crappy. You guys had 8 shots on goal and like 7 wide while we only had 3 shots on goal and like 4 or 5 wide. If we had our top strikers we certainly would have gotten more than 3 shots on goal. The penalty was a clear dive but every team has it's divers. On april 13th you will face a totally different bayern team then you did in the first leg. it's gonna be a team with a lot more confidence,hustle, drive and urgency.Even though you can't see us scoring 3 goals i can because 2 goals is only one goal apart from 3 and with a little bit of luck i believe we can win the game by two even against the chelsea defense. In case you didn't notice your defense made a lot of mistakes in the first leg, our stirkers couldn't take advantage of those mistakes and score. I must admit you clearly had the advantage on long balls because we were always beat but it's gonna be a whole different atmosphere and story in munich. I know that barca players were talking a lot before and after the first leg let's just hope that chelsea doesn't do the same because if they for one second underestimate us like Barca underestimated you in the second leg you guys will have a lot of trouble.

Good Luck and looking forward to a great game.

You make some good sensible points m8, but something I will tell you about Chelsea this season, the manager will be so angry at any defensive mistakes made last night he is a perfectionist and will correct that, the only errors I remember the defence making was Glenn Johnson in the 1st half to let in Ze Roberto, and the rebound for the Bayern equalizer, but from that? when did they make any other mistakes.

Chelsea have nothing to fear from your full strength team, we have faced Eto'o and Ronaldinho, Rooney. Ronaldo, Giggs and Saha and Henry all this season.

This reminds me of Manchester utd v Chelsea when in the 1st leg at Chelsea it was 0-0 everybody said Man Utd would win, at home and Chelsea's defence would not be able to cope, the score was Man Utd 1 Chelsea 2 and Chelsea coped well. Against Arsenal earlier in the season, when Arsenal were scoring an average of 4 goals per match everybody thought Chelsea would be beaten final score Arsenal 2 Chelsea 2 should have been 2-4 to Chelsea. They generally play better away from home than at home cos usually most teams defend in numbers against them, credit to Bayern as they did try and take the game to Chelsea after going 1-0 download, but really ask BarcÃ¡ it is really not easy to open up Chelsea defence that will be the problem for Bayern getting two goals, can't see it, you can say what you want but i am being realistic, it will be a tough match, but I still think it is a game too much for Bayern they have met at team at least their equal.

We brits are not known for being the boasting type, we let the football talk for us, but I try and give my knowledgeable opinion, it is just my opinion on what I see and try to not boast about what I will do and all that rubbish.

Who do you think will win the Champions League I think it will be AC Milan, although now Chelsea have nearly won the English premiership which was their 1st target this year they will have more time for the Champions League so hhmmm, you never know, we will take each game at a time, it's only half-time v Bayern and they lead by 4-2 so well see, but I am fairly confident about Chelsea's defence not to make too many errors for the return, I predict a really tough match for Chelsea and final score:

Bayern 1 Chelsea 1

in the return, Bayern is a quality team andÂ´they will always be giving you a hard match

nachi88

04-07-2005, 01:35 PM

We brits are not known for being the boasting type, we let the football talk for us, but I try and give my knowledgeable opinion, it is just my opinion on what I see and try to not boast about what I will do and all that rubbish.

I agree with your analysis... But dont write us off easily, if Brits are known for not being the type to boast, we Germans are known to be fighters to the last drop of blood ( in this case, till last second of CL match). Also expect a tougher match, as will have all our mainstay players back, and with demichellis being a defensive midfield, you would find it tougher with the long passes and through balls.

You dominated us yesterday, but the return leg will be much tougher for you guys.

If we lose( just hypothetically) all the best to you guys, I hope you beat all those serie a teams.

Lance Knight

04-07-2005, 01:44 PM

i got fed up reading that long long long esay, lol, anyway i hate chelsea, and munich is my german side, and they are not at full strenght, especially with no first team strikers playing, so dont go around boasting

Bavaria

04-08-2005, 04:37 AM

Ivan7637

04-08-2005, 08:27 PM

hi I am new here, :) well lets begin shall we? soo i just wanted to say that chelsea played good as usual, but the firs goal was a flook, but the rest were ok and well shot goals, bayern munich were determined till the last second to try to score, ( they are germans after all) and they had some missing players that were vital to their teem, bayern go home now, and lets hope they get the players all prepared, well the players needed that is
cheers

welcome, nice to see another Bayern fan. ;)

Bavaria

04-09-2005, 03:07 AM

welcome, nice to see another Bayern fan. ;)

thanks for the warm welcome :rolling:

Lance Knight

04-12-2005, 07:58 AM

Sunday, April 10, 2005

Bayern's Pizarro set to face Chelsea

FRANKFURT, April 10 (Reuters) - Bayern Munich should be able to field their first-choice strike partnership for Tuesday's Champions League clash with Chelsea after Claudio Pizarro said he had fully recovered from his hamstring injury.
'I feel fit and I have no more problems,' the Peruvian international said after coming through a training session on Sunday.

Dutchman Roy Makaay, Pizarro's regular partner up front, returned for Bayern in Saturday's 2-1 win at home to Borussia Moenchengladbach.

Both Makaay and Pizarro missed Bayern's 4-2 defeat in the quarter-final first leg in London last week.

Their return would be a huge boost to the German side's chances of staging a recovery.

Pizarro scored two of the goals in the side's 3-1 win over Arsenal at the Olympic Stadium in the last round, while Makaay has notched seven goals in the Champions League this season.

Lance Knight

04-12-2005, 08:03 AM

Monday, April 11, 2005

Bayern at full strength for Chelsea

Reuters

MUNICH, Germany - Bayern Munich coach Felix Megath has confirmed first choice strike pairing Claudio Pizarro and Roy Makaay will be fit for Tuesday's Champions League quarter-final second leg clash with Chelsea.
The duo missed the 4-2 first leg defeat in London through injury while midfielder Martin Demichelis will also start at the Olympic Stadium after being suspended at Stamford Bridge.

"At Chelsea we were missing three of our top players," Magath told reporters on Monday. "Tomorrow fortunately they will be on the team again. That means we will have a boost. We'll have the line-up that has performed so well over the past weeks and months."

Pizarro scored two in his side's 3-1 home win over Arsenal in the last round, while Dutchman Makaay has notched seven goals in the Champions League this season.

Bayern struggled to threaten a formidable Chelsea defence last week but a last minute penalty from Michael Ballack has given them hope.

Lance Knight

04-12-2005, 08:04 AM

Monday, April 11, 2005

Magath confident of Bayern success

Bayern Munich coach Felix Magath is ready to spring an upset in the Champions League against Chelsea.
The German giants will look to turn around a 4-2 first-leg deficit at the Olympic Stadium on Tuesday.

Bayern would progress to the semi-finals with a 2-0 win and Magath believes his side are more than capable of doing just that.

'We are capable of scoring two goals in 45 minutes and that is what we need against Chelsea on Tuesday,' he said after his side recovered from going a goal down to beat Borussia Monchengladbach 2-1 on Saturday in the Bundesliga.

'We have not only defended, but extended our advantage over Schalke to three points and that will comfort us, even in the Champions League. We can now go into that game with added self-confidence.'

Bayern laboured to a win against the Bundesliga strugglers, but the players' attitudes, particularly when going behind, has encouraged Magath.

'We go into the game convinced we can knock Chelsea out,' he added.

Mehmet Scholl may have played himself into contention for a place in the starting XI following his stirring substitute performance on Saturday, which was capped by the equalising goal.

Martin Demichelis' replacement added an extra attacking dimension to Magath's side and he would be an option instead of the disappointing Argentinian midfielder on Tuesday.

England utility man Owen Hargreaves will also be hopeful of a start after sitting out another Bundesliga match and he may be included in midfield should Hasan Salihamidzic revert to left-back in place of Bixente Lizarazu, who was out of sorts on Saturday.

Bayern will make at least one change from the side that lost in London last Wednesday with Roy Makaay completing the full 90 minutes on Saturday and putting his name on the team sheet for Tuesday.

'I'm happy that he got through the full 90 minutes and it's obvious that he'll start on Tuesday,' said Magath.

'It was good for him to be able to warm himself up for the Chelsea game and I'm confident he will be effective and dangerous.'

Makaay may even be joined by Claudio Pizarro up front as the Peruvian returned to training on Sunday for the first time since suffering a thigh injury.

The 26-year-old was the match-winner against Arsenal in the last round with his two goals in Munich and Magath is hoping to have his extra firepower available to strike a second London side out of the contest.

'If he has no problems today (Monday), then it's likely he will play from the start on Tuesday,' said Magath.<

Lance Knight

04-12-2005, 08:05 AM

One man banned

Steve Wilson

All the talk when Bayern Munich and Chelsea played out the first part of their Champions League quarter-final last week was of the man who wasn't there.

Jose Mourinho, the London club's irrepressible and outspoken coach, banned from the touchline due to comments made in the wake of a rare defeat for his side, in the Nou Camp in the previous round, chose not to enter the ground at all, electing instead to watch from the relative serenity of a nearby gym.

But despite his physical absence, his influence was there for all to see in the way his charges went about their night's work.

The sheer brute force with which Chelsea went at Bayern seemed to fluster the Bundesliga leaders and, as a departure from the crisp passing game that has served them so well on all fronts, demonstrated both their versatility and Mourinho's meticulous preparation.

Didier Drogba, producing one of his finest performances to date in a Chelsea shirt, was too strong for Robert Kovac and Lucio to handle as Chelsea sought the physical striker out at every opportunity to great effect, especially in the second-half. Though it clearly worked, Chelsea's robust style of play prompted accusations from England international Owen Hargreaves of primitive English long ball tactics from the London club.

But Frank Lampard, the home side's inspiration on the night and scorer of two of their four goals, rightly dismissed such criticism.

'Maybe we played with a bit of an English style second-half,' conceded Lampard. 'We stuck the ball up there a few times and pushed in and played with high pressure and high tempo. But there's two ways of doing it: lumping it up with no thought and no quality, or doing it with quality; we did it with quality.'

Bayern are only still in the tie thanks to some last-minute theatrics from Michael Ballack, Bayern's creative fulcrum and a player too gifted to need recourse for employing such dark arts. Though indefensible on Ballack's part, there was an element of poetic justice in the injustice suffered by Richardo Carvalho; the stooge in that particular pantomime.

The foul he was penalised for may have been negligible, but a much meatier version of the same offence went unpunished when he wrestled Barcelona's Victor Valdes on the goalline to aid John Terry's winner against the Spaniards.

The penalty that Ballack won, and converted, means Bayern would now go through were they to win the second leg 2-0 or 3-1. If they were to achieve either result, they would be the first to do so against Mourinho's Chelsea.

Such was Chelsea's dominance that a scoreline of 4-2 initially left the Chelsea players deflated at the final whistle but, after reflection, they know they hold a substantial upper hand when the two sides meet again.

'The only disappointment is not having that three goal cushion,' admitts Lampard, 'but it was a great night. At one-all we showed great character and produced great football. When we play like that there's not many teams who can stop us scoring goals.'

A decidedly off-colour performance against Birmingham at the weekend is unlikely to prove an accurate barometer for Chelsea's form come Tuesday. Bayern themselves made hard work of beating Borussia Monchengladbach, coming from a goal down to win 2-1 to extend their lead over Schalke to three points at the top of the Bundesliga.

Bayern coach Felix Magath, a rival for Mourinho in the self-confidence stakes, feels that the character shown in that game proves his side have a genuine chance of progressing to the semi-finals, despite the enormity of the task they face.

'We are capable of scoring two goals in 45 minutes and that is what we need against Chelsea on Tuesday,' he said in reference to Saturday's second-half recovery; though Chelsea are a different proposition entirely to the Bundesliga strugglers. 'We can now go into that game with added self-confidence. We are convinced we can knock Chelsea out.'

Mehmet Scholl, who scored the equaliser after replacing the disappointing Ze Roberto, may well have played his way into a starting berth and his attacking sparkle will be needed as Bayern need to unlock Chelsea's formidable defence. The ageing Bixente Lizarazu looks likely to be dropped and that may afford Hargreaves another chance to impress potential Premiership suitors after looking out of his depth at Stamford Bridge.

What is certain is that Bayern will have one, or even two significant changes from the side that played in the first leg. Dutch marksman Roy Maakay played a full 90 minutes at the weekend and his presence will be a huge fillip for a side desperate for goals.

He may even be joined in attack by the two-goal architect of Arsenal's downfall, Claudio Pizarro; the Peruvian having returned to full training but yet to see competitive action after a lay-off with a thigh injury.

With Arjen Robben still unavailable for Chelsea it is likely they will approach the second leg in a similar fashion to the first and, despite Bayern's two away goals, will be confident of scoring against a team forced to commit men forward from an early stage.

Even without Mourinho prowling the touchline of the Olympiastadion, Bayern are undoubtedly set to endure a more exacting test of their Champions League mettle than the last time they hosted English opposition.

Lance Knight

04-12-2005, 08:07 AM

Monday, April 11, 2005

Bayern to adopt aggressive approach

MUNICH, April 11 (Reuters) - Bayern Munich have learned their lessons from a bruising 4-2 Champions League loss to Chelsea last week and plan a more aggressive style of play when the teams meet again on Tuesday.
'Chelsea play very aggressively and physically,' Bayern goalkeeper and captain Oliver Kahn said on Monday ahead of the quarter-final second leg.

'We know that if we don't play more physically than we did last time we won't have much of a chance.'

Chelsea dominated Bayern in London with tricky midfielder Joe Cole repeatedly outmuscling opponents for the ball and defender John Terry knocking Kahn to the ground in one goalmouth challenge.

Ivory Coast striker Didier Drogba, whose tap-in put the Premier League leaders up by three goals before a Michael Ballack penalty in injury time cut the difference, was too powerful in the air for Bayern central defender Robert Kovac.

'I have to admit that we did not have a perfect day last week and Drogba was one of the reasons,' Bayern coach Felix Magath said.

'Kovac knows the strength of Drogba better now and I think tomorrow our defence will be able to handle him better.'

A 2-0 or 3-1 victory by Bayern would be enough to put them through to the semi-finals and a clash with Liverpool or Juventus.

This time Bayern can count on their first-choice strike pair of Claudio Pizarro and Roy Makaay, both absent with injuries when the teams met at Stamford Bridge.

Pizarro nabbed two goals in Bayern's 3-1 Olympic Stadium win over Arsenal in the previous round and Makaay has scored seven goals in the Champions League this season.

Without them, Bayern's lone striker Paolo Guerrero rarely threatened a tough Chelsea defence.

'We have to score goals, so of course it is important that both of them are ready to play,' Kahn said.

Ivan7637

04-12-2005, 08:34 PM

well right now it's 2-1 for chelsea in the 87th minute and were gonna lose. Lucio is an idiot, an own goal twice in two weeks. our offense was decent but we couldn't take advantage of our chances. Chelseas defense was masterful and i hate Lucio! :fed-up:

Ivan7637

04-12-2005, 08:44 PM

lurvthang

04-12-2005, 08:52 PM

we won 3-2, we scored two goals but wasted way to much time so chelsea wins it. I think we didn't take our chances well but in the end the chelsea defense wasn't playing strong so we scored twice.

This really sucks! did i mention i hate Lucio? :confused:

Congrats chelsea! :thumbsup:

Thanx m8 a good and tough opponent Bayern proved to be as I always thought it would be, Bayern will be back, Chelsea relax rather too much in the end for my liking, but good luck for the Bundesliga quite clearly your team is a class act and should win it.

Bayern we salute you :thumbsup:

RonaldoD08

04-12-2005, 08:52 PM

Ivan7637

04-12-2005, 08:56 PM

drogba's second goal was a crappy defense and lost kahn...

it was all avoidable...

the second goal in my opinion was pretty nice. Drogba had a bit to much freedom so that's why he scored. The first goal by Lampard is clear crap because it deflected of the idiot "Lucio" and went in. Either god really likes Lampard or Lucio is the Devil!

Lance Knight

04-12-2005, 09:15 PM

WWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYY
the first goal was shit
and get rid or Kahn he cant do shit anymore

Ivan7637

04-12-2005, 09:19 PM

WWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYY
the first goal was shit
and get rid or Kahn he cant do shit anymore

none of the goals were his fault, the first goal was Lucios fault and the second was our whole defense.

Bavaria

04-12-2005, 09:27 PM

chelsea is so lucky
too many chances, we should have advanced

Ivan7637

04-12-2005, 09:32 PM

chelsea is so lucky
too many chances, we should have advanced

we trippled there shots on goal...that says it all.

DAMN ITS ALL LUCIOS FAULT!

nachi88

04-13-2005, 05:48 AM

Bavaria

04-13-2005, 06:47 AM

we are the better team, no doubt and no matter who says what (my friends were assholes to me today) anyhow, the first game should have been less catastrophic, if we only had the players we needed in the first leg!
the second game was dominated by us, chelsea was lucky just like the first time, too bad we messed up infront of the goal!
Chelsea, we shall we meet again, and you will meet our rath! the next time we will make it even harder
GERMAN STYLE!
congrats

Lance Knight

04-13-2005, 07:22 AM

they can count on that

PAO_HELLAS

04-13-2005, 12:37 PM

Sure Bayern deserved something more yesterday...

Chelsea acomplished to make goals with less chances.

lurvthang

04-13-2005, 06:21 PM

So, it has ended for us.

But we gave a good fight. Some very clear cut chances were missed in the first half. The attack was terrefic. Ballack missed two good chances in the first half. We cant mess up those if we want to beat a team like Chelsea. I still belive that this Bayern team is a class act, and is a winner team.
In the second half, Ballack played better, got the headers and apart from that 1 second , where sagnol was sleeping and let joe cole cross with all the time in the world, we dominated. It was a night, where we could have ended up in the semi's. We have only ourselves to blame. Also, we shattered the Chelsea defense myth. :D . we won 3-2 after all..

All the best to chelsea for the forthcomming matches. :thumbsup:

Mr Nachi I have to concede that you were the better side on the night, you had some chances, as to the 3-2, please you shattered no Chelsea myth afterall, Chelsea were cruising to a 2-1 victory it was into injury time, the fact that Bayern scored two late goals is more to make the score repectable than Chelsea being under any REAL threat, the only time I felt Bayern were a real threat was after they got to 1-1, then they hit the bar off Huth and had a Ballack header off the line, then Chelsae went and scored a killer second goal. But in truth thrtoughout the match I always felt they had Bayern needing to score two goal really, the final 2 goals in extra time put a distorted picture, I guess the only myth you shattered about Chelsea this season is Bayern are the ONLY team to score THREE goals against them this season, that I can give you, BUT you let in 2.

One thing I get fed up about a lot of Bayern fans, they don't seem to appreciate some of the good players they have, they seem to have a go at Oliver Kahn, come on he saved Bayern in the opening minutes when Drogba was clean through on goal, and he saved point blank when Duff shot hard from about 4m out when Chelsea were leading 2-1 yet still people are blaming him, I think he played quite, and they also seem to have a go a Ze Roberto, who was by FAR the best player on the park last night he gave our makeshift defence a hard time, come on you Bayern fans these players you seem to have a go at a quality players.

Hard luck Bayern a good match overall, :thumbsup: but really it was more than just missing chances, it would have tasted sour should that penalty from London have meant something, Oliver Kahn summed things up when he said.. "In reality the better side over the two legs won, both team missed chances.." He also said "... We(Bayern) have to learn how we can compete with some of Europe top sides..", I tend to agree with him because in any given time in a match you have dominant periods, it's what you do with that dominance.

Good luck for the Bundesliga, you will be back next year I am sure of that I wanna play Bayern again, but next year in the final what you think?

Ivan7637

04-13-2005, 08:51 PM

Over the last two legs with chelsea i have concluded that i hate Lucio!

lurvthang

04-13-2005, 09:07 PM

Over the last two legs with chelsea i have concluded that i hate Lucio!

Mr Ivan, this is the exact point I am talking about with you Bayern fans, Lucio is a class defender, look it so happens he got in the way and the ball deflected off him, you cannot blame him for that :worried: .

I would say look at Lucios performances over the season and then judge him, you do not become a bad player over two matches, he is a classic "libero", just unfortunate, you should hate more the players who let the Chelsea players get in the position to shoot, cos Lucio was only trying to block the shoot, ie cleanup somebody elses mess.

But I must say your defence looked a little vunerable can be a worry I think you will be ok even if Kovac leaves you have Kuffour to cover he is good too, why is he not playing? Is the combination of Lucio and Kovac that good?, if it is then why do Bayern let in so many goals, this means against tyhe better teams, Bayern need to always score so the pressure will be with them.

But, well played Bayern you will be back, Juve are out so it is an English 1/2 back to the old days, but I feel AC Milan are the favourites, we will see, English teams over the poast 5 years seem to be beating Italian teams only Man Utd spoit the record against Milan.

Ivan7637

04-13-2005, 09:27 PM

Mr Ivan, this is the exact point I am talking about with you Bayern fans, Lucio is a class defender, look it so happens he got in the way and the ball deflected off him, you cannot blame him for that :worried: .

I would say look at Lucios performances over the season and then judge him, you do not become a bad player over two matches, he is a classic "libero", just unfortunate, you should hate more the players who let the Chelsea players get in the position to shoot, cos Lucio was only trying to block the shoot, ie cleanup somebody elses mess.

But I must say your defence looked a little vunerable can be a worry I think you will be ok even if Kovac leaves you have Kuffour to cover he is good too, why is he not playing? Is the combination of Lucio and Kovac that good?, if it is then why do Bayern let in so many goals, this means against tyhe better teams, Bayern need to always score so the pressure will be with them.

But, well played Bayern you will be back, Juve are out so it is an English 1/2 back to the old days, but I feel AC Milan are the favourites, we will see, English teams over the poast 5 years seem to be beating Italian teams only Man Utd spoit the record against Milan.

so what if he is a class defender? it doesn't mean i have to like him. I blame the entire defense but especially lucio. first leg i let it slip because i can understand it happening once but twice? come on he should know better then that.

Good Luck Vs Liverpool, this should be bit easier then Barca and Bayern i suppose but you never know. While i'm at it i might get some tea and chips and watch the game. Liverpool Vs Chelsea, I don't like it one bit and i might not even watch it. I hate watching two english teams playing each other. Especially if it's a low scoring game i mean look at Chelsea vs bayern 11 goals in two games and Liverpool Vs Juventus 3 goals in two games. I hope chelsea can score in that game because i don't expect liverpool to score.

Either way good luck vs Liverpool.

Lance Knight

04-15-2005, 06:15 AM

or yea we lost so this thread will close by next week or do u guys want it to remain open to make predictions and plan stragies for next CL

nachi88

04-15-2005, 06:59 AM

One thing I get fed up about a lot of Bayern fans, they don't seem to appreciate some of the good players they have, they seem to have a go at Oliver Kahn, come on he saved Bayern in the opening minutes when Drogba was clean through on goal, and he saved point blank when Duff shot hard from about 4m out when Chelsea were leading 2-1 yet still people are blaming him, I think he played quite, and they also seem to have a go a Ze Roberto, who was by FAR the best player on the park last night he gave our makeshift defence a hard time, come on you Bayern fans these players you seem to have a go at a quality players.

I totally agree with you, and have pointed this out, to the fellow Bayern fans here...
Lets examine case by case-
1) Kahn- he pulled an excellent save off drogba early in the game. A lesser goalkeeper would have looked like a fool and be outwitted an outpaced in that situation. He saved a duff shot from point blank range. Again, any other goalkeeper would just have let it past him, rather than get into harms way. His commitment and talent are unquestionable.
2) Lucio- I dont think he can really be blamed if the ball deflects off him twice and ends up in the goal. Just shows that he always anticipates shots and tries to block them. Lightning struck twice and that was some luck for Chelsea. Any student of probability will tell you that the odds of something like that happening are near zero.
3) Ballack- for 3/4th of the tie he was absolutely pathetic. At stamford bridge he wasnt noticable, until the late penalty. At Munich, he played bad in the first half, missing many chances, which could have been converted. In the second half he played like himself again, and won almost every header and was responsible for atleast two of the goals.

Also, Bayern is a GERMAN TEAM.Reacting to a loss in a knee jerk manner in not our trait. We dont play the blame game. We dont try and find scapegoats(unlike real madrid, inter etc). We dont cry over defeat and blame referee, bad luck etc. A loss like this calls for some cool headed analysis of the game by Bayern high command and they should find the factors ( not just players) which were responsible for the loss. Then those factors should be worked upon. We should learn to accept that we were outplayed over the two legs. I am not saying that we were necessarily worse than Chelsea, but we lost this time.

PS: GP, please do not close this thread yet... atleast lets have it till this seasons CL gets over.

Lance Knight

04-15-2005, 07:10 AM

i was never really going to close it i just wanted to know if people gave up

jonas_kengen

04-17-2005, 07:59 PM

im gna agree with Ivan, ok i dont hate Lucio, hes one of the worlds best in my eyes, but when it happens TWICE!?! hes lucky bayern doesnt have a big hooligan culture. Not only did he embarras himself, he also made kahn look like an idiot...TWICE. Non the less the defeat is by no means the fault of a single player, lets just leave it behind us and hope it doesnt happen again. Furthermore ze roberto was indeed one of the best players on the field, it was always him getting the ball up front, and kahn made some great saves. Interesting to see what happnes this summer when kovac and maybe even hargreaves leaves. for now, 6 points clear baybay!!!!!

Ivan7637

04-17-2005, 11:20 PM

Lance Knight

04-19-2005, 06:57 AM

yea six points clear, and welcome dude

Ivan7637

08-26-2005, 02:16 AM

Mates, it's time show europe that Bayern are the best in europe and the only way to do that is in the Champions league.

Group A
Bayern Munich
Juventus
Club Brugge
Rapid Vienna

Ok this is the group. We drew Juve again which sucks big time but we will definietly go through.

Rapid Vienna 1 Vs 3 Bayern Munchen
Bayern Munchen 3 Vs 0 Rapid Vienna

Bayern Munchen 2 Vs 0 Club Brugge
Club Brugge 1 Vs 4 Bayern Munchen

Bayern Munchen 3 Vs 1 Juventus
Juventus 1 Vs 1 Bayern Munchen

Any other predictions?

Lance Knight

08-26-2005, 09:09 AM

good predictions but i would have to switch the juve results, bayern always seems to do better against big teams when they are away

Ivan7637

09-13-2005, 02:56 AM

Ballack is out of thursdays game vs Vienna.. :mad2:

Lance Knight

09-13-2005, 09:30 PM

well i still say we would win, by the way i have bets set up people

Ivan7637

09-14-2005, 08:47 PM

1-0 Bayern

How many chances can makaay possibly miss?????

That Vienna pen scared the shit out of me. Thank God he missed.

We deserved to win atleast 3-0, we ***king dominated.

Sadly Juve won too.

ARBANITAI

09-14-2005, 08:51 PM

only 1-0 against Vienna thats not the best result from Bayern munich :rolleyes:

Ivan7637

09-14-2005, 08:58 PM

only 1-0 against Vienna thats not the best result from Bayern munich :rolleyes:

Well we didn't have ballack and we were just extremely UNLUCKY not to destroy them.

Anyways can't wait to crush our next oponnent :)

nachi88

09-15-2005, 02:02 PM

Well we didn't have ballack and we were just extremely UNLUCKY not to destroy them.

Anyways can't wait to crush our next oponnent :)

It was close Ivan, not so one sided... The penalty was a scare. :shocked:

From what I heard, Brugge put up a good show against Juve. We have been playing good football at domestic league, we should continue to do the same at the CL also.

Ivan7637

09-15-2005, 08:49 PM

It was close Ivan, not so one sided... The penalty was a scare. :shocked:

From what I heard, Brugge put up a good show against Juve. We have been playing good football at domestic league, we should continue to do the same at the CL also.

It was pretty one sided. I checked a few stats and we had 8 shots on goal and they had 3. Still they scared me a lot on the counter and that penalty almost made me shit myself.

I was hoping juve would slip up but we'll see when they face vienna next.

We should go far in the CL this year.

At least farther than real madrid :D :D Lyon 3-Madrid 0 :D :D

Ivan7637

09-27-2005, 12:54 AM

FRANKFURT, Sept 26 (Reuters) - Club Bruges should be wary of a wounded Bayern Munich when they play the first Champions League match at the German side's spectacular new World Cup stadium on Tuesday.

Bayern's 15-match winning run in the Bundesliga came to an abrupt end with a 2-0 defeat away to Hamburg SV on Saturday.

The Bundesliga champions can rarely have played worse than in a lazy first-half display and the players are determined to atone by making it two wins out of two in Group A.

"We lacked determination and we weren't completely in the game," goalkeeper and captain Oliver Kahn said after a defeat that cut Bayern's lead at the top to a single point.

"But in a way I'm glad that we can put the wining run out of our minds and get back to our normal routine."

A second victory would take the pressure off Bayern, leaving them well-placed to qualify from the group regardless of what happens in the next two games home and away to Juventus.

Their chances against the Belgian champions will be helped by the return of Michael Ballack, who missed the opening 1-0 win away to Rapid Vienna with an ankle injury.

Ballack came back from an ankle injury to play in the league defeat against Hamburg and, after a slow start, his influence grew as the game went on.

Coach Felix Magath can also recall Martin Demichelis to restore his first-choice pairing for central midfield.

IMPROVEMENT EXPECTED

"I'm confident the performance will be a lot better against Bruges," Magath said. "The Champions League is always different."

Bruges were also beaten at the weekend, 1-0 at home to Lokeren, in what was their second league defeat in three days.

"We will not use it as an excuse, but everything seems to be against us at the moment," the club's technical director, Marc Degryse said.

Defenders Gunther Vanaudenaerde and Marek Spilar were forced out of Saturday's game and join Rune Lange, Manasseh Ishiaku, Joos Valgaeren, Michael Klukowski, Philippe Clement, Ivan Gvozdenovic, Sergiy Serebrennikov and Sebastian Hermans on an ever lengthening sick list.

Bruges coach Jan Ceulemans also has a headache in choosing his goalkeeper for the game.

Regular number one, Tomislav Butina returned between the posts on Saturday, but his replacement Stijn Stijnen was excellent in a 2-1 loss to Juventus in their last Champions League outing.

Captain Gert Verheyen returns after missing the game against the Italians through suspension.

Probable teams:

Bayern Munich: 1-Oliver Kahn; 2-Willy Sagnol, 3-Lucio, 25-Valerien Ismael, 69-Bixente Lizarazu; 26-Sebastian Deisler, 6-Martin Demichelis, 13-Michael Ballack, 31-Bastian Schweinsteiger; 33-Paolo Guerrero, 10-Roy Makaay.

Club Bruges: 1-Tomislav Butina; 2-Olivier De Cock, 26-Birger Maertens, 33-Jason Vandelannoite, 11-Jonathan Blondel, 8-Gaetan Englebert, 18-Ivan Leko, 34-Jeanvion Yulu-Matondo, 10-Bosko Balaban, 22-Javier Portillo, 7-Gert Verheyen.

Referee: Tom Henning Ovrebo (Norway)

Ballack is back and makaay needs to get back into form. I hope we don't leave makaay alone upfront. Anyways, we should win. :)

valdanito_10

09-28-2005, 01:06 AM

What a match will Juve Bayern win! Im really hoping Bayern can practice the distruction they should have done today on the Juve game!

Ivan7637

09-28-2005, 01:12 AM

Juve is going down!!!!!!

....B-A-Y-E-R-N....M-U-N-C-H-E-N....F-O-R-E-V-E-R.....

valdanito_10

09-28-2005, 01:27 AM

Im not that confident, Juventus have a masterful team!

Ivan7637

09-28-2005, 01:31 AM

Im not that confident, Juventus have a masterful team!

I know but i Believe in Bayern. :D

We have a great team aswell. IMO more masterful but of course im going to say that since im a bayern fan :lol:

nachi88

09-28-2005, 03:32 AM

We won, we attacked, but at home, I expect more from Bayern. Look ar Juve, they have better goal difference now, so to be top we have to either beat them in one of the games and draw the other, or smash brugge and vienna by much more in the return legs.

nachi88

10-18-2005, 06:26 PM

Bayern vs Juve at Allianz Arena in some time

http://www.fcbayern.t-com.de/en/news/news/2005/05913.php?fcb_sid=68eedd1275999e835ca9f31717bf1be1

Tell us of your views on the game

Ivan7637

10-18-2005, 08:42 PM

We were the better team. We dominated and damn Makaay is unlucky. Anyways the first goal was funny but the keepers mistake. The ending was scary but we survived.

Good Game and GOOOOOOOOO BAYERN!!!!!!!!!! :)

Nebeltier

10-19-2005, 12:20 PM

That was a great match! Bayern were in comand the entire game. The final scoreline flatters Juve, who were outplayed from minute 1...Bayern should have scored more goals, really! I loved the way Deisler played - always in the match and willing to go forward...Schweini, Ballack, Micho and Ze played a solid match, too.
I'm confident we'll go all the way through...to Paris, at the grand finale!

nachi88

10-19-2005, 02:20 PM

Absolute dominance. Juventus were never within touching distance in this one. It felt good to see Deisler at his effective best. Makaaay's finishing worried me a lot. He should have put away the two chances he had in opening minute and middle of second half with ease.

The return leg should be tougher, with Viera 'fouling beast' returning, nbut I am sure bayern can get away atleast with a point.

Lance Knight

10-19-2005, 11:14 PM

hey i was wondering where u guys was it was getting pretty lonely in here,

well anyway that was a totally wicked game, lol

Lance Knight

11-01-2005, 12:48 PM

Bayern set sights on winning group
31.10.2005

Bayern have set their sights on winning Champions League Group A as they prepare to set off for Wednesday's return against Juventus. The German champions are determined to follow up a stirring 2-1 victory at the Allianz Arena two weeks ago by coming away from the Stadio della Alpi with a result on Wednesday evening, preferably a scoreline guaranteeing a place in the knockout stage of Europe's elite competition.

"We've made it a firm goal to finish first," Bayern skipper Oliver Kahn declared ahead of Monday training at the Säbener Strasse. A draw would mean Felix Magath's men had done enough to settle the direct comparison with their Italian counterparts in their favour. "That would mean a home victory against Rapid Vienna would be enough to win the group," Kahn commented.

To the limit and beyond

However, the Bundesliga leaders know they will have to play better than Saturday's rather dilettante performance in Cologne. "But you always approach this kind of match with a completely different attitude," Kahn observed. "You know you'll only get through these crunch matches by giving it 120 percent," he continued.

"It's the highlight of the season," Willy Sagnol insisted, although the absence of in-form Roque Santa Cruz, a regular up front this season after a string of fine performances, is a major setback for the Reds. "It's a big blow," Sagnol confessed as he contemplated the Paraguay striker's serious injury, "he was in great shape."

Goals could come from anywhere

"We've lost a striker who was well on the way to reaching peak form," a concerned Kahn commented on the latest setback in Santa Cruz' up-and-down career. Both Sagnol and Kahn urged team-mates such as Claudio Pizarro and Paolo Guerrero to step manfully into the breach.

"We saw enough from Claudio in Cologne on Saturday to be confident he's heading in the right direction," Sagnol remarked after Pizza's bustling display as a half-time substitute. Added Kahn: "We all have the ability to score goals, we're not totally dependent on a single individual. That makes us difficult to contain."

The meeting with the "Old Lady" of Italian football would be a perfect stage for Pizarro and Roy Makaay to unload their recent frustrations, in which case the Reds could approach the remaining fixtures against Vienna and Bruges in relaxed mood. "It could certainly all go right all at once for Claudio and Roy, perhaps even on Wednesday," Kahn declared.

nachi88

11-02-2005, 10:51 AM

If Bayern fail to score in this game at Turin, then Juve will equal a record of 7 home games without conceeding a goal consecutively in CL.

Ivan7637

11-02-2005, 10:17 PM

Makaay and Pizarro Go shoot yourselfs.

That is all.

Lance Knight

11-03-2005, 02:07 AM

Makaay and Pizarro Go shoot yourselfs.

That is all.
lol, well it wasnt a that much of a bad game, lol desilar's free kick missed everyone and ended up in the goal, lol but yea our strike force kinda sucked out there today

Lance Knight

11-23-2005, 01:53 AM

Bayern Munich 4-0 Rapid Vienna:PA

MUNICH, November 22 (Champions League) - Bayern Munich booked their place in the last 16 of the Champions League demolishing Rapid Vienna at the Allianz Arena on Tuesday evening.

Goals from Sebastian Deisler, Ali Karimi and Roy Makaay (two) were more than enough to see the Bundesliga side home as they cruised into the next stage of Europe's top competition with one match still to play in Group F.

Juventus' 1-0 win over Club Brugge also helped the Germans on their way with the Serie A club joining Bayern in the next round.

• Magath purring after Bayern win

Felix Magath's Bayern side were without influential midfield duo Michael Ballack and Mehmet Scholl because of thigh injuries, although Ze Roberto had recovered from a knee problem in time for the clash.

Rapid travelled to Munich playing for pride alone with the Austrian side yet to win a point in the group following four successive defeats, including a 1-0 loss to Bayern at the start of the competition.

Coach Josef Hickersberger also had his share of injury problems with Axel Lawaree and Marcin Adamski both sidelined while defender Andreas Dober was suspended.

Despite their poor record in the Champions League, it was Rapid who caught the first glimpse of goal as Steffen Hoffman watched his 25-yard effort flash wide of the left post.

It did not take Bayern long to assert their authority however and the home side came close to scoring when Valerian Ismael nodded a Deisler corner inches past the target.

Makaay was the next to threaten for Bayern with a left-footed volley which flew over the crossbar and it was no surprise when the hosts finally did hit the target in the 21st minute.

Dutch international Makaay laid off a clever pass to Deisler who struck the ball low past Rapid goalkeeper Helge Payer to send the Allianz Arena crowd into a frenzy.

Having made the breakthrough, Bayern immediately looked to consolidate their lead and Ismael was guilty of wasting another header after Deisler had picked out the French defender in the area.

An unmarked Ze Roberto also missed the chance to double the German side's lead powering over the bar and Bayern were almost made to pay soon after when Radek Bejbl forced Oliver Kahn to make his first save of the match with a well-timed header.

Magath's men then came out guns blazing for the second half and within seconds of the re-start Claudio Pizarro had given Payer another warning with a close-range header which shaved the crossbar.

And there was little Payer could do about Bayern's second goal when it arrived in the 53rd minute with an inswinging corner from substitute Bastian Schweinsteiger deftly volleyed into the bottom left corner by Karimi.

Rapid's inexperience was on show for all to see but a rare foray into the Bayern half almost bore fruit midway through the period as Muhammed Akagunduz curled a shot past the right post.

Yet the hosts once more seized control and in the 72nd minute Makaay added a third, picking up a neat pass from Schweinsteiger before sweeping the ball past a helpless Payer.

The Austrians visibly crumbled and just three minutes later Makaay breached the Rapid defence again this time rounding the unfortunate Payer before slotting the ball into an empty net.

Rapid battled hard for a consolation goal towards the end of the match but luck was not with the Austrians as Kahn pulled off a finger-tip save to deny Akagunduz minutes from the final whistle.

• Magath purring after Bayern win

Bayern Munich coach Felix Magath could hardly have sounded more pleased after a 4-0 victory over Rapid Vienna took the German side through to the last 16 of the Champions League.

Sebastian Deisler scored for the third successive Champions League game, Iranian international Ali Karimi, playing in place of the injured Michael Ballack, capped a great performance with a goal and Roy Makaay added two in the second half.

Magath also had the satisfaction of seeing substitutes Bastian Schweinsteiger and Philipp Lahm make telling contributions as Bayern put aside talk of Ballack's possible departure at the end of the season.

"It was a night with a great many positive aspects for us," Magath said. "Sebastian Deisler played a class game, Schweinsteiger made a great contribution in the second half, Philipp Lahm made his Champions League debut for us, Roy Makaay played very well and scored two goals and Oliver Kahn gave us a clean sheet with outstanding reactions.

"I'm really very pleased."

Magath was particularly satisfied to see his players keep up the push for goals even while they were leading 4-0.

"We kept up the pressure, increased the tempo and created more and more chances," Magath said. "We were also pressing in the final phase of the game. It was a fair result but with luck we would have scored even more goals.

"We're now top of the group with Juventus and we have a 50-50 chance of winning it."

Bayern and Juventus have 12 points apiece and are definitely qualified, with the group leadership to be decided on the final match day when Bayern are away at Club Bruges and Juventus travel to play Rapid Vienna, who are bottom without a point.

Match Summary
21' Sebastian Deisler scores a goal
37' Valerien Ismael is awarded a yellow card
54' Ali Karimi scores a goal
72' Roy Makaay scores a goal
75' Marek Kincl is awarded a yellow card
76' Roy Makaay scores a goal
81' Willy Sagnol is awarded a yellow card
90' Radek Bejbl is awarded a yellow card
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a pretty good and easy win for the Reds, glad to see it