Is not Iran belong to Arab ?

[Dr.Oracle]

Guys, I'm so wonder this.

Iran is belong to west Asia which is called "MIDDLE EAST", obviously.
Why is not Iran belong to Arab ?
Although their religion & culture is different with other Arab countries,
we must devide by where their country located.

Of course Arab is belong to Asia, I know it.

But I think this is right Iranian users go to Arab soccer forum.
Or make a new Iran soccer forum in Arab Soccer forum.
(like Iraq Soccer forum)

I think this is one of the best solution.
Because Asia is most wide area in the world,
so it caused many trouble in Asia soccer forum.

What do you think about it, guys?

[Jager]

Iran is really an Asian country. Only 1/3 of Iran is in the "Middle East" they are considered Middle Eastern because of the Media and the news agencies around the world and lack of education in that regard.
They are not Arabs, actually the two dislike each other.
It's like calling someone from Eastern Afghanistan a Chinese though they may look similar physically they are different.

So you would be wrong if you think Iranian should go and post in the Arab forums or have their own forum. They have evey right to post here since they are ASIAN. ;)

Thank You.

[RedDevilZ]

No matter what.. ASIANS RULE...!! LOLLL

[Dr.Oracle]

To Jager

Of course They have evey right to post here since they are ASIAN.
But what do you think about Arab? Aren't they Asian?
Of course they are also Asian,too.

I'm not deny Iran is belong to Asia, I know exactly what their history is.

I think we have to devide West Aisa & East Asia ,at least in soccer forum.



Iran is really an Asian country. Only 1/3 of Iran is in the "Middle East" they are considered Middle Eastern because of the Media and the news agencies around the world and lack of education in that regard.
They are not Arabs, actually the two dislike each other.
It's like calling someone from Eastern Afghanistan a Chinese though they may look similar physically they are different.

So you would be wrong if you think Iranian should go and post in the Arab forums or have their own forum. They have evey right to post here since they are ASIAN. ;)

Thank You.

[nachi88]

Iran is really an Asian country. Only 1/3 of Iran is in the "Middle East" they are considered Middle Eastern because of the Media and the news agencies around the world and lack of education in that regard.
They are not Arabs, actually the two dislike each other.
It's like calling someone from Eastern Afghanistan a Chinese though they may look similar physically they are different.

So you would be wrong if you think Iranian should go and post in the Arab forums or have their own forum. They have evey right to post here since they are ASIAN. ;)

Thank You.

cant non asians post in this forum?????

[Dr.Oracle]

To Naachi88

You can, absolutely. ;)

To Jager

I think Iran is belong to Asia, of course.
I think also Arab is belong to Asia.

I mean..Iran & Arab are belong to west Asia,
so they must devided from east Asia.
They've caused many trouble with east Asia.

cant non asians post in this forum?????

[Lion Heart]

I think we have to devide West Aisa & East Asia ,at least in soccer forum.

And why exactly? :confused:

the point of this forum is to unite all asians together, and try to learn from each other. What would be the point of having east asia and west asia as 2 different forums, the west asians already know enough about their own and need to learn more about east asia, vice versa the east asians know more about themesleves than about west asians. We need to unite and come together, and by understanding each other better we can represent asia as one, and cheer for all asian teams in the world cup not only for east or west asian teams, depending on where we are from.

Go Asia!
BTW did anybody see the tsunami charity match? 2 asians played great, Mahdavikia of Iran made an assist, and Cha of Korea scored a goal! Good performance :)

[nachi88]

And why exactly? :confused:

the point of this forum is to unite all asians together, and try to learn from each other. What would be the point of having east asia and west asia as 2 different forums, the west asians already know enough about their own and need to learn more about east asia, vice versa the east asians know more about themesleves than about west asians. We need to unite and come together, and by understanding each other better we can represent asia as one, and cheer for all asian teams in the world cup not only for east or west asian teams, depending on where we are from.

Go Asia!
BTW did anybody see the tsunami charity match? 2 asians played great, Mahdavikia of Iran made an assist, and Cha of Korea scored a goal! Good performance :)

is this spirit of bonhomie only for aisan, or people form other parts of the world also can be included.

[Dr.Oracle]

Go, Asia..good slogan. :silly:

Also you've got peaceful-positive mind. it's good.

But I don't think we have to united, at least in soccer.

Why should Asian soccer fourm is just one ?
Look, Here is a lot of soccer forums,every each country.
I totally disagree with your opinion.

Why should we??

And why exactly? :confused:

the point of this forum is to unite all asians together, and try to learn from each other. What would be the point of having east asia and west asia as 2 different forums, the west asians already know enough about their own and need to learn more about east asia, vice versa the east asians know more about themesleves than about west asians. We need to unite and come together, and by understanding each other better we can represent asia as one, and cheer for all asian teams in the world cup not only for east or west asian teams, depending on where we are from.

Go Asia!
BTW did anybody see the tsunami charity match? 2 asians played great, Mahdavikia of Iran made an assist, and Cha of Korea scored a goal! Good performance :)

[Mani]

Guys, I'm so wonder this.

Iran is belong to west Asia which is called "MIDDLE EAST", obviously.
Why is not Iran belong to Arab ?
Although their religion & culture is different with other Arab countries,
we must devide by where their country located.

Of course Arab is belong to Asia, I know it.

But I think this is right Iranian users go to Arab soccer forum.
Or make a new Iran soccer forum in Arab Soccer forum.
(like Iraq Soccer forum)

I think this is one of the best solution.
Because Asia is most wide area in the world,
so it caused many trouble in Asia soccer forum.

What do you think about it, guys?
What the hell are you babbling about boy? Since when Iranians have become Arab to post on the Arab forum?

You need a better level of education boy! Most Iranians are Persian and speak Persian. Actually, Persians and Arabs are traditional enemies and usually fight each other, last time in the 1980s.

http://nmelrc.byu.edu/handbooks/persian2.html

What is Persian?

Iranian (also called Aryan) peoples first crossed the Indus river into the Iranian plateau almost 3000 years ago. The Persians have been the most influential of these peoples and their language has long since served as the common language among Aryans. The name Persian or Farsi is taken from the province of Fars in southern Iran. This region is the cradle of the Persian language and of the Persian empires of old. However, from their earliest days, the Persian empires were not merely Persian ethnic enterprises but conglomerate federations among various Aryan peoples. The name Iran is derived from “Aryan,� indicating a broader ethnic identity. The first Persian dynasty, the Achaemenids, began when Cyrus the Great united the Persians and the Medes in 550 B.C.E. Often, each people had their own king, while the Persian king was known as “king of kings of the Aryans.�

Thus the Iranian national identity has always been that of an ethnic federation and not a nation state. As a modern country, Iran was first known by Westerners as “Persia,� but Reza Shah Pahlavi officially changed it to “Iran� in 1935 to emphasize this difference. Since then, the name Irani or Iranian has come to refer to the civic identity of Iran as a country. The older Aryan remains a collective term for all ethnic groups who speak Iranian (Aryan) languages, many of whom, such as Pushtuns and Tajiks, are native to other countries.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1338091/posts

The Difference Between Iranians And Arabs
By Thomas Kayes

Many Americans seem to entertain the illusion that Iranians are Arabs. This may be due to the fact that many people in both communities practise Islam, which I'll mention below. Another coincidence that may have contributed to this confusion is the apparent similarity of the names Iran and Iraq. It is true that the Persian language and the Arabic share the same alphabet, namely the Arabic alphabet, which was imposed upon the Iranians centuries ago. But originally Persian had its own alphabet. Anyway, in Arabic script the names of the countries are entirely different, 'Iraq' beginning with the letter 'ain' and 'Iran' beginning with the letter 'alif'. The words 'Iranian' and 'Persian' are virtually synonymous, the former being the preferred term nowadays.

The Arabic word 'Iraq' means 'Veins' and, apparently, refers to the Euphrates and the Tigris Rivers.

But the clincher is that the word 'Iran' is cognate with the English word 'Aryan', as the Iranians are Aryan, that is, Indo-European, while the Arabs, as is well known, are Semitic, so ethnologically there's a definite disjunction. The Indo-European languages, which probably coincide in fair measure with ethnicity, are divided into Centum and Satem groups. Centum languages further divide into Germanic, Italic, Celtic and Greek, while Satem languages divide into Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian, Albanian and Armenian. Thus we find among Indo-European languages such widely divergent specimens as English, German, Spanish, French, Greek, Russian, Persian (Farsi), Hindi and many others. There are a great number of Arabic loan words in Persian, just as there are a great number of Latin loan words in English, but no one classifies English as an Italic language, nor should anyone classify Persian as a Semitic language. There are Persian loan words in Arabic too, but etymological dictionaries of the Arabic language are scarce, if they exist at all, and one is often left guessing which words might be from Persian.

Semitic languages are a subgroup of Afro-Asiatic languages. Only two strictly Semitic languages survive--Arabic and Hebrew. Extinct Semitic languages include Assyrian, Phoenician, Aramaic and others. Among languages in other subgroups of the Afro-Asiatic languages are Amharic, Tigrinya and Hausa of Ethiopia, Chad and Nigeria.

This ethno-linguistic disjunction is not merely an academic hypothesis. I have met many, many Arabs and Iranians, and there is a definite Arab look and a definite Iranian look. It's not infallible, of course, but I think I could probably tell them apart 75% of the time.

But even more conclusive is the historical aspect. Now we know that all ethnic groups must have sprung from primitive human beings, so likely they're all of great antiquity. But when we speak of 'history', we generally mean written records. And here we see that Persians appear on the scene much in advance of Arabs.

Generally, Persian history is said to have begun with King Cyrus the Great, who unified Persia and conquered vast tracts of land. He is also famous for liberating the Jews from captivity in Babylon around 538 BC, as is amply recorded in the Bible, in the Books of Isaiah, Daniel and Ezra. The next four Persian kings were Cambyses, Darius, Xerxes and Artaxerxes, all in the Bible. These names are all in the Greco-English spellings. Xerxes, whose name is Khashayarsha in Persian, Achashverosh in Hebrew and Ahasuerus in the English Bible, is vividly portrayed in the Book of Esther as the rescuer of the Jews from the persecutions of Haman, which is celebrated to this day by Jews as Purim, the Feast of Lots. All of these kings are also famous for their exploits in the Middle East, Anatolia, Greece and Egypt. Much later, another Persian king, Shapur I, defeated the Roman emperor, Valerian. And their have been many, many others.

In antiquity, Persia had various religious, such as Zoroastrianism, Mithraism, Mazdaism and Manichaeism, all to be largely supplanted by Islam. A more recent Iranian religion is the Baha'i faith.

As far as I know, the Arabs enter history around 305 AD, with the Nabataean Inscriptions, but these are scant. Their real entrance into history was the appearance of Mohammed (570-632 AD) Arabs conquered Persia in the seventh century, spreading Islam. Subsequently, in the 10th and 11th century, Turks took over the leadership of Islam, so Islamic history is not strictly the same thing as Arabic history. In the coming centuries Islam would extend its sway all the way from China and Indonesia to Spain. But the Ottoman Empire, once the world's greatest power, was a Turkish, rather than Arabic or Persian, Islamic Sultanate.

So Iranians are definitely not Arabs.
In conclusion, Iranians are as much Arab as the Koreans are Chinese! So by your logic, Koreans should be posting on the Chinese forum!

[Toke-E-Yo]

who cares? they know how to play decent game of futbol :rolling:

[Dr.Oracle]

To Mani

I already said..Arab & Iran, their culture ,lagauge is different each other.

Although their religion & culture is different with other Arab countries,

What I mean is..they are located too close, also they are belong to
same Asia zone by FIFA.

Persians and Arabs are traditional enemies and usually fight each other?
Who care? It's just your business. It is just sports,soccer.

I think you have to go elementary English school,
Because you just don't read sentence.
I reccomend you need to exercise for reading before write.

You got that?

ps..I read your past post which is blamed Korea,
so I know exactly you are same one like AstonIranboy.

[Mani]

What I mean is..they are located too close, also they are belong to
same Asia zone by FIFA
Well China and Korea are close too. How do you like to be called Chinese? Go to China forum! "Is not Korea belong to China" :yield:

This thread is a flame! Who are you to tell Iranians where they should post? This is no Korean forum it's an international forum! Learn to live with others!

I think you have to go elementary English school,
Because you just don't read sentence.
I reccomend you need to exercise for reading before write.
Listen racist prick! I don't need you to tell me to learn English when you hardly know a word of it!

[Dr.Oracle]

To Mani

Did you say "Racist prick" ?
Whey is racism sentence in my post?

You & Aston, 2 Iran boy always sticky "cheat","racist"..
Do you know just that words?

I can' believe it, your mind in your block head.
You two Iran boys always look Korea Performance down,saying cheat..

Anyhow, Is there any school in Iran?
Who taught you? Who taught just say cheat?
I really doubt your country's education environment.

Did you say "Learn to live with others!"?
hahaha I think you iran need that. Look at yourself.

I think I don't need talk to stupid iran boys anymore.

Mani & Astonvillafan2..this Iran boys always say cheat,
it will be your fate. What a pity. :bloody:

Dear All

I really sorry about it. I don't wanna make any trouble,
But this 2 iran boy make me annoy so much.
Let me stop it.


Well China and Korea are close too. How do you like to be called Chinese? Go to China forum! "Is not Korea belong to China" :yield:

This thread is a flame! Who are you to tell Iranians where they should post? This is no Korean forum it's an international forum! Learn to live with others!

Listen racist prick! I don't need you to tell me to learn English when you hardly know a word of it!

[sepidehh]

Hi Dr..
that Iranian boy behaved badly..something that I don't expect from Iranian boys..
Anyway ..Dr I want to say my opinion about your suggestion..I do not agree with you . we can share our opinions with each other which can be really useful and interesting for us..and if iranians have their own forum they can't enjoy and use your opinions anymore!

[nachi88]

mr.mani, astonvillafan2 and dr.oracle,

all u guys post intresting stuff, but the last couple of posts have just been abuse to and fro. Im not a mod, but when the mods see this they sure wont be happy. and the koreans will be in more trouble than the iranians because the mod here is an italian. :silly:

[Mani]

Anyhow, Is there any school in Iran?

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Did you say "Learn to live with others!"?
hahaha I think you iran need that. Look at yourself.

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I think I don't need talk to stupid iran boys anymore.

And you say you are not racist? Look at your own posts. They are full of hate and ignorance! :stop:

[Jager]

Come on guys, no need for calling names and being ugly. This is a football forum, if you can't discuss football please don't post. Both Countries have good people and bad.

why can't everybody be as nice as Tok E yo and Lion Heart? :rolleyes:

[AstonVillaFan 2]

Iran is pretty multi ethinical dude only 50 or 51% are true Persians in Iran.

[nachi88]

Iran is pretty multi ethinical dude only 50 or 51% are true Persians in Iran.

what about rest? they are kurdish?

[AstonVillaFan 2]

go to www.cia.gov and go to the info about Iran. It will give you a complete break down.

[Toke-E-Yo]

isnt that website a bit biased, considering that Iran is beefing wit the US rite now?

[Lion Heart]

isnt that website a bit biased, considering that Iran is beefing wit the US rite now?
How could they be biased when they are just stating some facts about Iran's size and population? :silly: lol, it is true only 51% of Iranians are Persians, the rest are turks, azeri, kurdish ect
Iranians can be black, white, brown or yellow. I'v been to Iran and each part of the country looks to have different looking kind of people! Heck I only speak a few words of parsi/farsi but even I could tell the accents on each part of the country differed. It is an interesting country indeed, and the people are extremely generous maybe the most helping in the world, the amount of free stuff I got there just for being a foreigner is unbelieveable! They wouldn't let me pay for food! Very nice people I would defenitly like to go back someday.

[AstonVillaFan 2]

lived for 2 years i thought what they did 2 women was disgusting beyond belief. I know farsi so its alright but I am not big fan of the country...Ya the website will be partially biased arn't most sites?

[RedDevilZ]

mr.mani, astonvillafan2 and dr.oracle,

all u guys post intresting stuff, but the last couple of posts have just been abuse to and fro. Im not a mod, but when the mods see this they sure wont be happy. and the koreans will be in more trouble than the iranians because the mod here is an italian. :silly:

The mod is Italian..??

LOOOOLL .hahahah.. shoot..!! we are dead..!! LOOOOOLL... ^^^^^

[Mani]

what about rest? they are kurdish?

Iran Demographics: http://www.answers.com/topic/demographics-of-iran

Population:
69,018,924 (July 2004 est.)

Ethnic groups:
Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%

Religions:
Shi'a Muslim 89%, Sunni Muslim 9%, Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, and Baha'i 2%

Languages:
Persian and Persian dialects 58%, Turkic and Turkic dialects 26%, Kurdish 9%, Luri 2%, Balochi 1%, Arabic 1%, Turkish 1%, other 2%

[nachi88]

Iran Demographics: http://www.answers.com/topic/demographics-of-iran

Population:
69,018,924 (July 2004 est.)

Ethnic groups:
Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%

Religions:
Shi'a Muslim 89%, Sunni Muslim 9%, Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, and Baha'i 2%

Languages:
Persian and Persian dialects 58%, Turkic and Turkic dialects 26%, Kurdish 9%, Luri 2%, Balochi 1%, Arabic 1%, Turkish 1%, other 2%

thanks for all the info.

[nnn400]

HI GUYS
I AM A NEW MEMBER HERE

WHATS GOING ON ? :eek:

ARE YOUS ALWAYS LIKE THIS?

ANY WAY, DR. WHY DID YOU PUT YOURSELF IN A CONTROVERSIAL SITUATION?

EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO POST WHEREVER HE/SHE WANTS

:stop: :stop: :stop: :stop:

[Dr.Oracle]

Hi buddy,

Maybe you are new, so you didn't read many past posts,& other forum.
Don't mention it,We had some problem,but now it's done.

Enjoy soccer forum,also I expect to meet arab soccer mania.

Welcome to Asian forum. ;)

HI GUYS
I AM A NEW MEMBER HERE

WHATS GOING ON ? :eek:

ARE YOUS ALWAYS LIKE THIS?

ANY WAY, DR. WHY DID YOU PUT YOURSELF IN A CONTROVERSIAL SITUATION?

EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO POST WHEREVER HE/SHE WANTS

:stop: :stop: :stop: :stop: