Should we sell Bechkam?

[ForcaMadrid]

I think, YES.
He is a very good player, but he just doesn't fit in REAL. His natural position is on right wing, but Figo is there and Robinho is coming. He cannot perform well as CM. He cannot shoot, nor even pass with his left leg if his life depends on that. I have seen him several time trying to take the ball to his right leg by no means in order to make a simple pass. this very often delays our counter-attack as he is most often the first person to take the ball from defense and move it forward to attack. The stupid cluase in his deal that he must play whenever he is physically fit means less choices for the coach. Guti can do better the CM as he is more verstile and works better with the ball. We need one DM. This means no place for bechkam unless he accepts to be benched,, and he doesn't.

To summarise, i think that the best solution for REAL is to sell him, buy a good DM, and start thinking for a playmaker to replace ZZ.

[ForcaMadrid]

LEON
I need your help here. I tried to do it as a poll with only yes,, and NO answers, but it didn't work.
would you be so kind to that for me?

[Prakash]

I agree with you. Beckham cant play anywhere alse accept as a right winger and real want to buy robinho so there wont be place for beckham anymore. If real get robinho then beckham should leave real madrid.

[Ify]

I don't think they should sell Becks! He services the front men a lot in a match. His pass success rate is brilliant and I have seen him whip in some beautiful crosses with his left foot.

[7becks7]

beckhams game has to get more consistant and refined if he wants to stay in the squad from a tactical point of view (and not commercial). Because beckham is a huge brand, and brings tremendous sales to the club, so I think they would be reluctant to sell him for those reasons. However, from a tactical perspective, I think that there are players that would do a far greater job in beckhams position, therefore after the acquisition of a DM, beckham should really fight to find his form if he wants to truly earn his spot in the starting XI.

[Leon of Silvren]

I don't think he should be sold, he's an active contributor to the team, you people know I defend him, and I know it's for something, because he gives the team things that any other could, and even less now, that finally it seems that a quality DM will be signed to play alongside him.

[ItalianBoy]

Sorry Leon but I just do not see how you can say that. I have stated my opinion already many times and YES is my answer. He is playing like garbage right now.

[Leon of Silvren]

I have stated my opinion many times before too, and that's what I think, they're just opinions.....

[Lance Knight]

why u people hating on beckham, he is doing a great job

[icy55]

to me. he is quite inconsistent.. there are times when he perfrom above expectations and there are also times where he perform way below expectations.. but unfortunately, especially this season, his performances were quite dreadful.. he is would still be a great player but not in la liga maybe more preferably in the EPL.. where he excels the most

[AstonVillaFan 2]

personally no... the way 2 solve reals probs are like this... lose Zidane!!!! He is still worth a good bit lets lose him and buy some young blood. Ok this is my plan have ronaldo and owen as forwards. Raul as OMF Beckham in right mid. Figo in mid. Some body in left defensive mid. Then we have Hegulara, Woodgate, Carlos, Samuel on Defence. Thats what i would do!

[ItalianBoy]

My solution is to stop Raul playing for some games and buy a DM like Essien. So the team would be.

Casillas
Salgado Woodgate Samuel Carlos
Becks Essien Zidane Figo
Owen Ronaldo

Logically Zidane would support the strikers and Figo and BEckham would lob in the area from the side. Essien would win the ball so that Samuel and Woody have to stricly worry about their own department. Salgado and Carlos would go up but not over mid.

[AstonVillaFan 2]

Salgado is iffy by the way did we sell Helgulera? Zidane is old cmon toss him already.

[Leon of Silvren]

I don't understand why you people keep saying Becks this, Becks that....before the injury, at the start of the season he was playing superb, he scored like 3 FK goals, but then the injury came and he declined his game, he'll recover but he needs time. Is normal that after an injury like that a player needs time to adapt again.

[7becks7]

I don't understand why you people keep saying Becks this, Becks that....before the injury, at the start of the season he was playing superb, he scored like 3 FK goals, but then the injury came and he declined his game, he'll recover but he needs time. Is normal that after an injury like that a player needs time to adapt again.
I think another problem with becks is that every single thing he does is under such public scrutiny, there are many players that have dips in form and that take some time to recover after an injury, but when it's beckham, people always take the opportunity to completely trash him and forget all the positive things that he does/done.

[Leon of Silvren]

He has too many haters, when he does something wrong those haters talk and talk, but when he plays good no one says nothing, why at the start of the season no one dared to talk about him??

[AstonVillaFan 2]

here is the formatoin 2 solve all of reals probs

casialis gk
saldago, samuel, Helgulera, woodgate rcb, cb, cb, lcb
Becks Totti! Figo Rm, cm, Lm
Raul Omf
Owen Ronaldo Forwards!

[Leon of Silvren]

I think that that formation will carry even more problems. Becks, Totti and Figo, neither of them defend! It's a huge gap there.....

Then Raul is not a natural playmaker, he's a forward, he does make good passes, and knows how to keep the ball, but from that to being a sucessful playmaker is a long way to go....

Besides, Zidane is not in the formation, but Figo and Totti are on it, all those things are very unlikely to happen.

[ItalianBoy]

Leaon, you are joking right. Becks Playing superb? I do not think so dude. # Freekicks mean nothign at all. His Real Madrid playing has never been over 6. Be honest Leon.

[Leon of Silvren]

You want me to be honest?? Ok, let me explain myself: This season has been very inconsistent for Real, playing good one game and screwing up the next one, first of all, Casillas is an exception in everything I'll say hereafter.

At the start of the season there was no one playing good, everyone was below 5, except for Becks, who since Week 1 was playing very eager, running all match long, seeking the ball, passing, marking, very active. He outstand among all his team mates, while everyone was in 5 he was in 7.5 or so, which is very difficult taking into account that he was the only one who was playing properly.

Now, after the injury -which was around late september, early october- he was starter in the first match, played bad and was subbed out, in the second match the same story, he played very well a game that Remon played him on the right flank, and after that he was on bench. Last game against Racing NO ONE played good, and you can't really expect Becks plays by his own again (coming from an injury, perharps in bad shape physically)

The bottom line: he hasn't played great, if you come out with an average of all games he has played it'll be below 5, but that's for understandable reasons, because he has played like 3-4 games really great. Now, you look at the 10 games he has been lame -which is the obvious thing- but I see those 3-4 games he played superb, that's why I say he has a lot to give to the team.

[icy55]

hmm.. against racing? i thought figo and zidane did a rather good job

[Leon of Silvren]

Figo did average, just like in almost every match, but Zidane played bad...

[ItalianBoy]

Leon, Tommasi had one great season in Roma and after that he started sucking badly. Players do that, especially when you have someone who is so used to one role, one tactic, one champ and all of a sudden you try and change him. That wont work, that would be like making Ronaldinho a CB, just wont work. Beckham was, is and can only be a right winger, trying to change him is dull and wont work and it has not worked until now so why do we insist on playing him like that?

[AstonVillaFan 2]

To be honest in my opinon we should be sellin figo and zidane! DMF is what we need honestly buying Gerrard is a good option! Hes young and talented!

[ItalianBoy]

Smart one Aston, sell Figo and Zidane and totally lose the creative side of the team, the one that serves Ronaldo and Owen to score. It will work for sure. Real needs to sell Beckham and buy a DM.

[AstonVillaFan 2]

FIGO AND ZIDANE ARE OLD!!! jesus italian boy... Zidane and figo arn't as sharp as the use 2 be.. Why not bring in Recoba to replace FIGO!!! FIGO IS LIKE RUI COSTA ITS OVER!

[Highway Penguin]

Nah. Figo is still here. Him, Casillas, and Helguera are our men who preform consistently. Zizou and Figo are still playing well. Zizou has his moments.

Anyways. Becks should be kept. The reason he isn't doing well is because of his position. Robinho can play anywhere in the midfield. Left, right, center, and he can player striker. So don't worry about that. Who says it's final anyways, was Vieira final. Member how it was said to be final and opps, never mind.

Casillas
Salgado Helguera Samuel Carlos
Guti - Figo
Becks - Zizou - Raul
Ronnie/Owen

Figo would a be more of a central mid. Zizou more of an attacking mid who supports Ronnie. Guti is a good defensive mid. I like him there. Anyways. That's my formation. And if Robinho comes, if he comes. He could be a fixed sub just like Owen coming on for Becks or Figo or Zizou or Raul. ;)

[icy55]

i think figo and zizou shold play till the very end.. they add this magical spark to the match that makes it really interesting to watch.. may it be their moves or their counter-attack.. i just love to watch them play.. but u cant deny that rui costa is good yah?

[Dado_Prso_09]

The only good thing beckham does for real is sell jerseys i think they should sell him he is under achieving for what they pay him

[RaulMadrid7]

Smart one Aston, sell Figo and Zidane and totally lose the creative side of the team, the one that serves Ronaldo and Owen to score. It will work for sure. Real needs to sell Beckham and buy a DM.

HAHAHA... ItalianBoy the person who has passed the most succesive passes that greated goals for Ronaldo is David Beckham who passes from the midfield all the way to the penalty box. I do agree with you that we should keep Zidane and Figo but Beckham should stay with Real Madrid because the people who should be getting in shape more are Ronaldo, Raul, Perez(lol.. from a bussiness point of view) and also buying a new Defensiuve midfield.

-------------------Ronaldo-----Owen---------------------

--------------------------Figo----------------------------

----------Guti-----------Zidane----------------Beckham--

-----Salgado----Samuel------Helguera-------Roberto Carlos-

-----------------------Casillas-----------------------------

[icy55]

-------------------Ronaldo-----Owen---------------------

--------------------------Figo----------------------------

----------Guti-----------Zidane----------------Beckham--

-----Salgado----Samuel------Helguera-------Roberto Carlos-

-----------------------Casillas-----------------------------[/QUOTE]
hmmm.. what about raul? figo taking raul place? actually figo is quite versatile.. he can play left right and centre.. in portugal he plays in the centre

[AstonVillaFan 2]

here is an interesting idea that doesn't cost a lot for madrid

Ronaldo Owen Forwards
Raul OMF
Guti and beckham lm rm
sry we need a dmf I see Gerrard as a good option a trade with Zidane would be good for both of us... WE could sell Figo for Recoba or maybe r. de mole i don't know if thats right but he is a young neatherland national.
for the back Woodgate Samuel Helgulera and Salgado... WE sell Carlos and try to affor a LM, DMF. look we sell Carlos, FIGO ANd ZIDANE DING DING DING lots of money to afford are new dmf and LM
oh ya Casalis plays goal keeper hes great

[Leon of Silvren]

All you guys are leaving the same gap....the centre mid, there's no defensive player there, I think that that's our main problem.

[Becks]

Why would you want to sell the player that in the eyes of many has out played a lot of the team?

[ItalianBoy]

Aston and whoever, guys, come on now, Beckham serving the goals and not Zidane and Figo? And Figo is 32; Recoba is 30 WOWOWOW big diff there. If you want to sell them, fine by me but 1) they are not over 2) replace them with young creative players. All Real needs to stop playing Raul, place Becks on the right and get a DM.

[icy55]

here is an interesting idea that doesn't cost a lot for madrid

Ronaldo Owen Forwards
Raul OMF
Guti and beckham lm rm
sry we need a dmf I see Gerrard as a good option a trade with Zidane would be good for both of us... WE could sell Figo for Recoba or maybe r. de mole i don't know if thats right but he is a young neatherland national.
for the back Woodgate Samuel Helgulera and Salgado... WE sell Carlos and try to affor a LM, DMF. look we sell Carlos, FIGO ANd ZIDANE DING DING DING lots of money to afford are new dmf and LM
oh ya Casalis plays goal keeper hes great

to me.. this plan is like selling almost half the galacticos.. but they are not our main problem.. our problem is a need for a DM. we dont really need the money even though they are really worth a lot.. but they are contributing to the team.. so hmmm.. i guess we shouldnt sell them just yet. but instead get a DM

[lallan]

to me.. this plan is like selling almost half the galacticos.. but they are not our main problem.. our problem is a need for a DM. we dont really need the money even though they are really worth a lot.. but they are contributing to the team.. so hmmm.. i guess we shouldnt sell them just yet. but instead get a DM

exactly, our galacticos r not the problem, get a CB(if Woodgate doesnt return we have 2 get some1), a sub 4 Carlos, a GREAT DM(nothing less than great), Robinho & a coach or sporting director who can have some authority over the players(hopefully Arrigo Sacchi is the 1) & then u will see a totally different team on the pitch, a winner all the way....

[AstonVillaFan 2]

Gallactos need new life in them ya Recoba is old true ok so how about this...

Roanldo Owen
Raul
perhaps totti or del piero or Wiltord Beckham
Gerrard maybe Roy Keane Titov is cheap Fnengeana beats me if thats the right spellin thats the best i can come up with ok..

Woodgate Samuel Helgulera Salgado

[ItalianBoy]

Totti and Del Piero are gonna leave just like that. You need to be reasonable and think players who could possibly come. Selling Figo and Zidane is not smart to me. Sell the real problem who is Beckham and get this DM once and for all. Recoba is old and inconsistent and a player real does not need at all. If you want new players get Robinho, Carvalho, Daniel Alves, Essien, Maxi Lopez, Mascherano, not Recoba.

[Leon of Silvren]

Figo is leaving anyway (almost for sure) so it's no use to discuss that, and Zidane is staying for a couple of years more so no use there either.

The player we need are Masherano or Gerard or Davids, Robinho or Totti, and a centreback or recover Woodgate. And Itaboy is right, you need to be reasonable. I could say we need Nesta, Cannavaro, Adriano, Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Vieira, Emerson....but what are the odds that they actually come??

[ItalianBoy]

Might wanna add Totti to the list. I heard Figo rumors but its not for sure. We just got to wait and see.

[Leon of Silvren]

Totti's on the list....I said 'Robinho or Totti'

And it's almost for sure he's leaving, or fired I would say.....

[ItalianBoy]

That is plain out silly mate. Totti is staying in Roma. I do not know where you get your info but I can assure you this one is wrong.

[Leon of Silvren]

From what I've read.....from Totti himself, he said that if Roma doesn't have a competitive team he'll leave, and the only club he has in mind in Real Madrid. He's been saying that since the beggining of season, and now he's starting to say it again.

[ItalianBoy]

Sorry but I know all about that. He said that he might have moved in the summer if Roma was not competitive. And now he said he wants to stay in Roma but with a competitive team. He also said that he does not want to leave and if he ever does he will explain to the fans why and it will be in extreme cases.

[Leon of Silvren]

Well I don't know about you, but I think Roma has no competitive team....

[ItalianBoy]

We have a very comp. first 11 but we lack subs.

[AstonVillaFan 2]

ok people are saying oh we can never get the poeple i suggested but we can trade zidane of figo look lets stop and think... we trade Figo for Gerrard

Ronaldo Owen
Raul
Guti Beckham.... People want Zidane to stay i don't know to be honest I want a Left Footed kick on the left so anyone got any ideas
Gerrard honestly I think we could get Solares to pay this position..
Defence we keep carlos till woodgate recovers then replace carlos for woodgate and buy some cheap subs.

[ItalianBoy]

Should I reply to that? It really is challenging.

[lallan]

Becks is not the problem also, I think the team needs a coach who has authority over the players(especially the galacticos) & who has the guts 2 rotate players & bench those who dont perform, besides the obvious, which is getting key players in DM, sub LB, RW & a CB(if woodgate doesnt recover)..

Totti might come 2 Real since he is thinking of leaving the team next season, but where will he fit in Real?

[RaulMadrid7]

Becks is not the problem also, I think the team needs a coach who has authority over the players(especially the galacticos) & who has the guts 2 rotate players & bench those who dont perform, besides the obvious, which is getting key players in DM, sub LB, RW & a CB(if woodgate doesnt recover)..

Totti might come 2 Real since he is thinking of leaving the team next season, but where will he fit in Real?

When Totti arrives to Real Madrid it will be a perfect match because he will help Ronaldo and Owen very well with his skills although Raul will most likely be benched or replaced with Owen in substitudes. And also if we get Gerrard by that time it would be very good.

---------------------Ronaldo-----Owen(or Raul)-----------

-----------------------------Totti-------------------------

---------Guti-------Gerrard-------Zidane-----------Figo----

-----Roberto Carlos----Samuel-------Helguera-----Salgado---

----------------------------Casillas--------------------------

[ItalianBoy]

For one thing you can forget Totti and second thing you have 12 players. :rolleyes:

[AstonVillaFan 2]

ok raulmadrid change your screen name because in all my years if Raul was missing his left leg. They would not put him on the bench if Totti comes h'll prolly play left mid or an interesting thing 2 do is have Raul play Left Mid and let Totti be OMF still though we lack DMF. Steven Gerrard works I doubt Liverpool would let him go unless we gave them someone lige FIGO!!!!
so i this solves are problems
Ronaldo Owen
Totti
Raul Beckham Zidane can be a sub
Gerrard
Woodgate Samuel Helgulera Salgado
Casillis

Carlos can be sub

We have good subs so I think this works.

[icy55]

hmmm.. to me gerrard is indeed very loyal to liverpool.. and since he has laready sign for another 2 years contract..there is a low possibility that we will come to real.. and by then figo is already 34.. there would be even lesser teams wanting him, and he may most possibly go back to sporting lisbon

[ItalianBoy]

You need to revise your posts Aston. Figo is one of those players you just do not give away like that. The problem here is not Figo but Beckham. Look to replace Figo is ok but avoiding the main problem is also foolish. You need to think about a player that is needed not about a name. Gerrard is good yes but you need to get reasonable. Essien is good young and reasonable. That is all RM needs a DM.

[AstonVillaFan 2]

Figo has 2 years of life in him max! Essien is not world class in my opinon he was ok in Russia but not in Real. Totti is gonna leave Roma if Real gives him and Roma a good offer. We just need a DM THATS IT I Will list some in acouple let me do some research? ok?

[AstonVillaFan 2]

ok here is a list of canidates in my opinion Aimar, Asamoah, Ballack, Belasie, Bowyer, Cassano, Denilson, Fnegegna, Fortune, Gallardo, Kewell, Diesler... Those are my canidates for are midfield problem... Honestly Gallardo in my opinion if a great choice.

[raul#7]

he is useless to be honest. he just can't play anywhere..
geroge best said that beckham can neither head nor has got pace. he can't score and can't beat anyone. other wise he is alright.
i want to thank best because he has defined beckham exactly the way he is.

[ItalianBoy]

Aston. Sorry man, but your view on Totti and Cassano and Roma is kinda too "channel 4". Essien in Lyon is doing well and in Real he can help big time. Deisler is the only one you need really. Figo has more than 2 years man.

[AstonVillaFan 2]

Gallardo and Aimar would be good dfs in my opinion and thats who i would want i would buy totti and and 1 of them whoever is cheaper which prolly Gallardo
Ronaldo Owen
Totti
Raul Beckham
Gallardo
Woodgate Samuel Hegulera Salgado
Casillais

This is world-class formation Diesler is great choice i totally agree but I want dm not midfielder.

[ItalianBoy]

Sorry man, but Gallardo in Monaco sucked so bad. He is a bad choice man. He is doing well now in ARG but like Ortega they fluke in Europe. Deisler is just gonna bench with Zidane and other att players and all you need is a DM.

[thetimbot]

Real Madrid are the new york rangers of soccer, all the talent in the world and totally unable to do anything with it.

1. keep beckham. He is a player who train hard and doesn't bitch.

2. trade ronaldo and carlos they both hold too much sway in the team and are examples of players who don't sit when they should.

3. Get more young, average players who will fight for a position and who actually have room to improve.

4. Find replacements for Figo and Zidane as well, there are younger more effective creative midfields in the world.

5. Get rid of Perez, find a president who lets his coaches coach and his managers do transfer decisions.


Look at the actual best players in the world today: Ronaldinho, Henry, Gerrard, Owen, rooney, van nistlerooy, adriano.... All of them have so much energy on the pitch you can feel it when I see Figo, Zidane, Raul, Roberto Carlos, and most of the time Ronaldo that energy is missing. They look slow, no emotion.

[AstonVillaFan 2]

I came up with an idea

Casialis
Woodgate Pavon Hegulera Samuel.... Thats right Samuel is replacing carlos
Salgado
Beckham Raul
Totti.... Honestly not my first choice but his contract is gonna be up and so is figos i sense a trade.
Ronaldo Owen...

[Boko]

why only 4 CB :confused: ? oh... I understand these are all we have :)
man y can't play woodgate (not enough technique) and samuel (too slow)as fullbacks and put salgado as DM he's too short

P.S. Why are we discussing this in this Thread when there is another about this topic

[AstonVillaFan 2]

Whoa Samuel slow ya right... Woodgate possibly not enough technique but Salgado being short cmon thats bogus argument.... We bought Woodgate god only knows why DAMN YOU PEREZ

[ItalianBoy]

It’s depressing to see so many clueless posts. :rolleyes:

[thetimbot]

haha I hope you aren't talking about me... because at least I'm bringing something fresh to the table. All that is ever mentioned when somebody talks about replacements for real madrid are super stars. Well guess what, it is pretty obvious throughout all sports that super stars aren't going to win you championships.

I take it nobody here watches hockey? Even if you take hockey's most offensivly productive team in the Ottawa Senators, they only have 3 or 4 players that could be considered stars and of those only 2 are real franchise players. Stars have egos and egos cause problems, a winning team is not one that has all the best players but instead has the players with the best combination of chemistry and skill.

When you look at Madrid there is no chemistry, no passion or joy of the game until you start to look towards your second string players. You look at Guti, Morientes, Owen, Solari... all are examples of players that show an obvious joy and desire to be playing there, not just state that they feel so in interviews. You compare their play to that of Roberto Carlos, Raul, Figo, Zidane, and even Ronaldo and you can see an obvious difference... they aren't as happy to be out there, the thrill is starting to diminish.

Its been a well documented fact that a happy team is one that will perform well. If team members are kept happy there are instantaneous results, they gel together better and they will work harder for their team. Think of when you were on a team and even though you knew you were better then someone you found yourself on the bench... how confident will you play or even practice? How long does it take for you to think there is no other option but to find a different team and leave.

This is Real Madrid. You have too many superstars who need to have their ego's pet. Too many players that cause a shit storm if they are benched. At the very least Real Madrid need a coach who plays the players that deserve to be played, there should be no such thing as an "untouchable" and we as fans should most definitly not have to live with the fact that certain players must be worked around. Players work around a team and a srategy, not the other way around, especially at a club like Real Madrid.

That is why I say can Roberto Carlos, Figo and Zidane. Replace them with players who don't hold that same invincibe status... you can trade for several good players in exchange for any of those three, ensuring you keep egos down and competition for places fresh. So please Italian boy, think twice about who is leaving a clueless post.

(ps: to those of you who are thinking "soccer isn't hockey" I will gladly demonstrate how across all sports the trend is the same)

[ItalianBoy]

You sent me a PM where you say "I replied to that asshole post of yours in the Beckham thread". For one thing, cool it. Second of all, I was talking about you in part but mostly the others. What I disagree with you in your first post is how you can say Ronaldo and Carlos have no emotion. In Soccer it can happen that even Real goes in bad periods. With a new coach the players you talk shit about might play great again. You cant just sell "like that". That is why your post to me is rubbish and there is no reason for you to PM me to let me know you replied to the "asshole" post.

I agree, stars are not the only thing in a team and I agree, yet you said to keep Beckham and sell Ronaldo and Carlos. Beckham is anythign but working hard and plays like crap. Ronaldo and Carlos with better tactics can deliver and you NEVER sell players like them. Sorry, but Hockey and soccer, you can post yourself to death. They are diff. sports. Period.

[thetimbot]

Yah your post was being an asshole cause you were being smug and superior... I kept my more colorful language to pm for a reason, so why don't you cool it.

Beckham is a player with the utmost in work ethic, although not skill wise a stuper star, he performs well at what he is supposed to do.

Roberto Carlos on the other hand is horrible at what he is supposed to do (see: defending) yet great and what sould be considered a secondary talent (see: Running forward). Ronaldo is a player who at the moment can be sold for more than he is worth... translation: I rather have 4 good players then one "great" player who is getting increasingly out of shape and isn't as concentrated on the game as he should be.

Granted, Ronaldo is a fantastic goal scorer. But he is a player that Real Madrid can do without, tell me why he is being played over Owen or Morientes when he hasn't done butt ***k lately? You are defending a player who has scored one or two more goals than someone who is a sub.

Never complain to me about a player being good or bad because of a coach... if Ronaldo plays like shit its because he is playing like shit, not because his coach is bad... he's old enough he doesn't need his hand held.

Hockey,Baseball,Basketball,Football,Soccer.... all examples of team sports where putting together a team of superstars more often than not results in that team falling apart because of egos. Lakers, Yankees, RED SOX even, Colts, Packers (circa 1996-97).... putting together top players does keep you at the top for long in any team sport. I said it last post and I say it again, you win with chemistry and too many big egos won't allow for that. I guarentee you run a similar set up to this and Madrid wins...

Owen Morientes
Raul
Helguara Zidane Guti Beckham

Samuel Woodgate Pavon

Casillas

Owen and Raul are interchangeable, mess around all you want there. This is done even without making one of the trades I was talking about (Zidane) and yet still you have a team that one paper is amazing and in actuality will perform well together.

[ItalianBoy]

For one thing, do not accuse me of acting superior when it seems to me that the one doing that is you. You are clueless IMO buddy. Ronaldo is a SUPER player, who was top scorer of La Liga in the last seasons. Beckham since he got to Real SUCKED. You keep Raul over Ronaldo and Carlos when the one who is real CRAP is Raul and Becks, to then act like you know what you are talking about.

Sorry, but coaches do make the diff. Maybe in Hockey its not like this, but in soccer, it is. You never know, maybe Lux being Brasilian, can bring back Ronaldo and Carlos. Players are people and they through phases, they too are humans. You can not sell players like that and kepp Raul and Beckham. That is utter nonsense.

[thetimbot]

You are missing the entire point....

If you trade Ronaldo alone, not only do you keep morientes(top scorer in champions league, knocked out Real Madrid last year) but you can solve defensive midfield and LB problems...

Coaches make a difference in how a team plays together, but as far as Ronaldo being in his slump... its up to him to drag himself out of it, nothing to do with a coach. Maybe he should lay off the coke.

Raul is being played out of position in my oppinion, plain and simple... he'd make a much better CAM then all out striker because vision is never lost with age and that is something he still has.

I refuse to even acknowledge Carlos, trade him while hes still worth something and get a defending defender. The last thing Madrid needs is anymore offense. Beckham is a player that motivates others with his spotless work ethic, hes also done bucket loads more for the team this year then Carlos. He fits well into the much needed "Average player" category, I state again: Beckham fits his purpose well while Carlos does not... we may as well not have a left back.

Quit focusing on the hocey reference, it was drawing a paralell to illustrate a Universal truth across all sports. If you don't get it by now you never will.

(ps: I am not your "buddy" so don't use it to talk down on me. Attack the argument, not me. Just because I haven't made posts here doesn't mean I don't know soccer so drop the holier then though bullshit.)

[ItalianBoy]

I got the points. I just plain out disagree totally with what you stated. If that is ok with you, I will drop it after this post.

Raul is not of my likings and Beckham to me is worthless in Madrid. I am a fan of Ronaldo and I think that Carlos and Ronaldo are class players that when used right make the diff.

[thetimbot]

I got the points. I just plain out disagree totally with what you stated. If that is ok with you, I will drop it after this post.

Raul is not of my likings and Beckham to me is worthless in Madrid. I am a fan of Ronaldo and I think that Carlos and Ronaldo are class players that when used right make the diff.


Agree to disagree then, though I'm willing to bet money on that formation I gave you... even more if I can replace Zidane with someone like a Xabi Alonso and helguera with a damien duff (very underated winger imo)

[AstonVillaFan 2]

ok boys stop fighting... First of all lets say we do sell Beckham who are we selling him 2!!!! Which club wants him and who are we gonna get to replace him... get me a good lb and a good lm and im happy Guti can be an OMF

[ItalianBoy]

thetimbot, you have your opinion and I disagree. Of course you can replace Zidane, but with Xabi Alonso? I do not think he is all that. And Duff is actually more a winger.

[thetimbot]

thetimbot, you have your opinion and I disagree. Of course you can replace Zidane, but with Xabi Alonso? I do not think he is all that. And Duff is actually more a winger.

Xabi is a hard working talented kid who can create and defends well. And Duff would replace helguera in my formation (plays left wing, only 3 defence) so it would look more like this.


Owen Morientes
Raul
Duff Xabi Guti Beckham
Woodgate Samuel Pavon

[ItalianBoy]

It seems you play out do not like certain players. I mean, that is the only reason I see for you to play 3 in the back, which is not very RM, and keep Raul and not play O FENOMENO Ronaldo.

[thetimbot]

It seems you play out do not like certain players. I mean, that is the only reason I see for you to play 3 in the back, which is not very RM, and keep Raul and not play O FENOMENO Ronaldo.

I don't like players who aren't good if thats what you mean. The reason Raul stays over O FEMININ Ronaldo is because Ronaldo wouldn't fit as a CAM, and I rather play owen and morientes up front.

Playing three in the back isn't very RM? What kind of an argument is that? Apparently using classic RM lineups isn't working...

3-4-1-2 works because of the MIDFIELD. Basically the defence loses the extra player in favor of a CAM which IMO is key for allowing strikers to open up. A strong midfield will take more than enough pressure off the D to make up for a player missing, I've played in this formation personally as a CB and LB and they were some of the most boring games for me.

[ItalianBoy]

I don't like players who aren't good if thats what you mean.

Look man, one thing is having opinions and one is to talk total gibberish. If you say that Ronaldo and Carlos Zidane Figo are no good players, when you field me Raul Morientes and Xabi over them, well, says a lot about your knowledge. Maybe you should check who was WC champ. in 02, top scorer in a WC ever, Pichichi in la Liga for more than one year etc. Just because Real started out not so great, you can not say they are not good and totally replace them. Thats nuts. And I mean we are talking about some of the best. :rolleyes: :rolling:

[thetimbot]

Look man, one thing is having opinions and one is to talk total gibberish. If you say that Ronaldo and Carlos Zidane Figo are no good players, when you field me Raul Morientes and Xabi over them, well, says a lot about your knowledge. Maybe you should check who was WC champ. in 02, top scorer in a WC ever, Pichichi in la Liga for more than one year etc. Just because Real started out not so great, you can not say they are not good and totally replace them. Thats nuts. And I mean we are talking about some of the best. :rolleyes: :rolling:


See THATS your problem, you can't drop what people have done in the past. Are you 12? Is that why all you seem to do is follow the sheep? Why you just try to insult? Figo is not the player he used to be, neither is Zidane... however Real Madrid are lucky enough to exist in a time where there are alot of people just like you around, looking for yesterday's best instead of today's or tommorow's. My team focuses on players who are younger, while retaining one player in each third who has experience.

And here is the part that may seem crazy... playing your best players in their positions!!

And for the record, Roberto Carlos is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen... hes a glory hog on a team that needs strong defenders more then anything. If I kept him on my team, it would be as left winger... but frankly I rather have damien duff over him.

[Leon of Silvren]

And for the record, Roberto Carlos is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen... hes a glory hog on a team that needs strong defenders more then anything. If I kept him on my team, it would be as left winger... but frankly I rather have damien duff over him.


You can't be serious....Carlos is by far the best left back in the world in the entire history of football, and he still is. Rivals have a tough time trying to attack for the left side, and if they pass him easy some time, is because Real doesn't have a proper centre mid who can support the wing backs and/or balance the midfield by helping on the mark.

[AstonVillaFan 2]

Lets see best Defenders of all time... Maldini, BeckenBaur, Roberto Baggio oh ya and guess who R CARLOS.

[thetimbot]

Lets see best Defenders of all time... Maldini, BeckenBaur, Roberto Baggio oh ya and guess who R CARLOS.

Every game I've watched Carlos hasn't done much of anything. 99% of his fans just think hes great cause he hits a strong free kick, but technically it's my oppinion that at least now a days he just isn't any good. Ashley Cole is a far better technical defender than Carlos as one example.

Madrid and it's fans has been far too much about the biggest names. This is the argument I've made from the beginning and the reason behind what may seem like crazy trades. People have built up Figo, Zidane, Carlos, Raul, Ronaldo, etc... to the point where even though they don't perform anymore they are still hailed as the best. There is quiet a list of people that these players now drag behind in actual output, they are yesterday's stars. Real Madrid has the most appauling history in relation to finding young stars that have potential to grow into a team. Instead, they go and find big names that are used to having a team built around them and it works for a little while before falling apart.

THAT is the argument I've been making from the start and everyone challenging it has simply looked at who I said should go out the door and focus simply on that. The last two years are on my side, and everyone knows that the present and future are all that really matter. You have to be able to accept that this isn't a slump.

[AstonVillaFan 2]

Ashley Cole is great and young but Man U would never release him unless Madrid gave up someone really good

[thetimbot]

Ashley Cole is great and young but Man U would never release him unless Madrid gave up someone really good


I bet they could trade roberto carlos for him...

Madrid has alot of people that dont gel together that can be great trade pieces.

[7becks7]

Lets see best Defenders of all time... Maldini, BeckenBaur, Roberto Baggio oh ya and guess who R CARLOS.

Are you sure it's wise putting baggio as one of the best defenders of all time ? :rolleyes:


Ashley Cole is great and young but Man U would never release him unless Madrid gave up someone really good

Ashley Cole plays for Arsenal, not Man U

[AstonVillaFan 2]

I know i didn't feel like editing though my bad thought it was common knowledge wow anyway if Alex was dumb enough to trade Cole for Carlos I would well lets just say somethin really nasty and stupid.

[RaulMadrid7]

I know i didn't feel like editing though my bad thought it was common knowledge wow anyway if Alex was dumb enough to trade Cole for Carlos I would well lets just say somethin really nasty and stupid.

Aston, I like your posts but can you use Commas or at least periods? Becuase I have to keep going back every "sentence" to figure out where to stop and pause.

lol thanks.

[AstonVillaFan 2]

Punctuations are for loser! Just kidding Raul next time when I post I will you punctuation.

[ItalianBoy]

Are you 12? Is that why all you seem to do is follow the sheep? Why you just try to insult?
Funny how you say that I insult right after you insulted me. For one thing I did not insult you. And sorry, but your gibberish later on is not even worth answering, as in it shows you lack knowledge mate. Raul over Ronaldo is only for fools. You can have your opinions, I keep mine.

[AstonVillaFan 2]

I prefer Raul over Ronaldo but only in midfield i don't like raul has forward he should be an omf

[ItalianBoy]

Whoever says that Raul is better than Ronaldo clearly has not idea of what they are talking about. Think whatever you want about me, but if you only knew what Ronaldo did and only knew what Ronaldo does do over Raul, you wouldnt say that.

[Highway Penguin]

ItalianBoy, he wasn't saying that Raul was better, he just said that he prefered Raul in the midfield.
I like Ronnie upfront.
Why are we talking about Ronnie and Raul, and how Real players are old, in a thread talking about Selling Becks??
Then about Carlos and Cole. Talk about off topic.

[ItalianBoy]

Anymore obvious things you got to tell me?

[Balmung]

No time to read all 8 pages. So, I will get right to my opinion.
No, as in no to selling Beckham.
He may not be as good as the other players in the Real squad, but he is a decent midfielder and is better than any other average midfielders. So, as long as Real has the money to pocket his salary, why not have an extra above average midfielder as a first teamer or bencher, which ever the coach sees fit.

[devious]

just but him on the right and see what he can do.
Beckham won`t go anywhere else, I think he`ll quit in Real.

[Lance Knight]

on another note should I sell beckham form my team in the master league

[thetimbot]

Funny how you say that I insult right after you insulted me. For one thing I did not insult you. And sorry, but your gibberish later on is not even worth answering, as in it shows you lack knowledge mate. Raul over Ronaldo is only for fools. You can have your opinions, I keep mine.


Go on ahead and read your posts over again... I've noticed you routinely forget what you've said in the past in every thread your on. Not to mention you once again jumped right over the entire point, you're starting to make it a habit.