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serb01
12-23-2004, 03:06 AM
Football, blood and war

They took their cue from the English - and became Europe's most feared hooligans. With their close links to Arkan and his murderous paramilitaries, Serbian football fans are the only supporters whose hatred sparked a bloody national conflict. Now their country has been paired with Bosnia in the World Cup. Dave Fowler meets the gang leaders in Belgrade as they prepare for another violent campaign

Sunday January 18, 2004
The Observer

Whenever Red Star Belgrade meet their local city rivals Partizan, the atmosphere is rancid with hatred and aggression. Their rivalry is as fierce and embedded as any in world football. But on the afternoon of 22 March 1992, when Partizan visited Red Star's 60,000 all-seater 'Maracana' stadium for a routine league match, something strange happened. Before the game, as the fans began making their way to the stadium from across the city, there had been sporadic outbreaks of fighting and violence. Inside the stadium, once the game had started, the Red Star 'ultras', massed in the north stand, began taunting the supporters of Partizan, denouncing them as 'faggots, Turks, Muslims, blacks, communists'. There was nothing unusual about any of this and no doubt the hooligan gangs of both clubs were eager for more trouble after the game.
Then, abruptly, the chanting stopped. The crowd watched as a group of Serbian paramilitaries (the self-styled 'Tigers'), dressed in full uniform, took up positions in the north stand. There were about 20 of them and, one by one, they held aloft road signs: '20 miles to Vukovar'; '10 miles to Vukovar'; 'Welcome to Vukovar'. More road signs were brandished, each one bearing the name of a Croatian town that had fallen to the Serbian army. From high up in the stand, Arkan, the notorious commander-in-chief of the Tigers and director of the Red Star supporters' association, emerged to receive the delighted applause of supporters who were no longer fractious but united in hatred of a common enemy - the Croats. The match continued, but what took place had less to do with sport than with ardent nationalism and with what it meant to be a football supporter in a country at war.

As Serbia moves uneasily towards a kind of western-style democracy, the Belgrade derby of 22 March 1992 is remembered now as a celebration of Serbian hooligan power and of a time when Serbian hooligan gangs seized control of football and of the criminal underworld, as well as committing some of the worst atrocities during the wars of secession in former Yugoslavia. It was a time when the Serbs of Belgrade became, unequivocally, the most powerful football hooligans in history.

'Looking back today at that particular match, it is ironic that the result never mattered,' says Igor Todorovic, a Serbian football commentator and contributor to the fanzines Daj Gol (Goal), Mi Smo Grobari (We Are Partizan) and Kop. 'I was there that day and it was remarkable when the supporters of the two teams, who hate each other so passionately, cheered together in unison. They had never done so before and I don't think they have since. The game finished goalless, which was hardly surprising. The players could barely concentrate; most of the Red Star players were watching what Arkan was doing in his box, not what the opposition were doing in theirs. We were united by nationalism and hatred of the Croats. There was an amazing sense of power within the ground, as if football supporters were changing the world. And in a sense they were, even if the situation was never to be repeated, even during the Kosovo conflict.'

Today, the hooligans of Belgrade may not be as powerful as they were during the Balkan wars, but they remain among the most violent and racist in world football. I have been to games in Belgrade where the violence between supporters was worse than anything I have witnessed in England, or indeed anywhere outside the former Eastern bloc. The violence is not restricted to football: Partizan and Red Star have affiliated clubs in other sports, such as basketball and handball, which are infected by hooliganism. Sometimes rival fans unite to disrupt public events, as they did when they smashed up Serbia's one and only attempt at a gay pride festival in 2001.

On 29 May 2003, I attended the Serbian cup final between Red Star Belgrade and Sartid of Smederevo, a small industrial town 20 miles south of the capital. The game was played in Belgrade at the Partizan Stadium. This should have been as unthreatening as a match between, say, Manchester United and Brighton & Hove Albion, which meant that I was not expecting any trouble. I was naive. Inside the stadium as many as 7,000 hard-core ultras from Red Star's north stand were massed together, chanting in unison. Theirs were catchy little numbers: 'We hope you die like all those Italians at Heysel'; 'You're going to get your ***king head stamped on like a Kosovan'.

At the other end of the stadium, a group of about 400 bewildered Sartid fans banged their drums. The game was dull, but ended disastrously for Red Star when Sartid scored a golden goal to win the cup in extra time. Hundreds of riot police and others on horseback responded to the agitation of the Red Star supporters by moving quickly to prevent them invading the pitch. But several hundred ultras escaped to attack the Sartid supporters; meanwhile, others were outside destroying the team bus of their own defeated team. Soon I found myself surrounded by Red Star supporters, dressed in red and white, who were pouring petrol on to plastic seats and setting them alight. Many were carrying knives and iron bars. The sense of violence about to erupt was intense.

The ultras of Red Star - the Delije or heroes - are the most feared, organised and uncompromising of the Serbian hooligan gangs. One of the founders of the Delije is a thin, silver-haired maths teacher called Zoran Timic. To meet him is to meet the antithesis of the stereotypical beer-bloated, shaven-headed English hooligan. He is pensive, quietly spoken and slight. When we go to a bar he mocks my English taste for beer and orders himself an iced cappuccino. Yet it is his role at games to 'choreograph the crowd', which, as he told me when I visited him at the official offices of the Delije at the stadium, he does enthusiastically with the aid of a megaphone. That the Delije have their own official offices is, in relative British terms, a bit like Roman Abramovich opening an office at Stamford Bridge for the Chelsea Headhunters. But then Chelsea, unlike Red Star, do not pay a hard-core of fans to travel to games and arrange choreography. Nor do they provide the 'boardroom' table around which hooligans plot attacks on rivals at home and abroad - something to which the Red Star hooligans are happy to admit and discuss.

The mood at the offices is one of suspicion mixed with bravado. It lifts when I tell them that I am a third-generation Liverpool fan. The Delije ask to see my tattoos. I tell them they are on my heart, which disarms them temporarily. They ask me if I was at Heysel. I wasn't, but I can give them details of what happened, which satisfies their blood lust. There is among the young Delije leaders, drinking free lager from the club bar and smoking cigarettes, a certain respect for the English hooligan. 'English fans don't have offices because all they do is fight,' says Marco, one of the young leaders, who refuses to concede that he is a hooligan. 'We organise the best choreography in the world. We're not just hooligans; we are ready for anything. For example, we showed those English homosexuals from Leicester how to fight a few years ago. We met them in the Uefa Cup and ran them in Leicester and again when we met up with them later in the year in Germany. We think that in England you don't realise how tough the Serbs are. We respect the English as the founders of hooliganism, but where are you now? Other nations have overtaken you.'

Padja, another young Delije leader, explains how he is responsible for smashing up the Red Star players' cars whenever they perform badly. He carries a handgun under his jacket and boasts of how he recently destroyed the car of Red Star's captain, Nemanja Vidic, after he appeared in a fashion shoot with the captain of Partizan. 'If you now have Kosovan refugees in your country,' he says, turning to me, 'it's your own ***king fault because you didn't let us finish the job. Now, they're all taking your money and your state benefits.'

Apart from a brief spell when he fell out of favour with Arkan, Zoran Timic has been Red Star's choreographer and mentor to young hooligans for much of the past decade. Away from football and teaching, he works on a history of Red Star, which he researches from a small room in his flat in north Belgrade. 'Football was a base for people to rebel against communism in Yugoslavia,' he told me. 'Most Red Star supporters were already very nationalist. What we did at the end of the 1970s was to take the choreography from Italian football and the hooliganism from England and mix it together to create our own style of football anti-communism. Hooliganism became a way of showing that we were free; of resisting the communist regime.'

The old multinational Yugoslav league, with its nationalist rivalries that communism could never fully suppress, was consistently marred by hooliganism. At first, the state-controlled media were reluctant to report on the growing hooligan menace. But then, on 14 September 1978, the country's first full-scale football riot took place when a train carrying Partizan supporters to a game against Sarajevo was halted by police at Sid in Croatia. The Partizan fans responded by demolishing the train. The violence spread to the town itself and the fans fought running battles with the authorities for many hours.

'You have to realise that the establishment may have been communist and pro-Yugoslav,' explains Igor Todorovic, 'but football fans in the main were not. Partizan fans might hate Red Star but, at the end of the day, they are still Serbs. One of our most famous sayings here is that "Serbs united will never be defeated". We take that sentiment very seriously.'

Throughout the late 1970s and early 1980s, the football grounds of Yugoslavia became popular places for nationalist recruitment. In May 1980, when the Yugoslav head of state, Marshal Tito, died, leaving behind no obvious unifying successor, nationalists, both in Serbia and Croatia, understood how they could use football to further their own ends. Nationalist football violence escalated in tandem with the crumbling of central control. The 'Gravediggers' of Partizan rampaged to the sound of British punk bands; the Red Star ultras attacked rival fans using bayonets and iron bars. In Croatia, one hooligan leader kidnapped a supporter of Hajduk Split and raped him with a broom handle over a period of two days. (so wrong)

By the early 1990s, hardline nationalist and anti-government sentiment was so entrenched among supporters that battles with police before and after matches were weekly events. On 13 May 1990, Red Star travelled to Croatia to meet Dynamo Zagreb, in what would be the last game before the collapse of the old Yugoslav league and with it the state itself. In what have been described as the worst scenes of football hooliganism witnessed in Europe, thousands of Delije fought the Zagreb 'Bad Blue Boys' mob, as well as the local police. The game - a portent of the wars that followed - was abandoned after 10 minutes, but not before Zagreb's best player, Zvonimir Boban, who later joined AC Milan, kicked a policeman who was trying to prevent Croatian hooligans from attacking the Red Star end. After this, the fighting went on for more than an hour and the stadium was eventually set on fire.

Some time in 1990, Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic became so concerned by the activities of Red Star's Delije that Jovica Stanisic, the former head of state security who is now on trial for war crimes at the Hague, enlisted Zelijko Raznatovic - Arkan - to help control and direct the violence of the hooligans. Arkan, a criminal and agitator who was eventually assassinated on 15 January 2000, understood that Red Star could be for him what Real Madrid were for Franco, or the Italy team, playing in black shirts, were to Mussolini - a force of power and influence in wider society.

Arkan took over effective control of the Delije, running everything from ticket sales to foreign travel and intimidation of match officials. He built himself a luxury mansion overlooking the ground, a post-communist exercise in shiny marble and smoked glass topped with satellite dishes. Within a year, he began to recruit and organise groups of nationalists - the notorious paramilitary Tigers - to fight the 'patriotic' war in Croatia and, later, in Kosovo. The wars in these territories were as much about business as they were about politics. By invading, looting and setting up monopolies in oil, alcohol and cigarette companies, Arkan and his employers grew wealthy while ordinary Serbs struggled. Arkan recruited extensively from the north bank of the Maracana. Hundreds of hard-core fans took pride in joining his disciplined, clean-shaven mobile killing squads. But not all Tigers were Delije; many were Partizan Gravediggers.

One Red Star supporter, Dejan Vukelic, whom I met in a coffee shop in central Belgrade, explained how he was in China 'living above a brothel and taking full advantage' when the Balkan war broke out. He returned home to fight in the Yugoslav army, only to find the demoralised communist force in disarray. It was while he was in the army that he heard about Arkan's training camp. 'I went straight to Arkan's people in Croatia,' he says. 'As a nationalist I thought it was my duty to be there. At first, I was impressed with the order and the sense of discipline. The training was good and the emphasis on cleansing the Croatians and Muslims from Serb territory was essential. But I didn't witness the atrocities that the Western media talk about. I didn't see much criminal behaviour...'

Many of Arkan's paramilitaries are now back in Belgrade and once more involved in sponsoring crime and violence, before, during and after matches. To these disaffected men and their younger, admiring brothers, football is war and war is football. Can they ever be stopped?

Zeljko Tomic, a member of Serbia's Parliament, is a 36-year-old committed fan of Partizan Belgrade and a voice of sanity in the disturbed world of Serbian football. 'The first thing we need to do is tackle the problem of corruption in our football,' he says. 'If we continue to sell off our best players in scams there will never be any money in our football and the game will remain at a low level. When Partizan sold Mateja Kezman to PSV Eindhoven, for example, we were supposed to be sent new floodlights by Philips, the owners of PSV, but theywent missing en route. That kind of deal where someone pocketed all the cash for himself - at the club's expense - is typically Serbian.

'The other main area we have to address is violence at sporting events, particularly football. Over the past season the hooligan issue has not improved, with vicious fighting between fans of Partizan and Red Star, and with these fans and the police. All matches in Serbia are affected in one way or another. We have to reverse the situation.' Can you succeed?

'I don't know,' he says,cautiously, 'but we must try. The government has recently introduced a law to combat hooliganism, and I backed it. We are starting to make some progress.'

The violence among Serbian football supporters is not as extreme as it was in March 1992 when the Tigers invaded the north stand of the Maracana to display their road signs, their trophies of war. But the violence remains, as does the pervading fear among supporters. Fortunately, Serbs have never supported their national team, Serbia and Montenegro, with anything approaching the fervour they reserve for their clubs. That may change soon, however, if Montenegro, as expected, finally ends its uneven union with Serbia following a referendum later this year. The hooligans may then gather behind a united, fully Serbian national team. If and when this happens, the world of football had better watch out.

Serbia have been drawn with Spain, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Lithuania and San Marino in Group Seven of the European phase of qualification for the 2006 World Cup in Germany.

Its an old article but well worth reading if your into football....there is one more article..ill try and find it :pirate:

Natasa
12-23-2004, 01:24 PM
How stereotypical!? Why are the Serbian crowds always considered bad?

Those Celtic and Rangers fans are something to fear.

mala_srpkinja_uk
12-23-2004, 03:30 PM
lol thats well wkd!!!!! it wer in a magazine or summet :D

i read it wen it came out


in the UK the most feared fans r frm MILLWALL in london there scary


what team does every1 support partizan or crvena zvezda????

serb01
12-23-2004, 04:28 PM
lol how is that steriotypical.. we delije shit on the celtic and rangers fans...what r u on about..look at our groups..look at the choreography we have in games n shit... no1..except some south american teams can compare to us.. #1!!! www.delije.net click on audio/video also tekucna sezona for some of the material :)

SERBO4LIFE
12-30-2004, 06:16 AM
that ***ked i had no idea

dejan

serb01
01-01-2005, 03:42 AM
lol thanks for that insight dejan..shame i cant say the same about vojvodina fans :smoking:

SERBO4LIFE
01-01-2005, 05:30 PM
hahaaha our city's not as bog...you have more hooligans to pick from lol

dejan

serb01
01-02-2005, 01:59 PM
lol we have fans from all over serbia..not just bgd.. :smoking: but ur a small club..

Slavenik
01-09-2005, 07:16 PM
And not only Serbia, Macedonia too ;)

That was an interesting article. But on top, its a shame. This sort of articles make Ex-Yu look pretty bad.

We are all pationate for football, we all know to over-exagerate at times, but someone is trying to demonstrate it to the world in the most cruel way(taliking about the world media)

bbrs (teja)
01-24-2005, 06:30 PM
hey read articles no fans like red star ones!!!!!! mi smo cigani najaci smo najaci!!!! a lesctier city fans said bow down be4 the serbs make u...

Milos_
06-11-2005, 03:53 AM
undefinedundefinedFootball, blood and war

They took their cue from the English - and became Europe's most feared hooligans. With their close links to Arkan and his murderous paramilitaries, Serbian football fans are the only supporters whose hatred sparked a bloody national conflict. Now their country has been paired with Bosnia in the World Cup. Dave Fowler meets the gang leaders in Belgrade as they prepare for another violent campaign

Sunday January 18, 2004
The Observer

Whenever Red Star Belgrade meet their local city rivals Partizan, the atmosphere is rancid with hatred and aggression. Their rivalry is as fierce and embedded as any in world football. But on the afternoon of 22 March 1992, when Partizan visited Red Star's 60,000 all-seater 'Maracana' stadium for a routine league match, something strange happened. Before the game, as the fans began making their way to the stadium from across the city, there had been sporadic outbreaks of fighting and violence. Inside the stadium, once the game had started, the Red Star 'ultras', massed in the north stand, began taunting the supporters of Partizan, denouncing them as 'faggots, Turks, Muslims, blacks, communists'. There was nothing unusual about any of this and no doubt the hooligan gangs of both clubs were eager for more trouble after the game.
Then, abruptly, the chanting stopped. The crowd watched as a group of Serbian paramilitaries (the self-styled 'Tigers'), dressed in full uniform, took up positions in the north stand. There were about 20 of them and, one by one, they held aloft road signs: '20 miles to Vukovar'; '10 miles to Vukovar'; 'Welcome to Vukovar'. More road signs were brandished, each one bearing the name of a Croatian town that had fallen to the Serbian army. From high up in the stand, Arkan, the notorious commander-in-chief of the Tigers and director of the Red Star supporters' association, emerged to receive the delighted applause of supporters who were no longer fractious but united in hatred of a common enemy - the Croats. The match continued, but what took place had less to do with sport than with ardent nationalism and with what it meant to be a football supporter in a country at war.

As Serbia moves uneasily towards a kind of western-style democracy, the Belgrade derby of 22 March 1992 is remembered now as a celebration of Serbian hooligan power and of a time when Serbian hooligan gangs seized control of football and of the criminal underworld, as well as committing some of the worst atrocities during the wars of secession in former Yugoslavia. It was a time when the Serbs of Belgrade became, unequivocally, the most powerful football hooligans in history.

'Looking back today at that particular match, it is ironic that the result never mattered,' says Igor Todorovic, a Serbian football commentator and contributor to the fanzines Daj Gol (Goal), Mi Smo Grobari (We Are Partizan) and Kop. 'I was there that day and it was remarkable when the supporters of the two teams, who hate each other so passionately, cheered together in unison. They had never done so before and I don't think they have since. The game finished goalless, which was hardly surprising. The players could barely concentrate; most of the Red Star players were watching what Arkan was doing in his box, not what the opposition were doing in theirs. We were united by nationalism and hatred of the Croats. There was an amazing sense of power within the ground, as if football supporters were changing the world. And in a sense they were, even if the situation was never to be repeated, even during the Kosovo conflict.'

Today, the hooligans of Belgrade may not be as powerful as they were during the Balkan wars, but they remain among the most violent and racist in world football. I have been to games in Belgrade where the violence between supporters was worse than anything I have witnessed in England, or indeed anywhere outside the former Eastern bloc. The violence is not restricted to football: Partizan and Red Star have affiliated clubs in other sports, such as basketball and handball, which are infected by hooliganism. Sometimes rival fans unite to disrupt public events, as they did when they smashed up Serbia's one and only attempt at a gay pride festival in 2001.

On 29 May 2003, I attended the Serbian cup final between Red Star Belgrade and Sartid of Smederevo, a small industrial town 20 miles south of the capital. The game was played in Belgrade at the Partizan Stadium. This should have been as unthreatening as a match between, say, Manchester United and Brighton & Hove Albion, which meant that I was not expecting any trouble. I was naive. Inside the stadium as many as 7,000 hard-core ultras from Red Star's north stand were massed together, chanting in unison. Theirs were catchy little numbers: 'We hope you die like all those Italians at Heysel'; 'You're going to get your ***king head stamped on like a Kosovan'.

At the other end of the stadium, a group of about 400 bewildered Sartid fans banged their drums. The game was dull, but ended disastrously for Red Star when Sartid scored a golden goal to win the cup in extra time. Hundreds of riot police and others on horseback responded to the agitation of the Red Star supporters by moving quickly to prevent them invading the pitch. But several hundred ultras escaped to attack the Sartid supporters; meanwhile, others were outside destroying the team bus of their own defeated team. Soon I found myself surrounded by Red Star supporters, dressed in red and white, who were pouring petrol on to plastic seats and setting them alight. Many were carrying knives and iron bars. The sense of violence about to erupt was intense.

The ultras of Red Star - the Delije or heroes - are the most feared, organised and uncompromising of the Serbian hooligan gangs. One of the founders of the Delije is a thin, silver-haired maths teacher called Zoran Timic. To meet him is to meet the antithesis of the stereotypical beer-bloated, shaven-headed English hooligan. He is pensive, quietly spoken and slight. When we go to a bar he mocks my English taste for beer and orders himself an iced cappuccino. Yet it is his role at games to 'choreograph the crowd', which, as he told me when I visited him at the official offices of the Delije at the stadium, he does enthusiastically with the aid of a megaphone. That the Delije have their own official offices is, in relative British terms, a bit like Roman Abramovich opening an office at Stamford Bridge for the Chelsea Headhunters. But then Chelsea, unlike Red Star, do not pay a hard-core of fans to travel to games and arrange choreography. Nor do they provide the 'boardroom' table around which hooligans plot attacks on rivals at home and abroad - something to which the Red Star hooligans are happy to admit and discuss.

The mood at the offices is one of suspicion mixed with bravado. It lifts when I tell them that I am a third-generation Liverpool fan. The Delije ask to see my tattoos. I tell them they are on my heart, which disarms them temporarily. They ask me if I was at Heysel. I wasn't, but I can give them details of what happened, which satisfies their blood lust. There is among the young Delije leaders, drinking free lager from the club bar and smoking cigarettes, a certain respect for the English hooligan. 'English fans don't have offices because all they do is fight,' says Marco, one of the young leaders, who refuses to concede that he is a hooligan. 'We organise the best choreography in the world. We're not just hooligans; we are ready for anything. For example, we showed those English homosexuals from Leicester how to fight a few years ago. We met them in the Uefa Cup and ran them in Leicester and again when we met up with them later in the year in Germany. We think that in England you don't realise how tough the Serbs are. We respect the English as the founders of hooliganism, but where are you now? Other nations have overtaken you.'

Padja, another young Delije leader, explains how he is responsible for smashing up the Red Star players' cars whenever they perform badly. He carries a handgun under his jacket and boasts of how he recently destroyed the car of Red Star's captain, Nemanja Vidic, after he appeared in a fashion shoot with the captain of Partizan. 'If you now have Kosovan refugees in your country,' he says, turning to me, 'it's your own ***king fault because you didn't let us finish the job. Now, they're all taking your money and your state benefits.'

Apart from a brief spell when he fell out of favour with Arkan, Zoran Timic has been Red Star's choreographer and mentor to young hooligans for much of the past decade. Away from football and teaching, he works on a history of Red Star, which he researches from a small room in his flat in north Belgrade. 'Football was a base for people to rebel against communism in Yugoslavia,' he told me. 'Most Red Star supporters were already very nationalist. What we did at the end of the 1970s was to take the choreography from Italian football and the hooliganism from England and mix it together to create our own style of football anti-communism. Hooliganism became a way of showing that we were free; of resisting the communist regime.'

The old multinational Yugoslav league, with its nationalist rivalries that communism could never fully suppress, was consistently marred by hooliganism. At first, the state-controlled media were reluctant to report on the growing hooligan menace. But then, on 14 September 1978, the country's first full-scale football riot took place when a train carrying Partizan supporters to a game against Sarajevo was halted by police at Sid in Croatia. The Partizan fans responded by demolishing the train. The violence spread to the town itself and the fans fought running battles with the authorities for many hours.

'You have to realise that the establishment may have been communist and pro-Yugoslav,' explains Igor Todorovic, 'but football fans in the main were not. Partizan fans might hate Red Star but, at the end of the day, they are still Serbs. One of our most famous sayings here is that "Serbs united will never be defeated". We take that sentiment very seriously.'

Throughout the late 1970s and early 1980s, the football grounds of Yugoslavia became popular places for nationalist recruitment. In May 1980, when the Yugoslav head of state, Marshal Tito, died, leaving behind no obvious unifying successor, nationalists, both in Serbia and Croatia, understood how they could use football to further their own ends. Nationalist football violence escalated in tandem with the crumbling of central control. The 'Gravediggers' of Partizan rampaged to the sound of British punk bands; the Red Star ultras attacked rival fans using bayonets and iron bars. In Croatia, one hooligan leader kidnapped a supporter of Hajduk Split and raped him with a broom handle over a period of two days. (so wrong)

By the early 1990s, hardline nationalist and anti-government sentiment was so entrenched among supporters that battles with police before and after matches were weekly events. On 13 May 1990, Red Star travelled to Croatia to meet Dynamo Zagreb, in what would be the last game before the collapse of the old Yugoslav league and with it the state itself. In what have been described as the worst scenes of football hooliganism witnessed in Europe, thousands of Delije fought the Zagreb 'Bad Blue Boys' mob, as well as the local police. The game - a portent of the wars that followed - was abandoned after 10 minutes, but not before Zagreb's best player, Zvonimir Boban, who later joined AC Milan, kicked a policeman who was trying to prevent Croatian hooligans from attacking the Red Star end. After this, the fighting went on for more than an hour and the stadium was eventually set on fire.

Some time in 1990, Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic became so concerned by the activities of Red Star's Delije that Jovica Stanisic, the former head of state security who is now on trial for war crimes at the Hague, enlisted Zelijko Raznatovic - Arkan - to help control and direct the violence of the hooligans. Arkan, a criminal and agitator who was eventually assassinated on 15 January 2000, understood that Red Star could be for him what Real Madrid were for Franco, or the Italy team, playing in black shirts, were to Mussolini - a force of power and influence in wider society.

Arkan took over effective control of the Delije, running everything from ticket sales to foreign travel and intimidation of match officials. He built himself a luxury mansion overlooking the ground, a post-communist exercise in shiny marble and smoked glass topped with satellite dishes. Within a year, he began to recruit and organise groups of nationalists - the notorious paramilitary Tigers - to fight the 'patriotic' war in Croatia and, later, in Kosovo. The wars in these territories were as much about business as they were about politics. By invading, looting and setting up monopolies in oil, alcohol and cigarette companies, Arkan and his employers grew wealthy while ordinary Serbs struggled. Arkan recruited extensively from the north bank of the Maracana. Hundreds of hard-core fans took pride in joining his disciplined, clean-shaven mobile killing squads. But not all Tigers were Delije; many were Partizan Gravediggers.

One Red Star supporter, Dejan Vukelic, whom I met in a coffee shop in central Belgrade, explained how he was in China 'living above a brothel and taking full advantage' when the Balkan war broke out. He returned home to fight in the Yugoslav army, only to find the demoralised communist force in disarray. It was while he was in the army that he heard about Arkan's training camp. 'I went straight to Arkan's people in Croatia,' he says. 'As a nationalist I thought it was my duty to be there. At first, I was impressed with the order and the sense of discipline. The training was good and the emphasis on cleansing the Croatians and Muslims from Serb territory was essential. But I didn't witness the atrocities that the Western media talk about. I didn't see much criminal behaviour...'

Many of Arkan's paramilitaries are now back in Belgrade and once more involved in sponsoring crime and violence, before, during and after matches. To these disaffected men and their younger, admiring brothers, football is war and war is football. Can they ever be stopped?

Zeljko Tomic, a member of Serbia's Parliament, is a 36-year-old committed fan of Partizan Belgrade and a voice of sanity in the disturbed world of Serbian football. 'The first thing we need to do is tackle the problem of corruption in our football,' he says. 'If we continue to sell off our best players in scams there will never be any money in our football and the game will remain at a low level. When Partizan sold Mateja Kezman to PSV Eindhoven, for example, we were supposed to be sent new floodlights by Philips, the owners of PSV, but theywent missing en route. That kind of deal where someone pocketed all the cash for himself - at the club's expense - is typically Serbian.

'The other main area we have to address is violence at sporting events, particularly football. Over the past season the hooligan issue has not improved, with vicious fighting between fans of Partizan and Red Star, and with these fans and the police. All matches in Serbia are affected in one way or another. We have to reverse the situation.' Can you succeed?

'I don't know,' he says,cautiously, 'but we must try. The government has recently introduced a law to combat hooliganism, and I backed it. We are starting to make some progress.'

The violence among Serbian football supporters is not as extreme as it was in March 1992 when the Tigers invaded the north stand of the Maracana to display their road signs, their trophies of war. But the violence remains, as does the pervading fear among supporters. Fortunately, Serbs have never supported their national team, Serbia and Montenegro, with anything approaching the fervour they reserve for their clubs. That may change soon, however, if Montenegro, as expected, finally ends its uneven union with Serbia following a referendum later this year. The hooligans may then gather behind a united, fully Serbian national team. If and when this happens, the world of football had better watch out.

Serbia have been drawn with Spain, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Lithuania and San Marino in Group Seven of the European phase of qualification for the 2006 World Cup in Germany.

Its an old article but well worth reading if your into football....there is one more article..ill try and find it :pirate:

Milos_
06-11-2005, 04:03 AM
red star loved by millions hated by hundreds of millions

PrAvI HrVaT
06-11-2005, 02:14 PM
red star loved by millions hated by hundreds of millions
lmao, hey your from hamilton too :thumbsup:

Milos_
06-11-2005, 07:47 PM
yup steel town

Aryan
06-13-2005, 09:22 AM
Red Firm-Vojvodina hooligans are tough lads. Svako gostovanje u Novom Sadu-tuca. I`m talking of my expirience.

sloga jugomagna
07-05-2005, 12:47 AM
hello there bitches all i wana say is that come to CAIR,SKOPJE you wonte come out alive ALBANIAN FANS will knock the shit out of delije.

and one more thing (jebem ti majka)

sloga jugomagna
07-05-2005, 12:49 AM
slloga jugomagnat rules man

you come to CAIR,SKOPJE and we albanians will ***k you

and one more thing (jebem ti majka)

PartizanBeograd
07-05-2005, 03:02 AM
whats a slloga jugomagnat ?!?!?

SRBIJA
07-05-2005, 03:22 AM
whats a slloga jugomagnat ?!?!?


eh, Dont pay attention, Ovi je neki Shiptare Tsigan. :p

Milos_
07-05-2005, 05:03 PM
champions leauges. sloga whateverthe***k-0 red star-1

people whove actually heard of the team. slogamegashit-maybe a hundred red star-hundreds of millions

PartizanBeograd
07-05-2005, 10:41 PM
so somehow the albanians will beat up the serbs in skopje, some how i dont think this will ever happed.

plz dont try to put Partizan or CZ's name into this, they are way out of your of your little league team

Milos_
07-05-2005, 11:02 PM
isnt skopje macedonian?

PartizanBeograd
07-06-2005, 01:42 AM
isnt skopje macedonian?

yes, but i dont see many makedonci joining sides with the shiptars to fight us

we speak almost the same language, same religion, and we are both Slavic.
shiptars, on the other hand, have thier own language, are mostly muslim, and are definatly not Slavic.
Its a no brainer

soccer_fan
10-23-2005, 06:56 AM
do you guys every fight your rival clubs fans.. ?? i know when i went to a uni football match we started throwing beer cans at the other fans haha then they were going to come over and fight us but it never happened.. it was pretty scary.. so close to a fight.

stuglue
10-23-2005, 09:02 PM
Their are plenty of mindless hooligans here in the UK but with the co-operation of the clubs and the police football is a very well marshalled game these days.The police carry camcorders,the grounds all have CCTV and away fans are escorted to the game.Mobile phones are used by rival gangs to organize punch ups.It is a different kind of hooliganism in England compared to Serbia or Italy as their is no underlying political agenda,just 2 groups of thugs looking for a dust up.Millwall,Portsmouth,Cardiff,Leeds and West Ham probably have the worst hooligan element but fighting is still quite common despite the measures taken by the FA.No doubt the brain dead morons will travel to Germany next year to "defend England's pride",dickheads.

episkyros
11-17-2005, 09:19 PM
Any info on how red star fans have some kind of alliance with osfp fans? I usually see misfits banners in maracana and theres a pics on the net but i can't find any info

SRBIJA
11-18-2005, 12:46 AM
OFSP meaning Olympiakos? Because i know they both support each other.

episkyros
11-18-2005, 10:25 PM
Yea olympiacos i might have spelt it wrong. I know Partizan work together with PAOK sometimes too...im just wondering when did it all start happening? Like did they go to a cafe once and became friends? :p

SRBIJA
11-19-2005, 04:15 PM
http://www.oaza.co.yu/sport/delije/fanclub/download/wallpaper/stefan_drljaca2.jpg

SRBIJA
11-19-2005, 04:31 PM
1986. godine Crvena Zvezda je igrala sa Panatinaikosom u glavnom gradu Grcke, a na utakmici se pojavila i grupa Olimpijakosovih navijaca koja je došla da upozna Delije. Tada je ostvaren prvi kontakt. Grci nam u prvom periodu pomažu oko nabavke navijackih rekvizita, a Delije su im povremeno odlazile u posetu.

Kada je 1992. godine došlo do novog susreta sa Panatinaikosom, oni su u Atini doneli transparent sa natpisom "Good luck Red Star - GATE 7". To je izazvalo erupciju negodovanja navijaca "zelenih". Naši navijaci su otpozdravili skandiranjem "Olimpijakos, Olimpijakos" što je domace navijace još više razljutilo. Nakon ukidanja sankcija 1994. godine, prva medunarodna utakmica koju je Zvezda odigrala bila je baš protiv Olimpijakosa na Marakani, i uoci tog prijateljskog meca Delije su iznele ogromni transparnt "Welcome Orthodox brothers", da bi 1995. godina na prijateljskom susretu u Atini oni uzvratili na isti nacin.

Cesto se na našem i Olimijakosovom stadionu mogu videti obeležja bratskih klubova. Takode, posete i susreti na evropskim utakmicama nisu retkost. Posete Delija u Torinu protiv Juventusa, u Monaku protiv Monaka, dok su Olimijakosovi posetili nas u Švajcarskoj protiv Jang Bojsa i u Bonu na košarci, takode i poseta Delija njihovom derbiju protiv Panatinaikosa 2004. godine.


it basically says that in 1986 there was a game with Redstar and Panathanakos and there was a group of Olypiakos fans who came to support the delije. That was the first time the delije were wtih the Olympiakos fans.

Then during 1992 when redstar had to play Panathankos again, the olympiakos fans had a big sign that said "Good luck Red Star - GATE 7" Then after that the delije started to support the greeks with all kinds of signs and they became friends :lol: and went to each others games.

episkyros
11-19-2005, 05:44 PM
Thanks :)

SRBIJA
11-19-2005, 11:01 PM
Your welcome :D