Ronaldo at his prime better than Pele at his?

[lallan]

I read a lot about Pele, but havent seen much of his game, yes I saw those famous clips of him scoring etc but still I never saw 1 full game of his when he was at his prime, but I saw Ronaldo at his prime and its hard 4 me 2 believe that there could be any STRIKER in the world as good as him, so Im asking those who have seen more of Pele 2 answer me, do u think Ronaldo at his prime was even better than Pele at his?

[Leon of Silvren]

I really can't tell either, I didn't watch Pele when he was current, and seeing him in documentals is too much different, but I guess yes, for something he was nicknamed 'the king'.

[hezri]

Well , after watching the historical matches , I believe pre-injury Ronaldo was better than Pele . I darely say he was at the same level as Maradona .

Pele is the more like a playmaker ; best playmaker ever exist in the world ; god-like versatille . Pele is the same kind as the legendary guy who played for 4 countries , Alfredo Di Stefiano . This are the versatille kind .

The 4 players played at the front and scored alot of goals , but Stefiano and Pele are versatille type . While maradona and Ronaldo in the past , are pure striker , but with perfect dribbling skill and inhuman speed(Ronaldo) .

However , I am immensely disappointed with many who easily claim their favourite current players to be comparable with Stefiano , Pele , and Maradona . Like Zidane , he was a legendary playmaker but not the same type of those 3 . So , I , even he is my favourite player , I dont compare with those 3 .

Like in present , when a striker in one club scores alot goals in CL , the fanatic fans of the particular clubs claim him to be on par with Stefiano , although Raul(not a striker) who scores as much as Stefiano , we never compare him with the legend .

[Leon of Silvren]

I disagree with you about Zidane, I consider him one of the bests of the history, in the same level as El Diego or Pele, no player I've seen is so elegant and classy to play football, he makes everything look simple, he has (or had) incredible vision, dribbling and passing skill, the must's for a playmaker.

[RonaldoD08]

I disagree with you about Zidane, I consider him one of the bests of the history, in the same level as El Diego or Pele, no player I've seen is so elegant and classy to play football, he makes everything look simple, he has (or had) incredible vision, dribbling and passing skill, the must's for a playmaker.

I don't think that Zidane has that much of a dribbling skill nor speed. His vision of the game is his greatest skill and the fact that he makes it seem so easy.

[RonaldoD08]

as for Ronaldo I agree that there has never been a striker like him before andI doubt there will ever be (including Adriano and everyne). he has better dribbling skills than any playmaker or midfielder even though he is a striker. If you want to consider his striker skills there is no one that can be compared to his divinity (excluding headers which he deos not really need that much).
The problem with Ronaldo now is that he is not motivated that much at least not in club scale. he has won everything. all he can do now is double or triple win his awards. only for his national team he might still have some motivation...

[Leon of Silvren]

I don't think that Zidane has that much of a dribbling skill nor speed. His vision of the game is his greatest skill and the fact that he makes it seem so easy.
Are you kidding me?? I agree with the speed part, he's not very pacey, but his dribbling skills are great, not the kind of dribbling like Robinho or Ronaldinho, but the possesion dribble.

[RonaldoD08]

Zidane's dribbling is not the Brazilian kind of dribling. He uses tactics rather than dribling. The ball just stick to his feet and he passes a lot avoiding one on one duels.

[Leon of Silvren]

Maybe you didn't understand, he has not the magic dribbling, that's true, but to me, the fact that he can run with the ball 20-30 meters without anyone being able to steal the ball from him means he's a good dribbler.

And probably you mean technique, not tactic.

[Row]

Zidane has great skills, he might not bkrean your hip when he dribles but the ball gets stuck on his feet and it's hard to take it away from him, unles you take him down.

[hezri]

I think I watched or read this somewhere . There are several kind of dribbling .

1) One on one - eg. Ronaldo at one side , Maldini at one side . Situation is
fair and square . Both are ready . Zidane is excellent at this
as well , but Ronaldo and Figo far better . Figo , when he
was young can do this unbeatenly , though he was not that
fast . That shows how legendary he is . But , human's
memory is short .

2)Ball control - eg Zidane receive a pass . He control the ball , when
defenders want to take the ball , he bring it pass defenders .

3)Simple dummy - This kind of simple movement . Pretend to go to the left ,
when defender is tricked , go to the right . Defender still
try to disturb the ball , go to the left . Obsessed English
league fans always believe this is high class dribbling . I
suggest them to watch Latin football more often .

[Leon of Silvren]

Well said hezri, and indeed latin footballers are the best dribblers, their game is more pacey and more explosive, they lack technique and tactic though, but hey, no one's perfect.....

[RonaldoD08]

Well said hezri, and indeed latin footballers are the best dribblers, their game is more pacey and more explosive, they lack technique and tactic though, but hey, no one's perfect.....

But as we have seen latin players' outrageous technique (dribbling skills) make up for their lack in tactics.

[Leon of Silvren]

That's right, they're balanced, european and latin players I mean, different abilities, but at the end they're equally good, one way or another.

[RonaldoD08]

The latin players though are much better to watch.

[xonic]

Hmn, yeah, Ronaldo, Zidane are great dribblers...

But the really important thing, is that none of them has won 5 consecutive
champions league cups :)

So, in terms of who's da best player.. I nominate my personal futbol hero, Alfredo
Di Stefano. He is the definition of world class.

[Leon of Silvren]

Of course I never saw him playing so I don't really have an opinion of him, I just know him by videos and what people say about him.

[RonaldoD08]

Of course I never saw him playing so I don't really have an opinion of him, I just know him by videos and what people say about him.

however don't you think that it is a little bit more difficult now to win 5 cl ?

[xonic]

however don't you think that it is a little bit more difficult now to win 5 cl ?


Without Di Stefano on your team? ABSOLUTLEY :)

[RonaldoD08]

Without Di Stefano on your team? ABSOLUTLEY :)


very funny.lol

[Leon of Silvren]

Of course I know he was a great player, he has some awesome merits, but I never saw him playing, so I can't have a clear opinion about him. Watching someone via videos is not the same as watching him whe he's active.

[RonaldoD08]

Of course I know he was a great player, he has some awesome merits, but I never saw him playing, so I can't have a clear opinion about him. Watching someone via videos is not the same as watching him whe he's active.


I agree. Watching somebody's compilations is not the same thing. I showed a (shitty) compilation of Ronaldo (World Cup and First Year Real madrid) to some friend of mine who had just heard about Ronaldo but never seen him play and my friend was swearing to me that the compilation was not real. He was sure that all the moves where being played in fast forward. Ronaldo simply flies if you give him the ball.

Now xonic here says that Ronaldo is bad...
Go figure this out...

[xonic]

I agree. Watching somebody's compilations is not the same thing. I showed a (shitty) compilation of Ronaldo (World Cup and First Year Real madrid) to some friend of mine who had just heard about Ronaldo but never seen him play and my friend was swearing to me that the compilation was not real. He was sure that all the moves where being played in fast forward. Ronaldo simply flies if you give him the ball.

Now xonic here says that Ronaldo is bad...
Go figure this out...

Wow, you just don't understand.

It's like this, Ronaldo is a great 'player'. He is a 'whiny and bratty' human being.

[RonaldoD08]

Wow, you just don't understand.

It's like this, Ronaldo is a great 'player'. He is a 'whiny and bratty' human being.

I don't think that you meant to say that Di Stefano won the champion league (even though he didn't won it alone...) because he was less whinny and bratty than Ronaldo.

I don't think we can know whether Di Stafano was less whinny and bratty than Ronaldo though and you don't know whether Ronaldo is whinny and bratty either. You can say that he is not motivated or inspired because he has won anything that has to be won. Everyone knows that but you can't say that he is whinny and bratty.

[Leon of Silvren]

He's not talking about DiSteffano mate, what he's saying is that he thinks Ronaldo is a great player, but a whinny and bratty person.

[xonic]

He's not talking about DiSteffano mate, what he's saying is that he thinks Ronaldo is a great player, but a whinny and bratty person.

Not only that, but since this thread is about Pele Vs Ronaldo, let me inject this little gem. If you ever saw Garrincha play, in terms of raw skill and pure talent, he has Ronaldo AND Pele beat. That guy was a machine.

I'll look to see if I can find some vidz of Garrincha playing.

[RonaldoD08]

Not only that, but since this thread is about Pele Vs Ronaldo, let me inject this little gem. If you ever saw Garrincha play, in terms of raw skill and pure talent, he has Ronaldo AND Pele beat. That guy was a machine.

I'll look to see if I can find some vidz of Garrincha playing.

I can understand ronaldo being better than pele in raw skill but garrinca better than ronaldo? I don't know maybe...

[Nikodemus]

Like it's already been said it's very hard to compare players from different football eras. Even though the sport is same the game and the style has changed so much. I haven't seen Pele playing at his prime so also my knowledge about his skills is based on things I've read and some clips I've seen.
Players are best rememberred from famous 'tricks' and events like Maradona's 'Hand of God'. That can't be compared with for example Zizou's achievements and so. Also the fact that football is a team sport makes comparing hard because even the most skillful player can't make several miracles if he's not playing among good players.

[Ronniestillgood]

I can understand ronaldo being better than pele in raw skill but garrinca better than ronaldo? I don't know maybe...

Yes but both Garrincha and Pele had twice the heart Ronaldo will ever posess.In my opinion at his prime ronaldo was better than both at scoring and pace etc...But still both Garrincha and pele were versatile and great play makers.

[RonaldoD08]

Yes but both Garrincha and Pele had twice the heart Ronaldo will ever posess.In my opinion at his prime ronaldo was better than both at scoring and pace etc...But still both Garrincha and pele were versatile and great play makers.

I agree with you about the heart and determination. I still think that Ronaldo's skills are still unsurpassable.