Imposters?

[lsgworldl]

in this thread I was acused of being an imposter

and acused of wanting a 17 year old jap shool girl
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=23548

[Will317]

in this thread I was acused of being an imposter

and acused of wanting a 17 year old jap shool girl
http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=23548
Your point being?

[Ese_Guy]

That's preposterous

[The Fallen Ange]

...dont take whats been said personally....Just tell em to shut up

:thumbsup:

[Leon of Silvren]

Hey man stop messing around.....

[lsgworldl]

read the title of the threadYour point being?

[Ese_Guy]

So you're not an imposter?
Someone is posing as you?

[Will317]

read the title of the thread
Have done, but I still don't understand the purpose of this thread...

[ItalianBoy]

I like 17 year old girls, from 14 to 45 I am cool. :rolling:

[Leon of Silvren]

Mate are you nuts?? 45??!! My limit is 30.....

[ItalianBoy]

I know some 36 year olds that are very hot mate.

[ItalianBoy]

www.emanuelafolliero.it

One of my favs in the world and she is 36 man. WOW!
To me she is perfection!

[lsgworldl]

I just came from a womens bed and I think she is like 40 I dunno, she has a 15 year old girl lol

[Gennadios]

What do you mean by Imposter? you mean someone went onto ur username ( somehow ) and posted on ur name?

[davor_suker]

ItalianBoy...........14????? Is that even LEGAL???

[Will317]

ItalianBoy...........14????? Is that even LEGAL???
I think it might depend on what you get up to, though it doesn't sound very legal if he's over 17... :smallpig:

[lsgworldl]

he is saying I am some one else on the forum as well

:confused: What do you mean by Imposter? you mean someone went onto ur username ( somehow ) and posted on ur name?

[Leon of Silvren]

14 is not legal, specially in the case of Itaboy, who is 38...... :p

[ItalianBoy]

Well in USa its not legal but in Italy and in Europe it is. After 14 every one can have sex with whoever. Thats why we are much better!
I am 21 not 38.

[penalty_20]

lol im 13 so i stilck to my age range lol 36 is way too old lmao

[Will317]

Well in USa its not legal but in Italy and in Europe it is. After 14 every one can have sex with whoever. Thats why we are much better! I am 21 not 38.
Well I don't know about on the continent but that's definitely not true of here in the UK....

[arminius]

my god 14 is legal in europe? in australia it's 16 though i've never been one to check ID's.

[ItalianBoy]

In Italy is 14 and I know that in most European countries is also around 15 years old. Plus there is not this stupid law like in USA where if you are over 18 and she is 17, you can not have sex. This is one of the things that I hate about USA.

[ItalianBoy]

I don’t see why everyone here is shocked by the 14 thing. Some 14 year olds look hot. On mind level probably I would get bored but I am not a chicken like some people and I can tell you that some 14 or 15 year olds look good enough to me for some action! Plus the mentality in Europe compared to USA is diff. Some 15 year olds in USA are like 12 year olds in Italy. Women and men can reproduce after the age of 13, so I don’t see what’s so shocking. I hate it when some of my friends say “yes she is hot and she is willing to do it but she is 18 (they are 21)� I just tell him “***k you�. That’s just plain stupid.

[7becks7]

man, 14 is way too young no matter how you put it, especially since you are over the age of 20

[ItalianBoy]

You fail to tell me why. If it’s because you like many are bought mentally by the media and bigot religion, let me know.

[lsgworldl]

Country Male-Female Sex Male-Male Sex Female-Female Sex
Albania 14 14/18?? 14
Algeria Rev 08/2000 16 illegal illegal

Andorra Rev 01/2001 16 16 16
Antiqua (Barbuda) Rev 01/2001 16 18 16
Argentina Rev 01/2001 12/15/16 12/15/16 12/15/16
Armenia Rev 01/2001 16 illegal unknown
Aruba Rev 01/2001 16 16 16
Australia ACT Rev 03/2001 16 16 16
Australia NSW Rev 03/2001 16 18 * no laws
Australia NT Rev 03/2001 16 18 no laws
Australia Queensland
Rev 03/2002 16 18 (READ) 16
Australia SA Rev 03/2001 16/17 16/17 16/17
Australia Tasmania Rev 03/2001 17 17 (legalised Apr 97
after 9 years battle) no laws
Australia Victoria Rev 03/2002 17 17 17
Australia WA Rev 03/2001 16 21 16
Austria Rev 07/2002 14 Struck Down 14 14
Azerbaijan Rev 01/2001 16 illegal undefined

Bahamas Rev 01/2001 16 18 (read) 18 (read)
Bahrain Rev 01/2001 illegal illegal

Bangladesh Rev 01/2001 illegal illegal
Barbados Rev 01/2001 16 illegal

Belarus Rev 01/2001 16/18 16 16
Belgium Rev 01/2001 16 16 16
Belize Rev 01/17/2001 16 legal? legal?
Benin Rev 01/2001 illegal illegal
Bermuda Rev 03/2002 16 18 16

Bhutan Rev 01/2001 illegal
Bolivia Rev 07/2002 17
Bosnia Rev 01/2001 16 16 16
Botswana Rev 01/2001 16-F/14-M illegal
Brazil Rev 01/2001 14/18 14/18 14/18
Brunei Rev 01/2001 14/16 illegal illegal

Bulgaria Rev 01/2001 14/15 14/18 14/18
Burkina Faso Rev 01/2001 13 21 21
Burma illegal
Burundi illegal
Cambodia (Kampuchea)
Rev 07/2002 15/16 ? ?
Cameroon illegal
Canada Rev 07/2002 14 18 14
Cape Verde illegal
Cayman Islands Rev 03/2002

Chile Rev 04/2002 12 18 18
China Rev 01/2001 14 not defined not defined
China - Hong Kong Rev 01/2001 16 21 ?

Colombia Rev 01/2001 12/14 14 14
Cook Islands Rev 01/17/2001

Costa Rica Rev 03/2002 15/16 15- illegal - ? 15 - illegal - ?
Cote D'Ivoire Rev 08/2000 15
Croatia Rev 01/2001 14 14/18? 14/18?
Cuba Rev 3/2002 16 16 16
Cyprus Rev 07/2002 NEW! 17 17 17
Cyprus - SARS Rev 07/2002 NEW! 17 17 17

Czech Republic Rev 01/2001 15 15 15
Denmark Rev 01/2001 15 15 15

Dominica Rev 01/2001 16 ? ?
Dominican Republic Rev 01/2001 18 18 18
Dutch Antilles 16 16 16

Ecuador Rev 01/2001 undefined? ?
Egypt Rev 03/2002 18 18-illegal? 18-illegal?
El Salvador Rev 01/2001 16 ? ?

Eritrea Rev 01/2001 18 18 18
Estonia Rev 07/2002 14 16? 16?
Ethiopa Rev 04/2001 15
Falken Isl Malvinas Rev 01/2001 16 18 16
Faroe Islands 15 18 18

Fiji Rev 01/17/2001 16 ? ?
Finland (new laws 1/1/99?)
Rev 01/2001 16 18 18
France Rev 01/2001 15 15 15
French Guiana Rev 01/2001 15 15 15
French Polynesia Tahiti 15 15 15
Gabon Rev 01/2001 15 15 15
Georgia (Russia) Rev 01/2001 illegal
Germany Rev 01/2001 14/16 14/16 14/16
Ghana ?

Greece Rev 01/2001 15/17 17 15/17
Greenland
Grenada Rev 01/2001 17 illegal illegal
Guam Rev 09/2000 16
Guadeloupe Rev 01/2001 15 15 15
Guatemala Rev 01/2001 18 18 18
Guinea Rev 01/2001 15

Guyana Rev 01/2001 13 illegal illegal
Haiti 18 18 18
Honduras Rev 03/2002 14/17 14 14
Hong Kong Rev 09/2000 18M/16F 21 ?
Hungary Rev 01/2001 14 18 18
Iceland Rev 03/2002 14 14 14
India Rev 01/2001 16 illegal illegal
Indonesia Rev 03/2002 17 no laws no laws
Iran Rev 07/2002 None outside marriage illegal illegal
Iraq Rev 01/2001 18 ? ?
Ireland Rev 03/2001 17 17 17
Israel Rev 03/2001 16 16 16
Italy Rev 06/2001 14 14 14

Jamaica Rev 01/2001 16 illegal illegal
Japan Rev 07/2002 16/18 16/18 16/18
Jordan 16 illegal illegal

Kenya Rev 01/2001 16 illegal illegal
Kiribati Rev 01/17/2001

Korea Rev 03/2002 13 13 13
Kosovo 14 18 14
Kuwait illegal illegal
Latvia Rev 04/2001 16 legal? legal?
Lebanon Rev 03/2002 15/18 illegal illegal
Liberia Rev 04/2001 16
Liechtenstein 14 14/18 14
Lithuania 16 18 16
Luxembourg Rev 01/2001 16 16 16
Macao Rev 08/2000 16/17
Madegascar Rev 09/2001 21? 21 21

Mali Rev 08/2000 16
Malta Rev 01/2001 12/18 12/18 12/18
Malaysia Rev 08/2000 married - 16? illegal illegal
Martinique 15 15 15
Mauritius Rev 01/2001 15 illegal illegal
México Rev 07/2002 12 18 18
Moldova Rev 01/2001 16 16 16
Monaco Rev 01/2001 15 15 15
Montenegro Rev 01/2001 14 14 14
Morocco Rev 03/2001 15
Mozambique illegal
Namibia Rev 04/2001 16 illegal
Nepal Rev 04/2001 16 ? ?
Netherlands Rev 03/2002 12/16 12/16 12/16
Netherland Antilles 16 16 16
New Caledonia 15 15 15
New Zealand Rev 03/2002 16 16 16
Nicaragua ?

Nigeria Rev 06/2001 13 ? ?
Niue Rev 01/17/2001
Norway Rev 01/2001 16 16 16

Oman Rev 01/2001 none! illegal illegal
Pakistan Rev 05/2003 none! (?) (read comments) (read comments)
Panama Rev 01/2001 12/18? ?
Papua - New Guinea 16 illegal 16

Paraquay Rev 07/2002 12 ?
Peru Rev 06/2001 14 14 14
Pitcairn Rev 07/2002 unk (debate)
Poland Rev 01/2001 15 15 15
Portugal Rev 01/2001 14/16? ? ?
Philippines Rev 03/2002 12/18 18 18
Puerto Rico Rev 01/2001 14 Illegal (under appeal) Illegal (under appeal)

Qatar illegal illegal
Romania Rev 01/2001 14 illegal illegal
Russia Rev 06/2002 14/16? New Law?? 14/16? 14/16?
Rwanda Rev 02/2001 18 18 18
San Marino Rev 01/2001 14/16 14/16 14/16
Saudi Arabia must be married illegal illegal
Senegal illegal illegal
Serbia Rev 07/2002 14 18 14
Singapore Rev 07/2002 (Read) 14/16 illegal illegal
Slovakia Rev 01/2001 15 15 15
Slovenia Rev 01/2001 14 14 14
Soloman Islands Rev 01/2001

South Africa Rev 04/2001 16 19 19
South Korea 13 13 13

Spain Rev 01/2001 13 13 13
Sri Lanka Rev 01/2001 16 illegal 16

St. Kitts and Nevis Rev 01/2001 14/16
St. Martin (Rev 11/2000) ?
Surinami 16 18 16
Sweden Rev 01/2001 15 15 15
Swaziland Rev 01/2001 18 illegal illegal

Switzerland Rev 01/2001 16 16 16
Syria Rev 01/2001 13/15 illegal illegal
Taiwan 16 16 16
Tanzania Rev 01/2001 16 illegal illegal

Thailand Rev 07/2002 15 legal at all ages? ?
Togo Rev 08/2000 14
Tonga Rev 01/17/2001 16 illegal
Trinidad & Tobago Rev 03/2002 16 illegal illegal
Tunisia Rev 01/2001 20 illegal illegal
Turkey Rev 03/2003 15/16
unmarried-illegal 18 18
Tuvalu Rev 01/17/2001 illegal

Uganda Rev 01/2001 18 illegal illegal
Ukraine Rev 01/2001 16 16 16
United Arab Emirates 18 Illegal? Illegal?

Uzbekistan Rev 01/2001 16 illegal 16
Uruguay Rev 01/2001 16 ?
Vanuatu Rev 01/17/2001 18 18 18
Venezuela Rev 04/2001 16 16 16
Vietnam Rev 03/2002 18 ? ?
Vojvodina 14 18 14
Western Samoa Rev 01/17/2001
Yemen illegal
Yugoslavia Rev 07/2002 ? 18
Zaire Rev 07/2002 illegal
Zambia Rev 07/2002 16

Zimbabwe Rev 01/2001 12/16 illegal illegal
United Kingdom England, Scotland & Wales Rev 06/2001 16 16 16
United Kingdom Northern Ireland
Rev 06/2001 17 17 17
USA Alabama Rev 06/2001 16 illegal illegal
USA Alaska Rev 08/2000 16 16 16
USA Arizona Rev 06/2001 18 Law Repealed Law Repealed
USA Arkansas Rev 03/2001 16 Law Invalidated Law Invalidated
USA California Rev 04/2001 18 18 18
USA Colorado Rev 04/2002 15/17 17 17
USA Connecticut
Rev 04/2001 16 16 16
USA D.C. Rev 08/2000 16 Law Repealed Law Repealed
USA Delaware Rev 03/2002 16/18 Law Repealed Law Repealed
USA Florida Rev 06/2001 16/18 Illegal Illegal
USA Georgia Rev 07/2002
MUST READ! 16 16 16
USA Hawaii Rev 03/2002 16 Law Repealed Law Repealed
USA Idaho Rev 04/2001 16/18 Illegal Illegal
USA Illinois 17 17 17
USA Indiana 16 16 16
USA Iowa Rev 03/2002 14/16 Law Repealed Law Repealed
USA Kansas Rev 06/2001 16 illegal illegal
USA Kentucky 16 Law Invalidated Law Invalidated
USA Louisiana Rev 03/2002 17 Illegal Illegal
USA Maine 16 16 16
USA Maryland Rev 04/2002 16 Law Invalidated Law Invalidated
USA Massachusetts
Rev 07/2002 16/18 READ -Law Invalidated READ -Law Invalidated
USA Michigan Rev 04/2001 16 Illegal Illegal
USA Minnesota Rev 03/2002 16 Law Invalidated Law Invalidated
USA Mississippi
Rev 03/2002 16 (laws passed June 1, 1998) Illegal Illegal
USA Missouri Rev 03/2002 14/17 Illegal Illegal
USA Montana Rev 10/99 16/18 18 18
USA Nebraska 17 Law Repealed Law Repealed
USA Nevada Rev 1/2000 16 18 18
USA New Hampshire
Rev 03/2002 16 18 18
USA New Jersey 16 16 16
USA New Mexico 17 13 13
USA New York Rev 03/2002 17 17 17
USA North Carolina
Rev 03/2002 16 Illegal Illegal
USA North Dakota 18 Law Repealed Law Repealed
USA Ohio Rev 11/2000 16 Law Repealed Law Repealed
USA Oklahoma Rev 03/2002 16 16 -illegal??? 16 -illegal???
USA Oregon 18 18 18
USA Pennsylvania 16 16 16
USA Rhode Island
Rev 06/2001 16 Law Repealed Law Repealed
USA South Carolina
Rev 03/2002 14/16-bill pending Illegal Illegal
USA South Dakota 16 Law Repealed 16 Law Repealed 16
USA Tennessee Rev 04/2001 18 Law Invalidated Law Invalidated
USA Texas Rev 03/2002 17 Illegal 03/2001 Illegal 03/2001
USA Utah Rev Rev 04/2001 16/18 Illegal Illegal
USA Vermont 16 Law Repealed Law Repealed
USA Virginia Rev 07/2000 18 illegal illegal
USA Washington
Rev 06/2001 16/18 16/18 16/18
USA West Virginia 16 18? 18?
USA Wisconsin Rev 03/2002 18 18 18
USA Wyoming Rev 12/99 16 / 18? Law Repealed Law Repealed
USA Military Rev 06/2001 16 illegal illegal
USA Traveling Citizens READ
Rev 07/2002
http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

[7becks7]

You fail to tell me why. If it’s because you like many are bought mentally by the media and bigot religion, let me know.

This isn't the 1300's and a 14 year old is still considered a CHILD. Although the menstraul cycle is developed, a 14 year old is mentally not yet a woman. Therefore a 14 year old shouldn't be in sexual relationships with people close to her age, much less an adult.

[ItalianBoy]

This isn't the 1300's and a 14 year old is still considered a CHILD. Although the menstraul cycle is developed, a 14 year old is mentally not yet a woman. Therefore a 14 year old shouldn't be in sexual relationships with people close to her age, much less an adult.
14th 13th 28th century, it does not matter. The laws of nature were are and always be the same. If society is influencing you like that, that’s bad. The cycle starts at 13, humans can have kids, the reason we are on this planet, at 13 on, so your whole point has been proven wrong.

[Leon of Silvren]

Is true what you say Itaboy, but we don't make things as the way nature teached us to anymore, way of thinking is one of them, we can't do things just based on instincts, there are laws now (and they suck :p ), and the perception of what is correct and what's incorrect, and what's socially correct and incorrect has changed, althought it differ from country to country, the pattern always follow a standard, so having sex with a 14 year old girl is not socially acepted, I don't really give a s**t, but the society does.

[ItalianBoy]

The post I was looking for. Thanks. :thumbsup:

[MarieL]

The fact that you sleep with 14-year-olds... well that simply tells us that you can't get a girl your own age. Pretty sad.

[lsgworldl]

why should he get a partner his own age, wtf has that got to do with anything, so I am imited to women who are nearly my own age, how sad are you

I have seen many old men with 18 yr old women who are over 60

[davor_suker]

18 year olds with 60 year olds??? Thats known as a "gold digger"

[7becks7]

why should he get a partner his own age, wtf has that got to do with anything, so I am imited to women who are nearly my own age, how sad are you

I have seen many old men with 18 yr old women who are over 60

18 yr old is different, at least she's a woman, a 14 year old is a kid ! don't use that I've been corrupted by society's views as your argument, I'm not brainwashed by anybody, but the 14 year olds that I have met were KIDS, they are not ready to be in any relationship, that's just so damn wrong

[MarieL]

Yeah, do what you like but still think it's pathetic and disgusting.

[valdanito_10]

18 year old and 14 year olds should be looking for something else

[valdanito_10]

i see something wrong here.... but whatdver floats ur boat

[Leon of Silvren]

Well I've met 15 year old girls more mature than many 30 year old ladies, that depends on the person you're talking about, you can't just generalize and say all the 14 year olds are kids.

[ItalianBoy]

The fact that you sleep with 14-year-olds... well that simply tells us that you can't get a girl your own age. Pretty sad.
This is probably the dumbest post ever. First of all 14 year olds are women in the sense that they can have kids. Leon already explained it perfectly and I dont see why you guys keep on debating this issue. Mariel, pls, refrain yourself to post such idiotic posts. First reach puberty, get with a guy than come back. Becks, no one ever said that I want to be in a relationship with 14 year olds. I said only sexually and from a human nature point of view. Dont see thing I never said.

[Portugeezer]

Weird!!!!!.......Theres a word for this!!!! :shocked:

[valdanito_10]

ItalianBoy im begining to think some wierd things about u!

ok 14 year olds can be mature, that doesnt make them a woman, they are 14 for god sake! they dont even get sexual reproduction yet!



well anyways ItalianBoy, theres a phrase that says after 12 its lunch ;)

[7becks7]

Becks, no one ever said that I want to be in a relationship with 14 year olds. I said only sexually and from a human nature point of view. Dont see thing I never said.

look below

Some 14 year olds look hot. On mind level probably I would get bored but I am not a chicken like some people and I can tell you that some 14 or 15 year olds look good enough to me for some action! .

that's why this debate started, if you merely stated that 14 year olds can reproduce, it would be a scientific fact, however you stated that there is nothing wrong with being in a sexual relationship with a 14 year old (In addition to, you being 21 years old) I found that to be exteremly wrong and stated my opinion

[MarieL]

You know Itaboy the only one being dumb here is you. You said yourself you have no problem sleeping with 14-year-olds and that is wrong. Do you honestly think any girl that age is looking for a one night stand? Well think again! They will be flattered every time an older guy even looks at them and they think by giving the guy what he wants they'll keep him interested. Well needless to say what kind of problems that'll eventually cause, both mentally and physically. But it's not like I'd expect anything more from you.

[valdanito_10]

im not gonna forget this conversation!

SFN best momments....!

[GiorgioII]

Obviously most girls of 14 years of age are able to have sexual intercourse and produce children. However, unless you are after nothing more than a one-night stand it will be difficult to find a girl of 14 who is compatible with you in terms of personality and interests. Of course if you yourself are 14 or 15 that is fine, or if you are particularly immature( :D ), but it is difficult to find 14 year old girls that are able to communicate in the same depth that an adult man will(most adult men that is, not counting Valdanito here j/k :D ).

[valdanito_10]

im a kid.... i cant deny it, i never left those years nehind they are the best.... id probably get along just perfectly with em..... i just wouldnt go out with them or nothing similar! :angel:


sex with 14 year olds is for loosers! :boo: !!!!!

no just kidding, what i said before whatever floarts ur boat! :dontcare:

and Giorgio, try not triying to hide who u are by accusing me of thing! :silly: :silly:

[ItalianBoy]

You guys are a bunch of saps. I never said I will have sex with 14 year old nor this conv. was ever about me. I am stating FACTS here guys. After the ages of 13 both male and female are capable of reproducing, therefore, having sex with them is not wrong anymore, since they are capable of doing the one thing we were put on earth for. I never stated that I am gonna get me some 14 year old pussy nor that I want to be in a relationship with them. I simply stated a fact about nature and all of you jumped to bashing. My stating that from 14 to 45 they are all good, is because I think that in between that range I could do it, hypothetically, if it ever happens. My ex girlfriend is 19 and others I am working on now are 21 18 and no younger than 18, so I dont see why people like MarieL come here and talk like they know me and bash me for some perv. Just shut up. You dont know me so pls. And at least I am the only honest one here.

[valdanito_10]

im honest too! maybe u should jopin the pervs ItalianBoy.... theres a bunch of us there! j\k mate! and treat mariel decently, shes a lady, and deserves a little more respct!

[ItalianBoy]

I treat her the way she asks to be treated.

[valdanito_10]

ahh common IB, thats not what i wanted to hear!

[valdanito_10]

sometimes its best to put ur pride aside mate!( im not saying ur wrong or right, how dare i question u :silly: :silly: )

[ItalianBoy]

She made up so much crap and started to piss on me and I have said nothing about her. I dont see the problem, I will ignore her like the world probably does already. :rolling:

[valdanito_10]

a bit crule ItalianBoy, its a matter of opinions!

and its that attitude of urs that neds treatemnet, i think were gonna have to send u to the forum's phsycologist

[ItalianBoy]

I bit cruel? Attitude? What are you talking about. I am perfectly fine.

[Menasaur]

ItalianGirl is just being himself, a big fuker, let him be, it's not an attitude, he was just brought up this way that's all.

[MarieL]

You guys are a bunch of saps. I never said I will have sex with 14 year old nor this conv. was ever about me. I am stating FACTS here guys. After the ages of 13 both male and female are capable of reproducing, therefore, having sex with them is not wrong anymore, since they are capable of doing the one thing we were put on earth for. I never stated that I am gonna get me some 14 year old pussy nor that I want to be in a relationship with them. I simply stated a fact about nature and all of you jumped to bashing. My stating that from 14 to 45 they are all good, is because I think that in between that range I could do it, hypothetically, if it ever happens. My ex girlfriend is 19 and others I am working on now are 21 18 and no younger than 18, so I dont see why people like MarieL come here and talk like they know me and bash me for some perv. Just shut up. You dont know me so pls. And at least I am the only honest one here.
And how did I exactly bash you? I just said that if a 21-year-old guy sleeps with a 14-year-old girl then there's something wrong with the guy and it's sad. And doesn't this rather sound like you'd do it yourself:
Some 14 year olds look hot. On mind level probably I would get bored but I am not a chicken like some people and I can tell you that some 14 or 15 year olds look good enough to me for some action! ?
It's not my fault you always manage to sound like a jerk. And no, I didn't say you're a jerk, just that you sound like one.

[Portugeezer]

And how did I exactly bash you? I just said that if a 21-year-old guy sleeps with a 14-year-old girl then there's something wrong with the guy and it's sad. And doesn't this rather sound like you'd do it yourself:
?
It's not my fault you always manage to sound like a jerk. And no, I didn't say you're a jerk, just that you sound like one.

Should this not be in a Football Forum????? :boo:

[Menasaur]

This thread is sickening, is this were all the paedophiles like to hang out or something? ItalianBoy, you got some major issues dude. :worried:

[valdanito_10]

would you stop provoking him Menasaur!


and ItalianBoy and MarieL, thats about enough! you two shopuld set examples!

[Menasaur]

I'm not provoking valdtido, he's just talking bout 12 yrd olds girls, 14 yr old girls etc, that's pretty grosse wouldn't you say.

[valdanito_10]

i wont say anything.... i dont agree or disagree i just dont really care!


but its the way u talk top him! lests try to keep the forum peaceful and friendly... those are the ones who have lasted long!

[Leon of Silvren]

Hey dude you can say whatever comes to your mind as long as you express yourself in a proper way, that means no offenses, no bad words, no provoking, etc.

[Portugeezer]

Sorry all but i have to agree with Menasaur on this one!!!...........Its supposed to be primarily a football site so why is this sort of chat going on.......very dodgy to say the least. :boo:

[Leon of Silvren]

Because there's 'away from soccer' talk also. We can't talk about football all the time mate, we also need to talk about other stuff as well.

[Portugeezer]

Because there's 'away from soccer' talk also. We can't talk about football all the time mate, we also need to talk about other stuff as well.

Thats fine..........but paedolphilia???........please!! :boo:

[Leon of Silvren]

Well this discussion was not meant to be, if you look back at the tread, you'll see that the topic just showed suddenly.

But why not discuss it?? I'm always open to any kind of discussions, football related or not.

[Portugeezer]

Well this discussion was not meant to be, if you look back at the tread, you'll see that the topic just showed suddenly.

But why not discuss it?? I'm always open to any kind of discussions, football related or not.

It seemed to me that Ita Boy was leading that way throughout....anyhow ive conveyed my view if you guys wanna talk bout that sort of thing then carry on. :boo:

[valdanito_10]

guys its just that leon is open for anything, and i mean anything! :silly:

[ItalianBoy]

I can set the example between smart and adult people who wont twist people posts around and say prick fag every two sentences like Menasaur.
MarieL, I think you are wrong but lets just say we misunderstood each other. Menasaur, dont know why you keep provoking me with stupid comments but I suggest you stop it dude. If you wanna chat soccer I am here for it and I accept alls opinions, but if you got to come here and write only bad words, I wont be on your degenrated level. :fed-up:

[lsgworldl]

I think he is saying by nature 14 yr olds can have sex, and he has seen some 14 and 15 yr olds who look much older then 14-15, he didnt say he would have sex with them, I understood what he meant

a old friend I used to work with had a daughter who was hot and looked like a model, turned out she was 13 or 14, I felt a bit guilty for thinking she was hot, but I never persued anything

some females just look older then they really are, esp with the amount of make up they wear and the clothes as well, as soon as they start there period they can have kids, that is what the period is, the lining of the womb, which lets them have kids, and each month they get a new one

[valdanito_10]

hahahahhaa, just when we thought it was all over the great old Isg come in! heheehehe

[MarieL]

some females just look older then they really are, esp with the amount of make up they wear and the clothes as well, as soon as they start there period they can have kids, that is what the period is, the lining of the womb, which lets them have kids, and each month they get a new one
I hope that's not all your knowledge of the female anatomy... :rolleyes:

Anyways Itaboy, fine, we'll call it mutual misunderstanding. And about your... views of the matter, let's just agree to disagree so Juan can drop the peacekeeper act for a sec.

[lsgworldl]

women can reproduce at 10-12

[Ese_Guy]

women can reproduce at 10-12
Girls

[Leon of Silvren]

Girls
In the nature view they're already women, but in the society view they're just girls, who has the right call??

[lsgworldl]

its nature, and some countrys say sex under 18 is wrong, some say under 10

[MarieL]

In the nature view they're already women, but in the society view they're just girls, who has the right call??
Well excuse me but I didn't know the ability to get pregnant makes one a woman. At the age of 10-12 most of your organs like the brain and the liver haven't even fully developed, so how can you possibly call a girl of that age a woman? That's absurd. It takes time to adapt to the changes your body goes through in puberty, that's why it starts so early, not so you can have sex as soon as possible.

[lsgworldl]

The fundamental difference between men and women is that the latter have two X chromosomes whereas the male has one X and one Y chromosomes. Although the rest of the chromosomal make up of men and women is the same the genetic differences caused by the differences in the sex chromosomes are responsible for all of the differences between the sexes.

The Y chromosome contains the genes for development of the testes - which produce the male sex hormone testosterone. Although this hormone is also present in women the larger amounts in males accounts for the male primary and secondary sexual characteristics including body fat distribution and muscle bulk. Without testosterone all men would be women ! On the converse females develop ovaries right from the embryonic stage which produce oestrogen leading to the development of female sexual characteristics.

It is these fundamental differences in hormones which lead to the differences observed between the sexes. These can be summarised as…

biomechanical differences
physical size
body fat distribution and percentage
menstruation vs sperm production
dietary requirements
effects of training
puberty and ageing
psychology and behaviour
Biomechanical differences.

The sex of skeletons can be determined from the shape of the forehead and the width of the pelvis and lower vertebrae. Whilst the first does not affect athletic performance the latter certainly does. A girl’s gait and ability to run fast alters dramatically following puberty due to the widening of the pelvis and the change in orientation of the hip muscles. In cycling terms this means women may require different saddles and a different angle of saddle tilt. Furthermore the obvious anatomical differences in this area need appropriate consideration in terms of position and clothing.

Women tend to have relatively longer legs in comparison with their height than men, with the thigh often accounting for a greater percentage of leg length. These factors need to be taken into account when setting up a female cyclist’s position or ordering a frame. Long thigh bones mean the saddle will need to be further back and the seat angle shallow. However, women with short legs (relative to their total height) will need a steeper frame angle and the seat further forward. Women also tend to have a shorter reach and weaker upper body than men of a similar height. This means that they need a relatively smaller frame size to allow for a reasonable stem length to be fitted (8/10cms minimum). As women are naturally more flexible a greater seat to bar height difference can usually be accommodated. Too many women are wrongly advised, purchase too larger frame and compensate by pushing their saddle forward and using a short stem. Thus the handling of the bike and the potential power output are impaired.

Women also tend to have smaller feet than men. As the foot forms part of the functional lever system when cycling the "109% of inside leg length rule" for saddle height cannot be applied (Gregor and Rugg, 1986). Indeed in one of the rare studies on female cyclists the optimum saddle height was 107% of pubic symphysis height. This may not seem much but computes to around 1.5cm for the "average" female. This study only looked at 10 women and foot size was not recorded (Nordeen-Synder, 1977). A women with a 28" inside leg and small feet would need the saddle considerably lower than a male with a similar leg length and size 12 feet ! Very little work has been published on the role of foot size in cycling but it certainly has an effect on rider position. Similarly, cra0nk length may need to be adjusted with smaller women , with petite feet, possibly benefiting from 165mm, as opposed to the standard 170cm, cranks.

The key muscles involved in the flexion and extension of the ankle, and thus in transmitting force along the foot lever to the pedal interface, are the calf (gastrocnemius) and shin (tibialis anterior) muscles. The shorter the distance from the ankle to the pedal interface (the ball of the foot) the greater the force required in this muscles. Thus the rider with larger feet has a greater mechanical advantage over the small footer rider.

Due to this mechanical disadvantage the fore and aft positioning of the saddle is even more critical. The saddle should be positioned so that maximum efficiency is attained in the transfer of muscle power from the knee extensor muscles (the quadricep group) to the pedal. Positioning the saddle so that a point just behind the patella (knee-cap) is vertically above the pedal spindle has been shown to be the most effective. Similarly, a smooth pedalling action with minimum resistance applied to the up-pedal stroke is required.

Physical size.

Women tend to be physically smaller than men. Larger cyclists have a lower oxygen requirement relative to body weight than small cyclists at a given speed meaning that women are disadvantaged even in flat time trials (Swain et al, 1988). In the hills percentage body fat and absolute body weight are more important so most women are again handicapped. Like their male counterparts small, lightly built women are more suited to hilly courses than taller, heavier riders who tend to excel at events on level ground.

Body fat distribution and percentage.

The key physiological differences between men and women relates to the fact that the male hormone testosterone is a much more potent anabolic agent than female oestrogen thus men tend to have larger, stronger muscles and less subcutaneous fat than women. On average women are 7-10% fatter than men. Top female runners tend to have 12-20% body fat compared to 5-10% for their male counterparts. This contrasts with 18-25% for elite female cyclists and 10-15% for elite males. This additional body fat is a consequence of being female and a difference that needs to be accepted by women athletes in general. Because body weight is supported in cycling fat does not present such a drawback as in running but accounts for the greater differences between men and women in hilly events as compared to flatter events.

The additional body fat does not seem to offer any benefits to women in endurance events even though up to 50% of the energy requirements may be met through fat metabolism. This is because a woman’s additional body fat is stored in localised deposits or sub-cutaneously rather than intra-muscle. The differences between male and female world records in endurance running events is greater than in the speed events although there have been instances where females have out-performed males. For example, in cross channel swimming several of the records are held by women and the late, great Beryl Burton OBE held the 12hr cycling record outright. In both these events weight bearing is less than in running and, in swimming, the higher body fat of women improves insulation and buoyancy and reduces drag. However, in general, there is no scientific evidence to suggest body fat offers women any advantages in endurance events such as cycle racing.

Fatty tissue provides a site for steroid hormone inter-conversion thus maintaining sufficient circulating levels of oestrogen. Early research suggested that low levels of body fat (below 17-18%) was responsible for disruption of menstruation. Presently, there are no well defined limits for body fat and inter-personal differences are great. There are many factors which may influence disruption of menses, including weight loss, low weight, nutritional inadequacy, physical or emotional stress, and levels of certain hormones such as endogenous opiates and cortisol. It is likely that the cause lies in a combination of factors rather than one alone.

Menstrual dysfunction does not only involve total absence or irregular menstruation, but also luteal phase deficiency and anovulation - both of which influence fertility.

Lack of oestrogen and menstrual problems may lead to a number of other problems including :

loss of bone density possibly provoking stress fractures in the short term and increasing the risk of osteoporosis in later life
possible increased risk of breast and endometrial cancer.
Furthermore being underweight and restriction of calories can lead to :

reduced immunity from bacterial and viral infections
increased recovery time from training
reduced effectiveness of training.
In summary, whilst women cyclists should endeavour to keep their body fat down to a reasonable level, they must ensure that their diet contains enough calories and carbohydrate to support the rigours of training and competition (Shangold and Mirkin, 1993).

Menstruation, puberty and the menopause.

Girls tend to reach puberty earlier than boys. This means the advantages of early maturity seen in the junior boys ranks are less prevalent in girls racing. It also means that whilst 13 year old girls will often be able to beat boys of the same age in races, by the age of 14 or 15 when the boys have started to go through puberty the advantage has been lost. Excessive exercise tends to delay puberty by about 5 months for every year of training with the associated medical, physical and psychological problems. At the other end of the scale there is no evidence that exercise has any effect on the date of the menopause. Exercise will however protect against some of the side effects of the menopause such as fatigue and bone loss although over-training may exacerbate the problems.

Women frequently ask questions relating to exercise and menstruation. There is no evidence that exercise of any type during menstruation is harmful nor that menstruation causes a drop in performance. Indeed some women feel they perform better at this time. Heavy bleeding may lead to anaemia which will cause lethargy and tiredness. Also the hormonal changes prior to menstruation may lead to bloating and fatigue. The symptoms of PMS have been largely attributed to a drop in the brain levels of serotonin or 5HT (Shangold and Mirkin, 1993). Exercise itself increases brain levels of 5HT as does carbohydrate ingestion. The craving for chocolate is related to this but sadly the high fat content has the wrong effect - better to reach for the jam sandwich or fruit !

The contraceptive pill offers women some protection against hormonal fluctuations caused by increased levels of training. It also alleviates PMS symptoms and can, in special circumstances, be used to manipulate periods but this should only be carried out with the consent of a medical practitioner. The reduced blood loss during "periods" will also be of benefits to athletes who often experience anaemia. Although a few women may experience mild side effects (most of which can be alleviated by changing formulations) the contraceptive pill, or hormone replacement therapy, offers female athletes numerous benefits. There is no evidence to suggests that these hormonal therapies have a deleterious effect on athletic performance.

Dietary requirements.

Despite the observation that women tend to perspire less than men there is no evidence that they need less fluid nor that they can tolerate heat better. Women also need as much protein and fat as men relative to their body weight. The dietary requirements for men and women are broadly similar with a few exceptions :

fewer total calories : because less weight and less muscle mass
extra iron and calcium to prevent anaemia and maintain or promote bone density
athletes on the contraceptive pill should take a multivitamin / mineral supplement as these drugs may affect absorbtion and metabolism of certain vitamins (Liska, 1997)
The absolute amount of carbohydrate required will depend upon the individual concerned and the duration and intensity of training/competition. Total carbohydrate requirements of 2000 calories per day are not uncommon even for women endurance cyclists. However, experience has shown that most women cyclists (as in common with many other female athletes) are over pre-occupied with their weight and underestimate their nutritional needs. Like most endurance athletes women cyclists are often guilty of eating far too little carbohydrate and would benefit from additional intake without risk of increasing weight. This is due to an increase in the training potential of the body and a resultant increase in metabolic rate (Anderson, 1997).

Training and recovery.

The differences between the performances of men and women athletes are greatest in the lower ranks. This can be explained by the differences in lean body mass and muscle fibre size.

Interestingly, the differences between the VO2max of elite men and women athletes can almost all be accounted for by the differences in lean body mass, red blood cell number and physique. Absolute maximal oxygen consumption (L.min-1) is typically 40% or more greater in men than women of similar athletic standing. When body weight is taken into consideration (ml. min- kg-1) this difference is reduced to 20%. It decreases to less than 10% if expressed relative to lean body weight. Thus body fat accounts for almost all of the differences in VO2 max between men and women. The remaining differences being accounted for by physical (eg gait) and haematological factors (Shangold and Mirkin, 1993)

Women use the same number of calories per hour of exercise as men - (relative to lean body weight) and have similar ratios of Type I and Type II fibres. The production and clearance of lactic acid is also the same. Women, however, tend to have smaller hearts than men and higher heart rates at the same level of exertion, even when expressed as a percentage of maximum attainable. This needs to be taken into consideration when prescribing training levels purely on heart rate (visa vi BCF guidelines - which were based on a male). Using perceived rate of intensity as an additional tool is recommended. A number of texts recommend the equation 226 minus age for predicting maximal heart rates in females although, like 220-age, this rule only applies in around 55% of instances ! The variation in maximum heart rate and the relationship between VO2 and heart rate varies considerably between individuals even of the same sex, thus all athletes must learn to listen to their own bodies and training accordingly.

Psychology and behaviour.

The hormonal differences between men and women may also be responsible for the distinctions in behaviour pattern. Testosterone and related male hormones are often considered as responsible for aggression and drive. When training females it is possible that they may need to be driven harder in order to attain the levels of training overload needed for effect.

The gender gap.

Several articles published in the early 1980’s predicted that, based on trends at that time, women’s athletic performances would catch up with men’s by 1998 for the marathon and early in the 21st century for shorter events. These predictions are clearly not going to be achieved. Indeed, women’s records are now falling at a slower rate than the men’s - both in athletics and cycling. Thus the difference between male and female records is now wider than ten years ago as illustrated in the figure below.



It has been suggested that the decrease in the rate of improvements in records is due to the success of drug testing in reducing the use of anabolic agents (Seiler and Sailer, 1997). Due to the lower normal testosterone levels women would clearly be more advantaged by the use of such drugs and, conversely, furthering records in the absence of pharmacological aids would be harder. Nevertheless, records continue to be broken, all-be-it at a slower rate by "clean" athletes based on hard work and dedication.

Summary

The effects of training on the female body are the same as the male and the main differences between possible levels of attainment are body fat percentage, physical differences in stature and the anabolic effects of testosterone.

Women athletes must learn to be proud of being female and accept their differences (and not overly compare themselves with their male counterparts). A rationalised and specific training programme coupled with a good diet and appropriate recovery will help a female athlete attain her goals and help her compete equally against other females.

References and further reading.

The effect of bicycle seat height variation upon oxygen consumption and lower limb kinematics, Nordeen-Synder, KS (1977) Medicine and Science in Sport, 5, p116-120

Effects of saddle height and pedalling cadence on power output and efficiency, Gregor, RJ and Rugg SG (1986) in Science of Cycling, ed. Burke ER, Human Kinetics Press

Is there an optimum body size for competitive cycling, Swain DP et al (1988) in Medical and Scientific Aspects of Cycling, ed Burke ER and Newsom MM, Human Kinetics Press

Women and Exercise, Physiology and Sports Medicine. Shangold M and Mirkin G. (1993) FA Davies publishers

Exercise and bone mineral density, Chilibeck PD et al (1994) Sports Medicine 19, 103-122

Female Athletes (1995) Peak Performance Special Supplement 59

How to avoid stress fractures, Korkia P (1996) Peak Performance 67, 1-2

Fat and carbohydrate go to war, Anderson O (1997), Peak Performance, 90, p2-10

Drugs and the human body, Liska K (1997) Prentice Hall publishing.

The gender gap : elite women are running further behind, Seiler S and Sailer S, (1997) Sportscience News, www/sportsci.org

Auriel Forrester is Head of the Department of Sport and Exercise Science at the University of Luton and is an ABCC Senior Coach. Auriel is also a competitive cyclist and a former National medalist. Pirkko Korkia is a Senior Lecturer in the same Department and a triathlete. Her main area of research is menstrual function, bone strength and stress fractures in female athletes.

For further information please contact either the University on 01582 489103 or e-mail auriel.forrester@luton.ac.uk

http://freespace.virgin.net/martin.shakeshaft/women.html

[Leon of Silvren]

Well excuse me but I didn't know the ability to get pregnant makes one a woman. At the age of 10-12 most of your organs like the brain and the liver haven't even fully developed, so how can you possibly call a girl of that age a woman? That's absurd. It takes time to adapt to the changes your body goes through in puberty, that's why it starts so early, not so you can have sex as soon as possible.
I think we're never get to an arrangement, but try to imagine this: if you haven't have a mom, older sister or aunt that told you that sex is wrong, and that you have to wait till you're married to have sex, when do you think you would've started having sex??

[Gennadios]

The fundamental difference between men and women is that the latter have two X chromosomes whereas the male has one X and one Y chromosomes. Although the rest of the chromosomal make up of men and women is the same the genetic differences caused by the differences in the sex chromosomes are responsible for all of the differences between the sexes.

The Y chromosome contains the genes for development of the testes - which produce the male sex hormone testosterone. Although this hormone is also present in women the larger amounts in males accounts for the male primary and secondary sexual characteristics including body fat distribution and muscle bulk. Without testosterone all men would be women ! On the converse females develop ovaries right from the embryonic stage which produce oestrogen leading to the development of female sexual characteristics.

It is these fundamental differences in hormones which lead to the differences observed between the sexes. These can be summarised as…

biomechanical differences
physical size
body fat distribution and percentage
menstruation vs sperm production
dietary requirements
effects of training
puberty and ageing
psychology and behaviour
Biomechanical differences.

The sex of skeletons can be determined from the shape of the forehead and the width of the pelvis and lower vertebrae. Whilst the first does not affect athletic performance the latter certainly does. A girl’s gait and ability to run fast alters dramatically following puberty due to the widening of the pelvis and the change in orientation of the hip muscles. In cycling terms this means women may require different saddles and a different angle of saddle tilt. Furthermore the obvious anatomical differences in this area need appropriate consideration in terms of position and clothing.

Women tend to have relatively longer legs in comparison with their height than men, with the thigh often accounting for a greater percentage of leg length. These factors need to be taken into account when setting up a female cyclist’s position or ordering a frame. Long thigh bones mean the saddle will need to be further back and the seat angle shallow. However, women with short legs (relative to their total height) will need a steeper frame angle and the seat further forward. Women also tend to have a shorter reach and weaker upper body than men of a similar height. This means that they need a relatively smaller frame size to allow for a reasonable stem length to be fitted (8/10cms minimum). As women are naturally more flexible a greater seat to bar height difference can usually be accommodated. Too many women are wrongly advised, purchase too larger frame and compensate by pushing their saddle forward and using a short stem. Thus the handling of the bike and the potential power output are impaired.

Women also tend to have smaller feet than men. As the foot forms part of the functional lever system when cycling the "109% of inside leg length rule" for saddle height cannot be applied (Gregor and Rugg, 1986). Indeed in one of the rare studies on female cyclists the optimum saddle height was 107% of pubic symphysis height. This may not seem much but computes to around 1.5cm for the "average" female. This study only looked at 10 women and foot size was not recorded (Nordeen-Synder, 1977). A women with a 28" inside leg and small feet would need the saddle considerably lower than a male with a similar leg length and size 12 feet ! Very little work has been published on the role of foot size in cycling but it certainly has an effect on rider position. Similarly, cra0nk length may need to be adjusted with smaller women , with petite feet, possibly benefiting from 165mm, as opposed to the standard 170cm, cranks.

The key muscles involved in the flexion and extension of the ankle, and thus in transmitting force along the foot lever to the pedal interface, are the calf (gastrocnemius) and shin (tibialis anterior) muscles. The shorter the distance from the ankle to the pedal interface (the ball of the foot) the greater the force required in this muscles. Thus the rider with larger feet has a greater mechanical advantage over the small footer rider.

Due to this mechanical disadvantage the fore and aft positioning of the saddle is even more critical. The saddle should be positioned so that maximum efficiency is attained in the transfer of muscle power from the knee extensor muscles (the quadricep group) to the pedal. Positioning the saddle so that a point just behind the patella (knee-cap) is vertically above the pedal spindle has been shown to be the most effective. Similarly, a smooth pedalling action with minimum resistance applied to the up-pedal stroke is required.

Physical size.

Women tend to be physically smaller than men. Larger cyclists have a lower oxygen requirement relative to body weight than small cyclists at a given speed meaning that women are disadvantaged even in flat time trials (Swain et al, 1988). In the hills percentage body fat and absolute body weight are more important so most women are again handicapped. Like their male counterparts small, lightly built women are more suited to hilly courses than taller, heavier riders who tend to excel at events on level ground.

Body fat distribution and percentage.

The key physiological differences between men and women relates to the fact that the male hormone testosterone is a much more potent anabolic agent than female oestrogen thus men tend to have larger, stronger muscles and less subcutaneous fat than women. On average women are 7-10% fatter than men. Top female runners tend to have 12-20% body fat compared to 5-10% for their male counterparts. This contrasts with 18-25% for elite female cyclists and 10-15% for elite males. This additional body fat is a consequence of being female and a difference that needs to be accepted by women athletes in general. Because body weight is supported in cycling fat does not present such a drawback as in running but accounts for the greater differences between men and women in hilly events as compared to flatter events.

The additional body fat does not seem to offer any benefits to women in endurance events even though up to 50% of the energy requirements may be met through fat metabolism. This is because a woman’s additional body fat is stored in localised deposits or sub-cutaneously rather than intra-muscle. The differences between male and female world records in endurance running events is greater than in the speed events although there have been instances where females have out-performed males. For example, in cross channel swimming several of the records are held by women and the late, great Beryl Burton OBE held the 12hr cycling record outright. In both these events weight bearing is less than in running and, in swimming, the higher body fat of women improves insulation and buoyancy and reduces drag. However, in general, there is no scientific evidence to suggest body fat offers women any advantages in endurance events such as cycle racing.

Fatty tissue provides a site for steroid hormone inter-conversion thus maintaining sufficient circulating levels of oestrogen. Early research suggested that low levels of body fat (below 17-18%) was responsible for disruption of menstruation. Presently, there are no well defined limits for body fat and inter-personal differences are great. There are many factors which may influence disruption of menses, including weight loss, low weight, nutritional inadequacy, physical or emotional stress, and levels of certain hormones such as endogenous opiates and cortisol. It is likely that the cause lies in a combination of factors rather than one alone.

Menstrual dysfunction does not only involve total absence or irregular menstruation, but also luteal phase deficiency and anovulation - both of which influence fertility.

Lack of oestrogen and menstrual problems may lead to a number of other problems including :

loss of bone density possibly provoking stress fractures in the short term and increasing the risk of osteoporosis in later life
possible increased risk of breast and endometrial cancer.
Furthermore being underweight and restriction of calories can lead to :

reduced immunity from bacterial and viral infections
increased recovery time from training
reduced effectiveness of training.
In summary, whilst women cyclists should endeavour to keep their body fat down to a reasonable level, they must ensure that their diet contains enough calories and carbohydrate to support the rigours of training and competition (Shangold and Mirkin, 1993).

Menstruation, puberty and the menopause.

Girls tend to reach puberty earlier than boys. This means the advantages of early maturity seen in the junior boys ranks are less prevalent in girls racing. It also means that whilst 13 year old girls will often be able to beat boys of the same age in races, by the age of 14 or 15 when the boys have started to go through puberty the advantage has been lost. Excessive exercise tends to delay puberty by about 5 months for every year of training with the associated medical, physical and psychological problems. At the other end of the scale there is no evidence that exercise has any effect on the date of the menopause. Exercise will however protect against some of the side effects of the menopause such as fatigue and bone loss although over-training may exacerbate the problems.

Women frequently ask questions relating to exercise and menstruation. There is no evidence that exercise of any type during menstruation is harmful nor that menstruation causes a drop in performance. Indeed some women feel they perform better at this time. Heavy bleeding may lead to anaemia which will cause lethargy and tiredness. Also the hormonal changes prior to menstruation may lead to bloating and fatigue. The symptoms of PMS have been largely attributed to a drop in the brain levels of serotonin or 5HT (Shangold and Mirkin, 1993). Exercise itself increases brain levels of 5HT as does carbohydrate ingestion. The craving for chocolate is related to this but sadly the high fat content has the wrong effect - better to reach for the jam sandwich or fruit !

The contraceptive pill offers women some protection against hormonal fluctuations caused by increased levels of training. It also alleviates PMS symptoms and can, in special circumstances, be used to manipulate periods but this should only be carried out with the consent of a medical practitioner. The reduced blood loss during "periods" will also be of benefits to athletes who often experience anaemia. Although a few women may experience mild side effects (most of which can be alleviated by changing formulations) the contraceptive pill, or hormone replacement therapy, offers female athletes numerous benefits. There is no evidence to suggests that these hormonal therapies have a deleterious effect on athletic performance.

Dietary requirements.

Despite the observation that women tend to perspire less than men there is no evidence that they need less fluid nor that they can tolerate heat better. Women also need as much protein and fat as men relative to their body weight. The dietary requirements for men and women are broadly similar with a few exceptions :

fewer total calories : because less weight and less muscle mass
extra iron and calcium to prevent anaemia and maintain or promote bone density
athletes on the contraceptive pill should take a multivitamin / mineral supplement as these drugs may affect absorbtion and metabolism of certain vitamins (Liska, 1997)
The absolute amount of carbohydrate required will depend upon the individual concerned and the duration and intensity of training/competition. Total carbohydrate requirements of 2000 calories per day are not uncommon even for women endurance cyclists. However, experience has shown that most women cyclists (as in common with many other female athletes) are over pre-occupied with their weight and underestimate their nutritional needs. Like most endurance athletes women cyclists are often guilty of eating far too little carbohydrate and would benefit from additional intake without risk of increasing weight. This is due to an increase in the training potential of the body and a resultant increase in metabolic rate (Anderson, 1997).

Training and recovery.

The differences between the performances of men and women athletes are greatest in the lower ranks. This can be explained by the differences in lean body mass and muscle fibre size.

Interestingly, the differences between the VO2max of elite men and women athletes can almost all be accounted for by the differences in lean body mass, red blood cell number and physique. Absolute maximal oxygen consumption (L.min-1) is typically 40% or more greater in men than women of similar athletic standing. When body weight is taken into consideration (ml. min- kg-1) this difference is reduced to 20%. It decreases to less than 10% if expressed relative to lean body weight. Thus body fat accounts for almost all of the differences in VO2 max between men and women. The remaining differences being accounted for by physical (eg gait) and haematological factors (Shangold and Mirkin, 1993)

Women use the same number of calories per hour of exercise as men - (relative to lean body weight) and have similar ratios of Type I and Type II fibres. The production and clearance of lactic acid is also the same. Women, however, tend to have smaller hearts than men and higher heart rates at the same level of exertion, even when expressed as a percentage of maximum attainable. This needs to be taken into consideration when prescribing training levels purely on heart rate (visa vi BCF guidelines - which were based on a male). Using perceived rate of intensity as an additional tool is recommended. A number of texts recommend the equation 226 minus age for predicting maximal heart rates in females although, like 220-age, this rule only applies in around 55% of instances ! The variation in maximum heart rate and the relationship between VO2 and heart rate varies considerably between individuals even of the same sex, thus all athletes must learn to listen to their own bodies and training accordingly.

Psychology and behaviour.

The hormonal differences between men and women may also be responsible for the distinctions in behaviour pattern. Testosterone and related male hormones are often considered as responsible for aggression and drive. When training females it is possible that they may need to be driven harder in order to attain the levels of training overload needed for effect.

The gender gap.

Several articles published in the early 1980’s predicted that, based on trends at that time, women’s athletic performances would catch up with men’s by 1998 for the marathon and early in the 21st century for shorter events. These predictions are clearly not going to be achieved. Indeed, women’s records are now falling at a slower rate than the men’s - both in athletics and cycling. Thus the difference between male and female records is now wider than ten years ago as illustrated in the figure below.



It has been suggested that the decrease in the rate of improvements in records is due to the success of drug testing in reducing the use of anabolic agents (Seiler and Sailer, 1997). Due to the lower normal testosterone levels women would clearly be more advantaged by the use of such drugs and, conversely, furthering records in the absence of pharmacological aids would be harder. Nevertheless, records continue to be broken, all-be-it at a slower rate by "clean" athletes based on hard work and dedication.

Summary

The effects of training on the female body are the same as the male and the main differences between possible levels of attainment are body fat percentage, physical differences in stature and the anabolic effects of testosterone.

Women athletes must learn to be proud of being female and accept their differences (and not overly compare themselves with their male counterparts). A rationalised and specific training programme coupled with a good diet and appropriate recovery will help a female athlete attain her goals and help her compete equally against other females.

References and further reading.

The effect of bicycle seat height variation upon oxygen consumption and lower limb kinematics, Nordeen-Synder, KS (1977) Medicine and Science in Sport, 5, p116-120

Effects of saddle height and pedalling cadence on power output and efficiency, Gregor, RJ and Rugg SG (1986) in Science of Cycling, ed. Burke ER, Human Kinetics Press

Is there an optimum body size for competitive cycling, Swain DP et al (1988) in Medical and Scientific Aspects of Cycling, ed Burke ER and Newsom MM, Human Kinetics Press

Women and Exercise, Physiology and Sports Medicine. Shangold M and Mirkin G. (1993) FA Davies publishers

Exercise and bone mineral density, Chilibeck PD et al (1994) Sports Medicine 19, 103-122

Female Athletes (1995) Peak Performance Special Supplement 59

How to avoid stress fractures, Korkia P (1996) Peak Performance 67, 1-2

Fat and carbohydrate go to war, Anderson O (1997), Peak Performance, 90, p2-10

Drugs and the human body, Liska K (1997) Prentice Hall publishing.

The gender gap : elite women are running further behind, Seiler S and Sailer S, (1997) Sportscience News, www/sportsci.org

Auriel Forrester is Head of the Department of Sport and Exercise Science at the University of Luton and is an ABCC Senior Coach. Auriel is also a competitive cyclist and a former National medalist. Pirkko Korkia is a Senior Lecturer in the same Department and a triathlete. Her main area of research is menstrual function, bone strength and stress fractures in female athletes.

For further information please contact either the University on 01582 489103 or e-mail auriel.forrester@luton.ac.uk

http://freespace.virgin.net/martin.shakeshaft/women.html

Goddamn, I just came back from school ( actually, vietnamese school )

thats the last type of stuff i wanna read...

[valdanito_10]

hahahahaha! i love this thread

[Leon of Silvren]

LOL you too?? I thought it was only me!! :silly:

[MarieL]

Men... :rolleyes: (Boys)

Leon no one has ever told me sex is wrong, no one, nor that I should wait until marriage, coz frankly that can be a pretty big mistake you know.
But we were talking about 10-12-year-old girls being called women. That's just not possible unless you only think of a woman as someone with reproductive organs.

[U.S.A._soccer]

I just came from a womens bed and I think she is like 40 I dunno, she has a 15 year old girl lol

guys nobody wanted to know that seriously...

[Will317]

guys nobody wanted to know that seriously...
Yeah, I didn't see that post myself. That's the kind of thing I'd certainly rather not know... :dontcare:

[lsgworldl]

I sleapt at her house and I said I dont know her age, and she has a 15 yr old daughter (she dosnt live with her mother though) and I said I guessed she was 40 but she is 37 :smoking: guys nobody wanted to know that seriously...

[Leon of Silvren]

Men... :rolleyes: (Boys)

Leon no one has ever told me sex is wrong, no one, nor that I should wait until marriage, coz frankly that can be a pretty big mistake you know.
But we were talking about 10-12-year-old girls being called women. That's just not possible unless you only think of a woman as someone with reproductive organs.
Well you were lucky then, but it's very common (maybe not in these times, but it was in ours....you're 18 right?) that the parents told their daughters that sex is wrong and that they should wait until marriage. And of course I know that for calling someone a woman should have certain maturity. But my point is that some of those girls are more mature than many of my female friends who are 18-19 years old, I'm talking about 14-15 year old girls, not 10-12.

[MarieL]

women can reproduce at 10-12
This is where this thing started. Then Ese_Guy corrected him by saying 'Girls' and then you said that from nature's point of view they're women, which is not true.

[valdanito_10]

hahahahahahahhahaa!

[MarieL]

What's so funny? :annoyed:
This is a serious matter.

[Ese_Guy]

It all has to do with maturity.
The female is able to reproduce at a young age, say 12. The male can reproduce at about the same time.

Any fool can have kids, but it takes a man or woman to raise them.

[Leon of Silvren]

This is where this thing started. Then Ese_Guy corrected him by saying 'Girls' and then you said that from nature's point of view they're women, which is not true.
Back in the times when the human being just followed its instincts, how old do you think the females were when the process of reproduction started for them??

We don't see things in the nature point of view anymore, if you see someone walking naked on the street you'll get shocked don't you?? However that's the nature of things and should be seen normally, but no one does.

[MarieL]

Back in the times when the human being just followed its instincts, how old do you think the females were when the process of reproduction started for them??

We don't see things in the nature point of view anymore, if you see someone walking naked on the street you'll get shocked don't you?? However that's the nature of things and should be seen normally, but no one does.
I think we're just arguing about the definition of the word woman here. Yes a female can produce at the age of 12 but she's not both physically and mentally developed yet so I wouldn't call her a woman. Ever.

[lsgworldl]

I think it started here

ItalianBoy...........14????? Is that even LEGAL???

[valdanito_10]

well so we all gree lets pout it this say!

like britney says


shes not a girl, not yet a woman

[MarieL]

She is a girl. Not Britney that is.

[Leon of Silvren]

Well the definition of the word 'woman' can vary from person to person, we're never going to set an arrangement here, I say it depends on each person, you can't say 'females from 18 and above are women'.....it's all about maturity. But also there are some majority that should be should be counted, I think after 18-19 a female is a woman, however there are many, many 14-15 year olds that can be labelled as women also.

Just out of curiosity, how old a female has to be for being called a woman by you MarieL??

[Ese_Guy]

For me, in general a girl becomes a woman after she turns 25.

[Leon of Silvren]

Again, that depends on which side you see the things. There's no established standards to measure that.

[Ese_Guy]

You're right, there is no standard and there shouldn't be any - humans are not machines.

That is why I said for "me" and "in general", meaning from my experience, observation and perspective.

With that, I've noticed that most do not actually mature until they reach that age. Not that they have to or that 25 is a magic number. Also, anyone under, say 18 or 19 is still a kid (female or male).

[Menasaur]

Don't think Leo will ever become a woman. Will always remain a squimish 10 yr old little girl who spontaneously cums in her panties when seeing Ronaldo on TV. :)

[valdanito_10]

u really like this forum dont u?

[ItalianBoy]

MarieL, yes, it has to do with reproducing and thats it. We are here on earth to reproduce the rest is details. When you do it is a diff thing, but nature has chosen "women" to be able to have kids at a certain age. Its not about the sex as in a pleasure of form but merely the going on of the specie. Get what I mean? If you tell me to go on a date with a 14 year old, I will think about it twice if you dont mind, but "technically" there is nothing wrong to have sex with her, except if you are a mormon who all he/she read is how god is this and that, bs basically.

[valdanito_10]

She is a girl. Not Britney that is.
there she goes... there she goes again!


there he is is italianboy is back again!


here is starts here is starts again

[MarieL]

Whatever! We're still talking about the definition of the word here and everyone has their own. Why did we ever get this "smart" if we're supposed to just follow our instincts? Well like I said, whatever! I'm out. Bye.

[Ese_Guy]

I understand your frustration MarieL.

BTW, nature didn't make man.
FEMALE is the human gender that is capable of carrying another human life within her.
What we choose to call her, is up to society, i.e. man.

[lsgworldl]

Whatever! We're still talking about the definition of the word here and everyone has their own. Why did we ever get this "smart" if we're supposed to just follow our instincts? Well like I said, whatever! I'm out. Bye.
a girl becomes a women when she has her first period, thus having a womn, end of story

just like a baby muse becomes an adult mouse when it can jave baby mice, or a kitten in to a cat when it can have kittens of its own

[valdanito_10]

a a gilr who can have a baby is not a woman, shes just a GIRL who can have a baby.


just like little kids ejaculate

[lsgworldl]

there is no set age when w grl becomes a women

[ItalianBoy]

Little kids do not ejaculate, boys ejaculate when they become "man" that is also around 14. MarieL, you abosolutely make no sense in your last post.

[MarieL]

Well let's see if this makes more sense to you. (not holding my breath though...) I have a Collins Cobuild Advanced learner's English dictionary and when I looked up the word woman, it said "A woman is an adult female human being." Notice the word adult, not adolescent, ADULT! Same goes for the word man. "A man is an adult male human being." Clear enough for you?
"Adolescent is used to describe young people who are no longer children but who have not yet become adults. It also refers to their behaviour." That's what 14-year-olds are. And 15 and 16 and 17 and 18. After that it depends on the person in question.

[Leon of Silvren]

Ok if we follow your dictionary definitions Paula, the word adult means:

1.Having attained full size and strength; grown up; mature: an adult person, animal, or plant.
2. a person who is fully grown or developed or of age.
3. a full-grown animal or plant.
4. a person who has attained the age of maturity as specified by law.

So, a 21-old-year 'woman' who isn't responsible, acts like a child, doesn't work, doesn't study, have one child but her mom takes care of the kid, a woman with those characteristics can still be labelled as a 'woman' just because she has fully developed her body?? There's something wrong about it don't you think??

[MarieL]

Yes there is something wrong, I wouldn't call some 25-year-olds women. But that doesn't work both ways. Females under 18 can very rarely be called women, 14-year-olds never.

[lsgworldl]

Sorry but in the UK your an adult to ride the bus at 13 or 14 but an adult to drnk at 18, and 16 to buy ciggies, and 16 to buy lottery tckets, so at 14 or so you are classed as an adult to ride the bus or train, but you cant vote, the age you said at 18 to become an adult is not the same in all countrys, in som you are an adult at 12

http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/puke.gif :rolleyes: Well let's see if this makes more sense to you. (not holding my breath though...) I have a Collins Cobuild Advanced learner's English dictionary and when I looked up the word woman, it said "A woman is an adult female human being." Notice the word adult, not adolescent, ADULT! Same goes for the word man. "A man is an adult male human being." Clear enough for you?
"Adolescent is used to describe young people who are no longer children but who have not yet become adults. It also refers to their behaviour." That's what 14-year-olds are. And 15 and 16 and 17 and 18. After that it depends on the person in question.

[MarieL]

Sorry but in the UK your an adult to ride the bus at 13 or 14 but an adult to drnk at 18, and 16 to buy ciggies, and 16 to buy lottery tckets, so at 14 or so you are classed as an adult to ride the bus or train, but you cant vote, the age you said at 18 to become an adult is not the same in all countrys, in som you are an adult at 12

http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/puke.gif :rolleyes:
Hahaha, you know lsgworldl, just coz they treat you like an adult it doesn't mean you are one. A 13 or 14-year-old takes as much space in the buss as an adult so why shouldn't s/he pay the same amount? 16-year-olds can buy ciggies (not here) and lottery tickets coz they're old enough to realize they're throwing their money away. You shouldn't drink before you're 18 coz your liver might not be fully developed yet, which people seem to not care about at all, but that's not my problem. And in which countries exactly are 12-year-olds defined as adults by the law? In some little island on the Pacific?
You sure are good at twisting things, but not that good.

[lsgworldl]

you can legaly drink at home at 5 years old

go look up the age of conset\nt for other countries, I might even have posted them in this thread

a 13 or 1`4 yr old takes no more room up then a 10 yr old but the 10 yr old is half fare

[MarieL]

Well they gotta draw the line somewhere when it comes to buss fares. They simply just wanna make profit and the sooner you pay full fares the more they make money. And if you're gonna start telling me next that 5-year-olds are adults then oooh lord.

[Leon of Silvren]

When did alcohol entered in the conversation?? We should keep it though, a couple of beers aren't bad for no one, ever. :p

Back to topic, and to serious matters, you're saying that some 25 year olds shouldn't be called women, but you also say that none 14 year olds should be called women. Now I ask, why the exception of the rule that applyies to the 25's can't be applyied to the 14's as well?? (let's call them 15's, is a nicer number :D )

[MarieL]

Leon, I already told you it doesn't work both ways. No one is an adult before 18 or at least 17 but you can stay as an immature brat all your life. But if we're talking on purely biological terms then yes a 25-year-old is a woman. Howcome I feel this conversation is going nowhere...

[lsgworldl]

your a women when you have your first period

[Leon of Silvren]

I feel it too.... :dontcare:

But we are talking about it from what point of view?? Physical or psychological?? Because physically a woman is not a woman until her body is fully developed, but phychologically there's no age for that, is a matter of maturity, that can be achieved at the age of 12 or 30, it depends on each person.

[Menasaur]

I feel it too.... :dontcare:

But we are talking about it from what point of view?? Physical or psychological?? Because physically a woman is not a woman until her body is fully developed, but phychologically there's no age for that, is a matter of maturity, that can be achieved at the age of 12 or 30, it depends on each person.

The words of Doctor Frankenstein here. :dead: :o

[valdanito_10]

at 12?

[lsgworldl]

LMFAo you are saying a womn isnt a women when she is ovewr 18 lmfao, that is just sad

[Leon of Silvren]

at 12?
Why not?

[lsgworldl]

the lolita fantasy, mmmmmmmmmmmmm lol

[Leon of Silvren]

We are not talking about intercourse here....

[valdanito_10]

isg, are u with the pervs or the agles, i have a feeling ur one of the pervs :silly:

[persianpunisher]

Jihad!!! Bitches

[Ese_Guy]

No mod in this forum, huh?

[Leon of Silvren]

You said it, no mods in this forum.

[Will317]

You said it, no mods in this forum.
I'll do it! :)

[7becks7]

I think this can be a never ending argument, I think the underlying issue here is depending on societies and the notion with which you grow up you have certain opinions about these issues. This is a difficult topic to debate, since it's hard for some people to imagine a girl 14 years of age as a woman, and on the other hand, it's hard for someone to understand why a "girl" of 14 years of age shouldn't be considered a woman.

[lsgworldl]

We are not talking about intercourse here....I never mentioned intercourse, there is a flim called lolita, good film, fantasy and reality two diffrent things

[lsgworldl]

no such things as angel or perv, I like good looking women and I look at them

[quenonino]

:worried: :worried: :worried: :rolleyes:

International Testosterone Competition?

Under 14's vs Over 14's?

What's the score? :rolleyes:

[merseyboyred]

Thats one huge bump!

:lol: At this thread, some of you have some weird tastes ;)

[Toke-E-Yo]

what a wierd ***kin thread....I dont think too many ppl enjoy talking abotu when "guys can ejaculate" :tsk:

[Panathinaikos2]

This thread is some what amusing. From japanease taking over accounts to 21 year olds fantasizing about having sexual intercourses with 14 year olds.

[chuncho_azul]

lol,how did i miss this thread,lol :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Toke-E-Yo]

This thread is some what amusing. From japanease taking over accounts to 21 year olds fantasizing about having sexual intercourses with 14 year olds.
a bit of a ***ked thread really....

[Panathinaikos2]

How can such a ***ked up thread reach 10 pages?

[quenonino]

How can such a ***ked up thread reach 10 pages?

The power of testosterone Panathinaikos! that must be the secret ;)

Thank god 4 soccer(the best cure for stress and abstinence) otherwise... :boom: :sad: :sad:

Maybe someone misspelled the title:Imposters or Impotents? Very confusing indeed :alien: