What Cuper has cost us

[Inter09]

well i dont know why im starting this probably just to show you what our former coach has cost us. this topic may have already been done and talked about but im going to bring it up again since we are in transfer season again and we finally have an attacking coach who could have used the players cuper turned away to make us by far the best team in the world. Heres the list

Ronaldinho (WTF was he thinking, Ronaldinho actually i want to goto inter after WC win)
kaka
ronaldo
seedorf
pirlo
frey

no can we all sit back and imagine what might have been if we had just a couple of those players now with mancini. Now i know we cant soley blaim it on cuper because our terrible transfers before him included selling one of the best left backs of all time Roberto carlos. But ultimately the coach has the final say of the players he wants on his list. all those players are now among the best in the world.imagine if they were still ours or imagine if we had purchased wisely.

[GiorgioII]

I actually think Cuper was a very good coach for the CL matches becaue we just defended the 2nd leg :rolleyes:

But as well as all of these players that we lost because of him, we must also remember that he has cost this team style and has crushed an attacking mentality in this team. A coach of 2 and a half season drills his mentality into a team and Inter still hasn't recovered from playing defensively.

But have no fear, under Mancini we will attack, attack, attack.

[nismo]

About Pirlo and Frey, I think those deals were done without Cuper's knowledge. I'm sure it was settled before Cuper arrived

[Inter09]

yes i will agree with u giorgio cuper was actually quite good with champions leaugue matches because we were so good defensively wen needed be. But u cant look passed the players we lost/missed out because of him. we all no the only reason we lost ronny was because of cuper. he would have stayed if we sacked him. no to worry tho this season we are looking good.


one quetsion wen does davids arruve in camp?
thanks

[GiorgioII]

Davids logically should have arrived at the same time as VDM as they both played for the Dutch team, but Davids is still nowhere to be seen :mad:

[adrianofan]

About Pirlo and Frey, I think those deals were done without Cuper's knowledge. I'm sure it was settled before Cuper arrived

Yeah I think they were set to go before Cuper... anywho it would have been great to still have Pirlo and Frey though :D Toldo at the time was on fire no doubt but we had a great investment in Frey and let him slip away but it had to happen... its not like we could have just put Frey on loan for three years. lol. But when Toldo decides that hes too old to play football or when hes "finished" then I think we should approach Parma for Frey... and considering their situation, they'd accept. But if anyone tries to touch Frey in the meantime, we should snap him up immediately and sell Toldo I think or else we're going to have to fork over huge money for Frey... Maybe we should have done the 50/50 deal initially I think just like we did with Adriano. That probably would have worked better than a very long loan spell.

[Zek]

just stopped by :evil:

whatever you say guys, just show me a coach that managed Inter better and achieved more say since 1997?

yes his style was no good, I did not like it, he was obsessed with Guly and etc., but at the same time we were 2nd losing the last minute game to Lazio and that has a lot to do with players mentality as well. They were scared to win. Also, UEFA Cup semis. Next season we were 3rd and went to CL semis.

yes he played ugly football, but he brought results to Inter not perfect but still results. Additionally, look at the squad he had to deal with...

Mancio is a good coach, but yet has to prove it, I am sure he'll do so!:evil:

[GiorgioII]

Yes, I agree with you Zek. Cuper took us further than any coach for a very long time. He actually achieved quite a lot, without ever actually winning anything. He failed to deliver in Serie A against the big teams, but I will never forget the victories in Europe against Valencia and especially the away ones against Newcastle and Arsenal, especially as they were in England where I live.
In fact, he only cost us some very talented youngsters by ruining their chances to develop and not spotting their talent as well as ruining our style of play. But in the end, these mistakes were crucial.

[devious]

But have no fear, under Mancini we will attack, attack, attack.
I hope ,I hope , I hope.. :D

[nismo]

Yeah I think they were set to go before Cuper... anywho it would have been great to still have Pirlo and Frey though :D Toldo at the time was on fire no doubt but we had a great investment in Frey and let him slip away but it had to happen... its not like we could have just put Frey on loan for three years. lol. But when Toldo decides that hes too old to play football or when hes "finished" then I think we should approach Parma for Frey... and considering their situation, they'd accept. But if anyone tries to touch Frey in the meantime, we should snap him up immediately and sell Toldo I think or else we're going to have to fork over huge money for Frey... Maybe we should have done the 50/50 deal initially I think just like we did with Adriano. That probably would have worked better than a very long loan spell.
You know Frey was supposed to be one of our "untouchables" on the transfer market, I remember reading Branca or someone saying Frey is not for sale. Well after the disastrous 2000/2001 season the club's direction changed I guess :rolleyes: We actually sold Frey for quite a lot, I think it could be over 10 million. But yeah, maybe we should've done a 50/50 if not a loan.

[Inter09]

on wat zek brought up, i didnt start the thread to attack cuper on his performances, as u may think i did. i was just merely trying to point out the players that we could have had if we didnt have such a defensive coach. i even said in an earlier post that cupers reults were good especaiily in champs league. he won us a scudetto in 2001 basically.

[GiorgioII]

on wat zek brought up, i didnt start the thread to attack cuper on his performances, as u may think i did. i was just merely trying to point out the players that we could have had if we didnt have such a defensive coach. i even said in an earlier post that cupers reults were good especaiily in champs league. he won us a scudetto in 2001 basically.

Basically yes, until this team self-destructed on the last day :mad2: But I have been having this debate with Nismo in a different thread, and I can guarantee you that this time this team will not self-destruct. That's not to say that they won't lose, but I'm saying that when they do lose, it will only be because they have been beaten by a better team. They will not crumble mentally this time around.

[Inter09]

Basically yes, until this team self-destructed on the last day :mad2: But I have been having this debate with Nismo in a different thread, and I can guarantee you that this time this team will not self-destruct. That's not to say that they won't lose, but I'm saying that when they do lose, it will only be because they have been beaten by a better team. They will not crumble mentally this time around.

i completely agree. the only team that will beat us is because they were better than us, not because of us crumbling. i was looking throught the team page on the inter site, and i was thinking how good our squad is. i tried to trim it down to 25 players and the only ones i culd cut from it were zicu, ventola, choutos, lamouchi, farinos, adani, pasquale. and with possibly mihalovic and ceasar to come it means 2 more may have to be culled. i left killy in because i rate him highly after watching a couple coppa games. he played pretty well i thaught. i also left sorondo on there because maybe mancini sees something in him, and maybe he showed improvement on his loan stay. one thing id love to see inter do is promote eliakwu to the first team to develop him further.

do u think the team who played in japan was on trial for the careers at inter. not all of them just some because it defeinately was a fringe team to me.

did anyone watch us play in tim cup? if so who imprsesed u, ive read burdisso,, cambiasso veron and stako impressed. i was wondering wat u guys thaught?
thanks

[Zek]

i completely agree. the only team that will beat us is because they were better than us, not because of us crumbling. i was looking throught the team page on the inter site, and i was thinking how good our squad is. i tried to trim it down to 25 players and the only ones i culd cut from it were zicu, ventola, choutos, lamouchi, farinos, adani, pasquale. and with possibly mihalovic and ceasar to come it means 2 more may have to be culled. i left killy in because i rate him highly after watching a couple coppa games. he played pretty well i thaught. i also left sorondo on there because maybe mancini sees something in him, and maybe he showed improvement on his loan stay. one thing id love to see inter do is promote eliakwu to the first team to develop him further.

do u think the team who played in japan was on trial for the careers at inter. not all of them just some because it defeinately was a fringe team to me.

did anyone watch us play in tim cup? if so who imprsesed u, ive read burdisso,, cambiasso veron and stako impressed. i was wondering wat u guys thaught?
thanks

agree with you Japan was a trial... I wonder what will happen to Karagounis? he's euro champ now and he's not that bad and I am not sure if he will want to warm the bench at iner for the sake of 10-12 games a season...

Inter09: sorry I just wanted to emphasize on Cuper's achievements. Defensive football isn't that bad if you defence well and counter attack the way Valencia did in Cuper's first season with them.

[GiorgioII]

agree with you Japan was a trial... I wonder what will happen to Karagounis? he's euro champ now and he's not that bad and I am not sure if he will want to warm the bench at iner for the sake of 10-12 games a season...

Inter09: sorry I just wanted to emphasize on Cuper's achievements. Defensive football isn't that bad if you defence well and counter attack the way Valencia did in Cuper's first season with them.

Yes. Karagounis had a very good Euro 2004. I actually think he will stay and fight for his place, although it will probably be in vein. I hope he does well in the future whether it's at Inter or some other club. He is a good player and the sort of one we could do with as backup at Inter. But as a Euro champ he won't accept a reserve role in all likelihood.

[Inter09]

agree with you Japan was a trial... I wonder what will happen to Karagounis? he's euro champ now and he's not that bad and I am not sure if he will want to warm the bench at iner for the sake of 10-12 games a season...

Inter09: sorry I just wanted to emphasize on Cuper's achievements. Defensive football isn't that bad if you defence well and counter attack the way Valencia did in Cuper's first season with them.
hey zek yer thats ok wen i wrote that i wasnt like getting defensive about wat u said. i just tried to say why i started the thread that is all.sorry if it came across as tho i was angry or offended in any way.
thanks

[Zek]

hey zek yer thats ok wen i wrote that i wasnt like getting defensive about wat u said. i just tried to say why i started the thread that is all.sorry if it came across as tho i was angry or offended in any way.
thanks

no worries mate, from time to time i am becoming extremely polite not to offend or even potentially offend anyone's feelings ;)

there was a chance that you'll be offended with my reply so I just decided to reduce that chance to zero :D

cheers :evil:

[Sebastian]

....Piss off you two....:ronaldo:..i hope you're not offended....:silly:...

[Zek]

....Piss off you two....:ronaldo:..i hope you're not offended....:silly:...


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[INTER_FAN]

When i was debating on CUPER with friends or other INTER FANS, i always thought that he has a PHD in getting the 2nd place, I dont know whats wrong, is it his luck or the mentality he puts in the player, the thing I am optmistic about that after CUPER left Valencia had 2 league titles :) is this will be INTER FATE Too :) i hope so.

He left last year so this is our year, I think the guy was good defensivly but com'on if you are not amazing in attack most of the time u wont be able to get back into the game if they scored against u and u get lost on the pitch.

I dont hate the guy but I think we had good results with him and if he just managed to give the midfield some extra push while in attack we would have been great but he always focussed on having great defence and great attackers but our Midfield sucked for the last few seasons.

FORZA INTER

[GiorgioII]

Welcome Inter Fan ;)

[devious]

Hey.. welcome Inter Fan.. we all Inter fans you know :D
Welcome ;)

[adrianofan]

I don't blame Cuper's defensive tactics for Inter's loss of the scudetto (twice)... just look at Otto's Greece... they were even more defensive than Inter (at least we had a prolific goal scorer in Vieri... Greece has no such player) but their little pinch of offensive (mostly set-pieces) was still enough for them to take the Euro Cup. However I think that with the team that Cuper had, he should have geared the team towards an attacking style since it was obvious that Inter was custom made for attractive attacking football.

[INTER_FAN]

Thanks Giorgio and Devious for ur warm welcome, its great to be here, also I write in Forza-Inter.com , its a great place too, but I am glad i found so passionate people here too. always nice to have a bigger family.

U know Adrianofan, I dont think there is a team who is custom to any playing tactics, but Otto's boys were more determined to continue their dream, they couldnt believe they beat the Portugese and they believed more in themselves and they were so focussed, I think with CUper we were defensive but we didnt have the same spirit, Greece was never the favourite in any of their games, but INTER is always a favourite.

I believe Cuper neglected the midfield, I dont remember our midfield scoring before we had Stank or even VDM, always either the defense in Materazi or the forwards, rarely others score, while look at other teams, Kaka, Pirlo, Nedved, etc.. I still believe CUper was good maybe in tactics but never in understanding and inspiring a winning fighting character, that what Otto did with Greece, Character and passion.

[GiorgioII]

I also write in Forza-Inter.com Inter Fan, I thought I recognised you ;)

I like that place, but IMO this forum is a lot better.....there are just too many posters on Forza-Inter for me, and here it is a closer community, and also there are other forums for other clubs etc. I love it :D

Anyway, this season Inter Fan I am quite sure that our midfield will score more regularly. Stankovic just hit two in a friendly and we've added Veron and Davids who are likely to score more than CZ and Emre whose places they will probably take.