Homosexualoty: the perversion that is;

[RegginaAmaranto]

In the world of football, you would have to say that perhaps majority of players and fans alike are in some way religious or atleast follow a faith to a certain degree. So perhaps a football forum website is a villid place to bring up this discussion.

Catholics, Orthodox, all Christians alike and Jews will know that it clearly states in the bible that homosexuality is wrong.

In the book of Genisis, the first of 5 books that God gave his servent Moses to write, we see the wicked days before the Great Flood and the wicked cities that followed hundreds of years after that time.

In the Gread Flood, God commanded Noah and his sons to build a great ark in order to save his family, and two (one male and one female) of every animal. The reason being; God saw the world had become very wicked and he was to in a sense, wipe the slate clean and start again.
One of the wicked actions God saw upon the earth was sexual promescurity and homosexuality.

Many years later, there were two cities named Soddom and Gamorah. God sent his two angels down to the cities in the shape of men.
At the very entrance of the cities, there were men there awaiting to molest the angels. This angered God, he saved the honourable family and destroyed the cities, leaving no one alive.

we then move to the books of Exodus and Leviticus.

During the reading of the 10 commandments, God states homosexuality as a "detestible" act. Something to be shunned upon.

It is no secret that God finds these acts to be sexual perversions. in the same way that a lie is a perversion of the truth, arrogance is a perversion of humbelness and death is a perversion of life.

these days we now see TV shows celebrating a "gay" lifestyle. we have celebrations on the streets of metropolitan centres claiming that homosexuality is excellent.
we have bishops in anglican churches that become homosexuals and claim God made them that way!

people claim they are born homosexual. but you are not. if that were the case, then child molesters are also born that way. we should let child molesters out of jail! because that is also a sexual perversion! why let one walk free and the other chained up???
a perversion is a perversion. if you steal from someones house or steal from someones car, you still stole from them. it is no different.

you cannot be born a homosexual, when i was 5 years of age i never even thought about kissing or making love to a girl or woman. because children know no evil, they learn evil as they grow into adolecent teens and then adults, and they learne the evil that is homosexuality.


people that dont believe in God or his laws, ask yourselves this; on a scientific level. can two men make love and concieve a child???? it is without doubt an impossable feat.

no more lying to yourself and your friends. homosexuality should not be celebrated or accepted,

seek God and his glory, not the devil and his deceptions.
you are a child of God, dont disappoint him.

[haroldino13]

SORRY REGGINA, I'LL HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU. FIRST OF ALL THE BIBLE SAYS A LOT OF THINGS. THE FIRST THING THAT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE IS THAT THE BIBLE WAS NOT WRITTEN BY GOD OR ANY OTHER SUPREME BEING. THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MEN THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO WHO WERE LOOKING AT THE WORLD FROM THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVE. MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO THEM THEN NO LONGER HAVE RELEVANCE IN OUR MODERN WORLD. ANOTHER POINT ABOUT THE BIBLE IS THAT ITS FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS. IN ONE PART YOU READ ONE THING AND LATER YOU FIND A PASSAGE THAT CONTRADICTS IT. I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE SHOULD BE USED AS A GUIDE, NOT AS THE ULTIMATE DETERMINING FACTOR THAT DIRECTS YOUR LIFE.

AS FAR AS THE HOMOSEXUAL ISSUE, CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN, I DONT THINK THAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO BE HOMOSEXUAL, I THINK THEY ARE BORN THAT WAY AND ITS UNFAIR FOR PEOPLE TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THEM OVER SOMETHING THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. I THINK IN THE END EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE THEIR LIVES ANYWAY THEY WANT. :robot:

[MarieL]

people claim they are born homosexual. but you are not. if that were the case, then child molesters are also born that way. we should let child molesters out of jail! because that is also a sexual perversion! why let one walk free and the other chained up???

For god's sakes! That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard! Molesting a child is a serious crime which harms the child and shadows his or her entire life. Having sex with a person of the same sex harms no one, only causes pleasure I'm sure for the both and makes them happy. It's something people do out of their own free will and enjoy it. Nothing wrong with it! Religious people should just mind their own business and stop sticking their nose in everyone else's affairs.
And btw religion and football have nothing whatsoever to do with each other! I don't believe in god and never will.

[Ese_Guy]

This is probably not the best forum for this discussion.
Probably no interrnet forum is; all I've ever seen are arguments.

I believe the holy scripture is inspired by GOD and written by mortal man that had a spiritual relationship with GOD. The holy bible is not a coffee table book, a spy novel, or even a comic book. The Book requires in-depth study and scrutinization. Because one thing is said in one place doesn't mean that the same should apply everywhere else. You cannot take a phrase and apply your whole philosophy on the Bible from that one or two phrases.

Anyhow, here are some scripture references on homosexuality if you care to review them as well as a brief explanation:

Gen. 1 & 2 - we see from the beginning that the complementarity of the sexes reflects God's inner unity and His creative power and Fatherhood. God created man and woman to become one flesh which is consummated in the act of marital love.

Gen. 19:24-28 - the Lord rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah as punishment for the sin of homosexuality.

Lev. 18:22, 29 - God commands a man never to lie with a male as with a female, or he will be cut off.

Lev. 20:13 - God says that if a man lies with another man, he shall be put to death. Homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.

Deut. 22:5 - cross-dressing is also considered an abomination before God.

Matt. 19:6 - after referring to God's divine plan for man and woman, Jesus says a husband and wife become one flesh, which ultimately reflects God's union with humanity through the Church. Homosexual unions pervert this divine truth.

Rom. 1:26 - also, when a woman lies with another women, this is unnatural and a perversion. God wants His children to be pure and holy as He is holy.

Rom. 1:27 - homosexuality is called shameless, unnatural and a perversity. It is contrary to the natural law.

1 Cor. 6:9 - homosexuality is not part of God's plan for His kingdom. Homosexuals must seek forgiveness and become chaste.

1 Tim. 1:10 - sodomites are called ungodly and sinners, unholy and profane, lawless and disobedient. They are called by God to chastity. It is important to note that homosexual attractions and inclinations are not by themselves sinful. It is the acting out on homosexual attraction that is sinful. Those with homosexual desires can still live a life worthy of Christ by remaining chaste and pure as they abstain from acting out on their desires.

[RegginaAmaranto]

well said.

the fact remains, the bible is not contradictory. the old testimate has some different vallues to the new. the reason being is because God gave the people his only begotten son. his son, Jesus Christ is our savour and we are saved from his blood.

The only way to God is through his son, after all, Jesus Christ is the "way and the light".

the reason i bring up homosexuality is that people know murder is wrong. people know robery is wrong and molestation is wrong. but people have been decieved into thinking homosexuality is right. it is not right, and just like every other mortal sin you commit day to day (dont get me wrong, we are al born in sin, that is our way), you eventually have to do the right thing and repent for what is wrong.

once you find Christ, you'll find your homosexuality feelings will disappear. such is the power of Christ and our lord father.

[Leon of Silvren]

I'm not agree with homosexuality, but I'll no use the bibble to make my points, since I think that catholic religion in one of the greatest conspiracies in the world's history, and so the bibble, but this in not the tread to discuss that.

First of all I think that homosexuality is against the nature, the nature of a male and a female being a couple. Then, in our modern world, where the liberalism is very common, some may see homosexuality as a normal thing, but it doesn't. I see that as a mental disorder, like insanity or paranoia, people aren't borned gay, the social enviroment changes the person (of course there are exceptions, and some persons actually born with this disease). There are many different reasons of why a person 'becomes' an homosexual, like I said before, because of a disease, the social enviroment, or the decision of the person. I can justify the first two reasons, but it should be treated by a psycholigist or a professional.

Finally I'll like to say that yes, a person can do whatever he/she wants with his/her life, as long as respect the other person's rights. And it's true that homosexual person doesn't hurt anyone, but it's a disease and it should be treated. Now, being against the homosexuality is one thing, but discriminate them is a very different one, and I'm against it.

[MarieL]

I can't understand you people! And religious people are the worst kind thinking they're holier than anyone else thus better. 1st of all the bible says a bunch of things and a lot of things you religious people wouldn't even think about taking literally nowadays. You just single out the things you like and go around preaching to people how they ought to live their lives according to those few verses that have probably already changed a lot during translation. And if there really is a god then why won't you let him deal with gay people the way he likes if he's so against them, why the hell do you have to go around playing god? Homosexuality is no disease and nothing dangerous, more like being brainwashed by some religion freaks is. I don't live my life thinking how some ancient book written by men says I'm supposed to think. I have a brain so I use it!
You people want to have millions of miserable people on this earth living celibate or pretending they're attracted to the opposite sex, when they really aren't, just so you can go to sleep at night thinking there's no one in the world doing anything the bible says they shouldn't without being punished for it. If that ain't being plain selfish then I don't know what is! And isn't that like one of the worst sins?
Aaarrgghh, why am I even wasting my time? It's like talking to children. You've already made up your mind and you just want everyone here to see how holy you are and how you live your life according to the book. You have no desire to hear any opinions besides those like your own. A big waste of time this is...
And no I'm not gay myself, I don't even have a single gay friend, I just don't like to see people being judged like that behind their backs! Now that's real nice behaviour, I'm sure that gets you a place in heaven! :rolleyes:

[RegginaAmaranto]

alot of you people are saying that the bible dosnt suit our modern day life. did you stop to think that our modern day life rather goes against the bible.

it specifically states in the bible that towards the end, the world will get worse and worse with deciet, and it has.

i never said that i am a holier person that others. infact im not, im just like the rest of you. i most likely have more faults then others. i do the wrong thing, but when i do, i know its wrong. and i feel bad for what i've done. i know its no excuse, but im a person, and no person will ever be perfect. we just arnt created that way.

Homosexuality is both mental and spiritual perversion. just like anger and jealousy and the rest of it. but you can stop it, Jesus can help you through it.

yes, i agree that the Catholic religion is very flaud. for example, there are 7 aditional books added to the bible and there are traditions that go against the very fibre of the bible.
But the bible itself is perfect in every way.
people bagg it and say that it is contradictory and wrong and full of it, but if you were to actually study it, word for word, just like you would study law or medicin or graphics, you would see it is the most perfect and genius book ever.
The mathimatical genius is just one of many things to marval at. and no matter what language it is translated to, we constantly find the same things to marval at.
The bible is no accident, nor is it just a bunch of old guys writing 66 books. its is an amazing and spiritual reference to the world, the miracle or life, and the miracle of the lord.

as for people saying "homosexuality dosnt hurt anyone". think again.

physically, its proven that anal sex... not that its actually sex, but anyway... actually does damage to your anal passage. simple as that.... and God states specifically that your body is a temple, and never to purposly damage or destroy the temple. this includes smoking, getting tattoos and so forth.

[MarieL]

Waste of time like I said... Again you just pick the things you have something to say about from the posts and ignore the rest, just like you do with the bible. Well fine, keep your narrow minded opinions I couldn't care less! I'm sure if you told your views to the people whose sexual orientation you're trashing here they'd have a big laugh nothing else. They don't need your approvement coz luckily there are plenty of people on this earth who don't have medieval thoughts permanently implanted in their heads.

[RegginaAmaranto]

Waste of time like I said... Again you just pick the things you have something to say about from the posts and ignore the rest, just like you do with the bible. Well fine, keep your narrow minded opinions I couldn't care less! I'm sure if you told your views to the people whose sexual orientation you're trashing here they'd have a big laugh nothing else. They don't need your approvement coz luckily there are plenty of people on this earth who don't have medieval thoughts permanently implanted in their heads.


Christianity dosnt pick and choose what they want from the bible, they take it all in.

and from start to finish there is one thing in common, it is specific that homosexuality is wrong, simple as that.

now lets talk about it on a scientific level.

a man and woman have sex, and as a result of the sexual organs matching up exactly with eachother, they are able to concieve children.

THIS IS NO COINCIDENCE!!!! we are design that way from God.

a homo cant have kids, infact, a mans penis should NOT go into another mans arse. apart from it being a sick act that any normal humain person would cringe at the thought of, its just scientifically wrong for two men to do that! get it?

[MarieL]

Well you know people do a lot of things nature didn't meant them to be doing, so don't you dare to bring science into this. What about oral sex then? Is that perversed as well? Because I think majority of heterosexuals are doing that as well. Since when have people been having sex just to concieve children? They have it cos they enjoy it and as far as I care they can do whatever they want behind closed doors.
If the thought of two men having sex makes you sick then don't think about it! No one's forcing you. And if you can't help thinking about it then there's something wrong with you my friend. You haven't said a word about lesbians, what about them? Isn't the thought of two hot girls having sex disgusting to you then? Probably not.
And again I have to ask why do you think it's any of your business what people do together?

[Ese_Guy]

I knew this wasn't the forum for this.
There are many assumptions made here by almost everyone, either defensive or offensive. No one here is better or holier than anyone else.

Christianity teaches that God loves everyone. However, He hates sin; the wages of sin are death. Death is implied as being absent from the presence of God, an example would be "the eternal lake of fire." Because God loves everyone, but hates sin, he sent his son Jesus to save man.

BTW, as far as I know, we would have no Bible (New & Old Testament) today without the Catholic church. And from what I recall Martin Luther, moved those seven books to the "back" of the bible, and subsequentially they were dropped by Calvin(?).

[Greek Succer]

RegginaAmaranto,

I fell asleep right after:

In the world of football,

Are you habitually boring or is your same sex lover out of town cheating on you?

[Katerina]

RegginaAmaranto,

I fell asleep right after:



Are you habitually boring or is your same sex lover out of town cheating on you?

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!

OK ... I have to hand it to you ! That WAS funny ! You made me laugh ! :rolling:

[Greek Succer]

Sometimes a cell should be destroyed to preserve the body. You know what I mean Kat?

[Katerina]

Sometimes a cell should be destroyed to preserve the body. You know what I mean Kat?


I think I do :)

[mel81x]

Im not gay myself but when it comes to the topic i guess its a personal choice. u either like it or u dont kinda like eating squid, some people cant fathom eating it and some ppl can.

If u bring religion into social ethics then ur playing a dangerous game cause the two are about as explosive as bringing science and religion to the table. Im catholic and yes the bible denounces homosexuality but does that mean that a person that does good deeds all his/her life doesnt go to heaven because their gay? lol

what happens to those ppl? does the bible let another religion handle them?

The thing about the bible is its like law, theres a loophole everywhere. and what was said before was right these discussions bring about nothing but arguing.

if two ppl of the same sex want to go at it, let em. if they like it, does it have any direct effect on u? more place in heaven from what the board suggests LOL.

Im not try to make ur argument into a joke, but posing ur faith onto other ppl is a sin in my opinion. let ppl make their own decisions and as a closing argument.......

YOU CANT HAVE HEAVEN IF YOU DONT HAVE HELL

Cheers
Mel

[eocine]

But the bible itself is perfect in every way.

people bagg it and say that it is contradictory and wrong and full of it, but if you were to actually study it, word for word, just like you would study law or medicin or graphics, you would see it is the most perfect and genius book ever.

How can the bible be perfect if man, not god, wrote it?

as for people saying "homosexuality dosnt hurt anyone". think again.

physically, its proven that anal sex... not that its actually sex, but anyway... actually does damage to your anal passage. simple as that.... and God states specifically that your body is a temple, and never to purposly damage or destroy the temple. this includes smoking, getting tattoos and so forth.

Giving birth damages some women’s vagina’s, as does sex if the guy is well enough hung… It’s not an argument.

You are simply a fool, is it any business of yours what people do in their bedrooms?... No it's not... Is it any business of yours what people watch on tv?... No it's not...

[hoop1901]

How can the bible be perfect if man, not god, wrote it?

What, GOD did write it. Hell for you. :evil:



Giving birth damages some women’s vagina’s, as does sex if the guy is well enough hung… It’s not an argument.

So id say it would have to. A bit of lube mite help though. Ha ha



You are simply a fool, is it any business of yours what people do in their bedrooms?... No it's not... Is it any business of yours what people watch on tv?... No it's not...

I tink he was more saying it goes against God not really saying that he cares :confused: And theres no need to start the name calling!!!!!!

[kitkat5]

why not just let the homosexuals deal with their own actions according to their faith? if they're religious they know that either they will be forgiven or that they will have to answer on judgment day.
i believe live and let live, as long as it doesnt harm anyone else - and they're not.

[hoop1901]

why not just let the homosexuals deal with their own actions according to their faith? if they're religious they know that either they will be forgiven or that they will have to answer on judgment day.
i believe live and let live, as long as it doesnt harm anyone else - and they're not.

But what about what eocine said about them harming each other

[kitkat5]

But what about what eocine said about them harming each other
but they're not harming outsiders so to speak - their neighbors, co-workers, etc.
if you choose to harm yourself it is a choice you make not one that you're forcing on anyone else
in my humble opinion....

[RegginaAmaranto]

yes, giving birth is very painful as well, if you read Genisis you would see that at the fall of man, a punishment ruled out to women was infact birth pains.

your anus has a purpose, to get rid of waste.

your virgina has a purpose, both for a penis to be inserted during sex and to give birth.

how could a man possably think to himself "yes, that sounds like a good idea, i'll let another man stick his dick into my arse, so for one, he can cause damage to my anal passage so i cant walk properly, and two, he can get shit on his dick"
how is that not pervers????

[kitkat5]

you see reggina i am religious. i believe anyone can believe in god (or whatever they call their god) any way they wish. the problem i have is when people start forcing their beliefs on others. bottom line - they are not bothering you leave them alone they will have to deal with their own god on judgment day.

[RegginaAmaranto]

hey, i said this before, people know right and wrong. people even know that swearing is wrong even though we all do it, but the fact is that there is a HUGE misconception that homosexuality is good and healthy. when it is just as wrong as anything else you would care to mention. im not going to physically stop homo's from doing what they do, but it dosnt make it right and yes, it is a perversion.

[kitkat5]

hey, i said this before, people know right and wrong. people even know that swearing is wrong even though we all do it, but the fact is that there is a HUGE misconception that homosexuality is good and healthy. when it is just as wrong as anything else you would care to mention. im not going to physically stop homo's from doing what they do, but it dosnt make it right and yes, it is a perversion.

i never said it was good and healthy all i'm saying is i dont judge others - the bible says judge not lest ye be judged. we all will have a judgement day. and as far as swearing youre right, i just read a post you did where you cursed worse than any sailor i've ever heard :dontcare:

[RegginaAmaranto]

haha, yeh i got a foul mouth on me i must admit. thats what you get if you work in either a kitchen or construction. i did a year construction and now been cookin for 3 years so yeh, my mouth isnt for the kids.

but yeh, like i said, i cant judge, your right. everyones time will come, i hope i can lift my head high when my time comes, just tryna put a point accross :)

[mel81x]

your virgina has a purpose, both for a penis to be inserted during sex and to give birth.


Well to add a little humor to this website and not to take away from your post about homosexuality which u are entitled to hate, i jsut found it funny that you used virginia instead of vagina.

im not picking on ur english but when i read that i thought of Virginia USA lol

[RegginaAmaranto]

haha :P point taken

[MarieL]

I knew this wasn't the forum for this.

This is exactly the forum for this! Reveals the religious fanatics and homofobics making it easy for me to stay far away from them.

[lsgworldl]

how mant times has the bible been translated, you know about that game where one person whispers somthing in to some ones ear then they pass it on and so on and so on, chinese whispers or somthing, well the bible is like that, I bet it is no where the same as it was when it was first writen, so take what it says with a pinch of salt

and I have heard there are a lot of lesbians in female tennis, so there prob are a few gay ppl in football, dont mind the lesbians in tennis though, mmmmmmmmmmmm short skirts :burglar:

[RegginaAmaranto]

ok, heres a challenge for ya then, get the bible in its original hebrew text and get a hebrew to read it for ya, then tell me if im wrong.

everyone has got arguments but no ones got anything to back it up with.

and btw, i aint a homophob. a homo phobe is someone who is scared of homo's, im just disgusted by it.

[lsgworldl]

ok, heres a challenge for ya then, get the bible in its original hebrew text and get a hebrew to read it for ya, then tell me if im wrong.

everyone has got arguments but no ones got anything to back it up with.

and btw, i aint a homophob. a homo phobe is someone who is scared of homo's, im just disgusted by it.

And how do you know its the original copy? :dontcare:

[RegginaAmaranto]

And how do you know its the original copy? :dontcare:

if it's in Hebrew then that means that it hasnt been translated. your not going to translate hebrew to hebrew. its not like english, english has got from one form to another. latin has gone from its origins to its now cousin Italian, but hebrew has stayed the same.

[kitkat5]

This is exactly the forum for this! Reveals the religious fanatics and homofobics making it easy for me to stay far away from them.

just to clarify - believing in god and having religious beliefs does not make one a religious fanatic......

[phreakydancin]

Anyone who has to resort to quoting the bible to win an argument has no argument to make.

[RegginaAmaranto]

Anyone who has to resort to quoting the bible to win an argument has no argument to make.

the entire argument in the first place has the bible involved.

where have you been?

[phreakydancin]

the entire argument in the first place has the bible involved.

where have you been? I just joined these forums... but I've already read enough to understand that you're whole argument is based on conjecture and not fact. You seem to have trouble with concepts like logic.

[Ese_Guy]

This is exactly the forum for this! Reveals the religious fanatics and homofobics making it easy for me to stay far away from them.

In reality though, you are physically away from most everyone on here. Because this is the internet, anyone here can say anything they want without repercussion, well except for being banned or placed on time-out.
But this entire forum is pretty liberal at letting everyone say almost anything they want. There seems to be quite a bit of hatred and racism accross most forums here.

[Greek Succer]

This should help you all settle your differences (http://boys.gayboys.ws/gay-boys/439.html)

[RegginaAmaranto]

I just joined these forums... but I've already read enough to understand that you're whole argument is based on conjecture and not fact. You seem to have trouble with concepts like logic.

historians agree that on a historic level, the bible is very much fact. it isnt flaud like the koran. i am arguing fact here.

[Ese_Guy]

I just joined these forums... but I've already read enough to understand that you're whole argument is based on conjecture and not fact. You seem to have trouble with concepts like logic.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
- Albert Einstien

[Greek Succer]

You are all a bunch of ass pirates. Isn't there gay forums for you homo to spurt your sinful man lust at?