About Mexico's soccer history ...

[garaceg]

I am going to set this straight with facts and some stats.

First, a lof of the comments towards Mexico are based on racism and/OR hate. MEXICO might not be one of the top National teams in the world, but they have a very decent league and very decent level. (CHELITO DELGADO FROM ARGENTINA PLAYS IN MEXICO, HE'S ONE OF THE PROMISING STARTS OF ARGENTINA, CARDOZO DEVELOPED HIS SKILLS PLAYING IN MEXICO, BENHAKER, PASARELLA ARE COUCHING TEAMS, REAL MADRID HAS A SOCCER SCHOOL, ETC.)

Mexico has won 2 tournaments (I am not including amateurs teams here). Gold cup and Confederation cup. In the confederation cup we beat BRAZIL.

The most prestigious tournament in America (I am talking about the continent of course, even though some US nationals will argue that America is actually 2 continents). IS THE AMERICA CUP. THIS IS THE 2ND. BEST TOURNAMENT WORLDWIDE (THE FIRST ONE IS THE UEFA CUP).

MEXICO HAS PLAYED IN AMERICA CUP BEGINNING IN 1993 AND ONLY BY INVITATION, AND MEXICO HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB ON THIS TOURNAMENT. MEXICO HAS PLAYED 2 FINALS IN 5 PARTICIPATIONS. (LOST TO ARGENTINA AND COLOMBIA).

MEXICO HAS BEEN IN THE FIRST 4 PLACES OUT OF THE 5 PARTICIPATIONS.

36 1993 Argentina México Colombia
37 1995 Uruguay Brasil Colombia
38 1997 Brasil Bolivia México
39 1999 Brasil Uruguay México
40 2001 Colombia México Honduras

FRIENDLIES DOESN'T COUNT, SPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF MEXICO. MEXICO USES THOSE MATCHES TO TRY OUT A LOT OF YOUNG PLAYERS.

AND TO THOSE REAL MADRID FANS... REMEMBER HUGO SANCHEZ? HOW MANY PICHICHIS DID HE WIN? WHO WAS THE SCORING MACHINE OF THAT GREAT GREAT REAL MADRID TEAM OF THE 80'S?? YES, HUGO SANCHEZ.

ONCE MORE MEXICO WILL PROVE WHAT THEY CAN DO, AND THE AMERICA CUP AND THE OLYMPICS ARE VERY GOOD TOURNAMENTS TO PROVE IT. WOULD BE GREAT IF MEXICO WINS ANY ONE OF THOSE TOURNAMENTS.

A NOTE ABOUT BRAZIL.

OF COURSE THAT BRAZIL IS BETTER THAN MEXICO, AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE BRAZIL IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD, BUT MEXICO IS GETTING CLOSER.

ABOUT PARAGUAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A DECENT TEAM, IS NOT BETTER THAN MEXICO, I THINK THAT IN AMERICA, MEXICO SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE 3RD BEST TEAM NEXT TO BRAZIL AND ARGENTINA, COLOMBIA BEEN VERY CLOSE (ALMOST TIED TO MEXICO)

HOPE TO GET SOME DECENT COMMENTS, AND PLEASE NO HATE COMMENTS,


IN ORDER TO QUALIFY A TEAM'S SOCCER LEVEL, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER PARTICIPATIONS IN PRESTIGUOUS TOURNAMENTS AND THE LEVEL OF THEIR LEAGUES.



*************

CHIVAS UNO, CHIVAS GRANDE, CHIVAS LIBRE, ARRIBA LAS CHIVAS, ARRIBA.

www.chivasrayadas.net

[Chileno]

Exactly garaceg finnaly someone with sense, they are not one of the top teams in the world, that is what I tried to tell a few mexican fans who swear they are at the level of Brazil, Argentina and even Uruguay. To the southamericans they are more like Paraguay, Chile, Colombia. A bit better than them a bit worse at times but they are NOT a power, believe me.

As a matter of fact southamerican qualies have always been disputed by Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile and Colombia. If Mexico was in the southamerican qualies I am shure they would be fighting shoulder to shoulder with those teams. Those four teams respect each other greatly, that is why some southamerican fans get offended when Mexican fans say only Brazil and Argentina can match them. The other two coups are always taken by Argentina and Brazil. In the last years it has got even more tight as Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia and most of all Venezuela have grown greatly. Just check the scoring as they are now. Notice the short difference of points between first Brazil and last Bolivia.

Team MP Pts
Brazil 7 13
Argentina 7 12
Chile 7 11 <--- DALE CHILE!!!
Paraguay 7 11
Ecuador 7 10
Venezuela 7 10
Peru 7 9
Colombia 7 7
Uruguay 7 7
Bolivia 7 6

This is the list of Copa America winners. 1/2/3 places. You will notice that on the first years and across the cup's history the main places are taken by Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil. There are a few other winners on unique ocasions such as Bolivia, Peru and lastly Colombia but on general Paraguay and Chile have grabed a decent number of 2/3 places, and these were on times were the Copa America was a tough competition.

Ecuador and Venezuela have been away of the first places...for now...


1* 1916 Uruguay Argentina Brasil
2 1917 Uruguay Argentina Brasil
3 1919 Brasil Uruguay Argentina
4 1920 Uruguay Argentina Brasil
5 1921 Argentina Brasil Uruguay
6 1922 Brasil Paraguay Uruguay
7 1923 Uruguay Argentina Paraguay
8 1924 Uruguay Argentina Paraguay
9 1925 Argentina Brasil Paraguay
10 1926 Uruguay Argentina Chile
11 1927 Argentina Uruguay Perú
12 1929 Argentina Paraguay Uruguay
13** 1935 Uruguay Argentina Perú
14 1937 Argentina Brasil Paraguay
15 1939 Perú Uruguay Paraguay
16** 1941 Argentina Uruguay Chile
17 1942 Uruguay Argentina Brasil
18** 1945 Argentina Brasil Chile
19** 1946 Argentina Brasil Paraguay
20 1947 Argentina Paraguay Uruguay
21 1949 Brasil Paraguay Perú
22 1953 Paraguay Brasil Uruguay
23 1955 Argentina Chile Perú
24** 1956 Uruguay Chile Argentina
25 1957 Argentina Brasil Uruguay
26 1959 Argentina Brasil Paraguay
27** 1959 Uruguay Argentina Brasil
28 1963 Bolivia Paraguay Argentina
29 1967 Uruguay Argentina Chile
30 1975 Perú Colombia Brasil
31 1979 Paraguay Chile Brasil
32 1983 Uruguay Brasil Paraguay
33 1987 Uruguay Chile Colombia
34 1989 Brasil Uruguay Argentina
35 1991 Argentina Brasil Chile
36 1993 Argentina México Colombia
37 1995 Uruguay Brasil Colombia
38 1997 Brasil Bolivia México
39 1999 Brasil Uruguay México
40 2001 Colombia México Honduras

[rafa]

Plain and simple chile is no competition to Mexicos full strength squad now maybe to Bolivia but thats about it!!!! LOl keep dreaming!

[GianPaolo]

Maybee one day they can win something.

[garaceg]

Maybee one day they can win something.

Actually, Mexico has win the Gold cup and the confederations cup.

My post was mostly about Mexico's participation in Copa America.

NEXT TIME BEFORE YOU POST A REPLY, PLEASE PAY MORE ATTENTION TO WHAT ARE YOU READING.

[GianPaolo]

Actually, Mexico has win the Gold cup and the confederations cup.

My post was mostly about Mexico's participation in Copa America.

NEXT TIME BEFORE YOU POST A REPLY, PLEASE PAY MORE ATTENTION TO WHAT ARE YOU READING.


wow 2 cups in over a 50 year span. Great Job

[Brazi-Guayo85]

What the fuk you smoking by saying Paraguay aint better then Mexico? last game might have been a tie but we still outplayed you and for a small country like Paraguay we hold our own much better then Mexico thats one of the largest countries in Latin america, and another thing.. Jose Cardozo..top scorer in the Mexican league and the best thing thats happened for Toluca..need i say more? and if Argentina so great why is it that they havent been able to beat Paraguay in Argentina since 1974?

[Chileno]

Don't waste your time Guayo some of these Mexicans swear they are the best and won't give a second thought to it.

BTW, nice victory you got from us at the last qualies (o:1), man, that defeat against Paraguay in our own soil realy hurt, I mean realy. We had remained unbeaten in Chile for like 30 years or something against Paraguay. I am looking forward for the payback game in Paraguay :evil:

Also, try not to hang from the goal with your defenders, it is greatly anoying when you put up that almost impregnable barrier. Oh, and go easy on the tackles...

[Brazi-Guayo85]

Now you know Chileno why i dont like the Mexican team, not because i'm racist but because of how much crap they talk. They seem to forget that some of the mexican league's best players are foreigners like Paraguay's Jose Cardozo or Chile's Reinaldo Navia..and i dont see any Mexican players in the guinness world record books like Paraguay's Jose Luis Chilavert plus they shouldnt talk about Chile either because Chile has a better WC record then Mexico..they been 3th place thats more then Mexico can say never having passed the quarterfinals. And yeah Paraguay needs to do more concentrating on attack and not just defence, we would have beat Germany at the WC if we attacked better... but its all good atleast we didnt lose to a bunch of gringos to a score like 2-0 or somethin :p

[rafa]

Yeah paraguay they should just let El salvador take their place Lol their a bunch of cri-babies!!! espeacially their fans!Mexico will put comembol in their place! watch!

[Brazi-Guayo85]

Yeah thats why El Salvador beat Mexico 2-1 last time haha and crybabies? we gonna see who the crybabies are when Mexico gets put in their place at the Copa America, go back to playing Dominica in Concacaf Mexicabro, Conmebol is where the big boys play

[lollerface]

SORRY BEATING A SUB20 BACKUP BRAZILIAN TEAM DOESNT COUNT AS A HUGE VICTORY. Mebeb when you actually beat brazil full power in a REAL TOURNAMENT we MAY consider mexico to be even good. For now mexico is a mediocre team who chokes at every world cup . Have fun losing to USA again LOLOL

[rafa]

Dude we didn't even have our full squad in their it was like half our team in copa de oro!!! are you stupid and retarted or retarted and stupid???!!! LOL

[Brazi-Guayo85]

the only one thats retarted around here is you if you think Mexico is a world class team, eva heard the term of being a big fish in a small pond? thats all Mexico is in concacaf cause concacaf aint shit

[rafa]

the only one thats retarted around here is you if you think Mexico is a world class team, eva heard the term of being a big fish in a small pond? thats all Mexico is in concacaf cause concacaf aint shit

Well Mexico ain't shit okay watch when this supposably weak concacaf team beats their group!

[HurricaneH]

Look at the last 5 Copa Americas.......

...Mexico is on the top 3 four times

where's Paraguay??

[Brazi-Guayo85]

And? Mexico mostly brings their top players to the Copa America, we dont..and what happened to Mexico in 99 when Brazil beat them twice and where sent back home like little bitches

[lollerface]

its amazing how mexico is the only country that brings their full squad to copa america and still cant win it. Here is the deal, once again this copa america will feature nothing but S.American B Teams. With the exeption of Costa rica and Mexico whom are bringing their full squads. NO EXCUSES, mexico HAS to reach finals against this B TEAMS. Im so sick of this mexican hype and im yet to actually see it come through. Enough with the talk, time to act. If you CANT each the finals it just shows you how BAD AND OVER-RATED you are at soccer.

ohya did I mention hav fun losing to USA again LOLOLOL

[HurricaneH]

hmmmm..........why don't they bring their A squads?

[lollerface]

cause teams notice the big boys (brazil & arg) dont care much so why should others do??

[HurricaneH]

to gain prestige

[lollerface]

to gain prestige


you mean just like columbia has gained??? oh wait they havent

[rafa]

to the south americans they don't want to see Mexico as a hi rated although they are under rated and Mexico will show how much they got in copa america in peru! Some of you south americans should stop hating on Mexico honestly and brazil gayo85 you should remeber that Mexico beat argentina in 1999 in front of all the argentina home crowd in buenos aires you should of seen the face of the argentininians it look like some one slapped them up side down the head! LOL so yes argentina is beatable just as colombia demastrated a week ago! Mexico already beaten brazil in copa de oro!

[Chileno]

I don't want to hurt your feelings rafa, I can understand you are a hardcore fan of Mexico, but I think USA is the giant in the CONCACAF for quite a while now and they did quite a good job on the last World Cup representing the CONCACAF. The USA also considered Copa America an overrated cup.

[Brazi-Guayo85]

And why you bragging about a fixed copa oro (which amanzigly Mexico didnt conceive 1 goal when days before they lost to El Salvador in USA) and that was played against unkowns in your soil, your pathetic Rafa..so pathetic i aint gonna bother argue with you nomore cause its worthless

[rafa]

Their we go your just hating because Mexico beat them fair and square and they both had the same amount of fire power! plus stop saying that it's fixed get over it brazil lost copa de oro! only comembol is fixed! your going to be speechless when Mexico wins in copa america!!!

[feber4]

Nice chat you guys got going on here.
I've been watching Mexico play these last few years and let me say that I'm don't believe their soccer level is as good as in South America.
I don't want to disrespect any Mexicans, but it's time to bring them back to reality, ever wonder how come Mexico qualifies to the World Cup everytime???
Well....of course......they get to play countries which show no power at all. Example: Trinidad y Tobago, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Canada, and other caribbean countries.
Ever wonder what would happened if Mexico joined the Conmebol to qualify to the WC????
Mexico would reach the WC maybe every 12 to 20 years, and that's qualifying as a forth or fifth place.
Any south american country would qualify to the WC if they were in Mexico's place.
And its true, the US has become a better team than Mexico in the last 10 years...

[rafa]

Well I wouldn't say that their better i'll just say their competitive, and yes in the years that they have improved the same for Mexico they can't get worst but only better! Oh and if Mexico joined comembol i would love to see that! But i don't think the south americans would deeply approve of that for world cup qualifing purposes! LOL Mexico would just be another good competitor in their way to the world cup!

[lollerface]

rafa I understand your pride toward mexico, and any person would do the same. But you gotta realize mexico is not a superpower and never will be. They are mediocre at best and if they joined conmebol they wouldnt make it to the WC in every qualifier.In the Last concacaf qualifier year mexico slacked off early games. Lost to US and costa rica and had some bad ties. If you think Mexico would of made it to the WC with that slackoff in the conmebol your obviously stubborn and are blinding yourself from the truth mexico is medicore. Winning copa america is not gonna prove anything than your better than S.american Bteams. Do something in the biggest stage which is the WC and then you can talk.

[Brazi-Guayo85]

rafa I understand your pride toward mexico, and any person would do the same. But you gotta realize mexico is not a superpower and never will be. They are mediocre at best and if they joined conmebol they wouldnt make it to the WC in every qualifier.In the Last concacaf qualifier year mexico slacked off early games. Lost to US and costa rica and had some bad ties. If you think Mexico would of made it to the WC with that slackoff in the conmebol your obviously stubborn and are blinding yourself from the truth mexico is medicore. Winning copa america is not gonna prove anything than your better than S.american Bteams. Do something in the biggest stage which is the WC and then you can talk.

LOL they wont even win the Copa America

[HurricaneH]

.........now i know why you guys hate Mexico

anyways

i think it would be quite interesting to see Mexico in Conmebol qualifiers

it would be Mexico/Uruguay/Paraguay/Colombia fighting for those 3 spots

(assuming Brazil and Argentina get the other)

mexico, uruguay, and paraguay are all pretty even

[Carlodinho]

I am going to set this straight with facts and some stats.

First, a lof of the comments towards Mexico are based on racism and/OR hate. MEXICO might not be one of the top National teams in the world, but they have a very decent league and very decent level. (CHELITO DELGADO FROM ARGENTINA PLAYS IN MEXICO, HE'S ONE OF THE PROMISING STARTS OF ARGENTINA, CARDOZO DEVELOPED HIS SKILLS PLAYING IN MEXICO, BENHAKER, PASARELLA ARE COUCHING TEAMS, REAL MADRID HAS A SOCCER SCHOOL, ETC.)

Mexico has won 2 tournaments (I am not including amateurs teams here). Gold cup and Confederation cup. In the confederation cup we beat BRAZIL.

The most prestigious tournament in America (I am talking about the continent of course, even though some US nationals will argue that America is actually 2 continents). IS THE AMERICA CUP. THIS IS THE 2ND. BEST TOURNAMENT WORLDWIDE (THE FIRST ONE IS THE UEFA CUP).

MEXICO HAS PLAYED IN AMERICA CUP BEGINNING IN 1993 AND ONLY BY INVITATION, AND MEXICO HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB ON THIS TOURNAMENT. MEXICO HAS PLAYED 2 FINALS IN 5 PARTICIPATIONS. (LOST TO ARGENTINA AND COLOMBIA).

MEXICO HAS BEEN IN THE FIRST 4 PLACES OUT OF THE 5 PARTICIPATIONS.

36 1993 Argentina México Colombia
37 1995 Uruguay Brasil Colombia
38 1997 Brasil Bolivia México
39 1999 Brasil Uruguay México
40 2001 Colombia México Honduras

FRIENDLIES DOESN'T COUNT, SPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF MEXICO. MEXICO USES THOSE MATCHES TO TRY OUT A LOT OF YOUNG PLAYERS.

AND TO THOSE REAL MADRID FANS... REMEMBER HUGO SANCHEZ? HOW MANY PICHICHIS DID HE WIN? WHO WAS THE SCORING MACHINE OF THAT GREAT GREAT REAL MADRID TEAM OF THE 80'S?? YES, HUGO SANCHEZ.

ONCE MORE MEXICO WILL PROVE WHAT THEY CAN DO, AND THE AMERICA CUP AND THE OLYMPICS ARE VERY GOOD TOURNAMENTS TO PROVE IT. WOULD BE GREAT IF MEXICO WINS ANY ONE OF THOSE TOURNAMENTS.

A NOTE ABOUT BRAZIL.

OF COURSE THAT BRAZIL IS BETTER THAN MEXICO, AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE BRAZIL IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD, BUT MEXICO IS GETTING CLOSER.

ABOUT PARAGUAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A DECENT TEAM, IS NOT BETTER THAN MEXICO, I THINK THAT IN AMERICA, MEXICO SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE 3RD BEST TEAM NEXT TO BRAZIL AND ARGENTINA, COLOMBIA BEEN VERY CLOSE (ALMOST TIED TO MEXICO)

HOPE TO GET SOME DECENT COMMENTS, AND PLEASE NO HATE COMMENTS,


IN ORDER TO QUALIFY A TEAM'S SOCCER LEVEL, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER PARTICIPATIONS IN PRESTIGUOUS TOURNAMENTS AND THE LEVEL OF THEIR LEAGUES.



*************

CHIVAS UNO, CHIVAS GRANDE, CHIVAS LIBRE, ARRIBA LAS CHIVAS, ARRIBA.

www.chivasrayadas.net

You forget one important fact. Mexico have one of the worst records in the world cup, nevermind not winning it even once.

[Brazi-Guayo85]

You forget one important fact. Mexico have one of the worst records in the world cup, nevermind not winning it even once.


Yeah kinda funny he ummm forgot to mention that fact about Mexico lol

[Texan11]

The only reason Mexico is over-rated among FIFA is because it is one of the few countries that have hosted the WC twice. The 2 best players of all time had their best tournament in their respective Mexico world cups, Pele in '70 and Maradona in '86. Maradona even scored the best goal ever (according to FIFA) in Mexico City.

You South Americans think that Mexico should not be rank #5 because you compete against them almost every year and know how they play. But the rest of the world only gets to see Mexico every 4 years, and if they see them beating the Croats, giving a hard time to Italy, Germany, and Holland; then they sort of believe FIFA and Mexico should be ranked up there, maybe not #5 but high up there.

To win the Wold Cup is almost impossible (if you are not Brazil or Argentina), So if you other South Americans-Mexico-haters want to gain international recognition and score points with FIFA, then host a world cup. If it is memorable your country will also be in the top of the chart for a while. It would be nice to see a Paraguay 2014 or Chile 2018.

[Chileno]

If Chile hosts a World Cup we win. Chile is known for their poor performance away, but when they come here it is a different matter, we already proved that on Chile's World Cup '62 when we reached a decent 3rd place.

[El Mexicano]

Maybee one day they can win something.
well before you talk you nead to read the history :ronaldo:

[futballbabe775]

You seem to know a lot about Mexican soccer so here's my question: Do you know anything about Jesus Cardona? I'd really appreciate any information or places to find information.

[nachi88]

You seem to know a lot about Mexican soccer so here's my question: Do you know anything about Jesus Cardona? I'd really appreciate any information or places to find information.

no, but i do know a lot about jesus christ. :)

just kidding. welcome to sfn

[bboy treble]

http://isotropic.org/uw/attic/jesus.jpg

[rafa]

I don't find that funny! To have an advertisment like that about Jesus christ is wrong! You should know better!

[bboy treble]

its cause you have been trained to have hot button words

you think its terrible to mention jesus's name unless you are worshipping him

and you are probably effected by words like

- terrorism
- adolf hitler
- al queda
- communism
- nazi

this means you are brain washed my freind

you poor americans

[rafa]

No I didn't say mentioning his name unless your worshiping him was wrong!! But to post pictures of a holy person, idol, or statue for that matter is wrong especially of him holding a breath mint candy item up! You could of used a different person like bush or someone else but Jesus christ!! Whats wrong with you!!

[Tsubasa]

I'll say US is a way better team than mexico will ever be. I am sick and tired of mexicans always thinking they are so great and blah blah blah just go to your place and get the f out of the copa america it is a south american competition you know and well you are up there. The same with copa libertadores what's the deal with mexican teams playing in south american tournaments....

[rafa]

Hey we were invites invatation! So we actually add spice to your boring tournament!
We can't help it if argentina couldn't beat us and that we sent equador packing home early for the fifth time! Get used to Mexico being among the best!!

[bboy treble]

mexicans have been saying that since the 30's

2005 welcome to reality

0 world cups
0 copa americas

[rafa]

It's reality for you!

[bboy treble]

its plain reality

unless i was wrong all along and mexico in fact has world cups and copa americas

as it goes mexico has
0 world cups
0 copa americas

and since wayyyy back in the day mexican soccer fanatics like you have been saying "this year will be different" or "we are the best team now"

and year after year more disapointment

[rafa]

you know bboy your as arrogant and hardheaded as they come! We will just prove you wrong as we been doing so far now!

[bboy treble]

how have you proved me wrong so far??

you have not

i only give you facts in hopes that you will awaken from your dream world

[rafa]

you will see!!

[Tsubasa]

Is not being about being among the best it's about staying in your own territory you dumb ass. It's a south american tournament by the way....Mexico sucks ass anyways...We should invite an european team to spice teams up not some fart nation full of short ugly monkeys.

[bboy treble]

Is not being about being among the best it's about staying in your own territory you dumb ass. It's a south american tournament by the way....Mexico sucks ass anyways...We should invite an european team to spice teams up not some fart nation full of short ugly monkeys.


i would have found a lighter way to say this

this is just too much

[futballbabe775]

no, but i do know a lot about jesus christ. :)

just kidding. welcome to sfn


thanks for the welcome. im serious. my soccer coach this year was named Jesus Cardona. he mentioned playing for the Mexican team and im jsut checking that.

[Ese_Guy]

I always laugh when I see idiots get worked up an post stupid comments about others. It is either a pretty good reflection of how the person is in the "real world" or this is the only place where they can get away (physically) with comments like those.

Please refrain from making racial slurs, etc.

Anyway
From FIFA (http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/t/team/profile.html?team=mex)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=a12b noWrap>Founded</TD><TD>1927</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=a12b noWrap>Affiliated</TD><TD>1929</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=a12b noWrap>WC participations</TD><TD>12 (1930, 1950, 1954, 1958, 1962, 1966, 1970, 1978, 1986, 1994, 1998, 2002)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=a12b noWrap>WC honours</TD><TD>Quarter-final 1970 and 1986)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=a12b noWrap>Continental Titles</TD><TD>Three times NAFC champions (1947, 1949, 1991), three times CONCACAF champions (1965, 1971, 1977), three times Gold Cup (1993, 1996, 1998), five times Central American champions (1935, 1938, 1959, 1966, 1990), three times Pan American champions (1967, 1975 with Brazil, 1999)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=a11 colSpan=2>Facts



Mexico have qualified for the FIFA World Cup finals 12 times  more often than world powers such as France and England for example. And their best results have come when they have hosted the tournament.
They reached the quarter-finals in 1970 and 1986, on both occasions losing to the eventual runners-up. In 1970, Italy defeated them 4-1 and in 1986, the home team were devastated after losing the penalty shoot-out with Germany.
The Mexicans have collected their fair share of silverware in regional tournaments, including the CONCACAF Gold Cup, Central America Championships, CONCACAF Champions Cup and Pan-American Games.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Detenator]

Mexico is a good team, they shouldn't be taken lightly at anytime. I mean, even the big power houses like argentina, italy and brazil always mention that mexico is never to be underestimated when they face them. I think that mexico plays best when facing a big opponent like those three dogs. They also lower their level when facing other lesser teams. I know that mexico isn't the best in the world, maybe not even top five, but they do rank somewhere in the top ten.

W.C. 2002 was a god cup for mexico. Before the world cup began, I remember a lot of you guys mentioning that mexico would not make it to the next round, that Italy and croatia would surely run over them. Mexico would be humilated by totti and crew... you get the idea. They went and played well against both teams, even came out on top of their group. The italians were desperate and trying to tie the game. Once they did, the game pretty much ended. Anyhow... Mexico is an exciting team to watch, you haters must admit that you were probably wishing that we got eliminated early. Why we lost to the US... I don't know. From the final 16 and on, the games were poorly ref'd. Italy should of not lost, spain was clearly cheated, turkey was also discriminated... and on and on.... but... I'm not saying mexico is No. 1 in all of the universe, I'm just saying that they're good. I also think that Mexico has an issue when it comes to the World Cup. Since their previous performances haven't been exactly great when it comes to the final 16, I think that their mentality becomes negative. I would say something like the "bambino curse" on the redsox. For ages they told themselves it was impossible to win the W.S. because they were cursed, but they eventually got over it. Mexico might suprise us once again in the next W.C.

If you people make your remarks based on stereotyping and racism, then please consider yourselves ignorant. It's easy to watch and criticize soccer teams and players, and it's another to be out there. If you guys think that you're better than players in mexico, then why aren't you playing in big leagues? Why don't you go to Mexico, get drafted into a club and show us (Mexicans), how horrible we are at futbol?Are you too fat? Are you slow? out of shape... please give people the respect that they deserve.

[Venom]

very well said

[bboy treble]

Mexico is a good team, they shouldn't be taken lightly at anytime. I mean, even the big power houses like argentina, italy and brazil always mention that mexico is never to be underestimated when they face them. I think that mexico plays best when facing a big opponent like those three dogs. They also lower their level when facing other lesser teams. I know that mexico isn't the best in the world, maybe not even top five, but they do rank somewhere in the top ten.


this is how i truly feel about mexico

[aguilas]

this is how i truly feel about mexico

That's cool :thumbsup:

[ricoo9]

this is how i truly feel about mexico

R U FREAKING CRAZY?????????????????? MEXICO TOP 10????? thats the most craziest, stupidest thing i have ever heard........ IF mexico is so great then why dont they win a REAL tournament like COPA America OR The WORLD CUP? THe only thing they ever win is Gold Cup where they go against the worst teams in the world like haiti and cuba and guatemala... teams that dont ever have a chance even against sorry teams from asia...and ok..maybe mexico has a couple of good players but their not even mexican, their best player is a brasilian and an argentinan. so yeah sure Mexico qualifies all the time but who do they have to beat?? They should make concacaaf and conmebol play together for qualifying matches for WC and we'll see if they keep qualifying.......
here are teams that r way better than mexico....and i can name more than 10
1.Brazil
2.Argentina
3. Italy
4. SPain
5.Germany
6.Netherlands
7.Portugal
8.France
9.England
10. czech republic
11.Uruguay
12.paraguay
13.colombia
14.USA................ ok should i keep going? all these teams have world class players playing in the Top leagues of the world and all are way superior players than the mexicans and are 1000 times more recognized around the world............. THANK YOU!!!!!!!

[Calif]

Mexicos brief description of what they have done and yes they have won a U-17 world cup this year.

Ranked in the top ten by FIFA; In 2005 Mexico's U-17 team lifted their 1st ever FIFA World Cup. In addition, Mexico has reached the Men’s FIFA World Cup quarter-finals twice; has lifted a FIFA Confederations Cup; and have lifted 4 CONCACAF Gold Cups.

[ricoo9]

First of all, U cannot consider the U-17 World Cup to be at the same level as the Real World Cup that is held every 4 years. Sure, I'm glad you guys finally won something at an international level but many African teams have won that under 17, that doesnt make their Mens side any better or put them in the top 10. Again, sure MExico is in Fifas top 10 ranking, but again Why r they their? Remember that the fifa ranking goes by points and since mexico plays panama and cuba and other teams that suck of course their not gonna lose that often, Sure they won the GOld cup but they probably beat Dominican republic or something to get that Cup.....And the fact that Mexico made it to a quarter final doesnt prove anything cuz Korea and Turkey MAde it to the Semi Final...that doesnt make them anybetter..or should Korea be in the top 10 also? FAce it u guys suck and u will never be able to consider yourselfs as good as any south american or european team. If MExico would play qualifying games in Conmebol they would never qualify........AGAIN THANKs ALOT!!! :boo:

[Ese_Guy]

Thanks for what?
What are you getting all worked up for?

[ricoo9]

I get worked up at the fact that MExicans think too much of their soccer team when in reality its a piece of garbage.... If u guys win 1 game u think u guys r the world champions or something..... I remember when chivas beat boca JRs in libertadores cups ..... i didnt hear the end of it for like 2 months they kept showing the same game over and over and over on fox ..... at the end they didnt even win the cup ..... u guys gotta get a reality check.

[Ese_Guy]

What a moron.
Who doesn't speak about their teams as much as possible?

You probably simply happen to live in a market where the channels you watch show mostly Mexican sports.

[ricoo9]

well buddy if u happen to live in the United states thats the way it is all over. U think Boca juniors cares if they beat Chivas? to them its no big deal but the fact is that even great teams r modest but when it comes to mexico and their clubs they arent modest at all.......and they talk alot of crap cuz of all the brainwashing that goes on with tv here.......but the truth is u guys cant even win a libertadores cup so at the end the ones who talk crap and think too highly of themselves (mexicans) dont win anything unless its againt some team from cuba or something.

[Ese_Guy]

That's pretty much my point. This is what you mostly hear, because you're in the U.S.

Which clubs talk crap? I'd like to read some instances.
Where is/are your team/s from?

[ricoo9]

"Si tuviera equipo completo, voy a Brasil y le gano al Paranaense, pero ahora, sin varios titulares, pelearé con todo para ganar", dijo Galindo, en declaraciones que difunde hoy el semanario deportivo mexicano "Soccermanía". another Example is the last game that Mexico played against USA for WC qualifying that USA won. Before the game Jared borgetti said ""no tenemos de ke preocuparnos, nosotros vamos aganarle a ellos, siempre hemos sido mejores"....at the end the reality is that US beat mexico and qualified before mexico did. jorge campos en una entrevista dijo ke estados unidos como habian ganado iban a estar "ladrando como perros dibulgando la victoria.."..........well who really r the ones that talk crap? The only thing mexico has is the MExican league because they buy alot of south americans but even with all that they havent been able to win a copa libertadores.

my team is bayern munich and juventus

[Ese_Guy]

"Si tuviera equipo completo, voy a Brasil y le gano al Paranaense, pero ahora, sin varios titulares, pelearé con todo para ganar", dijo Galindo, en declaraciones que difunde hoy el semanario deportivo mexicano "Soccermanía". another Example is the last game that Mexico played against USA for WC qualifying that USA won. Before the game Jared borgetti said ""no tenemos de ke preocuparnos, nosotros vamos aganarle a ellos, siempre hemos sido mejores"....at the end the reality is that US beat mexico and qualified before mexico did. jorge campos en una entrevista dijo ke estados unidos como habian ganado iban a estar "ladrando como perros dibulgando la victoria.."..........well who really r the ones that talk crap? The only thing mexico has is the MExican league because they buy alot of south americans but even with all that they havent been able to win a copa libertadores.

my team is bayern munich and juventus

1st of all welcome to the forum :).

2nd, since you did not provide links, I will assume that they were simply responding to media questions rather that making blatant statements.

Your 1st quote simply states that Galindo would fight with everything they've got in order to win. It seems more like a praise for Paranaense.

The second quote was based on fact. Why would they fear any opponent? It's all psychological. Who would go into a match with defeat on their mind? Jorge Campos was right, did you read & hear everything Landon Donovan was saying?

You support a German and an Italian team. If you don't mind me asking, what nationality are you?

[ricoo9]

my parents r Italian and peruvian but i was born here so i'm american :smoking:

[RafaDinho]

well buddy if u happen to live in the United states thats the way it is all over. U think Boca juniors cares if they beat Chivas? to them its no big deal but the fact is that even great teams r modest but when it comes to mexico and their clubs they arent modest at all.......and they talk alot of crap cuz of all the brainwashing that goes on with tv here.......but the truth is u guys cant even win a libertadores cup so at the end the ones who talk crap and think too highly of themselves (mexicans) dont win anything unless its againt some team from cuba or something.

Hey guys! I'm new here. Interesting thread! Very Interesting!

So it's a plot against the U.S. civilization!!! All this brainwashing! Dude c'mon, relax!... And believe me, Boca CARES if they beat Chivas or any other teams for that matter. And stop using Cuba and Dominican Republic as if they were useless! Shame on you!

Anyhoo, no, we have not won any copa libertadores, then again we've only recently been invited to these tournaments. My point: We've only been competing for a couple of years (don't know exactly how many), and lately we've been one of the top three countries (Brazil and Argentina) in the tournament competing in the "octavos, cuartos, semi y finales". Yes we have been eliminated. But by teams from Brazil and/or Argentina. "Mis Chivas Rayadas" eliminated Once Caldas, the last Copa Libertadores champ. Pumas eliminated Corinthians(!) yesterday from Copa Sudamericana!!! As of right now, name the top three nations competing in the Copa Sudamericana.

Listen, I agree with most of you that most of us Mexicans tend to exaggerate the level on which "El Tri Mexicano" is. We are not a football (note that I refused to call it soccer) powerhouse. Heck, I don't know why we are ranked #5 in the world. (Just kidding! I do know! It's by the points accumulated in matches.) We are not above England, France, Italy, Spain or any other European team.

Do you remember Senegal's performance in the last WC? Did they win the cup? No. But it was the level of their play in the tournament that left the lasting impression on the football world. Doesn't make them a powerhouse either. Believe me, even if they did not win the cup, in Senegal, it was the talk of the town. Non-stop. That is exactly what happens with us Mexicans when we beat a team like Boca, Corinthians. You non-Mexicans just happen to get caught in the hype and therefore start hating and talking crap about the level of our game. Yes, you will meet Mexicans that screams "We are kings of the world!" as I have met. What can I say? There are people like that everywhere. I don't understand why they said that in the past as we have never won crap (as you say). But lately we have progressed so much that it becomes a big deal for us. Keep in mind, sports journalism in the U.S. have busy days when Mexican Football does good anywhere. Not win. Does good. Why? We are the biggest Latino Market in the United States. So, they sell more of their sports magazines, newspapers and bring ratings to newscasts on the telly. That's when all the "brainwashing" begins. Muaaa-ha-haaaaa!!!

Something i've noticed: All you peeps that say "Mexico sucks this, Mexico sucks that" tend to use defeats by Argentina, Brazil and *drops head in shame* the United States as examples of why we suck. Why don't you say anything about how and in which way YOUR country has kicked our arses? What has the rest of South America done to prove themselves otherwise? Some of you say the Copa Confederaciones that was held in Mexico that we won was fixed! What about the Copa America held in Colombia? Who won? Was it fixed? A-ha! Merit goes to whom deserves it. Colombia is a great nation and deserved a win being all that's going on in that country. But they didn't win it because they deserved it because of what's going on. They won it because they were the best in the tournament. Same goes for Mexico.

I wish Mexico was moved to CONMEBOL. It would be great for us to have a higher level of competition for WC qualifiers and would bring our level of play higher. It is not a joy to me that we qualify to WC's with the level of competition here. CONMEBOL is a better fit for us. And yes, we WOULD qualify as top four to World Cups, too!

I believe we have proved that we are better than most of south american national teams. And yet we have won nothing. With the exception of Brazil and Argentina, we have kicked your ASSES in friendlies and/or competition matches. I apologize, i'm reducing myself to your level. Sorry!

It is great to have educated posts by the likes of Ese_Guy (Good job!) which brings Intellect to this thread. Thanks. I hope this/my response doesn't bring out the garbage that tends to crawl out as a reply. Please guys/gals, if you are going to reply to this post, please keep it clean and educated. Unless you are brazilian of argentine (and don't just claim you are), make sure you don't use Argentina or Brazil as an example why we suck. We all know they are better than us and better than you for that matter. If you are from Chile, tell us why Chile is better than Mexico. What have you done? And so on. And finally , as I said, keep it intellectual. You only reduce your level from "Tercer-Mundista" to "Quinto-Mundista". And that is bad. You are better than that, right?

Oh, and please make sure it has a point. :alien:

[ricoo9]

First of all RAFADINHO, u wrote way too much crap, all i said was that u guys think too highly of urselfs when in reality u will never be as good as the south american powers or any powers for that.... u dont see Ecuador or chile talking alot of garbage and guess what? chilean teams have won libertadores cup many times, so has colombia, paragay,urugay etc.. they have beaten the toughest teams of their time to win the cups and in those times the best players played in south america, i still remember that BOCA with riquelme,Solano, maradona, or a River with Francescoli, Sorin, Aimar. The reason mexican teams have gone up alot is for the fact that South american clubs are constantly selling their best players to european teams....the level of south american clubs has gone extremely down and yet mexican teams still cannot beat us. So, sure i'm not gonna say mexico sux but they are nowhere near the level of any football power in the world. The only player that is sort of doing something at an international level is RAfa marquez and i think Luis MOTTA or anyone else could take his spot, he is an expendable player, yet Urugay has many players playing in the greatest clubs in the world, NOTICE that i am not mentioning BRAZIL OR ARGENTINA. URUGAY,PARAGAY ,PERU ,CHILE, even venezuela has world class players playing in the top teams of the world. Really r u gonna compare Guahtemoc Blanco with a alvaro Recoba? or old ass borgetti with 21 year old jefferson farfan? SOUTH AMERICANS even rule EUROPE, if it wasnt for south americans european teams would be no were near the level they are today and south americans even rule the mexican league. sell all ur south american players from the mexican league and see how well u will do in a libertadores cup :boo:

[ricoo9]

I believe we have proved that we are better than most of south american national teams. And yet we have won nothing. With the exception of Brazil and Argentina, we have kicked your ASSES in friendlies and/or competition matches. I apologize, i'm reducing myself to your level. Sorry!


SOrry RAFADINHo, but as i recall colombia with a "C" team, not even "B" recently eliminated Mexico from ur precious GOLD CUP that USA won. i recall about 2 years ago Peru played mexico in LA or NEw york i dont remember but beat mexico 3-0. The fact is that when MExico plays Copa America they bring all their best players while everyother team brings young, inexperienced or bench players , so sure u might beat us sometimes but if it was a real competition like a world cup where it all matters there is no way mexico could beat any south american team! MEXICO :boo:

[RafaDinho]

First of all RAFADINHO, u wrote way too much crap, all i said was that u guys think too highly of urselfs when in reality u will never be as good as the south american powers or any powers for that.... u dont see Ecuador or chile talking alot of garbage and guess what? chilean teams have won libertadores cup many times, so has colombia, paragay,urugay etc.. they have beaten the toughest teams of their time to win the cups and in those times the best players played in south america, i still remember that BOCA with riquelme,Solano, maradona, or a River with Francescoli, Sorin, Aimar. The reason mexican teams have gone up alot is for the fact that South american clubs are constantly selling their best players to european teams....the level of south american clubs has gone extremely down and yet mexican teams still cannot beat us. So, sure i'm not gonna say mexico sux but they are nowhere near the level of any football power in the world. The only player that is sort of doing something at an international level is RAfa marquez and i think Luis MOTTA or anyone else could take his spot, he is an expendable player, yet Urugay has many players playing in the greatest clubs in the world, NOTICE that i am not mentioning BRAZIL OR ARGENTINA. URUGAY,PARAGAY ,PERU ,CHILE, even venezuela has world class players playing in the top teams of the world. Really r u gonna compare Guahtemoc Blanco with a alvaro Recoba? or old ass borgetti with 21 year old jefferson farfan? SOUTH AMERICANS even rule EUROPE, if it wasnt for south americans european teams would be no were near the level they are today and south americans even rule the mexican league. sell all ur south american players from the mexican league and see how well u will do in a libertadores cup :boo:

Jeez, what a drama queen!... If I say that we utterly suck ass in fútbol, will your life return to normal? And are you typing with your nose? And whose comparing players?

So the reason we've gotten far in Libertadores and/or Sudamericana is because "for the fact that South american clubs are constantly selling their best players to european teams..." My god!... What have I been thinking? So the level has gone "exetremely" down? I'm speechless... :rolleyes:

It's funny, actually, "extremely" funny how you manage to find an excuse or reason out of every corner. If México ever manages to win a Libertadores (and it's not far-fetched as you make it to be!), you are going to say that it's because the level in the tournament is not good anymore. Which will be another one of your desperate reasons of why we suck. And really, the Copa Libertadores is the oldest tournament in the world. And up until recently it has strictly been for So. Amer. teams, so of course Colom., Para., etc., teams have won it a couple of times. Dude, make a point I don't know. Oh the redundancy!

Certain So. Amer. PLAYERS rule Europe and definitely are the team's heart and soul. But not all. Explain Villareal or Inter. These teams are full of south american players and are not at the top. It's also funny what you say about the Mexican League selling your players and we'll get nowhere in Libertadores. Chivas de Guadalajara is made up of only mexicans. We managed to go quite far, yet we did not win anything. Then again the level has gone extremely down so what am I talking about!!!

What nationality are you by the way? Just kidding! I really don't care!

Okay let's do this (i'll keep this as short as possible so you won't have a heart attack!), apparently you will never accept the fact that México's level is growing. There will ALWAYS be over-supportive fans of every nationality. If it bothers you that some Mexican fans goes overboard with their claims that we are the best, just ignore them! As far as you know, your national team is much better. If it reaaaaaaalllyyy bothers you, well, I dare you to say it in their face. That's if you have balls.

What can I say? I'm just enjoying the fact that you get so worked up about meaningless posts.

[ricoo9]

your point in that whole post was.....??? I'm not saying mexicos level isnt growing, in case u havent noticed everybodies level is growing even venezuela who used to suck as bad as ur concacaaf teams, venezuela almost qualified to the world cup in case u didnt know. I bet venezuela could beat mexico

[RafaDinho]

your point in that whole post was.....??? I'm not saying mexicos level isnt growing, in case u havent noticed everybodies level is growing even venezuela who used to suck as bad as ur concacaaf teams, venezuela almost qualified to the world cup in case u didnt know. I bet venezuela could beat mexico

My point was me addressing your statements prior of your last post. (I hope I didn't confuse you, take your time and read again if necessary.)

Anyways, I highly recommend it if you want to debate further with yours truly. But remember, you're much too important and/or superior to deal with the likes of me.

And I also bet that Venezuela could beat México! There is no other way! :lol:

[RafaDinho]

First of all, U cannot consider the U-17 World Cup to be at the same level as the Real World Cup that is held every 4 years.

Here's an example of your utter hate towards Mexico. You magically come up with excuses when we happen to win something. According to you, all South American teams are superior to Mexico. But it only applies to the Older teams because the U-17 level is not up to par with the World Cup level. So now there are rules? You are hopeless. And thanks for pointing out that it's held every 4 years, very enlightening. :rolleyes:

Now, who doesn't know that the level is not the same? But, theoretically, every superior being is superior (sorry for the redundancy) in every level regardless. Which means if you are superior than México there should not be a way for us to win the U-17. Please explain and try not to hurt yourself in the process. :lol:

[ricoo9]

I'd like to see the under 17 win the world cup......lets see if they dont lose to brazil 10-0. Please ur comparing mexicos under 17 team with profesional teams? come on , african teams have won that under 17 tournament...doesnt mean their gonna win a wc when they get older :D i think korea gota better chance to win than mexico :worried: but who knows maybe u guys should play ur sub 17 this summer, after all their the only mexican team thats won anything

[RafaDinho]

I'd like to see the under 17 win the world cup......lets see if they dont lose to brazil 10-0. Please ur comparing mexicos under 17 team with profesional teams? come on , african teams have won that under 17 tournament...doesnt mean their gonna win a wc when they get older :D i think korea gota better chance to win than mexico :worried: but who knows maybe u guys should play ur sub 17 this summer, after all their the only mexican team thats won anything

You are as stupid as they come. Maybe worse. When did I compare the U-17 to any professional teams? If I need to re-explain my previous post (or even this one for that matter), I'd rather go watch paint dry as I might have more fun doing that.

Suggestion: Please re-read my two previous posts. A couple of times if need be. If you don't understand what I'm saying then I suggest you get Hooked-On-Phonics. I just hope you don't think that I'm suggesting for you to get a Hooker-On-A-Phone. Maybe a hooker IS what you need to get your blood flowing from your ass to that thing we inferiors call a brain. Please use it from time to time. As far as this debate, I think you killed it with your "intellect". :rockon:

[ricoo9]

Your such a loser.........in philosophy they call what u just did a "Ad Hominem" cuz u got no argument so u start attacking me with arguments that i need to get laid.what does getting laid have to do with mexico sucking? I bet u dont even know what a pussy looks like. Do u feel better now?? i hope u feel better now cuz nothing is going to fix the fact that mexico sucks ass and will always suck ass. and i'm glad u got enough time in ur hands to write stories that make no sense with maybe 1 sentence out of ur 20 paragraphs making a point, this isnt a newspaper column. To answer your question again, it does not matter that mexico won a under 17 tournament, what good will that do to the mens mexico team. Since brazil and Italy lost the under 17 WC it doesnt mean that they will stop being a good team in the future or that mexico will be better than them, most likely they will still be 100 times better in the near future when they are playing for teams like ac milan or barcelona gaining experience with the best teams in the world while ur mexicans will still be in chivas.Just because they won a under 17 doesnt mean they will win a WC in the future, so who cares if mexico wins a sub 17 or sub 15, it doesnt matter :rolleyes:

[RafaDinho]

Your such a loser.........in philosophy they call what u just did a "Ad Hominem" cuz u got no argument so u start attacking me with arguments that i need to get laid.what does getting laid have to do with mexico sucking? I bet u dont even know what a pussy looks like. Do u feel better now?? i hope u feel better now cuz nothing is going to fix the fact that mexico sucks ass and will always suck ass. and i'm glad u got enough time in ur hands to write stories that make no sense with maybe 1 sentence out of ur 20 paragraphs making a point, this isnt a newspaper column. To answer your question again, it does not matter that mexico won a under 17 tournament, what good will that do to the mens mexico team. Since brazil and Italy lost the under 17 WC it doesnt mean that they will stop being a good team in the future or that mexico will be better than them, most likely they will still be 100 times better in the near future when they are playing for teams like ac milan or barcelona gaining experience with the best teams in the world while ur mexicans will still be in chivas.Just because they won a under 17 doesnt mean they will win a WC in the future, so who cares if mexico wins a sub 17 or sub 15, it doesnt matter :rolleyes:

My pleasure to bring you the opportunity for you to use the phrase "Ad Hominem". I know you were dying to put this "intimidating" philosophical term to use in a post somewhere to make you sound somewhat intelligent. I hope I answered your prayers.

You should read my posts again. You are answering a question I never asked. Now please pay close attention to this. I said that according to you, all South Americans teams are superior than Mexico. Theoretically, shouldn't it apply to all levels? If you are superior in fútbol it should apply to all levels, therefore not giving us a chance to win the U-17 or any tournie. That is all I said. Anyways, It may not be important to you (all non-mexicans), but it is to us. For us, it's a start of a new footballing era. But you don't care, so i'm going to stop it there.

I ask, you are Peruvian, right? What do you have going on besides beating us 3-0? The only reason you are talking so much crap about us is because you are half Italian. Being half Italian is the best thing going on for you. Otherwise you would have nothing. I can almost see it now! "We are better because we've won Libertadores!"... or similar comments.

Please read all my posts and get see that I've never claimed us to be number 1. I've stated that we won nothing. And I've stated that we are doing things we never did in the past. Which is kick your asses in matches. In your last couple of posts you are saying the same thing: "Mexico suxx ass!". Try addressing my comments and stop going in circles with the same argument of "Mexico sux!". How immature. I know we suck. As far as I know, you are ignoring my points and are going straight to the ones you have an answer for. And it's the same answer: "Mexico sucks ass, man!!!"

You say i'm only making 1 point in 20 paragraphs, then why do you keep bothering in replying back?... You are much too important and superior for that. Don't waste your time with me. Why are you soooo angry? Try getting laid! Then you can tell me what a pussy looks like!


:rockon:

[ricoo9]

i guess i got too carried away dude, :evil: but yeah ur right, any country that can win a under 17 tourny has done a great accomplishment, it means u gays r doing something right. Even though i was pretty surprised that mexico won that tournament and i know all "superior" beings should be "superior at every level, i'm saying again, it doesnt matter that mexico won, because it is not the most important level of play. When u gays win a WC or a Copa America, then i'll shut up. i still think south america will always be steps ahead of mexico when it comes to individual players though. Oh yeah 1 more thing, whats up with guatemoc blanco? how the hell can that guy be a footbal player........that guy is a clown on cleats!

[RafaDinho]

i guess i got too carried away dude, :evil: but yeah ur right, any country that can win a under 17 tourny has done a great accomplishment, it means u gays r doing something right. Even though i was pretty surprised that mexico won that tournament and i know all "superior" beings should be "superior at every level, i'm saying again, it doesnt matter that mexico won, because it is not the most important level of play. When u gays win a WC or a Copa America, then i'll shut up. i still think south america will always be steps ahead of mexico when it comes to individual players though. Oh yeah 1 more thing, whats up with guatemoc blanco? how the hell can that guy be a footbal player........that guy is a clown on cleats!

Gays? If I say we mexicans are all gay, will all the stars in your universe realign and bring your life back to normal?... You have an issue that needs to be taken care of, dude. Why all the hate? In the other hand, it's very funny to see you get so pissed about nothing, so keep it up!

No one can deny that South Americans have great individual players. And maybe miles ahead of Mexico when we compare to Brazil and Argentina. But there you go again comparing South America as a whole to Mexico. Which is my issue with all of you who say that we suck. We have Paraguayans, Chileans, Peruvians, etc., using defeats by Brazil and/or Argentina to explain why we suck. Why don't you stick to your country Peru and then talk crap? Oh, I know! You have nothing to brag about but the defeat of 3-0 against Mexico. All you have is Solano. And he is also old like Borgetti. So c'mon! Stop the B.S.! Don't get so worked up if a mexican says "Go Mexico!!!". Who doesn't support their team?!

Blanco is a complete ass. I hate him as much as anybody. Most of it has to do with the fact he plays in América (I'm a Chivas fan). He is the most hated player in México by Mexicans. But he is not a clown. He is among the best players, if not the best Mexican player today. What makes you think he's a clown? Is it the make-up and the big red nose and the funny colorful wig? If you're only saying that to hurt my feelings, then I believe that the only clown here is you.

[ricoo9]

LOL its so funny cuz u say i get pissed but i think ur the 1 taking things personal. I said blanco is a clown cuz he is, that little move he does when he picks up the ball with both feet at the same time, he looks so silly and when he runs he looks like a freaking clown. The reason i use south america as a whole is because u and everyother mexican say that mexicos level is after brazil and argentina. by the way Peru not only has solano, have u heard of Claudio Pizarro? hes been world champions with bayern munich and was voted uefa player last week. Lets see, Paolo guerrero, or 20 year old PSV player Jefferson farfan? he scored the winning goal last week against AC MILANO for the champions, if u havent heard of him, believe me u will soon, that guy is awesome and If u look at other countries besides argentina & brazil, like URUGAY for instance, they have 2 players in real madrid,forlan, recoba etc.. theres more players besides argentinans and brazilians in south AM.

[RafaDinho]

LOL its so funny cuz u say i get pissed but i think ur the 1 taking things personal. I said blanco is a clown cuz he is, that little move he does when he picks up the ball with both feet at the same time, he looks so silly and when he runs he looks like a freaking clown. The reason i use south america as a whole is because u and everyother mexican say that mexicos level is after brazil and argentina. by the way Peru not only has solano, have u heard of Claudio Pizarro? hes been world champions with bayern munich and was voted uefa player last week. Lets see, Paolo guerrero, or 20 year old PSV player Jefferson farfan? he scored the winning goal last week against AC MILANO for the champions, if u havent heard of him, believe me u will soon, that guy is awesome and If u look at other countries besides argentina & brazil, like URUGAY for instance, they have 2 players in real madrid,forlan, recoba etc.. theres more players besides argentinans and brazilians in south AM.

Believe me bubba, I take nothing personal. I agree that Blanco's "trick" is stupid and unintentionally funny. Aside the fact he's a great player, he's also hated because of his personality on and outside the pitch. He believes that even by looking at him is a foul!

I see current Mexican players capable of playing in European leagues. The problem is that we only think of England, Italy, Spain, Germany and France as the ONLY European leagues. They also forget about Asian leagues. Start at the bottom (Greece, Russia, Bulgaria, etc. <No offense!>) and work your way up, that's how I see it. I was cringing when I heard that Chivas wanted to keep Carlos Vela & sign Giovanni Dos Santos from the U-17. I'm so glad it didn't happen and that they got offers in European teams. It makes me proud that they have a mindset to play in Europe. You probably don't care, but to me, that is a start of a new generation of world class mexican players.

I honestly thought that Pizarro was Uruguayan. I have not heard of Guerrero but I have heard of Farfan. I have heard of the Uruguayans Forlan, Recoba, etc. We are not at that level as individual players. Yet. But we're getting there. And that puts a smile to my face.

Believe me, I know about football and recognize talent where there is. I'm not just another mindless mexican fanatic that knows nothing about the beloved sport outside of México (which is about 60% of the mexicans in the US). As far as I know, Ronaldinho is setting the standard as to where EVERY player in the world needs to be.

[unam_mx]

About Copa Libertadores:
Like it has been stated several times, Mexico has only recently started to participate in it so I think its pretty dumb to take shots at Mexican clubs for not winning it...and even worse get all worked up cause theyre participating in the competition.I cant believe u have a problem with them playing in it, even if it is a South American event.They are being invited!Its not like theyre begging to be in it, they were invited.And believe me those South American do care if they lose to 'crap' Mexican teams...just ask Palermo and the Boca coach who got fired.They couldnt take the loss to Chivas and acted like little girls.

U-17 WC:
If u saw any part of that competition, u will know just how dominant the Mexican team was...your surprised they didnt lose to Brazil?!Be surprised that Mexico didnt score 5 on them.By far, Mexico was the best team there.And yes we realize that we cant compare this to a Men's WC but there are several players who have a very bright future--with big European clubs as a matter of fact.I'll mention them in the next paragraph.

Mexican Players in Europe:
First off u have to know something about Mexican football before u go speaking about why there's so few Mexicans in Europe...$$$.Mexican teams dish out the big bucks, and more often then not its more then what Mexicans can get in Europe.You cant tell me that guys like Palencia, Carmona, Hermosillo, Zague, among others couldnt have been decent in Europe during their primes.And current guys like Oswaldo, Salcido, Bravo, Kikin have all been contacted by European teams...Oswaldo was also contacted by Santos of Brasil and was willing to go, but what they were offering was nothing compare to what he is currently making.It aint really cause theyre not worthy enough to play in Europe, Mexico has some players that could do well...not players who would be stars but definitely players who can be solid.Either way u slice it though, u cant deny that the future is looking brighter...Torrado, De Nigris, and Blanco opened the door, Marquez and Borgetti followed, and our U-17 youngsters have only made that entrance bigger.Dos Santos is already being dubbed the next Dhino, the next Messi, and so on...its only a matter of time before he is on BARCELONA's first team.Vela is inked with ARSENAL and will join them when he turns 18, until then he will be on lease with some Spanish team (Valencia I belivieve...or Villareal, starts with a V).Ever Guzman has been contacted by European teams as well...its looking good, u cant deny that.

Copa de Oro:
Yes they were a fraud in that tournament, but remember they were also playing with their B-team...a few starters were in there but most were subs.The first team is pretty much set for Mexico but the second team is still very much in doubt, its a huge drop-off when going from the first to the second team...more so then most other teams.Look at the Confederations Cup, and at the things they were able to do with their first team.They beat Brasil (despite missing a PK), advanced to the semis where they had Argentina against the ropes...scored in the 1st overtime, allowed the tieing goal and lost in PKs.Then played a great match with the host-country in the 3rd place match, going down 4-3 and putting on a good show.Still no excuse for losing to teams like S.Africa but that just puts into perspective the huge difference between the first and second team.


Men's Mexican Team:
Let's get one thing straight, Mexico is not on par with either Argentina or Brazil...but they can sneak up and beat those teams every now and then.With that said, they are also NOT as bad as Venezuela...other then the two giants,they are better then any South American team.You make such a big deal of Mexico not advancing past the second round the last 3 world cups...but u ignore the fact that Venezuela hasnt been there in who know how long, if ever.That Ecuador just made its first appearance in 2002, where they lost to Mexico.Chile has missed the world cup the last two times now, the same for Colombia.Uruguay followed their pathetic 2002 WC by not even making it this time, losing to Australia :lol:...superpower Argentina couldnt advance farther then the "lowly" Mexicans in 2002 (Again, not saying Mexico is better then Argentina.Im just making a point.)

So despite their "choke" jobs in the WC, the only teams that have recently done better then Mexico in the WC is Brasil...Paraguay went just as far in the 98' and 02' as did Mexico, they arent as good now though.

Bottom line is, Mexico is much better then u are making them out to be...theyre a legit TOP 10 team that will be a seeded team for Germany 06'.They are indeed a notch below Argentina and Brasil, but they shouldnt be taken lightly.They are capable of surprising and beating ANY team, including the superpowers.

[ricoo9]

Men's Mexican Team:
With that said, they are also NOT as bad as Venezuela...other then the two giants,they are better then any South American team.

Bottom line is, Mexico is much better then u are making them out to be...theyre a legit TOP 10 team that will be a seeded team for Germany 06'.They are indeed a notch below Argentina and Brasil, but they shouldnt be taken lightly.They are capable of surprising and beating ANY team, including the superpowers.


Dude, you are crazy man. One thing u guys have to see is that in south america, after Brazil & Argentina, almost every team is very even in the level of play. Maybe some teams are a little better than others but are still very close. The qualifying games were all very even in points, colombia, chile, peru even venezuela missed out by very little. So by u saying that after Brazil and Arg. is Mexico i dont think would be a correct statement.

I'm not going to say that Mexico is worst them the rest of the teams and i'm not going to say that they are better, but I think they are all just about the same, and yes Urugay didnt qualify but they had to play Australia in a repechaje while mexico automatically qualified by playing low level teams in concacaaf.

By the way in the last world cup Paragay lost to Germany by a minimum difference of 1-0 while u guys lost to USA, so i think there is a little difference there. If u guys are better than every team after Bra. & Arg. in So. AMer. then i would have to say USA is 3rd in America cuz they have beaten MEx. in the last games in high competition. Also, One team that i'll agree of u guys being better than is Ecuador, I think the only reason they qualify to World cups is that they play in very high altitudes, they even beat brazil there. About the rest of the teams u guys will just have to prove it by winning a WC or a Copa America or even a libertadores cup. Sure u guys have a nice league but that all has to do with the money that flows and the players that u guys buy. So next time there is a Copa America and u guys beat teams that r not ARG. & Brazil that dont bring all bench players, I will agree with u guys that mexico is 3rd in America, if not then stop talking smak because u guys as of yet have not proven anything.

[Ronni]

First of all I'd like to declare myself as "neutral" on this point - what anyone could consider from himself - but before saying my opinion I will explain my position on supporting Mexico and other South American teams, so that you understand how biased I can be.
During a Copa America I would support at first the medium South American teams, then Mexico, then Brazil, and at least Argentina. My reasons: "medium" before "strong" because I tend to support the weaker. S.America before Mexico because of personal preference, and Brazil before Argentina also personal preference. I said "I would support" because indeed I don't care much about it!
Note: I have some bad feelings towards Peru because I think they played dirty in 1978, but still I support them - it's too far back in the past.
During the WC I support at first Brazil, then Argentina (because these are more able to beat Europe), then South American "medium", then Mexico, then african teams, then ..., and at least the strongest europeans.

Ok, now you know how biased I am, direct to my opinion.

In my opinion as a football power Mexico is nowadays a little bit higher than the "medium" South American teams. But really not much. Actually nothing that would justify the size of the population, economy etc. This means that the effects of football culture in South America is much stronger than in Mexico. For that point we should compare Mexico to Brazil, and ... well ... in my opinion despite of one victory here or there - what makes football the most interesting game - there's no comparison at all. You may agree.

Mexico history in the WC is miserable. No other team was defeated that often. In this point Mexico holds the record. But there's one reason: since for years they were the only real team in Central/North America, they could qualify easily and got equally easily beaten during the WC. We shouldn't forget that the first time in history an african team won a WC match happened when an african team was able to play Mexico ...
But even that low level of mexican football belongs to the past. I don't know why, but despite of being a "football country", Mexico was in the past really a complete underdog. Mexico entered the best 8 in the WC only twice in the history: when they where the hosts.
Moreover in my opinion Mexico never had "the big squad" - a team that every other team on Earth would fear. Uruguay did, Colombia did, Peru did.
But now we live another reality. Mexico were able to improve and reach the level of South America. And it's not because they have a good generation. I'm sure this is definitive - they're there to stay, and they will never get back to their "underdogs" role.
I'm still waiting for the mexican "big squad". One day it will happen, and they will fight on top with Brazil and Argentina with one specific brilliant team. But I don't think I will live the day when we can consider Mexico belongs definitively to the top without a "brilliant generation" - like Brazil and Argentina do. Perhaps. I don't know.

Indeed I never saw great mexican players. Hugo Sanches was for me one of many others. Peru, Uruguay and Colombia already had their "monsters". I would consider Hugo Sanches on the level of Zamorano or Salas from Chile.
Nowadays they still don't have one player who impresses me. Indeed, Peru have these two excellent Bayern Munich players, and also Farfan. But they still don't make a team. Today's peruvian team is perhaps the worst one they've ever had, and can't be compared to Mexico at all.
And I think Mexico - like Brazil or Argentina - will never get such a low point again. Chile and Paraguay could, Uruguay perhaps. I think Colombia won't either.

Being also a "football country", Mexican league reflects the economy of the country, like for all south americans. In this way, they stay at the same level of Brazil and Argentina, and far above the "medium" south americans - by far smaller countries. But still there is one difference to Brazil and Argentina: they do not produce as many quality players like these two. The lack of offer on players makes their prize higher (this is an economy law - in Brazil and Argentina it's easier to replace a good player and so they're not that valuable in their own market), and so, differently from the big two of South America, they don't sell their best players, substituting them with younger ones (note: their players are valuable in mexican market, and not outside, that's why the money an european team would offer for their quality wouldn't reach internal level). In this way they keep the level of their league high. And indeed Mexico is the only country participating on the Libertadores that has this effect.
The consequence is obvious - they have an advantage toward "medium" South American clubs, but it's still not enough to reach Argentina's and Brazil's "decimated" teams. And like these two (and perhaps even a bit more) Mexico count on players from the smaller latin american countries - again because of economy of these three countries, and has nothing to do with football quality.

The mexican National Team has also advantages and disadvantages on this.
First the advantages. Having most NT-players playing in their own league they know each other better, and the NT gets some kind of priority status in the country. Even if the clubs make their pressure, it's not the same as teams like Milan, Inter, Real, Barcelona or Bayern can make upon the other national teams. Brazil not being able to play in Kwait last week proves this. Peru gets similar problems with Bayern, like Argentina, Uruguay and so on.
This is also the main reason why Mexico is always able to present their best team to any tournament. Indeed south american teams do not consider the Copa America that important, but if Mexico always use their best players, it's not because they want prestige or anything like this. It's because they're able to! The only club pressure they get is internal, and their federation is much more able to cope with it than the south american ones with european clubs.
The advantages are also clear. South American players are playing where the best football players in the world are, where the tactics can be applied in the best way. The teams are constant - not fluctuating like at home, and still at a very high quality. They profit a lot from this. Mexican players stay outside from this (ok, there are some, like Marquez - in my opinion the best mexican player nowadays).

Anyway Mexico's records in the Copa America, despite of these facts, are impressive. And they reflect well the fact that right now Mexico is closer to be the third force in Latin America than any other team.
In the same way, I think that Mexico's leadership in Concacaf that was fading in the last years now has disappeared ... and in my opinion for ever.
In my opinion the US will never be again the football third-world they were before. And I don't think Mexico will be able to leave them much behind in the future. They're all there to stay. As sorry as I can be for mexicans living at the northern side of the border, I think it's unfortunately the reality.

I'd rather not talk about a "Golden Cup" or whatever it's called. For me it has no statistical or historical value. I consider it more or less like this cup Paraguay won last week in Asia - playing against Iran, Macedonia and I don't know who else.

Regarding the youth tournaments ... well, it is indeed clear that Mexico is working more on the basis. But still I wouldn't overestimate this year's achievement. In the history of youth tournaments Mexico arrived only twice in the semis, and this is really not much. I wouldn't still expect that this U-17 mexican team will be their "golden generation". U-17 teams hardly ever become adult teams, if this isn't the case even for U-21 teams.
I would consider this mexican victory a single, isolated fact, though a promising one. I would like to see in the next years if they keep a little bit more consistent (like Brazil, Argentina, Spain and perhaps Portugal or Colombia), then I would see that this means a lot for the future of mexican football.

Well, it was a long posting - sorry for this, but I think I could expose my opinion in my first time in this thread.

[unam_mx]

Im tired of this 'weak competition' arguement, I know it is pretty easy road to get to the world cup for Mexico...and that they are almost a guarantee to make it, but is it their fault that the region is so weak?I can only assume here, but put them in the Conmebol and I think they still qualify in 3rd and at worst in 4th.

They are as ubeatable in the Estadio Azteca in Mexico City as Ecuador is in Qito...and on top of it they are a much better road team, their drop-off as visitor isnt as dramatic as Ecuador's.If Ecuador can qualify, what makes u think that a team equally as unbeatable at home and a much better team as a visitor cant?

As for Uruguay, ok so they went to a repechaje...and whats ur point?You make it sound like it was some grueling thing that they were exposed to, something horrible.When in reality it was their fault that they were in it to begin with.So what if Mexico had an easy road and Uruguay had to go through this "hell-bound" path called the repechaje...it still does not justify losing to AUSTRALIA!That team is weak there's no other way to put it, it would be a pretty close game between them and T&T.Yet Uruguay loses to them, in a must-win game...hey big guy, have u ever considered that maybe Uruguay just isnt that good of a team?I know theyve won world cups before and that they have some players in Europe, but that doesnt mean nothing.

[ricoo9]

First of, Ronnie you make a lot of sense and I agree with you on most of your points, finally someone that isn't biased towards mexico and uses facts to prove the reality of football in latin america. Again, I'm not going to say that Mexico is worst than those teams but they havent really proven to be better. If anybody wants to keep debating, I suggest to do it with Ronnie because his post was almost perfect.

Now as for Unam guy, how can you say Urugay is a weak team? I'm sure they can beat any concacaaf team there is and give mexico some tough competition. As individual players, they have a world class team, Forlan Top goal scorer of the Spanish league last year, 2 players in Real Madrid , etc., and I wouldnt say Australia is a weak team anymore, most of their players play in the Premier League and are important players for their respective clubs. Plus, with a coach like Gus Hiddink, I would have to say what happened to Urugay could happen to any team in Latin America, with the exception of course of Brasil & Argentina, did you even see the repechaje? that was a very well fought out game, both teams wanted it bad and Urugay lost in penalties, so I wouldnt discredit the abilities of these 2 countries. I'm sure Australia wont win the WC but i think they will most likely have a descent WC.

[unam_mx]

Now as for Unam guy, how can you say Urugay is a weak team? I'm sure they can beat any concacaaf team there is and give mexico some tough competition. As individual players, they have a world class team, Forlan Top goal scorer of the Spanish league last year, 2 players in Real Madrid , etc., and I wouldnt say Australia is a weak team anymore, most of their players play in the Premier League and are important players for their respective clubs. Plus, with a coach like Gus Hiddink, I would have to say what happened to Urugay could happen to any team in Latin America, with the exception of course of Brasil & Argentina, did you even see the repechaje? that was a very well fought out game, both teams wanted it bad and Urugay lost in penalties, so I wouldnt discredit the abilities of these 2 countries. I'm sure Australia wont win the WC but i think they will most likely have a descent WC.

Uruguay lost to an Australia team, that simply put isnt very good.Look at what they did prior to the repechaje, like the Confederations Cup and in previous games that theyve played...theyve sucked, no nicer way to put it.And speaking about weak regions, that Oceania qualifier is many times weaker then the Concacaf one--most teams are like the teams that get eliminated early in the Concacaf qualifiers, teams that have no business even playing (St. Vincents & Grenados, Dominica, etc.).

I can assure u one thing...Mexico would NOT have lost to Australia, especially under the must-win situation that Uruguay was under.They wouldve destroyed them in Mexico and at worst gotten a draw in Australia.Australia is a crap team allright, it doesnt matter if they did beat Uruguay they still suck...along with T&T they are the worst team playing in the WC.You're expecting a good WC for them?Are u kidding, theyll be lucky to even get a draw and will be sent home after the group stage.

And yes I know about Uruguay's storied history and about the great players that they have in Europe...but that doesnt mean nothing if u lose to a mediocre team like Australia.Maybe there isnt good chemistry or something cause they do have some good individual talent, but as a team they are indeed...as I stated, not very good.

Mexico is two steps behind Brasil and Argentina, and one step ahead of everyone else in the Americas.

[ricoo9]

Dude i'm really getting tired of having to say the same thing over and over again, u guys r just hard headed. There is no way u can say mexico is 1 step ahead of every south american team, u need to prove it if u r gonna make outragouse remarks like that and u guys arent 2 steps behind brasil i would think more like 30 j/k :rolleyes: but again, read ronnys post and maybe u will finally get in through that hard head of yours. And if mexico can beat australia in estadio azteca, i'm sure they could, they probably would kick aussi ass but thats to mexicos advantage, if they played somewhere neutral i would like to see who wins i'm sure it could go to either 2 and would be an even game,even ecuador beat brasil in quito, doesnt make them a good team but let me shut up and lets just see how good mexico does in this comming world cup, lets see if u guys get further than the first round and who mexico has to beat to get there. ;) see you guys!

[unam_mx]

Dude i'm really getting tired of having to say the same thing over and over again, u guys r just hard headed. There is no way u can say mexico is 1 step ahead of every south american team, u need to prove it if u r gonna make outragouse remarks like that and u guys arent 2 steps behind brasil i would think more like 30 j/k :rolleyes: but again, read ronnys post and maybe u will finally get in through that hard head of yours. And if mexico can beat australia in estadio azteca, i'm sure they could, they probably would kick aussi ass but thats to mexicos advantage, if they played somewhere neutral i would like to see who wins i'm sure it could go to either 2 and would be an even game,even ecuador beat brasil in quito, doesnt make them a good team but let me shut up and lets just see how good mexico does in this comming world cup, lets see if u guys get further than the first round and who mexico has to beat to get there. ;) see you guys!

What I meant by they "would desroy them at the Azteca" is that they wouldnt have done what Uruguay did, and only win by the minimal difference at home...which was pathetic.Like I said Australia sucks, and for Uruguay to lose to them shows how good Uruguay really is.They have talented players, there no denying that but they dont seem to be able to put it together...theyre simply not a very good team.

Read ronny's post, then read the very first one that I made...very similar if u havent noticed.He too agrees that Mexico 3rd power in the Americas behind the two giants, and also has similar opinions on several other issues.

I can see why u want to pull out of this arguement and just wait till the WC...you have gone from making ridiculous statements like "I bet Venzuela could beat Mexico" to gradually showing atleast some respect.In other words u are starting to eat some of ur words, u know that Mexico isnt as bad as u initially made them out to be.The truth is, that only Brasil and Argentina have anything on us...the rest of the South American countries dont.Which is what we have been saying all along, and u have gotten all worked up because u feel that countries like Peru, Colombia, Uruguay, and Chile (which are all going through a bad moment) are our equals.Then u insult us by saying Venezuela might be as well.You're wrong, but I'll give some ground as well:

Mexico is 2 1/2 steps behind Brasil and Argentina, and between 1/2 and 1 steps (depending on the teams) ahead of the rest of the teams in the Americas.Still the 3rd best though :D

[ricoo9]

ok fine, u cannot say mexico is 3rd, and how do u know if mexico can beat venezuela? when was the last time they played? when was the last time that mexico hasnt played an all bench team of south america, u guys cant beat brasil or argentinas subs and if u do beat other south american teams when was the last time u beat an actaul team that didnt have subs besides ecuador cuz ecuador sux. Show me some results of mexico beating by many goals to any south american squad that didnt play their bench or inexperienced players and i then will agree with u that mexico is 3rd.

As of yet u cannot say they are 3rd, If anything USA would be 3rd cuz they have been beating u guys in important competitions lately. Thats why I said wait till the WC cuz u guys r just building too much hype about ur team like always. If you are going to use urugays lost to australia, then what about Mexico-Bulgaria played a couple of weeks ago? mexico lost 3-0 to a worst than mediocre team and they played in Houston which would make mexico the "local" team. Show me some Facts...but since I really doubt you can, we'll just have to wait till the WC.

[unam_mx]

Did u watch the Confederations Cup?We beat Brasil 1-0 and couldve been more if Borgetti didnt miss a PK...that was with their full-team.Then proceeded to play the Argentinian team very well, being up 1-0 in the first extra period before getting tied in the 2nd extra period and eventually losing on PKs.They also put on a good show against Germany and played them very well despite losing 4-3.So your statement of "Mexico cant beat Arg. or Bra. subs" is completely false, they are more then capable of beating the subs and competing with the starters...and getting a win against the starters every once in a while as well.

Regarding ur point about Mexico vs. Venezuela...Brasil hasnt played Costa Rica, how do u know that they can beat them?Its just common sense, u know which team is superior and which is inferior.If u dont think that Mexico is better then Venezuela then ur hatred toward El Tri is even bigger then I though...out of 100 games, Venzuela might beat Mexico 10 times.

Did u even watch the Bulgaria game?First off, there was like one starter in the game and that was the goalie...and I already told u about the huge drop-off between the first and second team, and that was more like a combination of the 2nd/3rd teams.We had 'El Masa' Rodriguez and Huiqui as defenders, two guys who in my opinion have no business being in the NT...as a result on 3 approaches for Bulgaria it was 3 goals.Other then those 3 approaches, Mexico absolutely dominated the possesion of the ball.It looks bad on paper but if u saw that game it wasnt that bad...since most players that were out there wont not even make the cut to go to Germany.

If ur going to make excuses for South American teams losing for to Mexico (bench players excuse), then use the same criteria for Mexico...cause they rarely have their first team out there as well.With that first team they can hang with anyone, and every once in a while beat the giants.

[bboy treble]

Did u watch the Confederations Cup?We beat Brasil 1-0 and couldve been more if Borgetti didnt miss a PK...that was with their full-team.Then proceeded to play the Argentinian team very well, being up 1-0 in the first extra period before getting tied in the 2nd extra period and eventually losing on PKs.They also put on a good show against Germany and played them very well despite losing 4-3.So your statement of "Mexico cant beat Arg. or Bra. subs" is completely false, they are more then capable of beating the subs and competing with the starters...and getting a win against the starters every once in a while as well.

Regarding ur point about Mexico vs. Venezuela...Brasil hasnt played Costa Rica, how do u know that they can beat them?Its just common sense, u know which team is superior and which is inferior.If u dont think that Mexico is better then Venezuela then ur hatred toward El Tri is even bigger then I though...out of 100 games, Venzuela might beat Mexico 10 times.

Did u even watch the Bulgaria game?First off, there was like one starter in the game and that was the goalie...and I already told u about the huge drop-off between the first and second team, and that was more like a combination of the 2nd/3rd teams.We had 'El Masa' Rodriguez and Huiqui as defenders, two guys who in my opinion have no business being in the NT...as a result on 3 approaches for Bulgaria it was 3 goals.Other then those 3 approaches, Mexico absolutely dominated the possesion of the ball.It looks bad on paper but if u saw that game it wasnt that bad...since most players that were out there wont not even make the cut to go to Germany.

If ur going to make excuses for South American teams losing for to Mexico (bench players excuse), then use the same criteria for Mexico...cause they rarely have their first team out there as well.With that first team they can hang with anyone, and every once in a while beat the giants.


winning freindlies and games in first round freindly tournaments that does not make a team great

the point is that even tho mexico beat bra in first round the players still had to sit at home and watch them wint he cup

[Ronni]

ok fine, u cannot say mexico is 3rd,
I think it's ok to say Mexico is 3rd. Who else? "My" next ones would be Chile, Colombia, Paraguay and Uruguay (alphabetical order). But I think no one of these would be able to play against Brazil, Argentina and Germany - on neutral ground for the first two and as visitors for the third - and come back with a result of 5-5, with 1W 1D 1L. In my opinion Mexico was in the Confed Cup in a form that this "big trio" still hadn't reach, and they were the "unknown" black horses (in the WC no other team will play them without analysing their tactics, that is too transparent to succeed), but still they were able to do it, and it's impressive - these teams were playing the tournament as a "real test", and they are 3 of the most important football nations in the world! This is what puts them in my opinion not only as 3rd in Latin America, but also on the limit to top 10 in the world - what no south american besides BRA and ARG would be.



and how do u know if mexico can beat venezuela? when was the last time they played? when was the last time that mexico hasnt played an all bench team of south america,
We're discussing here suppositions on the force of the teams, so it's ok to make such affirmations. And one single result doesn't give us any "definitive answer" either. Otherwise he would be affirming that Mexico is stronger than Brazil, since Mexico won against Brazil. But he's not.
Our suppositions should be based not only on results, and not only on direct confrontations. Otherwise we have FIFA's Ranking, and we don't need to discuss anything - it's mathematics based on results, and perfectly objective. If we want to have our own rankings (indeed nobody accepts FIFA's Ranking as the real force ranking), we have to consider performances beyond the results.
If you watched to both Uru vs. Aus matches, you will agree that Uruguay is stronger than Australia. Considering Australia during the Confed Cup and Uruguay during the WC qualifying, I would reinforce this assertive.
From what I saw recently from Mexico (only Confed Cup I must confess) I consider them a little bit stronger than Uruguay. But I still don't know if it would be enough to beat clearly Australia either. Their tactics seem to work perfectly when playing a stronger team - actually like Uruguay's one!!!
I imagine they would have beaten Australia. But I imagined Uruguay would have done it too. Let's say ... they would have been closer to it.



u guys cant beat brasil or argentinas subs

In the last year Mexico beat once both Brazil and Argentina adults. Brazil's team in the Confed Cup wasn't taking it for serious (until the final, of course), but we can't consider it a "sub". Ronaldo was missing, but he's not unquestionable. Cafu and R.Carlos also, but they had excellent subs and some brazilians would be even prefer these players to be on the main team. This means Mexico beat Brazil's first force, no doubt about it.
Last year when Mexico defeated Argentina, only Riquelme was missing. Ok, he may be the heart of the team, but still Mascherano was present, also a great player. And with Riquelme and co Mexico got a 2-2 with them in the Confed Cup.
This means Mexico has nothing to fear the best of Brazil and Argentina.
Only if these two are in a "good day", I think Mexico has no chance.



and if u do beat other south american teams when was the last time u beat an actaul team that didnt have subs besides ecuador cuz ecuador sux.

I agree. Ecuador is an underdog when they're under 5000ft.
Anyway I think Mexico wouldn't have that many problems on beating them in Quito - less than any other!



Show me some results of mexico beating by many goals to any south american squad that didnt play their bench or inexperienced players

Nobody can beat CHI-COL-PAR-URU "by many goals". Germany can't, Italy can't, France can't. Mexico doesn't have to.
Perhaps only today's Brazil - if they are on a veeery good day (and they could beat anyone "by many goals").

Some large results we saw mainly in the beginning of South America qualies weren't much meaningfull in my opinion.



and i then will agree with u that mexico is 3rd.

Which team do you consider the 3rd?
Make your scale.
Mine would be the following (considering Brazil as 100, and only South America + Mexico):
100: Brazil
93: Argentina
70: Mexico
65: Colombia
63: Paraguay
61: Uruguay
60: Chile
50: Peru
48: Venezuela
46: Ecuador
35: Bolivia




As of yet u cannot say they are 3rd, If anything USA would be 3rd cuz they have been beating u guys in important competitions lately.

I would have my problems on positioning the US. I haven't seen them lately. I just know their position in the qualies.
I imagine them at Mexico's level more or less.



Thats why I said wait till the WC cuz u guys r just building too much hype about ur team like always. If you are going to use urugays lost to australia, then what about Mexico-Bulgaria played a couple of weeks ago? mexico lost 3-0 to a worst than mediocre team and they played in Houston which would make mexico the "local" team. Show me some Facts...but since I really doubt you can, we'll just have to wait till the WC.
Imo Mexico have their problems on playing weaker teams, because they don't have efficient strikers. However their midfield is very good (I consider the excellent Marquez works much for the midfield, and Zinha is also very reliable), and this is what makes them play well against the big ones.
I remember the matches against Argentina and Brazil during the Confed Cup. Against Argentina's strong defense Mexico's front team had no chance at all. Zanetti gave football lessons to mexicans when they tried to adventure themselves in the direction of Argentina's area. Brazil was stopped in the midfield and couldn't produce much (this is the way to stop today's Brazil). But in both matches, Mexico didn't appear to me as "dangerous" - their "underdogs" tactics was perfect. However this may give them problems against weaker teams, when they're supposed to be the ones who make the game. In all 3 matches - ARG-BRA-GER Mexico didn't act, but react. And they did it perfectly. Against Japan and Greece they were supposed to act, and they were far behind their other 3 performances. Against Japan both took the iniciative (and showed they aren't able to - Japan has the same structure as Mexico). Against Greece it was just ridiculous what Mexico showed. I though Mexico should be especulating about who they'd prefer in the semis, but considering it would be Argentina or Germany, there wasn't much choice. I think they played that bad because Greece is the defensive team we know, and this Mexico can't cope with it at all.

The problem during the WC is that Mexico will probably be seeded. They should get one european (if they're lucky they don't get two), one african/south american and one asian. Considering what I said before, if they get a "middle" european (Switzerland / Poland / Ukraine) and two strong non-europeans, they will probably have a lot of problems. If they get a strong european like Holland, Czech Rep or Portugal, Mexico won't be defeated by them, whereas the non-europeans would. This would practically ensure Mexico in the second phase.

[ricoo9]

First of all, since the subject on this forum is about Mexico’s history, let me give you some facts about Mexico’s “accomplishments” in previous football events:

Mexico’s History:
1- Uruguay 1930 – Mexico lost to France 4-1, Chile 3-0, and Argentina 6-3. Mexico didn’t past the first round. Mexico scored only 4 goals and received 13 goals.
2- 1934-1938 - Mexico lost to USA and didn’t qualify to those two world cups.
3- Brazil 1950 - Mexico was again humiliated by losing all the first three games. Only scored 2 goals and received 10.
4- Sweden 1954 – Lost again in the first round. This time was even more embarrassing by losing 5-0 to Brazil, and to France by 3-2.
5- Switzerland 1958 – Mexico didn’t past the first round again. Lost 4-0 to Hungary, 3-0 to Switzerland.
6- Chile 1962 – Mexico didn’t past the first round again by losing to Brazil and Spain.
7- England 1966 – Mexico got disqualified in the first round again.
8- Mexico 1970 – Mexico finally qualify to the second round by beating El Salvador, one of the easiest teams in the Concacaff. Mexico was for the first time in quarter finals, but lost to Italy 4-1 and got eliminated.
9- Germany 1974 – Mexico doesn’t qualify to the world cup and loses to Trinidad I Tobago by 4-0.
10- Argentina 1978 – Mexico lost to Tunisia 3-1, Germany 6-0, and Poland.
11- Spain 1982 – Mexico didn’t qualify to the world cup buy losing to El Salvador, and tying to Canada, Honduras, and Haiti. The only game they won was against Cuba 4-0.
12- Mexico 1986 – For Mexico to be able to play another World Cup after 16 years had to be the host again and made it to the quarter finals.
13- Italy 1990 – Mexico was not in there.
14- USA 1994 – For the first time in history, after many appearances, Mexico finally qualifies for the second phase in a WC that was not held in their own land. Unfortunately, Mexico was eliminated again by Bulgaria the next game.
15- France 1998 – Mexico Won only one game against South Korea, Tied 2, and lost one.
16- Korea 2002 – After hardly qualifying for this W.C, Mexico got eliminated by U.S.A

Ok. This is a brief history of México in the previous WC. Impressive ugh? Now, don’t tell me that this is history and whatever happened in the past does not matter. That is why we all go to school for, to learn about history and benefit for what other people have done in past so we can apply it nowadays. Can you imagine if we all forgot about history?
Don’t forget Uruguay have won the WC 2 times in the past, and still today have way better players than Mexico does. Forlan, which is the current top leading scorer of Spain, cant possibly be compared to Borgetti or Coatemoc Blanco. Not to mention that the whole team is practically individually better than Mexico. Or tell me that kikin Fonseca is better than Recoba. These players as many other South American players act in way more competitive leagues than Mexico’s league, which is where most of Mexico’s first team players perform.

If it is true that Mexico has ever won something it has been in Mexico. Playing against the same low to middle level teams from concacaf and sometimes another team from South America. Understand that it is easier for Mexico to bring their first team to any competition since 95% of the players play in Mexico while South American teams CANNOT do this. The reason is because most of their players perform in Europe and other countries, and in many occasions their teams don’t let them play for their national teams, especially for those competitions like the Gold cup which for me has no precedence.

The following are quotes I have taken from Ronny which I happen to agree with:
“Mexico history in the WC is miserable. No other team was defeated that often. In this point Mexico holds the record. But there's one reason: since for years they were the only real team in Central/North America, they could qualify easily and got equally easily beaten during the WC. We shouldn't forget that the first time in history an African team won a WC match happened when an African team was able to play Mexico ...”

“Mexico entered the best 8 in the WC only twice in the history: when they where the hosts.”

“Moreover in my opinion Mexico never had "the big squad" - a team that every other team on Earth would fear. Uruguay did, Colombia did, and Peru did.”

“Nowadays they (Mexico) still don't have one player who impresses me. Indeed, Peru has these two excellent Bayern Munich players, and also Farfan. “

“Indeed I never saw great Mexican players. Hugo Sanchez was for me one of many others. Peru, Uruguay and Colombia already had their "monsters". I would consider Hugo Sanchez on the level of Zamorano or Salas from Chile.”

“Indeed South American teams do not consider the Copa America that important”

“South American players are playing where the best football players in the world are”

“I'd rather not talk about a "Golden Cup" or whatever it's called. For me it has no statistical or historical value”


Face it, Mexico has been everybody’s bitch in the past and not until recent history has that changed a little.
Now let’s see Mexico’s recent History against South American Squads and others:

12-oct-2005 Mexico 1-2 T&T --Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico Lost to one of the weakest teams in this coming WC and yet Mexico should be able to beat Australia, Uruguay, and Venezuela??

3-sept-2005 Mexico 0 – 2 USA Qualifying match WC06
Mexico is so great and they are the third power in America yet they lost to USA by a difference of 2 goals even though they are 1, 2, 3 I don’t know how many steps ahead of every other team in America.

17-July-2005 Mexico 1-2 Colombia Gold Cup
Mexico’s “subs” lost to Colombia’s “C” team. If Mexico is so great they should be able to beat Colombia’s bench. Their bench should show superiority to Colombias.

27-mar-2005 Mexico 2-1 USA – Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico with that great home advantage in Azteca barely wins 2-1. If this was another cup Mexico would have been eliminated by the difference of goals, USA having 1 more to their advantage.

23-feb-2005 Mexico 1-1 Colombia Carlos González, Sinaloa, Mexico
Mexico ties in Mexico to Colombia 1-1.

26-jan-2005 Mexico 0 – 0 Sweden Petko Park, San Diego
Mexico ties to mediocre Sweden, played in San Diego, Mexico is the local team.

7-July-2004 Mexico 2-2 Uruguay Copa America
The powerhouse Mexico was not able to beat Uruguay in a real International tournament.

18-feb-2004 Mexico 1-1 Chile Home Depot Center de Carson, California
Again Mexico tied as the “local” team to a South American side.

15-Oct-2003 Mexico 0 – 2 Uruguay Soldier Field de Chicago
The “3rd” best team in America loses to Uruguay.

20-Aug-2003 Mexico 1- 3 Peru Giant Stadium, Nueva Jersey
“Great” Mexico with their full squad at the time were down 3-0 in the first half, didn’t score their lonely goal till the 2nd half.

6-july-2003 Mexico 1 -2 El Salvador
Mexico can’t even take care of concacaaf teams and you are saying Mexico 3rd best?

26-march-2003 Mexico 1-1 Paraguay Qualcomm de San Diego
Not even with Rafa Marquez and both teams playing full squad, was Mexico able to beat Paraguay in a place with the majority of the population being Mexican.

About the recent Confederations Cup :
“Winning freindlies and games in first round freindly tournaments that does not make a team great.
The point is that even though Mexico beat Brazil in first round, the players still had to sit at home and watch them win the cup.”

The few Mexican players that are playing abroad, which I can count with 1 hand like Borgetti is not even getting recognition, has he even scored a goal in Bolton? Compared to Forlan or Farfan top scorers for their leagues. He just as Blanco, cannot handle Higher level competition, If he is so great he would be scoring goals like crazy and would be recognized internationally. The most recognized player today in Mexico is Marquez and he is an expendable player, meaning he can be replaced anytime if Barca feels like it.

Mexico is so great yet they need to nationalize players from Brazil, Argentina? Why can’t you guys play with just Mexicans? Are they not good enough? South Am. Squads don’t do that. Tell me when was the last time Colombia, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, or any other south American team nationalized players to play for them? Pathetic!!!

Mexico lost to many of the low level concacaf teams in many recent occasions playing official games trying to qualify for the 2002 WC in Korea. They lost to USA, Honduras, and tied with T & T. They even lost in the Azteca against Costa Rica. Now, tell me that Mexico deserves to be 3rd place in America.

I’ve had enough of “ASSUMPTIONS” and FALSE claims from you guys, so I am showing FACTS which prove that not only has Mexico won nothing important but hasn’t proved to be the third power in America, so how can Mexicans say they are better than Australia or Uruguay? My personal opinion on Mexico is that they are neither great nor sorry; they are just about the level of other South American squads but not better.

I think this is enough scores & stats of Mexico’s recent games, if you guys would like though I can show more. According to these scores and statistics NO MEXICAN can say they are the 3rd or even 4th or 5th place team in America, what you guys have to do is just not say anything at all and wait for the WC to see the results. I don’t want to hear anything about U-17 or that Mexico has a great future because we are talking about NOW, the present, and what has happened in the past, not future. If we talk about future then I can say most teams have a great future, it is an assumption. “U-17 teams hardly ever become adult teams, if this isn't the case even for U-21 teams.”

I don’t have anything against Mexico or its people. What I am against, is the mentality of people like UNAM guy, and believe me, there are many out there which is the reason I started posting in this forum Becuase u people talk crap having accomplished nothing. I don’t see Colombians, Paraguayans, Uruguayans etc, or any other team in South America and the world talking garbage as Mexicans. South American Teams have accomplished just as much or even more in Copa America and the World Cup than Mexico has, hell, I don’t even see Brazilians and Argentines talk garbage as Mexicans do and of course like any team they celebrate when they win but they keep humble, they don’t go around degrading other countries or talking bull about whos better,And guess what if they wanted to they could cuz they r actually that good (Brazil&Arg), the FACTS are there.

So as for you people, I suggest you stop making assumptions and look at the FACTS, If Mexico is so good they woudlnt be tying and losing to these "less superior" teams. Open your eyes and get a reality check from your dream world, and hopefully Mexico won’t be eliminated by USA or even a lower level team again in this coming WC. :boo: :shocked:

[unam_mx]

You are such a hater man...

First off what the hell do all those 1930-1990 WCs have to do with right now?There's not one player left on the team from that era, hell there's not even one from 94' and only a few from 98'.I find it completely ridiculous that u consider our bright future insignificant, yet of the past u think otherwise.When talking about NOW, neither the past nor future mean nothing.Dont try to say that one does (ironically the one that doesnt favor Mexico) and that the other doesnt (the one that favors Mexico).

Secondly, I love how u bring up matches ONLY when they lost...not even giving thought to important wins in recent years over teams like Brasil and Argentina.I love how u also dont take into account the circumstances, 2003 was like the first yr under Lavolpe and a transition was being made.A lot of progress has been made, believe me those 2003 results mean close to nothing now and will be absolutely meaningless in 06'.T&T beat us, yeah they were battling for their WC lives and Mexico didnt give a shit...we had mostly subs, but being the hater that u are u dont even give thought to that.But of course if its some other team besides Mexico who plays with subs, you're quick to point it out--and Im the biased one?Even if I am biased, it doesnt come close to how biased u are against Mexico.

You obviously have something against them...u magnify everything that makes Mexico seem lowly and completely ignore everything that suggests otherwise.For example for 98' u say they only got one win against the lowly Koreans, yet make no attempt to point out that they tied to eventual 3rd place Holland.That they went undefeated during the group stage, and played Germany very well in the 2nd round (had a 1-0 lead, ended up losing 2-1).And in 02', u just mention the US game and nothing more...they also went undefeated in the group stage and finished 1st in their group which included Italy (whom they tied).You always want to mention the bad side of the coin and never look at the other side...its ridiculous how much hatred u have towards Mexico.

As far as naturalized players go...we're not naturalizing them allright, they are choosing to naturalize themselves.Maybe their way of thanking a land that has brought them family and opportunity.And I dont know about the countries in South America but I do know that alot of other countries have naturlized players as well...the USA has several, European teams, Asian teams have them.We aint the only ones.

[PunkguyEG]

[QUOTE=unam_mx]You are such a hater man...

First off what the hell do all those 1930-1990 WCs have to do with right now?There's not one player left on the team from that era, hell there's not even one from 94' and only a few from 98'.I find it completely ridiculous that u consider our bright future insignificant, yet of the past u think otherwise.When talking about NOW, neither the past nor future mean nothing.Dont try to say that one does (ironically the one that doesnt favor Mexico) and that the other doesnt (the one that favors Mexico).



TO: UNAM

Hey man I think you are blind or sumthing. What else do u want? You are so closed minded. I can't believe you still argue something that is not arguable anymore. First of all, if u haven't noticed, the title of this discussion is "About Mexico's soccer history ...".
so i think you got something wrong there.
"Now, don’t tell me that this is history and whatever happened in the past does not matter. That is why we all go to school for, to learn about history and benefit for what other people have done in past so we can apply it nowadays. Can you imagine if we all forgot about history?"


As far as naturalized players go...we're not naturalizing them allright, they are choosing to naturalize themselves.Maybe their way of thanking a land that has brought them family and opportunity.And I dont know about the countries in South America but I do know that alot of other countries have naturlized players as well...the USA has several, European teams, Asian teams have them.We aint the only ones.

That is fine if anyone wants to get naturalized in a foreign country because of whatever reason, but they shouldn't be playing for the national team. YOu guys need these guys to play for you guys, otherwise you wouldn't call them. The truth is, they are not really mexican.


Secondly, I love how u bring up matches ONLY when they lost...not even giving thought to important wins in recent years over teams like Brasil and Argentina.I love how u also dont take into account the circumstances, 2003 was like the first yr under Lavolpe and a transition was being made.A lot of progress has been made, believe me those 2003 results mean close to nothing now and will be absolutely meaningless in 06'.T&T beat us, yeah they were battling for their WC lives and Mexico didnt give a shit...we had mostly subs, but being the hater that u are u dont even give thought to that.But of course if its some other team besides Mexico who plays with subs, you're quick to point it out--and Im the biased one?Even if I am biased, it doesnt come close to how biased u are against Mexico.
You obviously have something against them...u magnify everything that makes Mexico seem lowly and completely ignore everything that suggests otherwise.For example for 98' u say they only got one win against the lowly Koreans, yet make no attemp
t to point out that they tied to eventual 3rd place Holland.That they went undefeated during the group stage, and played Germany very well in the 2nd round (had a 1-0 lead, ended up losing 2-1).And in 02', u just mention the US game and nothing more...they also went undefeated in the group stage and finished 1st in their group which included Italy (whom they tied).You always want to mention the bad side of the coin and never look at the other side...its ridiculous how much hatred u have towards Mexico.

Hey if mexico is so good, why do you guys lose to this sorry teams?? if you guys are so awesome you shouldn't lose at all with teams such as T&T. I can't believe you guys talk to much shit about USA and they have beaten you guys so many times. I saw this interview with borgetti the other day right before the game with USA. He was so confident, telling everyone USA sucks and you guys are the best. I was so happy they wooped you ass.
"I don’t have anything against Mexico or its people. What I am against, is the mentality of people like UNAM guy, and believe me, there are many out there which is the reason I started posting in this forum Becuase u people talk crap having accomplished nothing. I don’t see Colombians, Paraguayans, Uruguayans etc, or any other team in South America and the world talking garbage as Mexicans. South American Teams have accomplished just as much or even more in Copa America and the World Cup than Mexico has, hell, I don’t even see Brazilians and Argentines talk garbage as Mexicans do and of course like any team they celebrate when they win but they keep humble, they don’t go around degrading other countries or talking bull about whos better,And guess what if they wanted to they could cuz they r actually that good (Brazil&Arg), the FACTS are there."

[bboy treble]

First of all, since the subject on this forum is about Mexico’s history, let me give you some facts about Mexico’s “accomplishments” in previous football events:

Mexico’s History:
1- Uruguay 1930 – Mexico lost to France 4-1, Chile 3-0, and Argentina 6-3. Mexico didn’t past the first round. Mexico scored only 4 goals and received 13 goals.
2- 1934-1938 - Mexico lost to USA and didn’t qualify to those two world cups.
3- Brazil 1950 - Mexico was again humiliated by losing all the first three games. Only scored 2 goals and received 10.
4- Sweden 1954 – Lost again in the first round. This time was even more embarrassing by losing 5-0 to Brazil, and to France by 3-2.
5- Switzerland 1958 – Mexico didn’t past the first round again. Lost 4-0 to Hungary, 3-0 to Switzerland.
6- Chile 1962 – Mexico didn’t past the first round again by losing to Brazil and Spain.
7- England 1966 – Mexico got disqualified in the first round again.
8- Mexico 1970 – Mexico finally qualify to the second round by beating El Salvador, one of the easiest teams in the Concacaff. Mexico was for the first time in quarter finals, but lost to Italy 4-1 and got eliminated.
9- Germany 1974 – Mexico doesn’t qualify to the world cup and loses to Trinidad I Tobago by 4-0.
10- Argentina 1978 – Mexico lost to Tunisia 3-1, Germany 6-0, and Poland.
11- Spain 1982 – Mexico didn’t qualify to the world cup buy losing to El Salvador, and tying to Canada, Honduras, and Haiti. The only game they won was against Cuba 4-0.
12- Mexico 1986 – For Mexico to be able to play another World Cup after 16 years had to be the host again and made it to the quarter finals.
13- Italy 1990 – Mexico was not in there.
14- USA 1994 – For the first time in history, after many appearances, Mexico finally qualifies for the second phase in a WC that was not held in their own land. Unfortunately, Mexico was eliminated again by Bulgaria the next game.
15- France 1998 – Mexico Won only one game against South Korea, Tied 2, and lost one.
16- Korea 2002 – After hardly qualifying for this W.C, Mexico got eliminated by U.S.A

Ok. This is a brief history of México in the previous WC. Impressive ugh? Now, don’t tell me that this is history and whatever happened in the past does not matter. That is why we all go to school for, to learn about history and benefit for what other people have done in past so we can apply it nowadays. Can you imagine if we all forgot about history?
Don’t forget Uruguay have won the WC 2 times in the past, and still today have way better players than Mexico does. Forlan, which is the current top leading scorer of Spain, cant possibly be compared to Borgetti or Coatemoc Blanco. Not to mention that the whole team is practically individually better than Mexico. Or tell me that kikin Fonseca is better than Recoba. These players as many other South American players act in way more competitive leagues than Mexico’s league, which is where most of Mexico’s first team players perform.

If it is true that Mexico has ever won something it has been in Mexico. Playing against the same low to middle level teams from concacaf and sometimes another team from South America. Understand that it is easier for Mexico to bring their first team to any competition since 95% of the players play in Mexico while South American teams CANNOT do this. The reason is because most of their players perform in Europe and other countries, and in many occasions their teams don’t let them play for their national teams, especially for those competitions like the Gold cup which for me has no precedence.

The following are quotes I have taken from Ronny which I happen to agree with:
“Mexico history in the WC is miserable. No other team was defeated that often. In this point Mexico holds the record. But there's one reason: since for years they were the only real team in Central/North America, they could qualify easily and got equally easily beaten during the WC. We shouldn't forget that the first time in history an African team won a WC match happened when an African team was able to play Mexico ...”

“Mexico entered the best 8 in the WC only twice in the history: when they where the hosts.”

“Moreover in my opinion Mexico never had "the big squad" - a team that every other team on Earth would fear. Uruguay did, Colombia did, and Peru did.”

“Nowadays they (Mexico) still don't have one player who impresses me. Indeed, Peru has these two excellent Bayern Munich players, and also Farfan. “

“Indeed I never saw great Mexican players. Hugo Sanchez was for me one of many others. Peru, Uruguay and Colombia already had their "monsters". I would consider Hugo Sanchez on the level of Zamorano or Salas from Chile.”

“Indeed South American teams do not consider the Copa America that important”

“South American players are playing where the best football players in the world are”

“I'd rather not talk about a "Golden Cup" or whatever it's called. For me it has no statistical or historical value”


Face it, Mexico has been everybody’s bitch in the past and not until recent history has that changed a little.
Now let’s see Mexico’s recent History against South American Squads and others:

12-oct-2005 Mexico 1-2 T&T --Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico Lost to one of the weakest teams in this coming WC and yet Mexico should be able to beat Australia, Uruguay, and Venezuela??

3-sept-2005 Mexico 0 – 2 USA Qualifying match WC06
Mexico is so great and they are the third power in America yet they lost to USA by a difference of 2 goals even though they are 1, 2, 3 I don’t know how many steps ahead of every other team in America.

17-July-2005 Mexico 1-2 Colombia Gold Cup
Mexico’s “subs” lost to Colombia’s “C” team. If Mexico is so great they should be able to beat Colombia’s bench. Their bench should show superiority to Colombias.

27-mar-2005 Mexico 2-1 USA – Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico with that great home advantage in Azteca barely wins 2-1. If this was another cup Mexico would have been eliminated by the difference of goals, USA having 1 more to their advantage.

23-feb-2005 Mexico 1-1 Colombia Carlos González, Sinaloa, Mexico
Mexico ties in Mexico to Colombia 1-1.

26-jan-2005 Mexico 0 – 0 Sweden Petko Park, San Diego
Mexico ties to mediocre Sweden, played in San Diego, Mexico is the local team.

7-July-2004 Mexico 2-2 Uruguay Copa America
The powerhouse Mexico was not able to beat Uruguay in a real International tournament.

18-feb-2004 Mexico 1-1 Chile Home Depot Center de Carson, California
Again Mexico tied as the “local” team to a South American side.

15-Oct-2003 Mexico 0 – 2 Uruguay Soldier Field de Chicago
The “3rd” best team in America loses to Uruguay.

20-Aug-2003 Mexico 1- 3 Peru Giant Stadium, Nueva Jersey
“Great” Mexico with their full squad at the time were down 3-0 in the first half, didn’t score their lonely goal till the 2nd half.

6-july-2003 Mexico 1 -2 El Salvador
Mexico can’t even take care of concacaaf teams and you are saying Mexico 3rd best?

26-march-2003 Mexico 1-1 Paraguay Qualcomm de San Diego
Not even with Rafa Marquez and both teams playing full squad, was Mexico able to beat Paraguay in a place with the majority of the population being Mexican.

About the recent Confederations Cup :
“Winning freindlies and games in first round freindly tournaments that does not make a team great.
The point is that even though Mexico beat Brazil in first round, the players still had to sit at home and watch them win the cup.”

The few Mexican players that are playing abroad, which I can count with 1 hand like Borgetti is not even getting recognition, has he even scored a goal in Bolton? Compared to Forlan or Farfan top scorers for their leagues. He just as Blanco, cannot handle Higher level competition, If he is so great he would be scoring goals like crazy and would be recognized internationally. The most recognized player today in Mexico is Marquez and he is an expendable player, meaning he can be replaced anytime if Barca feels like it.

Mexico is so great yet they need to nationalize players from Brazil, Argentina? Why can’t you guys play with just Mexicans? Are they not good enough? South Am. Squads don’t do that. Tell me when was the last time Colombia, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, or any other south American team nationalized players to play for them? Pathetic!!!

Mexico lost to many of the low level concacaf teams in many recent occasions playing official games trying to qualify for the 2002 WC in Korea. They lost to USA, Honduras, and tied with T & T. They even lost in the Azteca against Costa Rica. Now, tell me that Mexico deserves to be 3rd place in America.

I’ve had enough of “ASSUMPTIONS” and FALSE claims from you guys, so I am showing FACTS which prove that not only has Mexico won nothing important but hasn’t proved to be the third power in America, so how can Mexicans say they are better than Australia or Uruguay? My personal opinion on Mexico is that they are neither great nor sorry; they are just about the level of other South American squads but not better.

I think this is enough scores & stats of Mexico’s recent games, if you guys would like though I can show more. According to these scores and statistics NO MEXICAN can say they are the 3rd or even 4th or 5th place team in America, what you guys have to do is just not say anything at all and wait for the WC to see the results. I don’t want to hear anything about U-17 or that Mexico has a great future because we are talking about NOW, the present, and what has happened in the past, not future. If we talk about future then I can say most teams have a great future, it is an assumption. “U-17 teams hardly ever become adult teams, if this isn't the case even for U-21 teams.”

I don’t have anything against Mexico or its people. What I am against, is the mentality of people like UNAM guy, and believe me, there are many out there which is the reason I started posting in this forum Becuase u people talk crap having accomplished nothing. I don’t see Colombians, Paraguayans, Uruguayans etc, or any other team in South America and the world talking garbage as Mexicans. South American Teams have accomplished just as much or even more in Copa America and the World Cup than Mexico has, hell, I don’t even see Brazilians and Argentines talk garbage as Mexicans do and of course like any team they celebrate when they win but they keep humble, they don’t go around degrading other countries or talking bull about whos better,And guess what if they wanted to they could cuz they r actually that good (Brazil&Arg), the FACTS are there.

So as for you people, I suggest you stop making assumptions and look at the FACTS, If Mexico is so good they woudlnt be tying and losing to these "less superior" teams. Open your eyes and get a reality check from your dream world, and hopefully Mexico won’t be eliminated by USA or even a lower level team again in this coming WC. :boo: :shocked:


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anyways IMO

mexico is a decent team

but mexicans think they are way better than they are based on freindlies and other stupid things

same as spain they never win anything but are so hyped by there own media

[Ronni]

There are many postings here I agree and disagree. I'll try to give my opinion on some


First of all, since the subject on this forum is about Mexico’s history, let me give you some facts about Mexico’s “accomplishments” in previous football events: ...

That's right. The name of the thread is "About Mexico's soccer history ..." and indeed if wee look at their records in 75 years tournament its nothing but miserable. And for a big country with a football crazy population it's astonishing ridiculous - I think there's no other underperformer in the world like Mexico.

But this doesn't change the thing you've been discussing the most here: if now Mexico is the third force in Latin America or not.
Considering the situation from 1980 back to 1930 I would say Mexico was never this third force. Perhaps even not the 6th or 7th. Besides Bra and Arg there were always at least a couple of south american teams that were more feared and that really performed better than Mexico.

But I would say this started changing in the 80's.
And the situation we have now is that Mexico has been performing better than the other "medium" south american teams consistently, and since this is spread on many World Cups, we can't talk about one "golden generation". It seems to be a trend, and most probably a trend for ever.

We can't forget nowadays we also talk about Colombia as one of the big forces in South America. 30 years ago they weren't. Now they are consistently one of the strong teams, even if there's nothing less from that wonderful Higuita / Valderrama / Asprilla / Rincon / etc generation.

Let's consider what Mexico did in the last World Cups.
Let's forget '86, as they were hosts. In my opinion they had still that "underdog" status during that tournament. They were the hosts and despite of that nobody was counting on them besides their own press. But this is normal.

In '90 they couldn't participate due to other problems that do not have anything to do with lack of football quality. They were banned for other reasons, it's not the case of discussion here.

In the years between '86 and '94 apparently a lot of things changed. Still Mexico was seen as underdogs, but they weren't performing that way any longer.
They got a very difficult group - with three europeans! - and got through. That was perhaps the craziest group a World Cup has ever seen, with all teams getting the same results. We shouldn't forget this group featured the future runners-up and always title candidate Italy, a quarter-finalist in '90 Ireland, and an incredibly strong Norway. If you don't remember, that norwegian team was the first in their qualifying group that had also Holland, England, Poland and Turkey! They were responsible for England not to qualify, since they won against them in Oslo and tied at Wembley (the same with Holland!). Ok, and Mexico could cope with this strong group.
They were eliminated on PK by a strong bulgarian team - we shouldn't forget Bulgaria had won against Argentina before, and after beating Mexico they would beat also the defending champions Germany!

In 1998 Mexico's WC was an incredible adventure. Anyone who followed that mexican team could be able to become their fan #1 after watching them. Again they got a very difficult group, with Holland, Belgium and South Korea. And they passed the phase unbeaten! The match against Holland was memorable. They came out from a 0:2 to a 2:2 in an incredible performance, watched by a crazy "oranje" crowd that filled the stadium. Against Belgium they had already tied after a 0:2 too. And then in the second phase, the Germans, like in '78 and '86. But this was a completely different situation. Mexico proved that the 0:6 was part of the past, and they were able to
overplay the european champions during the entire match! And anyone who remembers Gary Lineker's definition of football as "football is a game where 22 people run after a ball and at the end Germany wins" would see that this fits exactely this match. Mexico was the best team, but at the end the aztecas had to see un unhappy 1:2 on the score, and get back home.
At that time I was in France (though not in the stadium) and this was one of the matches everybody talked about.

In 2002 they consolidaded their status. Mexico are definately no underdogs any longer. They got in the group together with european runners-up Italy, the third on the previous WC Croatia and the 2nd in the South American qualifying Ecuador. And they dominated the group without problems, and they could even have signed the fate of Italy.

Mexico proved perhaps not yet to be top ten, but no other "medium" latin american team was able to do the same. Paraguay was the one that was perhaps closest to Mexico's achievements, but not really that high.

So let's see what these latin americans did in the last 3 World Cups. Since we all agree that Mexico's qualifying is easier than South American, let's just consider the position they got after the group phase, since the effects of the qualifying don't play any role.

Mexico: 13th, 13th and 11th
Paraguay: 14th and 16th
Chile: 16rh
Colombia: couldn't reach the first 16 in any
Uruguay: neither
Bolivia: neither
Ecuador: neither
Peru: wasn't present at all

So even if Mexico wasn't even once "top ten", they still were ALWAYS in front of ALL south american (except of course Bra and Arg).

With these evidences, how can we contest they're now the third force in Latin America?




As far as naturalized players go...we're not naturalizing them allright, they are choosing to naturalize themselves.Maybe their way of thanking a land that has brought them family and opportunity.And I dont know about the countries in South America but I do know that alot of other countries have naturlized players as well...the USA has several, European teams, Asian teams have them.We aint the only ones.
Well, I must say I imagine you don't believe it yourself!
These players are not being naturalized in order to "thank a land". They're being naturalized for other reasons - in order to be able to play in a NT (what they wouldn't get in their original nation), or to be one foreigner less so that they fit better the leagues rules or whatever.
There's no "opportunity" Mexico gave them. They weren't refugees. If Mexico didn't want them, there were plenty of other leagues with open doors for them. And if they weren't good football players, Mexico wouldn't have given them this "opportunity".
The only "opportunity" they had was to play for a NT and go to a World Cup - the dream of any football player. That's why they were naturalized.

Or do you think that if Zinha for example knew that he would ever have a place in the brazilian NT he would have played the first time for Mexico destroying his chances of playing in the selecao? No way. Before taking their decision they talk to their counseilors or sometimes even with the coach of their original country in order to see if they would ever have a chance.

In South America this already happened too. Some of you will remember the argentine goal-keeper naturalized peruvian that played in that 0:6 against Argentina in '78 ...

All teams that are able to naturalize players are trying to do this. It's their right. I just hope we don't have a WC 2022 or 2026 full of mercenaries, and a final "BRAZIL 4 with Bangladesh flag" against "ARGENTINA 3 with Monserrat flag".



I don’t have anything against Mexico or its people.
What I am against, is the mentality of people like UNAM guy, and believe me, there are many out there which is the reason I started posting in this forum Becuase u people talk crap having accomplished nothing. I don’t see Colombians, Paraguayans, Uruguayans etc, or any other team in South America and the world talking garbage as Mexicans.
South American Teams have accomplished just as much or even more in Copa America and the World Cup than Mexico has, hell, I don’t even see Brazilians and Argentines talk garbage as Mexicans do and of course like any team they celebrate when they win but they keep humble, they don’t go around degrading other countries or talking bull about whos better, And guess what if they wanted to they could cuz they r actually that good (Brazil&Arg), the FACTS are there.

Well, I agree that what I sometimes read in the mexican internet press and hear from mexicans in the forum or somewhere else is exaggerated. They really seem to think their team are much better than it really is.
But this is justified. As I said before, for the first time they're having the feeling of reaching the big ones - or at least that they left the underdogs role. And this is definately true. People react this way. But this has only to do with this new feeling. Sooner or later Mexico will have taken their deserved place and Mexicans will be satisfied with it.

Another good example of this behavior (though much stronger!) are the turks. For years they were absolutely nothing, and in the last 15 years they started seeing some success. Now they think are already reached the level of Brazil, Argentina, Italy, Germany, France, England etc.
But now we know they still have to struggle to be at the level of Switzerland.
Perhaps Turkey is the big "partner" of Mexico as examples of big nations with football fanatic people with a more than poor football history, finally getting to the place in the sun they deserve.
Sooner or later they'll get back to the ground. So no reason to complain about their behavior now. It's completely legitimate.



mexico is a decent team
but mexicans think they are way better than they are based on freindlies and other stupid things same as spain they never win anything but are so hyped by there own media

Well ... if we can't consider what teams do in friendlies, we don't consider tournaments like the Golden Cup (I don't!) or Copa America or Concacaf qualifying or any other one in order to take a judgement on the evolution of a team, we have to wait every 4 years to know if a team like Mexico is good
or not! And then they have 3 or 4 matches, and that's all? We already know if they are good?
What about Argentina in 2002? Were they that crap? Not really. We do have to consider what the teams do on friendlies and less important tournaments. We just have to consider all the variables appliable on these matches before to take conclusions only based on the results!
And if we consider only the World Cup, Mexico is even more than decent! Do you know which teams always arrived in front of Mexico in the final result? Only two: Brazil and Germany!

Regarding Spain ... in my opinion they are the biggest underperformers in big events there is.
And this is just a case of lack of statistical relevance of the few World Cups and Euros we have as sample.
Do you know how many teams got more points in the last 3 World Cups than Spain?
Only three: Brazil, Germany and Italy.
And still people say "they're hyped". If they're not allowed to consider they have good teams, who would?

Like for Mexico, for Spain it's a difficult thing. You can't say that they hype themselves just because they're not winning tournaments. Besides Greece, who have been winning tournaments in the last years? Actually only Brazil, France and Germany.

[ricoo9]

I think u guys need to read my previous post again but i'll put one of the main things here

Now let’s see Mexico’s recent History against South American Squads and others:

12-oct-2005 Mexico 1-2 T&T --Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico Lost to one of the weakest teams in this coming WC and yet Mexico should be able to beat Australia, Uruguay, and Venezuela??

3-sept-2005 Mexico 0 – 2 USA Qualifying match WC06
Mexico is so great and they are the third power in America yet they lost to USA by a difference of 2 goals even though they are 1, 2, 3 I don’t know how many steps ahead of every other team in America.

17-July-2005 Mexico 1-2 Colombia Gold Cup
Mexico’s “subs” lost to Colombia’s “C” team. If Mexico is so great they should be able to beat Colombia’s bench. Their bench should show superiority to Colombias.

27-mar-2005 Mexico 2-1 USA – Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico with that great home advantage in Azteca barely wins 2-1. If this was another cup Mexico would have been eliminated by the difference of goals, USA having 1 more to their advantage.

23-feb-2005 Mexico 1-1 Colombia Carlos González, Sinaloa, Mexico
Mexico ties in Mexico to Colombia 1-1.

26-jan-2005 Mexico 0 – 0 Sweden Petko Park, San Diego
Mexico ties to mediocre Sweden, played in San Diego, Mexico is the local team.

7-July-2004 Mexico 2-2 Uruguay Copa America
The powerhouse Mexico was not able to beat Uruguay in a real International tournament.

18-feb-2004 Mexico 1-1 Chile Home Depot Center de Carson, California
Again Mexico tied as the “local” team to a South American side.

15-Oct-2003 Mexico 0 – 2 Uruguay Soldier Field de Chicago
The “3rd” best team in America loses to Uruguay.

20-Aug-2003 Mexico 1- 3 Peru Giant Stadium, Nueva Jersey
“Great” Mexico with their full squad at the time were down 3-0 in the first half, didn’t score their lonely goal till the 2nd half.

6-july-2003 Mexico 1 -2 El Salvador
Mexico can’t even take care of concacaaf teams and you are saying Mexico 3rd best?

26-march-2003 Mexico 1-1 Paraguay Qualcomm de San Diego
Not even with Rafa Marquez and both teams playing full squad, was Mexico able to beat Paraguay in a place with the majority of the population being Mexican.


I think is great u guys tie to holland or italy or whoever else in the first round, the truth is u lost to USA 2 - nil when it really mattered, so at the end tying to italy or whoever else didnt matter. Of course I only mention recent negative results because if Mexico is so great those results shouldnt be there at all at lleast not that many, but There it is! by the way those results on top are era La Volpe, which means thats recent games which u guys have not been able to beat conmebol or even concacaaf teams. Any new discussions u guys might have i'm sure I already posted in my previous post OK eses? lol :D

[Ronni]

Of course I only mention recent negative results because if Mexico is so great those results shouldnt be there at all at lleast not that many, but There it is! by the way those results on top are era La Volpe, which means thats recent games which u guys have not been able to beat conmebol or even concacaaf teams. Any new discussions u guys might have i'm sure I already posted in my previous post OK eses? lol :D
So have a look on the following data:

Bolivia 1:1 Brazil - La Paz, 9th Oct 2005, WC qualifying
Croatia 1:1 Brazil - Split, 4th Sep 2005, friendly
Japan 2:2 Brazil - Cologne, 22nd Jun 2005 - Confed Cup
Mexico 1:0 Brazil - Hannover, 19th Jun 2005 - Confed Cup
Argentina 3:1 Brazil - Buenos Aires, 8th Jun 2005 - WC Qualifying
Uruguay 1:1 Brazil - Montevideo, 30th Mar 2005 - WC Qualifying
Ecuador 1:0 Brazil - Quito, 17th Nov 2004 - WC Qualifying
Brazil 0:0 Colombia - Maceio, 13th Oct 2004 - WC Qualifying
Brazil 1:1 Uruguay - Lima, 21st Jul 2004 - Copa America
Brazil 1:2 Paraguay - Arequipa, 14th Jul 2004 - Copa America

Sorry if it seems sarcastic, but according to your logic, it's impossible to say that Brazil is the best team around. "Of course I only mention recent negative results because if Brazil is so great those results shouldnt be there at all at lleast not that many, but There it is!"
Actually these results are so horrible and there are so many of them in just 2 years, that I would say this team couldn't even be considered in top 10 in the world. But would anyone discuss it?

I don't agree with your logic.

Tell me a south american team (not Bra Arg, of course) with a better recent record than Mexico.

[ricoo9]

So have a look on the following data:

Bolivia 1:1 Brazil - La Paz, 9th Oct 2005, WC qualifying
Croatia 1:1 Brazil - Split, 4th Sep 2005, friendly
Japan 2:2 Brazil - Cologne, 22nd Jun 2005 - Confed Cup
Mexico 1:0 Brazil - Hannover, 19th Jun 2005 - Confed Cup
Argentina 3:1 Brazil - Buenos Aires, 8th Jun 2005 - WC Qualifying
Uruguay 1:1 Brazil - Montevideo, 30th Mar 2005 - WC Qualifying
Ecuador 1:0 Brazil - Quito, 17th Nov 2004 - WC Qualifying
Brazil 0:0 Colombia - Maceio, 13th Oct 2004 - WC Qualifying
Brazil 1:1 Uruguay - Lima, 21st Jul 2004 - Copa America
Brazil 1:2 Paraguay - Arequipa, 14th Jul 2004 - Copa America

Sorry if it seems sarcastic, but according to your logic, it's impossible to say that Brazil is the best team around. "Of course I only mention recent negative results because if Brazil is so great those results shouldnt be there at all at lleast not that many, but There it is!"
Actually these results are so horrible and there are so many of them in just 2 years, that I would say this team couldn't even be considered in top 10 in the world. But would anyone discuss it?

I don't agree with your logic.

Tell me a south american team (not Bra Arg, of course) with a better recent record than Mexico.


U must be mexican huh? To compare brazil to mexico is a disgrace to futbol.
And my point exactly, u r using games Brazil has played against other conmebol teams and yet have not been able to win, yet mexico maybe won 1 and Mexico is considered 1 of the best? These teams have done the same if not better than Mexico has by winning Qualifying games, games with more importance, not by winning friendly cups like confederations in the first round, at the end mexicans had to watch brazil win the conf. cup anyway.
Thank you for putting more results from conmebol cuz that just provides more evidence that south american teams are just as good and even better than Mexico.

Recent games played by mexico prove that mexico is not superior to them as u have seen in the results I posted, Mexico reaches far in copa America but that would be a different story if every1 brought their A team and if they are 3rd best they should have been able to beat Colombia in the final because they are superior even with home advantage or whatever excuse u wanna put. I suggest u stop lying to urself and look at the facts. There is no proof of Mexico being 3rd or 4th or even 5th or 6,7,8 etc. If u think they are third than that is ur personal opinion but opinion without evidence is an unrationalized opinion, the proof is there! In my previous posts
comprende vato? :worried:

[PunkguyEG]

So have a look on the following data:

Bolivia 1:1 Brazil - La Paz, 9th Oct 2005, WC qualifying
Croatia 1:1 Brazil - Split, 4th Sep 2005, friendly
Japan 2:2 Brazil - Cologne, 22nd Jun 2005 - Confed Cup
Mexico 1:0 Brazil - Hannover, 19th Jun 2005 - Confed Cup
Argentina 3:1 Brazil - Buenos Aires, 8th Jun 2005 - WC Qualifying
Uruguay 1:1 Brazil - Montevideo, 30th Mar 2005 - WC Qualifying
Ecuador 1:0 Brazil - Quito, 17th Nov 2004 - WC Qualifying
Brazil 0:0 Colombia - Maceio, 13th Oct 2004 - WC Qualifying
Brazil 1:1 Uruguay - Lima, 21st Jul 2004 - Copa America
Brazil 1:2 Paraguay - Arequipa, 14th Jul 2004 - Copa America


DUDE RONNI, what is wrong with you? You are mentioning games brazil lost or tied against conmbebol teams. Brazil is the best team in the world, and the fact that conmebol teams tie or win againt them means there is alot of competition between south american teams. Obviously Brazil and argentina have better teams, but it is a very close competition we have in south america. On the other hand, Mexico loses to this sorry ass teams in concacaff. If they are so great they wouldnt lose at all.

you guys think you are better than anybody, but you guys lose all the time. And when you win against brazil, or tie against any other team make a big deal out of it. As you mention, Conmebol teams have won against brazil many times, and nothing happens.. But when mexico wins an important match, or not even as important, you guys have to talk shit for weeks:blabla:. It is incredible, ridiculous, ABSURD!!!! :boo:

I think you guys are not used to winning, that is why u guys make such a big deal when u win or tie or sumthing. But u know what? that is even worse, cuz when u guys stop dreaming and face reality, you guys are gonna suffer a great disappointment! FIASCO! which u guys diserve for talking to much garbage. :blabla: :blabla:
I don't really want to be disrespectful, but u guys don't understand. MExico is an OK team, maybe at the same level of other south american teams. But that's it. There is now way you guys are the 3rd best team in south america. That is just a ridiculous, silly, bizarre, unreasonable, nonsensical!!!!! claim. , You guys don't have the players, the capacity to be such a outstanding team as you gus claim to be.
:boo: :shocked:

[unam_mx]

If Mexico loses to the U.S. or T&T, they suck...if Brasil ties to Bolivia and loses to Ecuador, its because of the great 'parity' in South America.Its ridiculous how biased YOU guys are.The Conmebol can do no wrong and the Concacaf can do no right...if Mexico goes undefeated its cause of the weakness of the area, if they lose a few games its cause they suck and not cause of the 'parity'.Noone is saying Mexico is on the level of Brasil...its called making a point.If we used rico's logic then Brasil isnt as good as they are, "cause if theyre so great those results shouldnt be there".Its funny u guys think that logic is ridiculous when its put on Brasil, yet fits perfectly when u put it on Mexico--just shows the hatred u guys have towards Mexico.

And rico tell me this, why are u so quick to point out when South American teams use subs...yet give no though to the fact that in most of those poor results u found for us, Mexico had either subs or players that are not even on the NT anymore (Bofo, Palencia, Davino, Medina, Perez, etc.).You also feel that friendlies and "insignificant" tournaments shouldnt be taken into account, mostly to discredit what Mexico did in the Confederations Cup and in other tournaments....yet here u are posting friendlies like the ones against El Salvador and Bulgaria and making a big deal of it, all because Mexico lost those games.Again a double-standard that shows ur hatred towards Mexico.


I also love how a big deal is made of our "choke-jobs" in the WC...yet noone in S.A. but Brasil has gone farther then Mexico in the last few WCs.Some teams havent been to a world cup in who knows how long--those being Venezuela, Bolivia, and Peru.Some have missed 02' and will mis 06'--Colombia and Chile.Others like Uruguay (who will miss 06') and Ecuador havent been able to get out of the group stage.Paraguay has gotten just as far (2nd rd) and gotten eliminated there as well the last few times.Argentina didnt get past the group stage...why dont u guys make a big deal of this?For the record, since u guys cant see sarcasm even if it hit u in the face, I am not saying Mexico is better then Argentina.I am just making a point, that u guys have a double-standard that yall use against Mexico.Just imagine all the crap u guys would be saying if Mexico didnt get out of the group stage, but since its Argentina theres not even a word mentioning it.Give me ur 3rd power in the Americas and I'll show u their WC results which have been just as bad if not worse then Mexico's.I dont consider Mexico 3rd cause I feel they are a giant who are on Argentina's and Brasil's, I consider them third because besides the first two who else is there?Theyre not horrible but its a huge drop off from the first two.

I think it maybe insecurity or something, the rest of the world seems to be starting to give Mexico respect...acknowledging that they are becoming a strong team but South American seem hostile about it.There's nothing to fear, there's still a few decades before Mexico gets up there with the Big Boys.


Naturalized players:
'El Guille' Franco had been naturilized for a while already before he got called up, and he met his wife here and had his children here...u really had to hear the interview urself to understand, he seemed real sincere.He was really thankful for the things that Mexico has given him.Being part of the NT was just a bonus.


It doesnt make him Mexican, but it proves that we are not naturalizing them...they are choosing to naturlize themselves.And again, we are not the only ones doing this--basically teams from every continent have them.

[PunkguyEG]

If Mexico loses to the U.S. or T&T, they suck...if Brasil ties to Bolivia and loses to Ecuador, its because of the great 'parity' in South America. Its ridiculous how biased I was.The Conmebol can do no wrong and the Concacaf can do no right...if Mexico goes undefeated its cause of the weakness of the area, if they lose a few games its cause they suck and not cause of the parity.


Finally UNAM. I want to congratulate you. You finally show a lillte bit of inteligence and undestanding. However, i still think you gotta work some other points. keep it up! we support you!

:lol: :lol:

[unam_mx]

Finally UNAM. I want to congratulate you. You finally show a lillte bit of inteligence and undestanding. However, i still think you gotta work some other points. keep it up! we support you!

:lol: :lol:

Very smart...take out alittle section, make it seem something its not, and poke at it because u have no arguement for the rest.

Read the whole post idiot.

[ricoo9]

Naturalized players:
'El Guille' Franco had been naturilized for a while already before he got called up, and he met his wife here and had his children here...u really had to hear the interview urself to understand, he seemed real sincere.He was really thankful for the things that Mexico has given him.Being part of the NT was just a bonus.


It doesnt make him Mexican, but it proves that we are not naturalizing them...they are choosing to naturlize themselves.And again, we are not the only ones doing this--basically teams from every continent have them.


Wow, I almost cried! that was very heart warming... :lol:
OK thats very nice if he wants to naturalize himself mexican or haitan or zimbabwean for whatever his reason maybe but why is he playing in ur national team? he doesnt just wake up one day and go "hey i feel like playing for Mexico today!" :shocked: The reason he and the brasil guy are playing there is cuz ur players arent good enough :boo: and if i had to pick the two best players in mexicos national team it would probably be them! they show supieriority when they play compared to the mexican players. and sure Peru had a goaly in the 70's that was originally Argentine.....u r comparing a goalie to the 2 players that r the heart, the creators for ur team? u cant compare....the fact that they r the best players on ur team shows how much mexico sux




If Mexico loses to the U.S. or T&T, they suck...if Brasil ties to Bolivia and loses to Ecuador, its because of the great 'parity' in South America.Its ridiculous how biased YOU guys are.The Conmebol can do no wrong and the Concacaf can do no right...if Mexico goes undefeated its cause of the weakness of the area, if they lose a few games its cause they suck and not cause of the 'parity'.Noone is saying Mexico is on the level of Brasil...its called making a point.If we used rico's logic then Brasil isnt as good as they are, "cause if theyre so great those results shouldnt be there".Its funny u guys think that logic is ridiculous when its put on Brasil, yet fits perfectly when u put it on Mexico--just shows the hatred u guys have towards Mexico.


As you may know, Brasil is the best team in the world :shocked: not in asia or africa or europe but the actual entire world! so for these teams to tie and beat brasil as much as they have done lately in important games such as qualifying proves the "parity" there is in South AM., their not wining or tying to brasil in friendlies but actual important competition, So if ur telling me there is parity between mexico and T&T and other concacaaf teams then u r admittin that mexico sux. :sick: There is and always will be more competition in conmebol than concacaaf so anybody in the world could understand why sometimes brasil cannot beat these conmebol teams but to lose to T&T? theres no excuse for that. THe only excuse would be that u guys arent 3rd in america and that u guys sux :sick:
good luck against Dominica or whoever else ur playing! u probably will need it! :drum: :lol: :faint2: :D :ronaldo:

[unam_mx]

Wow, I almost cried! that was very heart warming... :lol:
OK thats very nice if he wants to naturalize himself mexican or haitan or zimbabwean for whatever his reason maybe but why is he playing in ur national team? he doesnt just wake up one day and go "hey i feel like playing for Mexico today!" :shocked: The reason he and the brasil guy are playing there is cuz ur players arent good enough :boo: and if i had to pick the two best players in mexicos national team it would probably be them! they show supieriority when they play compared to the mexican players. and sure Peru had a goaly in the 70's that was originally Argentine.....u r comparing a goalie to the 2 players that r the heart, the creators for ur team? u cant compare....the fact that they r the best players on ur team shows how much mexico sux

Oswaldo, Marquez, Salcido, Pardo, Borgetti, Jimmy, Torrado, Blanco....give me a break man, u think they are the two best players on the NT?!?Franco aint even a starter, Borgetti and Kikin are set as our strikers.And Zhina might have some trouble getting playing time if he doesnt pick up his form...especially if Blanco rejoins the team after settling his problems with Lavolpe.




As you may know, Brasil is the best team in the world :shocked: not in asia or africa or europe but the actual entire world! so for these teams to tie and beat brasil as much as they have done lately in important games such as qualifying proves the "parity" there is in South AM., their not wining or tying to brasil in friendlies but actual important competition, So if ur telling me there is parity between mexico and T&T and other concacaaf teams then u r admittin that mexico sux. :sick: There is and always will be more competition in conmebol than concacaaf so anybody in the world could understand why sometimes brasil cannot beat these conmebol teams but to lose to T&T? theres no excuse for that. THe only excuse would be that u guys arent 3rd in america and that u guys sux :sick:
good luck against Dominica or whoever else ur playing! u probably will need it! :lol: :faint2: :D :ronaldo: :drum:

It doesnt matter how u try to cover it up...ur still holding a double-standard.Dont u know that against T&T they had subs?Why dont u point that out like u do for South American teams when they lose?And why did u bring up that list of "shameful" defeats that Mexico had?According to you, arent friendlies and games from 'insignificant' tournaments meaningless?And even moreso if theyre with subs and players who are nowhere near the NT now?Which both apply to Mexico during that list.Double-standard.

Again, give me ur 3rd power and why they deserve to be above Mexico, and Ill prove otherwise.Here's my TOP 5:

Brasil
Argentina
Mexico
Paraguay
Colombia

[PunkguyEG]

Very smart...take out alittle section, make it seem something its not, and poke at it because u have no arguement for the rest.

Read the whole post idiot.


:lol: :lol: HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA:lol: :lol:
Listen you moron:


I couldn't stop laughing, i can't believe you got so mad. :lol: You think I wanna waste my time arguing with an idiot so close headed as you are? nah....:boo:
By the way, alll u've done is repet the same nonsense over and over u imbecil. you are so full of shit, it is unbelievable. I think you need to read this previous post (that rico and me wrote so u don't say i don't have arguments, hahahaha) a couple of thousand times more to see if you finally get it idiot.
ALso, the only reason u guys have gone a lilttle farther than other countries in south america is cuz u guys have been in almost every world cup cuz of the shitty teams you compete with. But that should be ashame for you, cuz i don't think any other team has tried that many times and never won ANYTHING!!!!, NOTHING!!!!, ZERO!!!!:boo: :boo:
In addition, i don'tt hate mexicans, as a matter of fact i have mexicans freinds, I hate people like you that talk to much shit for no reason. I didn;t want to be disrespectful, but u started it asshole.

here, like i said, read this a few times to see if you finally get it, we are tired of repeting the same thing over and over, so im just gonna paste it:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :boo: :boo: :boo:


First of all, since the subject on this forum is about Mexico’s history, let me give you some facts about Mexico’s “accomplishments” in previous football events:

Mexico’s History:
1- Uruguay 1930 – Mexico lost to France 4-1, Chile 3-0, and Argentina 6-3. Mexico didn’t past the first round. Mexico scored only 4 goals and received 13 goals.
2- 1934-1938 - Mexico lost to USA and didn’t qualify to those two world cups.
3- Brazil 1950 - Mexico was again humiliated by losing all the first three games. Only scored 2 goals and received 10.
4- Sweden 1954 – Lost again in the first round. This time was even more embarrassing by losing 5-0 to Brazil, and to France by 3-2.
5- Switzerland 1958 – Mexico didn’t past the first round again. Lost 4-0 to Hungary, 3-0 to Switzerland.
6- Chile 1962 – Mexico didn’t past the first round again by losing to Brazil and Spain.
7- England 1966 – Mexico got disqualified in the first round again.
8- Mexico 1970 – Mexico finally qualify to the second round by beating El Salvador, one of the easiest teams in the Concacaff. Mexico was for the first time in quarter finals, but lost to Italy 4-1 and got eliminated.
9- Germany 1974 – Mexico doesn’t qualify to the world cup and loses to Trinidad I Tobago by 4-0.
10- Argentina 1978 – Mexico lost to Tunisia 3-1, Germany 6-0, and Poland.
11- Spain 1982 – Mexico didn’t qualify to the world cup buy losing to El Salvador, and tying to Canada, Honduras, and Haiti. The only game they won was against Cuba 4-0.
12- Mexico 1986 – For Mexico to be able to play another World Cup after 16 years had to be the host again and made it to the quarter finals.
13- Italy 1990 – Mexico was not in there.
14- USA 1994 – For the first time in history, after many appearances, Mexico finally qualifies for the second phase in a WC that was not held in their own land. Unfortunately, Mexico was eliminated again by Bulgaria the next game.
15- France 1998 – Mexico Won only one game against South Korea, Tied 2, and lost one.
16- Korea 2002 – After hardly qualifying for this W.C, Mexico got eliminated by U.S.A


Ok. This is a brief history of México in the previous WC. Impressive ugh? Now, don’t tell me that this is history and whatever happened in the past does not matter. That is why we all go to school for, to learn about history and benefit for what other people have done in past so we can apply it nowadays. Can you imagine if we all forgot about history?
Don’t forget Uruguay have won the WC 2 times in the past, and still today have way better players than Mexico does. Forlan, which is the current top leading scorer of Spain, cant possibly be compared to Borgetti or Coatemoc Blanco. Not to mention that the whole team is practically individually better than Mexico. Or tell me that kikin Fonseca is better than Recoba. These players as many other South American players act in way more competitive leagues than Mexico’s league, which is where most of Mexico’s first team players perform.

If it is true that Mexico has ever won something it has been in Mexico. Playing against the same low to middle level teams from concacaf and sometimes another team from South America. Understand that it is easier for Mexico to bring their first team to any competition since 95% of the players play in Mexico while South American teams CANNOT do this. The reason is because most of their players perform in Europe and other countries, and in many occasions their teams don’t let them play for their national teams, especially for those competitions like the Gold cup which for me has no precedence.

The following are quotes I have taken from Ronny which I happen to agree with:
“Mexico history in the WC is miserable. No other team was defeated that often. In this point Mexico holds the record. But there's one reason: since for years they were the only real team in Central/North America, they could qualify easily and got equally easily beaten during the WC. We shouldn't forget that the first time in history an African team won a WC match happened when an African team was able to play Mexico ...”

“Mexico entered the best 8 in the WC only twice in the history: when they where the hosts.”

“Moreover in my opinion Mexico never had "the big squad" - a team that every other team on Earth would fear. Uruguay did, Colombia did, and Peru did.”

“Nowadays they (Mexico) still don't have one player who impresses me. Indeed, Peru has these two excellent Bayern Munich players, and also Farfan. “

“Indeed I never saw great Mexican players. Hugo Sanchez was for me one of many others. Peru, Uruguay and Colombia already had their "monsters". I would consider Hugo Sanchez on the level of Zamorano or Salas from Chile.”

“Indeed South American teams do not consider the Copa America that important”

“South American players are playing where the best football players in the world are”

“I'd rather not talk about a "Golden Cup" or whatever it's called. For me it has no statistical or historical value”


Face it, Mexico has been everybody’s bitch in the past and not until recent history has that changed a little.
Now let’s see Mexico’s recent History against South American Squads and others:

12-oct-2005 Mexico 1-2 T&T --Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico Lost to one of the weakest teams in this coming WC and yet Mexico should be able to beat Australia, Uruguay, and Venezuela??

3-sept-2005 Mexico 0 – 2 USA Qualifying match WC06
Mexico is so great and they are the third power in America yet they lost to USA by a difference of 2 goals even though they are 1, 2, 3 I don’t know how many steps ahead of every other team in America.

17-July-2005 Mexico 1-2 Colombia Gold Cup
Mexico’s “subs” lost to Colombia’s “C” team. If Mexico is so great they should be able to beat Colombia’s bench. Their bench should show superiority to Colombias.

27-mar-2005 Mexico 2-1 USA – Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico with that great home advantage in Azteca barely wins 2-1. If this was another cup Mexico would have been eliminated by the difference of goals, USA having 1 more to their advantage.

23-feb-2005 Mexico 1-1 Colombia Carlos González, Sinaloa, Mexico
Mexico ties in Mexico to Colombia 1-1.

26-jan-2005 Mexico 0 – 0 Sweden Petko Park, San Diego
Mexico ties to mediocre Sweden, played in San Diego, Mexico is the local team.

7-July-2004 Mexico 2-2 Uruguay Copa America
The powerhouse Mexico was not able to beat Uruguay in a real International tournament.

18-feb-2004 Mexico 1-1 Chile Home Depot Center de Carson, California
Again Mexico tied as the “local” team to a South American side.

15-Oct-2003 Mexico 0 – 2 Uruguay Soldier Field de Chicago
The “3rd” best team in America loses to Uruguay.

20-Aug-2003 Mexico 1- 3 Peru Giant Stadium, Nueva Jersey
“Great” Mexico with their full squad at the time were down 3-0 in the first half, didn’t score their lonely goal till the 2nd half.

6-july-2003 Mexico 1 -2 El Salvador
Mexico can’t even take care of concacaaf teams and you are saying Mexico 3rd best?

26-march-2003 Mexico 1-1 Paraguay Qualcomm de San Diego
Not even with Rafa Marquez and both teams playing full squad, was Mexico able to beat Paraguay in a place with the majority of the population being Mexican.

About the recent Confederations Cup :
“Winning freindlies and games in first round freindly tournaments that does not make a team great.
The point is that even though Mexico beat Brazil in first round, the players still had to sit at home and watch them win the cup.”

The few Mexican players that are playing abroad, which I can count with 1 hand like Borgetti is not even getting recognition, has he even scored a goal in Bolton? Compared to Forlan or Farfan top scorers for their leagues. He just as Blanco, cannot handle Higher level competition, If he is so great he would be scoring goals like crazy and would be recognized internationally. The most recognized player today in Mexico is Marquez and he is an expendable player, meaning he can be replaced anytime if Barca feels like it.

Mexico is so great yet they need to nationalize players from Brazil, Argentina? Why can’t you guys play with just Mexicans? Are they not good enough? South Am. Squads don’t do that. Tell me when was the last time Colombia, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, or any other south American team nationalized players to play for them? Pathetic!!!

Mexico lost to many of the low level concacaf teams in many recent occasions playing official games trying to qualify for the 2002 WC in Korea. They lost to USA, Honduras, and tied with T & T. They even lost in the Azteca against Costa Rica. Now, tell me that Mexico deserves to be 3rd place in America.

I’ve had enough of “ASSUMPTIONS” and FALSE claims from you guys, so I am showing FACTS which prove that not only has Mexico won nothing important but hasn’t proved to be the third power in America, so how can Mexicans say they are better than Australia or Uruguay? My personal opinion on Mexico is that they are neither great nor sorry; they are just about the level of other South American squads but not better.

I think this is enough scores & stats of Mexico’s recent games, if you guys would like though I can show more. According to these scores and statistics NO MEXICAN can say they are the 3rd or even 4th or 5th place team in America, what you guys have to do is just not say anything at all and wait for the WC to see the results. I don’t want to hear anything about U-17 or that Mexico has a great future because we are talking about NOW, the present, and what has happened in the past, not future. If we talk about future then I can say most teams have a great future, it is an assumption. “U-17 teams hardly ever become adult teams, if this isn't the case even for U-21 teams.”

I don’t have anything against Mexico or its people. What I am against, is the mentality of people like UNAM guy, and believe me, there are many out there which is the reason I started posting in this forum Becuase u people talk crap having accomplished nothing. I don’t see Colombians, Paraguayans, Uruguayans etc, or any other team in South America and the world talking garbage as Mexicans. South American Teams have accomplished just as much or even more in Copa America and the World Cup than Mexico has, hell, I don’t even see Brazilians and Argentines talk garbage as Mexicans do and of course like any team they celebrate when they win but they keep humble, they don’t go around degrading other countries or talking bull about whos better,And guess what if they wanted to they could cuz they r actually that good (Brazil&Arg), the FACTS are there.

So as for you people, I suggest you stop making assumptions and look at the FACTS, If Mexico is so good they woudlnt be tying and losing to these "less superior" teams. Open your eyes and get a reality check from your dream world, and hopefully Mexico won’t be eliminated by USA or even a lower level team again in this coming WC. :lol: :lol: :lol: :boo: :boo: :boo: :shocked:

[unam_mx]

Yes, the title is about Mexico's history but what we have been discussing is who comes after Brasil and Argentina at this moment not historically speaking (which would be Uruguay who didnt even qualify for the WC)...I know that Mexico was crap and up until the 90s didnt improve much, I aint arguing about that--u guys are arguing with urselves when it comes to that, cause noone is saying nothing about how good Mexico was in the 30s-80s.

You too, go ahead and tell me who ur 3rd team is behind Argentina and Brasil?

[ricoo9]

if anything i can tell u the worst teams in SO.AMer. which r ecuador and bolivia, they are the weakest teams. After that it is pretty much even, I wouldnt really know how to tell who is better than who, there r too many details to count on each team but all i know is mexico is not 3rd :closed:

[Ronni]

I have no energy to answer the postings that were answering to my last one.
Sorry, Rico9 and PunktguyEG, but I think you didn't read my posting really - I imagine you are intelligent enough to understand what I said there. I just think you analyzed it "is it supporting my argument or not?" - so seeing that it was against your argument, you contradicted it.

I'm not mexican and I don't care. And believe me, I support any south american playing against Mexico. However I don't see any team in South America in the last 10 years that I would say they are the 3rd in Latin America, before Mexico.
You guys don't consider friendlies or other "small" competitions, so just consider the last 3 editions of the World Cup. Mexico wasn't brilliant, but still you won't find 10 teams in the world having a better record than Mexico. I don't even consider Mexico unquestionably top 10 in the world - in my opinion they are swinging somewhere between 10 and 20.

Mexico isn't a "big gun", and I don't think it will ever happen in my life time.
I never said this, as I also never said Mexico has good all-time records in the WC. And I don't discuss with anyone who says Brazil is historically the best football nation in the world, and their current team has that place too. And believe me, this doesn't disturb me at all. I'm a big Brazil NT fan, and I never denied this in any thread.

My assertives regarding Mexico concerns the comparison to other South American forces in the last decade.
Nobody mentioned any single south american team that should occupy this "3rd place" instead of Mexico. If there is more than one, give me 3 or 4,
I don't care.
Well, you don't have to tell me anything. I don't want to discuss this point any longer - my postings seem to be misunderstood in this thread when they don't fit some positions, and in this case my opinion is considered biased. So I feel I have no voice. Bye.

[unam_mx]

if anything i can tell u the worst teams in SO.AMer. which r ecuador and bolivia, they are the weakest teams. After that it is pretty much even, I wouldnt really know how to tell who is better than who, there r too many details to count on each team but all i know is mexico is not 3rd :closed:

You know Mexico isnt 3rd...yet u dont know who occupies that?Ok, I'll make it simpler for u--other then Brasil and Argentina who is better then Mexico?

I think this is just a cop-out.You dont want to say who, cause u know there isnt one...say it and I'll do some research like u did and find equally as bad if it not worse results for them, be it in the world cup or friendlies or tournaments.The facts will prove u wrong, that despite Mexico's "crappy" world cup performances and losses in friendlies and tournaments...your 3rd power is even worse.So again I tell u, give me someone else besides the obvious two who is better then Mexico?

[ricoo9]

I think u need to read what i said in my last post again.... anyway I think the only way we would really find out how bad mexico is, is if 1 day they hold a copa america with all the starting lineups and we would see how quick mexico would get eliminated but since that Cup wont happen just read mine and punkguys previous posts and read it many times ! till u finally understand what were tryin to say

[Ese_Guy]

my parents r Italian and peruvian but i was born here so i'm american :smoking:
So what's your countries soccer history?
Which do you follow or care about?

[ricoo9]

So what's your countries soccer history?
Which do you follow or care about?

Italy, Peru, and USA :rockon:

[unam_mx]

Hey big guy, in case u havent noticed all teams take their first teams to the World Cup including ur beloved South Americans...and for the last few WCs noone can say that theyve had more success there then Mexico, except for Brasil and Argentina.

Stop ur weak cop-outs, and name every team in the Americas that is better then Mexico.

[ricoo9]

Hey big guy, in case u havent noticed all teams take their first teams to the World Cup including ur beloved South Americans...and for the last few WCs noone can say that theyve had more success there then Mexico, except for Brasil and Argentina.

Stop ur weak cop-outs, and name every team in the Americas that is better then Mexico.

UGGHH.....ok well since u insisted, reality might seem a little harsh to u but im only gonna tell u the truth, no exagerations...

I'm gonna compare 1 team to Mexicos even though I can name alot more teams :

URUGUAY-
Fabián Carini;
Carlos Diogo, Diego Lugano, Paolo Montero, Darío Rodríguez;
Gustavo Varela, Pablo García; Alvaro Recoba, Marcelo Zalayeta
Diego Forlán y Chevanton

Carini- 25yrs and loads of experience, better than wheres waldo
Forlan- leading scorer of Spanish League ahead of Eto'o, ronaldo, etc..
Chevanton- way better than any mexican player
Zalayeta-plays for Juventus, I dont see borgetti playing there or any mexican
Garcia-Starter for Real Madrid, benched graveson.... marquez watch out!
Diogo- another Real Madrid player
Alvaro Recoba - INter, way better than any mexican striker
Montero-has alot of experience and plays for the big teams

If u compare the rest r still better than any Mexican player out there.
And dont say Oh but Urugay didnt qualify, cuz remember who Mexico had to beat to qualify and who Urugay had. :D
Like I said before, if mexicos side would play any S.A. team without bench players Mexico would lose, who knows it might be a tough game but i'm sure Mexico would lose :lalala:

oH and I forgott, their all national players, theres no Brazilian or Argentinan in urugay or any of those teams HA :clap2:
p.s. I'm gonna pray Mexico plays Australia in WC first round

[Ese_Guy]

I didn't read all the posts.
It's obvious from the beginning though that ricoo9 is anti-Mexican.
He's so anti-Mexican that it consumes him.

Personally I don't care, let him suffer.

[ricoo9]

I didn't read all the posts.
It's obvious from the beginning though that ricoo9 is anti-Mexican.
He's so anti-Mexican that it consumes him.

Personally I don't care, let him suffer.


ESE ur wrong, I dont hate mexico, I've even been there twice but i dont like ppl talking shit

[Ese_Guy]

As far as I can tell, most people support their country's NT as much as possible. So it isn't just Mexicans talking - everyone around the world does it.

This thread is about Mexican soccer history; not a bash Mexico thread.

[RafaDinho]

:lol: :lol: HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA:lol: :lol:
Listen you moron:


I couldn't stop laughing, i can't believe you got so mad. :lol: You think I wanna waste my time arguing with an idiot so close headed as you are? nah....:boo:
By the way, alll u've done is repet the same nonsense over and over u imbecil. you are so full of shit, it is unbelievable. I think you need to read this previous post (that rico and me wrote so u don't say i don't have arguments, hahahaha) a couple of thousand times more to see if you finally get it idiot.
ALso, the only reason u guys have gone a lilttle farther than other countries in south america is cuz u guys have been in almost every world cup cuz of the shitty teams you compete with. But that should be ashame for you, cuz i don't think any other team has tried that many times and never won ANYTHING!!!!, NOTHING!!!!, ZERO!!!!:boo: :boo:
In addition, i don'tt hate mexicans, as a matter of fact i have mexicans freinds, I hate people like you that talk to much shit for no reason. I didn;t want to be disrespectful, but u started it asshole.

here, like i said, read this a few times to see if you finally get it, we are tired of repeting the same thing over and over, so im just gonna paste it:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :boo: :boo: :boo:

You know, that name suits you fine. Nice use of ALL animations supplied by SFN. It sort of helps you on your lack of written communication. "Imbecil", "hahahaha", "shitty", "asshole", nice choice of words! (Who's being disrespectful?) I think you and ricoo9 need to stop sucking each other's dick and stop bashing on us "poor non-worthy mexicans". Why DO you waste your time with us? We never started shit, if any, it was the Mexico bashing by you haters that got me to post on this thread. And yes, I do know that the topic is Mexico's History. But in case you haven't noticed, the topic has changed to what it is now. Maybe all the "cute" animations have been distracting you?

According to you, "the only reason u guys have gone a little farther than other countries in south america is cuz u guys have been in almost every world cup cuz of the shitty teams you compete with." Huh? So how many more shitty excuses do you have? It's amazing! (Tell me, what animation would you have used here?).

Where are you from? You are like that ricoo9 chick that talks crap about Mexico and have nothing on us when it comes down to your respective NT. Ricoo9 is all up Uruguays ass, yet he's Peruvian. What the ***k? Why are you praying for Australia to play us in the first round? Why don't you pray instead for the Peruvian NT to make it for the next WC!

As far as nationalized players, I'm completely against it. And don't say that they are the best players in the team either because they are not. That's just plain stupid to assume they are better because they are South American.

Hey Punkguy... how about this? :lalala:

or should I have used this? :lol: :redeyes: :shocked: :p :yuck: :boo:

[ricoo9]

Where are you from? You are like that ricoo9 chick that talks crap about Mexico and have nothing on us when it comes down to your respective NT. Ricoo9 is all up Uruguays ass, yet he's Peruvian. What the ***k? Why are you praying for Australia to play us in the first round? Why don't you pray instead for the Peruvian NT to make it for the next WC!
As far as nationalized players, I'm completely against it. And don't say that they are the best players in the team either because they are not. That's just plain stupid to assume they are better because they are South American.
:cry:

HAHA u know whats so funny.....I'm not even really peruvian but if i wanted to I can throw the 3-1 against MExico last game played or Copa america 2001 PERU 1-0 Mexico.... and like i said I'm American and we've been kickin ur arse and I'm not even gonna compare Mexico to Italy cuz that would just be a disgrace........SO SO SORRY for hurting ur feeling RAfadinho, I guess the truth hurts a little too much HUH? :Peace:
The truth is Mexico dont got nothing on anyone.........u guys should stick to making tacos, atleast ur good at that! leave the futbol for the real futbol playing countries :lol: :D

[RafaDinho]

:cry:

HAHA u know whats so funny.....I'm not even really peruvian but if i wanted to I can throw the 3-1 against MExico last game played or Copa america 2001 PERU 1-0 Mexico.... and like i said I'm American and we've been kickin ur arse and I'm not even gonna compare Mexico to Italy cuz that would just be a disgrace........SO SO SORRY for hurting ur feeling RAfadinho, I guess the truth hurts a little too much HUH? :Peace:
The truth is Mexico dont got nothing on anyone.........u guys should stick to making tacos, atleast ur good at that! leave the futbol for the real futbol playing countries :lol: :D

You are desperate. In your mind you're soooo hoping to hurt someone's feelings to claim victory cuz you have nothing on us. I can imagine the big smile on your face as you hit "enter" to send your last post. "Yes! I hurt his feelings! I won!" Sigh. I do know what is funny, IT'S YOU!

Talk about Identity crisis. So now you're NOT Peruvian?.. hmm. Like I told you the best thing going on for you, "futbolisticamente hablando", is being, as you claim, part Italian. "Futbolisticamente hablando" because Italians are assholes as a people. You know something, in that case i'm going to claim i'm from a country that's good in soccer, so now i'm Brazilian! YEA! But wait a minute, I was born in the US to mexican parents! So that makes me...

I wonder if you conveniently change nationalities when it comes to other subjects. Yes, I think you do. And didn't we eliminate Peru in the Colombia Copa America? But you're not Peruvian anymore and don't care anymore, DAMN!! Too late! But why the change of heart? Is it cuz we are above Peru? So now you're going to stick to your "strong" heritage?

What a racist stereotypical comment about us sticking to making tacos. And you still claim you are not a mexican hater. It is amusing that you think you have my feelings hurt when in actuality you're the one that has been getting all worked up since, well, forever! None of us mexicans have made any racist comments like yours and yet, we are the ones that are talking shit?

You are funny, entertaining and amusing! That is why I keep coming back! Keep it up dude.

[PunkguyEG]

"Stop bashing on us poor non-worthy mexicans. Why DO you waste your time with us? We never started shit, if any, it was the Mexico bashing by you haters that got me to post on this thread"

You know what? You are right; I shouldn't be wasting my time with poor non-worthy piece of shit Mexicans like you. You are never going to understand that your miserable level of futbol is never going to improve to a level of being a futbol power.

Ricoo9 and I have already said too much and you guys are never going to get it. You should be ashamed of your soccer history, and learn to recognize talent where there really is. Stop comparing your sorry Mexican team with the great powers of futbol, because you guys never were, are not, and never will be a futbol leader. Go back and play Dominica, Cuba, and El Salvador, because those are the only teams you are worthy of saying you are better. Costa Rica beat Mexico in the Azteca, so I’m not sure you guys are better than them anymore. Any USA whooped you ass in recent games.

Ricoo9 and I are not the only ones who think this way about your MEXICAN TEAM. There are many people out there that agree that you guys are just too arrogant and ignorant for talking nonsense bullshit. You should stop and ask yourself why people think that way. Maybe it is because you guys haven’t really accomplished anything; nevertheless, you think you are better than everybody else. Mexico needs to prove you guys deserve to be recognized as one of the best teams in the world. So far they haven’t, but you guys keep talking shit all the time. :blabla: That's all you know how to do. :blah:

So keep finding excuses for your poor performances, and keep thinking you are the best in the world. Keep bringing your full team to Copa America, and keep thinking you are going to be the champions. Keep bragging and talking bullshit about your “great accomplishments” such as the gold cup. Keep dreaming you are such a wonderful power!

And most important of all, keep thinking you are at the same level or better than other real powerful teams. At the end, like it always happens, you are just going to KEEP LOOKING AS FOOLS AND LOSERS TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.

:boo:

[Ese_Guy]

So you signed on for this stupidity also punkguy?
You and rico need to get a life.

Seems like both of you get punked in real life by Mexicans all the time - this is the only place you can vent. It's ok, keep your chin up you'll be fine; it'll all pass.

[ricoo9]

Talk about Identity crisis. So now you're NOT Peruvian?.. hmm. Like I told you the best thing going on for you, "futbolisticamente hablando", is being, as you claim, part Italian. "Futbolisticamente hablando" because Italians are assholes as a people. You know something, in that case i'm going to claim i'm from a country that's good in soccer, so now i'm Brazilian! YEA! But wait a minute, I was born in the US to mexican parents! So that makes me...



Well if u learned how to read u could see the post saying i'm American with italian/peruvian background...and gues what i'm not the 1 saying Peru is the best or ITaly is The best, I dont talk shit like u mexicans do....I'm glad ur so pissed cuz we made u realize that ur team sux :sick: and the fact that u dont know crap about conmebol and say that mexico is 3rd just shows ur ignorance



And didn't we eliminate Peru in the Colombia Copa America?

Obvisously ur more ignorant than I thought...... Mexico lost 1-0 to peru in the colombia copa america.........but anyways keep dreaming....i dont have to change nationalities cuz peru has proved to be better than mexico by kickin their ass in the last game 3-1 in front of all ur mexicans :shocked: Face it any nationality I support is better than Mexicgay.! :lol:

andale andale ariba ariba :drum:

[PunkguyEG]

So you signed on for this stupidity also punkguy?
You and rico need to get a life.

Seems like both of you get punked in real life by Mexicans all the time - this is the only place you can vent. It's ok, keep your chin up you'll be fine; it'll all pass.


What are you talking baout about man?, All my opinions are about Futbol, and the fact that mexico sucks. You are such a loser man. Do you have any arguments about soccer besides saying stupid shit?, you are such a fool.
Go join another forum besides futbol. Maybe you can talk about homesexuality in mexico or sumthing. IDIOT! :lol:

[unam_mx]

Im going to assume u know what Im talking about since u live in the USA rico...a couple of years ago in the NBA, the Lakers went out and got two free-agents that were on their way to the Hall of Fame.They were Gary Payton and Karl Malone, they were going to join two other sure Hall of Famers...Kobe and Shaq.They were supposed to break the wins records, be damn near unbeatable, destroy the league and win the title--none of which happened.They struggled in the regular season and only got the 4th seed in the West and in the Finals got beat by a Detroit team who had NO stars...it was just a solid team that played the right way.They didnt just get beat, they got embarrased and lost the series four games to one.

My point being...I dont care how many 'stars' Uruguay has, if they cant play well together it doesnt mean nothing.The names dont make a great team, they have to show it on the field.The fact that they lost to Australia shows how strong they really are...Australia is weak man.They got killed in the Confederations Cup, they hadnt accomplished absolutely nothing since the last time they qualified to the WC (40 yrs ago), and theyre a rugby country who doesnt give much importance to soccer.For Uruguay to lose to them is just pathetic...it shows how much that historic team has declined, how they are no longer a superpower.Look at their recent WC performances as well, not on par with the 'lowly' Mexicans--despite our choke-jobs we still did better then them.

Next candidate...

[RafaDinho]

You know what? You are right; I shouldn't be wasting my time with poor non-worthy piece of shit Mexicans like you. You are never going to understand that your miserable level of futbol is never going to improve to a level of being a futbol power.

Ricoo9 and I have already said too much and you guys are never going to get it. You should be ashamed of your soccer history, and learn to recognize talent where there really is. Stop comparing your sorry Mexican team with the great powers of futbol, because you guys never were, are not, and never will be a futbol leader. Go back and play Dominica, Cuba, and El Salvador, because those are the only teams you are worthy of saying you are better. Costa Rica beat Mexico in the Azteca, so I’m not sure you guys are better than them anymore. Any USA whooped you ass in recent games.

Ricoo9 and I are not the only ones who think this way about your MEXICAN TEAM. There are many people out there that agree that you guys are just too arrogant and ignorant for talking nonsense bullshit. You should stop and ask yourself why people think that way. Maybe it is because you guys haven’t really accomplished anything; nevertheless, you think you are better than everybody else. Mexico needs to prove you guys deserve to be recognized as one of the best teams in the world. So far they haven’t, but you guys keep talking shit all the time. :blabla: That's all you know how to do. :blah:

So keep finding excuses for your poor performances, and keep thinking you are the best in the world. Keep bringing your full team to Copa America, and keep thinking you are going to be the champions. Keep bragging and talking bullshit about your “great accomplishments” such as the gold cup. Keep dreaming you are such a wonderful power!

And most important of all, keep thinking you are at the same level or better than other real powerful teams. At the end, like it always happens, you are just going to KEEP LOOKING AS FOOLS AND LOSERS TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.

:boo:


ooooohhhhhhh.... ricoo9 and I.... sooo touching. Ricoo9 and Punkguy sitting on a tree...

Dude, sorry if my life-altering comments affected your psyche to a level of never being able to suck ricoo9's dick again. Didn't mean to wake you two from your "love nest" and get soooo mad. Go back to whatever it was you were doing. And good job in not using ALL the god-damned animations this time around. Was it hard to resist? I bet not as hard to resist coming back to this thread and bash on Mexico again. Stop being such a, um... punk. And you still keep coming back even though you keep saying we are not worth it!

Tell me something, when have I compared Mexico to the "great powers" as you say? And why are you sooo mad? In the meantime, you are a great subject for a psychological behavior experiment. "Kids, meet the geek that gets mad, in fact rages, about meaningless posts and feels the need to prove his hate toward Mexicans. What do you think is the cause of this?"


:drum:


Thank you very much... piece of shit, OUT! :lol:

[RafaDinho]

Well if u learned how to read u could see the post saying i'm American with italian/peruvian background...and gues what i'm not the 1 saying Peru is the best or ITaly is The best, I dont talk shit like u mexicans do....I'm glad ur so pissed cuz we made u realize that ur team sux :sick: and the fact that u dont know crap about conmebol and say that mexico is 3rd just shows ur ignorance



Obvisously ur more ignorant than I thought...... Mexico lost 1-0 to peru in the colombia copa america.........but anyways keep dreaming....i dont have to change nationalities cuz peru has proved to be better than mexico by kickin their ass in the last game 3-1 in front of all ur mexicans :shocked: Face it any nationality I support is better than Mexicgay.! :lol:

andale andale ariba ariba :drum:

Good to know that you have your heritage in check. :rolleyes:

I'm not the pissed one, it's your boyfriend Punkguy that's raging with a stupor. I think it's because your ass isn't as tight as it used to be and that your dicksucking is getting, um, sloppy. :smoking:

I haven't been talking shit until recently. I would go on and point out again and again that I have never said mexico to be the best. Just better than most S.A. teams.... I won't bore you though, you have a dick to mount.

:drum:

I'm on a roll... :lol:

[PunkguyEG]

ooooohhhhhhh.... ricoo9 and I.... sooo touching. Ricoo9 and Punkguy sitting on a tree...

Dude, sorry if my life-altering comments affected your psyche to a level of never being able to suck ricoo9's dick again. Didn't mean to wake you two from your "love nest" and get soooo mad. Go back to whatever it was you were doing. And good job in not using ALL the god-damned animations this time around. Was it hard to resist? I bet not as hard to resist coming back to this thread and bash on Mexico again. Stop being such a, um... punk. And you still keep coming back even though you keep saying we are not worth it!

Excuse me, who is the kid? what a loser you are. Do you have anything better to say besides acting stupid? again, I think this site is about soccer. If you want to disccus anything else besides futbol, you can go to el show de cristina or sumthing and discuss your sexual preferences.
:lol:

[RafaDinho]

Excuse me, who is the kid? what a loser you are. Do you have anything better to say besides acting stupid? again, I think this site is about soccer. If you want to disccus anything else besides futbol, you can go to el show de cristina or sumthing and discuss your sexual preferences.
:lol:

Am I reading correctly or am I seeing things?... "Excuse me..."...??? So now you're trying to act as if you have manners? You're good! First you post childish comments with bombardments of animations and comments like: "hahahaha", "loooooser", "sux", "piece of shit mexicans" and the likes. And now you're asking me to have more class? To stop acting like a kid? You know what, you are right, my bad. I thought stooping down to your level (waaaay doooown theeere!) would help you understand me better. And why "El Show de Christina"? Are you assuming it also is not at the level of South American talk shows? Dude, you could've said Jerry Springer but Christina? Are you aware she's not mexican and that you're bashing on her without reason? You're stupid to even keep answering my post.

Sexual preferences. Hey, you're the one sucking ricoo9's dick, not me.

As far as the topic at hand, I think it's over. I'm just gonna have a little fun with both of you little bitches!!!

[PunkguyEG]

Am I reading correctly or am I seeing things?... "Excuse me..."...??? So now you're trying to act as if you have manners? You're good! First you post childish comments with bombardments of animations and comments like: "hahahaha", "loooooser", "sux", "piece of shit mexicans" and the likes. And now you're asking me to have more class? To stop acting like a kid? You know what, you are right, my bad. I thought stooping down to your level (waaaay doooown theeere!) would help you understand me better. And why "El Show de Christina"? Are you assuming it also is not at the level of South American talk shows? Dude, you could've said Jerry Springer but Christina? Are you aware she's not mexican and that you're bashing on her without reason? You're stupid to even keep answering my post.

Sexual preferences. Hey, you're the one sucking ricoo9's dick, not me.

As far as the topic at hand, I think it's over. I'm just gonna have a little fun with both of you little bitches!!!


hahaha there you go again!... keep going it is funny..
:lol: :lol:

[ricoo9]

Rafagay why dont u go suck on a big fat chalupa u ***kkin bean eating Mustache wearing short ass mother***kker. If u like MExico so bad go back to the cave were u used to live in Indian befor I call "la migra" on ur ass. This forum is for soccer, not for clowns like u. If u say I like acting childish u should look at urself...nobody has insulted u before but if u wanna talk shit i will too.

p.s. Say hi to ur mother LA India Maria.. :lol:

[RafaDinho]

Rafagay why dont u go suck on a big fat chalupa u ***kkin bean eating Mustache wearing short ass mother***kker. If u like MExico so bad go back to the cave were u used to live in Indian befor I call "la migra" on ur ass. This forum is for soccer, not for clowns like u. If u say I like acting childish u should look at urself...nobody has insulted u before but if u wanna talk shit i will too.

p.s. Say hi to ur mother LA India Maria.. :lol:


You guys are easier than your mothers. :lol:

[RafaDinho]

hahaha there you go again!... keep going it is funny..
:lol: :lol:


Exactly my point. You... have... nothing... on... me... except for your mother!

:drum:

What's the matter? "ain't" got any comeback lines? Am I bringing you traumatizing memories when Mexican "bandidos" butt-***ked you and ricoo9 crossing through mexico to get here? Stop waiting for their phone call! They're not calling you back as they promised you! You should know better from us piece of shit mexicans!

***k soccer! Like I said, I'm just going to have fun at your little bitch-ass expense. So I suggest you bring it...

Don't be mad. Cuz you know you are!!! AND WHY ARE YOU STILL REPLYING IF WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!!!!!!!

:lol:

[RafaDinho]

...nobody has insulted u before but if u wanna talk shit i will too.

You are right. Nobody has insulted. At least I don't feel insulted by stupid and meaningless posts like you guys.

The following animation is you guys reacting to my stupid posts: :yell:

Ask your boyfriend Punkguy to stop licking your shithole for a minute and have him check it out. I believe he'll find it "cute and amusing" as he is fond of these stupid cartoons.

And I beg you to bring it on. But I think you used all that you had on your last post. Nothing original though. That "la migra bit" is a little too cliché. So try something original next time, if you actually have anything.

peace out bitches!!! :amen:

[ricoo9]

rafaINDIO , WHy dont u go trim ur mustache so u can eat ur Mexican boyfriends out better u ***kin turd and if ur still hungry u can always do like they do in Mexico and eat the rats ;) u think u getting started.... U havent seen anything :kiss:

[RafaDinho]

rafaINDIO , WHy dont u go trim ur mustache so u can eat ur Mexican boyfriends out better u ***kin turd and if ur still hungry u can always do like they do in Mexico and eat the rats ;) u think u getting started.... U havent seen anything :kiss:

That wasn't bad. Thanks for the tip on the mustache. I bet it helps you suck Punkguy's dick better. Was it his suggestion or was it your concern to bring him full pleasure?

:drum:

I had no idea that rats were eaten in good ol' Mexico! Was it on one of your trips to Mexico that you got duped into eating rats? If so, then you got ***ked over! :lol:

You are no match, dude. Stop patting yourself on the back, you have nothing. I'm still waiting for you to bring it... Your mother says hi.

[PunkguyEG]

You are right. Nobody has insulted. At least I don't feel insulted by stupid and meaningless posts like you guys.

The following animation is you guys reacting to my stupid posts: :yell:

Ask your boyfriend Punkguy to stop licking your shithole for a minute and have him check it out. I believe he'll find it "cute and amusing" as he is fond of these stupid cartoons.

And I beg you to bring it on. But I think you used all that you had on your last post. Nothing original though. That "la migra bit" is a little too cliché. So try something original next time, if you actually have anything.

peace out bitches!!! :amen:



hahahaha are you sure thats me??? hahahahah :lol: . I think it is the other way around, im just laughing at how stupid u look ttrying to be smarter... what an idiot you are...this is you man :yell: ....
GOOD JOB!!!, keep going!

[RafaDinho]

hahahaha are you sure thats me??? hahahahah :lol: . I think it is the other way around, im just laughing at how stupid u look ttrying to be smarter... what an idiot you are...this is you man :yell: ....
GOOD JOB!!!, keep going!

Although I'm not trying to look it I believe I am being smarter cuz I have you bitches doing what I want. The only idiots here are you two homos. If you consider my insults as an attempt of "trying to be smarter" then I believe you're the stupid one.

Question (another cheap attempt to "sound smarter"): How do you two "lovebirds" (ricoo9) find the time to reply to this poor piece of shit non-worthy mexican? Doesn't it affect your sex life? Rim-on cowboy!

Stop trying to cover the fact that you're steaming mad cuz u can't shut me up. And you never will shut me up.

Bring it!... I dare you... BIAAATCH! :amen:

[ricoo9]

U make me laugh.... I think the only 1 pissed here is u cuz when u got here they told u it isnt right to eat rats....bumer huh? and all the cave writing u did in ur mexican home went to waste cuz u came here. Your the 1 that doesnt stop writing, U know mexico sux so u got nothin left but insults hahaha keep it up! good job!! :D :kiss:

[PunkguyEG]

Although I'm not trying to look it I believe I am being smarter cuz I have you bitches doing what I want. The only idiots here are you two homos. If you consider my insults as an attempt of "trying to be smarter" then I believe you're the stupid one.

Question (another cheap attempt to "sound smarter"): How do you two "lovebirds" (ricoo9) find the time to reply to this poor piece of shit non-worthy mexican? Doesn't it affect your sex life? Rim-on cowboy!

Stop trying to cover the fact that you're steaming mad cuz u can't shut me up. And you never will shut me up.

Bring it!... I dare you... BIAAATCH! :amen:

Hahahaha, I am having so much fun with this idiot. This guys is such a retard, hahahaha :lol: what else do you have? keep making me laugh...

[PunkguyEG]

this is funny, i gotta see what he is gonna say next... :lol: :smoking:

[unam_mx]

Man yall have turned this thread into crap...thanks for ruining it.

[Ese_Guy]

What are you talking baout about man?, All my opinions are about Futbol, and the fact that mexico sucks. You are such a loser man. Do you have any arguments about soccer besides saying stupid shit?, you are such a fool.
Go join another forum besides futbol. Maybe you can talk about homesexuality in mexico or sumthing. IDIOT! :lol:
What a moron. I'm sure you'd know quite a bit about homosexuality.
Talk about soccer then. Why do you need to attack people in order to make your point? All of your posts have contained childish remarks against other posters & Mexicans in general.

[RafaDinho]

U make me laugh.... I think the only 1 pissed here is u cuz when u got here they told u it isnt right to eat rats....bumer huh? and all the cave writing u did in ur mexican home went to waste cuz u came here. Your the 1 that doesnt stop writing, U know mexico sux so u got nothin left but insults hahaha keep it up! good job!! :D :kiss:

Cave writing... is that the best? Back to the "eating rats" bit? Sorry chum, you suck at this. No competition.

Regarding the topic, I think i've stated my points waaay back. Going back to it would just be redudant and pointless because all you have to say is "Mexico SUX, MAN!!!" while ignoring our points. It's useless getting back on topic with you two, all you do is bash on Mexico. Yet still, you say I'm the only one insulting here. Tisk... tisk... I can care less if I insult anybody here or anywhere else for that matter. This is all nothing but meaningless words on a monitor and not a reason to get all crazy about. It's all in good fun after all.

I thought you'd put up a good fight, but as always, you have nothing.

[RafaDinho]

Man yall have turned this thread into crap...thanks for ruining it.


Dude, is it that bad? :)

[RafaDinho]

Man yall have turned this thread into crap...thanks for ruining it.

Just chill and have a little fun. No point being serious with these two homos.

[RojINeGrO5051]

man oman i wonder how the us will be in 50 years :lol:

[Ronni]

My goodness ...
I just passed by in order to see if the subject was developing to something interesting since I left the thread and I have to notice that it deteriorated to a childish dispute.

Hope this is not the typical level of latinos in the US.

[RojINeGrO5051]

yeah this topic went down the drain by some mexican haters talking bout homos and indians and mothers and pretty much all the middle school insults

[Ese_Guy]

Yup, the haters turned this thread into an adolescent squabble.
But there is still some good info in the thread.

[PunkguyEG]

yeah this topic went down the drain by some mexican haters talking bout homos and indians and mothers and pretty much all the middle school insults

RAFALDINHO was the one that got pretty ofensive. I have tried to stay my point all along. This forum is about soccer, and the fact that you guys think too highly about your team mexico. You guys aren't better than anybody especially from southh american teams. Let me refresh your memory with this little research that we did:

First of all, since the subject on this forum is about Mexico’s history, let me give you some facts about Mexico’s “accomplishments” in previous football events:

Mexico’s History:
1- Uruguay 1930 – Mexico lost to France 4-1, Chile 3-0, and Argentina 6-3. Mexico didn’t past the first round. Mexico scored only 4 goals and received 13 goals.
2- 1934-1938 - Mexico lost to USA and didn’t qualify to those two world cups.
3- Brazil 1950 - Mexico was again humiliated by losing all the first three games. Only scored 2 goals and received 10.
4- Sweden 1954 – Lost again in the first round. This time was even more embarrassing by losing 5-0 to Brazil, and to France by 3-2.
5- Switzerland 1958 – Mexico didn’t past the first round again. Lost 4-0 to Hungary, 3-0 to Switzerland.
6- Chile 1962 – Mexico didn’t past the first round again by losing to Brazil and Spain.
7- England 1966 – Mexico got disqualified in the first round again.
8- Mexico 1970 – Mexico finally qualify to the second round by beating El Salvador, one of the easiest teams in the Concacaff. Mexico was for the first time in quarter finals, but lost to Italy 4-1 and got eliminated.
9- Germany 1974 – Mexico doesn’t qualify to the world cup and loses to Trinidad I Tobago by 4-0.
10- Argentina 1978 – Mexico lost to Tunisia 3-1, Germany 6-0, and Poland.
11- Spain 1982 – Mexico didn’t qualify to the world cup buy losing to El Salvador, and tying to Canada, Honduras, and Haiti. The only game they won was against Cuba 4-0.
12- Mexico 1986 – For Mexico to be able to play another World Cup after 16 years had to be the host again and made it to the quarter finals.
13- Italy 1990 – Mexico was not in there.
14- USA 1994 – For the first time in history, after many appearances, Mexico finally qualifies for the second phase in a WC that was not held in their own land. Unfortunately, Mexico was eliminated again by Bulgaria the next game.
15- France 1998 – Mexico Won only one game against South Korea, Tied 2, and lost one.
16- Korea 2002 – After hardly qualifying for this W.C, Mexico got eliminated by U.S.A

Ok. This is a brief history of México in the previous WC. Impressive ugh? Now, don’t tell me that this is history and whatever happened in the past does not matter. That is why we all go to school for, to learn about history and benefit for what other people have done in past so we can apply it nowadays. Can you imagine if we all forgot about history?
Don’t forget Uruguay have won the WC 2 times in the past, and still today have way better players than Mexico does. Forlan, which is the current top leading scorer of Spain, cant possibly be compared to Borgetti or Coatemoc Blanco. Not to mention that the whole team is practically individually better than Mexico. Or tell me that kikin Fonseca is better than Recoba. These players as many other South American players act in way more competitive leagues than Mexico’s league, which is where most of Mexico’s first team players perform.

If it is true that Mexico has ever won something it has been in Mexico. Playing against the same low to middle level teams from concacaf and sometimes another team from South America. Understand that it is easier for Mexico to bring their first team to any competition since 95% of the players play in Mexico while South American teams CANNOT do this. The reason is because most of their players perform in Europe and other countries, and in many occasions their teams don’t let them play for their national teams, especially for those competitions like the Gold cup which for me has no precedence.

The following are quotes I have taken from Ronny which I happen to agree with:
“Mexico history in the WC is miserable. No other team was defeated that often. In this point Mexico holds the record. But there's one reason: since for years they were the only real team in Central/North America, they could qualify easily and got equally easily beaten during the WC. We shouldn't forget that the first time in history an African team won a WC match happened when an African team was able to play Mexico ...”

“Mexico entered the best 8 in the WC only twice in the history: when they where the hosts.”

“Moreover in my opinion Mexico never had "the big squad" - a team that every other team on Earth would fear. Uruguay did, Colombia did, and Peru did.”

“Nowadays they (Mexico) still don't have one player who impresses me. Indeed, Peru has these two excellent Bayern Munich players, and also Farfan. “

“Indeed I never saw great Mexican players. Hugo Sanchez was for me one of many others. Peru, Uruguay and Colombia already had their "monsters". I would consider Hugo Sanchez on the level of Zamorano or Salas from Chile.”

“Indeed South American teams do not consider the Copa America that important”

“South American players are playing where the best football players in the world are”

“I'd rather not talk about a "Golden Cup" or whatever it's called. For me it has no statistical or historical value”


Face it, Mexico has been everybody’s bitch in the past and not until recent history has that changed a little.
Now let’s see Mexico’s recent History against South American Squads and others:

12-oct-2005 Mexico 1-2 T&T --Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico Lost to one of the weakest teams in this coming WC and yet Mexico should be able to beat Australia, Uruguay, and Venezuela??

3-sept-2005 Mexico 0 – 2 USA Qualifying match WC06
Mexico is so great and they are the third power in America yet they lost to USA by a difference of 2 goals even though they are 1, 2, 3 I don’t know how many steps ahead of every other team in America.

17-July-2005 Mexico 1-2 Colombia Gold Cup
Mexico’s “subs” lost to Colombia’s “C” team. If Mexico is so great they should be able to beat Colombia’s bench. Their bench should show superiority to Colombias.

27-mar-2005 Mexico 2-1 USA – Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico with that great home advantage in Azteca barely wins 2-1. If this was another cup Mexico would have been eliminated by the difference of goals, USA having 1 more to their advantage.

23-feb-2005 Mexico 1-1 Colombia Carlos González, Sinaloa, Mexico
Mexico ties in Mexico to Colombia 1-1.

26-jan-2005 Mexico 0 – 0 Sweden Petko Park, San Diego
Mexico ties to mediocre Sweden, played in San Diego, Mexico is the local team.

7-July-2004 Mexico 2-2 Uruguay Copa America
The powerhouse Mexico was not able to beat Uruguay in a real International tournament.

18-feb-2004 Mexico 1-1 Chile Home Depot Center de Carson, California
Again Mexico tied as the “local” team to a South American side.

15-Oct-2003 Mexico 0 – 2 Uruguay Soldier Field de Chicago
The “3rd” best team in America loses to Uruguay.

20-Aug-2003 Mexico 1- 3 Peru Giant Stadium, Nueva Jersey
“Great” Mexico with their full squad at the time were down 3-0 in the first half, didn’t score their lonely goal till the 2nd half.

6-july-2003 Mexico 1 -2 El Salvador
Mexico can’t even take care of concacaaf teams and you are saying Mexico 3rd best?

26-march-2003 Mexico 1-1 Paraguay Qualcomm de San Diego
Not even with Rafa Marquez and both teams playing full squad, was Mexico able to beat Paraguay in a place with the majority of the population being Mexican.

About the recent Confederations Cup :
“Winning freindlies and games in first round freindly tournaments that does not make a team great.
The point is that even though Mexico beat Brazil in first round, the players still had to sit at home and watch them win the cup.”

The few Mexican players that are playing abroad, which I can count with 1 hand like Borgetti is not even getting recognition, has he even scored a goal in Bolton? Compared to Forlan or Farfan top scorers for their leagues. He just as Blanco, cannot handle Higher level competition, If he is so great he would be scoring goals like crazy and would be recognized internationally. The most recognized player today in Mexico is Marquez and he is an expendable player, meaning he can be replaced anytime if Barca feels like it.

Mexico is so great yet they need to nationalize players from Brazil, Argentina? Why can’t you guys play with just Mexicans? Are they not good enough? South Am. Squads don’t do that. Tell me when was the last time Colombia, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, or any other south American team nationalized players to play for them? Pathetic!!!

Mexico lost to many of the low level concacaf teams in many recent occasions playing official games trying to qualify for the 2002 WC in Korea. They lost to USA, Honduras, and tied with T & T. They even lost in the Azteca against Costa Rica. Now, tell me that Mexico deserves to be 3rd place in America.

I’ve had enough of “ASSUMPTIONS” and FALSE claims from you guys, so I am showing FACTS which prove that not only has Mexico won nothing important but hasn’t proved to be the third power in America, so how can Mexicans say they are better than Australia or Uruguay? My personal opinion on Mexico is that they are neither great nor sorry; they are just about the level of other South American squads but not better.

I think this is enough scores & stats of Mexico’s recent games, if you guys would like though I can show more. According to these scores and statistics NO MEXICAN can say they are the 3rd or even 4th or 5th place team in America, what you guys have to do is just not say anything at all and wait for the WC to see the results. I don’t want to hear anything about U-17 or that Mexico has a great future because we are talking about NOW, the present, and what has happened in the past, not future. If we talk about future then I can say most teams have a great future, it is an assumption. “U-17 teams hardly ever become adult teams, if this isn't the case even for U-21 teams.”

I don’t have anything against Mexico or its people. What I am against, is the mentality of people like UNAM guy, and believe me, there are many out there which is the reason I started posting in this forum Becuase u people talk crap having accomplished nothing. I don’t see Colombians, Paraguayans, Uruguayans etc, or any other team in South America and the world talking garbage as Mexicans. South American Teams have accomplished just as much or even more in Copa America and the World Cup than Mexico has, hell, I don’t even see Brazilians and Argentines talk garbage as Mexicans do and of course like any team they celebrate when they win but they keep humble, they don’t go around degrading other countries or talking bull about whos better,And guess what if they wanted to they could cuz they r actually that good (Brazil&Arg), the FACTS are there.

So as for you people, I suggest you stop making assumptions and look at the FACTS, If Mexico is so good they woudlnt be tying and losing to these "less superior" teams. Open your eyes and get a reality check from your dream world, and hopefully Mexico won’t be eliminated by USA or even a lower level team again in this coming WC.

What I am really trying to say is that you guys need to shut up and wait until you have really accomplish something so you can talk for real. If it is true that your team is better now than it used to be, you have to prove it by doing better this time in the WC and not as miserable as you did before.

thanks.

[ricoo9]

Wow u guys r even more ignorant than i thought. the fact that 1 of ur own ppl is the one that started the insults and offensiveness shows the ignorance. I think u guys should get a reading tutor! :shocked:

anyways RafaIndio, talk all the insults u want, just shows what ur real level of thinking is, I cant believe I fell to ur level for a second....I think u should start learning a little bit more about soccer, this isnt the insult forum, this is a futbol forum. If u got nothing better to do than I understand, cuz ur such a loser, sorry we made u realize that Mexico isnt that great! :p theres better ways to deal with it!! :lol: Until someone starts talking futbol in this thread I will not put another post in this thread, so rafaIndio just has to grow up and deal with the fact that ur team sux a big one, so write all u want, just shows how stupid and ignorant u r and that u know nothing about soccer, thats the type of education they teach u in those Indios schools :lol:

[unam_mx]

First off Punkguy, quit being such a retard...has anyone said anything about how good Mexico was in the 30s?We all know we didnt begin to improve until the late 80s and didnt start to consistently get out of the group stage in the WC until the 90s.Quit with this stupid "thats what we go to school for, to study history imagine if...", its dumb cause ur arguing with urself.This has turned into a Who's 3rd in the Americas RIGHT NOW arguement, meaning that most of that history that u were nice enough to get for us means nothing...u could make an exception for events for maybe 5-10 yrs but going any further is just plain stupid.


With that cleared, if u guys are ready to talk futbol once again (dont know if u missed the post, or just ignored it for lack of a response to it):


Im going to assume u know what Im talking about since u live in the USA rico...a couple of years ago in the NBA, the Lakers went out and got two free-agents that were on their way to the Hall of Fame.They were Gary Payton and Karl Malone, they were going to join two other sure Hall of Famers...Kobe and Shaq.They were supposed to break the wins records, be damn near unbeatable, destroy the league and win the title--none of which happened.They struggled in the regular season and only got the 4th seed in the West and in the Finals got beat by a Detroit team who had NO stars...it was just a solid team that played the right way.They didnt just get beat, they got embarrased and lost the series four games to one.

My point being...I dont care how many 'stars' Uruguay has, if they cant play well together it doesnt mean nothing.The names dont make a great team, they have to show it on the field.The fact that they lost to Australia shows how strong they really are...Australia is weak man.They got killed in the Confederations Cup, they hadnt accomplished absolutely nothing since the last time they qualified to the WC (40 yrs ago), and theyre a rugby country who doesnt give much importance to soccer.For Uruguay to lose to them is just pathetic...it shows how much that historic team has declined, how they are no longer a superpower.Look at their recent WC performances as well, not on par with the 'lowly' Mexicans--despite our choke-jobs we still did better then them.

Next candidate...

[RojINeGrO5051]

personally i think that the number three spot is up for grabs right now and yes i think mexico is a canidate for it again this is currently ,and if your talking historic will yes mexico blowed in the 30s up until 86" and 1990 they got disqualified but right now since this is what started the whole commotion im sticking to mexico and the us is up there too so here where i stand right now in the latin america

1st
brazil
2nd
argentina
3rd
mexico
4rd
paraguay
5th
ecuador


3rd and below are all crunch up cause argentina and brazil have excellent squads

[ricoo9]

to UNAM:

Oh I didnt know this was a basketball forum? :sick: so how bout them lakers?
lol wow u guys r going as far as another sport to make ur "point" I suggest u guys stick to futbol or "soccer" if thats what u wanna call it now since were in the states :D

[PunkguyEG]

Face it, Mexico has been everybody’s bitch in the past and not until recent history has that changed a little.
Now let’s see Mexico’s recent History against South American Squads and others:

12-oct-2005 Mexico 1-2 T&T --Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico Lost to one of the weakest teams in this coming WC and yet Mexico should be able to beat Australia, Uruguay, and Venezuela??

3-sept-2005 Mexico 0 – 2 USA Qualifying match WC06
Mexico is so great and they are the third power in America yet they lost to USA by a difference of 2 goals even though they are 1, 2, 3 I don’t know how many steps ahead of every other team in America.

17-July-2005 Mexico 1-2 Colombia Gold Cup
Mexico’s “subs” lost to Colombia’s “C” team. If Mexico is so great they should be able to beat Colombia’s bench. Their bench should show superiority to Colombias.

27-mar-2005 Mexico 2-1 USA – Qualifying match WC 06
Mexico with that great home advantage in Azteca barely wins 2-1. If this was another cup Mexico would have been eliminated by the difference of goals, USA having 1 more to their advantage.

23-feb-2005 Mexico 1-1 Colombia Carlos González, Sinaloa, Mexico
Mexico ties in Mexico to Colombia 1-1.

26-jan-2005 Mexico 0 – 0 Sweden Petko Park, San Diego
Mexico ties to mediocre Sweden, played in San Diego, Mexico is the local team.

7-July-2004 Mexico 2-2 Uruguay Copa America
The powerhouse Mexico was not able to beat Uruguay in a real International tournament.

18-feb-2004 Mexico 1-1 Chile Home Depot Center de Carson, California
Again Mexico tied as the “local” team to a South American side.

15-Oct-2003 Mexico 0 – 2 Uruguay Soldier Field de Chicago
The “3rd” best team in America loses to Uruguay.

20-Aug-2003 Mexico 1- 3 Peru Giant Stadium, Nueva Jersey
“Great” Mexico with their full squad at the time were down 3-0 in the first half, didn’t score their lonely goal till the 2nd half.

6-july-2003 Mexico 1 -2 El Salvador
Mexico can’t even take care of concacaaf teams and you are saying Mexico 3rd best?

26-march-2003 Mexico 1-1 Paraguay Qualcomm de San Diego
Not even with Rafa Marquez and both teams playing full squad, was Mexico able to beat Paraguay in a place with the majority of the population being Mexican.

About the recent Confederations Cup :
“Winning freindlies and games in first round freindly tournaments that does not make a team great.
The point is that even though Mexico beat Brazil in first round, the players still had to sit at home and watch them win the cup.”

The few Mexican players that are playing abroad, which I can count with 1 hand like Borgetti is not even getting recognition, has he even scored a goal in Bolton? Compared to Forlan or Farfan top scorers for their leagues. He just as Blanco, cannot handle Higher level competition, If he is so great he would be scoring goals like crazy and would be recognized internationally. The most recognized player today in Mexico is Marquez and he is an expendable player, meaning he can be replaced anytime if Barca feels like it.

Mexico is so great yet they need to nationalize players from Brazil, Argentina? Why can’t you guys play with just Mexicans? Are they not good enough? South Am. Squads don’t do that. Tell me when was the last time Colombia, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, or any other south American team nationalized players to play for them? Pathetic!!!

Mexico lost to many of the low level concacaf teams in many recent occasions playing official games trying to qualify for the 2002 WC in Korea. They lost to USA, Honduras, and tied with T & T. They even lost in the Azteca against Costa Rica. Now, tell me that Mexico deserves to be 3rd place in America.

I’ve had enough of “ASSUMPTIONS” and FALSE claims from you guys, so I am showing FACTS which prove that not only has Mexico won nothing important but hasn’t proved to be the third power in America, so how can Mexicans say they are better than Australia or Uruguay? My personal opinion on Mexico is that they are neither great nor sorry; they are just about the level of other South American squads but not better.

I think this is enough scores & stats of Mexico’s recent games, if you guys would like though I can show more. According to these scores and statistics NO MEXICAN can say they are the 3rd or even 4th or 5th place team in America, what you guys have to do is just not say anything at all and wait for the WC to see the results. I don’t want to hear anything about U-17 or that Mexico has a great future because we are talking about NOW, the present, and what has happened in the past, not future. If we talk about future then I can say most teams have a great future, it is an assumption. “U-17 teams hardly ever become adult teams, if this isn't the case even for U-21 teams.”

I don’t have anything against Mexico or its people. What I am against, is the mentality of people like UNAM guy, and believe me, there are many out there which is the reason I started posting in this forum Becuase u people talk crap having accomplished nothing. I don’t see Colombians, Paraguayans, Uruguayans etc, or any other team in South America and the world talking garbage as Mexicans. South American Teams have accomplished just as much or even more in Copa America and the World Cup than Mexico has, hell, I don’t even see Brazilians and Argentines talk garbage as Mexicans do and of course like any team they celebrate when they win but they keep humble, they don’t go around degrading other countries or talking bull about whos better,And guess what if they wanted to they could cuz they r actually that good (Brazil&Arg), the FACTS are there.

So as for you people, I suggest you stop making assumptions and look at the FACTS, If Mexico is so good they woudlnt be tying and losing to these "less superior" teams. Open your eyes and get a reality check from your dream world, and hopefully Mexico won’t be eliminated by USA or even a lower level team again in this coming WC.

What I am really trying to say is that you guys need to shut up and wait until you have really accomplish something so you can talk for real. If it is true that your team is better now than it used to be, you have to prove it by doing better this time in the WC and not as miserable as you did before.

thanks.

[RojINeGrO5051]

us mexicans will never like u say shut up cause were not the bitches that whine ,hey man if u have something against us no problem it doesnt bother me i deal with u people all day everyday :sad: even though i was born here in the u.s .i still love mexico with the passion and yes i support usa but u haters need just chill smoke on some chronic :smoking: cause that hate juice n ur brain is going to get u into trouble

[ricoo9]

personally i think that the number three spot is up for grabs right now and yes i think mexico is a canidate for it again this is currently ,and if your talking historic will yes mexico blowed in the 30s up until 86" and 1990 they got disqualified but right now since this is what started the whole commotion im sticking to mexico and the us is up there too so here where i stand right now in the latin america

1st
brazil
2nd
argentina
3rd
mexico
4rd
paraguay
5th
ecuador


3rd and below are all crunch up cause argentina and brazil have excellent squads


Finally a mexican with a lil bit of reality to him, "3rd spot is up for grabs". if u think mexico is 3rd that is ur opinion though, there r enough teams in conmebol to give u guys some tough competition and make u think twice.
I personally know for a fact that mexico is not 3rd or 4th but they got a decent team though.

One thing I'll disagree though is that ecuador 5th, they r more like 7 or 8th.

[RojINeGrO5051]

we all have opinions and we can disagree but dont let it get u{to anyone out ther} pissed off.ecuador to me at least deserves to be there since they beat brazil and argentina in the elminations but if remeber correctly they were at home but still any victory against them is good

[PunkguyEG]

????

[PunkguyEG]

we all have opinions and we can disagree but dont let it get u{to anyone out ther} pissed off.ecuador to me at least deserves to be there since they beat brazil and argentina in the elminations but if remeber correctly they were at home but still any victory against them is good

Ecuador beat argentina and brazil playing at their home. They are almost unbeatable there because of the high altitudes, but they are not great. They lost almost every game they played outside their home. Beating brazil or argentina doesn't make any team better than other. You mexicans think that because you beat brazil 1-0, and because you lost to argentina by a minimal difference in the last confederations cup you are the best team in the world, or third in america, and that's not right. Now don't tell me you didn't say that because it is in the previous posts.

You guys are not even close to being 3rd in america. Like you said before, "3rd spot is up for grabs".

Here are some other results in the last Conmebol qualifying WC matches against brazil and argentina playing with their full teams:

Bolivia 0 - 0 Argentina
Paraguay 1 - 0 Argentina
Colombia 1 - 1 Argentina
Chile 2 - 2 Argentina
Uruguay 1 - 0 Argentina
Ecuador 2- 0 Argentina
Peru 1 - 1 Brazil
Uruguay 3 - 3 Brazil
Paraguay 0 - 0 Brazil
Chile 1 - 1 Brazil
Colombia 0 - 0 Brazil
Uruguay 1 - 1 Brazil
Bolivia 1 - 1 Brasil
Ecuador 1 - 0 Brazil

[unam_mx]

Yet another typical cop-out by rico...so what if its basketball, the point is still dealing with futbol.How stars dont make a team, they have to show it on the field.I should be getting used to this though uve been doing this crap the whole thread--"SA teams use subs", "Mexico takes their whole teams", "Mexican clubs win in Libertadores cause SA teams dont care", etc.Same old crap, always an excuse to discredit Mexico.

Punguy, nice to see that u can copy and paste...come up with ur own stuff next time.And read some of the posts and maybe u could see in which cirumstances most of those defeats came.

[PunkguyEG]

Punguy, nice to see that u can copy and paste...come up with ur own stuff next time.And read some of the posts and maybe u could see in which cirumstances most of those defeats came.

I See what you are saying. I Copy and paste what I have written myself. Rico Poste the research we did about mexico's history, but we both wrote it.
And If I like to quote what other people have said to make my point it is perfectly acceptable in my opinion. People do that all the time if you didn't know.

What circumstances are you talking about? explain youself??... so far I haven't read an argument that makes me think otherwise about mexico. You guys have a good team, but again, that doesn't mean you are better.

Stop saying mexico is third best in america because they are not. You guys are not better than anybody, nor worse.

[Ese_Guy]

You guys have a good team, but again, that doesn't mean you are better.

Stop saying mexico is third best in america because they are not. You guys are not better than anybody, nor worse.

Decent post. Makes sense.
I just don't see why anyone bragging about their team or league would upset you - any country.

But, it's all good. Soccer does seem to be a quite passionate sport. So it is understandable why anyone would defend or promote their team. Attacking others seems more like a jelousy issue. I'm not saying you are, but that's the way it comes across.

[PunkguyEG]

Decent post. Makes sense.
I just don't see why anyone bragging about their team or league would upset you - any country.

But, it's all good. Soccer does seem to be a quite passionate sport. So it is understandable why anyone would defend or promote their team. Attacking others seems more like a jelousy issue. I'm not saying you are, but that's the way it comes across.



:tea: finally we agree on something. Sometimes attacking others is the only way to defend yourself. I didn't mean to say mexico is really that bad, but sometimes the comments mexicans say are unrespectful and unresonable.
I have to defend myself and what i believe somehow. Like i said: "You guys have a good team, but again, that doesn't mean you are better."
:amen:

[Ronni]

we all have opinions and we can disagree but dont let it get u{to anyone out ther} pissed off.ecuador to me at least deserves to be there since they beat brazil and argentina in the elminations but if remeber correctly they were at home but still any victory against them is good
I don't consider Ecuador at the same level of Uruguay, Colombia and Chile nowadays.
Never forget that any of these 3 got at least one point out of the matches played in Brazil and Argentina - this is a real football achievement. Ecuador has a reliable team, but they're not good. Their real advantage is the altitude. And it plays an incredible role.

[unam_mx]

None of us have said that we are 3rd just because of what we did in the Confederations Cup, actually I brought that up when ur buddy said that Mexican teams couldnt even beat Arg.&Bra.'s subs...which was false, cause in the Confederations they not only beat subs but the starters of Brasil and had Argentina's full squad on the ropes as well.It was a response to his statement, not a statement on my behalf that I thought proved that Mexico was 3rd.We've also brought up results of WCs were despite us not getting out of the 2nd rd. noone other than Bra. & Arg. can say that they did better there...how there isnt really another real strong team other then the big two.We've made various points man, we aint just basing this on the Conf. Cup--again read the posts.

Also, you guys say that it is a FACT that Mexico 'for sure' isnt 3rd...come on, thats like an insult.Even moreso when u guys think theyre outside of the TOP 5, which is completely ridiculous.I keep on asking yall guys to tell me who is then, yet u guys keep on coming up with weak cop-outs...its almost like u guys dont even seem to know who is better then Mexico, cause every time I ask u guys back away from the question.Im still waiting for an answer.

[PunkguyEG]

None of us have said that we are 3rd just because of what we did in the Confederations Cup, actually I brought that up when ur buddy said that Mexican teams couldnt even beat Arg.&Bra.'s subs...which was false, cause in the Confederations they not only beat subs but the starters of Brasil and had Argentina's full squad on the ropes as well.It was a response to his statement, not a statement on my behalf that I thought proved that Mexico was 3rd.We've also brought up results of WCs were despite us not getting out of the 2nd rd. noone other than Bra. & Arg. can say that they did better there...how there isnt really another real strong team other then the big two.We've made various points man, we aint just basing this on the Conf. Cup--again read the posts.

Also, you guys say that it is a FACT that Mexico 'for sure' isnt 3rd...come on, thats like an insult.Even moreso when u guys think theyre outside of the TOP 5, which is completely ridiculous.I keep on asking yall guys to tell me who is then, yet u guys keep on coming up with weak cop-outs...its almost like u guys dont even seem to know who is better then Mexico, cause every time I ask u guys back away from the question.Im still waiting for an answer.

Man, no offense, but your being such a retard. You are the one that need to read the previous posts. You keep coming with the same stuff all over and over again. You’re saying I shouldn’t mention what happened in the Confederation cup; nontheless, you keepl mentioning you beat Brazil 1-0, and “had Argentina's full squad on the ropes as well.” That is ridiculous, you brag too much about nothing. The truth is you lost at the end. You are pathetic. I’m not even going to repeat what I said before about that subject. When you win a real tournament I will have to say you are right. But that is not the case now. Some Mexicans at least see my point but you don’t seem to understand. It is pointless with you.

I see it is an insult to you to say Mexico is not 3rd in America. How is that an insult? you have to be craz :crazy: Hahaha, you are the ridiculous one here. You keep on asking the same question when I have already answered you! MEXICO IS NOT 3RD, NOR IS ANY OTHER TEAM! “-again read the posts.”

Here, I’ll make it easy for you:

I agree with Ronni, I think mexico is doing better now than in the past. But that gives them no reason to believe they are 3rd in america. In my opinion this is what's going on:

1. Brazil
2. Argentina
3. Paraguay/ Uruguay/ Colombia /Chile / Peru / USA / Mexico <---Any of these counrties can take this place.
5. Ecuador / Venezuela
6. Bolivia / Costa Rica
7. Rest of concaf.

As you can see, I didn't want to give specific places to the contries in the same number. I think they are pretty much at the same level. I belive that if any of this countries were to play together with their full team on a neutral place, it would be a pretty even match in which it will be pretty hard to predict the winner.

[barcaguy002]

I agree with the last post, mexico hasnt really proved anything. I think they should actually beat a south american squad in a finals and win something if they want to prove that they are that good. wining first round friendlys dont mean nothin

[mexicosux100%]

chile FOREVER!!! we are better then mexico!.. Conmebol has way stronger teams than in concacaf

[unam_mx]

Man, no offense, but your being such a retard. You are the one that need to read the previous posts. You keep coming with the same stuff all over and over again. You’re saying I shouldn’t mention what happened in the Confederation cup; nontheless, you keepl mentioning you beat Brazil 1-0, and “had Argentina's full squad on the ropes as well.” That is ridiculous, you brag too much about nothing. The truth is you lost at the end. You are pathetic. I’m not even going to repeat what I said before about that subject. When you win a real tournament I will have to say you are right. But that is not the case now. Some Mexicans at least see my point but you don’t seem to understand. It is pointless with you.

You're an idiot...its either u dont read the posts at all or when u do, u dont have the ability to comprehend them.Tell me when did I say that the Conf. Cup means nothing, and when did I brag of nearly beating Arg.?Your boyfriend said that Mexico cant beat Arg. or Bra.'s subs, I brought up what happened in the Conf. Cup and proved him otherwise.I wasnt saying that just cause of that they were 3rd in the Americas...but then again I also am not saying that it is meaningless, it is part of my arguement for why they are 3rd but not the only part of it.



I see it is an insult to you to say Mexico is not 3rd in America. How is that an insult? you have to be craz :crazy: Hahaha, you are the ridiculous one here. You keep on asking the same question when I have already answered you! MEXICO IS NOT 3RD, NOR IS ANY OTHER TEAM! “-again read the posts.”

Here, I’ll make it easy for you:

I agree with Ronni, I think mexico is doing better now than in the past. But that gives them no reason to believe they are 3rd in america. In my opinion this is what's going on:

1. Brazil
2. Argentina
3. Paraguay/ Uruguay/ Colombia /Chile / Peru / USA / Mexico <---Any of these counrties can take this place.
5. Ecuador / Venezuela
6. Bolivia / Costa Rica
7. Rest of concaf.

As you can see, I didn't want to give specific places to the contries in the same number. I think they are pretty much at the same level. I belive that if any of this countries were to play together with their full team on a neutral place, it would be a pretty even match in which it will be pretty hard to predict the winner.

I find it insulting that u say for a FACT they are not third...its almost like saying anyone but them.Hell, Ive never went that far and said that Mexico for a FACT is 3rd--even Im reasonable enough to know that it could go to the USA or maybe even Paraguay.I do think that Mexico is 3rd but if someone else thinks that those two teams are then u could make a good case for them.By the way, u are contradicting urself by saying that Mexico for a FACT isnt 3rd then pointing at that Mexico team along with the rest of the group and saying "either of those could be 3rd".Anyways I guess other then that I wouldnt have much of a problem with ur list, I dont completely agree with it buts its reasonable.

What I really have a problem with is ur buddy rico, who doesnt put Mexico in TOP10 and has teams like Venezuela and Peru ahead of them...especially since he thinks Peru is that 3rd team.Then his peruvian dumbass has the audacity to call us Mexicans biased :lol:

And oh yeah, Im not coming with the same 'weak' stuff over and over because I want to...more like cause u guys dont answer.You guys have the advantage of looking up every game and little detail of Mexico to use against them, and we dont.Give me a specefic team that u think is 3rd and I could do the same and find even worse.But of course u guys realize that it would prove u guys wrong, so u just choose not to answer--and if thats not the reason, then tell me what is.

[ricoo9]

You're an idiot...its either u dont read the posts at all or when u do, u dont have the ability to comprehend them.Tell me when did I say that the Conf. Cup means nothing, and when did I brag of nearly beating Arg.?Your boyfriend said that Mexico cant beat Arg. or Bra.'s subs, I brought up what happened in the Conf. Cup and proved him otherwise.I wasnt saying that just cause of that they were 3rd in the Americas...but then again I also am not saying that it is meaningless, it is part of my arguement for why they are 3rd but not the only part of it.




I find it insulting that u say for a FACT they are not third...its almost like saying anyone but them.Hell, Ive never went that far and said that Mexico for a FACT is 3rd--even Im reasonable enough to know that it could go to the USA or maybe even Paraguay.I do think that Mexico is 3rd but if someone else thinks that those two teams are then u could make a good case for them.By the way, u are contradicting urself by saying that Mexico for a FACT isnt 3rd then pointing at that Mexico team along with the rest of the group and saying "either of those could be 3rd".Anyways I guess other then that I wouldnt have much of a problem with ur list, I dont completely agree with it buts its reasonable.

What I really have a problem with is ur buddy rico, who doesnt put Mexico in TOP10 and has teams like Venezuela and Peru ahead of them...especially since he thinks Peru is that 3rd team.Then his peruvian dumbass has the audacity to call us Mexicans biased :lol:

And oh yeah, Im not coming with the same 'weak' stuff over and over because I want to...more like cause u guys dont answer.You guys have the advantage of looking up every game and little detail of Mexico to use against them, and we dont.Give me a specefic team that u think is 3rd and I could do the same and find even worse.But of course u guys realize that it would prove u guys wrong, so u just choose not to answer--and if thats not the reason, then tell me what is.


I think u need to start readin on the thread u started of 3rd in AMericas, cuz u keep saying I dont have a top 10 list or I think peru is 3rd, I have never said Peru is 3rd, In my list I put Paraguay 3rd....either u r not reading right and u need glasses or ur acting stupid :ronaldo:

[unam_mx]

I think u need to start readin on the thread u started of 3rd in AMericas, cuz u keep saying I dont have a top 10 list or I think peru is 3rd, I have never said Peru is 3rd, In my list I put Paraguay 3rd....either u r not reading right and u need glasses or ur acting stupid :ronaldo:

Yet u voted for Peru...man u really like to disagree dont u?Even if is with urself. :lol:

Anyways here's ur list:

1.Brazil
2.Argentina
3.Paraguay...

Arabia Saudita 0-0 Paraguay (29 Nov 2005)

Arabia Saudita 1-0 Paraguay (24 Nov. 2005)

Iran 0-0 Parguay (16 Nov 2005)

Macedonia 0-0 Paraguay (13 Nov 2005)

Ecuador 1-0 Paraguay (4 May 2005)

Uruguay 3-1 Paraguay (18 Jul 2004)

Bolivia 2-1 Parguay (1 Jun 2004)

Peru 4-1 Paraguay (6 Sep 2003)

Panama 1-2 Parguay (20 Aug 2003)

Jamaica 2-0 Paraguay (9 Jul 2003)

United States 2-0 Paraguay (6 Jul 2003)

El Salvador 0-1 Paraguay (3 Jul 2003)

Costa Rica 2-1 Paraguay (26 Mar 2003)

4.URuguay...again they lost to Australia and only beat them 1-0 at Montevido.They are the biggest underachievers, rather then do it in the 2nd rd of WCs like Mexico they do it in the group stage or like this yr by not even making it there.


5.Colombia
6.Peru... :lol:
7.USA...in the other thread u said that concacaf was crap and u only had Mexico in TOP10 from the region, just so u know the USA is in the concacaf.One more thing, they should be higher then crap Peru, Colombia, and the underachievers Uruguay.

8.Chile
9.Venezuela/Ecuador...pathetic that u have them above Mexico, u are dumber then I thought.
10.Mexico...as long as u have brain cells theyre no lower then 5th, even if u hate them with a passion.

[ricoo9]

Yet u voted for Peru...man u really like to disagree dont u?Even if is with urself. :lol:

Anyways here's ur list:

1.Brazil
2.Argentina
3.Paraguay...

Arabia Saudita 0-0 Paraguay (29 Nov 2005)

Arabia Saudita 1-0 Paraguay (24 Nov. 2005)

Iran 0-0 Parguay (16 Nov 2005)

Macedonia 0-0 Paraguay (13 Nov 2005)

Ecuador 1-0 Paraguay (4 May 2005)

Uruguay 3-1 Paraguay (18 Jul 2004)

Bolivia 2-1 Parguay (1 Jun 2004)

Peru 4-1 Paraguay (6 Sep 2003)

Panama 1-2 Parguay (20 Aug 2003)

Jamaica 2-0 Paraguay (9 Jul 2003)

United States 2-0 Paraguay (6 Jul 2003)

El Salvador 0-1 Paraguay (3 Jul 2003)

Costa Rica 2-1 Paraguay (26 Mar 2003)

4.URuguay...again they lost to Australia and only beat them 1-0 at Montevido.They are the biggest underachievers, rather then do it in the 2nd rd of WCs like Mexico they do it in the group stage or like this yr by not even making it there.


5.Colombia
6.Peru... :lol:
7.USA...in the other thread u said that concacaf was crap and u only had Mexico in TOP10 from the region, just so u know the USA is in the concacaf.One more thing, they should be higher then crap Peru, Colombia, and the underachievers Uruguay.

8.Chile
9.Venezuela/Ecuador...pathetic that u have them above Mexico, u are dumber then I thought.
10.Mexico...as long as u have brain cells theyre no lower then 5th, even if u hate them with a passion.


U know whats so funny, U laugh at peru yet MExico hasnt been able to beat peru in 6 years :ronaldo: last time peru lost to mexico was in penalties 3-3 copa america 99 and paragay, mexico hasnt beat either
I think i should be the one laughing :lol:
Like I said before, I dont have a problem with mexico or any team, but the fact that u guys act soooo superior having won nothing would get to anybody, if not ask all the ppl in this thread and others why they dont like mexico, not even argentines talk as much garbage as u guys,and guess what, they actually won wc's and copa americas. I chose PAragay but as a suggestion, why dont u check other teams games like urugay,chile,colombia ,etc.
p.s. the reason i picked peru in ur poll thing was cuz nobody hardly picked paragay and u didnt even include urugay and i certainly wasnt goin to pick mexico or chile...so no i'm not arguing with myself and i dont think peru is 3rd
:rolleyes:
SAying Mexico is 3rd is as absurd as u guys thinking that u will win a wc, it shows how ignorant u guys r to futbol, all u guys know is mexican futbol, u should try learning more about other teams so u dont become so arrogant. Theres more futbol besides chivas and pumas in this world :sick:

[ricoo9]

10.Mexico...as long as u have brain cells theyre no lower then 5th, even if u hate them with a passion.

Well there u go, finally making a lil sense, i have said before mexico has a decent team but i dont think they r better than the other teams, they might be just as good but not better and most of the teams in S.A. r even in level, they win some they lose some, no big deal, they tie and beat brazil & arg. also and they dont do it every hundred games like mexico. I think if mexico plays any of these teams in a neutral place, it could go to either of them, which is my point, if mexico is 3rd in americas it would mean that their superiority would allow them to win everytime or at least most times but this is not true,

[unam_mx]

U know whats so funny, U laugh at peru yet MExico hasnt been able to beat peru in 6 years :ronaldo: last time peru lost to mexico was in penalties 3-3 copa america 99 and paragay, mexico hasnt beat either
I think i should be the one laughing :lol:
Like I said before, I dont have a problem with mexico or any team, but the fact that u guys act soooo superior having won nothing would get to anybody, if not ask all the ppl in this thread and others why they dont like mexico, not even argentines talk as much garbage as u guys,and guess what, they actually won wc's and copa americas. I chose PAragay but as a suggestion, why dont u check other teams games like urugay,chile,colombia ,etc.
p.s. the reason i picked peru in ur poll thing was cuz nobody hardly picked paragay and u didnt even include urugay and i certainly wasnt goin to pick mexico or chile...so no i'm not arguing with myself and i dont think peru is 3rd
:rolleyes:
SAying Mexico is 3rd is as absurd as u guys thinking that u will win a wc, it shows how ignorant u guys r to futbol, all u guys know is mexican futbol, u should try learning more about other teams so u dont become so arrogant. Theres more futbol besides chivas and pumas in this world :sick:

Yeah, cause theyve only played like 2 times since 99'...very impressive man a two game unbeaten streak.The same with Paraguay. :rolleyes:

Who is saying we are 'sooooo' superior?And dont even act like a victim and say "I dont even hate Mexico"...thats a bunch of bull, what other reason is there for putting teams like Ecu, Ven, and Per ahead of them?Others like Uru, Chi, and Col arent as farfetched so I wont say anything about them but the first three are completely ridiculous...theres no other explanation for having them ahead of Mexico other then utter hatred.

So what if I didnt include Uruguay (accidentally left them off), there was still the "other" choice which included them...and many people werent voting for Par. so u went with Peru?You act like alot of people were voting for Peru, they were worse!Noone had picked Peru.Seriously what kind of weak reason is that.You also had the choice of Colombia who in ur list is higher then Peru.Either way, they dont belong as 6th either...ur still being biased and stupid by doing that.Then u have the nerve to call us blind biased Mexicans?Trust me having Peru 6th is much worse then having Mexico 3rd.

For reals, saying theyre 3rd in the Americas is like saying they will win the WC? :shocked: OK, if u say so...but for the record noone has said they will the WC.And upon request here's a few results of South American teams against the crappy Concacaf:

Mexico 3 - 1 Uruguay (Oct 25 2005)
Mexico 2 - 2 Uruguay (Jul 7 2004)
Jamaica 2 - 0 Uruguay (18 Feb 2004)

Costa Rica 2 - 1 Chile (Jul 14 2004)
Mexico 1 - 1 Chile (Feb 18 2004)
Costa Rica 1 - 0 Chile (Jun 8 2003)

Colombia 0 - 0 Honduras (May 30 2003)
Honduras 1 - 1 Colombia (Feb 18 2004)
Mexico 1 - 1 Colombia (Feb 23 2005)
United States 3 - 0 Colombia (Mar 9 2005)
Colombia 0 - 1 Panama (Jul 6 2005)
Honduras 2 - 1 Colombia (Jul 10 2005)
Colombia 2 - 3 Panama (Jul 21 2005)

[unam_mx]

Well there u go, finally making a lil sense, i have said before mexico has a decent team but i dont think they r better than the other teams, they might be just as good but not better and most of the teams in S.A. r even in level, they win some they lose some, no big deal, they tie and beat brazil & arg. also and they dont do it every hundred games like mexico. I think if mexico plays any of these teams in a neutral place, it could go to either of them, which is my point, if mexico is 3rd in americas it would mean that their superiority would allow them to win everytime or at least most times but this is not true,

Dude u act like after Bra and Arg they are completely even...and thats not true.After those two comes Chi, Col, Par, Uru.Then theres another drop-off (although not as big as the one after the first two) with Bol, Ecu, Per, Ven.Note that they are not in any praticular order (just alphabetically) so dont get all worked up cause ur Peru is 2nd to last, I think they are the header of those 3rd-level teams.

Dont act like u said Mexico was even with them either, ur boyfriend said that but not u (unless yall are actually the same person)...dude u ranked them 10th!Behind Bol and Ecu!And Peru!And teams that lost to Australia!And others who will miss the WC for the second time in a row!Dont act all innocent dude...if u wanna have a change of heart then go ahead, but dont say u said something when in reality u never said it up until this post.

The only ones that I can accept as 3rd although I wont agree, are the USA and Par...which is why I say we should be no lower then 5th.

[ricoo9]

Yeah, cause theyve only played like 2 times since 99'...very impressive man a two game unbeaten streak.The same with Paraguay. :rolleyes:

Who is saying we are 'sooooo' superior?And dont even act like a victim and say "I dont even hate Mexico"...thats a bunch of bull, what other reason is there for putting teams like Ecu, Ven, and Per ahead of them?Others like Uru, Chi, and Col arent as farfetched so I wont say anything about them but the first three are completely ridiculous...theres no other explanation for having them ahead of Mexico other then utter hatred.

So what if I didnt include Uruguay (accidentally left them off), there was still the "other" choice which included them...and many people werent voting for Par. so u went with Peru?You act like alot of people were voting for Peru, they were worse!Noone had picked Peru.Seriously what kind of weak reason is that.You also had the choice of Colombia who in ur list is higher then Peru.Either way, they dont belong as 6th either...ur still being biased and stupid by doing that.Then u have the nerve to call us blind biased Mexicans?Trust me having Peru 6th is much worse then having Mexico 3rd.

For reals, saying theyre 3rd in the Americas is like saying they will win the WC? :shocked: OK, if u say so...but for the record noone has said they will the WC.And upon request here's a few results of South American teams against the crappy Concacaf:

Mexico 3 - 1 Uruguay (Oct 25 2005)
Mexico 2 - 2 Uruguay (Jul 7 2004)
Jamaica 2 - 0 Uruguay (18 Feb 2004)

Costa Rica 2 - 1 Chile (Jul 14 2004)
Mexico 1 - 1 Chile (Feb 18 2004)
Costa Rica 1 - 0 Chile (Jun 8 2003)

Colombia 0 - 0 Honduras (May 30 2003)
Honduras 1 - 1 Colombia (Feb 18 2004)
Mexico 1 - 1 Colombia (Feb 23 2005)
United States 3 - 0 Colombia (Mar 9 2005)
Colombia 0 - 1 Panama (Jul 6 2005)
Honduras 2 - 1 Colombia (Jul 10 2005)
Colombia 2 - 3 Panama (Jul 21 2005)

Funny, "who is saying we are soooo superior" yet u r trying to prove that mexico is better than the rest of the conmebol teams. and yeah out of the last 4 games peru has played mexico the only game mexico won was in 99 by penalties, yet u r supposed to be way superior right than the conmebol teams right?
And no i'm not a "victim" but that doesnt make u one either, I was just havin a little fun hehe :D but yeah i will say that mexico is a decent team ok? but i have enough reasons to say that mexico isnt 3rd, the only reason u think they r 3rd is cuz ur mexican but i'm sure 8 years ago u guys thought the same and if we go down 12 years i'm sure u guys still thought u were 3rd in america, what u have to do is watch a little bit more soccer, there r channels like Goltv and Fox sports that show other soccer besides mexican so u wont be so arrogant about ur team, u guys have won nothing yet and yet act like ur the champions..... they reshowed pumas-velez like 100 times already i'm sick of it :sick:

[unam_mx]

Funny, "who is saying we are soooo superior" yet u r trying to prove that mexico is better than the rest of the conmebol teams. and yeah out of the last 4 games peru has played mexico the only game mexico won was in 99 by penalties, yet u r supposed to be way superior right than the conmebol teams right?
And no i'm not a "victim" but that doesnt make u one either, I was just havin a little fun hehe :D but yeah i will say that mexico is a decent team ok? but i have enough reasons to say that mexico isnt 3rd, the only reason u think they r 3rd is cuz ur mexican but i'm sure 8 years ago u guys thought the same and if we go down 12 years i'm sure u guys still thought u were 3rd in america, what u have to do is watch a little bit more soccer, there r channels like Goltv and Fox sports that show other soccer besides mexican so u wont be so arrogant about ur team, u guys have won nothing yet and yet act like ur the champions..... they reshowed pumas-velez like 100 times already i'm sick of it :sick:

Find one post were I said that they are "soooo superior", I have said multiple times that I think it would be allright if the USA and Par were considered better...even though I think otherwise it is reasonable enough.I have never put Mexico in the level of Bra and Arg and considered them way better then the rest of the Americas, u came up with that on ur own.And Im posting results of the South American teams in response to those "poor" results u brought up of Mexico...honestly I think both of our lists of defeats are ridiculous because we are taking a couple of bad losses and ignoring everything else including some important wins.I think theyre ridiculous but if u were going to come at me with BS then I was going to the same.

I have plenty of reasons to think theyre 3rd other then because Im mexican...even though u come up with these bad results and say that they choked in the WC, most South American teams have done even worse.Again Im not saying that theyre 3rd because theyre this elite superpower, Im saying so because there isnt a big strong team who deserves it more then Mexico.

I watch futbol from all over the world...I know more about Mexican futbol more then I do any other but Im not completely 'illiterate' when it comes to futbol outside of Mexico.And how about them Pumas!?!One of the worst teams in Mexico (recently not historically) goes out and beats probable Brasilian champion Corinthians and follows it up by beating the current Argentinian champion Velez Sarsfield.Club wise and league wise, Mexico may already be the best in the Americas.

[ricoo9]

I watch futbol from all over the world...I know more about Mexican futbol more then I do any other but Im not completely 'illiterate' when it comes to futbol outside of Mexico.And how about them Pumas!?!One of the worst teams in Mexico (recently not historically) goes out and beats probable Brasilian champion Corinthians and follows it up by beating the current Argentinian champion Velez Sarsfield.Club wise and league wise, Mexico may already be the best in the Americas.


Club wise and league wise, the best in the americas?? there u go again :faint2: I think thats a good accomplishment and all but they beat a corinthians that played like maybe 3 starters at most, and while i'm not discrediting the win against velez but boca is a way better team, ur gonna really see if u guys r at a good level if u guys can handle boca in the finals. But dont get ur hopes up sayin ur clubs r the best cuz thats exactly what u guys do and u still havent won anything :smoking:

[unam_mx]

Club wise and league wise, the best in the americas?? there u go again :faint2: I think thats a good accomplishment and all but they beat a corinthians that played like maybe 3 starters at most, and while i'm not discrediting the win against velez but boca is a way better team, ur gonna really see if u guys r at a good level if u guys can handle boca in the finals. But dont get ur hopes up sayin ur clubs r the best cuz thats exactly what u guys do and u still havent won anything :smoking:

How did I know that u would ignore the rest of my post and single that little comment, I guess I brought it on myself...haha.

And by the I was speaking about league and clubs, which has absolutely nothing to do with the NT...they buy alot of South American players and they keep most of the best Mexican talent.I know the giants like Boca, River, Sao Paulo, and others might still have an edge.But collectively Mexcan league might be the best, much more parity and overall play at a higher level...nowadays those leagues get their best native players in their younger yrs or their older yrs when theyre washed up.Mexican noramally keep their best players and attract some others away from the South American countries as well.But so u dont make a big deal of this and implode, I said that Mexico might have the best league not that for a fact they do...either way even if they dont they are very very very close.

[ricoo9]

How did I know that u would ignore the rest of my post and single that little comment, I guess I brought it on myself...haha.

And by the I was speaking about league and clubs, which has absolutely nothing to do with the NT...they buy alot of South American players and they keep most of the best Mexican talent.I know the giants like Boca, River, Sao Paulo, and others might still have an edge.But collectively Mexcan league might be the best, much more parity and overall play at a higher level...nowadays those leagues get their best native players in their younger yrs or their older yrs when theyre washed up.Mexican noramally keep their best players and attract some others away from the South American countries as well.But so u dont make a big deal of this and implode, I said that Mexico might have the best league not that for a fact they do...either way even if they dont they are very very very close.


ugggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :faint2:

[unam_mx]

ugggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :faint2:

Uhhhhhh...nice response I guess. :rolleyes:

[Orgulho Judeu]

A note to the starter of thsi thread:
Paraguay is better then Colombia, and if Colombia is tied with Mexico then PAraguay is better then Mexico...
i really feel like i broken record saying this...but...
Uruguay tied Brazil...
Paraguay qualified ahead of Uruguay behind Brazil...
i think that to say Mexico is better then Paraguay is inaccurate...i think they need to play each other with their A teams in an impartial country...maybe Colombia...

[RojINeGrO5051]

mexico is going to play paraguay next year but the venue isnt known yet but my guess is the usa

[ricoo9]

A note to the starter of thsi thread:
Paraguay is better then Colombia, and if Colombia is tied with Mexico then PAraguay is better then Mexico...
i really feel like i broken record saying this...but...
Uruguay tied Brazil...
Paraguay qualified ahead of Uruguay behind Brazil...
i think that to say Mexico is better then Paraguay is inaccurate...i think they need to play each other with their A teams in an impartial country...maybe Colombia...


THats correct, mexico aint better than anybody but try tellin a mexican that

[Ronni]

I could grab some statistical info on direct matches Mexico against the south american teams in question for the last 10 years.
Please notice that the first line shows victories for each side and draws, while the second shows the goals for each side (decisions on penalty kicks of course not considered).
Regarding which was the home team, they played many times in places like San Diego or others in south US, which I considered Mexico as being the home team. If it's Chicago, New York or northern US, I considered neutral pitch.


Mexico 0 3 2 Paraguay
Mexico 3 - 5 Paraguay
2 Mexico host
2 neutral
1 Paraguay host

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Mexico 2 3 3 Colombia
Mexico 8 - 9 Colombia
6 Mexico host
1 neutral
1 Colombia host

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Mexico 4 1 1 Chile
Mexico 8 - 4 Chile
2 Mexico host
3 neutral
1 Chile host

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Mexico 2 1 1 Uruguay
Mexico 7 - 6 Uruguay
1 Mexico host
3 neutral
0 Uruguay host

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Mexico 2 2 2 Peru
Mexico 6 - 7 Peru
4 Mexico host
2 neutral
0 Peru host


Except for against Chile, when the records are clearly in favor of Mexico, and against Paraguay, as they are in favor of Paraguay, all other tree seem to be quite balanced. Of course what counts a lot is that Mexico seldom played as visitors, what makes their results look better.
Adding all these results for the last 10 years we get:

Mexico 10 wins, 10 draws, 9 defeats
32 goals scored, 31 goals taken
Mexico 15 times as hosts, 2 times as visitors, 11 times on neutral soil.

Indeed the direct confrontation statistics in the last 10 years don't show that Mexico has been clearly better than all these other 5 south american teams. And considering the clear home advantage, I would expect that Mexico get even better results.

These statistics don't support my own opinion that Mexico is the third, however I stick to the results during tournaments at world level, when in the last times Mexico have clearly done better than all 5, perhaps with only Paraguay being comparably successful.
Perhaps it would be fair at least to consider Paraguay at the same level of Mexico, as 3rd.

As far as I remember, Mexico should have better records against "bigger" teams. I haven't seen any objective statistics yet - it's just a feeling.

It's important to say that here I'm considering only "Latin America", since the whole discussion came out of this apparent rivalry between mexicans and "middle"-south americans. This means I'm not considering the US.
Belonging to the same confederation, of course these two teams play each other much more often. And we have to admit that the most recent records are much in favor of the US.
They played already 10 times in the last 5 years, and the dominance of the US is amazing. They won 7 times against only 2 mexican victories, drawing only once. The US score nothing less than 14 times, and Mexico only 3.
Between these two there's no discussion, and in my opinion there are records enough for a clear conclusion that the US has already taken the first place in the Concacaf. As much as I don't like this idea ...

[ricoo9]

I could grab some statistical info on direct matches Mexico against the south american teams in question for the last 10 years.
Please notice that the first line shows victories for each side and draws, while the second shows the goals for each side (decisions on penalty kicks of course not considered).
Regarding which was the home team, they played many times in places like San Diego or others in south US, which I considered Mexico as being the home team. If it's Chicago, New York or northern US, I considered neutral pitch.


Mexico 0 3 2 Paraguay
Mexico 3 - 5 Paraguay
2 Mexico host
2 neutral
1 Paraguay host

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Mexico 2 3 3 Colombia
Mexico 8 - 9 Colombia
6 Mexico host
1 neutral
1 Colombia host

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Mexico 4 1 1 Chile
Mexico 8 - 4 Chile
2 Mexico host
3 neutral
1 Chile host

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Mexico 2 1 1 Uruguay
Mexico 7 - 6 Uruguay
1 Mexico host
3 neutral
0 Uruguay host

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Mexico 2 2 2 Peru
Mexico 6 - 7 Peru
4 Mexico host
2 neutral
0 Peru host


Except for against Chile, when the records are clearly in favor of Mexico, and against Paraguay, as they are in favor of Paraguay, all other tree seem to be quite balanced. Of course what counts a lot is that Mexico seldom played as visitors, what makes their results look better.
Adding all these results for the last 10 years we get:

Mexico 10 wins, 10 draws, 9 defeats
32 goals scored, 31 goals taken
Mexico 15 times as hosts, 2 times as visitors, 11 times on neutral soil.

Indeed the direct confrontation statistics in the last 10 years don't show that Mexico has been clearly better than all these other 5 south american teams. And considering the clear home advantage, I would expect that Mexico get even better results.

These statistics don't support my own opinion that Mexico is the third, however I stick to the results during tournaments at world level, when in the last times Mexico have clearly done better than all 5, perhaps with only Paraguay being comparably successful.
Perhaps it would be fair at least to consider Paraguay at the same level of Mexico, as 3rd.

As far as I remember, Mexico should have better records against "bigger" teams. I haven't seen any objective statistics yet - it's just a feeling.

It's important to say that here I'm considering only "Latin America", since the whole discussion came out of this apparent rivalry between mexicans and "middle"-south americans. This means I'm not considering the US.
Belonging to the same confederation, of course these two teams play each other much more often. And we have to admit that the most recent records are much in favor of the US.
They played already 10 times in the last 5 years, and the dominance of the US is amazing. They won 7 times against only 2 mexican victories, drawing only once. The US score nothing less than 14 times, and Mexico only 3.
Between these two there's no discussion, and in my opinion there are records enough for a clear conclusion that the US has already taken the first place in the Concacaf. As much as I don't like this idea ...


First of all, Great post ROnni, I would like to congratulate u on a job well done.

" Indeed the direct confrontation statistics in the last 10 years don't show that Mexico has been clearly better than all these other 5 south american teams. And considering the clear home advantage, I would expect that Mexico get even better results."
I completly agree, If mexico is the 3rd best team in the americas, they should show some sort of dominance against these teams but the fact that they havent even with the home advantage proves my point that mexico cannot be 3rd in americas.

I think the argument that mexico makes to the 2nd round of the wc is weak because its not much difference from paragay or other teams, I say, so what if MExico plays one more game in the world cup than uruguay or paraguay, they might not have even been in the wc if it wasnt for the fact that they played weak teams to get there.
I think for a conmebol team to get to a WC is something that goes down in history as a great accomplishment, what can the mexicans say? All mexicans can say is we got there thanks to the likes of haiti and dominica, not a great accomplishment at all.

I think mexico has a decent team, but nothing great, i think u guys r at about the same level as other south american countries but not better, and hopefully these stats will open ur eyes. If u guys are the 3rd power in the americas u guys should show some sort of dominance against conmebol teams, but u havent and the only reason mexico has 10 wins is cuz they beat chile a whole bunch of times, u didnt even beat paragay

[unam_mx]

" Indeed the direct confrontation statistics in the last 10 years don't show that Mexico has been clearly better than all these other 5 south american teams. And considering the clear home advantage, I would expect that Mexico get even better results."
I completly agree, If mexico is the 3rd best team in the americas, they should show some sort of dominance against these teams but the fact that they havent even with the home advantage proves my point that mexico cannot be 3rd in americas.

And your 3rd does show some dominance?I know over Mexico they do but against other teams?I find it ridiculous that u use that as a logic.After Bra & Arg noone shows dominance over everybody else.Who we consider 3rd(for me its Mexico) may be third but it isnt obvious...again Ive been saying this all along, the USA and Par. could easily occupy that spot as well but other then that I dont think anyone else deserves to.I think after the USA, Mex, and Par theres a tiny drop-off towards the rest of the teams.No lower then 5th and especially nowhere near 10th.


I think the argument that mexico makes to the 2nd round of the wc is weak because its not much difference from paragay or other teams, I say, so what if MExico plays one more game in the world cup than uruguay or paraguay, they might not have even been in the wc if it wasnt for the fact that they played weak teams to get there.
I think for a conmebol team to get to a WC is something that goes down in history as a great accomplishment, what can the mexicans say? All mexicans can say is we got there thanks to the likes of haiti and dominica, not a great accomplishment at all.

I find the arguement that Mexico is just a below-average team playing in a crappy region weak...cause if Mexico was indeed just a sorry team bullying even sorrier teams wouldnt they show that in the WC?Wouldnt they be like Ecuador, who in WC without the elevation are exposed for what they really are...a bad team.Mexico doesnt do that, they put on good showings even if they cant get out of the 2nd rd.

And please dude, give a break with the 'historic great accomplishment' bull...they have 3 spots to compete over (the first two are locked-up), Ven and Bol are pretty much Concacaf's Guatemala and Panama--they almost have no shot.So that leaves Par,Chi, Ecu, Per, and Uru fighting for 3 spots.Is it really that big of a deal?Especially if u dont do anything in the WC?

But just to rub it in, when was the last time ur Peru did that?When was the last time they achieved that historic feat? :p

[ricoo9]

I find the arguement that Mexico is just a below-average team playing in a crappy region weak...cause if Mexico was indeed just a sorry team bullying even sorrier teams wouldnt they show that in the WC?Wouldnt they be like Ecuador, who in WC without the elevation are exposed for what they really are...a bad team.Mexico doesnt do that, they put on good showings even if they cant get out of the 2nd rd.

I have already said that mexico is better than ecuador, I think if any team other than bolivia,even venezuela went to the wc they would do better than ecuador.

And please dude, give a break with the 'historic great accomplishment' bull...they have 3 spots to compete over (the first two are locked-up), Ven and Bol are pretty much Concacaf's Guatemala and Panama--they almost have no shot.So that leaves Par,Chi, Ecu, Per, and Uru fighting for 3 spots.Is it really that big of a deal?Especially if u dont do anything in the WC?

But just to rub it in, when was the last time ur Peru did that?When was the last time they achieved that historic feat? :p

Its actually 2 spots, the other one is a repechaje, and ask anybody from south america if venezuela is at the same level of panama or guatemala, ur wrong about that. Venezuela was one of the 4 teams qualifying till almost the end of the qualifying when urugaY woke up and venezuela lost some crucial games at the end. About Bolivia, well they r the only real sorry team in SA right now but who knows that could change within a couple of years. Anyhow, that still leaves 7 good teams trying to fight for 3 spots, unlike concacaaf which is basically mexico,USA only good teams.

As for peru, I'm sure they would of qualified for more WC's than Mexico if they would of been part of ur lame ass concacaaf and i'm sure anyteam going as many times as mexico has would of done something better than just 2nd round... Thats why I said big deal that mexico plays 1 more game in the WC than Urugay or Paragay, its just 1 more game! :boo: if u guys would get farther than i think it would be alright to brag about it, Turkey and korea got to the semis doesnt mean their better than Italy or Argentina. At the end u guys havent been able to beat Paragay and have struggled against other conmebol teams... I think I rest my case!!

As to Mexico being 3rd I think after seeing Ronnis post, and seeing how USA has wooped mexico 7 out of the last 10 games and USA scorin 14 times against 3 from mexico shows without a doubt that they r superior to MExico and therefore leaves MExico away from the 3rd spot. Now seeing as Mexico hasnt been able to beat Paragay either I would think that leaves them from the 4th too? All I can tell u for sure is that Mexico is better than Bolivia and Ecuador, About the rest u guys will have to prove it. THANK YOU I rest my case :first:

[PunkguyEG]

And your 3rd does show some dominance?I know over Mexico they do but against other teams?I find it ridiculous that u use that as a logic.After Bra & Arg noone shows dominance over everybody else.Who we consider 3rd(for me its Mexico) may be third but it isnt obvious...again Ive been saying this all along, the USA and Par. could easily occupy that spot as well but other then that I dont think anyone else deserves to.I think after the USA, Mex, and Par theres a tiny drop-off towards the rest of the teams.No lower then 5th and especially nowhere near 10th.

Hey UNAM, did you read Ronni’s post?
I think you started to change you mind a litle bit here. Now you think that Paraguay and USA can be third besides Mexico, and that there's a tiny drop-off towars the rest of the teams?

“Who we consider 3rd(for me its Mexico) may be third but it isnt obvious...again Ive been saying this all along,”
This is not what you have been saying before.

I think now you are realizing that you were wrong. That Mexico is not better than other South Americans teams and that they are all about the same level. You have to admit it man, come on.
Let me refresh your mind by quoting some of the statements you have made in your previous posts:
.
“other then the two giants,they are better then any South American team.”

"Uruguay is not better then Mexico...they lost to Australia"

"Uruguay, they lost to Australia...quite possibly the worst team at the world cup.Nuff said."

“I can assure u one thing...Mexico would NOT have lost to Australia”

"USA, I guess u could make a case for them but I would still put them slightly behind Mexico."

"Paraguay, just cause they qualify 4th in a 'tough' region theyre better?"

"Your a freakin' idiot to compare them to that Praguay team, did u even watch that game in the Conf. Cup?"

"Hey guess what, we're undefeated against Brasil in 2005!I guess that makes us better then them"

"The bottom line is, Peru sucks...and even though u find all those defeats and defects for Mexico, ur crap team is even worse.When was the last time they made a WC anyways"

"Yes, Mexico isnt the only one that beats giants like Bra. and Arg...but u also cant compare it to South American teams."

“Mexico is two steps behind Brasil and Argentina, and one step ahead of everyone else in the Americas.”

“The truth is, that only Brasil and Argentina have anything on us...the rest of the South American countries dont.Which is what we have been saying all along, and u have gotten all worked up because u feel that countries like Peru, Colombia, Uruguay, and Chile (which are all going through a bad moment) are our equals.Then u insult us by saying Venezuela might be as well.You're wrong, but I'll give some ground as well:
Mexico is 2 1/2 steps behind Brasil and Argentina, and between 1/2 and 1 steps (depending on the teams) ahead of the rest of the teams in the Americas.Still the 3rd best though ”

“your 3rd power is even worse. So again I tell u, give me someone else besides the obvious two who is better then Mexico?”

“Also, you guys say that it is a FACT that Mexico 'for sure' isnt 3rd...come on, thats like an insult.”

Anyways, I think there's no 2 steps, 1 step, 1/2 step, or a tiny step of superiority of mexico towards the rest of the teams in south america. Maybe towards bolivia, and maybe venezuela and Ecuador, but nobody else in south america. Mexico hasn't proved this, and the stats for the recent 10 years shows it.
Although this stats are not good for mexico, I think they are about the same level of Paraguay, Uruguay, Colombia, Peru, Chile, and USA (even though you guys lost 7-3 in the recent years).

[Ronni]

I was curious and I did the same research for Paraguay.
This is what I got:

Paraguay 6 1 3 Uruguay
Paraguay 16 10 Uruguay

Paraguay 5 1 2 Chile
Paraguay 10 8 Chile

Paraguay 4 2 3 Peru
Paraguay 14 13 Peru

Paraguay 3 2 4 Colombia
Paraguay 8 12 Colombia


This means Paraguay is clearly dominant towards Uruguay and Chile, but quite tied against Peru and Colombia.
Considering all of them together we see the following records for Paraguay

18 victories (+ 2 against Mexico = 20)
6 draws (+ 3 against Mexico = 9)
12 defeats (+ 0 against Mexico = 12)

I would say Paraguay is clearly one step over the others in South America. Colombia could be the threatening one.
The host / visitor issue doesn't play such a huge role here, since these teams commonly play as often home as away.

Well ... at least on direct matches among these teams - Mexico, Uruguay, Chile, Colombia, Paraguay and Peru - Paraguay seems to be the one all the others have to fear the most.

[PunkguyEG]

I was curious and I did the same research for Paraguay.
This is what I got:

Paraguay 6 1 3 Uruguay
Paraguay 16 10 Uruguay

Paraguay 5 1 2 Chile
Paraguay 10 8 Chile

Paraguay 4 2 3 Peru
Paraguay 14 13 Peru

Paraguay 3 2 4 Colombia
Paraguay 8 12 Colombia


This means Paraguay is clearly dominant towards Uruguay and Chile, but quite tied against Peru and Colombia.
Considering all of them together we see the following records for Paraguay

18 victories (+ 2 against Mexico = 20)
6 draws (+ 3 against Mexico = 9)
12 defeats (+ 0 against Mexico = 12)

I would say Paraguay is clearly one step over the others in South America. Colombia could be the threatening one.
The host / visitor issue doesn't play such a huge role here, since these teams commonly play as often home as away.

Well ... at least on direct matches among these teams - Mexico, Uruguay, Chile, Colombia, Paraguay and Peru - Paraguay seems to be the one all the others have to fear the most.


Good job ronni! nice stats... where do you get this info from?
Paraguay has shown better results lately, but i would say they are all pretty even teams. (Colombia, paraguay, Uruguay, Chile and peru).

[unam_mx]

Punkguy, actually even before Ronni brought up all those results I said that having the USA and Par ahead of Mexico was reasonable...and that u wouldnt get any crap from me for saying that.Thats it though, any lower then 5th and I find it stupid especially when u rank them as low as ur boy rico...who ranks them as 10th in his list.

[unam_mx]

Its actually 2 spots, the other one is a repechaje, and ask anybody from south america if venezuela is at the same level of panama or guatemala, ur wrong about that. Venezuela was one of the 4 teams qualifying till almost the end of the qualifying when urugaY woke up and venezuela lost some crucial games at the end. About Bolivia, well they r the only real sorry team in SA right now but who knows that could change within a couple of years. Anyhow, that still leaves 7 good teams trying to fight for 3 spots, unlike concacaaf which is basically mexico,USA only good teams.

Im not saying that Venezuela is at their level, u missed my point...which was that they are like those teams because they almost have no shot at making it in the Conmebol, similar to how Gua & Pan have almost no shot in the Concacaf.They might get close but they always find a way to mess it up.

And yeah, I know one is a repechaje but one would assume that they could beat Oceania teams...well that theory is thrown out after what happened to Uru but still, SA teams are supposed to do that.


As for peru, I'm sure they would of qualified for more WC's than Mexico if they would of been part of ur lame ass concacaaf and i'm sure anyteam going as many times as mexico has would of done something better than just 2nd round... Thats why I said big deal that mexico plays 1 more game in the WC than Urugay or Paragay, its just 1 more game! :boo: if u guys would get farther than i think it would be alright to brag about it, Turkey and korea got to the semis doesnt mean their better than Italy or Argentina. At the end u guys havent been able to beat Paragay and have struggled against other conmebol teams... I think I rest my case!!

Woulda, coulda, shoulda...whatever man.Bolivia (94') and Ecuador (02' and 06') have been able to make it in recent WCs, yet Peru hasnt.Thats pretty pathetic.I know there's the whole elevation crap but then teams like Chile, Colombia, Paraguay, and Uruguay have done it w/o any advantage.The only one without crap is Peru.

Getting to the 2nd rd doesnt seem like much but since Mexico 86' there has only been three South American teams other then Bra. and Arg. who have gotten there...Uru, Par, and Col--5 times between all of them.Guess how many times they got past the 2nd rd?None.So you cant really say anything about Mexico not being able to get past if ur going to compare them to these SA teams.Mexico got to the quarterfinals in 86', seems like a long time ago but its more recent then those teams can say.

Noone is bragging about it, noone is saying that losing in the 2nd rd over and over again is worth bragging about...just that its better then what most South American teams can say.



As to Mexico being 3rd I think after seeing Ronnis post, and seeing how USA has wooped mexico 7 out of the last 10 games and USA scorin 14 times against 3 from mexico shows without a doubt that they r superior to MExico and therefore leaves MExico away from the 3rd spot. Now seeing as Mexico hasnt been able to beat Paragay either I would think that leaves them from the 4th too? All I can tell u for sure is that Mexico is better than Bolivia and Ecuador, About the rest u guys will have to prove it. THANK YOU I rest my case :first:

Without a doubt?Not sure about that, again I dont have a problem with u thinking those teams are better...but atleast acknowledge that Mexico is very close.

As for the rest...head-to-head is very even (going by what Ronni brought up), so lets look somewhere else--in tournaments and WCs its Mexico by a landslide.What else must they do to prove it?

Mexico is a seeded team, in pretty good company...Ger, Bra, Arg, Fra, Eng, Spa, and Ita.Dont tell me that u have ur doubts about wether theyre better then teams like Peru and Venezuela that is just idiotic.Anyways whatever man, the rest of the world has taken notice of Mexico and shown them some respect...why should I care if a hater like u hasnt.Go ahead and think what u want, we'll see who's right in June 06'.

[unam_mx]

And here's some stats from the Conf. Cup game since I still cant believe that u compare the way they played to the way the 98' Paraguay team did:

MEX BRA
5 Shots on Goal 6
8 Shots Wide 19
18 Fouls 18
4 Corner Kicks 7
0 Free Kicks 1
2 Offsides 3
0 Own Goals 0
2 Yellow Cards 1
0 Red Cards 0
45% Ball Possession 55%

They played a to counterattack after the goal, but they didnt just pack it in to defend like u claim...especially when the game was still 0-0.

[ricoo9]

As for the rest...head-to-head is very even (going by what Ronni brought up), so lets look somewhere else--in tournaments and WCs its Mexico by a landslide.What else must they do to prove it?.

Again u r using only the wc to prove ur point. According to the stats Ronni showed, Mexico is not equal with paragay or the US, they havent beat them and the only ones they r pretty even with is Peru,Colombia,Uruguay which was my point to begin with that Mexico when compared to Conmebol teams is sort of equal to but not better. I think any of these teams still could and have beat eachother when faced head to head.



Mexico is a seeded team, in pretty good company...Ger, Bra, Arg, Fra, Eng, Spa, and Ita.Dont tell me that u have ur doubts about wether theyre better then teams like Peru and Venezuela that is just idiotic.Anyways whatever man, the rest of the world has taken notice of Mexico and shown them some respect...why should I care if a hater like u hasnt.Go ahead and think what u want, we'll see who's right in June 06'.

The only reason their seeded is cuz the fifa ranking says their 7th place. But we all know the fifa ranking is a piece of crap.
I dont think we will ever agree, but i think i have shown u enough to tell u that mexico isnt 3rd, if u want to believe that they r than go ahead but i think i have already made my point and yes I have been saying since early on Lets wait for the WC

[Ronni]

And here's some stats from the Conf. Cup game since I still cant believe that u compare the way they played to the way the 98' Paraguay team did:

MEX BRA
5 Shots on Goal 6
8 Shots Wide 19
18 Fouls 18
4 Corner Kicks 7
0 Free Kicks 1
2 Offsides 3
0 Own Goals 0
2 Yellow Cards 1
0 Red Cards 0
45% Ball Possession 55%

They played a to counterattack after the goal, but they didnt just pack it in to defend like u claim...especially when the game was still 0-0.

I fully agree. I watched to that match. Mexico did play knowing they were in theory the weaker team, but still they didn't play a fortress at the back and on counter attack. They played normally, of course with some more caution than against other teams, but they played really well. They won because Brazil didn't have a good day, but still they deserved it. It wasn't any kind of "Greece schema" or something like that. Neither was it defensive like Paraguay played in the WC '98 (ok, their only force was their defense - perhaps even the best one in the world at that time).

That mexican victory is one nobody can deny.

[Ronni]

Again u r using only the wc to prove ur point. According to the stats Ronni showed, Mexico is not equal with paragay or the US, they havent beat them and the only ones they r pretty even with is Peru,Colombia,Uruguay which was my point to begin with that Mexico when compared to Conmebol teams is sort of equal to but not better. I think any of these teams still could and have beat eachother when faced head to head.

Why do you insist on not considering the WC? This is simply the most important tournament in world football, and if any team wanted to have good records in any tournament, it's this one!

If you want to take any other official tournament where all these teams participate, it's the Copa America since 1993.
And since that time - 6 editions - there are only 4 teams that reached the semis 4 times: Brazil, Colombia, Uruguay and Mexico.
Again Mexico is under "top 4", like in the World Cup (with Brazil, Germany and Italy).
If you calculate how many times each team qualified in the Copa America since 1993, i.e., the champion qualified 4 times, the runner-up 3 times, the other two semi-finalists 2 times and the quarter-finalists 1 time, you get the following stats:

1. Brazil 16 times
2. Uruguay 13 times
3. Colombia and Mexico 12 times
5. Argentina 10 times
6. Peru 6 times
7. Paraguay and Bolivia 4 times

You can again say that south-americans don't consider the Copa America that much (what confirms Argentina's and Paraguay's bad results), but this would bring us back to the World Cup as being the only official tournament where every one wants to make their best! And we get again to Mexico as a top 16 in the world, together with Paraguay and USA, but far in front of Colombia, Uruguay, Chile and Peru



The only reason their seeded is cuz the fifa ranking says their 7th place. But we all know the fifa ranking is a piece of crap.
I don't agree. If the fifa ranking was the only factor taken, Holland and Czech Rep would have also been seed. But they take also the World Cup results, what reinforced Mexico's position.
Interesting is that there was no way of manipulating the things in order to take some teams out of the seeding. Do you know which teams these are? Brazil, England, Mexico and Spain. For all others depending on how you handle the values you could get them out of the seeds (except for the hosts, of course). They could even consider the Confed Cup, and Mexico would be seeded even higher!
This means Mexico really deserves the seeding.



I dont think we will ever agree, but i think i have shown u enough to tell u that mexico isnt 3rd, if u want to believe that they r than go ahead but i think i have already made my point and yes I have been saying since early on

Well, I started this thread thinking that Mexico was unquestionably the third, but threatened closely by PAR, URU, COL, CHI, PER and USA.
Now I wouldn't say any longer that Mexico is unquestionably third, but that Mexico is unquestionably between 3rd and 5th, but URU, COL, CHI and PER are definately behind them.


Lets wait for the WC
As for the first time a seeded team without being the hosts, Mexico again have good chances to get to the second round. Paraguay will have their too, such as the US. But Uruguay, Colombia, Peru and Chile will be sitting in their armchairs watching to the tv and seeing their good World Cup records from the past fading ...

[Ronni]

Getting to the 2nd rd doesnt seem like much but since Mexico 86' there has only been three South American teams other then Bra. and Arg. who have gotten there...Uru, Par, and Col--5 times between all of them.
You forgot Chile. They passed the round with honour in '98, succeeding in a very difficult group with Italy, Austria and Cameroon. They were stopped only by Brazil - their only defeat actually.

South American stats on passing the first round in the last 5 World Cups is very good. They have the best of all continents, beating even Europe. I brought that statistics to that "Europe vs. South America" thread.



Guess how many times they got past the 2nd rd?None.So you cant really say anything about Mexico not being able to get past if ur going to compare them to these SA teams.Mexico got to the quarterfinals in 86', seems like a long time ago but its more recent then those teams can say.
Like in 1970, in 1986 Mexico were the hosts.
All South American teams were able to reach the quarter finals when they hosted the World Cup. Actually all South American teams were able to reach the Semi Finals when they hosted the World Cup. Mexico hosted it twice, and couldn't reach the Semis even once.



Noone is bragging about it, noone is saying that losing in the 2nd rd over and over again is worth bragging about...just that its better then what most South American teams can say.
This is a question of reaching the 2nd round. For more than this only Brazil and Argentina are reliable in the whole continent.



Mexico is a seeded team, in pretty good company...Ger, Bra, Arg, Fra, Eng, Spa, and Ita.Dont tell me that u have ur doubts about wether theyre better then teams like Peru and Venezuela that is just idiotic.Anyways whatever man, the rest of the world has taken notice of Mexico and shown them some respect...why should I care if a hater like u hasnt.
You're right. It's correct that Mexico seeds the group all non seeded teams would like to be drawn to, but still everyone contesting "why Mexico and not Holland or Czech R." agrees with FIFA when they remember these teams weren't even present in 2002.

[ricoo9]

Why do you insist on not considering the WC? This is simply the most important tournament in world football, and if any team wanted to have good records in any tournament, it's this one!
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I dont think ur reading my posts correctly, I said the WC shouldnt be the only source when considering the 3rd place teams, there are many things we have to consider besides the WC. I agree we should use the WC but not as the only source of info for giving the 3rd spot.
One, The WC is every 4 years so alot of who wins is based on luck just as much as it is skill and power. If 1 team chokes they are eliminated, maybe the other team was more inspired, the other team was having a bad day, etc, alot of luck has to do with it as well.
some teams have been eliminated right away(Argentina,France,Italy,etc.) So because Mexico has advanced the past 3 times does it mean that Mexico is Better or that they are more Stable or solid team than these soccer powers?
What ur saying is that mexico goes all the time to the 2nd round, so it doesnt matter that it argentina didnt make it this once, what if argentina chokes again? Will that make mexico better than Argentina and France cuz they advanced again if arg and france didnt make it again?

[unam_mx]

What the hell is it with u guys, that just because we bring up something yall automatically think that is the only thing we are using for our judgement...first it was Im basing it solely on the Conf Cup, now solely on WC.Read the posts before u start assuming crap.

If u read correctly, I have taken into account the head-to-head matches...other then against Par they are very even.I dont think u can make a judgement with just that, so where else do we look?Tournaments and WCs, and once u do that u can see that Mexico wins by a landslide.Go ahead and have Par & USA ahead of them if u want, but lower then that is idiotic.

[PunkguyEG]

What the hell is it with u guys, that just because we bring up something yall automatically think that is the only thing we are using for our judgement...first it was Im basing it solely on the Conf Cup, now solely on WC.Read the posts before u start assuming crap.

If u read correctly, I have taken into account the head-to-head matches...other then against Par they are very even.I dont think u can make a judgement with just that, so where else do we look?Tournaments and WCs, and once u do that u can see that Mexico wins by a landslide.Go ahead and have Par & USA ahead of them if u want, but lower then that is idiotic.

What is idiotic (in my opinion) is to think Mexico is 3rd for a fact. MExico hasn't proved anything on the head- to -head matches against some south american teams.. only against chile & uruguay. Other than that, Mexico hasn't showed any superiority against colombia, paraguay, or peru. So i could say this is how it would be:
1. Brazil
2. Argentina
3. Paraguay
4. USA
5. Colombia
6. Preru/Mexico
7. Uruguay
8. Chile
9. Venezuela
10. Bolivia

However, for me this is not true. Besides the first 2, anyone can take the third place.I said Mexico could be third. In my opinion, any of these teams can be third. Nobody has showed superiority over another. We keep saying they are pretty even an u keep saying that putting Mexico lower than 5 is idiotic... stop insulting man, im getting tired of it. You go ahead and keep saying they could be 3rd, but not lower then 5th. Thats you opinion man, good look.

When you started writing in this thread you said mexico was third for a fact!. and now u say they can't be lower than 5. When you prove your point then i'll agree with you, i have no prblerm with it.

[unam_mx]

What is idiotic (in my opinion) is to think Mexico is 3rd for a fact. MExico hasn't proved anything on the head- to -head matches against some south american teams.. only against chile & uruguay. Other than that, Mexico hasn't showed any superiority against colombia, paraguay, or peru. So i could say this is how it would be:
1. Brazil
2. Argentina
3. Paraguay
4. USA
5. Colombia
6. Preru/Mexico
7. Uruguay
8. Chile
9. Venezuela
10. Bolivia

However, for me this is not true. Besides the first 2, anyone can take the third place.I said Mexico could be third. In my opinion, any of these teams can be third. Nobody has showed superiority over another. We keep saying they are pretty even an u keep saying that putting Mexico lower than 5 is idiotic... stop insulting man, im getting tired of it. You go ahead and keep saying they could be 3rd, but not lower then 5th. Thats you opinion man, good look.

When you started writing in this thread you said mexico was third for a fact!. and now u say they can't be lower than 5. When you prove your point then i'll agree with you, i have no prblerm with it.

Its not like Mexico has a horrible record against those teams though, its pretty even...u cant make a judgement with that and just because of that put teams like Col and Peru ahead or even with them.Since that portion of the comparison is even u ook at the WC and other notable tournaments, where its not even a comparison.Mexico is way better.

The only teams that have a good record head-to-head against Mexico AND at the same time can compare to Mexico's success in the WC and other big tournaments are Par and the USA...and Ive already said numerous times that its reasonable to have them ahead of Mexico.And yes at first I said they were without a doubt 3rd, but shortly after that I added Par and the USA to the list...even before u guys brought up these results that supposedly "changed my mind".I changed my opinion on my own before any results were posted.

3>5

[PunkguyEG]

Its not like Mexico has a horrible record against those teams though, its pretty even...u cant make a judgement with that and just because of that put teams like Col and Peru ahead or even with them.Since that portion of the comparison is even u ook at the WC and other notable tournaments, where its not even a comparison.Mexico is way better.

The only teams that have a good record head-to-head against Mexico AND at the same time can compare to Mexico's success in the WC and other big tournaments are Par and the USA...and Ive already said numerous times that its reasonable to have them ahead of Mexico.And yes at first I said they were without a doubt 3rd, but shortly after that I added Par and the USA to the list...even before u guys brought up these results that supposedly "changed my mind".I changed my opinion on my own before any results were posted.


Alright man it's your opinion, but you haven't proved anything yet.
Good look in the WC....

[Ronni]

I dont think ur reading my posts correctly, I said the WC shouldnt be the only source when considering the 3rd place teams, there are many things we have to consider besides the WC. I agree we should use the WC but not as the only source of info for giving the 3rd spot.
One, The WC is every 4 years so alot of who wins is based on luck just as much as it is skill and power. If 1 team chokes they are eliminated, maybe the other team was more inspired, the other team was having a bad day, etc, alot of luck has to do with it as well.
some teams have been eliminated right away(Argentina,France,Italy,etc.) So because Mexico has advanced the past 3 times does it mean that Mexico is Better or that they are more Stable or solid team than these soccer powers?
What ur saying is that mexico goes all the time to the 2nd round, so it doesnt matter that it argentina didnt make it this once, what if argentina chokes again? Will that make mexico better than Argentina and France cuz they advanced again if arg and france didnt make it again?

If you consider one single WC you're considering luck, unluck or whatever. If you consider many, this is called consistency. And this is what I'm talking about.
If France happens to be eliminated again on the group round, YES, I will say that France doesn't belong among the top teams in the world. I will consider that France had one single generation about 1998-2001, like they had one 1980-1986 and thereafter it's smoke. They're not consistent like Italy, Germany and some others.
Like Peru had that world top generation in the 70's, that was only one single generation, and this doesn't make out of Peru a world top team. The real top teams have no generational changes. Brazil are always on the top for decades. What I think is that Mexico is proving to be a "medium" team, top 16 in the world, without needing one brilliant generation for reaching that level.

[PunkguyEG]

If you consider one single WC you're considering luck, unluck or whatever. If you consider many, this is called consistency. And this is what I'm talking about.
If France happens to be eliminated again on the group round, YES, I will say that France doesn't belong among the top teams in the world. I will consider that France had one single generation about 1998-2001, like they had one 1980-1986 and thereafter it's smoke. They're not consistent like Italy, Germany and some others.
Like Peru had that world top generation in the 70's, that was only one single generation, and this doesn't make out of Peru a world top team. The real top teams have no generational changes. Brazil are always on the top for decades. What I think is that Mexico is proving to be a "medium" team, top 16 in the world, without needing one brilliant generation for reaching that level.

yea sure man... better than argentina too...
You have good imagination.

[unam_mx]

Punkguy, no offense or anything but you're an idiot...I mean what more do u want?Even in head-to-head, no comparison everywhere else.Is more proof neccesary?

Also, who the hell is saying they are better then Arg?Are u assuming that because Arg failed to get out of the group stage in 02' and Mexico made it to the 2nd rd, we think they are better?If so you are more idiotic then I thought, read the posts clearly man...you are missing the whole point of the posts.We're talking about consistency not just one lucky/unlucky WC and Mexico doesnt compare with Arg in that aspect.Noone is saying that they are a superpower, just that it is a pretty good accomplishment to get to the 2nd rd 3 straight times...even if they dissapoint once they get there.

[PunkguyEG]

Punkguy, no offense or anything but you're an idiot...I mean what more do u want?Even in head-to-head, no comparison everywhere else.Is more proof neccesary?

Also, who the hell is saying they are better then Arg?Are u assuming that because Arg failed to get out of the group stage in 02' and Mexico made it to the 2nd rd, we think they are better?If so you are more idiotic then I thought, read the posts clearly man...you are missing the whole point of the posts.We're talking about consistency not just one lucky/unlucky WC and Mexico doesnt compare with Arg in that aspect.Noone is saying that they are a superpower, just that it is a pretty good accomplishment to get to the 2nd rd 3 straight times...even if they dissapoint once they get there.

Whats wrong with you piece of shit unam?... I really thought i could talk to you, but you are more stupid than i thought. you still haven't proved anything retard!.
You are such moron, I was just making a point! cuz ronni said mexico would be better than france if france doesnt qualify to the 2nd round this time cuz they didnt make it last time. The same case for argentina then idiot. If argentina doesn;t make it to the second round this time and mexico does, then accoriding to ronni the "consistency" of mexico would make them a better team. that is insane! If we are going to consider consistency then take into account the whole history of mexico in all the WCs.. 100 participations and still can't win anything.


If France happens to be eliminated again on the group round, YES, I will say that France doesn't belong among the top teams in the world.

I strongly disagree with Ronni here man. It is always the same story for retards like you... i remember the previous WC, some of you guys were so confident an arrogant like you are, and at the end the story repeted. Mexico Got eliminated, and by a team you guys claim to be better.
But w/e you moron keep thinking mexico is the best, and keep bragging about your "huge accomplishments"....

I'm not replaying to you anymore.. I won't waste my time with you...

[unam_mx]

My bad dude...I was the idiot in this case, I didnt realize what u were actually trying to say.Now that I get ur point though, I think an exception could be made for Argentina because theyve been involved in such tough groups the last two cups.France is another story, they were in a weaker group in 02' where they managed only 1 point and will also be in a weaker group in 06'.France has been pretty dissapointing the last couple of years in friendlies and tournaments as well.

And man Im not bragging about getting to the 2nd rd over and over again, only to lose over and over again...I know that's lame and that its not worth bragging about.Im just bringing it up because even though its lame, its still better then almost all South American countries.Comparing it to the giants would be stupid but comparing it to the middle-pack South American teams is a whole different story.

As for the 'proof', I still dont understand what else u need to hear...its like ur considering Mexico even with those teams just because theyre even in head-to-head matchups.Why dont u look elsewhere to break the tie?And again in tournaments and in the World Cup Mexico wins by alot.So if u join head-to-head, tournaments, and the WC together wouldnt Mexico logically be better?You're basically saying no, which I think is pretty dumb.

[handofgod]

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Why Mexico is seeded? They suck ass, they have never won anything important.
The only reasonthey always go to the WorlD Cup is because the face the kinds of Haiti, Cuba, Dominican Republican, should I continue???

Because of this they are always ranked high!!! Thus get a chance to play with the kinds of Argentina, Brazil, Italy in tourneys like the Gold Cup, etc where the super powers show up with their Team C. Of course evey now and then they beat one of those teams filled with subs. Then they make so much out of when their clubs make it far in the Copa Libertadores. Of course!!! All the best players from South America don't play in the Copa Libertadores!! They play in Europe, you f****g retards!!!

This is a fact however not too many people (esp. Mexicans) don't know: You were offered to play the World Cup Qualifiers with all of South America...guess what your response was: No thanks. Of course.

Talk about FIFA being retarded, who the f*** wants to see the same number of countries from the CONCACAF as of CONMEBOL (South America)??!!!!

Why does Australia have to face Uruguay and TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO faces BAHARHIN (f***, can't even spell it!!!)??? WTF!!!!!!!

Why is USA ranked and seeded lower than MEXICO??!!!!! USA has beat their ass several times now, including the lasr World Cup!!!!

Mexico sucks, wait and see in Germany. My prediction: They will beat Iran -my high school team can beat Iran- , will lose against Angola and Portugal. And hopefully this Mexico crap will be addressed by FIFA and next time just like in Europe there should be a Qualifiers for the whole Americas. It is not fair for South American countries to kill each other for 4 places in the WC (when you know Brazil and Argentina will always go) and Mexico has to face Haiti, Cuba, etc

[handofgod]

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Why Mexico is seeded? They suck ass, they have never won anything important.
The only reasonthey always go to the WorlD Cup is because the face the kinds of Haiti, Cuba, Dominican Republican, should I continue???

Because of this they are always ranked high!!! Thus get a chance to play with the kinds of Argentina, Brazil, Italy in tourneys like the Gold Cup, etc where the super powers show up with their Team C. Of course evey now and then they beat one of those teams filled with subs. Then they make so much out of when their clubs make it far in the Copa Libertadores. Of course!!! All the best players from South America don't play in the Copa Libertadores!! They play in Europe, you f****g retards!!!

This is a fact however not too many people (esp. Mexicans) don't know: You were offered to play the World Cup Qualifiers with all of South America...guess what your response was: No thanks. Of course.

Talk about FIFA being retarded, who the f*** wants to see the same number of countries from the CONCACAF as of CONMEBOL (South America)??!!!!

Why does Australia have to face Uruguay and TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO faces BAHARHIN (f***, can't even spell it!!!)??? WTF!!!!!!!

Why is USA ranked and seeded lower than MEXICO??!!!!! USA has beat their ass several times now, including the lasr World Cup!!!!

Mexico sucks, wait and see in Germany. My prediction: They will beat Iran -my high school team can beat Iran- , will lose against Angola and Portugal. And hopefully this Mexico crap will be addressed by FIFA and next time just like in Europe there should be a Qualifiers for the whole Americas. It is not fair for South American countries to kill each other for 4 places in the WC (when you know Brazil and Argentina will always go) and Mexico has to face Haiti, Cuba, etc

[handofgod]

Mexico sucks!!!!!!!!!

[handofgod]

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Why Mexico is seeded? They suck ass, they have never won anything important.
The only reasonthey always go to the WorlD Cup is because the face the kinds of Haiti, Cuba, Dominican Republican, should I continue???

Because of this they are always ranked high!!! Thus get a chance to play with the kinds of Argentina, Brazil, Italy in tourneys like the Gold Cup, etc where the super powers show up with their Team C. Of course evey now and then they beat one of those teams filled with subs. Then they make so much out of when their clubs make it far in the Copa Libertadores. Of course!!! All the best players from South America don't play in the Copa Libertadores!! They play in Europe, you f****g retards!!!

This is a fact however not too many people (esp. Mexicans) don't know: You were offered to play the World Cup Qualifiers with all of South America...guess what your response was: No thanks. Of course.

Talk about FIFA being retarded, who the f*** wants to see the same number of countries from the CONCACAF as of CONMEBOL (South America)??!!!!

Why does Australia have to face Uruguay and TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO faces BAHARHIN (f***, can't even spell it!!!)??? WTF!!!!!!!

Why is USA ranked and seeded lower than MEXICO??!!!!! USA has beat their ass several times now, including the lasr World Cup!!!!

Mexico sucks, wait and see in Germany. My prediction: They will beat Iran -my high school team can beat Iran- , will lose against Angola and Portugal. And hopefully this Mexico crap will be addressed by FIFA and next time just like in Europe there should be a Qualifiers for the whole Americas. It is not fair for South American countries to kill each other for 4 places in the WC (when you know Brazil and Argentina will always go) and Mexico has to face Haiti, Cuba, etc

[ricoo9]

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Why Mexico is seeded? They suck ass, they have never won anything important.
The only reasonthey always go to the WorlD Cup is because the face the kinds of Haiti, Cuba, Dominican Republican, should I continue???

Because of this they are always ranked high!!! Thus get a chance to play with the kinds of Argentina, Brazil, Italy in tourneys like the Gold Cup, etc where the super powers show up with their Team C. Of course evey now and then they beat one of those teams filled with subs. Then they make so much out of when their clubs make it far in the Copa Libertadores. Of course!!! All the best players from South America don't play in the Copa Libertadores!! They play in Europe, you f****g retards!!!

This is a fact however not too many people (esp. Mexicans) don't know: You were offered to play the World Cup Qualifiers with all of South America...guess what your response was: No thanks. Of course.

Talk about FIFA being retarded, who the f*** wants to see the same number of countries from the CONCACAF as of CONMEBOL (South America)??!!!!

Why does Australia have to face Uruguay and TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO faces BAHARHIN (f***, can't even spell it!!!)??? WTF!!!!!!!

Why is USA ranked and seeded lower than MEXICO??!!!!! USA has beat their ass several times now, including the lasr World Cup!!!!

Mexico sucks, wait and see in Germany. My prediction: They will beat Iran -my high school team can beat Iran- , will lose against Angola and Portugal. And hopefully this Mexico crap will be addressed by FIFA and next time just like in Europe there should be a Qualifiers for the whole Americas. It is not fair for South American countries to kill each other for 4 places in the WC (when you know Brazil and Argentina will always go) and Mexico has to face Haiti, Cuba, etc


what can i say?? u make alot of sense :sad:

[unam_mx]

Really, when did they offer that to Mexico?I'd like to see a link cause I strongly doubt it...and besides it would be stupid for just Mexico to join Conmebol cause that would make the Concacaf really really pathetic.You would have what?The USA, Costa Rica, T & T, and Guatemala or some other little country as the likely representatives :boo:

The 3rd place and 4th place teams that currently represent the Concacaf are pathetic as it is, take out Mexico and u add one more pathetic team...not a good idea.Although I wouldnt be against the idea of joining all of the Americas, that would be pretty sweet.Give the entire Americas 8 spots and let them fight it out, that would be some good stuff.I find it pretty dumb that u guys feel that we would be "as rare as Peru" in the WC if we were in the Conmebol...Ecuador can make it why cant Mexico?They got better quality players, they have some elevation on their side as well (although not as much) that makes them just as unbeatable at Mexico City as Ecuador is in Quito, and they are a way more organized team which would allow them to play better as visitors.

Mexico aint a superpower, but they aint what u guys make them out to be either...

[Ronni]

yea sure man... better than argentina too...
You have good imagination.
the statistics don't lie. If you take a sufficiently large sample, you always have reliable results.
If Argentina keeps on being eliminated early in the World Cup and don't manage to win anything, of course there's no way of considering them a strong team. But this is something that can not occur that often. 2002 was an "accident", and as I said, "accidents" are cleaned up by significative samples.
Or do you think that Bulgaria and South Korea are football powerhouses just because they reached a WC semi-final? No way. Their achievements will disappear with the time. Like the argentine accident of 2002. You can be sure about this.

If Mexico reaching the 2nd round 3 times was an "accident", we'll see this perhaps in 20 years from now. But my guess is that Mexico will be one of these teams most of the times reaching the 2nd round. And I'm convinced they will do this next year again, what will reinforce my argument even more.

[ricoo9]

the statistics don't lie. If you take a sufficiently large sample, you always have reliable results.
If Argentina keeps on being eliminated early in the World Cup and don't manage to win anything, of course there's no way of considering them a strong team. But this is something that can not occur that often. 2002 was an "accident", and as I said, "accidents" are cleaned up by significative samples.
Or do you think that Bulgaria and South Korea are football powerhouses just because they reached a WC semi-final? No way. Their achievements will disappear with the time. Like the argentine accident of 2002. You can be sure about this.

If Mexico reaching the 2nd round 3 times was an "accident", we'll see this perhaps in 20 years from now. But my guess is that Mexico will be one of these teams most of the times reaching the 2nd round. And I'm convinced they will do this next year again, what will reinforce my argument even more.

So what ur saying is that if Argentina loses again mexico is better HA! :lol: u make me laugh man, thats the most ilogical thing i've ever heard u say. No one in their right mind would compare those 2 teams.

About mexico making it to the 2nd round this time, it is very possible considering that they got an easier group than even the host of the wc and brazil. Its ridicoulous that Mexico gets easier teams than germany, how much lucky and easier can fifa make it for mexico. But you'll see Mexico isnt even gonna pass the 1st round.

My prediction
I say Angola 2- Mexxico 1
Iran 1- Mexico 0
Portugal 4 - Mexico 0 :happy:

[Ronni]

So what ur saying is that if Argentina loses again mexico is better HA! :lol: u make me laugh man, thats the most ilogical thing i've ever heard u say. No one in their right mind would compare those 2 teams.
Argentina won't definately be eliminated on the first round.

[RojINeGrO5051]

im saying mexico3-2angola
mexico2-2iran
mexico1-1portugal

[PunkguyEG]

the statistics don't lie. If you take a sufficiently large sample, you always have reliable results.


Statistics don’t lie? Statistics have always reliable results? Are you telling me that people that use statistics are never incorrect? Let me tell you Ronni. You are wrong. Statistics could be very reliable, but not always precise. You should always be aware of the possibility of errors in statistics.




If Argentina keeps on being eliminated early in the World Cup and don't manage to win anything, of course there's no way of considering them a strong team. But this is something that can not occur that often. 2002 was an "accident", and as I said, "accidents" are cleaned up by significative samples.


To say a team is among the best in the world you have to consider other variables, such as quality of the players, history, many tournaments, luck, place, etc….

A significative sample 3 world cups? Are you kidding? I am sorry but I disagree with you again. If you are talking about something being significant, why don’t you consider a larger sample? Besides, samples are usually taken randomly from the whole population, so every unit remaining in the population has the same chance of being chosen. Then we pick a sample mean which is usually the average of the sample measurements. Obviously, if you look back to Mexico’s previous performances, you are not going to find that great “consistency” you are talking about. Ok, like your friend UNAM you may argue that “we are talking about recent WCs.” Again, if you are going to argue about something using statistics and sampling, you are not doing a good job.
Besides it is not like the players from 1994 are the same players for this comming WC.


But my guess is that Mexico will be one of these teams most of the times reaching the 2nd round. And I'm convinced they will do this next year again, what will reinforce my argument even more.

How can you be so sure of this? If Mexico had showed a real stability or trend for a larger period of time, then I would consider Mexico a very good team, such as Argentina, Brazil, and others that have really demonstrated that they have the capacity and talent to be among the top teams in the World. Even though they happened to be in an easy group for this coming WC, I wouldn’t be so sure that they would qualify for the 2nd round. Obviously Mexico has showed a trend of stability or “consistency” by qualifying to the 2nd round that you use to back up your arguments. However, this doesn’t guarantee that it is going to be the same or it is going to improve in the future. Mexico hasn’t even showed any improvement. So the trend may go up or down. History doesn't favor Mexico that much.
Seriously, Mexico has not proved to be one of the top teams in the world. Besides, to consider only the WC is ridiculous. To say a team is among the best in the world you also have to consider other variables, such as quality of the players, history, other tournaments, luck, place, etc.


France happens to be eliminated again on the group round, YES; I will say that France doesn't belong among the top teams in the world. I will consider that France had one single generation about 1998-2001, like they had one 1980-1986 and thereafter its smoke. They're not consistent like Italy, Germany and some others.

And mexico right?

these are the games Mexico has played Against France in history:

03-JUN-01 ULSAN (Korea Republic) France vs. Mexico 4:0
31-AUG-96 PARIS (France) France vs. Mexico 2:0
13-JUL-66 LONDON (England) France vs. Mexico 1:1
19-JUN-54 GENEVA (Switzerland) France vs. Mexico 3:2
13-JUL-30 MONTEVIDEO (Uruguay) France vs. Mexico 4:1

Do I need to say more? Mexico has never ever beaten France. So I don’t know how you can make those illogical comparisons. I think your arguments are weak. France might be descending in soccer, but that doesn’t mean Mexico has reached them, or are even better. It doesn’t make sense.

Argentina is in a really hard group, so who knows if they can make it to the second round. Like you, I strongly agree they will, but I can’t be so sure.
Of course, they have a lot of more chances than Mexico, even if they are in a tougher group.

Finally, I think there isn’t even a point of comparing Mexico to France and Argentina. Even if they don’t make it to the second round next time. Who knows, maybe in many many years Mexico earns the real privilege to be among the best. Mexico will have to prove that by winning a World Cup maybe twice.

Again, to say a team is among the best in the world you have to consider other variables, such as quality of the players, history, many tournaments, luck, place, etc.

[PunkguyEG]

This guy UMAN said in various occasions that Uruguay sucked because they lost to Australia recently. He also said, that australia is probably the worst team in the world cup and that losing to them was ridiculous. He also said that comparing Australia to mexico was "like insulting".

I was wondering if Australia and Mexico had ever played. This is what I found:

30-MAY-01 SUWON (Korea Republic) Mexico vs. Australia 0:2
FIFA Confederations Cup Korea/Japan 2001
12-DEC-97 RIYADH (Saudi Arabia) Mexico vs. Australia 1:3
FIFA Confederations Cup Saudi Arabia 1997

According to this site, these are the only 2 times they have ever played. Mexico losing both times. I don't know if this is right or they played in other occasions. Can anyone tell me?

These results are are not that recent. However, I think Australia is way better now. I believe they have a really good team , with all their players playing in Europe. Certainly, they can beat Mexico with greater chances now than before.

[Albais#1]

First of all Mexico just beat Brazil in Confederations Cup 1-0, and Mexico did not have all their starters playing like Rafael Marquez and Cuautemoch Blanco, and Brazil had all their star players like Adriano and Ronaldinho. So shut the ***k up you little pussies, shit, you ***ken faggets think you can talk shit about Mexico and get away with it. I don't think so.
This message is to anyone who is hatting on Mexico! Mexico asta la muerte Putos!!!!!

[RojINeGrO5051]

like i said these are probely mofos that cant stand mexicans so they netbash us like if ther some kind of gods of football

[PunkguyEG]

Im not gonna argue with stupid people :smoking:

[RojINeGrO5051]

get out of here then :smoking:

[Ronni]

Statistics don’t lie? Statistics have always reliable results? Are you telling me that people that use statistics are never incorrect? Let me tell you Ronni. You are wrong. Statistics could be very reliable, but not always precise. You should always be aware of the possibility of errors in statistics.
every affirmation we do are based on statistics, even if we don't see them as such. Football is one of those sports that created an objective way of measuring the strength of the teams. It's called "goal". Actually, if we get into the basis of football, players are trying to prove which team has better abilities on handling the ball with the feet. They could be measured like on figure skating, diving or gymnastics, i.e., with experienced people analyzing them sort of subjectively (actually this isn't 100% the case even in these sports any more), but they invented one thing called "goal". This means that the team that is able to make the ball cross the opponent's back line in a delimited area more often during the determined time is the best team. This was done in order to shrink the evaluation variables to only one.
However this still doesn't work always. Sometimes a team that has better ball abilities with their feet scores less goals than their opponents. They have to be saved by statistics. This is the "necessary evil" we have to assume in order to keep the things clear and objective, i.e., to work with as less variables as possible.

The fact is that in the long run, the best teams finish all on top. Look at the football World Cup. Countries that aren't real strong football nations will every now and then get good results, but if you have a significative sample, their results will disappear.
After the last WC final a german guy told me that Germany would take long time to have again as many WC titles as Brazil, like they were between 1990 and 1994. I told him that that tie situation was just due to the case of insufficient samples. If football forces stay in the next 100 years the way they are today, I'm sure that in the next 25 WCs Germany won't win more titles than Brazil. Effectively Brazil IS a stronger football nation than Germany.
Look at Argentina vs. Uruguay. They're tied in WCs and in Copa Americas. Do you think they can be compared? No. In 100 years Argentina will have more titles.

Statistics are always the best source for taking conclusions there is, however you have to count on a significative sample.



A significative sample 3 world cups? Are you kidding? I am sorry but I disagree with you again. If you are talking about something being significant,


You can tell me that 3 World Cups aren't enough. I agree, it's too few. However we have to consider that the distribution of football forces (on a second stage) changed too much in the last years, and the WC is disputed only once every 4 years.
But the effectiveness of Mexico on getting to the second round is so impressive, that even in the next 20 years they will be on top.
Let's consider we're living in the year 2014, the World Cup in Brazil has just finished, and we decide to discuss the same issue but instead of considering the last 3 World Cups, we consider the last 10 World Cups. And we ask "which countries in America could qualify more often to the second round than Mexico?". I can tell you: they will be Brazil and Argentina for sure. Mathematically the only other teams that will be able to do this are Uruguay, Paraguay and the US. Any of the others have no chance.

So if I'm saying that considering 3 World Cups is ok, it's not because I think that the records on 3 World Cups are enough for taking valuable conclusions. It's because Mexico's records are so consistent comparing to the other south americans that they validate a much wider sample!



To say a team is among the best in the world you have to consider other variables, such as quality of the players, history, many tournaments, luck, place, etc….
I'm not trying to put Mexico in the group of the top 4 in the world. I'm considering them on top 20, what Mexico's haters don't accept. Anyway for being on top 20 you don't need to win anything. It can happen that you always have one of top 4 in front of you. And it's not because the 40th wins once that they are automatically better. This would be "raping the statistics". It's like saying that Greece won once the Euro, while England never played the final, so Greece is a stronger football nation than England. No. In order to look for the place Greece belongs to, you have to compare their consistency with teams of their "size" in reaching a level they are supposed to reach often, so that you have enough samples. Of course one final victory can count perhaps as 2 quarters, but one victory plus no participation in the following 4 tournaments is still much less significative as 5 times reaching the quarters.



why don’t you consider a larger sample?

If I take the last 5 WCs Mexico is still on top, under Brazil, Germany and Italy. I didn't consider those two WCs because on one of them Mexico wasn't allowed to play and on the other Mexico were the hosts, so I would be inserting a positive variable to Mexico.




Besides, samples are usually taken randomly from the whole population, so every unit remaining in the population has the same chance of being chosen. Then we pick a sample mean which is usually the average of the sample measurements. Obviously, if you look back to Mexico’s previous performances, you are not going to find that great “consistency” you are talking about.
We're talking about the current situation. When the time plays a role, you have to consider it on your choice of samples. If we're talking about 2005, we should take some years previous to 2005 and some years after 2005 - but unfortunately my crystal ball is being repaired and I can consider only the past.
If you want to consider the whole period the WC was played, you'll probably come to the conclusion that Hungary is on top 10 such as Uruguay etc.
This is exactely the way you can say statistics don't work.

Review my very first posting in the thread "Mexico historic ..." in the "Copa America" forum, and you'll see what I pointed out - that Mexico is the team with the most defeats in the World Cup, that their records are miserable etc.
But if you want to consider Mexico's records of 30 years ago in order to evaluate their force today, it's really just because you want to see them as low as possible. It's undeniable that Mexico is one of the teams that improved the most in the last decades. Actually the US is another one of these, like some africans, asians ...




Ok, like your friend UNAM you may argue that “we are talking about recent WCs.” Again, if you are going to argue about something using statistics and sampling, you are not doing a good job.
Ok, so take your own conclusions.
For me it's enough.



Besides it is not like the players from 1994 are the same players for this comming WC.
This proves that Mexico is becoming a strong football nation, instead of just having a single brilliant generation.



How can you be so sure of this? If Mexico had showed a real stability or trend for a larger period of time, then I would consider Mexico a very good team, such as Argentina, Brazil, and others that have really demonstrated that they have the capacity and talent to be among the top teams in the World.
I'm talking about consistency on one point where 16 teams can reach every 4 years.
I don't consider Mexico on top 10. For top 10 I would perhas consider the consistency on the quarters - where only 8 teams reach every 4 years. So I would have to come further in the past, also because no team becomes top 10 in just 10 years.

Still Argentina and Brazil are much more consistent than Mexico. Argentina hasn't won anything for a while, but as I stated before, this is not enough to say they aren't a top football nation, since they are consistent. They are one of the 6 teams that reached the quarters at least 3 times in the last 5 WCs, together with Brazil, Germany, Italy, England and Spain. You see? I consider Spain top 10, even if Spain don't even reach the semis in any tournament (differently from Bulgaria, Turkey, S.Korea, Greece). They're consistent, and this is more important than even winning a single tournament.



Even though they happened to be in an easy group for this coming WC, I wouldn’t be so sure that they would qualify for the 2nd round. Obviously Mexico has showed a trend of stability or “consistency” by qualifying to the 2nd round that you use to back up your arguments.
I don't know. As I told you, my crystal ball is being repaired, and I have to rely on my "feeling". And I have a "feeling" that Mexico will qualify together with Portugal, since both are stronger than Angola and Iran. Not that this is what I would like to have ... I would prefer Angola to qualify instead of Mexico, but I think that unfortunately Mexico will beat them



However, this doesn’t guarantee that it is going to be the same or it is going to improve in the future. Mexico hasn’t even showed any improvement. So the trend may go up or down.
I agree. They reached a point about 20 years ago and seem to stay at the same point. Perhaps this is their "real" position. But still it is among the top 6 in America.



History doesn't favor Mexico that much.
Seriously, Mexico has not proved to be one of the top teams in the world.

For me they are top 20 but not top 10. So it depends on what you consider "top".



Besides, to consider only the WC is ridiculous. To say a team is among the best in the world you also have to consider other variables, such as quality of the players, history, other tournaments, luck, place, etc.
I tried to, but you don't consider any argument that backs the fact that Mexico is top 6 in America or top 20 in the World ...
I said that Mexico is one of the 4 teams that reached the quarters at least 4 times in the last 6 editions of the Copa America (when they started participating).
Mexico won many times the Taco Bell's Cup (I loved this expression - I think it was from RojINeGrO - I'll use it from now on for the Golden Cup), they even won the Confed Cup once and lately they were U-17 World Champions (both finals against Brazil).
This doesn't make from them top 10 of the world. But still it's much more than what other world top 20 did.




And mexico right?

these are the games Mexico has played Against France in history:

03-JUN-01 ULSAN (Korea Republic) France vs. Mexico 4:0
31-AUG-96 PARIS (France) France vs. Mexico 2:0
13-JUL-66 LONDON (England) France vs. Mexico 1:1
19-JUN-54 GENEVA (Switzerland) France vs. Mexico 3:2
13-JUL-30 MONTEVIDEO (Uruguay) France vs. Mexico 4:1

Do I need to say more? Mexico has never ever beaten France. So I don’t know how you can make those illogical comparisons. I think your arguments are weak. France might be descending in soccer, but that doesn’t mean Mexico has reached them, or are even better. It doesn’t make sense.
Please don't use my words in order to say that I affirmed that Mexico is
better than France.
I was affirming that France doesn't probably belong to the group of Brazil / Germany / Italy / Argentina, what everybody thought they should after they were taking all tournaments they were participating in the last years.
I consider France top 10, and they're even one of my favorites for 2006.
But the brilliant form that brought them to the top of the top winning consecutively WC, continental title and Confed Cup wasn't to be seen as "normal" as Brazil's same achievements for example.



Argentina is in a really hard group, so who knows if they can make it to the second round. Like you, I strongly agree they will, but I can’t be so sure.
Of course, they have a lot of more chances than Mexico, even if they are in a tougher group.
I'm pretty convinced they will both qualify. I tell you that for sure when my crystal ball is working again.



Finally, I think there isn’t even a point of comparing Mexico to France and Argentina. Even if they don’t make it to the second round next time.
I agree. But a team that never gets good results on the most important stage of world football doesn't deserve to be considered one of the best teams in the world. Otherwise we'll be evaluating football with figure skating methods. Ok. You're allowed to, if you want.



Who knows, maybe in many many years Mexico earns the real privilege to be among the best.

If they keep showing that stability I will soon put them into my "top 10".



Mexico will have to prove that by winning a World Cup maybe twice.

If we want to see them at the level of Brazil / Germany / Italy / Argentina, even once will be enough. We were already considering France up there. But they will have to show also other things.
First of all: they must be feared. Currently they aren't.
I think we won't see this in our life period.



Again, to say a team is among the best in the world you have to consider other variables, such as quality of the players, history, many tournaments, luck, place, etc.
It depends on how many you consider "the best". If this number is as large as 20, subjective analysis aren't perhaps enough.

[PunkguyEG]

For me they are top 20 but not top 10. So it depends on what you consider "top".

Hey Ronni you didn't get what i was trying to say.... you have to pick the sample randomly, not the last 3 or 5 WCs. Also,it is never going to be the current situation, because usually by the time of the 3rd WC there's going to be a completely whole different team, maybe better, maybe worse. You can never be sure of this. It is true that mexico has been improving, but you never know they may be back to sucking real bad again in the future. By the way I agree that mexico can be in the top 20 best teams, but not in the top 10.


you don't consider any argument that backs the fact that Mexico is top 6 in America or top 20 in the World ....

If you read my previous posts, I always said that third place in america could be for anybody in south america (including Mexico), except for Bolivia, Ecuador, and Venezuela. So I really don't hace any problems to put MExico among the best 6 in america. I just don't like those mexicans that think they are better than everybody else. Not even the real good teams are that arrogant.

... Anyways im tired of this topic, im going to take a few days vacation. I'll be back tho.. :lol: :D

:smoking:

[PunkguyEG]

get out of here then :smoking:

I was refering to you, not everybody else... :D :smoking:

[PunkguyEG]

I was just watching the Fox soccer news. They were talking about la copa suramericana and the 2nd final in la bombonera argentina. Some pumas young defender was being interviewed and he was saying he never thought he would be playing against boca and marking palermo. He said he feels confident they are going to win in la bombonera and that he is "currently equal or better than palermo." (at the same time showing this attitude like if it was nothing).

:faint2: I was just like Incredible!!!. I don't know what his name is, but that was really arrogant and overconfident. These people have no respect for their opponents. He couldve said he feels confident and that their going to win or whatever, but saying he is individually better than this other guy is just inappropriate. I am sorry if you mexicans think that is alright, but i don't see any other teams talking that much garbage all the time, but just you. Same thing with the National team.

Besides, It is not like their playing against morelia, los chivos, or some other sorry team from their country. It is an international competition that deserves more respect.

That is what I hate about people, in general, Not just Mexicans but for some reason it is always the same. Maybe that is a custom in Mexico, but I don't see other teams talking that much garbage, especially when it is a international competition. In south America everybody respects each other, especially internationally.

[mawin312]

Nope thats not a custom in Mexico. You're just tring to make Mexico look bad. Thats why you posted the same thing in 11 different threads :boo:

[ricoo9]

Nope thats not a custom in Mexico. You're just tring to make Mexico look bad. Thats why you posted the same thing in 11 different threads :boo:

the truth is what is making mexico look bad, not anyone else

[RojINeGrO5051]

u net warriors just vent all ur hate on the internet cause u know if u say that shit to mexican on the street most likely he will whoop ur ass :sick:
:sad: :lol: :sad:

[PunkguyEG]

u net warriors just vent all ur hate on the internet cause u know if u say that shit to mexican on the street most likely he will whoop ur ass :sick:
:sad: :lol: :sad:

No midget is gonna "whoop my ass" for saying the truth. If you were resonable enoguh you would understand and "maybe" agree to what why say. We are not insulting anybody, we are just saying mexico is not the super team you guys claim to be.

[RojINeGrO5051]

No midget is gonna "whoop my ass" for saying the truth. If you were resonable enoguh you would understand and "maybe" agree to what why say. We are not insulting anybody, we are just saying mexico is not the super team you guys claim to be.
admit it u hate us with the passion :lol:

[PunkguyEG]

admit it u hate us with the passion :lol:


:lol: w/e, if you say so... :lol:

[RojINeGrO5051]

:lol: w/e, if you say so... :lol:
:lol: so sad :lol:

[RojINeGrO5051]

any who since this is about mexican histrory heres a website of the tercera division ncase u homies want to check up on our developing talent :yo:


http://www.terceradivision.com.mx/principal.htm

[Ese_Guy]

Thanks for the link!

[ricoo9]

any who since this is about mexican histrory heres a website of the tercera division ncase u homies want to check up on our developing talent :yo:


http://www.terceradivision.com.mx/principal.htm

Who the hell cares? :lol:

[RojINeGrO5051]

:ronaldo:
Who the hell cares? :lol:
not a stupid payaso like u :lol: or do you :drum:

[Ese_Guy]

Who the hell cares? :lol:You don't have to say it, but it really seems like you do.

[PunkguyEG]

any who since this is about mexican histrory heres a website of the tercera division ncase u homies want to check up on our developing talent :yo:


http://www.terceradivision.com.mx/principal.htm

This is ridiculous

[RojINeGrO5051]

This is ridiculous
mmmmmmmmmmmmm ok :rolleyes: