Maribor vs. Dinamo

[FCBBarcaAjax]

Sem pristaš Maribora, in mislim, da razumete kaj vam pravim.
Torej kaj mislite, kdo bo zmagal, strelci, vzdušje etccc...

English version;
What do you think about prequalifying match Maribor vs. Dinamo. Emotions will probably be on top of them. The croation-slovenian derbies have allways been something special. What do you think about atmosphere, will there be any nake-ass-showing, throwing(i dont kknow the wright name)baklas, running all over the fields, beatting security personel etc...

You cah also colaborate-participate in maribor section!

[Super Croat]

Sem pristaš Maribora, in mislim, da razumete kaj vam pravim.
Torej kaj mislite, kdo bo zmagal, strelci, vzdušje etccc...

English version;
What do you think about prequalifying match Maribor vs. Dinamo. Emotions will probably be on top of them. The croation-slovenian derbies have allways been something special. What do you think about atmosphere, will there be any nake-ass-showing, throwing(i dont kknow the wright name)baklas, running all over the fields, beatting security personel etc...

You cah also colaborate-participate in maribor section!

No one is really talking about the game. One problem may be that people are waiting to see what kind of team Dinamo will have ready for this match up. If it's what they have now then Maribor may win this....if they pick up some better players then Maribor is gong to have a very tough time.

[Super Croat]

After what happened yesterday between BBB and Grobari during a "friendly" match... I would expect it just a sign of things to come between Viole and BBB.

Maribor better brace its self. I have a feeling it is going to be ugly...

[Super Croat]

Well the first leg score 1-1 was a good result for both teams...I guess?

There sure seems to have been a lot of security and a lot of Slovene women falling in love with Croatian men...

[Super Croat]

Dinamo win with a 3-2 agg. and now have to face Dynamo in the next round. Andre Mijatovic(sp) looks to be a good signing and possibly a NT player in the near future.

Cibalia got thrashed in Inter Toto Cup action by German Club Wolfsberg...

Next week we get to see Hajduk play. :)

[tok87]

True....Mijatovic is a good sign, but not 4 football, but 4 HANDBALL!!! :mad2:

You passed just because of the reff. Maribor overplayed u!

[dinamovac11]

Dinamo hit the post 4 times during the two games and even Maribor's coach admitted that Dinamo were the better team.

In two days Dinamo Zagreb will be in the CL.http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/aetsch/cheeky-smiley-030.gif

[Drulic]

u really counting on that D11?

It'll be tough to turn the initial result into a positive one for Dinamo especially if Kiev manage to find the net. RS came closest to CL against the same team, keeping them at 0-0 over there and giving up the lead in Belgrade to lose it on away goals (1-1).

Who are Dinamo's main players currently and are the fans preparing sth special for this match?

[dinamovac11]

Chances are about 25-30% for us to go through.

If we didn't concede in the last 10 mins in kiev we would be in a great position. A super position actually. But all 3 goals were silly mistakes that unexperienced teams make. eg ball watching!!

If we score early in Zagreb then we have a chance. We lost almost all of last years starting line up. This is a really really young team Average age is about 22-23 which for CL is probably too young. We have a 19 and a 20 year old running the show in midfield. Much like CZ at the moment. It would be incredible if we made the CL with this team.

Best players are Kranjcar, Eduardo Da Silva, Mitu, Mijatovic and Agic. Kranjcar and Da Silva you should hear alot from in the next few years. Ante Tomic is also a good young midfielder who should make a nice a career for himself.

The club said that they will not sell their young players for 2-3 years and Kranjcar said that he will not leave until another 2 years. It is easy to say now but when the big money comes then we will see what happens.

BBB are preparing a koreo. which they say will be something special. We will see. This has never been a strong point for BBB but then again they never really tried seriously until the Maribor game.

[Drulic]

Inexperience often the cause of both our nations failures in Europe, if only we had the financial means to keep a side together for at least 3 years.

3 foreigners among your best players, what do BBB think about this? at RS they're not wanted by the fans and in recent years those who did play for us weren't popular, even a guy like Acimovic who is Slovenian of Serbian descent never became a star at Marakana.

BBB and a koreography :D, should be good, be sure to post some pictures whenever they come out.

[dinamovac11]

Who are the 3? Mitu and Da Silva are foreigners out of the players I mentioned. Sedloski, Cesar, Kwedi, Bartolovic, Mujcin are the other foreigners in the squad. I personally don't care as long as every player gives their all for the club.

Sedloski, Mujcin and Mitu put in more than most of the Croatians who have passed through the club over the last few years. Sad but true. Mujcin has played 300 games and Sedloski has played 200. Those two are huge crowd favourites, especially Sedloski.

Da Silva has been at the club since he was 16 so he is like a dinamovac. Same goes for Kwedi and Cesar who came through the youth ranks.

I would rather a foreigner like Sedloski who tries and loves the club than someone like Olic and Balaban who even if they are Croatian just played there to be sold at a higher price.

As for BBB. This is what they did against maribor. Not bad for their first real shot at it.....even if the stadium was half empty. From what I heard tonights will involve some kind of huge flag.

http://bbb.globalnet.hr/03-04/2003_dinamo-maribor_4.jpg

[Drulic]

My bad, I assumed Jasmin Agic was Bosnian. ;)

I understand what you're saying and it is your right of course, but I'm of the school of let's say Athletic de Bilbao where only basques are fielded, it's a great tradition and they've achieved much while doing so. It has a certain charm.

From what I understand about BBB, they have many different religions and nationalities among their ranks, i.e. jews, croatians of hungarian descent etc, correct me if I'm wrong. This would for me explain their lenient view on foreigners in the team, I think torcida thinks differently about this..

It's tough to do a successfull koreography with only half of the stadium filled, so I assume BBB only uses 'sjever' for their koreo?

Not too bad, still there's much room for improvement, anyway beats the 'grobar' attempt against Newcastle where tuzni front boycotted it. :)

[dinamovac11]

Yeah I like Athletic Bilbao aswell. It is great how they do that.

But I wouldn't say CZ is like that. Look at the team that won the Euro Cup. It wasn't exactly Serb. I know it was still Yugoslavia at that point but still.. You also signed some Brasilians a few years ago if I am not mistaken.

Apparently there is a jew and a muslim or something in the BBB prva ekipa. I really couldn't care less. Any fans want there players to fight for the shirt and BBB are the same no matter where they are from. We also have alot of local kids aswell and a local coach who not that long ago used to cheer the team from the sjever. So it is still very much a team of Croatians, Zagrebcani and dinamovci.

Torcida are no different I don't think. Of course you will get people in the stands who don't like any foreigners but I think that is a minority....in my opinion anyway.

That is the first time I have really seen a BBB koreo of this type. Most of the time they have been flare shows and so on. I personally don't like this type of thing. Big flags are ok but not holding up pieces of cardboard. I would rather see flags, scarves and hear the fans cheer for 90 mins. That is what BBB have always been known for and they should stick to it.

Delije have made some nice ones in the past but from what I understand the uprava would pay for theirs where in Croatia that is unheard of.

[Drulic]

Didn't claim CZ was like that, just said in other words I wouldn't mind seeing such a tradition evolve at RS although it won't happen.

Youth is very important for teams that are financially less fortunate like Dinamo and RS as well. The fact that a great deal of the players are in fact fans/locals is only a plus cause you can be certain they'll give their all for the club.

I prefer scarfs and flags as well, but a beautifully executed koreography before the start of a big match can be pretty amazing to the eye as well.

Yeah the Barca one was financed by the uprava, one of the few good things they've done over this last decade. Still delije aren't dependant on the board like grobari 1970 at P-zan are.

[Drulic]

And so the CL story ends, 0-2, 1-5 total which looks pretty bad on paper, how was the play if you had the chance to watch it D11, again personal errors, did Dinamo dictate the pace?

I also saw a pic of the koreography, well let's just say there's no need for that anymore. :silly:

Oh well, here's to meeting in the later stages of the UEFA Cup. :)

[dinamovac11]

I saw the goals but not the game. I heard Dinamo started off well but in the end it was a pretty routine victory for Kiev. Basically it came down to some very avoidable goals (all 5!!), lack of talent in a few positions and inexperience. All things that can be improved on IF the team isn't sold off.

Apart from the papiri the sjever looked very good. It was full, the big flag was ok, along with the transparenti. All that was needed was a few flags instead of the papiri and it would have been great. From what i heard they sang 90 mins straight, especially at the end and even the media was saying some great stuff which is really rare. As long as they sing that is all that matters. Unlike Torcida who after their team goes down one goal they start yelling "igrajte pederi" and boo the players.

hehe...after this Friday we may have even more things to discuss.

ooo..imagine Dinamo vs Zvezda.:eek:

Didn't claim CZ was like that, just said in other words I wouldn't mind seeing such a tradition evolve at RS although it won't happen.

Yeah, I would like to see it at dinamo aswell (nothing against foreigners) but it would be a more negative than positive thing at the moment. We have enough limitations as it is so you are right that it won't happen.

For it to happen successfully we would have to keep our young players for a long time and also pay players abroad to come back just to put a decent team on the pitch. That means that there will not be enough money for our uprava to steal.;)

Would be great though.

[Super Croat]

Unlike Torcida who after their team goes down one goal they start yelling "igrajte pederi" and boo the players.


D11, don't try to make it out that BBB are better supporters than the Torcida. Torcida have a much better reputation through out Europe and you never hear stories of Torcida throwning bottles at women in Milan, tearing up Maribor or jumping on a field in some little Swiss village stadium during a "friendly" game.

Torcida have a 53 year history of standing by Hajduk and formed as a true supporter group. The BBB started as an Ultras group with a strong hooligan backing....

:)

[dinamovac11]

hehe...53 years and taking lessons from a group that was formed less than 20 years ago.:silly:

[Drulic]

:D

D11, although I respect your opinion, BBB doesn't even come close to torcida, who I rated to be among the best 3 fangroups in the former Sugoslav republic.

Nowadays harder times have arrived for them but just look at the size of let's say a torcida zagreb, to realise their popularity in Croatia.

Dinamo and Varteks with do-able draws, 'ajduk will have a harder job with Grasshoppers and Kamen Ingrad can enjoy their 1 home game in Europe cause it'll be their last for this season. That's how I see it anyway, your thoughts?

[dinamovac11]

Torcida Zagreb (if it exists) are all dalmatinci who come to Zagreb to study. They are not Zagrepcani. Whenever there is a derby in Zagreb it is mostly these people that go, not from Split.

In the former Yug then Torcida was ahead but if you were to look at things currently then BBB is ahead. Torcida have become very unorganised. There is more BBB at away games than Torca and if I had to pick between fans who cheer their team to the very end or boo them once they start losing then I know who I would pick.

[Super Croat]

If you call making a giant poster of a pig in a hajduk shirt a lesson...

The BBB usually get drowned out from the signing by a smaller group of Torcida inside Maksimir. Well that's what I remember the last time I went to a game in '94. But then we had a team that could compete with the best in Europe.;)

[dinamovac11]

Yeah and if you call "jebem te dinamo" during the Haka game good cheering then ok.

hehe...Torcida adimitted to getting drowned out a few seasons ago by 2,000 BBB's. What makes it even scarier is that Hajduk actually won the game.:silly: