French Traitors! Mugabe so happy!

[Eyal Berkovic]

I cannot describe how outraged I was when I saw on TV that handshake! I was horrified and saddened that lessons have not been learned from history. France are the traitors of Europe and I am ashamed to be living so close to them.
I saw a documentry on TV that showed how Zimbabwe is threatened by drought. On the same documentry it showed how Mugabe seized one of his farms. Crops were burnt and these thugs who are supposed to be war veterens but were no more than 20 went on wanten destruction of and looted the farm houses. the farmer was beaten by baseball bat but got off lucky as others have been murdered! Aid is going to the Country but Mugabe is making sure none of it is going to areas where people did not vote for him. Children are starving while he has plundered millions from this once beautiful and affluent Country. He is a Fascist dictator in every sense of the word except he is black. His rule is absolute. He even fiddled the vote but got away with it. Then he had his rival arrested for treason, while the World and more importantly his fellow dictators from Africa. The EU imposed a ban on Mugabe visiting Europe but the French broke this agreement. Chirac is a law unto himself and is a disgrace! Britain should pull out of Europe now! If I was PM I would lobby Parliament now.

[ItalianBoy]

Ma Vaffanculo.

[INTER_MILAN14]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
Ma Vaffanculo.

d'accordo...

[Eyal Berkovic]

So you think your clever.

Fottiti che cazzo stai dicendo?

[Wolfie]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
Ma Vaffanculo.


Migliora il tuo Inglese?

[ItalianBoy]

Il mio inglese e' perfetto, Grazie.
I just dont get how you can say that France is a traitor! Its so Stupid! France has their BIZNEZ! like you have in this war. only think is that you need oil and to get it you need war whereas France gets their big part of oil from Iraq. So now since the USa dn ENg come and decided to declre war we all have to do it?
Get real. I am with getting Saddam out and destroy his weapons but I disagree with a war.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
I am with getting Saddam out and destroy his weapons but I disagree with a war.

As am I, but how would you suggest we get Saddam out and destroy his weapons? A hallmark card and a "pretty please"?

[ItalianBoy]

Of course not.
But I mean he is not that only dictator that we don’t like, so now why don’t we get in war with lets say Cuba? Or North Korea. If the law as to be same then it should be the same for everyone. Saddam has not used these weapons in 12 years. And to me it all seems so sudden. After Sept 11. I was for getting all this Muslims folks that did that to the USA etc.
So we go to Afghan, cool, after this, the USA seems to have failed the prime object to get Bin Laden, and all of a sudden the turn into Saddam. I don’t know, it seems strange.
I agree, get saddam out soon. Snipe him whatever. Clean up Iraq and all, but War seems to me the latest answer.
And another thing, The USa totally doesn’t care about Un and Nato man. They already sent 75.000 troops to Iraq. I heard the other day that they are ready to invade. Why waste so much time in beaurocrasy? If the USA decided to invade? :rolleyes:
And why do you say Fukk France, if when they say no to a war, you make jokes about them and saying they suck etc. Why do you need their help in the first place? I don’t know. It seems strange. I am with the West side, that’s us, but it all seems blurry now.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
Why waste so much time in beaurocrasy? If the USA decided to invade? :rolleyes:
And why do you say Fukk France, if when they say no to a war, you make jokes about them and saying they suck etc.

We're not wasting time. We're trying to avert a war through diplomatic means. Our troops in the Gulf our putting pressure on Iraq to comply. There presence alone is important.

France is concerned with their own interests in this matter and not just peace.

[HULK HOGAN]

Originally posted by BLAUGRANA
As am I, but how would you suggest we get Saddam out and destroy his weapons? A hallmark card and a "pretty please"?



Hallmarks are nice cards though, its worth a try.

[Mate]

Originally posted by BLAUGRANA
We're not wasting time. We're trying to avert a war through diplomatic means.

Great diplomacy, I must say:

Blix: "Destroy the missiles or you are guilty."
Bush: "He's guilty anyway."
Sadam: "Then I'll not destroy the missiles."
Blix: "See? He doesn't want to destroy the missles, so there's no doubt that he's guilty."
Bush: That's what I'm saying all the time!

For me Bush is an idiot, but (unfortunatelly) I can't deny that he is very successfull.

When you are emperor of the Earth (as he is) and 92 out of 100 of people in your empire oppose your plans, you must be pretty smart if you manage to suceed with your plans without any serious consequences for your position at the throne.

[ItalianBoy]

Anyone saw Jay Leno a couple of nites ago? He had as a guest Dennis Miller. Man do I hate that SOB. He is so dull! And is really the type of American I hate in all senses. He is full of shit.
:rolleyes:

[Severus]

Originally posted by Mate
Great diplomacy, I must say:

Blix: "Destroy the missiles or you are guilty."
Bush: "He's guilty anyway."
Sadam: "Then I'll not destroy the missiles."
Blix: "See? He doesn't want to destroy the missles, so there's no doubt that he's guilty."
Bush: That's what I'm saying all the time!

For me Bush is an idiot, but (unfortunatelly) I can't deny that he is very successfull.

When you are emperor of the Earth (as he is) and 92 out of 100 of people in your empire oppose your plans, you must be pretty smart if you manage to suceed with your plans without any serious consequences for your position at the throne.

diplomacy IS, creating resolution after resolution after resolution only for hussein to continue breaking every resolution since the end of the gulf war.

yet we'll give him another one. this way he can buy more time :rolleyes:

[Wolfie]

Italianboy it was'nt me with the original remark on France I was just wondering what you were on about!
I agree that there is more than one dictator in the world. Many of them have been mentioned in this thread.
Saddam is a very dangerous person and this threat of war has little to do with oil. The very threat of military action could and maybe will depose Saddam much to the relief of the Far East and the Iraqi people themselves. If it comes to actual war then it is so. It must be completed as effectively as possible so that a construction of a stable democratic government and society may begin.
There is so much unjustified American feeling being spread around that it sometimes amazes me that the U.S.A. does not become isolationist and say stuff the rest of the world. God help us all if that happened. If the U.S.A. and the U.K. (Not England) go to war then it is to make a better world for everyone. Ask the people of Kuwait.
The cost of the war will not be measured in dollars or pounds sterling ( or oil) but in American and British lives sacrificed to protect peoples freedom. Yes, Freedom it never come cheap.

[Severus]

right and that's what i'm for personally. saddam hussein doesn't pose any threat to me or my countrymen therefore i don't need him to be shot dead and p1ssed on before i can sleep easier at night. his gas he can keep for all i care. we only import only 15-20% of iraqi oil anyway.

i do feel for the iraqis living under such ruthless tyranny. it's a shame that any one human being be exposed to husseins archaic repressive regime especially now in the 21st century. which is why i am for his removal being voluntary or forced. some'll call me pro-war, i'd like to refer to myself as pro-democracy and the implication that everyone should have the right to choose.

concerning the US's interests though don't fool yourself. a lot if not most of it probably has everything to do with it. i have my own motives though. compounded by a deep, decade old hatred for the scumbag of course :)

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Severus
diplomacy IS, creating resolution after resolution after resolution only for hussein to continue breaking every resolution since the end of the gulf war.

yet we'll give him another one. this way he can buy more time :rolleyes:

Exactly. This Mate fellow just must be too daft to see that Bush is using diplomatic means. If he wanted to attack Iraq without at least attempting diplomatic means, he would have done so already.

[Mate]

Originally posted by Severus
diplomacy IS, creating resolution after resolution after resolution only for hussein to continue breaking every resolution since the end of the gulf war.


Then what are the Israelis doing? Breaking resolution after resolution all the time since 1967 or 1948 or I don't know when. And instead of millions of bombs they get millions of dollars for that.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Mate
Then what are the Israelis doing? Breaking resolution after resolution all the time since 1967 or 1948 or I don't know when. And instead of millions of bombs they get millions of dollars for that.

And I suppose the Palestinians haven't broken any agreements they've agreed to? Arafat doesn't even know what he's doing. He signed the Oslo Accords and didn't even know what he was signing because he's so daft. So what happens, they break the treaty. Besides, this is a different discussion about an entirely different issue.

[Mate]

Originally posted by BLAUGRANA
And I suppose the Palestinians haven't broken any agreements they've agreed to?

So the Americans haven't as well? Just to remind you of the ABM treaty. Or the Kyoto protocol. OK, the latter was not yet ratified from the USA, but they promised to ratify it.

Blaugrana, I am not

- an anti-American
- an anti-zionist
- a Muslim
- a communist
- of Arab origin

but I simply feel - like millions around the world - that the US foreign policy is far from just and fair. As I've already said before in some other topic, it is not a priori wrong that some country acts as a world policeman - provided she acts reasonably just. Most of Europe doesn't think so of the present USA goverment. That's why we don't like it, and not because Saddam bribed us.

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[Severus]

Originally posted by Mate
Then what are the Israelis doing? Breaking resolution after resolution all the time since 1967 or 1948 or I don't know when. And instead of millions of bombs they get millions of dollars for that.

HOLD IT don't you ever put me in this situation again matey where i have to defend the israelis cos you're questioning the wrong guy. i am probably one of their most staunchest critics on this site.

what are the israelis doing though you asked ? whatever they can under the umbrella of the US obviously.

[ItalianBoy]

What wrong with those dudes!?
Anyway, I feel that the USA is yes too hated for no reasons at times. Still, in this case, I really did not like remarks by people like Miller, and many like him think it the same way.

[barça]

Originally posted by Mate
I simply feel - like millions around the world - that the US foreign policy is far from just and fair. As I've already said before in some other topic, it is not a priori wrong that some country acts as a world policeman - provided she acts reasonably just. Most of Europe doesn't think so of the present USA goverment. That's why we don't like it, and not because Saddam bribed us.

I make promises to myself to stay away from this type of discussions, having lived in may countries and experienced both the good and tha bad of them.

BUT..

Tell me the country which you think has a foreign policy that is JUST AND FAIR There are none.

The Spanish have kept islands from Africa that don't belong to them, The English, let me not get into that. The French? Please.... Every country looks out for their best interest. Don't you think that what China is trying to do with Taiwain is kind of the same crap? Place a regime change?

The game changed when fanatics slamed into civilians deliberately. Once they did that, the USA had no choice but to declare WAR and start pre-emptive strikes.

Again, my point is that there are NO countries with just and fair foerign policies. Please don't say the Swiss, they kept all that jewish gold for the germans in their banks.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by barça
I make promises to myself to stay away from this type of discussions, having lived in may countries and experienced both the good and tha bad of them.

BUT..

Tell me the country which you think has a foreign policy that is JUST AND FAIR There are none.

The Spanish have kept islands from Africa that don't belong to them, The English, let me not get into that. The French? Please.... Every country looks out for their best interest. Don't you think that what China is trying to do with Taiwain is kind of the same crap? Place a regime change?

The game changed when fanatics slamed into civilians deliberately. Once they did that, the USA had no choice but to declare WAR and start pre-emptive strikes.

Again, my point is that there are NO countries with just and fair foerign policies. Please don't say the Swiss, they kept all that jewish gold for the germans in their banks.

Exactly. What did he or anyone else expect my government to do? Say: "Oh, we deserved that." NO country is squeaky clean and as far as the US is concerned, I'd say we're better than most. I am not happy with my government's reaction to 9/11 though. Our civil liberties in the US are eroding as a result and we're spending billions on security that I'm not sure will necessarily help. As for Iraq, I don't want to go to war with them. As for now, we're not doing anything wrong and our governments pressure is getting that tyrant Saddam to disarm.