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seka
06-14-2000, 10:53 PM
Hello to you all, I am a Slovenian and this is my first visit in Jugo section.

I didn't want to come here before because there was a lot of political stuff going on and I didn't want to participate in it. Since then, the spirits calmed down, I guess it was only a nervousis before the first game. After the game, a lot of you guys came to SLO section and to judge by your replies there, I say you do have a lot of honesty and class.

The conversation went a couple of levels higher. The insults and politics were gone, nationalism aswell. Let us talk in peace, with arguments. Our opinions as fans are different and that's the beauty of forums - to exchange them in a civilised manner.

I came here and first I read all the recent topics. There's lots of them and I'd have to make 30 replies, so I opened another one to sum it all up...

I want to say all the topics contain especially reasonable replies from Mihajlovic, Grobar, Ivan, AusDelija and BBB (considering it's easier for him to say, cause he's not personally involved, he got the gist of that game anyway), I am sorry if I forgot somebody else, but these guys make the most replies, so...

I also point out that all the topics show some incredibly intolerant and hostile remarks from Mrs Stankovic, they also don't contribute anything or strike with intelligency, since they're made of insults and carry no support or respect to both Jugo and Slovene teams and individuals.


I'd like to share my opinions with you now. It was no doubt the best game of the tournament so far and it is likely that most of the games to come won't get any better than this one. It had it all, the goals, the pace, emotion, the cards, the drama and the symbolics.

Slovenija was the "key team", because we enforced our game upon Juga from the 1st minute, we didn't let Juga play their game. The whole game was about Slovenia - it was us who "directed" it, good or bad. The argument about Juga playing good for 10 mins and now it's Brazil, is really no more than a fan's wish, since it wasn't Juga who was good, it was Slovenia who was damn lousy and scared of the great success.

It was us who stopped you and it was us who let you come back. There was no great Jugo game, otherwise, it would last (you can't say somebody played 10 minutes of great game, it's a paradox - football takes 20 mins to actually see how is a team playing, what's their system, where id their main strength and weakness, etc). It was simply our inexperience and tiredness (Like in tennis, where sometimes the opponent wins because of your mistakes and not because of him being that good). But of course, I am by no means denying that, it takes a great team to take advantage of and to capitalise on the opponent's mistakes, especially in succha short period of time.

It hurts me when some of you don't realize it was actually Slovenia who didn't let Juga play, who controlled the whole game. Like you were absolutely blind or so egocentric... Some of you blame Boskov to be an idiot, others blame some players (even though Mijatovic, Mihajlovic and Stankovic were really bad)... When in fact, it was the TEAM who did it for us, and the TEAM who didn't do it for you. Some of you just can't get that, especially Mrs Stankovic. I think only Mihajlovic spotted that... and BBB.

Our goals were the result of our great play, of the pressure we put on Juga, they were all "hanging in the air" all through the game, because we were better. Half the time, Juga could be on vacation and noone would notice they had left. Your goals were somehow a surprise, well-deserved and cooly executed, but a surprise. That surprise got the power of becoming a shock for us, if they were no surprise, there'd be no shock people... They were not a product of your great (Brazilian?) game, they were a product of our pompousness and lack of concentration - the results of our inexperience and tiredness - that you cold bloodly took advantage of, especially after that first goal of Juga (which was kinda lucky).

What happened there was a switch of mentality, we got the Jugo one (yeah, guys, they're dead, it's over, relax,...) and you the Slovene one (let's fight now, here's our chance, we can still make it...). Your players and coach at the bench were jumping like they were Euro champions... I mean cmon people, did you ever seriously think you'd be jumping skyhigh because you gave a goal to Slovenia? That's our mentality. Whereas Zahovic at his 2nd was dancing like, hehe, they suck... Balkan mentality can't win anything...

All there is, Yuga showed everybody that it's not a team to underestimate at ANY time, so nobody should sign them off at this stage. Slovenia aswell.

Two other things about the game - the referee was the best, made almost no mistakes and we should really hope to have such refs all the time. It was a fair game. Also, there were more SLO fans then Jugo fans - and I only am going into this since sbd said that's because more Slovenes live in Belgium or NL than Jugos, which I consider to be a totally wrong and stupid argument. The true argument is there are milions of Jugos in Germany alone... and there are only some 0.5 milion of Slovenes all over Europe... I can only say if the circumstancies were perfect, there'd be at least 15.000 Jugos per game.


For the end, a little advice - if you care to take it: stop searching for "traitors", "idiots", etc. in your team and realize everyone can have a bad day. What shouldn't be allowed is egocentrism. No wonder you don't have a homogene team if everybody starts acting Balkan-like. It is a test for your so front-paged "greatness" to put yourselves together as a TEAM, since nobody every denied your individual abilities. I hope you succeed, I don't want to see any more Norweggian or Spanish football than necessary...


Peace and god bless you all.

Luka
06-14-2000, 11:49 PM
Nice one seka, you sure know how to use words.

JuNkY
06-14-2000, 11:59 PM
Hello Seka! i have no idea what's going to happen to us in the next 2 games, if we continue to play like we did in the first 65 minutes....it just takes a greater effort from all the players to win a game at this level....i think that SLO played a great first 65 minutes, but the burned out during that period....SLO played bad defense, while YUG didn't play defense at all....oh well, i just hope that SLO continues to play this well against Spain and Norway....i think that Norway will finish at the first place....while Spain or YUG will finish second....

Mihajloviç
06-15-2000, 01:19 AM
This game was a loss to us, although some people call it a win...yes it was a win if you look at the comeback, but a definate loss for the result. If anybody would have told me that Yugo would tie with Slo 3:3 before the game I would have laughed, but at the end I was happy it ended up that way. Slovenia deserves the credit, very fast plays, always dangerous upfront and you cannot let them take shots or they will convert them, although I must say I did not know what side Kralj was playing for. Sometimes I saw him as a striker for Slovenia and a goalie for yugo.
Well anyway, this is going to be a hell of a lot struggle for us in the next few games.
Seka, Mrs.Stankovic was just angry about the result, I am sure she is a person we can all talk with normally, right Mrs.Stankovic ? :p

seka
06-15-2000, 03:55 AM
You made an interesting point, Mihajlovic, on which I agree: The result for you is a loss and the way it turned out, it's a win.
For us, vice versa goes: The result is a win, but it feels somehow bitter.

And I also see Norway to go to the 1/4 finals, which is just sad, since their football is the most boring one and kills the game. They should be banned from Euro for aestethical reasons (joke!).

I don't like Spain either, they are afraid to take risks and that costed them. I hope they change their mind and take risks against SLO - I hope it'll cost them, too, so they'd end up all mixted as hell (again, hehe). Remember France98? When Spain woke up, it was too late already, and then they KILLED those Bulgarians - but it didn't count anymore...

By the way, I hope Mrs Stankovic really was affected by the game. I mean, I know I was - so I rather didn't come to the forum immediatelly, since I was full of tears and sorrow and pissed off. Games do that to people.

But did you hear what Savo said? "We must sit down now at the same table and talk things out. Straight, with no more deceival and no more lies. Because this must not happen again." I respect that fine player a lot, he is not blind and his eyes opened.

Jokanovic: "After 0:3 I wanted to disappear from the surface of Earth. More of this attitude and we're going home soon."

Piksi: "If there is a team to complain after this game, it's Slovenia. They should've won it. They got the lead, but pulled back and panicked, that costed them."


Boskov quite the contrary: "We hade a world-famous player sent off. We're a great team. They didn't listen to me at first, but then ... blabla bla blabla." Like nothing happened. Nema problema, mi smo najbolji. HELLO? After Boskov's answers I completely realized what Savo was thinking when he calmly stated his upper words...

If anybody is interested I'll write down some of the answers of our players, too.

seka
06-15-2000, 04:33 AM
http://www.dailysoccer.com/news/picture/done/20000615/mdf99231.html

seka
06-15-2000, 04:36 AM
http://www.dailysoccer.com/news/picture/done/20000615/mdf99231.html

seka
06-15-2000, 04:41 AM
http://www.dailysoccer.com/news/picture/done/20000615/mdf99231.jpg

:(

red star forever
06-15-2000, 04:53 AM
Boskov is crazy, we need Ivica Osim... :(

Ivan
06-15-2000, 05:14 AM
Hey it could be worse - our coach could be Ciro Blazevic :p

AusDelija
06-15-2000, 05:50 AM
First of all....Are you crazy or what ?

haha AusDelija, what a funny question. :D

I told you guys Boskov is no good, he is old, he doesnt realize what's going on around him. He put Stankovic on the wrong position, it was like playing with 10 players...well actually 9, with Dudic completely sucking on the left side lol

Yes, I've read it all seka, quite a few times that Savo said that and others too. There have been a lot of fights between players after the game.

I wish they would send Boskov back to yugo, give him some Tea, cookies , and let him rest on his $50,000 couch because I really think he is the worst coach we could have picked.

THIS MESSAGE ABOVE IS A MESSAGE BY MIHAJLOVIC, I WANTED TO CLICK THE QUOTE BUTTON, AND ACCIDENTLY CLICKED EDIT AND POSTED MY MESSAGE. SORRY AUSDELIJA.
[This message has been edited by Mihajlovic (edited 15 June 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Mihajlovic (edited 15 June 2000).]

Mihajloviç
06-15-2000, 07:52 AM
AusDelija, I deeply apologize , I wanted to quote you with this line , but I pressed the edit button and wrote my message in it, and now it's all changed, I hope you dont get mad, and post your message again! HAHAHAHAHA, I am so clumsy...again , THIS MESSAGE THAT YOU SEE WITH AUSDELIJA'S NAME, IS MY MESSAGE.

SORRY AUS!

haha AusDelija, what a funny question.

I told you guys Boskov is no good, he is old, he doesnt realize what's going on around him. He put Stankovic on the wrong position, it was like playing with 10 players...well actually 9, with Dudic completely sucking on the left side lol

Yes, I've read it all seka, quite a few times that Savo said that and others too. There have been a lot of fights between players after the game.

I wish they would send Boskov back to yugo, give him some Tea, cookies , and let him rest on his $50,000 couch because I really think he is the worst coach we could have picked.

[This message has been edited by Mihajlovic (edited 15 June 2000).]

AusDelija
06-15-2000, 09:33 AM
Ma nema problema covece! :)

I freaked at first but then read what you wrote....its cool.hahahaa

seka
06-15-2000, 05:35 PM
Could some of you answer to this?

What will be the final outlook of the Group C? The points?

Let us try to be smart BEFORE, not AFTER, right?

seka
06-15-2000, 05:56 PM
I read the Blic net site, interesting. Here's some of the foreign press:


Tuje agencije o tekmi Slovenija-ZRJ: "Noro, noro, noro!"


JUNIJ 15, BRUSELJ - Slovenska nogometna reprezentanca, ki je največji outsider evropskega prvenstva (EP) v Belgiji in na Nizozemskem, je z remijem (3:3), ki ga je iztržila na torkovi prvi tekmi na EP v njeni zgodovini v dvoboju z ZR Jugoslavijo, pripravila eno največjih presenečenj na dosedanjih EP, samo tekmo pa opisujejo kot najbolj spektakularno doslej na EP, kot "noro, noro, noro..." Slovenija je najmanjša nacija, ki se je uvrstila na dosedanje zaključne turnirje EP.
In kaj in kako so o tekmi poročale:

AFP: Francoska tiskovna agencija AFP je v naslovu tekmo označila za "noro, noro, noro". Tekma je bila pravo nasprotje tiste med Norveško in Španijo: nepredvidljiva, sproščena, sapo jemajoča, polna preobratov in negotova do zadnje sekunde. Jugoslavija je uspela izenačiti proti nadarjeni Sloveniji, ki pa ji manjka izkušenj. Slovenci so v začetku nasprotnike presenetili s svojo hitrostjo, tako da so bili slednji prisiljeni strniti vrste. Njihova iskriva igra je varovancem Vujadina Boškova povzročala muke. Po izenačenem začetku so Slovenci izkoristili živčnost Jugoslovanov in luknje v njihovi obrambi ter v 23. minuti odprli priložnost za gol svojega "malega čudeža" Zlatka Zahoviča. Jugoslovani so bili nemočni ob permutacijah nasprotnikov. Malo po začetku drugega polčasa so Slovenci zabili nov žebelj prek Mirana Pavlina, pet minut zatem pa se je nadaljeval "festival Zahovič", ki je s svojim drugim golom dal misliti, da je Jugoslovanom zadal smrtni udarec. Tudi izključitev Siniše Mihajloviča je nakazovala, da je Jugoslovanom odbila ura, vendar so očitno ti prav v tem trenutku odločili poskrbeti za preobrat in s tem upravičili sloves fantastičnega moštva. Tema je postala popolnoma nora. V sedmih minutah so Jugoslovani okamenelim Slovencem nasuli tri gole. Po tem preobratu v tekmi se je zdelo vse mogoče, toda rezultat se ni več spremenil. Tudi konec tekme je bil poln priložnosti na obeh straneh in Jugoslavija se je dobro izvlekla, še posebej ob zadnji priložnosti Milinoviča, sklene AFP.

DPA: Novinarji nemške tiskovne agencije DPA očitno še vedno niso razčistili s skupno preteklostjo obeh držav, saj se v njihovih zapisih za Slovenijo vztrajno pojavlja naziv "manjši brat", ki pa je tokrat večji del tekme povsem nadigral svoje nekdanje učitelje nogometa. Poleg obeh zadetkov Zahoviča seveda omenjajo tudi drugega strelca slovenske izbrane vrste Mirana Pavlina, ki si je doslej kruh služil prav v Nemčiji pri zdaj že nekdanjemu drugoligaši Karlsruheju. Jugoslovani v prvem polčasu niso pokazali ničesar, tekmo pa so resno vzeli šele s prihodom 35-letnega veterana Dragana Stojkoviča, ki je vendarle vnesel nekaj več kreativnosti v njihovo igro. Zaostanek z 0:3 in izključitev Siniše Mihajloviča sta Sloveniji že skoraj prinesla senzacionalno zmago v njihovem prvem nastopu na EP, potem pa so v šestih minutah prejeli tri zadetke. DPA kljub temu poudarja, da so se Slovenci ob koncu tekme še enkrat zbrali in le malo je manjkalo, da bi v doslej najzanimivejšem srečanju Eura 2000 še enkrat presenetili reprezentanco, sestavljeno iz Srbov in Črnogorcev, ki je v svojem prvem nastopu na EP po 16 letih pokazala veliko pomanjkljivosti.

APA: Avstrijska tiskovna agencija (APA) svoje poročilo začenja z navedbo, da je bila tekma najdramatičnejša na tem EP. "Slovenija je s štirimi avstrijskimi legionarji (igralci avstrijskih klubov Milanič-Sturm, Čeh-GAK, Milinovič in Udovič-oba LASK) po dveh zadetkih zvezdnika Zahoviča in Pavlina povedla s 3:0, na koncu pa se je morala zadovoljiti s točko. Veliki favoriti Jugoslovani so dosegli tri gole v pičlih šestih minutah." Po mnenju poročevalca APA je imel dvoboj tudi politični motiv, saj sta bili ekipi v začetku devetdesetih let še v skupni državi. Slovenci so Jugoslovane presenetili z izjemo poletnim in napadalnim začetkom, v katerem so povsem zasenčili vrsto Boškova. Prvi gol je bil prava mojstrovina; po podaji Kariča je Zahovič z mojstrskim strelom z glavo potrdil svojo veliko vrednost. Po izključitvi Mihajloviča so so Slovenci dovolili, da so se Jugoslavani, ki jim tekmec eno uro ni dovolil prikazati svojih potencialov, razigrali. Po izenačujočem zadetku ZRJ pa so Slovenci ponovno zaigrali bolj stabilno. Sledla je izmenjava udarcev, pri kateri so ekipi povsem pozabili na taktiko in koncept igre, obe ekipi pa sta imeli priložnosti za zmagoviti zadetek. "Tekma med malim in veliim bratom se je končala zasluženo neodločeno s 3:3,"je zaključil poročevalec APA.

AP:"Brez enega igralca in po zaostanku z 0:3 je ZR Jugosavija zmogla neverjeten prebrat in v sedmih minutah dvoboja z nekdanjimi rojaki iz Slovenije izenačila na 3:3; slovenski novinci pa so pripravili eno največjih presenečenj v zgodovini EP,"je uvodma zapisala Ameriška tiskovna agencija (AP). Slovenija je presenetila z izjemnim začetkom in je z lahkoto prebijala razglašeno obrambo ZRJ. Tudi v nadaljevanju tekme je reprezentanca, ki je nastala po odhodu iz Jugoslavije leta 1991, presenetila vse skeptike, ki so menili, da ekipa nima dovolj znanja za nastop na EP. Pri tem je poročevalec AP spomnil tudi na prijateljsko tekmo Slovenije s svetovnimi prvaki Francozi, ko so Slovenci v Parizu povedli z 2:0 in na koncu izgubili z 2:3.

Ansa: Italijanska tiskovna agencija Ansa je tekmo med Slovenijo in Jugoslavijo označila za eno izmed najbolj spektakularnih na prvenstvu. Ansa piše, da se je tekma odvijala na pol praznem stadionu v Charleroiju, da pa so bile varnostne razmere na stadionu res izjemne, kot nekakšna generalka pred tekmo med Veliko Britanijo in Nemčijo. Po mnenju Italijanov je Srečko Katanec neodolčen izid sprejel s filozofijo, da je rezultat le "plačilo za neizkušenost, prav zaradi neizkušenosti pa smo podarili Jugoslovanom nekakšna darila, saj sta bila dva jugoslovanska gola smešna." Slovenski trener pa je vseeno zadovoljen, saj je njegova ekipa vseh 60 minut igrala odlično. Katanec upa, da bodo naslednje tekme odigrali prav tako dobro, hkrati pa ne podcenjuje Španije, ki je izgubila proti Norveški. Italijani menijo, da je za Zahoviča, ki je bil proglašen za naj boljšega igralca večera, izid boleč. Zlatko bi raje videl, da bi "sam bil najslabši in da bi Slovenija zmagala".

Xinhua: Kitajska tiskovna agencija Xinhua je zapisala, da je ZR Jugoslavija na tekmi s Slovenijo dosegla največji preobrat v zgodovini EP. V šestih minutah so zaostanek z 0:3 pretvorili v remi in se vpisali v zgodovino prvenstev. Slovenija je prvi nastop na EP začela z tremi goli, dva je dosegel zvezdnik Zahovič, pri enem pa je sodeloval kot podajalec. Poročilo so zaključili z izjavama Katanca in Boškova.

Vse objavljeno dokazuje, da je EURO2000 za Slovenija pravi center za njeno promocijo. Zato bi o športu morali resneje razmisliti tudi tisti, ki vodijo slovensko politiko in gospodarstvo./STA


Interesting, too.

seka
06-15-2000, 06:12 PM
Finally, from Slovenska tiskovna agencija:

Amsterdam, 15.06.2000 (STA) Slovenska nogometna reprezentanca je z igro na svoji prvi tekmi evropskega prvenstva pobrala veliko simpatij. To dokazuje prisotnost tujih novinarjev na sredinem treningu. Ta je bil krajši kot običajni, tisti, ki so v torek igrali, so delali le sprostitvene vaje, nekoliko težjo vadbo pa so imeli rezervisti.
Igralci so bili tako več časa na voljo novinarjem, ki se jih je v slovenski hiši kar trlo. Tujci so dobesedno okupirali Zlatka Zahoviča, najboljšega igralca tekme proti ZR Jugoslaviji, medtem ko je slovenskim novinarjem najdlje odgovarjal kapetan moštva Darko Milanič. Eden glavnih mož slovenske obrambe je že strnil vtise po dogajanjih v Charleroiju: ''Zares smo zapravili enkratno priložnost, da zmagamo. Toda to je treba pozabiti in se ozreti naprej. Proti Jugoslovanom nas je pokopalo slabih deset minut. Po fantastičnih 60 minutah je prišlo do blokade, ki bi jo pripisal neizkušenosti. Prepričan sem, da bi bil končni izid drugačen, če sodnik ne bi iz igre poslal Mihajlovića. Po njegovi izključitvi so Jugoslovani zaigrali povsem drugače. Niso preskakovali igre, ni bilo več dolgih žog, začeli so igrati po tleh. V tem pa so največji mojstri. V zadnjem delu so res igrali izvrstno. Mislim, da tudi mi nismo razočarali, čeprav bi morali na vsak način zadržati vodstvo. A po prvem zadetku je začelo iti vse narobe. Preveč smo se pomaknili v obrambo, sredine pa praktično nismo imeli. Prišlo je do panike, posledica katere sta še dva gola.''
Po pogovoru z igralci so novinarji zaslišali tudi selektorja Srečka Katanca. Ta se je nekajkrat znašel v zelo neugodnem položaju, saj je bilo dosti kritik na njegovo vodenje tekme, predvsem na menjave v drugem polčasu. ''Udovič in Pavlin sta padla v ritmu, zato sem jih zamenjal z Ačimovičem in Pavlovičem. Z njima sem želel umiriti igro na sredini, saj predvsem Ačimovič zna zadrževati žogo. No, na žalost je Mile izgledal tako, kot je. Strinjam se, da je igral slabo, toda zaradi tega ga ni treba pribiti na križ. On nam je prinesel te kvalifikacije, odigral je osem odličnih tekem, v deveti pa je pač imel slab dan. Sam ne bi obtoževal nikogar, vsak pa ima pravico na svoje mišljenje.
Kot pravi, pa bo še bolj zadovoljen, če bodo to igro ponovili tudi proti Špancem. ''Če bi ponovili 70 minut igre, ki smo jo pokazali proti Jugoslovanom, lahko naredimo še kakšno presenečenje, čeprav se zavedamo, da bo proti Špancem težje. Španci sicer proti Norvežanom niso navdušili, a po mojem mnenju so bili vseeno boljši nasprotnik,'' je na koncu dodal Katanec.



Mešani občutki v obeh taborih

Charleroi, 14.06.2000 (STA) Po neodločenem izidu na tekmi evropskega prvenstva med Slovenijo in ZRJ Jugoslavijo (3:3) so imeli v obeh taborih mešane občutke. Slovenci bi bili pred tekmo zadovoljni s točko, a glede na dogodke na igrišču in vodstvu s 3:0 jih izid ne more spravljati v dobro voljo, medtem ko je v taboru Jugoslovanov obratno. Pred začetkom so napovedovali zmago, a na koncu srečno izenačili.
Slovenski igralci so po tekmi poudarjali, da je neodločen izid uspeh, a razočaranje vendarle niso mogli skriti. Med najbolj žalostnimi je bil gotovo najboljši igralec tekme Zahovič, ki je sicer na vprašanja novinarjev odgovarjal profesionalno, toda videlo se je, da je na nekatere soigralce močno jezen. Povsem jasno je, da je Slovence izdala psiha in temu bo moral Katanec v prihodnje posvetiti največ časa, če hoče presenetiti še kakšnega nasprotnika.
Če so jugoslovanski nogometaši odkrito priznavali nezadovoljstvo, pa je bilo drugače z njihovim selektorjem Vujadinom Boškovom, ki je na koncu svoje varovance celo pohvalil. Menil je, da so njegovi zvezdniki Slovence podcenjevali, čeprav so sami to odločno zanikali.

BBB
06-15-2000, 06:20 PM
Hey Ivan, Ćiro is 3rd place holder in the world so rather joke with Vujo expert

Aussie-Bosanac
06-15-2000, 07:30 PM
hahhaha Ivica Osim
kad ti on bude trener onda ti ja ljubim noge hahhaah nadaj se care, nije osim corav ni glup

seka
06-15-2000, 09:19 PM
Hey people, check Slovenia section, topic PREDICTIONS for SLO at Euro, I made a picture of SLO fans and put one Spaniard among them. Can you guess which one is it?

JuNkY
06-15-2000, 10:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by seka:
Could some of you answer to this?

What will be the final outlook of the Group C? The points?

Let us try to be smart BEFORE, not AFTER, right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

now:

NOR 3
SLO 1
YUG 1
SPA 0


next sunday...

YUG loses against NOR....SPA napuni SLO

NOR 6
SPA 3
YUG 1
SLO 1


SLO ties with NOR....SPA ties with YUG

NOR 9
SPA 4
YUG 2
SLO 2

seka
06-15-2000, 11:20 PM
Wow, JunkY, you're pretty harsh on yourself:

Here are mine:

now
NOR 3
SLO, YUG 1
SPA 0

Sunday
SLO beats SPA
NOR beats YUG

Wednesday
NOR beats SLO
SPA beats YUG


so
NOR 9
SLO 4
SPA 3
YUG 1

I guess I'm harsh on you, too. But I just can't let go of

- being a believer for SLO
- being a non-believer of SPA, till they're already out
- being frustrated with that Norveggian bloody game

and Juga seems to be in a position where it must take all of my pros and cons...

Ivan
06-15-2000, 11:35 PM
Now:
NOR 3
SLO 1
YUG 1
SPA 0

Sunday:
Yugo : Nor 2:2
Spa : Slo 1:1

NOR 4
SLO 2
YUG 2
SPA 1

Wednesday:
Yug : Spa 2:1
Slo : Nor 2:1

FINAL STANDINGS
1. YUGO 5
2. SLO 5
3. NOR 4
4. SPA 1

Everybody's happy :)

(Unless) Until we meet in the finals :D :D :D

PFC
06-15-2000, 11:45 PM
I am defence?? Do i get to take free kicks.? :eek: :D

seka
06-16-2000, 12:01 AM
Ivan, YOU ARE THE MAN! As I said to others, may the good Lord hear you!!!

And it even looks possible...

PS
I invite you to that topic again to see if you're able to find a Spaniard!

soccerchick
06-16-2000, 12:33 AM
I mentioned this at your post...

I say the Spaniard is the guy with the....finger...y'know..

seka
06-16-2000, 03:19 AM
Sorry, soccerchick, it's true they have lots of temper, but it ain't that one.