Katanec out of Olympiakos!

[funky6]

Sokratis Kokkalis surprisingly fired Srecko Katanec after his yesterday comments about no leader in the team and an unjustified hunger for the 7th Champion in a row(that was hard).

New coach willl be Protasof with the smiling man Polyxroniou as an assistant coach next to him.

lol:D

[zippo]

This is a big thing here in Slovenia at the moment, evreybody's talking about it. Do you think it was justified?

[funky6]

It's a big issue here too since Olympiako's matters are important for the media.They are more than you can imagine.

Yes and no

Yes:
He didn't seem to realize what it is here to coach Olympiakos.They are worse than Barça in these matters.The seventh Championship in a row for them is a psychosis you can't realize.Especially Kokkalis and the fans are sleeping with this obsession.Katanec never seemed to be adjusted in the Greek and Olympiakos reality,he played in a defensive formation especially in the Pana dreby that Olympiakos fans haven't faced the last 6-7 years and it costed the loss.He also insisted in Novak's transfer where ppl here mostly want a new team for Olympiakos to be created,full of new faces mostly.When he commented in those matters it was what they were looking for.

No:
When you bring a new coach as a Messiah to finally create smthing from the beginning and finally do smthing big in Europe you are not justified to fire him so quickly.It shows there's no future plan,organisation nothing.Kokkalis is widely known as an egomaniac boss,they blame him for doing whatever he wants and being jealous and hard with coaches.Olympiakos is his toy in his mind.Katanec had modern ideas for football,good name,passion etc,i don't know if they can find a similar case.It was more an action of panic striken seeing Pana is ahead and for the first time so dangerous.

It's truth that Katanec was fought by the media but that's a common thing.Ppl here blame Kokkalis for doing whatever he wants and spoiling team's name,but it was always like that anyway.There's nothing general though,others blame him others justifie him.

If they get the championship.it will prove a good movement but i don't think so.

[zippo]

Is it correct that PAO are stronger than they were in recent years? Had Olympiakos had any real problems in winning the last six trophies or were they just too good for the competition?

I read in slovenian newspapers a few weeks ago that Olympiakos played without a real playmaker. What were they actually playing?

[funky6]

Actually it is not the most fun thing to see Pana play.They began bad with Santos,were in the last spots but then Markarian came back and with a g-r-e-a-t defence and being serious they managed to come back and now they 're first.IT'S really difficult to score a goal to them but if you do first they have problems.Pana deserved the 4th championship of Olympiakos with Kyrastas but didn't win the derby.AEK also deserved their 1st championship but didn't get it either.

Ppl here blame Olympiakos for being favourited by refs etc and it's actually a bit true,but they definitely deserved most of them.They had great teams and the heart of champion in the serious moments which noone can deny.They mostly played with Karembeu/Zeterberg(not so much)-both defensive halfs mostly- as organizers but mostly on the wings.Pana is actually not having a real playmaker.

[FCBBarcaAjax]

The rumour on the street is the president(Kokalis, or something like that) wanted the Ukranian(the future coach). Katanec lost only 1 game, and you´re still in greek cup, and only 2 points behinh panathinakos.

There must be something wrong wity club menedgement if the change coaches from yesterday to tomowrow. For club is good, if coach is long time at the clu, and if he`s succesfull(katanec was generaly speking) you have more chance for succes in europe! Look at Bayern, Hitzfeld has been at him for 5 years I think. Also critisased the players, the way they play. They also dont have commanding playmaker(since Effenberg went and Ballack is not commanding enough to be a captain)! You must know, you lost a lot of fans in slovenia, some from time of Zahoviè, and some ftom time Katanec was appointed for jub. Ewenthall, i wish you all the best.

But i have a different dilema:
If the team has been together for some time now, probably isnt there enough will or enthusiasem for the next trophy. In Bayern we had simular problem(2001, 3 trophies: CL, Bundesliga,DFB Pokal) and a ruff year later on without a trophy. You should change some players, since greek championshio, ewnthall ranked 7th in the world is not quality enough!

[byzantium21]

it was a mistake for them to get rid of katanec-
they cannot expect a coach to take over mid season and have the team playing wonderful football from teh start. he has to learn his players matchday by matchday as he doesn't have the luxury of summer training. olympiakos, and most greek teams are very impatient.
and the impatience and psychosis of winning above all else brings these radical and harmfull changes- out of the ethers-

oh well, its their problem.

[Ufo]

Katanec has strange ways of coaching the team, but that should Kokkalis and the public know when he was brought into Olympiakos. Otherwise Olympiakos is very dilettante club. If the players follow his instructions and behave like a team (with sport principles, of course), he can do really big things. Look, he led our no-good NT to Euro 2000 and Korea 2002 and has proven himeslf to be good. He is very ascetic, hard working coach with absolutely no talent for media communications. He always follows the idea of doing everything in the field, struggle for the win and he is the personification of the 4 musketeers rule: all for one and one for all. All he knows he learned in Italy and Germany and if Greek soccer doesn't work in similar principles - we have an answer why Greek soccer with so much money isn't so succesfull in Europe. He shouldn't be allowed to communicate to media in the first place.

[zippo]

We all knew that Katnec was not gonna blend properly into Greek soccer, but this is outragous in my mind. To sack a coach for saying what he did is incredible. Or are we all back here in Slovenia just used to his vocabulary?

As Ufo said - What did Kokkalis expect? Didn't he know what Sreèko was all about?

I think in a long run this cannot be a good decision. He was brought to do sth. in Europe but was not even allowed to try...He may have ups and downs, but he rearly fails at the crucial games.

[funky6]

1)I'm not an Olympiakos fan.PERIOD.I support AEK and Barça:D

2)You can't understand what this number 7(especially no 7-which is related to the club in many ways) means to them if you're not here

3)UFO-->What so much money?Perhaps some years back but not now.Besides,greek football might have problems but Greek teams are great in terms of quality.The only that screws up in Europe is Olympiakos.Especially Pana and AEK are always doing great and go far in the tournaments.The time a greek team will get a Euro trophy is really near-maybe this year in UEFA cup

4)FCBBarcaAjax-->Greek championship is definitely a quality enough title,it's just that Olympiakos was uncompetitive these years.The ranking was not for fun,if you see the quality of the teams and the difficulty level.

Anyway,Katanec or not this Championship is yellow.

Vazelia-Vazelia-Otan sas vlepoume mas pianoune ta gelia!

Cheerz

[Ufo]

Originally posted by funky6
1)I'm not an Olympiakos fan.PERIOD.I support AEK and Barça:D

2)You can't understand what this number 7(especially no 7-which is related to the club in many ways) means to them if you're not here

3)UFO-->What so much money?Perhaps some years back but not now.Besides,greek football might have problems but Greek teams are great in terms of quality.The only that screws up in Europe is Olympiakos.Especially Pana and AEK are always doing great and go far in the tournaments.The time a greek team will get a Euro trophy is really near-maybe this year in UEFA cup

4)FCBBarcaAjax-->Greek championship is definitely a quality enough title,it's just that Olympiakos was uncompetitive these years.The ranking was not for fun,if you see the quality of the teams and the difficulty level.

Anyway,Katanec or not this Championship is yellow.

Vazelia-Vazelia-Otan sas vlepoume mas pianoune ta gelia!

Cheerz

1) OK.

2) I don't, that's true. Local business, let's say. :)

3) Katanec is capable of doing something big even with a bunch of less paid players than these in Olympiakos. If he is allowed to.
Yes, with "Greek soccer" I meant Olympiakos. Sorry for that.

[FCBBarcaAjax]

Ewenthall ranked 7th in the world, you have only a few clubs who could reach european status as for example AEk, Panathinaikos, Olymipakos, doesnt the list ends here. You have 3 places in CL nex year, i doubt if more than one would get into 2. part of CL. Quarterfinals are possible, but not for AEk, mybe for Olympiakos but thats all. Wasnt olmpiakos last yera in quarterfinals with Barcelona?

[keev]

Panathinaikos made the quarters last year, narrowly losing to Barcelona. As a rule, Olympiakos doesn't do that well in Europe, AEK have been doing well in the Uefa Cup as of late, and Panathinaikos have done well in both major European competitions. Hopefully with 3 teams in the Champions League Greece make a mark next year, doubtful but there is a hope.