Liverpool Champions League Thread

[TheMutts]

Liverpool has just recieved a very disappointing result at Anfield. We tied are champions league match against FC Basel. This is really bad and we may not advance to the next round.

http://liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N136777020925-2137.htm

[B@tigol]

yeah, but i think we'll go through, last season also we faced the same problem, but we managed to go through as well, i think once we found our form, everything woud be alrite

[TheMutts]

Quick Overview of the game.


Basel 3-0 until 60th minute.

Liverpool fights back and ties it in the 85th minute.

Game ends. Liverpool doesnt advance.

[lili]

Too bad. I'm so sorry forhttp://www.plauder-shttp://www.plauder-smilies.de/sad/bluecry.gifmilies.de/sad/bluecry.gif Liverpool.http://www.plauder-smilies.de/sad/bluecry.gif

[lili]

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[Red-Kop]

I think we should win this one. It's a massive shame we're out of the Champions League so early, but I think we've got a great chance of winning the Uefa Cup.

Team against Vitesse:

___________________Kirkland__________________

Babbel________Hyypia_______Traore________Vignal


Murphy________Diao________Hamann_______Smicer


______________Baros_______Diouf______________

I think we should rest Owen, Riise, Henchoz and Gerrard for this game, so they're fully fit for the game against the Mancs at the weekend. And give Kirkland his chance in goal because it's a perfect oppurtunity for him. We should comfortably beat Vitesse with this team.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
I think we should win this one. It's a massive shame we're out of the Champions League so early, but I think we've got a great chance of winning the Uefa Cup.

Team against Vitesse:

___________________Kirkland__________________

Babbel________Hyypia_______Traore________Vignal


Murphy________Diao________Hamann_______Smicer


______________Baros_______Diouf______________

I think we should rest Owen, Riise, Henchoz and Gerrard for this game, so they're fully fit for the game against the Mancs at the weekend. And give Kirkland his chance in goal because it's a perfect oppurtunity for him. We should comfortably beat Vitesse with this team.

I think you are suffering from a great lack of knowledge concerning Vitesse away games. If Houllier will field this team Vitesse has an excellent chance of winning. Vitesse aint as good as a few years ago, but for big matches at home Vitesse can beat everyone. They have a good squad, if they have a bit of luck and play better than last saturday against Twente, they are capable of a surprise.

[soccer fanatic]

Oh, Vitesse`s possible team:

Jevric.

Cornelisse - Zeman - Stefanovic - Frankel (He is good!)

Mustapha - Levchenko - Janssen - Claessens

Peeters - Amoah.

I think we should rest Knol. :D

No Knol is just back from injury but with the squad, I doubt it if Snoei lets him play.

Also injured (or suspended, both by club and UEFA): Rankovic, Hofs, Martel, Zongo and Nanu.

Players to watch: Stefanovic, Janssen, Claessens(!), Frankel and young talent Mustapha.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


I think you are suffering from a great lack of knowledge concerning Vitesse away games. If Houllier will field this team Vitesse has an excellent chance of winning. Vitesse aint as good as a few years ago, but for big matches at home Vitesse can beat everyone. They have a good squad, if they have a bit of luck and play better than last saturday against Twente, they are capable of a surprise.


I'm not suffering from a lack of knowledge, you're just underating some of our players! If Houllier fielded that team, we'd still be favourites! Kirkland can go on to be a great. Vignal is a good young French Left-Back. Traore is an excellent central defender with a great future ahead of him. Diao, Baros and the rest are all very good to excellent players. If we fielded that side and we lost, I'd be extremely annoyed because we should've of won.

[Red-Kop]

I just want to make a change to my starting line-up. Put Cheyrou in for Murphy, and swap Smicer to the right hand side, and Cheyrou to the left.

[BLAUGRANA]

I think Liverfool would do better fielding a stronger lineup for the first leg. Take care of Vitesse then. While I don't consider Vitesse pushovers, I think Liverfool will go through.

[theorist]

Soccer Fanatic: You're saying that just because you (i. e. Ajax) lost Vitesse last year. But Liverpool is much better. We drawn BAZEL!!!

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by theorist
Soccer Fanatic: You're saying that just because you (i. e. Ajax) lost Vitesse last year. But Liverpool is much better. We drawn BAZEL!!!

That is convincing. :rolleyes:

I`m saying this because I`ve had a season ticket for Vitesse for a couple of years, and know what they are capable of. This year we (Ajax!) won in Gelredome, the 5 years before, we didn`t. Vitesse changed a lot, lost all their favourite players, but still has a quality side, which shouldn`t be insulted by Liverpool going to Arnhem with a 2nd team. They will pay the price. Ofcourse I agree Liverpool is a big favourite, but Vitesse shouldn`t be underestimated.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
I think Liverfool would do better fielding a stronger lineup for the first leg. Take care of Vitesse then. While I don't consider Vitesse pushovers, I think Liverfool will go through.

Ofcourse normally Liverpool would come out winner over two legs, but like you said, they better field their best players.

I`m kind of worried for the away match, if those young Vitesse players will get intimidated by the big stadium.

On football focus they said Vitesse changed the matches because they didn`t have much hope. :D

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop



I'm not suffering from a lack of knowledge, you're just underating some of our players! If Houllier fielded that team, we'd still be favourites! Kirkland can go on to be a great. Vignal is a good young French Left-Back. Traore is an excellent central defender with a great future ahead of him. Diao, Baros and the rest are all very good to excellent players. If we fielded that side and we lost, I'd be extremely annoyed because we should've of won.

No I don`t. I`m not saying Vitesse is the biggest favourite, not at all, but they shouldn`t beunderestimated, they did knock out Werder Bremen over two legs, same goes for Boekarest, which Liverpool also had great problems with a while ago. Werder is currently number two in Germany I think, so they are better than you think.

I`m not that fanatic about foreign teams I support, but I`m an Arsenal fan but definetly don`t underestimate Liverpool.
I`m an admirer of Owen, Gerrard, Dudek (out of form lately, but very good), Hyppia (who didn`t impress when he played for Willem II) and the rest. I only have strong doubts about Emile Heskey, I`m not a fan of him.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


No I don`t. I`m not saying Vitesse is the biggest favourite, not at all, but they shouldn`t beunderestimated, they did knock out Werder Bremen over two legs, same goes for Boekarest, which Liverpool also had great problems with a while ago. Werder is currently number two in Germany I think, so they are better than you think.

I`m not that fanatic about foreign teams I support, but I`m an Arsenal fan but definetly don`t underestimate Liverpool.
I`m an admirer of Owen, Gerrard, Dudek (out of form lately, but very good), Hyppia (who didn`t impress when he played for Willem II) and the rest. I only have strong doubts about Emile Heskey, I`m not a fan of him.

They had better play there best players,Vitesse are a dangerous team,We should field our strongest XI and then if we're two or three up after the first leg,then play the squad players in the second leg.

And regarding Dudek being "out of form",he has made two mistakes since he's been at the club,the one against middlesbrough was Hyypia's fault,if he'd moved out of Dudeks way the ball wouldn't have hit his foot and come out of Dudek's hands,and the one against Fulham,he made a good save and the ball came back into play,the defenders,well Traore in particular, just stood and let Sava go past him and tap the ball in,if Traore had reacted,Sava wouldn't have got the chance.......Kirkland might become a great keeper,but Dudek is a great keeper and if he has suffered a drop in confidence,dropping him is hardly going to help matters is it??

And as for Traore being a "great central-defender",he is a decent squad player at best,he will develop into a good player,but he is vastly over-rated,Basel exposed him for the average defender he is,and he was made look very poor against Fulham and in numerous other games this season,Henchoz must play,he is our best defender(Hyypia is a better football player,but Henchoz is a better defender) and Red-kop said he should be rested???He hasn't played in weeks,he's well rested and needs games before Sunday,so he has to play.I think Vignal is good but he won't play,Owen will play cos it'll be his type of game,where Liverpool will use the counter attack
My team would be........

-------------------------------------DUDEK--------------------------------------

BABBEL-----------HENCHOZ----------------HYYPIA---------------RIISE

GERRARD------------DAIO-------------------HAMANN-------CHEYROU

---------------------BAROS--------------------OWEN--------------------------

SUBS : KIRKLAND-CARRAGHER-MURPHY-SMICER-DIOUFF

[The Rule]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


I only have strong doubts about Emile Heskey, I`m not a fan of him.

I really wish people would get off Heskey's back,i doubt that there is any player in the Liverpool team who works as hard as Heskey, did you see him in the away game against Valencia??he played the last 20 in the centre of mid-field and he ran himself into the ground.Ok he doesn't score enough goals, but without Heskey over the past couple of years,Owen wouldn't have scored as many as he has either.He is our only striker who possesses an aerial threat and when he drops deep and runs at defenders,he scares the life out of them.He has a good touch for a big man,keeps the ball well and plays it simple and has a good shot from distance.I'd actually change the team i have above and play him instead of Cheyrou.another thing is that he is incredibly unselfish,which i know can be a bad thing,but it shows he is not egotistical and is more interested in the teams success,rather than personal achievements,if Liverpool had more players with his attitude,dedication and work-etic,they would be far better off.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by The Rule

I really wish people would get off Heskey's back,i doubt that there is any player in the Liverpool team who works as hard as Heskey, did you see him in the away game against Valencia??he played the last 20 in the centre of mid-field and he ran himself into the ground.


His workrate is something which you should expect from a player who earns as much money as Heskey. Although I know a lot of players fail to work hard for their money, it is not a point to consider when you are talking of the quality of a player. It should always be there, if not, the player should be told he has to work hard.


Ok he doesn't score enough goals, but without Heskey over the past couple of years,Owen wouldn't have scored as many as he has either.He is our only striker who possesses an aerial threat and when he drops deep and runs at defenders,he scares the life out of them.He has a good touch for a big man,keeps the ball well and plays it simple and has a good shot from distance.


That is your view, in my opinion he is not good enough for Liverpool. I think his technical skills are below par. He is a reasonable header though.


I'd actually change the team i have above and play him instead of Cheyrou.another thing is that he is incredibly unselfish,which i know can be a bad thing,but it shows he is not egotistical and is more interested in the teams success,rather than personal achievements,if Liverpool had more players with his attitude,dedication and work-etic,they would be far better off.

I like players who aren`t selfish, but if you are reading youre last line, it sounds like Steven Gerrard. for the rest, everything you write should be considerefd normal, no player stands above the team, that can cause serious damage if not the case. all players should be aware they don`t play for themselfs, but for the fans and their club. I don`t question the attitude of Heskey, I question his technical skills.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


1.His workrate is something which you should expect from a player who earns as much money as Heskey. Although I know a lot of players fail to work hard for their money, it is not a point to consider when you are talking of the quality of a player. It should always be there, if not, the player should be told he has to work hard.

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2.That is your view, in my opinion he is not good enough for Liverpool. I think his technical skills are below par. He is a reasonable header though.



3.I like players who aren`t selfish, but if you are reading youre last line, it sounds like Steven Gerrard. for the rest, everything you write should be considerefd normal, no player stands above the team, that can cause serious damage if not the case. all players should be aware they don`t play for themselfs, but for the fans and their club. I don`t question the attitude of Heskey, I question his technical skills. [/B]

1.I know players are expected to work hard,but how many strikers work as hard as heskey?how often do you see Van Nistelrooy or Henry,or shearer,or shevchenko or any of them track back sixty yards and break up an opposition attack??never is the answer,heskey does that all game every game.

2.His finishing is below par,but think of it,he rarely gets more than one or two chances a game,Owen went weeks were he would have six or seven good chances per match and he couldn't score,but nobody doubted him,remember heskey scored a lot of goals in his first full season at the club and this year he's played left-wing as often as he's played up front.That shows commitment as well,can you imagine Alan Shearer or even Owen agreeing to play left wing and chase up and down the flank all day?As far as the rest of his skills,his first touch has improved since he joined the club,his control on the run is good and he is a decent passer of the ball because he keeps it simple.

3.Gerrard being selfish or unselfish?i would think you mean unselfish.This club flows through his veins,he understands what it means to play for the club.I'm not saying that any player does consider himself bigger than the club if they did they wouldn't be around for very long,but i think a lot of them(Diouff,Baros,Cheyrou for example)definitly need to work a lot harder when they don't have the ball,no doubt they are all wonderfully talented players but they don't work hard-enough when the team doesn't have the ball,in the old days it didn't matter if you were a "world class player"or not,if you played for Liverpool you worked twice as hard when your team didn't have the ball as you did when your team had it,some of the current team have to realise that.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by The Rule

1.I know players are expected to work hard,but how many strikers work as hard as heskey?how often do you see Van Nistelrooy or Henry,or shearer,or shevchenko or any of them track back sixty yards and break up an opposition attack??never is the answer,heskey does that all game every game.


Can`t speak and judge all those players, but RVN for sure works extremely hard in a match. I don`t think you can deny that. Henry and Shearer also didn`t leave a lazy impression on me. You don`t know what their coach told him before their match, maybe they have to stay up front, because the team needs a player up front who can hold the ball, so the rest can get around him. Shevchenko I only saw one whole match lately, against Madrid, he wasn`t that convincing to me. Nice goal and one time good control, but also a lot of bad situations of him trying to controll the ball, can`t judge is workrate based on one whole match.


2.His finishing is below par,but think of it,he rarely gets more than one or two chances a game,Owen went weeks were he would have six or seven good chances per match and he couldn't score,but nobody doubted him,remember heskey scored a lot of goals in his first full season at the club and this year he's played left-wing as often as he's played up front.That shows commitment as well,can you imagine Alan Shearer or even Owen agreeing to play left wing and chase up and the flank all day?As far as the rest of his skills,his first touch has improved since he joined the club,his control on the run is good and he is a decent passer of the ball because he keeps it simple.


I can see Shearer do that, looks to me as a dedicated pro. I also already mentioned Heskey has a good workrate and attitude. He is strong at the ball, but his vision and ball controll isn`t good enough. And I saw him in many matches.


3.Gerrard being selfish or unselfish?i would think you mean unselfish.This club flows through his veins,he understands what it means to play for the club.I'm not saying that any player does consider himself bigger than the club if they did they wouldn't be around for very long,but i think a lot of them(Diouff,Baros,Cheyrou for example)definitly need to work a lot harder when they don't have the ball,no doubt they are all wonderfully talented players but they don't work hard-enough when the team doesn't have the ball,in the old days it didn't matter if you were a "world class player"or not,if you played for Liverpool you worked twice as hard when your team didn't have the ball as you did when your team had it,some of the current team have to realise that.

Gerrard is by far my most favourite player, I meant to say that all those things you named positive on Heskey, I found more appropriate for Gerrard. He is great. For the rest I agree.

[Red-Kop]

If we had wingers, Heskey would score more (when he's playing up-front). So would Owen, but he still scores loads! But i prefer Baros over Heskey anyway.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
If we had wingers, Heskey would score more (when he's playing up-front). So would Owen, but he still scores loads! But i prefer Baros over Heskey anyway.

Me too, Barros will become very good.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


1.Can`t speak and judge all those players, but RVN for sure works extremely hard in a match. I don`t think you can deny that. Henry and Shearer also didn`t leave a lazy impression on me. You don`t know what their coach told him before their match, maybe they have to stay up front, because the team needs a player up front who can hold the ball, so the rest can get around him. Shevchenko I only saw one whole match lately, against Madrid, he wasn`t that convincing to me. Nice goal and one time good control, but also a lot of bad situations of him trying to controll the ball, can`t judge is workrate based on one whole match.

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2.I can see Shearer do that, looks to me as a dedicated pro. I also already mentioned Heskey has a good workrate and attitude. He is strong at the ball, but his vision and ball controll isn`t good enough. And I saw him in many matches.



3.Gerrard is by far my most favourite player, I meant to say that all those things you named positive on Heskey, I found more appropriate for Gerrard. He is great. For the rest I agree. [/B]

1.RVN does not work near as hard as Heskey,he chases defenders around a bit,but can be lazy at times,Henry is the same and so is Shearer,they may not stand around but running from side to side after defenders is not as hard as chasing wingers the length of the field time after time.Heskey never stops moving when hes on the field

2.There is not a chance in hell that Shearer would give up his strikers role for a regular place on the wing,especially if he was still Englands no.9 like Heskey is now,Shearer is a very selfish player like that,all he cares about is how many goals he can score,he never passes the ball if he is less then 30 yards from the goal,if he really wanted team success he would ahve signed for United,but he would have only been a good player in a great team,at Newcastle he is a great player in a good team.Heskey's ball control is far better than he is given credit for,i have a season ticket and go to all the home games as well as some of the away games,and heskey rarely gives the ball away,he hits a stray pass every now and then and knocks the ball to far ahead of himself sometimes,but mostly defenders haul him down or pull his shirt,because that's the only way to stop him leaving them for dead,your forgetting he also has great pace for such a big guy, and a lot of times referees let them foul him and give Heskey nothing.His vision is poor???he is a striker he's not meant to hit fifty yard passes,his job is to keep it simple,what do you want?Zidane type performances?Michael Owen gives the ball away far more than Heskey but no-one ever mentions that do they??

3.I think Gerrard and Heskey are cut from the same cloth,they'd give there lives for the club,but even Gerrard has bad games,in fact as much as i hate to admit it he's had more bad than good this year.And he gets to play in the positions that he likes to play in.

While I admit Heskey is not the greatest striker in the world, i think people need to look at the good things he does for the team,he sacrifices himself for the good of the team and he never gives any less than 100%.Houllier, Erikkson and Martin O'Neill are three of the most highly respected coaches in football and Heskey has always been a regular in their teams,so they obviously realise his value to the team,as do all his team-mates and the majority of the fans who see him play week in and week out(have you heard the Kop chanting his name??it's awesome to be part of)

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by The Rule

1.RVN does not work near as hard as Heskey,he chases defenders around a bit,but can be lazy at times,Henry is the same and so is Shearer,they may not stand around but running from side to side after defenders is not as hard as chasing wingers the length of the field time after time.Heskey never stops moving when hes on the field


That is a mather of opinion, I don`t even like RVN that much, but still think he works hard, always in movement. Samme goes for Henry and Shearer.


2.There is not a chance in hell that Shearer would give up his strikers role for a regular place on the wing,especially if he was still Englands no.9 like Heskey is now,Shearer is a very selfish player like that,all he cares about is how many goals he can score,he never passes the ball if he is less then 30 yards from the goal,if he really wanted team success he would ahve signed for United,but he would have only been a good player in a great team,at Newcastle he is a great player in a good team.Heskey's ball control is far better than he is given credit for,i have a season ticket and go to all the home games as well as some of the away games,and heskey rarely gives the ball away,he hits a stray pass every now and then and knocks the ball to far ahead of himself sometimes,but mostly defenders haul him down or pull his shirt,because that's the only way to stop him leaving them for dead,your forgetting he also has great pace for such a big guy, and a lot of times referees let them foul him and give Heskey nothing.His vision is poor???he is a striker he's not meant to hit fifty yard passes,his job is to keep it simple,what do you want?Zidane type performances?Michael Owen gives the ball away far more than Heskey but no-one ever mentions that do they??


I didn`t know you meant reguraly, I thought you meant for one time. I think Shearer achieved to much and proved to often that the central striker postion is by far his best spot. Heskey however can play decent as a "winger" too.

What you say about Shearer that if he really cared about team succes he would signed for United is crap. He wanted to achieve succes with his club and not with United, only proves love for his club too me, Shearer has more than an excellent record, Heskey can only dream about that record and will never achieve that, not because he is less selfish, but simply because he aint as good. He proved himself more than enopugh to have earned the right to be seen as one of the best English strikers, Heskey is no comparison. Ofcourse good vision for a striker isn`t first priority, but definetly a skill which is important and makes a striker better.
look at Kluivert for example, it makes a striker complete and allround, the time all strikers had to score is over, now more is asked in football, they have to take part in the passing game and give good assists too. A goalkeeper isn`t only a guy who stops balls anymore too. Times have changed.


3.I think Gerrard and Heskey are cut from the same cloth,they'd give there lives for the club,but even Gerrard has bad games,in fact as much as i hate to admit it he's had more bad than good this year.And he gets to play in the positions that he likes to play in.


First line I agree, but already said that, I think there is a big difference in quality between Gerrard and Heskey. Gerrard is out of form and doesan`t get enough support of his manager, Gerrard clearly needs confidence, Houllier doesan`t seem to realise that, according to the media.


While I admit Heskey is not the greatest striker in the world, i think people need to look at the good things he does for the team,he sacrifices himself for the good of the team and he never gives any less than 100%.Houllier, Erikkson and Martin O'Neill are three of the most highly respected coaches in football and Heskey has always been a regular in their teams,so they obviously realise his value to the team,as do all his team-mates and the majority of the fans who see him play week in and week out(have you heard the Kop chanting his name??it's awesome to be part of)

Ofcourse his workrate is loved by the fans, I`m a big fan of Galasek of Ajax, also not the best player of Ajax, but I like him because of his attitude, pro behaviour on and off the field, workrate and loyalty.

O`Neill is great, but he was probably his boss when Heskey played for a less team, therefore on his level. Houllier is a reasonably nice coach but not that good, Erikssonis also decent but nothing more. Him making it to the WC is nothing more than a demand, even though where England stood when he came as coach, on the WC he didn`t ompress me that much. I didn`t see a huge improvement in Englands play, they played as usual. In Italy is IMO difficult to judge a coach.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


1.That is a mather of opinion, I don`t even like RVN that much, but still think he works hard, always in movement. Samme goes for Henry and Shearer.

2.I didn`t know you meant reguraly, I thought you meant for one time. I think Shearer achieved to much and proved to often that the central striker postion is by far his best spot. Heskey however can play decent as a "winger" too.

3.What you say about Shearer that if he really cared about team succes he would signed for United is crap. He wanted to achieve succes with his club and not with United, only proves love for his club too me, Shearer has more than an excellent record, Heskey can only dream about that record and will never achieve that, not because he is less selfish, but simply because he aint as good. He proved himself more than enopugh to have earned the right to be seen as one of the best English strikers, Heskey is no comparison. Ofcourse good vision for a striker isn`t first priority, but definetly a skill which is important and makes a striker better.
look at Kluivert for example, it makes a striker complete and allround, the time all strikers had to score is over, now more is asked in football, they have to take part in the passing game and give good assists too. A goalkeeper isn`t only a guy who stops balls anymore too. Times have changed.

4.First line I agree, but already said that, I think there is a big difference in quality between Gerrard and Heskey. Gerrard is out of form and doesan`t get enough support of his manager, Gerrard clearly needs confidence, Houllier doesan`t seem to realise that, according to the media.
5.Ofcourse his workrate is loved by the fans, I`m a big fan of Galasek of Ajax, also not the best player of Ajax, but I like him because of his attitude, pro behaviour on and off the field, workrate and loyalty.

6.O`Neill is great, but he was probably his boss when Heskey played for a less team, therefore on his level. Houllier is a reasonably nice coach but not that good, Erikssonis also decent but nothing more. Him making it to the WC is nothing more than a demand, even though where England stood when he came as coach, on the WC he didn`t ompress me that much. I didn`t see a huge improvement in Englands play, they played as usual. In Italy is IMO difficult to judge a coach. [/B]

1.Henry can be very lazy when things are going wrong,get a tape some of Arsenals losses this year,you'll see what i mean.

2.Heskey is englands number 9,he has earned the right to ply there for his country,he was also one of the few england players who performed in the world cup.

3.Shearer twice went to lesser clubs because he would be the "name"player at the club,look at his career,i agree he has a great scoring record,but he has has one trophy to his name,Heskey has won more at 23 than Shearer has at 30,Shearer should have gone to a big club where he could have made an impact on the Euorpean club scene.I'm not saying he hasn't had a great career,but a man of his talents should have a lot more to show for a career than 1 premiership title.
4.Kluivert is a totally different type of player than the rest,he's more Sheringham than Shearer,a link between midfield and the front men.
5.How you can rate a man who has won two worthington cups and a few meaningless trophys in scotland ahead of Houllier and Errikson is beyond comprehension,yes o'neill is a very good manager,but he must prove himself on the big stage

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by The Rule

1.Henry can be very lazy when things are going wrong,get a tape some of Arsenals losses this year,you'll see what i mean.


I saw a lot of matches of Arsenal, and I can`t say Henry ever made a lazy impression on me. since they didn`t loose big this year, Henry had no reason to be lazy, 1-0 down is mmore motivating than a 1-0 advantage.


2.Heskey is englands number 9,he has earned the right to ply there for his country,he was also one of the few england players who performed in the world cup.


If he is called on, he deserves the right to play for his country, none the less doesn`t that make him a better player. The whole England team didn`t impress me, which I don`t like, because I was supporting them a bit.


3.Shearer twice went to lesser clubs because he would be the "name"player at the club,look at his career,i agree he has a great scoring record,but he has has one trophy to his name,Heskey has won more at 23 than Shearer has at 30,Shearer should have gone to a big club where he could have made an impact on the Euorpean club scene.I'm not saying he hasn't had a great career,but a man of his talents should have a lot more to show for a career than 1 premiership title.


I don`t think that the amount of trophees won have any influence on how good the player is. Did you know Grim also won all big trophies? Do you think he is as good as Kahn? Has no influence, and about Shearer playing for lesser teams, that makes scoring harder, you get less chances because you asre not surrounded by superstars. Again, the amount of titles doesn`t necessarily make someones career. if Bergkamp never won anything, he would still be one of the best ever, its all about quality. I don`t knoew the reasons why Shearer never played for a different team, nut the only one I would believe on this is Shearer himself. Perhaps he doesn`t like United. It doesn`t matter anyway.


4.Kluivert is a totally different type of player than the rest,he's more Sheringham than Shearer,a link between midfield and the front men.


Yes he is different, he is more complete, he can play deep and keep possesion, but also play more from midfield. This is my point, Kluivert is a incredible complete striker. That makes him so good.


5.How you can rate a man who has won two worthington cups and a few meaningless trophys in scotland ahead of Houllier and Errikson is beyond comprehension,yes o'neill is a very good manager,but he must prove himself on the big stage

You can only reach as much as your group to work with lets you. He can`t win the CL with Celtic, but he does is able to get the best out of the squad. Erikkson can`t do that with England and Houllier haven`t done that with Liverpool. Simple as that.

[Red-Kop]

Kluivert an incredibily complete striker???? As a Spanish journalist said: He's the best with his back to goal, but the worse in front of goal.

Kluivert is one of the worst finishers I've seen for a top class striker.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Kluivert an incredibily complete striker???? As a Spanish journalist said: He's the best with his back to goal, but the worse in front of goal.

Kluivert is one of the worst finishers I've seen for a top class striker.

May come as a surprise to you, but journalists are peple to and can be wrong. I disagree with this journalist. his scoring ratio isn`t that bad and he offers more to a club or NT than just goals.

[Red-Kop]

This journalist happened to be a Barça fan. Anyway, I've seen him loads of times, and he's right.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
This journalist happened to be a Barça fan. Anyway, I've seen him loads of times, and he's right.

I`m an Ajax fan and think that Van Halst suck, what is your point?

I`ve seen him too a lot, and think he is among the best strikers in the world.

[Red-Kop]

Technically I think he's great. But his finishing is below par.

[Jedi Knight]

Red Kop - like the look of the team (with your amendment).

Less than 12 hours to go before we know a) if GH does rest a few and b) what the score is (apart from an LFC win of course!)

Roll on - MTFBWY
JK

[Red-Kop]

Liverpool's Adventure in the UEFA Cup starts here.

With us being knocked out of the Champions League so early, we need to make up for it by having a great UEFA Cup campaign.

Vitesse are going to be a tough side to play against away from home, and whoever plays, needs to play well.

So.....Come On You Reds!!!!!!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Technically I think he's great. But his finishing is below par.

You must have been in a coma for the past two years,his finishing has improved remarkably and is now one of his strongest points,he still misses the odd chance,but so does everyone,they are people not machines.
I'd like to know what journalist said that about Kluivert,not saying it wasn't said,it prob was,but Kluivert has fallen out with a lot of journalists over there and they do tend to write a lot of crap about him so i wouldn't listen to what the spanish press has to say,sure after ronaldo's debut,they were all saying he was back to his best.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


You must have been in a coma for the past two years,his finishing has improved remarkably and is now one of his strongest points,he still misses the odd chance,but so does everyone,they are people not machines.
I'd like to know what journalist said that about Kluivert,not saying it wasn't said,it prob was,but Kluivert has fallen out with a lot of journalists over there and they do tend to write a lot of crap about him so i wouldn't listen to what the spanish press has to say,sure after ronaldo's debut,they were all saying he was back to his best.

''His finishing is one of his strongest points'' Yeah Right :rolleyes:

And the journalist said it on T.V. on La Liga review in the build up to Barça - Real.

[Red-Kop]

I've just seen on Sky Sports News, that Owen, Henchoz and Heskey are likely to be rested.

Still should win though, even without them.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


''His finishing is one of his strongest points'' Yeah Right :rolleyes:

And the journalist said it on T.V. on La Liga review in the build up to Barça - Real.

That little Spanish chap in the studio??He's not a Barce fan,he's a bilbao fan.i was watching that and he said it wasn't his strongest point,he didn't say it was poor.That chap makes no secret of the fact that he is a Kluivert fan,they had a very large fall-out a few years ago,when Van Gaal left after his first spell in charge.He asked Kluivert if he felt responsible for Van Gaal's departure given his "poor form"that season and Kluivert walked out of the interview.He's always saying stupid things about PK, when Barce played athletico madrid,he said Kluivert had a poor first touch.Don't listen to that clown

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


That little Spanish chap in the studio??He's not a Barce fan,he's a bilbao fan.i was watching that and he said it wasn't his strongest point,he didn't say it was poor.That chap makes no secret of the fact that he is a Kluivert fan,they had a very large fall-out a few years ago,when Van Gaal left after his first spell in charge.He asked Kluivert if he felt responsible for Van Gaal's departure given his "poor form"that season and Kluivert walked out of the interview.He's always saying stupid things about PK, when Barce played athletico madrid,he said Kluivert had a poor first touch.Don't listen to that clown

It wasn't the one in the studio, btw, he's an Espanyol fan. It was a Spanish journalist who works in Spain. In the build up to the Barça - Real match, there was interviews with people associated with each club, etc.

This is irrelevant anyway, I don't need a journalist to tell me that Kluivert is a bad finisher.

[Red-Kop]

Starting Line-Up against Vitesse tonight......


GK: Dudek
LB: Traore
RB: Babbel
CB: Hyypia
CB: Henchoz
LM: Cheyrou
RM: Murphy
CM: Diao
CM: Gerrard
ST: Baros
ST: Owen

[LFCRULZ4EVER]

I think they will rest owen!

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop

This is irrelevant anyway, I don't need a journalist to tell me that Kluivert is a bad finisher.

Exactly, you don`tneed him to make that mistake. I saw Owen today against Vitesse BTW, talking about lousy finishing. :)

Does Liverpool always play like this? At home games?
Man, they played boring. Still a good result against a Dutch team with a huge financial and form crisis. Did I mention they are three points away from the relegation zone? Still goood game from Liverpool.

[Red-Kop]

It wasn't the greatest match of all time and we could of won by 3 or 4. But we're off to a decent start, and we should easily go through at Anfield.

I was surprised when Baros got took off and was replaced by Heskey, because he'd been our best player. From that game, it showed that the Baros - Owen partnership has potential.

Now let's beat Manure at the weekend!!!

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


Exactly, you don`tneed him to make that mistake. I saw Owen today against Vitesse BTW, talking about lousy finishing. :)

Does Liverpool always play like this? At home games?
Man, they played boring. Still a good result against a Dutch team with a huge financial and form crisis. Did I mention they are three points away from the relegation zone? Still goood game from Liverpool.

Owen has one of the best finishing rates in the Premiership, it's not fair to judge him on one performance. He scored anyway.

''Does Liverpool always play like this'' Do we play boring football? YES! And it's annoying!

We should of easily beaten Vitesse tonight, but we won at the end of the day.

[soccer fanatic]

Did you listen too that football focus analyst?

Beautiful football of Liverpool BTW. :D

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Did you listen too that football focus analyst?

Beautiful football of Liverpool BTW. :D

What about Mark Lawrenson?

Vitesse were poor! Owen and Smicer had 3 good chances between them. Plus if we had played better, we would have had even more chances. Add together 1 and 3, what do you get?

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop

Owen has one of the best finishing rates in the Premiership, it's not fair to judge him on one performance. He scored anyway.


He had 4 open chances. I don`t judge his whole career, just this match, his finishing was lousy.


''Does Liverpool always play like this'' Do we play boring football? YES! And it's annoying!


Well, you are honest. I really enjoyed Vitesse. Liverpool wasn`t good. They went for victory and came close in the final minutes.

Correct me if I`m wrong but I heard that Liverpool worked with a budget 0f 250 million, Vitesse works nowadays with a budget of 20 million. Taking that in mind and watching both teams play, Liverpool should be very ashamed, Vitesse is way better in the passing game, even considering they are curently totally out of form. (Vitesse I mean!) Liverpool too, but is it really impossible to play more attractive if you have such a huge budget?

But they won and I guess for Liverpool fans that was good enough, I`m proud of Vitesse, they showed themselfs to Europe as a fine and skillfull attractive playing team.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop

Vitesse were poor! Owen and Smicer had 3 good chances between them. Plus if we had played better, we would have had even more chances.


You wouldn`t recognize beautiful football if it bitt you in the ass, wouldn`t you. Vitesse played attractive with a budget of around 10% of Liverpools. If you think Vitesse was poor, you are dead wrong. Liverpool created some chances, but were nowhere to be found in the passing game. Vitesse didn`t get what hey deserved, a draw at least. No matter the chances, watching Liverpool gave me Italian flashbacks. Horrible.


Add together 1 and 3, what do you get?

A stupid answer to an even worse question???

[Red-Kop]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by soccer fanatic


You wouldn`t recognize beautiful football if it bitt you in the ass, wouldn`t you. Vitesse played attractive with a budget of around 10% of Liverpools. If you think Vitesse was poor, you are dead wrong. Liverpool created some chances, but were nowhere to be found in the passing game. Vitesse didn`t get what hey deserved, a draw at least. No matter the chances, watching Liverpool gave me Italian flashbacks. Horrible.

Yeah, Vitesse played just like Arsenal and Real :rolleyes:

I know we play boring football, i admitted that. Are you blind?

Vitesse didn't deserve a draw! It was a weird game, and whoever would have won, would've deserved it.

I'm not sure if Houllier can take us onto the next level. His play is defensive and boring, it's not the Liverpool way. I'm starting to loose patience with him.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop

Yeah, Vitesse played just like Arsenal and Real :rolleyes:


You are a realistic person, aren`t you? :angel::rolleyes:
Still, we came closer than you. :)


I know we play boring football, i admitted that. Are you blind?


No I`m not, I said you were honest. Better question would be if you are blind. Just giving you my view.


Vitesse didn't deserve a draw! It was a weird game, and whoever would have won, would've deserved it.


Wasn`t weird, Vitesse played Liverpool countered. Taking the chances of Liverpool it wasn`t really undeserved for them, but it was too Vitesse, who tried to make something of the match and also missed some chances.

[/QUOTE][/B]
I'm not sure if Houllier can take us onto the next level. His play is defensive and boring, it's not the Liverpool way. I'm starting to loose patience with him. [/B][/QUOTE]

Ofcourse you also said this two years ago, when they were boring too but did win some stuff.
You can`t play creative if you don`t have those players. Houllier should have bought a real playmaker.

[Red-Kop]

We don't need a play-maker, we need a winger. Duff would be my first choice.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


He had 4 open chances. I don`t judge his whole career, just this match, his finishing was lousy.

[/B]

Well, you are honest. I really enjoyed Vitesse. Liverpool wasn`t good. They went for victory and came close in the final minutes.

Correct me if I`m wrong but I heard that Liverpool worked with a budget 0f 250 million, Vitesse works nowadays with a budget of 20 million. Taking that in mind and watching both teams play, Liverpool should be very ashamed, Vitesse is way better in the passing game, even considering they are curently totally out of form. (Vitesse I mean!) Liverpool too, but is it really impossible to play more attractive if you have such a huge budget?

But they won and I guess for Liverpool fans that was good enough, I`m proud of Vitesse, they showed themselfs to Europe as a fine and skillfull attractive playing team. [/B]

I've just been in the Liverpool forum on the official site, and believe me, Houllier is getting one hell of a slating in there.

Houllier has been in charge for 4 years and spent 120 million pounds, he hasn't bought a single winger with that! And we've been crying out for one ever since McManaman left way back in 99.

Houllier is one of the most stubborn managers around, he'll probably continue to play boring defensive football, even though it's obvious we need to attack more.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
We don't need a play-maker, we need a winger. Duff would be my first choice.

Too play what system? Still 4-4-2? With Duff next to Owen. Who will inspire from midfield, do you think Gerrard is enough?

[soccer fanatic]

The rumours concerning van der Vaart and Liverpool should give you some hope. VDV will reject, but it could mean Houllier is searching for one.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


Too play what system? Still 4-4-2? With Duff next to Owen. Who will inspire from midfield, do you think Gerrard is enough?

Duff next to Owen? Duff's a left winger.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
The rumours concerning van der Vaart and Liverpool should give you some hope. VDV will reject, but it could mean Houllier is searching for one.

Would you say van der Vaart is better through the centre or down the left?

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop

Duff next to Owen? Duff's a left winger.

Yes. So? I know Owen prefers coming from left, but he should be able to come from the right side too. Can`t Duff play as an attacking winger, only as a "coming from midfield" winger?

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop

Would you say van der Vaart is better through the centre or down the left?

I think he is better through the centre, the more balls he gets the better. Frpom left he is also great. But like I said, he will probably reject anyway. If a central midfielder is what you need, van Bommel should be considered. He won`t reject I think.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


Yes. So? I know Owen prefers coming from left, but he should be able to come from the right side too. Can`t Duff play as an attacking winger, only as a "coming from midfield" winger?

Duff's an attacking left winger, like Ryan Giggs. He can play as a forward if needed aswell.

If i was Houllier, i'd buy a left and right winger for next summer, then our problems would probably be sorted.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


I think he is better through the centre, the more balls he gets the better. Frpom left he is also great. But like I said, he will probably reject anyway. If a central midfielder is what you need, van Bommel should be considered. He won`t reject I think.

We're fine in central midfield. Hamann is worshipped by the fans, and Gerrard is brilliant. Although recently his form hasn't been great. One of the reasons is Houllier's insistence to play a diamond shaped midfield and Gerrard on the right of it, where he's isolated. Central midfield is by far his best position.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


Duff's an attacking left winger, like Ryan Giggs. He can play as a forward if needed aswell.

If i was Houllier, i'd buy a left and right winger for next summer, then our problems would probably be sorted.

You think using wingers in the EPL is a smart move? If one team could do it, it would be Liverpool, defence is a rock. Still you need someone who can get the wingers in action, a man with ideas.

[soccer fanatic]

No argueing here, I think very highly of Gerrard, he played reasonable today against Vitesse too, perhaps he is getting back to his normal level.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


You think using wingers in the EPL is a smart move? If one team could do it, it would be Liverpool, defence is a rock. Still you need someone who can get the wingers in action, a man with ideas.

Gerrard

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
No argueing here, I think very highly of Gerrard, he played reasonable today against Vitesse too, perhaps he is getting back to his normal level.

Yeah, I hope so. We need the real Gerrard back. When he's at his best, he's as good as any other central midfielder in Europe.

[zaccus]

or we could just give cheyrou some time to adapt and he could turn out gold and become the next kop legend: gh has picked out greats like hyypia, trust him

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by zaccus
or we could just give cheyrou some time to adapt and he could turn out gold and become the next kop legend: gh has picked out greats like hyypia, trust him

Cheyrou looks like he's got potential, i hope he gets enough chances to show it. Hamann is about 29 now, and there's been suggestions he could be heading back to Germany.

[Red-Kop]

Houllier has come out and said he was happy with last nights performance, I for one, was not! Typical Houllier bullshit to try and cover up our bad performance.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Houllier has come out and said he was happy with last nights performance, I for one, was not! Typical Houllier bullshit to try and cover up our bad performance.

they were away in Europe,playing an ok team,and having got the shit kicked out of them in the first half in Basel.A clean sheet and a one-nil lead,it's the perfect away result in europe.it's results that matter not the ***king performance,and as for you saying we need wingers,we need Duff and a creator,Gerrard is not a creative midfield player.He's a great passer of the ball,but as you pointed out before he's like a young Vieira,we need a Pires/Zidane type to go with Gerrard,but they must be able to play wide(as in not central midfield, i didn;'t mean as a winger).now if they got Duff(which is doubtful)then you might get your VDM wish,but it's more likely he'll buy a out and out right winger and use Cheyrou as the play-maker from the left.

Hamann won't be going to germany,cos
A:The only team that could afford him is Bayern and he said he wouldn't go back there,he wanted to move on not back(he said this when he left Newcastle for L'POOL)
B:He's one of our most important players and if Houllier sold him he'd be strung up
C:hamann's age is not a factor,in five years he'll still be as effective because of his style of play.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


Yeah, I hope so. We need the real Gerrard back. When he's at his best, he's as good as any other central midfielder in Europe.

except Vieira,he'll get there in a year or so,but he's not as consistent as Vieira and he hasn't really developed his leadership over the team,they don't play a diamond.......they play a midfield with no formation,hence DAIO constantly looking lost last night.He has bought a winger......Diomede and what a player he is!!!!!and as fo Houllier get slated on th official forum,if you actually read what those idiots have said it'll give you a far idea about how much they know.

And Owen does not have one of the best finishing rates in the premiership,his finishing has been terrible this year,remember the games against Newcastle,Villa and Spurs??the amount of chances he missed were unbelievable and he has never had a good finishing rate,he just gets a lot of chances.If fowler got the amount of chances in a season that owen does,he score 40 every year.

As for Liverpool being boring,they tried to shake that at the start of the year but everyone gave out cos they conceded goals,if fairness they shouldn't have tried it while there two best defenders(babbel and henchoz)were out injured.

and as for not needing a journalist to tell you that Kluivert is bad finisher,you either need an optician or a doctor to show you that he is,cos either you eyes are ***ked or there is something gone wrong in your mind,i have my suspicions as to which one it is,but i'll let you figure it out for yourself

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


they were away in Europe,playing an ok team,and having got the shit kicked out of them in the first half in Basel.A clean sheet and a one-nil lead,it's the perfect away result in europe.it's results that matter not the ***king performance,and as for you saying we need wingers,we need Duff and a creator,Gerrard is not a creative midfield player.He's a great passer of the ball,but as you pointed out before he's like a young Vieira,we need a Pires/Zidane type to go with Gerrard,but they must be able to play wide(as in not central midfield, i didn;'t mean as a winger).now if they got Duff(which is doubtful)then you might get your VDM wish,but it's more likely he'll buy a out and out right winger and use Cheyrou as the play-maker from the left.

Hamann won't be going to germany,cos
A:The only team that could afford him is Bayern and he said he wouldn't go back there,he wanted to move on not back(he said this when he left Newcastle for L'POOL)
B:He's one of our most important players and if Houllier sold him he'd be strung up
C:hamann's age is not a factor,in five years he'll still be as effective because of his style of play.

Hamann has said he'd consider moving to Italy or Spain for a new challenge and there's also a possibility that he might be going back to Germany.

Hamann and Gerrard would be extremely effective if we had 2 wingers. Remember Petit and Vieira at Arsenal? Or even Vieira and Gilberto now.

I think there's a very good possibility of getting Duff and the only reason Houllier didn't buy him last season was because of the price, which i think Blackburn may lower anyway.

I haven't got a van der Meyde wish, it was just a suggestion.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


except Vieira,he'll get there in a year or so,but he's not as consistent as Vieira and he hasn't really developed his leadership over the team,they don't play a diamond.......they play a midfield with no formation,hence DAIO constantly looking lost last night.He has bought a winger......Diomede and what a player he is!!!!!and as fo Houllier get slated on th official forum,if you actually read what those idiots have said it'll give you a far idea about how much they know.

And Owen does not have one of the best finishing rates in the premiership,his finishing has been terrible this year,remember the games against Newcastle,Villa and Spurs??the amount of chances he missed were unbelievable and he has never had a good finishing rate,he just gets a lot of chances.If fowler got the amount of chances in a season that owen does,he score 40 every year.

As for Liverpool being boring,they tried to shake that at the start of the year but everyone gave out cos they conceded goals,if fairness they shouldn't have tried it while there two best defenders(babbel and henchoz)were out injured.

and as for not needing a journalist to tell you that Kluivert is bad finisher,you either need an optician or a doctor to show you that he is,cos either you eyes are ***ked or there is something gone wrong in your mind,i have my suspicions as to which one it is,but i'll let you figure it out for yourself

Owen gets lots of chances??? He plays in one of the most defensive teams in the league! And his finishing rate ''is'' one of the highest.

Kluivert is a bad finisher, that's a well known fact.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


Owen gets lots of chances??? He plays in one of the most defensive teams in the league! And his finishing rate ''is'' one of the highest.

Kluivert is a bad finisher, that's a well known fact.

well known by who??the clowns on the official site??

Owen gets at least three to four good chances a game,his shots to goals percentage is something like 18%,and when you consider van nistelrooy is 31%,it kinda proves you wrong.

Zola's is the best,36%,just in case you were wondering.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


Hamann has said he'd consider moving to Italy or Spain for a new challenge and there's also a possibility that he might be going back to Germany.

Hamann and Gerrard would be extremely effective if we had 2 wingers. Remember Petit and Vieira at Arsenal? Or even Vieira and Gilberto now.

I think there's a very good possibility of getting Duff and the only reason Houllier didn't buy him last season was because of the price, which i think Blackburn may lower anyway.

I haven't got a van der Meyde wish, it was just a suggestion.

yeah but Didi said he wouldn't leave til his contract was finished,that's two or three years away.

Yeah but the problem is getting wingers,plus Bergkamp was the creator in that team and they had the pace of anelka and thenhenry,owen is as fast as them,but they are better all round players,and Baros is gonna be grat but he's no Bergkamp.

and now they have Pires and Ljundberg,neither of whom are natural wingers,pires is a creator and Ljundberg is a pain-in-the-arse, he always scores against us,he gets amazing amounts of goals for a midfielder,Bowyer would be a good buy,he'd give us that type of threat,but only after we get a duff/pires,depending on whether GH wants a winger or a playmaker.if he wants a pires,i think theorist mentioned Rosicky,now he'd bring the team to life

I agree they have a better chance of getting duff than any other club,but if he keeps playing as well as he is now,there is only one way his price is gonna go and thats up

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


well known by who??the clowns on the official site??

Owen gets at least three to four good chances a game,his shots to goals percentage is something like 18%,and when you consider van nistelrooy is 31%,it kinda proves you wrong.

Zola's is the best,36%,just in case you were wondering.

Owen and van Nistelrooy both have 8 goals in the league so far this season. Are you telling me Owen gets twice as much service as van Nistelrooy? HAHAHAHA Bullshit!!!!

That 18% is probably from the start of the season.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


yeah but Didi said he wouldn't leave til his contract was finished,that's two or three years away.

Yeah but the problem is getting wingers,plus Bergkamp was the creator in that team and they had the pace of anelka and thenhenry,owen is as fast as them,but they are better all round players,and Baros is gonna be grat but he's no Bergkamp.

and now they have Pires and Ljundberg,neither of whom are natural wingers,pires is a creator and Ljundberg is a pain-in-the-arse, he always scores against us,he gets amazing amounts of goals for a midfielder,Bowyer would be a good buy,he'd give us that type of threat,but only after we get a duff/pires,depending on whether GH wants a winger or a playmaker.if he wants a pires,i think theorist mentioned Rosicky,now he'd bring the team to life

I agree they have a better chance of getting duff than any other club,but if he keeps playing as well as he is now,there is only one way his price is gonna go and thats up

Pires and Ljungberg are wingers, not the Giggs type, but they're still wingers. I think Bowyer would only be a good buy if we get a left winger in too.

Rosicky would be a great buy, but i think we should concentrate on bring in someone like Duff. Duff will eventually want to go on to bigger things, and that's not going to happen at Blackburn, so i think they'd have to lower their price eventually.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


Owen and van Nistelrooy both have 8 goals in the league so far this season. Are you telling me Owen gets twice as much service as van Nistelrooy? HAHAHAHA Bullshit!!!!

That 18% is probably from the start of the season.

it's in all comps,you take away owens two hatricka dnhe's only got seven in all comps and van nistelrooy has played four games less than owen,so if you take them games against city and moscow away,he's player in two games more and scored seven goals less then RVN. ,and Owen was playing as the only main striker most of the year,with the other dropping off him,while RVN plays with another great goalscorer in Solskjaer,RVN doesn't take as many chances as RVN

And of course it's from the start of the season,remember when owen missed 27 straight attempts at goal??

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


Pires and Ljungberg are wingers, not the Giggs type, but they're still wingers. I think Bowyer would only be a good buy if we get a left winger in too.

Rosicky would be a great buy, but i think we should concentrate on bring in someone like Duff. Duff will eventually want to go on to bigger things, and that's not going to happen at Blackburn, so i think they'd have to lower their price eventually.

neither were wingers before they went to Arsenal and neither play like wingers,that's why they play attacking full-backs

agreed on duff needing to leave blackburn but as a l'pool fan you should know how stubborn souness is,remember he bought saunders and clough,and kept playing them even though they were crap,cos he said they'd "come good",he thinks duff can accomplish everything at blackburn

[zaccus]

rule, yes owen played crap the first couple games but its not really fair 2 take away his hattricks when comparing

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


neither were wingers before they went to Arsenal and neither play like wingers,that's why they play attacking full-backs

agreed on duff needing to leave blackburn but as a l'pool fan you should know how stubborn souness is,remember he bought saunders and clough,and kept playing them even though they were crap,cos he said they'd "come good",he thinks duff can accomplish everything at blackburn

I agree to an extent on Pires and Ljungberg.

Souness is stubborn, but if Duff starts to make noises about him wanting to leave for a much bigger club, he'll have to let him, because it'd be unfair on Duff otherwise.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


I agree to an extent on Pires and Ljungberg.

Souness is stubborn, but if Duff starts to make noises about him wanting to leave for a much bigger club, he'll have to let him, because it'd be unfair on Duff otherwise.

yeah but Souness isn't a very fair man

[The Rule]

Originally posted by zaccus
rule, yes owen played crap the first couple games but its not really fair 2 take away his hattricks when comparing

yeah true,but the point is that if you take those games away,he's had a poor season by his standards

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


yeah but Souness isn't a very fair man

True :D

[The Rule]

Tonight we play Sheffield United in the Semi-Final of the Worthington Cup,this is a game that could make or break our season.I hope Houllier goes for an attacking style of play like we have played in this tournament so far.

My line-up would be

Kirkland
Carragher-Henchoz-Hyypia-Riise
Diouff-Gerrard-Murphy-Cheyrou
Baros-Heskey

i'm not 100% sure if Owen is fit, but if he is i hope he doesn't start,we need to try out other partnerships and try to find one that works.this one did work on the rare occasions it was tried(Bolton for example).

This is my 800th post...cool

[poul e]

I would use the same tactic as against Man City. But I would use Riise instead of Traore. And I´m not sure which player to use as a lone striker, but Mellor did a pretty good job against City!! Smicer had a very good game as well against City, but can he do that 2 games in a row? Perhaps we could try Heskey in his position...

-----------------Kirkland-----------------
Carragher--Henchoz--Hyypia--Riise
-------------------Diao-------------------
-----Gerrard---------------Murphy-----
Diouf-----------------------------Smicer
------------------Mellor------------------

I really like this formation!!

[DenTer]

Then play it in championshpi manager :)
And return to reality. :)

its not bad formation but i dont think that mellor is not good enough to play alone as striker.

[poul e]

Problem with this formation is that that the 2 players just behind the striker needs to be very creative. If they´re not, this tactic is dead! And it seems like Diouf and Smicer haven´t been as good as against City....and it didn´t exactly help that Heskey came on for Smicer.....that´s the impression I get thru listening on the radio anyway....

btw...I haven´t played CM for about 2 years, but I have been thinking about trying out this formation :-))

[The Rule]

OK, we lost 2-1,a game we should have won but it's not all bad.We got an away goal so that puts us in a decent position for the return leg at Anfield.It was pretty much a poor performance all round with very few moments of quality by any of our players.

Pros of the night:

Mellor's goal-good to see the young lad score his first senior goal
Diouff's work-rate-he's been called lazy,but he was far from it last night
Traore's booking-it means he'll miss a game,thank god for that
Tonge-future Liverpool star??

Cons of the night:

Defense-they looked like they'd never met before,two weak clearances led to the goals and they didn't cope with the long ball tactics at all last night
Houllier-why he insists on picking sub-standard players and using these tactics is beyond comprehension
Owen-what in god's name is wrong with him??
referee-no real complaints,except that most of the bookings were harsh and Brown should have gone for his foul on Kirkland
Smicer-enough is enough,the man is not good enough
Traore-same as Smicer.

[The Rule]

Second leg tonight,we need to win this badly.

Traore is suspended thankfully enough so one of two things will happen IMO.Either Risse will move to left back and Daio will come into midfield,presumably moving murphy to the right and Diouff to the left,or Carragher will move to left-back with Daio or Babbel taking over at right-back.i prefer the second option with Daio at right back

[poul e]

Another option: We murder them by playing REAL 4-3-3 with this team:

Kirkland
Carragher-Hyypia-Henchoz-Riise
Gerrard-Diao-Murphy
Diouf-Owen-Heskey

But I think that GH will play 4-4-2 and use Murphy at LM where he is cluse to useless as he always go thru the middle anyway....

But I hope it´s gonna be your solution with Diao at RB or my 4-3-3!!!

[The Rule]

i like your 4-4-2,good balance to it.,no doubt JD will come along and tell us that it would be 4-5-1,because he knows a lot about these things.

[poul e]

Well to JDs defence we haven´t been playing real 4-3-3 in the other games but 4-1-2-2-1. But has GH/Thommo said anything about playing attacking 4-3-3 during that period?? I don´t think so.

And Arsenal themselves are playing something like that anyway with Henry as a lone striker and Pires/Bergkamp right behind him....

[The Rule]

exactly,arsenal play 4-5-1,albeit an attacking one.we played 4-3-3 against man.city i was there i know how they lined up

[poul e]

I was trying to find an active thread not "ruined" by discussions between JD and The Rule about Pool/Arsenal/Real/moderators and stuff....but I found it very difficult to find one so I decided to make a new thread....please don´t ruin this one as well!!!!!!

1. Who was our best players? Points 1-10 (10 being the best)

Kirkland 7 (didn´t have that much to do)
Carragher 7½ (a real fighter - 5 stitches to show for it)
Henchoz 8 (very solid - didn´t put a foot wrong!!)
Hyypia 6½ (he has been a lot better than he is at the moment - had problems in the air with the much smaller Unitedplayers)
Riise 8 (damn he was running - he must have been really tired after the game!!!)
Diouf 8½ (he is just getting better and better with each game he plays)
Gerrard 7 (didn´t do much in the first 90, but he surely woke up in the extra 30!)
Murphy 7½ (like always...running all the time...also had some decent passes)
Smicer 5 (what can I say?? what is he doing in the starting line up if he can´t do better than that?? And why did he stay on for 80 minutes??? GH - new LM now please!!!)
Heskey 7 (pretty decent game - but not as good as against S´ton)
Owen 8½ (it´s been a very long time since I last saw him this good!!)

[The Rule]

Owen 81/2??after missing the amount of chances and being as greedy as he was??7 at the most

[The Rule]

the "semi-final" thread was opened for this,the reason this board is so untidy is because people keep opening threads for no reason

[poul e]

Owen created most of his 6 or 7 chances on his own. I think he was our best player yesterday if you consider the entire 120 minutes. Gerrard was probably our best player in extratime and Diouf was our best in the first 60 minutes or so of the match!

So you think we´re opening too many threads now? Well...to be honest I think there´s too much arguing here at the moment. I´m not sure I´m staying if it persists.....

The problem with threads should be fixed when you become mod. so you can categorize!

[The Rule]

i suppose you have a point on Owen,he did show some great skill to create a few openings,but he should have passed on at least 2 occasions.i thought Murphy and gerrard where great last night,however some people have again said that all we did was play long-balls,which anyone who watched the game will know it untrue.our midfield was very good last night,very attack minded,if Cheyrou had started instead of Smicer,it would have been excellent.

My man of the match was actually Stuart McCall,i thought he was incredible last night,he's in his late thirties and yet he ran all night,tackled well and his passing was sharp and accurate.He's an example to young players everywhere.

the only person that i argue with is JD,he is of no benefit to conversations about Liverpool because he only ever makes negative comments.Don't leave,this board needs the likes of yourself and flowforth more than it needs JD.

I didn't mean it like that,it's just repeat threads,there was one for this(and i've checked only myself,yourself and i think one other person had posted on it,so there was no arguing).if there was a mod at the moment,then he could just move them into each other,but it doesn't matter, we'll get the board sorted after the upgrade and we'll catogorise whats' here and then there'll be more room for new threads.

[rshepherd1000]

i thought your best player last night was murphy, he worked SO hard and i lost count of the number of times he won back position inside the sheff utd half

i was very encouraged by owens performance in extra time. he hasnt taken players on enough for my liking recently. since fowler left houlliers been trying to turn owen into a poacher rather than the skillful quick player he really is - that and the fact owen needs six months out of the game in my view to let that hamstring heal completely so he can get back to full pace

[poul e]

Yes Stuart McCall was really good last night, but the other team´s players don´t interest me that much :)

And no....Liverpool certainly didn´t just play high balls yesterday. We now have players who can pass the ball, drible and hold on to the ball. I´m especially thinking about Gerrard who´s getting back to his best and Diouf who is really settling in at RM!! But we seriously need a great LM instead of Smicer who was REALLY poor yesterday!! Riise played very well at LB and I would just love to see him stay there and get an attacking/creative player in front of him. Our team would become so much better if that happened!!!

Your arguments with JD have been a bit much the past 2 days. If you could just keep it in 1 topic then I could just ignore it, but it has spread to several other threads. I certainly hope it gets better!

And yes...it will be nice to get some "order" in the forum so we can get everything categorized. It will also make it so much easier to find old threads as if I f.i. wanted to read what was said about the last Arsenal game I just look under "Matchday" or whatever that forum/category will be named....

[The Rule]

Originally posted by rshepherd1000
i thought your best player last night was murphy, he worked SO hard and i lost count of the number of times he won back position inside the sheff utd half

i was very encouraged by owens performance in extra time. he hasnt taken players on enough for my liking recently. since fowler left houlliers been trying to turn owen into a poacher rather than the skillful quick player he really is - that and the fact owen needs six months out of the game in my view to let that hamstring heal completely so he can get back to full pace

I think Owen in that type of form,and dropping deep and running at defenders like last night would be perfect with Baros playing the poachers role,which is what he is best at.

Murphy was awesome last night,he's been good throughout this bad patch

[The Rule]

Originally posted by poul e
Yes Stuart McCall was really good last night, but the other team´s players don´t interest me that much :)

And no....Liverpool certainly didn´t just play high balls yesterday. We now have players who can pass the ball, drible and hold on to the ball. I´m especially thinking about Gerrard who´s getting back to his best and Diouf who is really settling in at RM!! But we seriously need a great LM instead of Smicer who was REALLY poor yesterday!! Riise played very well at LB and I would just love to see him stay there and get an attacking/creative player in front of him. Our team would become so much better if that happened!!!

Your arguments with JD have been a bit much the past 2 days. If you could just keep it in 1 topic then I could just ignore it, but it has spread to several other threads. I certainly hope it gets better!

And yes...it will be nice to get some "order" in the forum so we can get everything categorized. It will also make it so much easier to find old threads as if I f.i. wanted to read what was said about the last Arsenal game I just look under "Matchday" or whatever that forum/category will be named....

i just thought McCall was an example of how to be a real pro last night.

this is my point,we do not just play direct footbal but we get pigeon-holed by the few idiots.Perhaps Kewell or Duff in front of Riise,that's be something to watch.Diouf looked good last night,still wastes possession a bit too much but he's getting better and better.

he doesn't just spread arguements to more than one threads, he follows me to other FORUMS and posts the same crap,he used to post on the spanish forums about Houllier and things,totally irrelavant like all his posts.

yeah,we'd have say,EPL Thread for league games,Domestic Cups Thread and European Competitions thread.then transfers thread, Houllier thread, player debates thread , Owen thread(he's the most talked about player,deserves his own thread) i have a few other ideas but i'll wait til the upgrade

[rshepherd1000]

i suggested somewhere in the middle of a debate between yourself and JD that maybe baros will get unsettled if he continues to see the lack of confidence houllier is showing in him

houllier has so much faith in heskey for such little return. baros comes in, does the business and gets dropped. id want a polite explanation if i were him

[poul e]

Kewell or Duff in front of Riise would be perfect. Then we would just need Babbel back or a new class RB then we would certainly have a great starting 11!!

Kirkland/Dudek
Babbel/new-Hyypia-Henchoz-Riise
Diouf-Gerrard-Hamann/Murphy-Kewell/Duff
Owen-Heskey/Baros

and with Le Tallac and Pongolle coming in the summer this might begin to look like a team who could get far!!!! But I don´t think that GH is gonna buy any players now anyway...

Baros should have had some time in the team yesterday when Heskey more or less dissapeared from the game...but he wasn´t even on the bench, was he?

@The Rule: JD follows you to other forums??? For real??

It´s gonna be great when the topics are categorized!!

[The Rule]

yeah he has done in the past.

i think Baros and Houllier had a row,that's according to some of the rumours i heard.It stems from Houllier taking him off repeatedly and bringing on the likes of Biscan

[poul e]

I can only say that I don´t blame Baros!
Get over it Houllier and get on with it!!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by poul e
I can only say that I don´t blame Baros!
Get over it Houllier and get on with it!!

IMO ,that's easier said than done

[rshepherd1000]

could you imagine houllier and oleg romantsev sharing their grudge stories with each other?

which one do you think would finish first?

:D

[RedKop]

Originally posted by poul e
I can only say that I don´t blame Baros!

No, i blame Houllier.

What happened to him being as good as Paisley, The Rule?

[The Rule]

i didn't say that, i said best since paisley,and given what's come between paisley and houllier,i stick with that.he's too one dimensional and stubborn and a younger man with fresh ideas is needed

[RedKop]

Originally posted by The Rule
i didn't say that, i said best since paisley,and given what's come between paisley and houllier,i stick with that.he's too one dimensional and stubborn and a younger man with fresh ideas is needed

I agree.

I'd like to see McClaren, Curbishley or O'Neill in charge.

[The Rule]

McClaren is my personal favourite if it's a "home countries" coach,i've made my thoughts on him very clear on these boards.

O;neill is signed for another 12 months at celtic,so he's out.

Curbs is a good coach who gets his teams playing good football.

but i like the Rijkaard/Molby combo that has been mentioned of late.

[poul e]

Man Utd v Arsenal
Southampton or Millwall v Norwich
C Palace or Liverpool v Gillingham or Leeds
Wolves v Rochdale
Fulham v Burnley
Stoke v Chelsea
Blackburn or Sunderland v Watford
Sheff Utd v Walsall


So United and Arsenal fight it out for a chance in the quarterfinals - that´s going to be a great contest!!

Southampton might find it hard to beat Millwall at The Den and I believe that the winner of that game will go thru to the next round.

Liverpool will probably beat Palace 1-0 next Wednesday and then do the same to Leeds in the fifth round.

Wolves will beat Rochdale 5 or 6-0

Fulham will do the same to Burnley

Stoke hardly stand a chance against Chelsea but it is this game where we can hope for a cup upset!!!

Blackburn and Sunderland had a great 3-3 game yesterday and they need a new match to settle it. The winner of that game will go thru to the next round.

Sheff Utd will undoubtedly beat Walsall

[The Rule]

I'd be happy enough to play Leeds at Anfield,especially since Woodgate will be gone by then,leaving there defense to be destroyed by St.Michael

[poul e]

A agree - Leeds at home is a good draw! But let´s get past Palace first!!

[JD]

and I had that strange dream about parlour scoring at old trafford last week-
throw your money at parlour to score
I HAVE HAD A VISION

what a draw though -
as a evil old jock said - football bloddy hell
on one hand we would have preffered not to meet ManYoo till neutral grounds had kicked in
because we believe we are the best team in the league and can beat anyone

but we were glad when Newcastle went out simply because they can beat anyone at St James park

the same applies to ManYoo - they have beaten us there once already

on the other hand to beat them at Old Trafford and personally end their hopes of yet another domestic trophy on their ground
it will be a serious statement that the power really has switched totally to North London
and revenge for not only the 2-0 defeat this season
but along with last seasons championship clinching 1-0
go some way to slaying the demons of THAT thrashing the season before

reveng is a dish best served cold...

er on the other hand are record there really isn't that great I don't know what to think but I want a ticket!!

[The Rule]

i think JD is confused,that refined air at the top of the league must be squeezing his brain.

JD says Parlour will score, i feel it is only right to point out that this is not a reserve team match

[poul e]

....nor is it a game against Farnborough or another non-league club!!

[The Rule]

i think they'd have found that a bit harder if it had been played on the bog in farnborough.

[rshepherd1000]

great to see the romance of the cup still alive with the little clubs drawn against arsenal

i hear they want to switch it to highbury too!

[The Rule]

doesn't matter if it's old trafford,highbury or yyde park,United will beat you lot

[The Rule]

Tonight we play Palace in the fourth round replay at Anfield.

Houllier looks likely to bring Michael Owen back into the team instead of Baros,which IMO is a big mistake.
Gerrard is out due to his suspension,so Didi Hamann will most likely return to the starting XI.Smicer is also suspended,Cheyrou is likely to take his place.

Likely starting line-up:

Dudek
Carragher-Henchoz-Hyypia-Riise
Diuof-Hamann-Murphy-Cheyrou
Owen-Heskey.

I'm hopeful of a performance like the won last Sunday,a 2-0 win would be a good result,but if we get an early goal we might get 4 or 5 against what is an average Palace team

[LFC_91791]

Yeah funny about selecting Owen over Baros, i wouldn't do it but Houllier will always go with Owen first. Hopefully Michael has a great game and gets a goal - he needs it.
If we have any slip ups here i'm gonna be pissed - this should be a walk in the park for us, it's about time we started playing well (like we have been) and winning all the time.

lets go Liverpool - respect is returning!

[poul e]

I´m not at all nervous about this game. I´m sure we´re going to win it. And like you say Rule...an early goal for Pool and we might win 4 or 5-0!!

I´m also very dissapointed that Baros was dropped after a really great game against West Ham where I thought he was our best player.

But lets hope Owen gets a goal and starts playing well again. After all...the only time in the last 3 months or so I´ve seen Owen play well was at home against another 1st division side Sheffield United!

The match is starting now...have a great game everyone!!

[TheMutts]

Palace goal

I dont even want to talk about it.


"If it was possible to kick there own backsides that is what they should be doing right now" ------announcer talking about liverpool




Owen should have 5 goals and the announcers continue to make fun of him missing wide open shots.

[LFC_91791]

Well that was horrible an absolute shambles. How they couldn't find the net with that many chances...........ridiculous.

Thank god i'm in California and not back home the atmosphere must be hell, utterly depressing.

There's nothing you can do to improve aswell you either finish the shot or miss - no coaching in the world will find the net for you. 10 men too. My god this is BAD.

[Drummer]

Oh dear, I didnt think that things cold get this bad for the mighty pool.
I cant remember things being this bad since grahem souness ripped the heart out of Dalglishes classy outfit!!
Hard luck!!

[Eyal Berkovic]

0-2 what a result. This certainly is`nt Liverpools season is it?

[VAN BASTEN]

it's been a tough season so far for Liverpool.

I think

Arsenal
Man U
Newcastle
Chelsea

will fill the 4 Champions league places

[The Rule]

I think we have a chance but not much of one,Newcastle are in great form at the moment and will only get better with the addition of Woodgate,and Chelsea are also back in form.I think it will take a big slip from one of those two for us to qualify and at the moment it doesn't look like happening.

I'd also like to pose the question of; Do we want to qualify for the CL??

I know it seems like a strange question but let me explain......

I was at the game last night and after it i went for a few drinks with a couple of friends,not all Liverpool fans but good football people, and one of them made the point that if were to win a trophy this season or get into the CL,Houllier would almost definitly be in charge next season.However if we end up trophyless and not in Europe(not even UEFA Cup),there would be a strong case for Houllier to resign or whatever.Now the general consensus among most people i talk to is that while Houllier is in charge we will never.......
A)Be able to compete for the EPL or CL
B)Sign true world class players
C)Get the best out of Owen,,Riise,Diouf,Baros and Gerrard due to his style of play.

Now i know it seems extreme but if we were to accept this season as a blow-out and appoint a new manager in the summer(you all know who i want),and bring in two or three top class players and start again next season we would be in better shape.Financially we are more than secure thanks to the new Reebok deal and with talks ongoing with Carlsberg over a very big new sponsorship deal we do not face any kind of turmoil.

While Houllier is in charge we will continue to bore people to death and face more embarrasment against teams which Liverpool should easily beat.

The same thing happened at Real Madrid not so long ago,they failed to qualify for Europe and brought in Fabio Capello as coach,the next year they won La Liga and we all know what's happened since then.

I know that a change doesn't gaureentee anything but it is needed.

Just an idea,i'd like to hear your opinions.

[The Rule]

OK folks lets dissect last nights performance.

It was most definitly a game of two halves......The football we played in the first half was like a return to the old days,it was probably the best we've played all season.The passing was crisp and sharp,the movement of the players off the ball was excellent,Cheyrou was coming infield and linking the play well,Murphy was running the midfield,Didi,Sami and Steph looked solid and Jamie C was kicking everything and everyone in sight,Diouf was twisting and turning defenders like he did in the world-cup,and the final ball was good,only poor finishing stopped us from getting four or five goals.The most interesting thing was that Thompson could clearly be heard shouting,"play it short" and "pass and move", throughout the first half while Houllier sat in the dug-out.Owen should have had at least three in the first half,he missed five good oppurtunites,including one after great work from Diouf.

The second half started out like the first and then disaster struck,Palace put together a good move and a good cross was whipped in from the righthand side,an element of luck involved as Adebola was clearly trying to score but missed his header and the ball dropped for Julian Gray who unleashed an unstoppable shot past Dudek from about 8 yards.

As soon as the goal went in we changed our style,Sgt.Bilko returned to the sidelines and began screaming at the defenders to "put it long",he was shouting at Riise to stay back for some reason as well.The midfield went completely out of the game,although Diouf moved further up and continued to cause the palace defenders to have panic attacks everytime he got the ball.Murphy and Cheyrou looked lost,Murphy was substituted when it was clear that Cheyrou was the one who needed to be taken off.And Hamann's lack of fitness began to tell.Baros missed a good chance just after he replaced Murphy.

The Heskey missed a great chance before we got a bit of luck,Dougie Freedman stupidly retaliated to a foul by Hyypia with a vicious elbow to the face of the giant Finn and was rightfully shown a red card.

As he walked off the buzz came back into the Kop but it didn't last as Palace were soon 2-0,great work from Gray took him between Hyypia and Hamann before he tried to square the ball for Adebola,Stephane Henchoz seemed in two minds over whether to kick it clear or head it clear,in the end he did neither and the ball bounced of his chest and into the net.

And so that was that,out of the FA Cup in embarrassing style, and a very disgruntled group of fans let Parry and the board know exactly what we thought of Houllier.

A game we should have won but failed to.Fair play to Palace,they battled and fought for everything and took their chances when the got them.And in Julian Gray they look to have a real star in the making.

My ratings for our players last night:

Dudek - 5
Had very little to do other than the goals neither of which he can be blamed for.

Carragher - 5
Good first half,given the run around by Gray in the second.

Henchoz - 5
The man is clearly not fit and shouldn't have been on the field.he needs a rest.

Hyypia - 5
Poor defending for the second goal,missed a great chance in the first half

Riise - 6
Actually had a decent game,but the refusal of the management to allow him to attack in the second half was disgraceful

Diouf - 8
By far our best player,he's begining to look worthy of his large price tag.Cause Palace problems all night and was unlucky not to get a penalty in the second half.Missed a good chance when put through by Owen.

Hamann - 5
See Henchoz

Murphy - 6
Looked good in the first,the change of tactics in the second half took him out of the game.

Cheyrou - 6
Looked bright early,had two good chances and made another two for Owen,faded badly in the second half.

Owen - 4
Why was he playing,he should have gotten AT LEAST three goals.His poor form can't be blamed on lack of chances,their is another,more deep-rooted problem,but what??

Heskey-6
He continued his recent good performances,would have been a '7',but for THAT miss.

Subs:
Baros - 5
Why didn't he start??had one good chance but never really got into the game.

Manager:
Houllier - 0
Why was Baros dropped?Why did he change the style of play after the goal??Why did he take Murphy off?why wouldn't he let Riise attack in the second half??How many games are we from greatness now??Are we still turning corners,cos i'm getting dizzy??Why won't he do the noble thing and resign??

[The Rule]

Just want to say welcome to LFC_91791 and welcome back to the Mutts,stick around you two.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Drummer
Oh dear, I didnt think that things cold get this bad for the mighty pool.
I cant remember things being this bad since grahem souness ripped the heart out of Dalglishes classy outfit!!
Hard luck!!

why do i get the feeling you aren't being completely sincere??

[Drummer]

why do i get the feeling you aren't being completely sincere??
By no means am I devastated, but Im not one to gloat when my foes are having a bad patch.
I actually meant, oh dear, as in , not that IM upset but its a bit of a farce at the pool at the mo!
I do think that the souness eera was simnilar to this season, apart from the beginning of the season.
When United were dominating the league, I never slagged my Liverpool mates about liverpool, only when I got grief. I prefer to take a pop at rivals when they are better then united or when their fans think that they are better then their team obviously is.
A prime example is man city. B4 this years 3-1 defeat United v City games werent as important as they may have been when united werent so much better then them. Every derby game in the last 10 years had been won by United, so really there was no rivalry on Uniteds side. Particularly the intense rivalry that has been between Liverpool and United, these games were always great.
I felt very little when city went down, just that it was 6 points guaranteed, relegated.
My point is that I prefer to see the likes of liverpool and City playing well as its not as much fun going into these type of games when really one team is far superior.
I wouldnt of minded meeting the pool in the latter stages of the FA cup or in europe, but I have the opinion of english teams (outside of united) in europe etc like I do of England internationl team. I like to see them get to the later stages of tournaments, but I amnt a supporter of the likes of Liverpool and arsenal or leeds, when they are in finals etc. If they win, then you have their fans recking my head!!! Im sure its works both ways, but I dont gloat or get all smug with fans, unless they reck my head with stupid comments. When england win a big game, the papers make them out to be the team of the f8cking century, and its very annoying. It reminds me of the responses SOME (not all) liverpool lads had when liverpool won the 3 cups. All of a sudden Liverpool were the worlds best etc!!
I have no problem with other teams winning, once its not thrown in my face. I dont begrudge fans that support their team proudly, good football or not and that dont brag about how great their team is (particularly when they arent as good as they say and cant even answer questions on their teams class!!;) ) particulalry when they know the people that they are bragging to arent having the greatest time. Kicking people when they are down is what I call it!!
So JD, when a persons dog dies, do you talk about how much fun you have with your dog and how your dog is admired by so many? I wouldnt be surprised if he did. When United are playing well and liverpool playing as bad as that, I dont think that there is any need to have a go as the pain of their totally desisterous performance is enough punishment. Maybe not as bad as losing a dog, but none the less it hurts, I know!!!
Rivalry is good crack, but is better when its with rivals that are more to your equal. Thats not a slag, but its like when Everton v Liverpool games in the 80's were amazing spectacles. Its why the only decent game in scotland is the one between Rangers and Celtic. Its why United v Liverpool is always more intriging then any other game in the EPL!!!

[Drummer]

why do i get the feeling you aren't being completely sincere??
By no means am I devastated, but Im not one to gloat when my foes are having a bad patch.
I actually meant, oh dear, as in , not that IM upset but its a bit of a farce at the pool at the mo!
I do think that the souness eera was simnilar to this season, apart from the beginning of the season.
When United were dominating the league, I never slagged my Liverpool mates about liverpool, only when I got grief. I prefer to take a pop at rivals when they are better then united or when their fans think that they are better then their team obviously is.
A prime example is man city. B4 this years 3-1 defeat United v City games werent as important as they may have been when united werent so much better then them. Every derby game in the last 10 years had been won by United, so really there was no rivalry on Uniteds side. Particularly the intense rivalry that has been between Liverpool and United, these games were always great.
I felt very little when city went down, just that it was 6 points guaranteed, relegated.
My point is that I prefer to see the likes of liverpool and City playing well as its not as much fun going into these type of games when really one team is far superior.
I wouldnt of minded meeting the pool in the latter stages of the FA cup or in europe, but I have the opinion of english teams (outside of united) in europe etc like I do of England internationl team. I like to see them get to the later stages of tournaments, but I amnt a supporter of the likes of Liverpool and arsenal or leeds, when they are in finals etc. If they win, then you have their fans recking my head!!! Im sure its works both ways, but I dont gloat or get all smug with fans, unless they reck my head with stupid comments. When england win a big game, the papers make them out to be the team of the f8cking century, and its very annoying. It reminds me of the responses SOME (not all) liverpool lads had when liverpool won the 3 cups. All of a sudden Liverpool were the worlds best etc!!
I have no problem with other teams winning, once its not thrown in my face. I dont begrudge fans that support their team proudly, good football or not and that dont brag about how great their team is (particularly when they arent as good as they say and cant even answer questions on their teams class!!;) ) particulalry when they know the people that they are bragging to arent having the greatest time. Kicking people when they are down is what I call it!!
So JD, when a persons dog dies, do you talk about how much fun you have with your dog and how your dog is admired by so many? I wouldnt be surprised if he did. When United are playing well and liverpool playing as bad as that, I dont think that there is any need to have a go as the pain of their totally desisterous performance is enough punishment. Maybe not as bad as losing a dog, but none the less it hurts, I know!!!
Rivalry is good crack, but is better when its with rivals that are more to your equal. Thats not a slag, but its like when Everton v Liverpool games in the 80's were amazing spectacles. Its why the only decent game in scotland is the one between Rangers and Celtic. Its why United v Liverpool is always more intriging then any other game in the EPL!!!

[Drummer]

why do i get the feeling you aren't being completely sincere??
By no means am I devastated, but Im not one to gloat when my foes are having a bad patch.
I actually meant, oh dear, as in , not that IM upset but its a bit of a farce at the pool at the mo!
I do think that the souness eera was simnilar to this season, apart from the beginning of the season.
When United were dominating the league, I never slagged my Liverpool mates about liverpool, only when I got grief. I prefer to take a pop at rivals when they are better then united or when their fans think that they are better then their team obviously is.
A prime example is man city. B4 this years 3-1 defeat United v City games werent as important as they may have been when united werent so much better then them. Every derby game in the last 10 years had been won by United, so really there was no rivalry on Uniteds side. Particularly the intense rivalry that has been between Liverpool and United, these games were always great.
I felt very little when city went down, just that it was 6 points guaranteed, relegated.
My point is that I prefer to see the likes of liverpool and City playing well as its not as much fun going into these type of games when really one team is far superior.
I wouldnt of minded meeting the pool in the latter stages of the FA cup or in europe, but I have the opinion of english teams (outside of united) in europe etc like I do of England internationl team. I like to see them get to the later stages of tournaments, but I amnt a supporter of the likes of Liverpool and arsenal or leeds, when they are in finals etc. If they win, then you have their fans recking my head!!! Im sure its works both ways, but I dont gloat or get all smug with fans, unless they reck my head with stupid comments. When england win a big game, the papers make them out to be the team of the f8cking century, and its very annoying. It reminds me of the responses SOME (not all) liverpool lads had when liverpool won the 3 cups. All of a sudden Liverpool were the worlds best etc!!
I have no problem with other teams winning, once its not thrown in my face. I dont begrudge fans that support their team proudly, good football or not and that dont brag about how great their team is (particularly when they arent as good as they say and cant even answer questions on their teams class!!;) ) particulalry when they know the people that they are bragging to arent having the greatest time. Kicking people when they are down is what I call it!!
So JD, when a persons dog dies, do you talk about how much fun you have with your dog and how your dog is admired by so many? I wouldnt be surprised if he did. When United are playing well and liverpool playing as bad as that, I dont think that there is any need to have a go as the pain of their totally desisterous performance is enough punishment. Maybe not as bad as losing a dog, but none the le