What do you think of Eninem's music? [Archive]

funky6

02-05-2003, 06:17 PM

Though overhyped his music,artwork and lyrics are great.He's a great artist and i don't care if ppl who like him also listen to Madonna or Britney and Offspring.Still i have never bought an album of his,just many songs here and there and a few i've downloaded.

Juan,it's not "just rap".Alongside with punk and acid house,rap has been one of the most rebelious and important movements in modern music.

Lataralus

02-05-2003, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by gnlvagosov
agreed!!:D

Cypress Hill & Method Man rule!:evil:

Eh...some of Eminem's music is OK, but he is not my favorite rapper.

I agrree...Cypress Hill and Method man are better! But my favorite rappers I think are Jurassic 5, Bone Thugs, Talib Kweli, Nas, Snoop, Dre....I like alot of rap actually....But Eminem is not one of my favorites.

gnlvagosov

02-05-2003, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Lataralus
Eh...some of Eminem's music is OK, but he is not my favorite rapper.

I agrree...Cypress Hill and Method man are better! But my favorite rappers I think are Jurassic 5, Bone Thugs, Talib Kweli, Nas, Snoop, Dre....I like alot of rap actually....But Eminem is not one of my favorites.

Knock'turnal has been doing good lately.

Moon-Star

02-06-2003, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by OAnimal
Sorry, but in my opinion, he sucks big time.

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by gnlvagosov
agreed!!:D

Cypress Hill & Method Man rule!:evil:

:thumbsup:

doz

02-06-2003, 04:26 PM

Personally i think 99% of rap music sucks but i have to admit that Eminem is talented when it comes to writing lyrics.

doz

02-06-2003, 04:53 PM

Just out of curiosity, what do people make of the lyrics of this song?

ifamericatoldthetruthforonedayit'sworldwouldfallapart (1993)

IMAGES OF PERFECTION, SUNTAN AND NAPALM. GRENADA - HAITI - POLAND - NICARAGUA. WHO SHALL WE CHOOSE FOR OUR MORALITY. I'M THINKING RIGHT NOW OF HOLLYWOOD TRAGEDY. BIG MAC SMACK: PHOENIX R: PLEASE SMILE Y'ALL. CUBA, MEXICO CAN'T CAUTERISE OUR DISCIPLINE. YOUR IDOLS SPEAK SO MUCH OF THE ABYSS. YET YOUR MORALS ONLY RUN AS DEEP AS THE SURFACE.

COOL - GROOVY - MORNING - FINE. TIPPER GORE WAS FRIEND OF MINE. I LOVE A FREE COUNTRY. THE STARS AND STRIPES AND AN APPLE FOR MOMMY.

CONSERVATIVES SAY THERE AIN'T NO BLACK IN THE UNION JACK. DEMOCRAT SAY THERE AIN'T ENOUGH WHITE IN THE STARS AND STRIPES.

COMPTON - HARLEM - A PIMP ***KED A PRIEST. THE WHITE MAN HAS JUST FOUND A NEW MORAL SAVIOUR. VITAL STATS - HOW WHITE WAS THEIR SKIN. UNIMPORTANT - JUST ANOTHER INNER-CITY DRIVE BY THING. MORNING - FINE - SERVE YOUR FIRST COFFEE OF THE DAY. REAL PRIVILEGE, IT WILL TAKE YOUR PROBLEMS AWAY. NUMBER ONE - THE BEST - NO EXCUSE FROM ME. I AM HERE TO SERVE THE MORAL MAJORITY.

COOL - GROOVY - MORNING - FINE. TIPPER GORE WAS A FRIEND OF MINE. I LOVE A FREE COUNTRY. THE STARS AND STRIPES AND AN APPLE FOR MOMMY.

ZAPRUDER THE FIRST TO MASTURBATE. THE WORLD'S FIRST TASTE OF CRUCIFIED GRACE.

***K THE BRADY BILL. ***K THE BRADY BILL. IF GOD MADE MAN THEY SAY. SAM COLT MADE HIM EQUAL.

soccer fanatic

02-06-2003, 05:11 PM

He is a good rapper with a good voice for it, but I can`t say I would buy a CD of him.

His lines touch the limits I think... ... ...

Jessica

02-06-2003, 05:54 PM

I like him.

BLAUGRANA

02-07-2003, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by Juan
I think he´s a talented rapper. But it´s just rap after all...

Pretty much my take. I'd add that he's too concerned with "shock" value and getting the spotlight. He could be better if he matures.

Lataralus

02-07-2003, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
Pretty much my take. I'd add that he's too concerned with "shock" value and getting the spotlight. He could be better if he matures.

I agree...i do think his music has matured a bit actually...I would much rather listen to his more recent music, rather than any of his older, more juvenile music. I think he has a ways to go though...

LeeXun

02-07-2003, 03:14 PM

I wanna ask a question.
Why RAP music need vulgarity?

Lataralus

02-07-2003, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by LeeXun
I wanna ask a question.
Why RAP music need vulgarity?

Its just the way it is...its the enviroment that alot of these rappers grew up in...Its just common that way.

ItalianBoy

02-09-2003, 12:19 AM

Eminem changed a lot.
He started by killing people and shit, that was of course to get in, and now he is the troubled guy.
I dont care about him, some songs are good, some are horrible.
I saw his movie and I liked it.

And aboot the vulgarity thing, its cuz all of this teen kids love to hear this stuff, its for the same reason we said before, the USA its very boggoted, and they need to get "weird" in music, shows etc.

soccer fanatic

02-09-2003, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by LeeXun
I wanna ask a question.
Why RAP music need vulgarity?

Try using words as sesquipedalian in a rap.
Vulgar words are short and powerfull, therefore easy too use.

Also often the only words they have in their vocabulary.

Azerkid

02-09-2003, 12:43 AM

I like Eminem, hes a preety good rapper.

Most of his songs are that are " publicized " are kind of lame but alot of his freestyles and mixtapes show how really good he is especially his 8-mile soundtrack.

I personally think there are better rappers than him. I like 50 Cent, Nas,and Tupac.

If you guys like rap, yall should check out Shaheed the Posterboy and Jin, these two guys are great rappers and are retired on BET Freestyle Friday.

Some other good rappers I also like are Canibus, Freeway, Royce da 5'9, WC, and Obie Triee.

Azerkid

02-09-2003, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
Eminem changed a lot.
He started by killing people and shit, that was of course to get in, and now he is the troubled guy.
I dont care about him, some songs are good, some are horrible.
I saw his movie and I liked it.

And aboot the vulgarity thing, its cuz all of this teen kids love to hear this stuff, its for the same reason we said before, the USA its very boggoted, and they need to get "weird" in music, shows etc.

Eminem never killed anyone, he grew up in a Detrot suburb with bad parents, hes never realy been a trouble maker in his youth, that stuff started much after he stared rapping but its was only minor stuff.

Anyone know 50 cent? He's been shot 9 times and had a troublesome history involving drugs and murder. Download the song "Ghetto Quaran" its tells his story

barça

02-09-2003, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
And aboot the vulgarity thing, its cuz all of this teen kids love to hear this stuff, its for the same reason we said before, the USA its very boggoted, and they need to get "weird" in music, shows etc.

Is that why you curse in most of your posts?

ItalianBoy

02-09-2003, 12:54 AM

Dude, I mean in his songs!:rolleyes:
Me curse?
To curse once or twice its ok. But the rappers dont just curse! they talk so much shit about women etc.
And about cursing, the only country that makes songs with so much curse to then cesor it its the USA!
:rolleyes:

barça

02-09-2003, 01:00 AM

Here we go again with your wonderful inside regarding other countries. How do you know that the USA is the only country that curses so much?

You are too much, fun to post with but too much.:rolleyes: :cool:

ItalianBoy

02-09-2003, 01:04 AM

You still dont want to get me.
The USa curses and then they make 2 type of CDs Cesored, and explicit. Stupid thing.
My point is not how much they curse.
And about knowing why they curse so much, hear any rap song etc.
Thanks.

soccer fanatic

02-09-2003, 01:06 AM

It is an image the USA has.

barça

02-09-2003, 01:08 AM

But why is it that with you is all about the USA? Do you know that in Spain, until 1975 everything was censored, women could not even play professional sports? I can give you examples of every country censoring even more.

I don't want to come accross like a fan of the USA as much as I think that you exagerate everything about the USA and you live there!

You are right I still don't get you.:confused:

Lataralus

02-09-2003, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by Azerkid
I like Eminem, hes a preety good rapper.

I personally think there are better rappers than him. I like 50 Cent, Nas,and Tupac.

.

Me too!

ItalianBoy

02-09-2003, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by barça
But why is it that with you is all about the USA? Do you know that in Spain, until 1975 everything was censored, women could not even play professional sports? I can give you examples of every country censoring even more.

I don't want to come accross like a fan of the USA as much as I think that you exagerate everything about the USA and you live there!

You are right I still don't get you.:confused:

About spain I dont know.
And I live here yes, I am not saying everything in the Usa is wrong, I just said that for my experince and as you can see everyone else too, the USA is way more biggot than many other countries.

We did not say you are assholes, we said that your type of society is not an open one like they want to make it seem.

ffours

02-21-2003, 12:47 PM

White surburben kids love him and so does MTV, no wonder why hes huge.

Great writer, but he lacks in freestyle.

BLAUGRANA

02-21-2003, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
It is an image the USA has.

LOL! Really? If that's the case, then ***K YOU! :silly: :D ;) :evil: :angel:

zeleni jurèek

02-21-2003, 06:44 PM

a genious that made MTV show fuse with the hardness of rap..

If he matures in his vocabulary he could be the only rap legend, that will stay on top for ages.

Seeming to rap in a light hiphop style he becomes truly legend. It's hard to be greater then him if he continues with his modern rap evolution for just a decay longer. To be richer is almost already impossible.

Lataralus

02-21-2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by BLAUGRANA
LOL! Really? If that's the case, then ***K YOU! :silly: :D ;) :evil: :angel:

Nicely put. :D

soccer fanatic

02-21-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by BLAUGRANA
LOL! Really? If that's the case, then ***K YOU! :silly: :D ;) :evil: :angel:

:thumbsup:
Hereby confirmed. :D:D:D

BLAUGRANA

02-22-2003, 03:42 AM

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
:thumbsup:
Hereby confirmed. :D:D:D

LOL! Only kidding mate. You should mind the stereotypes. That's like me saying that all Dutch people smoke pot everyday.

soccer fanatic

02-22-2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by BLAUGRANA
LOL! Only kidding mate. You should mind the stereotypes. That's like me saying that all Dutch people smoke pot everyday.

I said it was an image the USA has, I didn`t just say that, that is true, it doesn`t mean I think every single citizen in the USA acts that way.

I know you were kidding three of ":D" should have implied too you I was only kidding too.

BLAUGRANA

02-22-2003, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
I said it was an image the USA has, I didn`t just say that, that is true, it doesn`t mean I think every single citizen in the USA acts that way.

I know you were kidding three of ":D" should have implied too you I was only kidding too.

I know you were just saying it's an image the US has, as I was saying that that's an image Amsterdam and Holland have here in the US.

I knew you were kidding, but I don't normally say F YOU to someone, so I just wanted you to know I was kidding.

The Rule

02-24-2003, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by ffours
White surburben kids love him and so does MTV, no wonder why hes huge.

Great writer, but he lacks in freestyle.

Eminem lacks in freestyle???I think you should get a tape of his old stuff before Dre,when he was free-styling and you might re-consider.

Azerkid

02-25-2003, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by The Rule
Eminem lacks in freestyle???I think you should get a tape of his old stuff before Dre,when he was free-styling and you might re-consider.

His freestyle is very good but different, he rhymes much diffrently in his songs than his freestyle, hes not really a "freestyle" artist so that why many might think that hes not a good freestyler.

The best freestyler/lyricist IMO is Canibus, he's a genius with words and few years back had "beef" with LL Cool J (and his ghostwriters) who he tore up and that was only in the beginning of his career. Dowload "Rip the Jacker" to hear it.

The Rule

02-25-2003, 03:24 PM

The best free-stylers i've heard are Method Man and Ludicris,Redman is actually very good as well.

Eminem's style is unique which is what makes him so popular.

rebeli

02-25-2003, 10:18 PM

I think Mos Def is a good freestyler as well as Snoop. If anyone tuned in to a show on MTV called Lyricist lounge where the whole point is freestyling you would agree. Eminem is also very good at it. But the best rappers are not necessarily the ones who can freestyle the best. An example is Nas, i think he is one of the best but he is not known for his freestyl same with many of the Wutang members they have good lyrics but not all are known for freestyling ability.

Lataralus

02-26-2003, 02:05 AM

Azerkid

02-27-2003, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by rebeli
I think Mos Def is a good freestyler as well as Snoop. If anyone tuned in to a show on MTV called Lyricist lounge where the whole point is freestyling you would agree. Eminem is also very good at it. But the best rappers are not necessarily the ones who can freestyle the best. An example is Nas, i think he is one of the best but he is not known for his freestyl same with many of the Wutang members they have good lyrics but not all are known for freestyling ability.

I agree about Nas, he's ok in freestyling but he's better through his songs, I think he can smoke any rapper through his songs rather that freestyling.

Do you guys watch BET Freestyle Fridays? The 2 Hall of Famers Jin and Posterboy are crazy freestylers, both of them won 8 battles in a row and are retired. They way they freestyle is awesome and they arent allowed to curse in this show which makes it more difficult especially with 30 second limit.

Lataralus

02-27-2003, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by Azerkid
I agree about Nas, he's ok in freestyling but he's better through his songs, I think he can smoke any rapper through his songs rather that freestyling.

Do you guys watch BET Freestyle Fridays? The 2 Hall of Famers Jin and Posterboy are crazy freestylers, both of them won 8 battles in a row and are retired. They way they freestyle is awesome and they arent allowed to curse in this show which makes it more difficult especially with 30 second limit.

Yeah I have seen that show...its wicked cool....

rebeli

02-27-2003, 10:18 PM

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Jessica

03-04-2003, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by rebeli
Anyone heard 50 cent?

Yeah. I heard In Da Club

rebeli

03-04-2003, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Jessica
Yeah. I heard In Da Club

So what do you think of it? I think that one plus Wanksta were cool

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Jessica

03-05-2003, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by rebeli
So what do you think of it? I think that one plus Wanksta were cool

I like them. There cool songs :D

Jessica

03-05-2003, 07:29 AM

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The Rule

03-05-2003, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Jessica
I think the guys got the point.

i bet you loved it, dirty dirty girl

rebeli

03-06-2003, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by Jessica
I like them. There cool songs :D

I guess we have some similar tastes in music. I havent seen your name that much. Are you mainly in the Barcelona forums?

Jessica

03-06-2003, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by The Rule
i bet you loved it, dirty dirty girl

Really funny :rolleyes:

Jessica

03-06-2003, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by rebeli
I guess we have some similar tastes in music. I havent seen your name that much. Are you mainly in the Barcelona forums?

Yeah in the Barca forum and Argentinian forum. But I havent latelly been posting.
Visit 50cent.com, it's a good site :p

rebeli

03-06-2003, 10:53 PM

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peace

Jessica

03-07-2003, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by rebeli
I will see you on those barca forums
peace

I hope so :D

Petko

03-07-2003, 01:16 AM

Personally, I think that Eminem's music, is mainly shit. I don't mind his new '8 Mile' songs and 'Superman' but all the others are pretty much the same thing over and over again. Either he makes little immature, meaningless songs that are funny for a while, or he just talks about killing innocent people such as women and children. His songs like "My Name Is" and "The Real Slim Shady" or something like that, are all the same, just him fooling around, you can't take him seriously.
It seems he has nothing to talk about, I enjoy Rap a lot, and listen to artists such as 2pac who have a message in their song that I feel many people including myself can relate to at times, and he says it in a mature manner. (Sure there's swearing in almost everyone of 2pac's songs, but he grew up in that kind of environment that the language he uses is normal, Eminem on the the other hand did not)
Eminem seems to pretend that he's something he's not so that he can get attention and have an excuse to his stupid lyrics. Basically he's just crying on the mic, like a little kid who doesn't know how to express himself. He supposedly grew up in a pretty decent house, his mother was supposedly alright, until his teens when she got ***ked up, but besides that, he hasn't had such a bad life as he depicts.
I think that if he continues to rap about things that people can somewhat relate to (8 mile songs, 'Superman') than I won't mind it, but that's about all I'll think about it...

rebeli

03-08-2003, 06:50 PM

Well alot of his subject matter is not pretty like you said. But you have to understand that this guy grew up in some harsh circumstances. I am not saying that his a good reason but i think you can understand what it can do to someones mental stability. Just watch the movie 8 mile which is loosely based on his life. Apart from the songs about killing he show cases very good lyrics but to appreciate this you have to listen closely. Dont forget that it is still a business and if violence sells which it does that is what he has to produce.

Petko

03-08-2003, 11:08 PM

I don't think that's a good enough excuse.
I mean 2pac grew up in much worse circumstances and you didn't see him talking about killing innocent women and children.
It's just a matter of how you can deal with your problems, something that Eminem isn't good at.

Mz^BasTuRk

03-10-2003, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by Petko
I don't think that's a good enough excuse.
I mean 2pac grew up in much worse circumstances and you didn't see him talking about killing innocent women and children.
It's just a matter of how you can deal with your problems, something that Eminem isn't good at.

I agree with u Petko on some things. I don't really like Eminem (although both my brothers idolise him and most of my friends love him) some of his songs are good but when he sings of killing women and children i sit back and think what a fool. Majority of Tupac's songs have meaning when u listen to the words and understand his side of the world from his perspective and till this day a lot of ppl respect him. Have you heard his better dayz album i think still ballin is one of the best songs on ther.

zeleni jurèek

03-10-2003, 04:27 PM

why a fool, if he just let it out...

Petko

03-10-2003, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Mz^BasTuRk
I agree with u Petko on some things. I don't really like Eminem (although both my brothers idolise him and most of my friends love him) some of his songs are good but when he sings of killing women and children i sit back and think what a fool. Majority of Tupac's songs have meaning when u listen to the words and understand his side of the world from his perspective and till this day a lot of ppl respect him. Have you heard his better dayz album i think still ballin is one of the best songs on ther.

Yeah, I have the CD Better Dayz, along with Greatest Hits and Until the End Of Time

Still Ballin is quite a the good song, the beat is pretty strong, which I like a lot. I could recommend you some other good 2pac songs if your interested...

As for why is Eminem a fool for letting it out, it's not that he's letting it out that makes him an idiot, it's how he let's it out. Basically he's screaming and crying about nothing. Like, look at who he attacks on his songs, Moby ? What the hell is Moby going to do to you? See what I mean, he just picks on people who he knows won't do anything, makes him feel tough. 2pac attacked people who had to do with his anger, Mobb Deep, Bad Boy (Biggie, Puff Daddy), Dre, Nas, Jay-z, LL Cool J, etc.)
So far, only in Superman he admits that he can be broken, that he too can be hurt. Speaking how his girlfriend hurt him a lot when they broke up and everything like that, before he wouldn't admit it, he'd just say he wants to kill her because she's a 'bitch'

monte

03-11-2003, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Petko
. 2pac attacked people who had to do with his anger, Mobb Deep, Bad Boy (Biggie, Puff Daddy), Dre, Nas, Jay-z, LL Cool J, etc.)

that's about everyone in the scene :eek: :D

Petko

03-11-2003, 05:48 PM

Hahahha, true, but many of them attacked him first :D

Mobb Deep went along with the rumours that 2pac was raped in jail (which is not true at all) and started dissing him in there songs.
Bad Boy supposedly set up 2pac when he was shot 5 times in New York in 94', apparently Biggie and Puffy knew that there was a hit set up on Pac's life, but didn't bother to help him out, even after he was shot 5 times, he managed to take the elevator to the floor where Biggie and Puffy were and Pac always said that Biggie seemed so suprised he was alive, almost like he expected him to be dead. (watch the beginning of "2 Of Amerikaz Most Wanted" video and you will see a re-anactment of what supposedly happened that day)
Dre, 2pac attacked because he thought he was gay. There have been many who have thought the same :D Also, 2pac was upset at Dre not showing his support to Snoop Dogg while he was on trial for murder, Dre was supposedly his best friend, but didn't even attend the trial :rolleyes:
Nas had said that he was just like 2pac, and actually began stealing his beats, he said that he knew what it was like getting shot five times, although he was never shot, and bullshit like that, 2pac dissed him up in a couple of songs, but later the two squashed their beef at some Music Awards less than a week before Pac was killed in Vegas.
Jay-z went along with Biggie and Bad Boy, and Pac figured if you were down with Bad Boy, you weren't down with him, so he didn't like you either
LL Cool J dissed 2pac in an un-released Bad Boy song saying that he had shot 2pac and that 2pac was raped in jail.

Does that help Monte ? ;) :D

monte

03-11-2003, 07:07 PM

Jeez! Petko you should get a job at a music magazine :D you know all the details :cool: yes, now I get the picture :thumbsup: It all comes down to loyalty and being fair and most people aren't :rolleyes:

rebeli

03-11-2003, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Petko
Hahahha, true, but many of them attacked him first :D

2pac was raped in jail (which is not true at all)

I wouldnt like to believe that either, but you cant know what happens behind those bars.whatever 2 pac said or magazines say.

Petko

03-11-2003, 11:44 PM

I think of it this way, just like Pac once said when asked what he thought about the rumours that he was raped in jail:
What makes you think he would get raped in jail when the people in there don't have lethal weapons such as guns. If he wouldn't lie down to the three robbers who eventually shot them when he tried to take away their guns, what makes you think he would lie down to someone without a gun ?

PS. Yes, Monte, don't worry, one day you'll see my name and/or face on the TV ;) :D

NeraAzzurri32

03-12-2003, 04:40 AM

.........

in my opinion, Rappers today are Bad mon wanna be's, for example..........eminem, 50 cent (SNITCH), ja Rule ...etc...etc........

The Only Rappers that ever lived a thug life and wrote the best lyrics was Biggie, Pac, Eazy E, Snoop Dogg when he was eastside connected, DRE, Outlaws, and Deathrow....................These People were the real deal

Petko

03-12-2003, 05:13 AM

Correction, the only rappers who lived a Thug Life were Outlawz and 2pac. Biggie never lived a 'Thug Life' nor were his lyrics close to being the best. Biggie could flow, the man was the master, give him a beat and he would hold it down for whatever whenever, he could flow. But Biggie could only flow, he couldn't even get his own beats, that's where 2pac comes in, 2pac made his owns beats and his lyrics were very deep. Snoop Dogg was never Thug Life, when he rode with the East-Siderz or when he was in the West Coast with 2pac at DeathRow. Snoop is just a sell-out, he raps about what people like at the time. Hey, I don't mind Snoop, but after listening to his last couple albums I've realized he's slipped. When Pac was around and DeathRow was huge, that's when Gangsta Rap got popular, and Pac was always promoting Thug Life, so Snoop wanted that image too, because he knew it sold. After Pac was killed, new rappers like Ja Rule who is more Hip-Hop come out and start selling records huge, so now Snoop has turned more Hip-Hop, all he ever raps about in his songs nowadays is himself, always speaking his name and what not, he needs some new material :rolleyes:
As for Dre, Dre is just as much a wanna be as Eminem, if he represented Thug Life he would be more hardcore, but Dre's a pussy, he saw that he could be in danger, and he decides to leave the hood, but at the same time he calls himself a gangsta. Give me a break, if anything Dre's a pussy, not a gangsta, look at Pac, he said from the start that he's Thug Life and he later knew that his life was in danger, and a way to get out of danger would be to get out of Thug Life, but he didn't, he swore by Thug Life, he lived a Thug Life and for that he died a Thug Life, now that's a true soldier.

NeraAzzurri32

03-12-2003, 05:45 AM

..........yea but my point was that snoop had it going when he was connected with eastside, but now him and Dre are all Commercial, and that brought down Gangsta Rap,

No Doubt that pac lived a thug Life, he was raped,he's been in and out of jail, and most important, he was a hustler,plus he was the first man to have start war bewtween WestCoast and East Coast..........and just to finish off, if it weren't for the influence of biggie,pac,Snoop,Dre, and eazy E, the rap Industry would be in trouble................no one wants to hear commercial

The Rule

03-12-2003, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Petko
Correction, the only rappers who lived a Thug Life were Outlawz and 2pac. Biggie never lived a 'Thug Life' nor were his lyrics close to being the best. Biggie could flow, the man was the master, give him a beat and he would hold it down for whatever whenever, he could flow. But Biggie could only flow, he couldn't even get his own beats, that's where 2pac comes in, 2pac made his owns beats and his lyrics were very deep. Snoop Dogg was never Thug Life, when he rode with the East-Siderz or when he was in the West Coast with 2pac at DeathRow. Snoop is just a sell-out, he raps about what people like at the time. Hey, I don't mind Snoop, but after listening to his last couple albums I've realized he's slipped. When Pac was around and DeathRow was huge, that's when Gangsta Rap got popular, and Pac was always promoting Thug Life, so Snoop wanted that image too, because he knew it sold. After Pac was killed, new rappers like Ja Rule who is more Hip-Hop come out and start selling records huge, so now Snoop has turned more Hip-Hop, all he ever raps about in his songs nowadays is himself, always speaking his name and what not, he needs some new material :rolleyes:
As for Dre, Dre is just as much a wanna be as Eminem, if he represented Thug Life he would be more hardcore, but Dre's a pussy, he saw that he could be in danger, and he decides to leave the hood, but at the same time he calls himself a gangsta. Give me a break, if anything Dre's a pussy, not a gangsta, look at Pac, he said from the start that he's Thug Life and he later knew that his life was in danger, and a way to get out of danger would be to get out of Thug Life, but he didn't, he swore by Thug Life, he lived a Thug Life and for that he died a Thug Life, now that's a true soldier.

you tend to talk a lot without actually knowing a lot don't you??

Petko

03-12-2003, 05:41 PM

You want to give me your argument or is that all you have to say ?

The Rule

03-12-2003, 05:47 PM

What's the point??you're going to keep waffling on with the same crap, calling people pussies, glorifying "Thug Life", which none of us are in a position to talk about as we haven't lived it, nor would i want to.You can read all the books you want about, talk it up all you want and you'll still know nothing about it.Tupac used to say, "until someone has lived my life and lived in my world, the black world, they ain't in a position to talk about it cos they don't know shit about it". and he was right.

Petko

03-12-2003, 05:55 PM

What the hell are you talking about buddy ?
Just because I haven't lived a Thug Life, doesn't mean I don't know anything about it, and that I shouldn't talk about it. Many historians didn't live in a Nazi Regime, so does that mean, they shouldn't talk about it, because they can't understand it ?
I've never glorified Thug Life, all I'm saying is that most of the rappers today that say they represent Thug Life are bullshitting, whether you like to admit that or not, now that's not glorifying it. Hey, I'm calling the rappers who think they are all tough but really aren't, pussies. Why call yourself a gangsta or a Thug when your too scared to even live in your own hood ?
As for what Pac said, yeah that's cool, but you are misunderstanding everything that I'm saying, I never said I lived a Thug Life or that I know everything about Thug Life, I was giving my opinion on most of my points, what I'm saying is that I know enough to tell the difference between someone 'trying' to live a Thug Life and actually living one.

Petko

03-12-2003, 05:59 PM

Listen The Rule, I don't want to get into a big argument with you, so I think we should just forget it. This thread is about our opinions and that's what I'm giving, if you don't like it, so be it.

The Rule

03-12-2003, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Petko
Listen The Rule, I don't want to get into a big argument with you, so I think we should just forget it. This thread is about our opinions and that's what I'm giving, if you don't like it, so be it.

i was merely pointing out that it is unwise to talk about something you know nothing about.

And this thread was about Eminem's music not the lifestyle that rappers live.

Petko

03-12-2003, 06:05 PM

To say I know nothing about the topic is flat out stupid, especially considering how your argument is based on 'One has to live a Thug Life to know anything about it' :rolleyes:
But whatever you say buddy...

The Rule

03-12-2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Petko
To say I know nothing about the topic is flat out stupid, especially considering how your argument is based on 'One has to live a Thug Life to know anything about it' :rolleyes:
But whatever you say buddy...

you do know nothing about, i've read your posts, what did you do??quote a tupac biography??You never lived that live don't talk about it.Tupac talked an awful lot of shit about a lot of people.Dre and Snoop grew up in far worse areas than Tupac.Biggie was a pimp and a crack dealer.Tupac wasn't any of these things.He had it tough but not as tough as others.

monte

03-12-2003, 06:42 PM

Petko..... ko ga jebe.... :D

The Rule 'he had it tough but not as tough as others' :rolleyes: so now u are allowed to make such a judgement about Tupac and Petko isn't? and u have actually seen the areas where those guys grew up?

not.

The Rule

03-12-2003, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by monte
Petko..... ko ga jebe.... :D

The Rule 'he had it tough but not as tough as others' :rolleyes: so now u are allowed to make such a judgement about Tupac and Petko isn't? and u have actually seen the areas where those guys grew up?

not.

what i'm saying is that Tupac wasn't the only one who had a tough life.Petko is saying that the likes of BIG,Dre and Snoop didn't.I'm not talking about their actual lifestyles, saying things like "he lived the THUG LIFE" when none of us know anything about living a "thug life"

and yes i have been to many of these areas through my work.

Petko

03-12-2003, 07:44 PM

I never said they didn't live that kind of life, Biggie and Pac were friends at a young age, and they went through many of the same problems together. All I'm saying is that guys like Dre and Snoop said before that they live a Thug Life, when they actually didn't. It's one thing to grow up in a bad area under extremely harsh conditions and another to live a Thug Life.
But I see you are going all over the place, so there's no point...
To say that Biggie and Snoop had tougher lives than 2pac is very arguable, please list me some examples to back your point...

NeraAzzurri32

03-12-2003, 08:05 PM

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Petko what are you saying, your the one going around saying DRE and Snoop Dogg are fake. I'm just defending on behalf of those 2 rappers cause they made a good impression on Rap Industry in the early 90's, DRE not livin a Thug Life?, anyone who pretty much walked on the streets of campton did live a Thug Life

Petko

03-12-2003, 09:32 PM

Just forget it...:rolleyes:

rebeli

03-13-2003, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Petko
what makes you think he would lie down to someone without a gun ?

Have you seen the size of those guys? I am not talking about two skinny robbers. In jail guys get gang raped by big men.

rebeli

03-13-2003, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by Petko
Correction, the only rappers who lived a Thug Life were Outlawz and 2pac. Biggie never lived a 'Thug Life' nor were his lyrics close to being the best. Biggie could flow, the man was the master, give him a beat and he would hold it down for whatever whenever, he could flow. But Biggie could only flow, he couldn't even get his own beats, that's where 2pac comes in, 2pac made his owns beats and his lyrics were very deep. Snoop Dogg was never Thug Life, when he rode with the East-Siderz or when he was in the West Coast with 2pac at DeathRow. Snoop is just a sell-out, he raps about what people like at the time. Hey, I don't mind Snoop, but after listening to his last couple albums I've realized he's slipped. When Pac was around and DeathRow was huge, that's when Gangsta Rap got popular, and Pac was always promoting Thug Life, so Snoop wanted that image too, because he knew it sold. After Pac was killed, new rappers like Ja Rule who is more Hip-Hop come out and start selling records huge, so now Snoop has turned more Hip-Hop, all he ever raps about in his songs nowadays is himself, always speaking his name and what not, he needs some new material :rolleyes:
As for Dre, Dre is just as much a wanna be as Eminem, if he represented Thug Life he would be more hardcore, but Dre's a pussy, he saw that he could be in danger, and he decides to leave the hood, but at the same time he calls himself a gangsta. Give me a break, if anything Dre's a pussy, not a gangsta, look at Pac, he said from the start that he's Thug Life and he later knew that his life was in danger, and a way to get out of danger would be to get out of Thug Life, but he didn't, he swore by Thug Life, he lived a Thug Life and for that he died a Thug Life, now that's a true soldier.

talk about rap history 1301. You read alot dont you Petko?

Petko

03-13-2003, 04:27 AM

Is that supposed to be a compliment ?

The Rule

03-13-2003, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by NeraAzzurri32
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campton

Campton??that's in West London isn't it??out near Hammersmith. LOL

Petko

03-17-2003, 12:18 AM

Petko

03-17-2003, 12:18 AM

Porca Troia

03-17-2003, 06:06 PM

just to make a point...pac never lived in compton...dre, cube, and easy did...snoop was from long beach.. pac is actually from the east coast but lived in cali later on in his life.
petko...pac may have been a poet or a prophet...but these guys were never gangstas....they are studio gangstas...just kinda like some people in here are chatroom gangstas... dre's decision to get out of the life was the smartest thing, because he didnt want to end up dead...he wanted to make music from the streets. snoop i agree is the biggest sellout out there. eminem on the other hand is the best lyricist out there next to nas.

Petko

03-17-2003, 08:59 PM

That's your opinion...
(the last part)

MADDO

03-18-2003, 03:37 PM

Eminem is goodish but there is nothing that can beat TUPAC. He is the bomb. His lyrics and style are amazing.

Eminem has some songs that suck big time like The Real Slim Shady. He brings out shit songs first in order to get his albums sold to more people by lulling the parents into allowing thier child to buy.

TUPAC just said how it was and didn't give a $*!t

Petko

03-30-2003, 05:01 AM

Originally posted by MADDO
Eminem is goodish but there is nothing that can beat TUPAC. He is the bomb. His lyrics and style are amazing.

Eminem has some songs that suck big time like The Real Slim Shady. He brings out shit songs first in order to get his albums sold to more people by lulling the parents into allowing thier child to buy.

TUPAC just said how it was and didn't give a $*!t

Hell motha-fvcking yeah ! ;) :D :thumbsup:

Mz^BasTuRk

03-30-2003, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by Petko
Yeah, I have the CD Better Dayz, along with Greatest Hits and Until the End Of Time

Still Ballin is quite a the good song, the beat is pretty strong, which I like a lot. I could recommend you some other good 2pac songs if your interested...

Yeah a list of his songs would be great thanx. I loveee his World Wide Gangsta song featuring the Outlawz and Thugz Mansions good too.