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[shearergol]

Seems like our recent big spending has caused the papers to start coming up with new targets.

Over the weekend we've been linked with:

Ambrose from Ipswich
Carrick from West Ham
Bridge from Southampton
Emerton (again!!)
Van Buyten
Kleberson (should sign a contract today for a summer move)
Kluivert


Perhaps someone should point out the fact that we have a squad full of midfielders, and I doubt we've got a massive amount of money left to be honest.

[The Rule]

Off that list,Van Buyton and Bridge are the only ones you need IMO(that includes kelberson)

[shearergol]

I actually think that Kleberson is a perfect player for us. I think SBR wants to play a bit tighter away from home (can't think why), and Kleberson would suit that role better than Solano does at the moment. He tried doing it with Kerr against Spurs and it worked quite well.

At home though is a different matter. I can't see Kleberson playing an important role ahead of any of the current players. Does rather spell the end for Acuna though, which is a shame because I rate him quite highly when he can avoid injuries.

[Looney]

don't forget young jamie mcclen.....

[shearergol]

Yeah, but in comparison who would you rather have?

McClen doesn't fit in our team as it is, he's just not good enough for the level we play at. Sell him to a second rate team like Liverpool.

[The Rule]

you're a funny man,still pissed that we stole the best central mid you lot have had in about 20 years??

[shearergol]

Assume you're talking about the injury prone German?

Wouldn't get near our starting 11 nowadays.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
Assume you're talking about the injury prone German?

Wouldn't get near our starting 11 nowadays.

injury prone??1 injury in three years,

he'd stroll into your starting 11 without breaking sweat,who have you that's better than him??Jenas??Speed??the mighty Acuna??i think not.Didi would make any starting 11 in the league with the possible exception of man u.

[shearergol]

Which is why football is so good - opinions.

I wouldn't take Dyer or Jenas out the team for Hamann, useful squad player, that's all he would be to us. Our midfield is our strength, in my opinion, good as he is, he would unbalance it.

I also don't think he'd get in the Arsenal team to be honest.

Thirdly, I rate Danny Murphy much higher.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
Which is why football is so good - opinions.

I wouldn't take Dyer or Jenas out the team for Hamann, useful squad player, that's all he would be to us. Our midfield is our strength, in my opinion, good as he is, he would unbalance it.

I also don't think he'd get in the Arsenal team to be honest.

Thirdly, I rate Danny Murphy much higher.

He's far better than Jenas,him and Dyer would be perfect especially with Sir Bob's love for wingers,Didi would sit in front of your defense and run games for you,also making a lot of late runs in the opponents box(like he did against you lot at Anfield)

He'd piss all over Gilberto

He's far better than Murphy

[shearergol]

As I said, opinions.

Ask fans at SJM, Jenas or Hamann, and see what answer you get.

I rate Baros higher than Owen, but people will disagree, there is no right answer, it's all about opinions.

On current form, no other central midfielder would get in our team.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
As I said, opinions.

Ask fans at SJM, Jenas or Hamann, and see what answer you get.

I rate Baros higher than Owen, but people will disagree, there is no right answer, it's all about opinions.

On current form, no other central midfielder would get in our team.

any idiot can realise that Didi Hamann is a proven world-class player(best mid in w.c).Jenas is still unproven.he tends to fade from games.most of the toon following are still pissed that Didi left Newcastle to join a bigger club.

BAROS at the moment over Owen yes,over their careers so far,Hardly

[shearergol]

No offence, but you seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Can you not accept that my opinion differs to yours? No way in the world would I swap Hamann for Jenas, that's MY OPINION. Keep posting extra replies on the thread about how stupid I must be for not recognising that Hamann walks on water, and I'll keep replying that I THINK that Jenas is better. Easy as.

By the way, if you rate people on their careers, then Steve Claridge would be playing for Liverpool rather than Owen.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
No offence, but you seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. Can you not accept that my opinion differs to yours? No way in the world would I swap Hamann for Jenas, that's MY OPINION. Keep posting extra replies on the thread about how stupid I must be for not recognising that Hamann walks on water, and I'll keep replying that I THINK that Jenas is better. Easy as.

By the way, if you rate people on their careers, then Steve Claridge would be playing for Liverpool rather than Owen.

Well Hamann is world-class,Jenas isn't even an international,and while Gerrard is around he may never become a regular for England.

hardly,owen is a former European player of the year,he's one of englands top scorers ever and is 23,claridge is clown who won 1 real trophy in his life and is about 60.

[shearergol]

Current form - Jenas over Gerrard (another pointless argument, but I guess I always have to agree with you, right?)

The Claridge comment was tongue in cheek.

Can anyone else on this board have an opinion other than you?

[jbincalgary]

kluivert and kleberson would be absolutely amazing for newcastle

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
Current form - Jenas over Gerrard (another pointless argument, but I guess I always have to agree with you, right?)

The Claridge comment was tongue in cheek.

Can anyone else on this board have an opinion other than you?

on current form, yes jenas over gerrard,but Erikkson is always going to pick Gerrard.And when both are on form Gerrard is a far better player than Jenas who is still learning to play in the premiership.

Just curious,If you got Kluivert, do you think he'd make the team??and instead of who??

[Looney]

McClen has potential you know, it's just he's gotten into injury troubles lately. last season in the FA Cup he matched Vieira all the way in the 1st match.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by jbincalgary
kluivert and kleberson would be absolutely amazing for newcastle

I would love too see Kluivert with Newcastle. Could be a great team with Shearer and later perhaps with Bellamy.

[VAN BASTEN]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
I would love too see Kluivert with Newcastle. Could be a great team with Shearer and later perhaps with Bellamy.

when Shearer retires Kluivert would be an ideal replacement. But would he goto Newcastle? In the past he's always talked about Man U and Arsenal being the clubs he'd like to play for

[The Rule]

Originally posted by VAN BASTEN
when Shearer retires Kluivert would be an ideal replacement. But would he goto Newcastle? In the past he's always talked about Man U and Arsenal being the clubs he'd like to play for

i disagree completely,Kluivert would not be an ideal replacement for Shearer,they are completely different types of players,anyway Newcastle already have their replacement for Shearer in that Chopra kid.

i don't think he'll go to them,if he comes to England it'll be United or Arsenal,otherwise it's Italy for PK.

[shearergol]

I honestly think Ameobi has the potential to replace Shearer, Chopra definately has. Robbo is keeping him under wraps as much as possible.

As for Kluivert, I can't see him coming to England, but if he did surely Newcastle would be in with a chance. He's said three times in the last year that he would play for Robson and Newcastle, so why wouldn't he? Champions League, challenging for trophies, young talented squad, massive crowd - can't see a problem with it.

However, have to agree with you, I reckon he'll go to Italy.

[The Rule]

I've heard him say he admires Robson, but i've only ever heard him say that if he came to England it would be to play for 1 of the big three,and Newcastle are not one of the big 3.

[shearergol]

In terms of the "big" teams I would say that the top 4 are the top 4 in the Premiership right now.

Second biggest support in England, 3rd in the Premiership, plenty of money.

What constitutes "big" in your opinion? Past success, because that's all your "big" club are living on right now.

I assume you mean Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea as the big 3, because it sure aint your team matey.

[shearergol]

08/06/2002. Barcelona striker Patrick Kluivert has admitted that he would like to join Newcastle.

The Dutchman was linked with Newcastle two years ago and the clubs meet in a friendly tomorrow evening in the North-East, sparking rumours of further talks, and Kluivert was keeping an open mind.

He told the club's official web site, "I was aware that Newcastle United wanted me a couple of years ago, but at that time I was very happy at Barca and wanted to stay so I don't know how far the interest went. But things change. And I've been at Barcelona for five years now, so who knows what will happen in the future?"

"I'd consider any offer that came in, and if Newcastle were still interested in me, then why not? I know Newcastle are a great club and a good team, and my team-mates in the national team who have played for Mr Robson say he is a good coach and also a fantastic man."

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
08/06/2002. Barcelona striker Patrick Kluivert has admitted that he would like to join Newcastle.

The Dutchman was linked with Newcastle two years ago and the clubs meet in a friendly tomorrow evening in the North-East, sparking rumours of further talks, and Kluivert was keeping an open mind.

He told the club's official web site, "I was aware that Newcastle United wanted me a couple of years ago, but at that time I was very happy at Barca and wanted to stay so I don't know how far the interest went. But things change. And I've been at Barcelona for five years now, so who knows what will happen in the future?"

"I'd consider any offer that came in, and if Newcastle were still interested in me, then why not? I know Newcastle are a great club and a good team, and my team-mates in the national team who have played for Mr Robson say he is a good coach and also a fantastic man."

fair enough,if you lot want to pay him £70,000 a week to decorate your bench then away with you.

Liverpool and United are the biggest teams in England,Arsenal are the third biggest.

[shearergol]

LMAO

Justify Liverpool as being bigger than Arsenal, Chelsea or even Newcastle then.......

Liverpool WERE the biggest club in England, now you're in the biggest 5 at best.

That's what I love about Liverpool fans, doesn't matter if you only win twice in 16 games, you're still the biggest club there is.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
LMAO

Justify Liverpool as being bigger than Arsenal, Chelsea or even Newcastle then.......

Liverpool WERE the biggest club in England, now you're in the biggest 5 at best.

That's what I love about Liverpool fans, doesn't matter if you only win twice in 16 games, you're still the biggest club there is.

We have: more fans than any of you,more money than any of you,more success than you.

The five best DOESN'T MAKE the biggest.BARCA are in the bottom half in Spain,they are still one of the two biggest clubs in Spain.

[shearergol]

Didn't say that league position was the indicator, I just feel that the top four at the moment are the biggest clubs.

More fans where?

Go to the far east and see everyone walking around in Man U or Newcastle tops; Africa, Man U and Arsenal tops.

Liverpool are popular, but I don't think you are as popular as you used to be, because you are rubbish to watch, so young kids are growing up supporting attractive teams, like the current top 4.

Argue until you're blue in the face, I've met fans who are biaised before, most people can see the truth in football though.

(Arsenal are a LOT bigger than you are mate)

[shearergol]

And by the way, former success means nothing, otherwise Red Star would still be a big cub.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
Didn't say that league position was the indicator, I just feel that the top four at the moment are the biggest clubs.

More fans where?

Go to the far east and see everyone walking around in Man U or Newcastle tops; Africa, Man U and Arsenal tops.

Liverpool are popular, but I don't think you are as popular as you used to be, because you are rubbish to watch, so young kids are growing up supporting attractive teams, like the current top 4.

Argue until you're blue in the face, I've met fans who are biaised before, most people can see the truth in football though.

(Arsenal are a LOT bigger than you are mate)

Asia??we have millions of fans both there and in Africa thanks to Owen,i 've been to both continents in recent years and ourselves and Man U are the best supported teams.We have great support in America as well.We have had this debate before on the Arsenal board,and even Arsenal fans have admitted that we are a bigger club then them.

You can dream about being one of the big three clubs all you want,it is well known and acknowledged that ourselves and United are the biggest clubs in England and then you have Arsenal.You lot are in the next group with Chelsea and some might say that the likes of Man City are just as big as you.

Again,the league is not an indicator to the size of the clubs.Notts.Forest are still a big club,regardless of the division they play in(2 euro cups,how many have you lot won??)

[shearergol]

How are Nottingham Forest a big club? You base everything on previous success!!! Small fan base, in debt, small ground. Yeah, massive club there!

As for the money issue, based on the ability to generate income, you are behind Man United, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal in the official list.

I never said Newcastle were top 3, I said top 4.

Please, in one sentence, how would you describe "big club"?

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by shearergol
How are Nottingham Forest a big club? You base everything on previous success!!! Small fan base, in debt, small ground. Yeah, massive club there!

As for the money issue, based on the ability to generate income, you are behind Man United, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal in the official list.

I never said Newcastle were top 3, I said top 4.

Please, in one sentence, how would you describe "big club"?

Forest are a big club because they have won two European Cups which Newcastle will never do,they might not be doing that well now but even when Newcastle where on thier way to division two they where considered A big club.

[shearergol]

Ahh, so it's purely based on previous success. Thanks for clearing that up. I'm sure teams like Huddersfield will be happy to know that they are still a big club.

[Mackem Roligan]

We are talking about two euro cups here.I am sure if Newcastle went down you would still consider yourselves a big club despite your last trophy being the Texaco cup 1974.

[shearergol]

You're missing the point. Newcastle are a big club because of their fan base, ability to generate income, and asset value. If we were relegated, we'd still be a big club unless we lost all of that.

A team can win the championship 10 years running, but if they're playing in front of 4000 fans in division 2 five years later, without the ability to go out and buy players, they are not a big club anymore.

Think of it as a business. Some business have achieved a lot, but if they suddenly go through a bad patch, they become a smaller company, regardless of their previous accomplishments.

[The Rule]

you've missed the point.

The official list only takes into account,ticket sales and official sponsorship(i.e jerseys).Only United sell more jerseys than us worldwide among the english clubs.We are moving into a bigger stadium which will bring us ahead of everyone in terms of Stadium capacity and ticket sales.Our current sponsorship deal(which was signed ten years ago,making it bring in less money than the recently signed ones Manu,chel,arsenal and newc have)runs out soon,so we will sign a new deal,which the other four clubs have done recently, for money which will be on par or above what the rest(except Man.United) have.Our Reebok deal also runs out in about two years,a new deal has been offered which is second only to United's with Nike.

We have won more trophys than Newcastle,Chelsea and Arsenal put together.We are better known throughout the world than those three.In Michael Owen we have one of the two most marketable players in England(Beckham is the other).

The fact is that based on prestige,past success(including our recent treble),global fan-base,global income and future income United and Liverpool are the biggest teams in England,then come Arsenal(but they will grow with the new stadium bringing in more money).Chelsea and Newcastle are next,Chelsea are in huge debt(Newcastle aren't in brilliant shape either),Newcastle haven't won a real trophy in a lifetime.Man.City,Leeds and Villa would be next in my opinion.And yes because of Forests history they are a big club,But if i was basing size on success,then Derby,Blackburn,Wimbledon,Sheff.Wed,Coventry and Spurs would all be bigger clubs than Newcastle because they have won major trophys lately.

[shearergol]

I'll agree to disagree then, but Forest ARE NOT a big club anymore.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
I'll agree to disagree then, but Forest ARE NOT a big club anymore.

yes they are,and a far more successful club in recent times than Newcastle as well,just like Derby,Ipswich,Wimbledon and other mega-powers like them.

[shearergol]

OK, I'll agree to disagree, you just disagree (no change there then)

If it's down to recent success, I think you'll find that Arsenal are a lot more successful than Liverpool mate. But then again, your argument changes depending on who you talk about.


More successful recently, Forest; bigger club, Newcastle.

By the way, people don't post on this message board because you argue for the sake of arguing, and people get bored of you. Ever thought you might be driving people away?

Oh, and while we're at it, your "big club" have only won twice in 15 games. Makes you proud doesn't it!

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by shearergol
You're missing the point. Newcastle are a big club because of their fan base, ability to generate income, and asset value. If we were relegated, we'd still be a big club unless we lost all of that.

A team can win the championship 10 years running, but if they're playing in front of 4000 fans in division 2 five years later, without the ability to go out and buy players, they are not a big club anymore.

Think of it as a business. Some business have achieved a lot, but if they suddenly go through a bad patch, they become a smaller company, regardless of their previous accomplishments.

Well if its all about who has the biggest fan base that makes Sunderland a bigger club than Newcastle.Newcastle may be doing well now but are taking A huge risk just look at Leeds two years ago thier chairman was splashing the cash they where doing well in the champions league and the fans where being promised the title,sound familiar because you could go backwards just like them ,Shephard may think hes great spending all that money now but if you end up like Leeds youre fuked.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
OK, I'll agree to disagree, you just disagree (no change there then)

If it's down to recent success, I think you'll find that Arsenal are a lot more successful than Liverpool mate. But then again, your argument changes depending on who you talk about.


More successful recently, Forest; bigger club, Newcastle.

By the way, people don't post on this message board because you argue for the sake of arguing, and people get bored of you. Ever thought you might be driving people away?

Oh, and while we're at it, your "big club" have only won twice in 15 games. Makes you proud doesn't it!

I never said Forest were bigger than Newcastle, i said more successful.You said i was basing it on success and i pointed out that if i was basing it on success the likes of Wimbledon would be bigger than you.So you're point is bolox.

i've brought more people to the board than most.I've had more good conversations with intelligent people(Drummer,Azul,Juan,Barca,,Lili,Looney etc.)then you've had in your entire life.I've helped make the Liverpool Forum the best out of the English ones so you're point is again bolox.

In the last 10 years,Arsenal have won 7 trophys,we've won 8,we've done better in the CL in 1 year than they did in 4 years.

As for losing games, at least we weren't in the bottom half of the league in each of the last 4 seasons

It actually shows how unfaithful the Newcastle fans are,at the start of the season there were chants of "Robson out" when things went badly,now you think he's the best thing that ever happened the club.

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by The Rule
I never said Forest were bigger than Newcastle, i said more successful.You said i was basing it on success and i pointed out that if i was basing it on success the likes of Wimbledon would be bigger than you.So you're point is bolox.

i've brought more people to the board than most.I've had more good conversations with intelligent people(Drummer,Azul,Juan,Barca,,Lili,Looney etc.)then you've had in your entire life.I've helped make the Liverpool Forum the best out of the English ones so you're point is again bolox.

In the last 10 years,Arsenal have won 7 trophys,we've won 8,we've done better in the CL in 1 year than they did in 4 years.

As for losing games, at least we weren't in the bottom half of the league in each of the last 4 seasons

It actually shows how unfaithful the Newcastle fans are,at the start of the season there were chants of "Robson out" when things went badly,now you think he's the best thing that ever happened the club.

Who do you think you are you seem to think you own these boards,just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt make them unintelligent.The Newcastle fans never chanted "Robson out" they are far too over optamistic to do that.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Mackem Roligan
Who do you think you are you seem to think you own these boards,just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt make them unintelligent.The Newcastle fans never chanted "Robson out" they are far too over optamistic to do that.

Well who i am is none of your business Judas.you should worry more about Denmark being crap and Sunderland being in DIV.1 next year

yes they did chant it,i was there,it was with about 20 minutes left at Anfield.optimistic is exactly what they are,and having not won a trophy since Sir Bob was middle-aged that's more than they should be.They've had better teams than this and won nothing.

[Mackem Roligan]

What have you got aginst Denmark and Sunderland or is it just me you dont like.I used to have a soft spot for Ireland because of thier strong ties with Sunderland(especially Niall Quinn) and in my eyes are similar to Denmark because of the good nature of the fans and always being the underdog who upsets the big boys however I didnt realise Irish fans could be as arrogant and obnoxious as you are but maybe youre just an exeption.And how can Denmark be crap when we have only lost three games since euro 2000.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Mackem Roligan
What have you got aginst Denmark and Sunderland or is it just me you dont like.I used to have a soft spot for Ireland because of thier strong ties with Sunderland(especially Niall Quinn) and in my eyes are similar to Denmark because of the good nature of the fans and always being the underdog who upsets the big boys however I didnt realise Irish fans could be as arrogant and obnoxious as you are but maybe youre just an exeption.And how can Denmark be crap when we have only lost three games since euro 2000.

How did you do when you played us???

i can't stand people like you,the Danish team of the Laudrups was wonderful,and i've liked them since,but you should support your own country no matter what.You have no affiliation to Denmark except the fact that you saw them win Euro 92 and you started following them(glory-hunting Judas)I lived in England for the majority of my life but i would never turn my back on my country in the way you did.Sunderland,i dislike due to their treatment of Peter Reid,one of the nicest people i've ever met.The way the fans abused him was shocking,same goes for your treatment of Kilbane

[Looney]

Liverpool is bigger than Newcastle ok, they're still the 2nd biggest I reckon.

But Forest? The Mackems? Please, don't make me laugh. On what apart from past success do you base it on (Go Royal Engineers! :rolleyes: )? If you base it on popularity. Go to Asia, ask anyone if they know Sunderland and they'll say "Sunder-who? That crap team at the bottom of the table?" Ask about Newcastle you'll get "yeah the black and white team! Shearer's great man!". Base it on financial power, 7 years ago we paid 15 million pounds, these days Sunderland still hasn't gotten near that mark, and believe it or not we're actually financially pretty stable for now, the Woodgate transfer is being financed by current season's ECL money, and Forest is REALLY stable aren't they? Then base it on recent sucess, when was the last time you lot got into the Champion's League and really had a title challenge?

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by The Rule
How did you do when you played us???

i can't stand people like you,the Danish team of the Laudrups was wonderful,and i've liked them since,but you should support your own country no matter what.You have no affiliation to Denmark except the fact that you saw them win Euro 92 and you started following them(glory-hunting Judas)I lived in England for the majority of my life but i would never turn my back on my country in the way you did.Sunderland,i dislike due to their treatment of Peter Reid,one of the nicest people i've ever met.The way the fans abused him was shocking,same goes for your treatment of Kilbane

And I cant stand arrogant people like you.The Laudrups where great players who carried Denmark for many years along with Schmeichel but we now have a good TEAM not three wonderful individuals.You turned your back on your country by supporting an English team what affliation do you have with Liverpool I bet you started supporting them in the 80s youre the glory hunter.Reid and Kilbane I am sure are nice blokes but that doesnt make them good managers or players.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Mackem Roligan
And I cant stand arrogant people like you.The Laudrups where great players who carried Denmark for many years along with Schmeichel but we now have a good TEAM not three wonderful individuals.You turned your back on your country by supporting an English team what affliation do you have with Liverpool I bet you started supporting them in the 80s youre the glory hunter.Reid and Kilbane I am sure are nice blokes but that doesnt make them good managers or players.

i started supportung them in the mid 70's before the success.I lived in Liverpool at the time.How does supporting a club in a different country mean i turned on my country.I go and watch Eircom league matches whenever i can and i wear my St.Pats jersey proudly.

Reid is probably one of the best managers Sunderland has ever had.Kilbane is crap,but he always plays his heart out and doesn't deserve the shit he gets.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Looney
1.Liverpool is bigger than Newcastle ok, they're still the 2nd biggest I reckon.

2.But Forest? The Mackems? Please, don't make me laugh. On what apart from past success do you base it on (Go Royal Engineers! :rolleyes: )? If you base it on popularity. Go to Asia, ask anyone if they know Sunderland and they'll say "Sunder-who? That crap team at the bottom of the table?" Ask about Newcastle you'll get "yeah the black and white team! Shearer's great man!". Base it on financial power, 7 years ago we paid 15 million pounds, these days Sunderland still hasn't gotten near that mark, and believe it or not we're actually financially pretty stable for now, the Woodgate transfer is being financed by current season's ECL money, and Forest is REALLY stable aren't they? Then base it on recent sucess, when was the last time you lot got into the Champion's League and really had a title challenge?

1.Thank you,my point exactly.

2.I was using Forest as an example,they have had more success than you and if i was using success to measure clubs they'd be bigger than you.they are a big club still,just not Liverpool,Man U, arsenal or newcastle big.I never mentioned Sunderland, must have been that Judas.it is laughable.There are a division 1 side who are managed by a dinosaur,enough said.

7 years ago you paid £4million for Shearer,the rest was paid in installments.I wouldn't be so sure about how financially stable you are,you owe a lot of money from the work that was done on SJP,and you still owe money on the deals for Robert,Dyer,Jenas,Viana and Bellamy.Missing the CL would be a disaster for you(won't happen but......)The Woodgate money will be paid over 3 to 4 years.and forest are actually quite stable now following the sale of Prutton.and to be fair Sunderland wasted..er..i mean spent £6million on Flo,what a signing!1

.Don't know if that last bit was directed to me ,but if it was,We were in the CL this year and last year(Quarter-finals) and we finished second in the EPL last year.

[Looney]

it was directed at the whole arguing that Sunderland is bigger thing.

My point about Newcastle's financial status is that we can service our debts and we tend to pay in instalments, whereas Leeds paid big money (come on, they've spent more than us on a single player, 18 for Ferdinand, 11 for Keane etc.) mostly upfront by borrowing from banks. Plus we looked like we can makethe Champion's League again and we're in the 2nd round so we can theoretically finance the Woodgate move on top of the rest of our debts. Leeds wouldn't be in so much crap now if they hadn't overspent on the likes of Rio in an attempt to buy the title, the could've built slowly. We went through the similar if not as severe phase after Keegan left and we went public, just that we survived it.

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by The Rule
i started supportung them in the mid 70's before the success.I lived in Liverpool at the time.How does supporting a club in a different country mean i turned on my country.I go and watch Eircom league matches whenever i can and i wear my St.Pats jersey proudly.

Reid is probably one of the best managers Sunderland has ever had.Kilbane is crap,but he always plays his heart out and doesn't deserve the shit he gets.

Why do you have to support an English team,because Irish footballs shit which makes you a glory hunter.I dont see why everyone should have to support thier city's club or thier country I believe in supporting teams I like.I was born in Newcastle but decided that I didnt like Newcastle or England and there is no way I can support teams I dont like,call me what you like but football is for enjoyment and I enjoy supporting Sunderland and Denmark(well most of the time I do).Reid is a good manager but when he is found out there is no plan b as we found out with the tedious hoof the ball up to Quinny routine.Kilbane is a scapegoat he used to be shit but is inproving ,very much a confidence player.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Mackem Roligan
Why do you have to support an English team,because Irish footballs shit which makes you a glory hunter.I dont see why everyone should have to support thier city's club or thier country I believe in supporting teams I like.I was born in Newcastle but decided that I didnt like Newcastle or England and there is no way I can support teams I dont like,call me what you like but football is for enjoyment and I enjoy supporting Sunderland and Denmark(well most of the time I do).Reid is a good manager but when he is found out there is no plan b as we found out with the tedious hoof the ball up to Quinny routine.Kilbane is a scapegoat he used to be shit but is inproving ,very much a confidence player.

I still support Irish soccer,i spent a large part my life living in Liverpool,i'm not a glory-hunter,you are English,have never lived in Denmark and only began supporting them after they won Euro 1992,you are a glory hunting Judas

[shearergol]

OK, sorry it's a bit late coming but.....

I was at the Liverpool v Newcastle game too, and a very small section of the newcastle fans were unhappy with our performance and league position.

However, can't remember hearing any Liverpool fans calling for Houllier's heard when they won the mickey mouse trebble. Is that Fickle, or do people base their opinions on success?

The comment on you having more intelligent conversations on here than I've had in my life is a little unfair don't you think? All you have done on this board is disagreed with anyone who doesn't say that Liverpool are world class (sorry, had to stop there, laughing too much thinking of Henchoz scoring last night), and then claim that you and you alone keep this board going.

Seeing that you've met everyone involved in football ever, how come you have to be on this forum all day every day? Sounds like you're far too important, and really should be managing Liverpool right now.

By the way, couldn't care less if you think we're a smaller club, we're still in with a shout of winning the Premiership, and we're still in the Champions league.

Are Crystal Palace a "big" club by the way?

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by shearergol
OK, sorry it's a bit late coming but.....

I was at the Liverpool v Newcastle game too, and a very small section of the newcastle fans were unhappy with our performance and league position.

However, can't remember hearing any Liverpool fans calling for Houllier's heard when they won the mickey mouse trebble. Is that Fickle, or do people base their opinions on success?

The comment on you having more intelligent conversations on here than I've had in my life is a little unfair don't you think? All you have done on this board is disagreed with anyone who doesn't say that Liverpool are world class (sorry, had to stop there, laughing too much thinking of Henchoz scoring last night), and then claim that you and you alone keep this board going.

Seeing that you've met everyone involved in football ever, how come you have to be on this forum all day every day? Sounds like you're far too important, and really should be managing Liverpool right now.

By the way, couldn't care less if you think we're a smaller club, we're still in with a shout of winning the Premiership, and we're still in the Champions league.

Are Crystal Palace a "big" club by the way?

Saying as the rule thinks only clubs who have won things recently can claim they are big clubs doesnt that mean Blackburn are bigger than Liverpool because they last won the title in 95 Liverpool did way back in 1990.Houllier is being treated just as bad as Reid was by our fans.I think the rule is bitter towards north east teams because Liverpool lost to Newcastle,Boro and Sunderland away this season and failed to beat Sunderland and Newcastle at home.

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by The Rule
I still support Irish soccer,i spent a large part my life living in Liverpool,i'm not a glory-hunter,you are English,have never lived in Denmark and only began supporting them after they won Euro 1992,you are a glory hunting Judas

I hate the arrogance of the England team so therefore I cannot support them,and if Denmark are "crap" in your opinion how am I A glory hunter for supporting them,the real glory hunters are people who change thier teams as often as Man Utd launch A new kit.

[shearergol]

Please don't let me agree with a Sunderland fan........


Maybe he's just annoyed that Liverpool have won something like 3 games in the last 20 (might be wrong on that one), which for a BIG club is quite poor, wouldn't you agree?

Newcastle have never won the Premiership, can't remember seeing Liverpool on the Premiership winners list either.

Oh well, always got Emile Heskey and Michael Owen on top form haven't you. (and Gerrard, second only to Bowyer as dirtiest player in the Premiership)


Never thought I'd hate Liverpool this much, but you've overtaken Arsenal in Man U in who I hate most.

[Mackem Roligan]

Liverpool are a team of the past Man Utd and Arsenal are the only true world class teams in England,funny how this bad patch we keep getting told Michael Owen is having seems to have gone on all season so far some bad patch isnt it.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Mackem Roligan
Liverpool are a team of the past Man Utd and Arsenal are the only true world class teams in England,funny how this bad patch we keep getting told Michael Owen is having seems to have gone on all season so far some bad patch isnt it.

1. you're an idiot.
2.Michael Owen has 17 goals this season.The whole sunderland team has barely scored that many.

[Mackem Roligan]

And why has every point I make got be compared with Sunderland,stop trying to change the subject from LIVERPOOL 0-2 PALACE.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
1.Please don't let me agree with a Sunderland fan........

2.Maybe he's just annoyed that Liverpool have won something like 3 games in the last 20 (might be wrong on that one), which for a BIG club is quite poor, wouldn't you agree?

3.Newcastle have never won the Premiership, can't remember seeing Liverpool on the Premiership winners list either.

4.Oh well, always got Emile Heskey and Michael Owen on top form haven't you. (and Gerrard, second only to Bowyer as dirtiest player in the Premiership)

5.Never thought I'd hate Liverpool this much, but you've overtaken Arsenal in Man U in who I hate most.

1.Agree with an idiot all you like
2.Annoyed?no. pissed off??yes.Three games in 20??yeah good lad.it's four ;) . you lot have more right to be pissed off though.Never having seen your team win anything,the danger that your club could "do a leeds" if you have your usual collapse and don't make the CL.of course it's poor,doesn't impact the size of the club.
3.Can't remember having seen Newcastle win anything of importance in my life-time.
4.Heskey has scored 3 in the last four games,Owen has 17 this season.how many has bellamy??
5.When we were ruling Europe we were hated as well,doesn't really bother us.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by shearergol
OK, sorry it's a bit late coming but.....

I was at the Liverpool v Newcastle game too, and a very small section of the newcastle fans were unhappy with our performance and league position.

However, can't remember hearing any Liverpool fans calling for Houllier's heard when they won the mickey mouse trebble. Is that Fickle, or do people base their opinions on success?

The comment on you having more intelligent conversations on here than I've had in my life is a little unfair don't you think? All you have done on this board is disagreed with anyone who doesn't say that Liverpool are world class (sorry, had to stop there, laughing too much thinking of Henchoz scoring last night), and then claim that you and you alone keep this board going.

Seeing that you've met everyone involved in football ever, how come you have to be on this forum all day every day? Sounds like you're far too important, and really should be managing Liverpool right now.

By the way, couldn't care less if you think we're a smaller club, we're still in with a shout of winning the Premiership, and we're still in the Champions league.

Are Crystal Palace a "big" club by the way?

a small section??before the game and during the game,the chants of Robson out were drowning out our screams of "you and the mackems are going down"!
Even when we won the treble we weren't happy with the style of play,Houllier has lied to the fans,publicly abused the players,wasted millions of pounds and send the team back-wards,come to think of it,he's done the same as Gullit did for you lot.
.Your 40 or so posts and 1 weeks experience on the board doesn't make you an expert on my posts.I haven't disagreed with two many people,i'd say 10 in total and considering the number of posts i have and the number of people that's not too bad.I've never once said that Liverpool are world-class,the only world-class team in England is Man Utd who have proven themselves in Europe over a sustained period of time.Henchoz's goal was a screamer,no keeper could have saved it,quality stuff.I've never claimed that,merely that i've helped make the liverpool forum better.
Because when you employ yourself and 5 others you can do what you want, and i work mainly in the evenings and at weekends,which is why i'm not here then.
You are a smaller club,you're are also the fastest growing club in England,however you need success and you need it soon.Your shout is more like a whimper and if you think about it, you're not really in the CL anymore thanks to your strikers having bad tempers.But you will be next year and given that your players will be older, wiser and used to the level of competition you will do better next year.

Palace??a big club??hardly,no money,very few real fans and no real success.

[Mackem Roligan]

would you like Peter Reid as the next Liverpool manager saying as you speak so highly of him.

[barnybullet]

Oh dear "the rule" you seem to be a bit of a blinkered muppet. You are living completely in the past get out of the old first division and get into the Premiership days. 8 trophys to arsenals 7
makes you bigger than arsenal!!! sorry mate how many league titles is there in that?????? sorry i cant hear you ..none. How many real doubles?????? none " please sir please sir we did the treble though!!!" just what all liverpool fans say. A treble made up of cheating then doing a smash and grab on us at cardiff but we will let you have that one. A worthless cup that most premiership teams play reserves except those who are scared they might not win anything else!!! oh and that amazing conquering of europe!! just remind me why you won the uefa cup again!!! because you were not in the champions league anymore!! By the way is that going t obe your highlight again as seen as you failed at the first stage(still better in europe than arsenal recently then?) You go on about newcastle doing a leeds you want to watch yourselves mate. 80% of your income goes on wages and after all other expenditure you managed to make a whopping £10M and increase of 9.1M on the prevoius year. Your sponsership deal still has two and a half years to run as you seemed to have missed your £10M 3 year extension last august. You are paying back over £10M a year to the bank to repay debts and are about to build a brand new stadium. You may be getting £100M from reebok on your new deal but you will need a lot more than that. Unless you win some thing meaningfull soon and reclaim that Huge club status that ended in 88/89 then you will be looking at a very poor future.

As for mr mackem HEY YOU GOT A WIN!!!!

And as for you shearergol you are a big club but you do need to win something to make the whole world notice but you dont have to win the leauge to do that hey liverpool havnt in 15 years!!

As for your financial status what they on about with the leeds buisness you havnt exactly gone out blowing a fortune have you, especially as you spent the last few years not spending as you paod off your debts for the stadium and now actually have lots of money to spend.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Mackem Roligan
would you like Peter Reid as the next Liverpool manager saying as you speak so highly of him.

ni he's not a big enough name for a club like us.

[Mackem Roligan]

first and foremost you need a GOOD manager not just a "big name" if you could get a "big name" manager who is good great but you should be more realistic.Houllier wasnt really a "big name" manager when he joined you and Roy Evans before him certainly wasnt.

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by barnybullet
Oh dear "the rule" you seem to be a bit of a blinkered muppet. You are living completely in the past get out of the old first division and get into the Premiership days. 8 trophys to arsenals 7
makes you bigger than arsenal!!! sorry mate how many league titles is there in that?????? sorry i cant hear you ..none. How many real doubles?????? none " please sir please sir we did the treble though!!!" just what all liverpool fans say. A treble made up of cheating then doing a smash and grab on us at cardiff but we will let you have that one. A worthless cup that most premiership teams play reserves except those who are scared they might not win anything else!!! oh and that amazing conquering of europe!! just remind me why you won the uefa cup again!!! because you were not in the champions league anymore!! By the way is that going t obe your highlight again as seen as you failed at the first stage(still better in europe than arsenal recently then?) You go on about newcastle doing a leeds you want to watch yourselves mate. 80% of your income goes on wages and after all other expenditure you managed to make a whopping £10M and increase of 9.1M on the prevoius year. Your sponsership deal still has two and a half years to run as you seemed to have missed your £10M 3 year extension last august. You are paying back over £10M a year to the bank to repay debts and are about to build a brand new stadium. You may be getting £100M from reebok on your new deal but you will need a lot more than that. Unless you win some thing meaningfull soon and reclaim that Huge club status that ended in 88/89 then you will be looking at a very poor future.

As for mr mackem HEY YOU GOT A WIN!!!!

And as for you shearergol you are a big club but you do need to win something to make the whole world notice but you dont have to win the leauge to do that hey liverpool havnt in 15 years!!

As for your financial status what they on about with the leeds buisness you havnt exactly gone out blowing a fortune have you, especially as you spent the last few years not spending as you paod off your debts for the stadium and now actually have lots of money to spend.

Well said apart from the bottom paragraph which I dont agree with.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by barnybullet
1Oh dear "the rule" you seem to be a bit of a blinkered muppet. You are living completely in the past get out of the old first division and get into the Premiership days. 8 trophys to arsenals 7 makes you bigger than arsenal!!!

2. sorry mate how many league titles is there in that?????? sorry i cant hear you ..none. How many real doubles?????? none " please sir please sir we did the treble though!!!" just what all liverpool fans say. A treble made up of cheating then doing a smash and grab on us at cardiff but we will let you have that one. A worthless cup that most premiership teams play reserves except those who are scared they might not win anything else!!! oh and that amazing conquering of europe!! just remind me why you won the uefa cup again!!! because you were not in the champions league anymore!!

3.By the way is that going t obe your highlight again as seen as you failed at the first stage(still better in europe than arsenal recently then?)

4. You go on about newcastle doing a leeds you want to watch yourselves mate. 80% of your income goes on wages and after all other expenditure you managed to make a whopping £10M and increase of 9.1M on the prevoius year. Your sponsership deal still has two and a half years to run as you seemed to have missed your £10M 3 year extension last august. You are paying back over £10M a year to the bank to repay debts and are about to build a brand new stadium. You may be getting £100M from reebok on your new deal but you will need a lot more than that. Unless you win some thing meaningfull soon and reclaim that Huge club status that ended in 88/89 then you will be looking at a very poor future.

5.As for mr mackem HEY YOU GOT A WIN!!!!

6.And as for you shearergol you are a big club but you do need to win something to make the whole world notice but you dont have to win the leauge to do that hey liverpool havnt in 15 years!!

7.As for your financial status what they on about with the leeds buisness you havnt exactly gone out blowing a fortune have you, especially as you spent the last few years not spending as you paod off your debts for the stadium and now actually have lots of money to spend.

1.oh little boy your knowledge of football is as small as your balls.
the fact that we have more fans,more money and more success makes us a bigger club than you.
2.how many euopean cups have Arsenal won???The FA cup when your lot walked off crying and your fans where crying as well??that one??the Worthington Cup final to be played by the TWO BIGGEST CLUBS IN ENGLISH FOOTBALL??is that the won??the UEFA cup which you lot lost the final of not so long ago cos you got your asses kicked in the CL??THAT ONE??
3.Quarter-finals at our first attempt,yeah i'd say that as good as Arsenal have done in what 4 attempts is it??
4.I really would love to know where you found those figures kid,the only club that made a bigger profit than us last year was Man.U.That Carlsberg extension was £10million a year for 3 years and talks are already ongoing to improve the deal.The money for the stadium is there and ready to be used thanks to a financial plan implemented in the Souness era.Our status ended in 1988/89,really??,yours must never have began if that's the case.i'd make sure you know the facts before ou start talking shit and making a fool of yourself.
5.One win to make up for the 40 losses,congrats
6.15 years??check your facts little boy,And yes they need to win a league title to move into the elite group,we have 18 of them how many have Arsenal??we have 4 european cups,how many have Arsenal??
7.They have spend close to £200 million on players since Keegan took over,and won nothing to justify it,as well as borrowing heavily to pay for the work on SJP,while until a few years ago they had the lowest sponsorship income of any of the top clubs,Man U,Liverpool,Arsenal,Spurs,Chelsea and Everton all had far bigger incomes than you.A failure to make the CL in any of the next few years will be disasterous as most of the transfer they have made lately are installment based so no income will mean they can't make the repayments.Leeds spend the money in a shorter period of time which is why there plight became more serious immediately.

[Mackem Roligan]

The rule Arsenal are way better than Liverpool so I would shut up if I where you however youre comments about Newcastle are right once the bubble bursts they are in the shit.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Mackem Roligan
The rule Arsenal are way better than Liverpool so I would shut up if I where you however youre comments about Newcastle are right once the bubble bursts they are in the shit.

i am fully aware that Arsenal are better than us,so are Newcastle,Man U and Chelsea,however only Man U can make a real claim to be a bigger club than us.

Your point about the manager is a good one however.I'm of the opinion that we may be better off not qualifying for Europe and getting rid of Houllier,accept this season as a blow-out change the manager and get rid of about 10 players who aren't worth the money we paid for them or the money we pay them every week.My point is that without Europe it will take a big-name manager to attract big name players.

Oh and Evans was promoted from within the club and Houllier was a former french manager and one of the most respected people in football at the time.i want Rijkaard as manager as i've said before,he has spoken on numerous occasions about his fondness of our club and he was quoted in a dutch newspaper about a month ago as saying he'd love to have the job.

[barnybullet]

Oh dear the exact reply i expected.

"1.oh little boy your knowledge of football is as small as your balls. the fact that we have more fans,more money and more success makes us a bigger club than you."

living in past again "hello 2003 calling" more money nope your wrong there mate.

"2.how many euopean cups have Arsenal won???The FA cup when your lot walked off crying and your fans where crying as well??that one??the Worthington Cup final to be played by the TWO BIGGEST CLUBS IN ENGLISH FOOTBALL??is that the won??the UEFA cup which you lot lost the final of not so long ago cos you got your asses kicked in the CL??THAT ONE??"

again living in past. As for worthless cup which two teams played all the last stages with full teams to get to the final!!
When we reached the UEFA cup final we were not going around saying we are amazing and a huge team still because of it.

"3.Quarter-finals at our first attempt,yeah i'd say that as good as Arsenal have done in what 4 attempts is it??"

Sorry didnt know you had to do it in your first season even man U didnt do that!!
Oh a we also got to that stage remember going out 1-1

"4.I really would love to know where you found those figures kid,the only club that made a bigger profit than us last year was Man.U.That Carlsberg extension was £10million a year for 3 years and talks are already ongoing to improve the deal.The money for the stadium is there and ready to be used thanks to a financial plan implemented in the Souness era.Our status ended in 1988/89,really??,yours must never have began if that's the case.i'd make sure you know the facts before ou start talking shit and making a fool of yourself."

Those figures matey come from Liverpool themselves, you should get a copy of the accounts yourself mate know what you are on aobu tthen :-)
Admit i did make an error i missed out it was for 3 years not 1
Do you remeber 88/89 you know when you last won the Major trophy available every year!!
Facts eh!!! dont actually se many from you other than as we all know you have won the most titles a long time ago!!


"5.One win to make up for the 40 losses,congrats"

I was being sarcastic

"6.15 years??check your facts little boy,And yes they need to win a league title to move into the elite group,we have 18 of them how many have Arsenal??we have 4 european cups,how many have Arsenal??"


oops sorry 14!!!!!!89-03!!(just counting 89/90 as a lucky rememnace of what you had)
18 again irrelevant we are talkig about post old division!!

"7.They have spend close to £200 million on players since Keegan took over,and won nothing to justify it,as well as borrowing heavily to pay for the work on SJP,while until a few years ago they had the lowest sponsorship income of any of the top clubs,Man U,Liverpool,Arsenal,Spurs,Chelsea and Everton all had far bigger incomes than you.A failure to make the CL in any of the next few years will be disasterous as most of the transfer they have made lately are installment based so no income will mean they can't make the repayments.Leeds spend the money in a shorter period of time which is why there plight became more serious immediately."

Yes they have since then they have also repaid all money through sales and earnings. A few years ago they were not in the top leauge so obviouisly they didnt!!(and i am not a geordie so check your grammer!)

I already know your reply to this post so you dont even need to.

see instead if you can do one that does not include

18 league championships!
Past glory
Any of the rubbish players you have who liverpool fans think are great(gerrard and murphy allowed as they are ggod)
your great new stadium(still in planning not definite yet, and you dont see me harping on about ours)
Uefa cup
1 season of champions league where you made it past teh mickey mouse stage

Try and include

good reasoned arguments with evidence why premiership titleless liverpool can say they are biger than arsenal these days.

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by The Rule
i am fully aware that Arsenal are better than us,so are Newcastle,Man U and Chelsea,however only Man U can make a real claim to be a bigger club than us.

Your point about the manager is a good one however.I'm of the opinion that we may be better off not qualifying for Europe and getting rid of Houllier,accept this season as a blow-out change the manager and get rid of about 10 players who aren't worth the money we paid for them or the money we pay them every week.My point is that without Europe it will take a big-name manager to attract big name players.

Oh and Evans was promoted from within the club and Houllier was a former french manager and one of the most respected people in football at the time.i want Rijkaard as manager as i've said before,he has spoken on numerous occasions about his fondness of our club and he was quoted in a dutch newspaper about a month ago as saying he'd love to have the job.

[Mackem Roligan]

sorry about the above posting just ignore it.Rijkaard would be a disaster,the next Gullit in my opinion,how about giving Phil Thompson the job he did well as caretaker.

[Mackem Roligan]

[i]

"7.They have spend close to £200 million on players since Keegan took over,and won nothing to justify it,as well as borrowing heavily to pay for the work on SJP,while until a few years ago they had the lowest sponsorship income of any of the top clubs,Man U,Liverpool,Arsenal,Spurs,Chelsea and Everton all had far bigger incomes than you.A failure to make the CL in any of the next few years will be disasterous as most of the transfer they have made lately are installment based so no income will mean they can't make the repayments.Leeds spend the money in a shorter period of time which is why there plight became more serious immediately."

Yes they have since then they have also repaid all money through sales and earnings. A few years ago they were not in the top leauge so obviouisly they didnt!!(and i am not a geordie so check your grammer!)

[/B]

Newcastle are still badly in debt.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by barnybullet

living in past again "hello 2003 calling" more money nope your wrong there mate.

YES WE HAVE MORE MONEY THAN YOU,BIG SPONSORSHIP,MORE JERSEY SALES,MORE SEASON TICKETS

"2.again living in past. As for worthless cup which two teams played all the last stages with full teams to get to the final!!
When we reached the UEFA cup final we were not going around saying we are amazing and a huge team still because of it.

WELL LIVERPOOL AND UNITED HAVE PLAYED FULL TEAMS IN THIS TOURNAMENT THIS YEAR,IT IS NOT A MAJOR TROPHY BUT HEY,WE SUCK THIS YEAR.TO BE HONEST I HOPE WE DON'T WIN COS I WANT HOULLIER OUT AND IF WE WIN IT HE'LL STAY.THE SIZE OF THE CLUB IS MEASURED BY MORE THAN ONFIELD PERFORMANCES,I'VE NEVER SAID WE ARE BETTER THAN ARSENAL BUT WE ARE A BIGGER CLUB,I'VE MADE THE COMPARISON WITH BARCELONA AND OTHER SPANISH CLUBS.WE ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AS THEM.

Sorry didnt know you had to do it in your first season even man U didnt do that!!
Oh a we also got to that stage remember going out 1-1

YEAH BUT IT WAS YOUR THIRD ATTEMPT,YOU LOT SCREWED YOURSELF BY PLAYING AT WEMBLEY

Those figures matey come from Liverpool themselves, you should get a copy of the accounts yourself mate know what you are on aobu tthen :-)
Admit i did make an error i missed out it was for 3 years not 1
Do you remeber 88/89 you know when you last won the Major trophy available every year!!
Facts eh!!! dont actually se many from you other than as we all know you have won the most titles a long time ago!!

I'M A SHAREHOLDER I GET A COPY OF THE ACCOUNTS. THAT WAS NOT THE YEAR END FIGURE,THAT WAS THE HALF YEAR FIGURE, AND IT WAS PUBLISHED AFTER WE HAD SPEND £20MILLION ON PLAYERS.WE'VE HAD TWO MAJOR PRIVATE INVESTMENTS SINCE.AND WE WON THE LEAGUE IN 1990,IT'S ONLY BEEN TWELVE LONG AND AT TIMES SUICIDAL YEARS.YOU LOT WON THE LEAGUE IN 1988/89.


I was being sarcastic

SO WAS I

oops sorry 14!!!!!!89-03!!
18 again irrelevant we are talkig about post old division!!

12 YEARS,13 COME MAY
AND I FAIL TO SEE HOW THEY ARE IRRELAVANT AS I SAID THE SIZE OF THE CLUB DEPENDS ON MORE THAN WHAT HAPPENS ON THE FIELD

Yes they have since then they have also repaid all money through sales and earnings. A few years ago they were not in the top leauge so obviouisly they didnt!!(and i am not a geordie so check your grammer!)

THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING LIKE REPAY THE MONEY THEY HAVE SPEND,THEY HAVE SIMPLY BORROWED MORE MONEY AND TRANSFERED THE DEBT FROM 1 PLACE TO ANOTHER.

I already know your reply to this post so you dont even need to.

see instead if you can do one that does not include

18 league championships!
Past glory
Any of the rubbish players you have who liverpool fans think are great(gerrard and murphy allowed as they are ggod)
your great new stadium(still in planning not definite yet, and you dont see me harping on about ours)
Uefa cup
1 season of champions league where you made it past teh mickey mouse stage

Try and include

good reasoned arguments with evidence why premiership titleless liverpool can say they are biger than arsenal these days.

CAN I MENTION THE 4 EUROPEAN CUPS WE HAVE WON??THE REST OF THE ENGLISH CLUBS HAVE ONLY WON 5 BETWEEN THEM
THE MICKEY MOUSE STAGE THAT IT TOOK YOU THREE ATTEMPTS TO GET PAST??
STADIUM IS DEFINITE
HAMANN,HYYPIA,RIISE,KIRKLAND/DUDEK AND A FIT AND ON-FORM OWEN WOULD MAKE THE ARSENAL TEAM,THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN AGREED BY YOUR OWN FANS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M ARGUEING WITH YOU ABOUT THIS,THIS DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HAD ON THE LIVERPOOL,MAN U AND ARSENAL BOARDS AND IT WAS AGREED THAT THE THREE BIGGEST CLUBS IN ENGLAND ARE MAN U, LIVERPOOL AND ARSENAL IN THAT ORDER

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Mackem Roligan
sorry about the above posting just ignore it.Rijkaard would be a disaster,the next Gullit in my opinion,how about giving Phil Thompson the job he did well as caretaker.

How about no,he's an idiot and you might as well have Houllier in charge.

Rijkaard is nothing like Gullit and it was only because Gullit fell out with Shearer that he left Newcastle.

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by The Rule
How about no,he's an idiot and you might as well have Houllier in charge.

Rijkaard is nothing like Gullit and it was only because Gullit fell out with Shearer that he left Newcastle.

I think its a disgrace that Gullit had to leave Newcastle because of Shearer,if Gullit didnt pick Shearer that night when we beat them that was his decision he was the manager after all,it just proves he thinks hes bigger than the club.

[barnybullet]

"CAN I MENTION THE 4 EUROPEAN CUPS WE HAVE WON??THE REST OF THE ENGLISH CLUBS HAVE ONLY WON 5 BETWEEN THEM
THE MICKEY MOUSE STAGE THAT IT TOOK YOU THREE ATTEMPTS TO GET PAST??
STADIUM IS DEFINITE
HAMANN,HYYPIA,RIISE,KIRKLAND/DUDEK AND A FIT AND ON-FORM OWEN WOULD MAKE THE ARSENAL TEAM,THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN AGREED BY YOUR OWN FANS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M ARGUEING WITH YOU ABOUT THIS,THIS DISCUSSION HAS BEEN HAD ON THE LIVERPOOL,MAN U AND ARSENAL BOARDS AND IT WAS AGREED THAT THE THREE BIGGEST CLUBS IN ENGLAND ARE MAN U, LIVERPOOL AND ARSENAL IN THAT ORDER"

No you cant i said no past glories.
didnt take 5 times the format changed remember!! If it wasnt for the changes this year would be your first.

I will let you have kirkland out that list and possible hyypia but the rest are overrated.
talk to real gooners then down in gooner land mate owen would get no-where near the arsenal team.

face it mate you are not as big as you once were but you could become again.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Mackem Roligan
I think its a disgrace that Gullit had to leave Newcastle because of Shearer,if Gullit didnt pick Shearer that night when we beat them that was his decision he was the manager after all,it just proves he thinks hes bigger than the club.

It wasn't really Shearer himself,he got dropped,the fans went mad and because of the hassle that was going on over Freddie and Doug's little video,the board thought it best to ask Gullit to leave in a bid to make the fans happy

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by The Rule
It wasn't really Shearer himself,he got dropped,the fans went mad and because of the hassle that was going on over Freddie and Doug's little video,the board thought it best to ask Gullit to leave in a bid to make the fans happy

Shearer also said that if Gullit had stayed he would have left.

[shearergol]

No no no, Mr Bullet, this has already been agreed on the other forums, so he MUST be right.

The figures that Bullet talks of are from Liverpool FC, freely available for view, and I assume that they are more factual than your "mind" evidence?

As for Liverpool being a "bigger" club, I actually don't really care, because we're a better team, and I'm laughing all the way to the Champions league.

You claim to know everything about every club. From another post where you claimed Shearer cost an initial £4m then payments based on appearance, well that is just utter crap. Again, get a copy of Newcastle's accounts and you will see that Shearer cost £12m with £3m based on Newcastle qualifying for Europe. You claim to know all the facts, but cannot back them up.

All in all, the arguments are pointless. We all know that Arsenal are the best team in England, Sunderland are rubbish, Newcastle have the most potential, and Houllier is a shite manager. Nothing else to discuss really. Oh apart from how the hell an England striker (Heskey) missed that chance against Palace. Maybe the ball going forward confused him, as Houllier likes the ball to played backwards doesn't he?

£110m on players and still only 6th in the league. Not sure why Roy Evans was the one who had to go to be honest.

[Looney]

Originally posted by Mackem Roligan
Shearer also said that if Gullit had stayed he would have left.

er dude notice that we were bottom of the league then? I don't think it was just Shearer who wanted him out...... stupid.......

And come on, Liverpool is the 2nd biggest club in England. Have you noticed their revenue base and fan base? They're bigger than Arsenal in case you haven't noticed.

And Newcastle might be in debt, but we can service those debts. We just paid off 30 million of that as well.

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by Looney
er dude notice that we were bottom of the league then? I don't think it was just Shearer who wanted him out...... stupid......

BUT SHEARER STILL WOULD HAVE LEFT NEWCASTLE BECAUSE HE WAS DROPPED WHICH IS A BIT RICH FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS ALWAYS SAYING NOBODY IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB,APART FROM HIM IT WOULD SEEM.

And come on, Liverpool is the 2nd biggest club in England. Have you noticed their revenue base and fan base? They're bigger than Arsenal in case you haven't noticed.

BUT LEAGUE TABLES ARE NOT BASED ON WHO IS THE BIGGEST CLUB ARSENAL ARE TOP END OF STORY.

And Newcastle might be in debt, but we can service those debts. We just paid off 30 million of that as well.

YOU CAN ONLY SERVICE THOSE DEBTS IF YOU QUALIFY FOR THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.

[al1892]

not necessarily. as has been stated, everytime a season ticket holder (you might remmebr those you had a couple a few years ago and are the only ones that go to your games anymore to get their 'money's worth') renews their ticket the debt is reduce and that is the basis by which we secured such loans. as the latest financial reports also show the situation is vastly improved and without such players as farcelino on the books our oney is clearly being used more efficiently. besides chapions league qualification for next season should be ours based on current form.
as for shearer, get over it, green just isnt your colour
but as long as youre having fun who am i to throw logic in your face

[Robledo]

Read this:

http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/newcastleunited/news/page.cfm?objectid=12609071&method=full&siteid=50081

[al1892]

youd never guess that id read a similar article would you! lol. makes all my saving for it worthwhile. :)

[Looney]

Yes league tables are not based on which team's the biggest, therefore while Arsenal may be top Liverpool is still bigger. What's your point man? Oh wait, you're a Mackem, you can't afford one!

[The Rule]

Looney:If you could buy points,maybe the Mackems would be in a safe position.

Shearergol:I fully agree that Newcastle are better than us at the moment and i wish you lot the best of luck for the rest of the season.Out of the top three i'd prefer to see Newcastle win the league.

Barneyrubble:I'll talk about past glories all i want,hey have you seen the state of our team??????i need something to be happy about

Mackem Roligan:Sorry to see you lot get beaten again at the weekend.You need Wilko out and Cockerill(is that his name) in

[Looney]

No way! They could barely afford to fire Monkey's Heed! If you could buy points with money the Mackems would be in an even worse position! They say we'rein debt but at least we can still spend without blowing the budget!

[Mackem Roligan]

Originally posted by The Rule
Looney:If you could buy points,maybe the Mackems would be in a safe position.

Shearergol:I fully agree that Newcastle are better than us at the moment and i wish you lot the best of luck for the rest of the season.Out of the top three i'd prefer to see Newcastle win the league.

Barneyrubble:I'll talk about past glories all i want,hey have you seen the state of our team??????i need something to be happy about

Mackem Roligan:Sorry to see you lot get beaten again at the weekend.You need Wilko out and Cockerill(is that his name) in

If think we should give Cotterill the chance to get us promoted next season,hopefully he can do for us what Micky Adams has done for Leicester since he took over from Dave Bassett.I see Liverpool where great again on saturday that means you went all season without a win against the north-east clubs.