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Sebastian
01-31-2003, 03:33 PM
......the most IMPORTANT thing in football is the GOAL....and the most atractive guy is the one who scores that goal......so i really wanna see you're opinions.......who is you're favorite striker.....be real....dont start aboutRONALDO that...RONALDO this....we're talking about the striker as an INDIVIDUAL........

my forst choice is PIPPO INZAGHI....man....evry other striker from seria C3 looks inferiour when compared with "supper" pippo....:silly:....hahahaha.....

joke aside...:smoking:....my first choice is

1 RONALDO_you wont find a better striker anywhere in the world....he'll be defenetly chosen as the best striker/player in the history of the football........ideal.....he can do it all by him self......:evil:........there's nothing i can say about him more......

2 VIERI_the DEMOLITION man...scores like nuts.....the best scorer in EUROPE at the moment...and he can easyly win the golden boot....:D......a real prototipe of a striker.....

3_HENRY_wery similar to RONALDO.....hyper fast.....briliant technician....and a free kick performer.......but he dont have RONIE'S ellegance CHARISMA and GRACE......+he isnt even near to RONALDO'S dribling skill.....but no one is RONALDO......so being close to him is enogh......;)........

4_ADRIANO i have said everything about him and you all know that he's my favorite striker......man i cant wait to see him in INTER shirt again......it's just a matter of time......
a complete STRIKER.......a combination of RONALDO(ronie isnt that big as this guy).....BOBO.....(he isnt fast like ADRIANO)......CARLOS(....allmost like his freed kicks).......
BRILIANT......if theres someone who is close to RONALDO than thats ADRIANO......and im sure that when he's at HENRY age.....he'll be better than him and take that third place in my best striker gallery....:smoking:......

5_TOTTI......he isnt enjoying his life in ROMA...but he's one of the best...there's no doubt about that......the best ITALIAN player......no one can replace him and BOBO in the ITALIAN national squad....:evil:....

thats it.......these are my 5 favorite ass kickers.....
remember that RECOBA and RONALDINHO arent a clasical strikers.....:smoking:.....

ilcapitano
01-31-2003, 04:04 PM
But Totti isn't a classical striker either, elchino...
Anyway, here's mine, in no particular order:

Van Nistelrooy
I always knew he can score goals but he also has amazing technical skills and he is also quite creative. Maybe the best forward in the world right now.

Vieri
Bobo is an obvious choice for any Inter fan. He's stayed on top for years, and isn't showing signs of getting old. His performances for the national team are also incredible - in 98 and 02 he scored almost every goal for Italy.

Henry
It's so strange to think how Henry began as a winger...and when Wenger :D made him a striker, nobody could predict what a scorer he would become. Always dangerous...and a very complete player, not "just" a goal poacher.

Raul
He isn't such a profilic striker that his fame suggests, and always a bit of a disappointment for Spain. But there is something I really like in his style of playing, that is very hard to put in words. I like watching him play, he can surprise me...and he can score real beauties.

Shevchenko
He will be back...a very skillful player. Also seems like a nice person, even if he plays for Milan ;)

I left out my greatest favourite Roberto Baggio, because I'm trying to be objective. He's still a great player but not near what he used to be...though he still beats many NT strikers IMO...

Rivaldo didn't make the list because I think he's better as a midfielder...a "hidden" striker.
Adriano is a great talent, but I'll wait for a year or two, and see what he becomes.

gnlvagosov
01-31-2003, 04:37 PM
My top 5 would be

-Trezeguet
-Shevchenko
-Raul
-Henry
-Ruud Van Nisterloy

doz
01-31-2003, 08:23 PM
These aren't necessarily the best 5 players because i'm going to choose 3 goalscorers and 2 creative strikers. They are:

1. Thierry Henry
What can you say about this guy? He's got it all; pace, skill, passing and finishing. He's amazing and it's frightening to think that he's still only about 25 (?) A great future in store no doubt.

2. Christian Vieri
Along with Pippo Inzaghi surely the best box player in the world. Whenever a ball comes into the box Vieri will be there. He may not score pretty goals but he scores and what more can anyone ask for? Always totally committed to the cause.

3. Ruud Van Nistelrooy
People make presumptions about Ruud. They say that all he does is get in the box and score tap ins. But anyone who has really watched this man play will know what he's all about. True, often his goals are not spectacular but his workrate is absolutely phenomenal. I am also of the opinion that his close control and ability to hold up the ball are unrivalled by any other striker. Not the quickest but this man will score goals for many more years.

4. Raul Gonzalez
This guy is a true phenomenon. Often overlooked by his seeming inability to perform at International level, Raul has got everything needed to become a true great. His combination of skill, pace, finishing, passing and his ability to find a gap in defences is the perfect combination.

5. Alessandro Del Piero
Often maligned but a fabulous player in my opinion. Great technique and skill with a wonderful ability to get past defenders and bring other players into the game. Has often been played out of position by Italian coach Il Crap, his best position is as the second striker alongside a goalscoring striker. Not that his own finishing is too shabby either.

It was tough to leave out players like Ronaldo, Shevchenko, Rivaldo, Kluivert etc. but i'm sticking by my choices.
:)

Juan
02-01-2003, 12:59 AM
In no particular order:

Sheva
Raul
RVN
Henry
Bobo

Severus
02-01-2003, 06:37 AM
if you're talking pure finishers then i don't know why del piero or totti would be named. nevertheless my top 5 finishers/centreforwards are:

1) trezeguet
2) raul
3) henry
4) van nistelrooy
5) crespo

nerazzuri
02-01-2003, 07:46 AM
this is hard

1. ronaldo
i know he only thinks about himself but he can score shit goals, scrappy goals, one of the best goals etc etc etc

2. shevchenko
skilled, good off the ball, fast.... very fast

3. henry
he is a ***ken fast and has a powerful shot

4. raul
a wicked left foot and ***ken smart

5. van nistelrooy
he can header, can score with both feet

nismo
02-01-2003, 08:15 AM
My pick for the top echelon of strikers in the competition today are:
Henry
Vieri
Trezeguet
RVN
Raul

Sebastian
02-01-2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by doz
These aren't necessarily the best 5 players because i'm going to choose 3 goalscorers and 2 creative strikers. They are:

1. Thierry Henry
What can you say about this guy? He's got it all; pace, skill, passing and finishing. He's amazing and it's frightening to think that he's still only about 25 (?) A great future in store no doubt.

2. Christian Vieri
Along with Pippo Inzaghi surely the best box player in the world. Whenever a ball comes into the box Vieri will be there. He may not score pretty goals but he scores and what more can anyone ask for? Always totally committed to the cause.

3. Ruud Van Nistelrooy
People make presumptions about Ruud. They say that all he does is get in the box and score tap ins. But anyone who has really watched this man play will know what he's all about. True, often his goals are not spectacular but his workrate is absolutely phenomenal. I am also of the opinion that his close control and ability to hold up the ball are unrivalled by any other striker. Not the quickest but this man will score goals for many more years.

4. Raul Gonzalez
This guy is a true phenomenon. Often overlooked by his seeming inability to perform at International level, Raul has got everything needed to become a true great. His combination of skill, pace, finishing, passing and his ability to find a gap in defences is the perfect combination.

5. Alessandro Del Piero
Often maligned but a fabulous player in my opinion. Great technique and skill with a wonderful ability to get past defenders and bring other players into the game. Has often been played out of position by Italian coach Il Crap, his best position is as the second striker alongside a goalscoring striker. Not that his own finishing is too shabby either.

It was tough to leave out players like Ronaldo, Shevchenko, Rivaldo, Kluivert etc. but i'm sticking by my choices.
:)

...if TOTTI isnt a classical striker than neither is DEL PIERO......:D.......they bouth can play bihind the strikers....but they're most effective when used as strikers....TOTTI is a striker.....as fearsome as he can be......with 10 goals in the calcio......he's marvelous......and he's better than DEL PIERO....TRAPATONI knew that...that's why he used DEL PIERO as a TOTTI'S shadow....+ he took pinturichio's No 10....:evil:......

Sebastian
02-01-2003, 04:17 PM
...you know im quite surprised that lot of guys didnt even mentioned RONALDO.......he's the best and that's a fact.....he won it all tropheys......from the FIFA commision....(if someone says that he isnt prooven) and by the fans....so i dont see why some of you are blinded from his departure from INTER....:confused:.........RAUL....better tha RONALDO?????i can bett that every one of you would've placed him as a first choice if he was still an INTERSITA.......:rolleyes:......he isnt a worst player just becouse he left INTER......he is most BRILLIANT......:evil:.....

i thoght about NISTELROOY.....but hey if ADRIANO goes in ENGLAND.....:D.....he will score even with his dick.......

Severus
02-01-2003, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by eLcino
...if TOTTI isnt a classical striker than neither is DEL PIERO......:D.......they bouth can play bihind the strikers....but they're most effective when used as strikers....TOTTI is a striker.....as fearsome as he can be......with 10 goals in the calcio......he's marvelous......and he's better than DEL PIERO....TRAPATONI knew that...that's why he used DEL PIERO as a TOTTI'S shadow....+ he took pinturichio's No 10....:evil:......

del piero has scored double the goals zozzi has scored throughout their careers so what's your basis ? i mean, using trapattoni really doesn't prove much other than you're a bigger idiot than him it seems.

doz
02-01-2003, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by eLcino
...if TOTTI isnt a classical striker than neither is DEL PIERO......:D.......they bouth can play bihind the strikers....but they're most effective when used as strikers....TOTTI is a striker.....as fearsome as he can be......with 10 goals in the calcio......he's marvelous......and he's better than DEL PIERO....TRAPATONI knew that...that's why he used DEL PIERO as a TOTTI'S shadow....+ he took pinturichio's No 10....:evil:......

One thing seperates Totti and Del Piero for me; Totti is a diving poser with an ego the size of Russia, Del Piero is a humble man who works hard.
Totti can be terribly inconsistent and petty when things don't go his way, when Del Piero is playing poorly he just gets on with it. That's why i prefer Sandro.

Severus
02-01-2003, 11:40 PM
INDEED DOZZER !!!

it's more the intangibles big AL delivers that makes him considerably more valuable IMO. despite the fact not even skillwise would totti measure up to him.

del piero's also much more classy to cap it off.

blackandblue
02-02-2003, 12:03 AM
Its too difficult to choose a top 5!

You try to categorize the following:

Robbie Keane
Vieri
Crespo
Batistuta
Inzaghi F
Inzaghi S
Ronaldo
Totti
Recoba
Montella
Del Piero
Trezuguet
Di Vaio
Kluivert
Saviola
Ronaldo
Raul
Morientes
Carew
Eto
Kovacevic
Nuno Gomes
Pauleta
Henrik Larssen
Henry
Kanu
Wiltord
Owen
Van Nistelrooy
Ole Gunnar S
Fowler
Shearer
Rooney
Beattie
Ronaldinho
Rivaldo
Shevchenko
Adriano
Luizao

And anybody else you care to mention!

Those are only the ones I can remember.

( I haven't included german,french,dutch,belgian,portugese leagues or any other continents).

nismo
02-02-2003, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by doz
One thing seperates Totti and Del Piero for me; Totti is a diving poser with an ego the size of Russia, Del Piero is a humble man who works hard.
Totti can be terribly inconsistent and petty when things don't go his way, when Del Piero is playing poorly he just gets on with it. That's why i prefer Sandro.
That must explain Roma's demise

Sebastian
02-02-2003, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by doz
One thing seperates Totti and Del Piero for me; Totti is a diving poser with an ego the size of Russia, Del Piero is a humble man who works hard.
Totti can be terribly inconsistent and petty when things don't go his way, when Del Piero is playing poorly he just gets on with it. That's why i prefer Sandro.

....wait just a second.....they bouth have the'yre ups and downs......and they're squads are lot diferent......JUVE is light years ahed from ROMA.....and it seems that nothing works fro the ROME outfit......TOTTI had an ego???
who doesnt...????......in the 2000 season wich one was better PIERO or TOTTI......comparing them at the moment isnt fair....cos teams have diferent goals......JUVE fights for the SCUDETTO and the CL crown...while ROMA struglles for the INTERTOTO cup......
have it you're own way........but TOTTI has an advantage over DEL PIERO he isnt a dwarf......and that helps him to win duels with a world class defenders......where beside you're brilliant skills and technique you need a frame similar to theirs......
time will tell.....

....:D....replying to you severbutholle will make a bigger idiot......and i see that you're first option is TREZEGUET....is he better striker than BOBO you paranormal moronic mutant??????

VivaBarcaInter
02-02-2003, 03:58 PM
Aren't you the one that thinks Mr Ed is the best striker around still?

It's obvious he isn't the same. Vieri has scored more goals, for a less offensive team, in a tougher league than he has. He's simply not the same. Henry now is the way Ronaldo used to be back when he was good.

Anyway, for me a top 5 in no particular order would probably include

Raul
Vieri
Henry
Trezeguet
Shevchenko

ayt
02-02-2003, 04:49 PM
Teh world's best striker on the planet at the moment has to be thierry henry.
he scores, he creates, he dribbles... what can't the man do...

the other in the top 5 would be
raul, ronaldo, vieri, del piero.

jbincalgary
02-02-2003, 09:34 PM
shearer should be on any top 5, if not. then top 10

InTeR_FaNaTiC
02-02-2003, 10:43 PM
i just wanna make sure before i pick my top 5 .... r we talking about strikers THIS SEASON ?

if so ... then anyone who picked ronaldo in their top 5 , although it's their own opinions , is an ( excuse me for this word ) .... idiot .

wassim ajami
02-02-2003, 11:26 PM
the best srikers today are

1) Ronaldo
2) Henry
3)raul
4)vieri
5)crespo

Zek
02-03-2003, 06:25 AM
Henry, Shevchenko, Raul, Crespo, Van Nisterloy

talking about strikers only

nerazzuri
02-03-2003, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by eLcino
...you know im quite surprised that lot of guys didnt even mentioned RONALDO.......he's the best and that's a fact.....he won it all tropheys......from the FIFA commision....(if someone says that he isnt prooven) and by the fans....so i dont see why some of you are blinded from his departure from INTER....:confused:.........RAUL....better tha RONALDO?????i can bett that every one of you would've placed him as a first choice if he was still an INTERSITA.......:rolleyes:......he isnt a worst player just becouse he left INTER......he is most BRILLIANT......:evil:.....

i thoght about NISTELROOY.....but hey if ADRIANO goes in ENGLAND.....:D.....he will score even with his dick.......
i put ronaldo down, as No. 1 too;)

nerazzuri
02-03-2003, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by blackandblue
Its too difficult to choose a top 5!

You try to categorize the following:

Robbie Keane
Vieri
Crespo
Batistuta
Inzaghi F
Inzaghi S
Ronaldo
Totti
Recoba
Montella
Del Piero
Trezuguet
Di Vaio
Kluivert
Saviola
Ronaldo
Raul
Morientes
Carew
Eto
Kovacevic
Nuno Gomes
Pauleta
Henrik Larssen
Henry
Kanu
Wiltord
Owen
Van Nistelrooy
Ole Gunnar S
Fowler
Shearer
Rooney
Beattie
Ronaldinho
Rivaldo
Shevchenko
Adriano
Luizao

And anybody else you care to mention!

Those are only the ones I can remember.

( I haven't included german,french,dutch,belgian,portugese leagues or any other continents).
what about kezman

001
02-03-2003, 12:45 PM
The top 5

All my strikers are consistant scorers, and that is the main reason why i chose the following lot,. I must also mention that there is very little that separates these 5 guys, and in their own ways, they can easliy be classified as the best.

1.Me

Superb physique, great athleticism, lots of goals, and a real showman...nahhhh forget messing around..here goes


1.Thierry Henry

At the moment, there is no one quite like him, he can dribble, he can run, he can shoot, he can think. But i think i choose him mainly, because he is so fast and always eems to score. He is a team player as well, and sets up a few too. This guy, just shows what a genius Wenger is. Turning a two bit winger into arguably the best striker in the world. I am sure defenders are scared to play against him, he has strength, so you cant throw him off a ball, and he is as fast as an olympic athlete. But i suppose what he lacks is that BIZZAZ that made Ronaldo the greatest in 97, that extra bit of class, that only maradonna, buck tooth, and pele possess. The air of invincibility, never mind the 60 yard runs, ending in a great goal, and the lack of headed goal.

2. Ronaldo

Solely on the fact that he promises the return of pure absolute magic, so missed since maradonna's retirement. Them long runs, and all barca fans know what i am talking about here. Them magic moments against Lazio for inter. dream are nade of that stuff.
But i aint bigging hjm up on his history alone, if that, he would be numer 1 by far, and probably in all of history.
But he has gone from spectaluar goal scorer, to tap in master as well.
top scorer in the world cup, need i say more?

3. Christian Vieri

Like someone said in some thread above mine, he has cored most of italy's goals in the last 2 world cups. 17 goals in serie a so far..i think, in only like 13 games, or something. And his marveloous scoring near the end of last season. By far the greatest TAP IN MASTER in the world. I put him for sheer consistency, great shooting. Although his teamwork may be questionable. I suppose the only reason why i havent put veri in the top. Vieri is one of those players, who you know is going to score. He can be out with injury, and score a hat trick on his return. I thank Vieri for all of his goals for inter this season.

4. Hernan Crespo

Top scorer in serie A 2 season back or something, or was it 3 season back...who cares. Another tap in master, as well as coring fantastic goals. He can score with basically any part of his body, just like vieri. Top scorer for inter in the champions league, in a competition with strikers such as Henry, Nistlerroy, kluivert, raul. Tis guy has the edge, and the truth is had he been SETTLED at a big club, earlier we would be witnessing a all time top scorer of the CL. Forget Raul or del piero. I am so happy we signed creppi, and hope he returns from injury, without much bother.

5. Ruud Van Nistlerooy

What a buy by alex fergs. Tap ins, great goals, and consistancy.




Others to mention

Michael Owen
Shevchenko
Raul
Trezeguet
Adriano(the young hope)

Sebastian
02-03-2003, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by InTeR_FaNaTiC
i just wanna make sure before i pick my top 5 .... r we talking about strikers THIS SEASON ?

if so ... then anyone who picked ronaldo in their top 5 , although it's their own opinions , is an ( excuse me for this word ) .... idiot .

......idiot you say?????
werent you the one who changed the nick RONALDO_FANATIC in to INTER fanatic i think????
.....there's intelects in this thread who are farrrrrrrrrr more developed than you'rs.....and they mind they're opinions without offending anyone........
you are calling me an IDIOT and all those who are realistic enough to pass that stubborn barrier????.....mocko eden mammata da ti ja ebam..........you piece of cristal crap..........if you are here to place you're opinion do it.....if not than piss of damn retard......i aint gonna take "wisdom" from someone like you.......

The Rule
02-03-2003, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Severus
if you're talking pure finishers then i don't know why del piero or totti would be named. nevertheless my top 5 finishers/centreforwards are:

1) trezeguet
2) raul
3) henry
4) van nistelrooy
5) crespo

agreed on the players.not sure about the order,it's hard to say.

The Rule
02-03-2003, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by jbincalgary
shearer should be on any top 5, if not. then top 10

why??

doz
02-03-2003, 05:57 PM
I notive somebody chose Owen. I got angry when i saw that.:mad: In my opinion Owen is the most overrated player i've ever seen playing. He has pace....but what else? His finishing sucks as anyone who saw the Arsenal game will testify, his touch is more often that not way ahead of him and if he's up against a quick defender he contributes nothing. Owen is nothing but a poor man's Henry.

Sebastian
02-03-2003, 08:46 PM
OWEN......yeah.....that prooved that in order to win the golden ball you shouldnt be good at all.....you should be booring.......
......i watch the epl when i have nothing to do and to tell you the truth.....OWEN is damn invisible......i remember when MORRATI said "OWEN is our bjective...."man if he bought that goat....i'll become an EMPOLI fan......

InTeR_FaNaTiC
02-03-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by eLcino
......idiot you say?????
werent you the one who changed the nick RONALDO_FANATIC in to INTER fanatic i think????


i don't understand what that has to do with what i said ..:dontcare:


so ronaldo is making wonders with Real this season ?

smartbomb
02-03-2003, 10:00 PM
Henrik Larsson, for god's sake :o well I dunno, he's just one of my favorites but lethal as hell.

I also remember the good days of Amoroso and Hasselbaink :)

Severus
02-04-2003, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by eLcino
replying to you severbutholle will make a bigger idiot......and i see that you're first option is TREZEGUET....is he better striker than BOBO you paranormal moronic mutant??????

moronic eh ??? well if vieri's sooo much better why did trezeguet score more goals in one half of a match in the CL than vieri has scored all season, stupid ?

as for totti being physically bigger than del piero, what good is that size advantage when he goes down twice as often ?

you really are clueless aren't you.

Sebastian
02-04-2003, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by InTeR_FaNaTiC
i don't understand what that has to do with what i said ..:dontcare:


so ronaldo is making wonders with Real this season ?

what has to do with that??????.....you idealised RONALDO when he was an INTERISTA you weared his name for GOD sake and now all of a sudden the guy who placed him in his 5 best strikers is an IDIOT.......:confused:......isnt this SATIRICAL?????
it's like RECOBA leaves INTER and then when someone considers him as one of the worlds best.....i come in and make him an IDIOT....this is hilarious........:rolleyes:.....
why did you used RONALDO'S nick????becose the guy is pretty????...becouse he's the wisest person alive????
hell no....becouse you must consider him as one of the worlds best.......by calling all those who placed him IDIOTS you're automaticly called you're self an IDIOT....i dont want to offend you....but think about something before you write it....cos this is ridiculous......

Il fenomeno
02-04-2003, 05:48 PM
The 5 best in the buisness...

1. Ronaldo
2. Henry
3. Crespo
4. Shevchenko
5. Del Piero

A cuple of hundred places further down.

167. Vieri

HAHAHAHHAH

InTeR_FaNaTiC
02-04-2003, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by eLcino
what has to do with that??????.....you idealised RONALDO when he was an INTERISTA you weared his name for GOD sake and now all of a sudden the guy who placed him in his 5 best strikers is an IDIOT.......:confused:......isnt this SATIRICAL?????
it's like RECOBA leaves INTER and then when someone considers him as one of the worlds best.....i come in and make him an IDIOT....this is hilarious........:rolleyes:.....
why did you used RONALDO'S nick????becose the guy is pretty????...becouse he's the wisest person alive????
hell no....becouse you must consider him as one of the worlds best.......by calling all those who placed him IDIOTS you're automaticly called you're self an IDIOT....i dont want to offend you....but think about something before you write it....cos this is ridiculous......

:rolleyes: ... elcino , let's not make a big deal out of this , ok ?

you probably misunderstood my post ... i asked in my post whenther if these 5 strikers should be picked according to how great their CURRENT SEASON is or not .

and then i said that everyone who picked Ronaldo as one of the best THIS SEASON 2002\03 is an idiot ( although probably i shouldn't have said that , i admit ) ...... cuz there r faaar more successful players doing a great job with their clubs than ronaldo . again :

THIS SEASON :rolleyes:

nerazzuri
02-05-2003, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by Il fenomeno
The 5 best in the buisness...

1. Ronaldo
2. Henry
3. Crespo
4. Shevchenko
5. Del Piero

A cuple of hundred places further down.

167. Vieri

HAHAHAHHAH
so typical of u il fenomeno......
but in a way it's funny

001
02-05-2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by nerazzuri
so typical of u il fenomeno......
but in a way it's funny

I tell you this, ilfenomeno is the king of comedy in the board

the guy cracks me up every time
what an entertainer

:thumbsup:

The Rule
02-05-2003, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by ayt
Teh world's best striker on the planet at the moment has to be thierry henry.
he scores, he creates, he dribbles... what can't the man do...

.

he can't head the ball

Maldini03
02-06-2003, 02:15 AM
1. RONALDO
2. Henry
3. Vieri
4. Van Nistreloy
5. Raul

nerazzuri
02-06-2003, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by Severus
as for totti being physically bigger than del piero, what good is that size advantage when he goes down twice as often ?

agreed

MxManiak
02-06-2003, 11:47 AM
Mine would be:

1.Henry
2.RVN
3.Raul
4.Del Piero
5.Shevchenko

Sebastian
02-06-2003, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by InTeR_FaNaTiC
:rolleyes: ... elcino , let's not make a big deal out of this , ok ?

you probably misunderstood my post ... i asked in my post whenther if these 5 strikers should be picked according to how great their CURRENT SEASON is or not .

and then i said that everyone who picked Ronaldo as one of the best THIS SEASON 2002\03 is an idiot ( although probably i shouldn't have said that , i admit ) ...... cuz there r faaar more successful players doing a great job with their clubs than ronaldo . again :

THIS SEASON :rolleyes:

if you would've refined you're opinion...non of this would have happened.......but you see...i created this thread and the TOPIC was 5 gratest strikers in the bussines.....that means in the bussines........this isnt the last season and the world isnt gonna banish....:D.....it isnt only for one season......he has changed the enviroment and he's going through the same period like ZIDANE did last year.....while the other strikers remained in they're teams in wich they are perfectly well addopted.......next season he will explode.....you can bett in that...hell he'll explode even this one......all the others can even dream about his success and charismatic performances......that's a fact.....
you know you pissed me becouse it sounded damn ironic....:silly:......it was like a dogmatic definition for the word IRONY........:ronaldo:.......i was called an idiot from the guy who used to wear the RONALDO'S name as his nick......isnt it ironic???.......
everything's fine and cool........:thumbsup:......

InTeR_FaNaTiC
02-06-2003, 02:47 PM
:) ok case closed .

anyway here r my top 5 :

- Henry : everything has been said about him ... nothing more i can add .

- Vieri : good in the air , positioning , very strong , a leader . and incerible goal ratio .
players stuff aside , i like his attitude towards the media , has strong opinions , and as he said "it irritates him not to win"

- Crespo : im surprised that this guy is sooo under-rated .... anyone that scores more than 100 goals in serie a in which a large number of those were scored with Prama :rolleyes: is definitely one of the best . he is damn fast , great finishing , good dribbling . he played a huge and important role in Argentin's campaign in the WC qualifiers .

- Mutu : currently , i'd say any coach would fancy him playing in his team ... the inter reject is going to be one of the best , and Byern are turning their attention to him . FAAAST and pacy , excellent right foot , magnificent technique . and he's just 23 i think . too bad we couldn't wait for him to mature ... we could've atleast loaned him or sold half of him .:cry:

- Ronaldo : :D ... yes he's one of the best . and we all know why . although i despise him for what he did :bloody:

Sebastian
02-06-2003, 03:02 PM
- Ronaldo : ... yes he's one of the best . and we all know why . although i despise him for what he did

...you bastard......:silly:.......hahahhaa....i knew that you would count him in.......eventually......:D.......

InTeR_FaNaTiC
02-06-2003, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by eLcino
- Ronaldo : ... yes he's one of the best . and we all know why . although i despise him for what he did

...you bastard......:silly:.......hahahhaa....i knew that you would count him in.......eventually......:D.......

:silly: ..:smallpig: :arrow: :ronaldo:

Sebastian
02-07-2003, 02:55 PM
reality bites and it's just as painfull as the TRUTH.....:evil:....:D.......

Hizbollah
02-09-2003, 09:31 AM
The best strikers in Europe right now without order:

- Vieri
- Inzaghi
- Crespo
- DelPiero
- Nihat/Kovacevic
- Henry
- Van Nistelroy
- Totti
- Shevchenko

and Ronaldo is nowhere in the Top 10 this season believe me.

Sebastian
02-10-2003, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Hizbollah
The best strikers in Europe right now without order:


Inzaghi


INZAGHI is and RONALDO isnt?????
.....what a bunch of carp....:rolleyes:.....RONALDO will be better even if heplays with one leg.....

ilcapitano
02-10-2003, 01:37 PM
I've never liked "Super Pippo" (LOL) but he was very effective before the winter break. Right now he looks out of form...missed two sitters against Perugia yesterday.
Pippo is playing for us right now...:D

Sebastian
02-10-2003, 01:43 PM
...exacly.....the guy litraly sanked MILAN...against UDINE when he missed that 10000000000000% golden chanse........and against PERUGIA?????ANCELOTI isnt that wise.......if there was RIVALDO and SHEVA in the forward with COSTA bihind them they would've won the match with 1-3.....but im glad that INZAGHI found his place under the sun..............:silly:......

ilcapitano
02-10-2003, 01:53 PM
Why Ancelotti prefers Inzaghi to Shevchenko is a complete mystery to me...:confused:

Sebastian
02-10-2003, 02:29 PM
...well he draged with that idiot......in JUVE too......imagine he preffered INZAGHI most of the time over TREZEGUET.....:silly:.....and when it was obvious that DAVID is a heavy world class ass kicker and this imbecil isnt....they sold him....but im sure that CARLO shared some tears when they said goodbue..........:D.......

and now they made a reunion again....:thumbsup:......

nerazzuri
02-10-2003, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by eLcino
if there was RIVALDO and SHEVA in the forward with COSTA bihind them
powerful..... damn powerful:evil:

Sebastian
02-10-2003, 02:42 PM
...but tell that to this limited edition of a COACH...........:rolleyes:.....

InTeR_FaNaTiC
02-10-2003, 02:50 PM
LOL what r u guys so upset about ? :D :rolleyes:

Carlo is is screwin up our Rivals .... that is everything but a bad thing :D :rolling:

Hizbollah
02-10-2003, 02:52 PM
eLcino, my calls were best strikers RIGHT NOW and Inzaghi scored 3 times more goals this season than Ronaldo did, who was in a poor form for a long period and that's why he was bashed from the Madrid press. Ronaldo is nowhere in the Top 10 right now and him winning Fifa and European player of the year was a big JOKE.

nerazzuri
02-10-2003, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Hizbollah
him winning Fifa and European player of the year was a big JOKE.
true, should've went to RC

InTeR_FaNaTiC
02-10-2003, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by Hizbollah
eLcino, my calls were best strikers RIGHT NOW and Inzaghi scored 3 times more goals this season than Ronaldo did, who was in a poor form for a long period and that's why he was bashed from the Madrid press. Ronaldo is nowhere in the Top 10 right now and him winning Fifa and European player of the year was a big JOKE.

:D :thumbsup:

i dunno if u read that argument i had with eLcino in tis thread about the top 5 strikers .... he is asking about the top 5 in the business in GENERAL .

but if we're talkin about this season i must agree with u although i'd put Henry right after Vieri and throw Inzaghi waaaay back .;)


Congrats to me :D ... this is my 1000 post ... im a legend :silly:

Hizbollah
02-10-2003, 03:30 PM
InTeR_FaNaTiC, i think I'm misunderstood, the list i made is in no order i just listed the best strikers right now.

Hizbollah
02-10-2003, 03:35 PM
BTW in my opinion Michael Ballack should have been awarded the Fifa and European player of the year.
He played about 80 games last season with Leverkusen and the German National team leading them nearly to the win of the german league, Champions League final, german cup final and to the Wold Cup final scoring LOADS of goals. Outstanding performance by him unlike Ronaldo who hasn't played for years, only played a good WC and won both awards which is ridiculous.

ilcapitano
02-11-2003, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Hizbollah
BTW in my opinion Michael Ballack should have been awarded the Fifa and European player of the year.
He played about 80 games last season with Leverkusen and the German National team leading them nearly to the win of the german league, Champions League final, german cup final and to the Wold Cup final scoring LOADS of goals. Outstanding performance by him unlike Ronaldo who hasn't played for years, only played a good WC and won both awards which is ridiculous.

Agreed.
It's almost heart-breaking that after such a season Ballack didn't win anything...and missed the WC final too.

nerazzuri
02-11-2003, 02:37 PM
and ballack scored in the semi-finals as well

Sebastian
02-11-2003, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Hizbollah
eLcino, my calls were best strikers RIGHT NOW and Inzaghi scored 3 times more goals this season than Ronaldo did, who was in a poor form for a long period and that's why he was bashed from the Madrid press. Ronaldo is nowhere in the Top 10 right now and him winning Fifa and European player of the year was a big JOKE.

......5 best strikers in the business.......does that sounds for one season????
the overall qualities of a sertain player......
and as for the GOLDEN BALL......listen guys....none of you aprecite and RESPECT RONALDO's acheavment.......ROBERTO didnt screw up his ligaments twice......the most horrible injury in the business and he returned back....:evil:.....some people dont consider the other factors...they want just to judge by they're personal opinions......:rolleyes:......

"Ronaldo is nowhere in the Top 10 right now and him winning Fifa and European player of the year was a big JOKE. "

it's like you newer watched the WORLD CUP........let me ask you something.....why did ZIDANE won the GOLDEN ball in 98????
RONALDO was second.....becouse ZIZU shined in the final.....hell he shined through all tournament.......if BRASIL won in 98 RONALDO would've won the award......
he deserved the GOLDEN ball.....cos this WORLD CUP was his TURNING POINT....in life and in football......he played marvelous through the whole competition.......that's why he won that individual most wanted award......
....you're comments makes no sence....either you're a frustrated INTER fan like the most of us.....or something for wich i dont know the reason.......
the WORLD CUP ius beyond every thing in football it's the KULMINATION......there isnt something higher than that........have it you're way........but RONALDO is the best....you all know that......that's the reality......it may be not pleasent for everyone....but that's it.......a honest person will allways admit that no matter what happened he's the best.........i can sense the frustration in you're comments......he wasnt near in the top 10???......D.......:silly:....whatever........

Hizbollah
02-11-2003, 05:36 PM
eLcino, it doesn't seem like you know that the Fifa and European player of the year award is FROM December TO December (1 YEAR) and not from May to July, it's YOU that make you sense.
Now go look back at Ballack's achievements last season where he played an awesome season and did lead his teams to all finals scoring loads of goals while Ronaldo was sitting at home watching football from his TV. So from your views you want to say that a player needs to play one good tournament to get those awards? Thanks for the laugh, you don't know what you're talkin. And Zidane deserved that award because he did not only play a very good tournamnet, but also a great season with Juve without beeing injured for years unlike Ronaldo.You either have no clue about football or you're biased about Ronaldo (maybe both).

Sebastian
02-11-2003, 05:59 PM
..........Hizbollah...........Hizbollah.......Hizbollah........

RONALDO was sitting home and watching Tv...........it seems that Hizbollah and the word sense doesnt go hand in hand dont they??????

"the Fifa and European player of the year award is FROM December TO December (1 YEAR) and not from May to July"

but the WORLD CUP is played once in four DECEMBERS....... MR wiseguy........

........pfhhhhhhhhhhh......:worried:............some one as stubborn as you dont deserve my REPLY........
so the FIFA awarded RONIE becouse he's WIFE worked over time....eh???....it wasnt becouse of RONALDO'S performance.......nahhhhhhhhh.......:thumbsup:......he returned like a resurected WARRIOR and conquered the WORLD Hizbollah........:rolleyes:........he didnt won the league.......he won the WORLD.....Hizbollah.........

Hizbollah
02-11-2003, 06:23 PM
LOL @ eLcino. You base your entire outlook on one World Cup which takes 1 month long, but a football season is 8 month but you seem to be too ignorant and bias to understand that. The top players of the last WC disapointed because they were tired after 10 month of club league games, league Cup, Championsleague, World Cup qualify and friendly games while Ronaldo DIDN'T even help his team Brazil to qualify nor did he play ANY games for his club and was lucky to reach his top form at the right time and had an advantage towards other players, so there goes your theory. Players like Ballack, Henry, Vieri etc. work damn hard all season long, compeating at the top level to get robbed by Fifa/Uefa when it comes to awards. Lets get real man, take off the "Ronaldo is god" blinders you have on and stop beeing ignorant.

InTeR_FaNaTiC
02-11-2003, 09:14 PM
:D :rolling: Hizbolla you RULE man , keep up the good work :thumbsup:

Maldini03
02-12-2003, 01:09 AM
on one World Cup which takes 1 month long, but a football season is 8 month but you seem to be too ignorant and bias to understand that.


Pissbolah or whatever your stinking name is, paolo rossi won the Ballon D'Or in 1982 why because he scored 6 goals in that tournament okay HE DID CRAP for Juventus in 82. Hell he was BANNED prior the world cup and after the world cup he played SHITTY!!! but still won the Ballon D'Oro. After RONALDO cameback from injury he scored 7 goals in 10 games NOT BAD for a GUY who had been out for nearly 2 1/2 years. When he cameback Chino and Vieri all of the sudden were no where to be FOUND. THeir play diminished, all the pressure was on RONALDO to deliver. The defense was poor and no creative midfiled that is what caused Inter the scudetto last year. A few months later Ronaldo went to Korea/Japan and scored 8 GOALS (2 in the finals) furthermore, he tied KING Pele's record of 12 goals. He was truly amazing. After the world he kept on scoring; Brazil vs Korea (he scored twice) his debut he scored twice and yes he went through a dry spell however he did SCORE against OLYMPIA and won the INTERcontinental cup moreover, he was named MVP of the game. I think RONALDO rightly deserved all the awards he received. He is the 5th KING OF SOCCER.

Di Stefano, Pele, Cruyff, Maradona, and now RONALDO.

Compare and contrast the achievements of each player and you'll see that RONALDO has won MORE individual AWARDS than any of these players. Ronaldo can go toe to toe against the biggest names in soccer history. RONALDO has accomplished as much or more than any of the names above and keep in mind that he is only 26!!!

Hizbollah
02-12-2003, 05:18 PM
Maldini03, I will explain you something now, listen up and maybe you will learn something.
You don't seem to understand that the FIFA and the “Ballon d'Or” rankings are total nonsense, the Ballon d'Or player of the year(s) is voted by french journalists. I will just name you some examples of their worthlessness when it comes to rankings.

2002 winner : Ronaldo (totally undeserved)
2001 winner: Michael Owen (underserved as well)
1999 second place: David Beckham (thanks for the laugh)
1994 winner: Hristo Stoitchkov and Baggio ONLY second (Baggio led Italy to the WC Final pretty much on his own and played a great season with his club Juve unlike Ronaldo who only played one WC)

The list with with "unexplainable" votes goes on and on especially FIFA. Now lets look at your "when Ronaldo came back at the WC, Vieri was nowhere to be found" theory. I would suggest have a look at the 2002 WC top scorer list and you will find Vieri. He scored 10 goals in ONLY 9 games, Ronaldo scored 12 goals in over 14 games. What does that tell your retarded brain? Pele scored 12 goals in OVER 20 WC games, you can list Pele as well as Ronaldo below Vieri when it comes to hit rate. Ronaldo's awards back in '96 and '97 were well deserved, but his Fifa and European player of the year awards from 2002 were a big JOKE, he IS a paper champ. Is it fair that players like Ballack, Vieri, R.Carlos, Henry etc. play 70+ games in a season, compeating on the top level and showing constant performances unlike Ronaldo, and at the end, stand there empty-handed? You are either ignorant or stupid (I think it's both) to understand that Fifa or European awards are wothless these days and that Ronaldo didn't deserve any of these awards last year. It's not the first time Fifa screws players and it won't be the last time. I would agree that Ronaldo would have deserved it when those votes apply from May to July, but it's December to December according to Fifa and France Football magazine, so it's complete crap.

lili
02-12-2003, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by eLcino
......5 best strikers in the business.......does that sounds for one season????
the overall qualities of a sertain player......
and as for the GOLDEN BALL......listen guys....none of you aprecite and RESPECT RONALDO's acheavment.......ROBERTO didnt screw up his ligaments twice......the most horrible injury in the business and he returned back....:evil:.....some people dont consider the other factors...they want just to judge by they're personal opinions......:rolleyes:......

"Ronaldo is nowhere in the Top 10 right now and him winning Fifa and European player of the year was a big JOKE. "

it's like you newer watched the WORLD CUP........let me ask you something.....why did ZIDANE won the GOLDEN ball in 98????
RONALDO was second.....becouse ZIZU shined in the final.....hell he shined through all tournament.......if BRASIL won in 98 RONALDO would've won the award......
he deserved the GOLDEN ball.....cos this WORLD CUP was his TURNING POINT....in life and in football......he played marvelous through the whole competition.......that's why he won that individual most wanted award......
....you're comments makes no sence....either you're a frustrated INTER fan like the most of us.....or something for wich i dont know the reason.......
the WORLD CUP ius beyond every thing in football it's the KULMINATION......there isnt something higher than that........have it you're way........but RONALDO is the best....you all know that......that's the reality......it may be not pleasent for everyone....but that's it.......a honest person will allways admit that no matter what happened he's the best.........i can sense the frustration in you're comments......he wasnt near in the top 10???......D.......:silly:....whatever........


Are you OK?:angel: :D

lili
02-12-2003, 05:50 PM
in no specific order:

Ronaldo
Raul
Van Nistelroy
Vieri
Makaay

Fact is, there are more than 5 great strikers in Europe and it's not easy to say who's the best.
I see here also Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Henry, Montella, Guti and Owen(I know he sucks right now, but hope he'll find back to his former quality).;)

InTeR_FaNaTiC
02-12-2003, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by lili
Are you OK?:angel: :D

lol he probably fainted after all these big words :D ;)

Maldini03
02-12-2003, 11:17 PM
Pissbolah, so what if Henry and Trezeguet were top SCORERS in their respective leagues??? how many goals did they score for France in this past world cup??? Is it fair to give someone the Ballon D' Oro award if that player did not contribute for his country. Sure Henry won the English Premier but Trezeguet also won the scudetto...Vieri did not win jack crap last year... so he had a good world cup but DID NOT WIN IT. Ballack always ended up in SECOND place last year...in the German league, CL final, and WC final he deserves a worhty mention. Roberto Carlos put Maldini or Chivu in his place they would have won as MUCH or MORE with Real and Brazil. Ronaldo 7 out of 10 goals, makes history in this past world cup, wins the INTERcontinental cup and gets the MVP award. He is a WORTHY champion!!! No doubt about it!!!

BLAUGRANA
02-12-2003, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Maldini03
He is a WORTHY champion!!! No doubt about it!!!

Not nearly as worthy as his various teammates are:

Raul
Rivaldo
RC
Zidane

...and the list goes on and on.

Maldini03
02-12-2003, 11:55 PM
what's the matter azulcaca, are you still BITTER
that RONALDO LEFT barca...

I guess he knew better uh?

Barcelona what a JOKE of a club!!!

Hizbollah
02-13-2003, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by Maldini03
Pissbolah, so what if Henry and Trezeguet were top SCORERS in their respective leagues??? how many goals did they score for France in this past world cup??? Is it fair to give someone the Ballon D' Oro award if that player did not contribute for his country. Sure Henry won the English Premier but Trezeguet also won the scudetto...Vieri did not win jack crap last year... so he had a good world cup but DID NOT WIN IT. Ballack always ended up in SECOND place last year...in the German league, CL final, and WC final he deserves a worhty mention. Roberto Carlos put Maldini or Chivu in his place they would have won as MUCH or MORE with Real and Brazil. Ronaldo 7 out of 10 goals, makes history in this past world cup, wins the INTERcontinental cup and gets the MVP award. He is a WORTHY champion!!! No doubt about it!!!
Your arguments on the Ronaldo subject are so pathetic, I don't understand why you bring up Henry and Trezeguet but let me ask you something. What has Michael Owen (2001), Rivaldo(1999) or Hristo Stoitchkov (1994) won to get the Ballon d'Or player of the year award? Neither did they win a World Cup or the European Championship to win the Ballon d'Or, do your homework smart guy. You don't seem to understand that the players should bring good performances for 12 month (December to December) to earn such an award. Someone here looks REALLY stupid now. Take off the Ronaldo blinkers and pull your head out of your ass before you post.

Lurker
02-13-2003, 12:28 AM
Heskey is the best player eva!!! followed with diaof and diao

Lurker
02-13-2003, 12:34 AM
I don't like Ballack cos he is a ***king german Nazi

however Ballack did deserve something he played well in CL and even played while being injuried

I have always Idolized Ronaldo, since the day he joined Barcelona, and he is a very good fan of mine and interesting to watch however he does not deserve Fifa and European player of the year awards


The World Cup is every 4 years, tons of strikers works hard for their team to get into the World Cup, Ronaldo was out for a really long time and he did not play seasons by seasons therfore he does not deserve the trophy

I think Ballack deserve it, I don't like his nazi ass

Top 3 list of mine in England would be

1. Henry
2. van niterloory
3. danny murphy

The above post by me is a joke btw those 3 ***king players should quit Liverpool since they came Liverpool has flopped

I don't follow abroad football as much now

-Lurker

Maldini03
02-13-2003, 04:21 AM
The world cup was NOT PLAYED in 99, 00, nor in 2001 now was it??? A great example of this would be that croation who scored 6 goals in France 98. Davor Suker came in THIRD for FIFA player of the year why? because of his goals in WC 98, he didnt play for a big club he had WON CRAP he was a no body prior WC98 but because of his goals he got some recognition.

The same goes for Zidane sure he had won a Scudetto win Juventus but he was still not well known until the WC final in 98 when he scored those 2 goals against Brazil otherwise ZIDANE would not have WON CRAP!!!

RONALDO 8 GOALS, MVP and INTERCONTINENTAL winner, the best striker on earth!!! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ilcapitano
02-13-2003, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by Lurker
I don't like Ballack cos he is a ***king german Nazi

I have always Idolized Ronaldo, since the day he joined Barcelona, and he is a very good fan of mine

Liverfool fans...always so smart :rolleyes:
Well, he should fit in a thread that can already boast with such talents as ilfenomeno and maldini03.

Hizbollah
02-13-2003, 07:38 AM
Maldini03, it's obvious that your "arguments" went out. The Wold Cup six years ago where Italy and Brazil played in the final WAS played in 1994, you know who won the Ballon d'Or player of the year award in that year ('94)?? It was Hristo Stoitchkov, yes the Stoitchkov who was eliminated in the SEMI FINALS with Bulgaria against Italy and finished ONLY 4th losing the game for the 4th place 4-0 to Sweden. By the way, Baggio scored 2 goals against Stoitchkov's team to lead Italy to the finals and only lost the final unlucky on penaltys. Baggio was also the best player of the tournament beeing top scorer and played a great season with Juventus (not just one WC unlike Ronaldo in 2002). How do you explain that Stoitchkov won the Ballon d'Or player of the year award in '94 and Baggio was only voted second? The award doesn't make sense at all and same with your worthless arguments. You are looking more and more stupid with every post i make.

lili
02-13-2003, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by Maldini03
what's the matter azulcaca, are you still BITTER
that RONALDO LEFT barca...

I guess he knew better uh?

Barcelona what a JOKE of a club!!!

Maldini, I'll remind you on that in a few weeks. :rolleyes:
First rule in life: love your friends and respect your enemies, dude!:cool:

nerazzuri
02-13-2003, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by ilcapitano
Liverfool fans...always so smart :rolleyes:
true

Maldini03
02-13-2003, 01:12 PM
In 94 it was Stoickhov who led Bulgaria to their most succesful WC appearance ever. They were able to DEFEAT the almighty Germany. He also reached the Champions League final which he also lost to (PAOLO MALDINI and company) Hell Maldini in 94 won world soccer magazine player of the year. Romario won FIFA PLAYER OF THE YEAR (because of his world cup triumph) and also won eleven of GOLD.

Maldini was the best defender on earth in 94 and at least was awarderd.

Romario because of his world cup was awarded.


Stoickhov because of his great display and courage was awarded as well.


RONALDO because of his miracle comeback and World CUp DOMINATION, and Intercontinental triumph was awarded in 2002!!!

barça
02-13-2003, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by lili
Maldini, I'll remind you on that in a few weeks. :rolleyes:
First rule in life: love your friends and respect your enemies, dude!:cool:

Lilli, you give him to much credit, he has no idea what love or respect is.

For a man of such wisdom, the only thing left is insults.

:shocked:

Hizbollah
02-13-2003, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Maldini03
Is it fair to give someone the Ballon D' Oro award if that player did not contribute for his country. Ballack always ended up in SECOND place last year...in the German league, CL final, and WC final he deserves a worhty mention. In 94 it was Stoickhov who led Bulgaria to their most succesful WC appearance ever. They were able to DEFEAT the almighty Germany. He also reached the Champions League final which he also lost to (PAOLO MALDINI and company)
So Ballack did not contribute for his country? You posts reflect the lack of knowledge and your ignorance here and and you're just digging yourself into deeper holes with every post. Lets look back to the 2001/2002 season and compare.

Michael Ballack:

- Scored 17 goals and second most assists in the German
League (awesome record for a Midfielder i would say)
- Scored 5 goals in the German Cup (reached the Final)
- Scored another 6 goals in the Champions League to reach
the Finals with Leverkusen.
- Scored another 6 goals in the World Cup qualify games.
- Led his team to the World Cup Final scoring 4 goals (best
record for the WC Midfielders) and scored the decisive goal
in the Semis to put Germany there and couldn't play
because of the received yellow cards.
- Played around 80 GAMES in the Season 2001/2002

Now lets look at Ronaldo:

- Played one World Cup scoring 8 goals.

Does these statistiks tell you something Maldini03?
Did Ronaldo in 2002 or Stoitchkov in 1994 accomplish more than Ballack? I'm beggining to understand where your cracked vision comes from. Get real man, people who read you posts know that you have zero knowledge about the sport. Face reality, Ronaldo didn't deserve any of those awards in 2002. Ballack is just one of many examples that other players deserved it more than him, it's obvious that you're a Ronaldo nut hugger that doesn't want to accept the truth. You come up with a different shit everytime you get told and change the subject, but you look more and more pathetic (if it's possible) with every respond you make. Accept it, your Ronaldo myth has been broken.

lili
02-13-2003, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by barça
Lilli, you give him to much credit, he has no idea what love or respect is.

For a man of such wisdom, the only thing left is insults.

:shocked:

Barca, don't care. Most important, we know. :) ;)

Sebastian
02-13-2003, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by lili
Maldini, I'll remind you on that in a few weeks. :rolleyes:
First rule in life: love your friends and respect your enemies, dude!:cool:

.......really????
...i would say.......RESPECT you're FRIENDS......and love you're ENEMIES........:evil:........

.....cos when you love someone you IDEALISE him.......and by doing it.....you're exploring he's weaknesess......cos LOVE is a PARADOX........ENIGMA......lurn the weakness of you're PARTNER and you'll have an advantage........;)........it's the same with you're ENEMY......cos there is a fine line between HATRED and LOVE.......it's like the OCEAN and the beach.....:silly:.......to SWIM is to lay in the beach and vice versa.......you can not go in the watter without being properly fried.....:D.....
to LOVE is to HATE........and the other way......

............but the best saying for this situation.....with you're enemies....is............

HOW TO BE BETTER THAN YOU OPONENTS????HOW TO BEAT THEM????
BY BEING BETTER THAN YOU'RE ENEMIES...........in what????
IN EVERY ASPECT LITRALY.......................:p..........

Sebastian
02-13-2003, 03:23 PM
.....Maldini.......pal.......let me ask something.......can you proove to il fenomeno that BOBO isnt a fatt ass????
can you convince him that BOBO scores becose he's a damn good STRIKER......and not becouse he's lucky?????
hell this equate him with INZAGHI..........:rolleyes:.....:D.....

so that means you can do nothing here exept wasting you're arguments........

leave this Hisbollah.......there are a plenty of better discussions than this one.....you can write everything......and he'll just contadict with his miserably pathetic arguments........

just forget man........:rolleyes:......

Inter_Mania
02-17-2003, 05:11 AM
My top 5 strikers :

1. Christian Vieri
2. Ruud Van Nistelrooy
3. Thierry Henry
4. Shevchenko (a little)
5. Alan Shearer (I luv Newcastle too!!!)


Ronaldo? No way! He's a truelly sucker!!!

nerazzuri
02-17-2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Inter_Mania
Ronaldo? No way! He's a truelly sucker!!!
:rolleyes:

Sebastian
02-20-2003, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Inter_Mania

Ronaldo? No way! He's a truelly sucker!!!

....and SHEARER is a better striker than RONIE i supose????
..........:silly:.....hahaha......

The Rule
02-20-2003, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Lurker
Heskey is the best player eva!!! followed with diaof and diao

You should learn the names of our players.

The Rule
02-20-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Lurker
I don't like Ballack cos he is a ***king german Nazi

however Ballack did deserve something he played well in CL and even played while being injuried

I have always Idolized Ronaldo, since the day he joined Barcelona, and he is a very good fan of mine and interesting to watch however he does not deserve Fifa and European player of the year awards


The World Cup is every 4 years, tons of strikers works hard for their team to get into the World Cup, Ronaldo was out for a really long time and he did not play seasons by seasons therfore he does not deserve the trophy

I think Ballack deserve it, I don't like his nazi ass

Top 3 list of mine in England would be

1. Henry
2. van niterloory
3. danny murphy

The above post by me is a joke btw those 3 ***king players should quit Liverpool since they came Liverpool has flopped

I don't follow abroad football as much now

-Lurker

I denounce you as a Liverpool fan due to your racist comments and lack of intelligence.

1.Ronaldo is a fan of yours??are you famous??
2.It's VAN NISTELROOY
3.Since when has Danny Murphy been a striker?

The Rule
02-20-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by eLcino
....and SHEARER is a better striker than RONIE i supose????
..........:silly:.....hahaha......

at the moment he is playing better than Ronie

The Rule
02-20-2003, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Maldini03
The world cup was NOT PLAYED in 99, 00, nor in 2001 now was it??? A great example of this would be that croation who scored 6 goals in France 98. Davor Suker came in THIRD for FIFA player of the year why? because of his goals in WC 98, he didnt play for a big club he had WON CRAP he was a no body prior WC98 but because of his goals he got some recognition.

The same goes for Zidane sure he had won a Scudetto win Juventus but he was still not well known until the WC final in 98 when he scored those 2 goals against Brazil otherwise ZIDANE would not have WON CRAP!!!

RONALDO 8 GOALS, MVP and INTERCONTINENTAL winner, the best striker on earth!!! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What an idiot, Zidane was very well known before the WC in 1998, he was the star player at Juventus.

Suker wasn't known??he was playing for Real Madrid, he was one of the top strikers in Europe.

and your third paragraph is just more of your usual drivel and doesn't merit response

The Rule
02-20-2003, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by ilcapitano
1.Liverfool fans...always so smart :rolleyes:

2.Well, he should fit in a thread that can already boast with such talents as ilfenomeno and maldini03.

1.listen here, don't even start taring us all with his brush ;)

2.true

barça
02-20-2003, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by The Rule
What an idiot, Zidane was very well known before the WC in 1998, he was the star player at Juventus.

Suker wasn't known??he was playing for Real Madrid, he was one of the top strikers in Europe.


Rule, don't you understand that they are not known to him because he doesn't know the game.

I bet if it wasn't for Nike, he wouldn't know who Ronaldo is.

The Rule
02-20-2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by barça
Rule, don't you understand that they are not known to him because he doesn't know the game.

I bet if it wasn't for Nike, he wouldn't know who Ronaldo is.

yeah i suppose you are right.

Maldini03
02-20-2003, 08:46 PM
What an idiot, Zidane was very well known before the WC in 1998, he was the star player at Juventus.
Suker wasn't known??he was playing for Real Madrid, he was one of the top strikers in Europe.


Neither of these 2 a$$clowns were MEGA STARS after the world cup all of the sudden their FAME SKY ROCKETED!!!

SUCKER'S career is nonexistent just like you sexual life theprude!!!

Only ZIDANE remains on top as the best AM in the game. However, RONALDO is the BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME PERIOD!!!

Sebastian
02-20-2003, 08:56 PM
....RONALDO qwill ruin RAUL'S career...:silly:......i didnt met a REAL fan who doesnt hate RONIE............hahahah.........i can bett that RAUL dreams abut him all the time......he's RAUL'S worst nightmare.........

Hizbollah
02-21-2003, 12:02 AM
Noone understands where Maldini03's cracked football visions come from. Argueing with him is like kicking a dog that keeps coming back. Reminds me of an ex-girlfriend from many years ago, lol.

Severus
02-21-2003, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by The Rule
What an idiot, Zidane was very well known before the WC in 1998, he was the star player at Juventus.

Suker wasn't known??he was playing for Real Madrid, he was one of the top strikers in Europe.

WOOH, i thought you were talking about hakan for a second my bad :p

regarding zidane though, he wasn't THE star player at juve del piero was. because if i recall correctly, he came off a poor season with juve the year leading up to the WC. he obviously had bigger fish to fry in the summer as was seen evidently by the world and he was a superstar already by then make no mistake about it. maldini03 has just been tokin' too many reefers or he wasn't following futbol then. but to say he was "da man" would be inaccurate.

Hizbollah
02-21-2003, 05:59 AM
regarding zidane though, he wasn't THE star player at juve del piero was. because if i recall correctly, he came off a poor season with juve the year leading up to the WC. Zidane won the Scudetto with Juve twice in a row in the season 1996/97 and 1997/98 and reached the Champions League Finals twice in a row in '97 and '98, you're wrong.
He was already one of the best Midfielders in Europe when he arrived from Bordeaux. The WC '98 just confirmed his abilities.

VivaBarcaInter
02-21-2003, 02:47 PM
But Zidane only performed in one game during that tournament. And even then he scored 2 goals with his head, something he'll never do again!

Sebastian
02-21-2003, 04:23 PM
....oh they put a psichological preassure to BRASIL players......they woke up them in the hotel in the late hours.....and cheap stuff like that....fr'instance....RONALDO suffered an EPILIPTIC atack........it was terrible......whatever that was in the FINALS it wasnt RONALDO..........FRANCE is ridiculous........they embarassed them selfs in the OWLRD CUP........+the recent ass kick in FRANCE.........:evil:.........

Severus
02-21-2003, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Hizbollah
Zidane won the Scudetto with Juve twice in a row in the season 1996/97 and 1997/98 and reached the Champions League Finals twice in a row in '97 and '98, you're wrong.
He was already one of the best Midfielders in Europe when he arrived from Bordeaux. The WC '98 just confirmed his abilities.

you see, one can tell right away you have no idea what you're saying primarily because it was common knowledge in torino and all of italy that zidane ALWAYS saved his better performances for his NT. before the WC and after. ask any juventino who follows the team religiously and i guarantee you they wont tell you anything different. del piero on the other hand is the opposite therefore you are wrong.

zidane became "da man" on juve after del piero injured himself. but even then he still didn't win anything without him.

del piero has though, didn't he win something pretty significant last year ? i think he did anyway.

Romanista10
02-21-2003, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by Severus
you see, one can tell right away you have no idea what you're saying primarily because it was common knowledge in torino and all of italy that zidane ALWAYS saved his better performances for his NT. before the WC and after. ask any juventino who follows the team religiously and i guarantee you they wont tell you anything different. del piero on the other hand is the opposite therefore you are wrong.

zidane became "da man" on juve after del piero injured himself. but even then he still didn't win anything without him.

del piero has though, didn't he win something pretty significant last year ? i think he did anyway.


I agree there.....one of best friends is a die hard tifoso of juventus and he feels the same way. The French NT Zidane was always better than the juventus Zidane.

nerazzuri
02-22-2003, 01:51 AM
Ruud backs Italian strikers
Manchester United striker Ruud Van Nistelrooy says the best strikers in the world have all played in Italy. "For me the best four are Thierry Henry (former Juventus), Christian Vieri (Inter), Filippo Inzaghi (Milan) and Hernan Crespo (Inter)," he said.

Hizbollah
02-22-2003, 01:54 AM
you have no idea what you're saying primarily because it was common knowledge in torino and all of italy that zidane ALWAYS saved his better performances for his NT. before the WC and after. zidane became "da man" on juve after del piero injured himself. but even then he still didn't win anything without him.
Your facts are totally wrong. Zidane was a top player since he joined Juve and saying that he only performed well in the NT is stupid. Del Piero was injured for over a year and it was Zidane, Davids and Inzaghi who carried the team pretty much on their own for for a long time while Del Piero played a poor season for Turin when he returned.
del piero on the other hand is the opposite therefore you are wrong.
Opposite? Del Piero played a average World Cup with Italy in '98 and a poor Euro 2000. He only showed his full potential at Juve, not in the NT so far. At the last Worlc Cup he was even benched mostly. You are the one whos wrong.

BLAUGRANA
02-22-2003, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by nerazzuri
Ruud backs Italian strikers
Manchester United striker Ruud Van Nistelrooy says the best strikers in the world have all played in Italy. "For me the best four are Thierry Henry (former Juventus), Christian Vieri (Inter), Filippo Inzaghi (Milan) and Hernan Crespo (Inter)," he said.

Only problem is that Ruud forgot about himself. IMO, he's the best in the biz. I'd love to have Ruud on my team.

Severus
02-22-2003, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Hizbollah
Your facts are totally wrong. Zidane was a top player since he joined Juve and saying that he only performed well in the NT is stupid. Del Piero was injured for over a year and it was Zidane, Davids and Inzaghi who carried the team pretty much on their own for for a long time while Del Piero played a poor season for Turin when he returned.

Opposite? Del Piero played a average World Cup with Italy in '98 and a poor Euro 2000. He only showed his full potential at Juve, not in the NT so far. At the last Worlc Cup he was even benched mostly. You are the one whos wrong.

ma are you reading what i am saying ?????? i am saying del piero saved his better performances for JUVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as for del piero's poor seasons, weren't they after they world cup which is what i am trying to convey to you ???

read much :confused:

BLAUGRANA
02-22-2003, 06:30 PM
I think Henry is also one of the best out there. IMO, top 4 in no particular order are:

RVN
Henry
Raul
Vieri

Picking a fifth is tough though.

Sebastian
02-23-2003, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Hizbollah
Your facts are totally wrong. Zidane was a top player since he joined Juve and saying that he only performed well in the NT is stupid. Del Piero was injured for over a year and it was Zidane, Davids and Inzaghi who carried the team pretty much on their own for for a long time while Del Piero played a poor season for Turin when he returned.

Opposite? Del Piero played a average World Cup with Italy in '98 and a poor Euro 2000. He only showed his full potential at Juve, not in the NT so far. At the last Worlc Cup he was even benched mostly. You are the one whos wrong.

.....:confused:.........you're arguments are pointless.......like many of us i thoght that after ZIDANE'S departure JUVE will sink.......but what happened???they won the scudetto(with a litlLe help from INTER)and at the moment they're in some HYPER euphoria that canot be denied....+in C.LEAGUE they allmost thrashed MANCHESTER.....with the youth team....and it looked like they needed VERON more than JUVE needed their starting eleven...even without DEL PIERO....so what's you're point...if there was him they would've probably win....when ZIDANE played his last C.L with JUVE they were eliminated from PANATHANAIKOS.....ZIZU was so frustrated that he couldnt even fart he was so predictable and in the end he colapsed while broking oponent's nose......:rolleyes:...that is a proove that he couldnt push any more in JUVE....we thought that he needed a change but that was becouse he felt that he's becoming DEL PIERO'S shade....he knew who's the boss.....like the curent RONALDO situation in REAL.........he thought that he'll be NO 1 in REAL.......but he was dead wrong........RAUL is they're SAINT there....and that silly moment where the FIFA awarded him with the GOLDEN ball while REAL fans were SINGIN you know who's name.......:evil:..........and now..."i want to go in ARSENAL"what a moron.....he's the best striker allright....but he's character isnt diferent from a15 year old puberty skin head.......

and look at this.....

"Opposite? Del Piero played a average World Cup with Italy in '98 and a poor Euro 2000. He only showed his full potential at Juve, not in the NT so far. At the last Worlc Cup he was even benched mostly. You are the one whos wrong."

read this again and tell me that it isnt PATHETIC.....:rolleyes:.......
at the last WORLD cup he was benched......i still think that replacing DEL PIERO'S 10 with TOTTI is not a big mistake........but the fact that he was benched srewed ITALI'S chanses.....he should've played along BOBO.......that was a perfect combination......instead of playing that IRRACIONAL imbecil INZAGHI......i was so desapointed that DEL PIERO didnt got a chanse.........you blame him for being benched???this suppose to be an ARGUMENT?????
you are ridiculous.......
so that prooved that we're the ones who are WRONG.............:confused:..........
you should really talk to some JUVENTINO in person.......or with some competent individual who has a healthy football INTELECT......are you wacthing football.....Hizbollah......or someone tells you BED TIME stories......how quite.......

Severus
02-23-2003, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by eLcino
.....:confused:.........you're arguments are pointless.......like many of us i thoght that after ZIDANE'S departure JUVE will sink.......but what happened???they won the scudetto(with a litlLe help from INTER)and at the moment they're in some HYPER euphoria that canot be denied....+in C.LEAGUE they allmost thrashed MANCHESTER.....with the youth team....and it looked like they needed VERON more than JUVE needed their starting eleven...even without DEL PIERO....so what's you're point...if there was him they would've probably win....when ZIDANE played his last C.L with JUVE they were eliminated from PANATHANAIKOS.....ZIZU was so frustrated that he couldnt even fart he was so predictable and in the end he colapsed while broking oponent's nose......:rolleyes:...that is a proove that he couldnt push any more in JUVE....we thought that he needed a change but that was becouse he felt that he's becoming DEL PIERO'S shade....he knew who's the boss.....like the curent RONALDO situation in REAL.........he thought that he'll be NO 1 in REAL.......but he was dead wrong........RAUL is they're SAINT there....and that silly moment where the FIFA awarded him with the GOLDEN ball while REAL fans were SINGIN you know who's name.......:evil:..........and now..."i want to go in ARSENAL"what a moron.....he's the best striker allright....but he's character isnt diferent from a15 year old puberty skin head.......

and look at this.....

"Opposite? Del Piero played a average World Cup with Italy in '98 and a poor Euro 2000. He only showed his full potential at Juve, not in the NT so far. At the last Worlc Cup he was even benched mostly. You are the one whos wrong."

read this again and tell me that it isnt PATHETIC.....:rolleyes:.......
at the last WORLD cup he was benched......i still think that replacing DEL PIERO'S 10 with TOTTI is not a big mistake........but the fact that he was benched srewed ITALI'S chanses.....he should've played along BOBO.......that was a perfect combination......instead of playing that IRRACIONAL imbecil INZAGHI......i was so desapointed that DEL PIERO didnt got a chanse.........you blame him for being benched???this suppose to be an ARGUMENT?????
you are ridiculous.......
so that prooved that we're the ones who are WRONG.............:confused:..........
you should really talk to some JUVENTINO in person.......or with some competent individual who has a healthy football INTELECT......are you wacthing football.....Hizbollah......or someone tells you BED TIME stories......how quite.......

OUCH !!!!!!

poor hizbollah, how bad can it be when elcino's schooling you.

very nicely said elcino :thumbsup:

and congratulations, it only took you almost 2 years to submit a sensible post.

Sebastian
02-23-2003, 04:26 PM
.........that's becouse it's too apstract for you........so it needs to be a litlle bit diggested for the "good" old severus......
......hey you know what.........a compliment from you is a HUGE insolt for me.....seriosly.....that's the only wayyyyyy when i can be offended.......

Hizbollah
02-23-2003, 05:26 PM
eLcino, you should avoid using such foolish logic in judging players, remarks like that prove on what kind of low mentally challenged level you communicate.
You should read my post more carefully before making such ridiculous attention grabbing statements.
All I pointed out was that Zidane did not only perform well in the NT but also at Juve. It's right that he played at his best in the french NT but some people here forget too quick. He played a major role in Juve's Scudetto wins and their CL- Final achievement in '97 and '98.
When Del Piero returned after his injury he played a very poor season for someone of his demand and was criticised for a long time and his NT accomplishment so far were really humble.
Everyone expected a good WC '98 but he disappoint while Vieri carried the NT to the Quarters with his 5 goals. In the Euro 2000 (poor shape) and WC '02 he wasn't even a starter. All I'm saying is that he hasn't shown his full potential in the NT so far, so stop being a such a crying little bitch about it.

Hizbollah
02-23-2003, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Severus
OUCH !!!!!!poor hizbollah, how bad can it be when elcino's schooling you.
About what kind of schooling are you talkin about? Schooling in stupidity and cluelessness about football?

Severus
02-24-2003, 04:03 AM
whatever schooling it was, he took you there.

as for your new and improved assessment of juve 96-98 why couldn't you concede that with me ? no guff zidane was fundamental !!! who in the hell ever said he wasn't ??? all i am saying is that despite how wonderfully zidane played for juve, it was ALWAYS del piero's team and this was clearly evident just by judging their efforts. now make no mistake about it, when del piero injured himself zidane took the team on his shoulders like a leader should do and did all he could with a defensive coach in ancelotti, 2 defensive mids on either side in davids and tacchi and one uncoordinated diving ballerina in phil inzaghi up front. yet we were still very close in making it to the finals for a 4th consecutive time in 99. i'll never forget his inspiring form that year coming off the WC championship. but one thing you have to realize is that just like no frenchman will ever outperform zidane on HIS NT. likewise must be said for alex del piero and juventus. he's there heart and soul and proved that juve can still win without zidane.

whereas it couldn't be done without il capitano bianconero though. FACT.

nene
02-24-2003, 10:40 AM
Of course, these are not the best Strikers in the world but they could be:


-Djibril Cisse
-Wayne Rooney
-Wesley Sonck
-Zlatan Ibrahimovic
-Javier Portillo

nerazzuri
02-24-2003, 11:11 AM
u forgot adriano

nene
02-24-2003, 01:45 PM
Youre Right, Adriano is also a great talented youth player.

nerazzuri
02-24-2003, 02:19 PM
martins

Hizbollah
02-24-2003, 04:39 PM
Severus get real man. You have no point here at all. Read my posts from this thread more exact before making such stupid and wrong imputations. You and your newbie buddy elcino are wide off the mark on this issue. Noone here questioned Del Piero's Juve-status. All I pointed out was that Zidane did not only perform well in the NT but also reached great accomplishments in Turin as well. Your Juventus fanaticism is truly clouding your head big time. As long as you don't dispute any of my posts you should step back off your obviously ridiculous attention grabbing statements.

The Rule
02-24-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Severus
WOOH, i thought you were talking about hakan for a second my bad :p

regarding zidane though, he wasn't THE star player at juve del piero was. because if i recall correctly, he came off a poor season with juve the year leading up to the WC. he obviously had bigger fish to fry in the summer as was seen evidently by the world and he was a superstar already by then make no mistake about it. maldini03 has just been tokin' too many reefers or he wasn't following futbol then. but to say he was "da man" would be inaccurate.

IMO Del Piero had reached GOD status at Juve by then and was no longer regarded as a normal player, a bit like Raul at Real.

The Rule
02-24-2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by Maldini03
Neither of these 2 a$$clowns were MEGA STARS after the world cup all of the sudden their FAME SKY ROCKETED!!!

SUCKER'S career is nonexistent just like you sexual life theprude!!!

Only ZIDANE remains on top as the best AM in the game. However, RONALDO is the BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME PERIOD!!!

Yeah Ronaldo is better than Zidane :rolleyes: good lad

Suker was one of the best strikers in Europe since his 18 goals in19 games to start his international career and then he scored "that" goal against Denmark in Euro 1996.

You are an idiot,Suker's career went into decline after 1998

Sebastian
02-26-2003, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by The Rule
IMO Del Piero had reached GOD status at Juve by then and was no longer regarded as a normal player, a bit like Raul at Real.


yeah you might say that those are the nly two players that are absolutely untouchable.....

The Rule
02-28-2003, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by eLcino
yeah you might say that those are the nly two players that are absolutely untouchable.....

exactly, although i suppose Totti might come close to being untouchable as well

Sebastian
02-28-2003, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by The Rule
exactly, although i suppose Totti might come close to being untouchable as well

.....i dont know about him....it depends from the team that he represents......ROMA cant possibly meassure with JUVE and aspecially not with REAL........although they consider hyim as a saint........bet tell you what....RONALDO was untouchable in INTER........and FIGO from BARCA to REAL?????
when FIGO transfer occured.....i dont think that anyone believed in that....when FGI went from BARCA to REAL....than anything is possible.....but is stillk consider RAUL as maybe tho only untouchable player on the transfer market..........JUVE Are atacjed to DEL PIERO....but they sold ZIDANE.....HENRY...and BOBO.....at their PRIME.......only DEL PIERO something like a MASKOTE in TORINO.....yeah we may consider him as untrasferable.......;).......as for TOTTI.......i dont know....he said by him self.........i dont expect a GOLDEN ball.........award while im in ROMA......where an UNFASHIONABLE stile of football is played.........:evil:......this surelly is a sparkling.........:D........

Sebastian
01-03-2004, 04:07 PM
...ok it's time about this one....this is quite actuel and atractive discussion....who are the best universal strikers on the planet???we're not talking about a classical striker....but for someone who can create his own goal chanse...


the first for me is RONALDO....he's perfect....and awesome in all aspects.....

the second is HENRY....he's extremely impressive....

the third one is ADRIANO.....my favorite....:smoking:....not becouse he's an INTER player...the senior members here remember my comments about him even before he arrived in INTER....

forth...is SHEVCHENKO....:evil:....

and the fifth....KLIVERT....:silly:...im kiddin....:ronaldo:.....NISTELROOY

i like TOTTI but he's more of a play maker than a striker....;)....

GiorgioII
01-04-2004, 11:30 AM
Here are mine:
1.HENRY: He has it all and influences the outcome of a game more than any other striker in the world, Arsenal would not survive without him.
2.RONALDO: Same as above really except Real could cope without him.
3. ADRIANO: One of my favourite strikers at the mo. Whenever I see him I am amazed at his combination of power, pace and skill.
4. RAUL: Not as clinical as some, but deadly in terms of vision and skill. I really like his style of play but it is difficult to describe why.
5. SHEVCHENKO: Nearly the complete striker. Scores all sorts of goals but they never look scrappy.
6. VIERI: Sorry I had to have a 6th! He may not be pretty but I had to include him for the fact that he has been saving our asses for 5 years now.

nismo
01-04-2004, 01:31 PM
My one is in no particular order
Vieri
Ronaldo
Henry
RVN
Sheva

Sebastian
01-05-2004, 06:13 PM
Gorgiothe second....:silly:....:)....i ike you're clasification...exept one thing...you should've placed RONIE ahead of HENRY.....the guy is better on every apspect than HENRY....on individual and on team's level...:evil:....HENRY can only dream of RONALDO'S acheavments...perhaps he has the world title...as RONIE but there's lot of awards and titles that he'll newer own...:p...:silly:....

nismo...you let you're emotions to interfire with the rational calculating....:ronaldo:.....C'mon...BOBO the best???....when il fenomeno sees this you're gonna be in some deep shit......:D.....

Zek
01-06-2004, 05:11 AM
Gorgiothe second....:silly:....:)....i ike you're clasification...exept one thing...you should've placed RONIE ahead of HENRY.....the guy is better on every apspect than HENRY....on individual and on team's level...:evil:....HENRY can only dream of RONALDO'S acheavments...perhaps he has the world title...as RONIE but there's lot of awards and titles that he'll newer own...:p...:silly:....

nismo...you let you're emotions to interfire with the rational calculating....:ronaldo:.....C'mon...BOBO the best???....when il fenomeno sees this you're gonna be in some deep shit......:D.....

oh come on man at the moment Henry is better than Ronaldo! He's way better team player, very pacey and hard working. If I am a manager and have to choose between those two I would always go for Henry since he'll be more useful for the team.

I don't trust achievements in the modern world.

GiorgioII
01-06-2004, 11:42 AM
Sorry elcino but I agree with Zek, that's why I chose Henry ahead of Ronaldo. And like I said Henry is so influential Arsenal would struggle to cope without him. Whereas Real is a team full of superstars that would still win CL without him ( and a few new defenders! ).

nismo
01-06-2004, 02:25 PM
Gorgiothe second....:silly:....:)....i ike you're clasification...exept one thing...you should've placed RONIE ahead of HENRY.....the guy is better on every apspect than HENRY....on individual and on team's level...:evil:....HENRY can only dream of RONALDO'S acheavments...perhaps he has the world title...as RONIE but there's lot of awards and titles that he'll newer own...:p...:silly:....

nismo...you let you're emotions to interfire with the rational calculating....:ronaldo:.....C'mon...BOBO the best???....when il fenomeno sees this you're gonna be in some deep shit......:D.....
I said my one was in no particular order :D That way I can avoid arguements ;)

Sebastian
01-07-2004, 02:46 PM
...you know if RONALDO would've still been an INTERISTA....i can bett that every one of you would placed RONIE on the No1 possition.....;)......there's no way the HENRY can be parallel with RONIE......:evil:....

...nismo...:silly:...perhaps BOBO isnt the best striker...but he's the only one that is literally crowned.....:silly:...:smoking:.....

GiorgioII
01-07-2004, 04:40 PM
No! Did you see the way that Henry single-handedly destroyed us, he does this week in week out for Arsenal in the EPL.

r9mania
01-08-2004, 01:28 AM
In general, I agree with Nismo that Ronaldo is #1 striker ahead of Henry, Nistelrooy, Sheva, and Raul. I said ... "in general" because Ronaldo is indeed a proven worldclass striker at big events: WC, CL and important games against big teams.

However I also agree with GiorgioII and Zek that Henry is the hottest and most completed forward among all: pace, shots, dribles, pass and freekicks. The only reason I placed him behind Ronaldo is that Ronaldo proved and scored goals everywhere he went from small teams to big ones: Cruzeiro, PSV to Barca, Inter and Real. Whilst Henry was just developped last couple of years at Arsenal (he failed at Juve).

But we all will hope and watch out as Henry will become the best player sooner.


No! Did you see the way that Henry single-handedly destroyed us, he does this week in week out for Arsenal in the EPL.

Zek
01-08-2004, 05:34 AM
Yes Ronaldo was scoring for PSV-dutch champs; Barca-Spanish champs, Inter-slip up (he should have scored many more for Inter), Real madrid- Galacticos! Yes, he's a big scorer but he also had slip ups.

Henry in Juventus is the same as Rivaldo in Milan - I mean no one can say Rivaldo isn't one of the best cauz he failed in Milan. That's just normal ups and downs in player's career.

If we look on impact that a player creates on the pitch then I think Henry is better now than Ronaldo; also Sheva this season brings in an amazing performance, he makes a big difference for Milan this season.

The highest impact I've ever seen during the last 10 years was probably Rivaldo at Barca, he was half of the team there especially when Figo was gone; also Figo was making an unbelievable difference at Barca and Bati for Fiorentina.

Sebastian
01-09-2004, 04:31 PM
...HENRY destroyed us????we destroyed our selvs.....:rolleyes:...the change of the coach allways pays it's due....at least we've scored a goal....if we were destroyed than what about that match on highbery???he couldnt even score a penalty kick....that can happen to anyone...but they completely lost it....our teams coordination wasnt good becouse ARSENAL isnt LECCE or BRESCIA it's not easyto beat them right after you've entered in the club....and let me tell you something MATERAZZI was fauled in the penalty area....which injured him severely....it should've been a clear penalty and right after that they've scored a goal....RONALDO isnt shooting free kicks cos REAL has the best on the planet for that...when HENRY couldnt even find the goal in JUVENTUS RONALDO has allready won his GOLDEN BALL...:smoking:.....HENRY is cool....probably the second greatest striker...but he isnt RONALDO...RONIE will score a shit load of goals this season...there's no doubt about that...HENRY wills core too...but all you have to see is watch their goals....in what kind of stile they're scored and you'll have the picture....:evil:.....HENRY is in form right now...but so is RONIE.....RONALDO can be off form and he'll still be nominated as a third or secod best player in the world....he's a real PHENOMENON....:smoking:......

nismo
01-10-2004, 10:25 AM
In general, I agree with Nismo that Ronaldo is #1 striker ahead of Henry, Nistelrooy, Sheva, and Raul. I said ... "in general" because Ronaldo is indeed a proven worldclass striker at big events: WC, CL and important games against big teams.

However I also agree with GiorgioII and Zek that Henry is the hottest and most completed forward among all: pace, shots, dribles, pass and freekicks. The only reason I placed him behind Ronaldo is that Ronaldo proved and scored goals everywhere he went from small teams to big ones: Cruzeiro, PSV to Barca, Inter and Real. Whilst Henry was just developped last couple of years at Arsenal (he failed at Juve).

But we all will hope and watch out as Henry will become the best player sooner.
I said mine wasn't in any particular order!!!!!

But elcino, I have to say Henry carries his club more than Ronaldo does. Even when ronie was at Inter, he wasn't like a Pele or Maradona where he would guide us. Henry is more of a 1 team player while Ronaldo is just 100% striker.

CV32 Top Ah Top
01-10-2004, 12:10 PM
The scoreline was devastating but Inter owned Arsenal throughout the whole game till they scored their 3rd goal...........secondly, Henry's goal that made it 2-1 was invalid as you can see he was offside...........which does makes a difference when your up 2-1......JUST REMEMBER INTER ARE THE LIONS OF LONDON, WE OWN YOU ARSENAL, LIKE WE OWN IPSWICH,LIVERPOOL,AND NEWCASTLE........MAN U IS NEXT!!!


Top 5 strikers


1. C.Vieri
2.A.Shevchenko
3. Raul
4. Ronaldo
5. Totti

Sebastian
01-10-2004, 03:47 PM
I said mine wasn't in any particular order!!!!!

But elcino, I have to say Henry carries his club more than Ronaldo does. Even when ronie was at Inter, he wasn't like a Pele or Maradona where he would guide us. Henry is more of a 1 team player while Ronaldo is just 100% striker.

HENRY has more work with ARSENAL that's true...but the fact that he didnt suceeded in the calcio makes me a litlle bit reserved about my kompliments for him....+ EMP is parsecks behind ITALY who once again is the best lague in the world...with 1.180 points ahead of la LIGA who has 1.150...and with curent HORSE POWER that JUVE and MILAN has i doubt that will drop bihind....:evil:...HENRY did everything that could do...and he wasnt ellected as the best player....he will newer acheave the greatness and the stratospherical CHARISMA that created the nick PHENOMENON for RONIE.....;).....

Sebastian
01-10-2004, 03:52 PM
The scoreline was devastating but Inter owned Arsenal throughout the whole game till they scored their 3rd goal...........secondly, Henry's goal that made it 2-1 was invalid as you can see he was offside...........which does makes a difference when your up 2-1......JUST REMEMBER INTER ARE THE LIONS OF LONDON, WE OWN YOU ARSENAL, LIKE WE OWN IPSWICH,LIVERPOOL,AND NEWCASTLE........MAN U IS NEXT!!!


Top 5 strikers


1. C.Vieri
2.A.Shevchenko
3. Raul
4. Ronaldo
5. Totti

...that one world be great...M.UNITED....but we'll have to wait till the next season...:evil:....they will fall sooner or latter...and as for ARSENAL INTER is better team than they are...in the summer INTER will increase their ARSENAL of world class ass kickers....and if by any chanse we face those english dudes they'll be disintegrated like 2003 season...:evil:....there's o doubt that next season in the C.LEAGUE INTER will be a huge title contender....

Slavenik
01-10-2004, 04:49 PM
1.Ronaldo
2.Totti
3.Henry
4.Sheva
5.Vieri

This is how i would rate the top 5

GiorgioII
01-11-2004, 09:03 AM
HENRY has more work with ARSENAL that's true...but the fact that he didnt suceeded in the calcio makes me a litlle bit reserved about my kompliments for him....+ EMP is parsecks behind ITALY who once again is the best lague in the world...with 1.180 points ahead of la LIGA who has 1.150...and with curent HORSE POWER that JUVE and MILAN has i doubt that will drop bihind....:evil:...HENRY did everything that could do...and he wasnt ellected as the best player....he will newer acheave the greatness and the stratospherical CHARISMA that created the nick PHENOMENON for RONIE.....;).....
Henry played on the wing at Juventus! You can't say he wouldn't have suceede if he had played up front.

Sebastian
01-11-2004, 05:09 PM
...he has the creativity....so what's the problem...he was still extremely offansive left winger...but it was the season 96 and JUVE had awesome striker...the fact that LIPPI played him on the left wing speaks that he saw HENRY'S talent and gave him chanse....but HENRY is afrght from the calcio...i doubt that he'll return here...and the seria A isnt the only aspect where RONALDO is better than HENRY....what RONIE created throughout his carrer is unreachable...even now...his goals and driblings are unmatched....

nismo
01-13-2004, 10:51 AM
...he has the creativity....so what's the problem...he was still extremely offansive left winger...but it was the season 96 and JUVE had awesome striker...the fact that LIPPI played him on the left wing speaks that he saw HENRY'S talent and gave him chanse....but HENRY is afrght from the calcio...i doubt that he'll return here...and the seria A isnt the only aspect where RONALDO is better than HENRY....what RONIE created throughout his carrer is unreachable...even now...his goals and driblings are unmatched....
Didn't henry arrive at Juve after France 98 in the season 98/99??
Lippi gave Henry the LW position because he thought it suited his characteristics, fast speed, good dribbling, except he never thought about trying him out as a centre forward. The analogy wih Recoba can also be compared, when Cuper tried him out everywhere. Now we know Henry's best position is striker and I don't think you can compare Henry's time as a LW in Serie A against Ronaldo's time as a striker, because both are different roles. We'll never see Henry play in Serie A as a striker but I bet if he came to Serie A again he would be devastating as evidenced in the CL games he's played against Serie A teams.

Sebastian
01-14-2004, 05:58 PM
....RECOBA is a bit of apstract player....no one can really tell what is his natural possition...:confused:...but he's damn usefull....HENRY on the other hand is a universal and a prototipe of a striker....REAL will go for him there's no doubt about that.....:evil:....whic'll return RONALDO back...you know where....:evil:....

Zek
01-15-2004, 06:17 AM
Didn't henry arrive at Juve after France 98 in the season 98/99??
Lippi gave Henry the LW position because he thought it suited his characteristics, fast speed, good dribbling, except he never thought about trying him out as a centre forward. The analogy wih Recoba can also be compared, when Cuper tried him out everywhere. Now we know Henry's best position is striker and I don't think you can compare Henry's time as a LW in Serie A against Ronaldo's time as a striker, because both are different roles. We'll never see Henry play in Serie A as a striker but I bet if he came to Serie A again he would be devastating as evidenced in the CL games he's played against Serie A teams.

yeah he will be devastating in Seria A now, he has the character to survive.

Elcino: do you really think that Ronnie shall be back :mad2: He's past and he's not the one we need. I don't want to see him back in INter. But will enjoy seeing him shown the door at Real Madrid when some megastar like Henry or Nistelroy arrives there :evil:

ItalianBoy
01-15-2004, 06:30 AM
Juve ***ked big as far as Henry goes. They had him and I always knew he was good but Lippi used him very few times.
Recoba is a left striker.
Thats it.

nerazzuri
01-15-2004, 07:13 AM
yeah he will be devastating in Seria A now, he has the character to survive.

Elcino: do you really think that Ronnie shall be back :mad2: He's past and he's not the one we need. I don't want to see him back in INter. But will enjoy seeing him shown the door at Real Madrid when some megastar like Henry or Nistelroy arrives there :evil:
i would love to see ronaldo back at the san siro :heart: :D. i know that he'll never go back to his barca days but my heart says something different, i still love the guy and i still hope for him to come back and play for us and repay moratti & us fans

nismo
01-15-2004, 08:57 AM
One thing for sure, is Henry will cost Real more than what they paid for Ronaldo.

Sebastian
01-15-2004, 03:25 PM
....yeah...but RONALDO was desperate to leave INTER that's why MORATTI lowered his price....cos you know he was on the top of the world when he left us....:rolleyes:...but that'll make it easier for us....the 10 mil euros will be considered in the transfer.....;)....

GiorgioII
01-15-2004, 08:48 PM
Considering the 10 million euros, how much do you think he will cost us, considering Real want a new striker and Ronaldo wants to return home?

r9mania
01-17-2004, 06:42 AM
You're right that Ronaldo transfer price was not "top price" when he was demanded to leave for Real. However, consider the 45mils Euros for an "unknown" knee injured player like Ronaldo is A LOT of money. Imangine if Ronaldo did not have 2 surgeries at same knee (big risk for any club) you know ... how much he will cost???

Anyway, even Real will buy Henry next year, I do not think Real would want to release Ronaldo (unless he wants to leave). Henry is more completed player: 0.63goals/game + assists. But Real do not need players for assists. They have ZZ, Figo Beck Raul and Carlos. All they need is a good finisher and that is Ronaldo. Ronaldo is still the best scorer by his scoring rate (>0.8goals/game)

....yeah...but RONALDO was desperate to leave INTER that's why MORATTI lowered his price....cos you know he was on the top of the world when he left us....:rolleyes:...but that'll make it easier for us....the 10 mil euros will be considered in the transfer.....;)....

nismo
01-19-2004, 10:33 AM
Considering the 10 million euros, how much do you think he will cost us, considering Real want a new striker and Ronaldo wants to return home?
I think it could depend on the circumstances on how badly does Ronaldo want to comeback. Or Real could try and screw us and get as much for him as possible.

Zek
01-19-2004, 11:5