Are the "mighty"Gunners a one man team?

[The Rule]

Ok folks, i want your opinions on this.

Having watched the Gunners come to our place last night and supposedly give us a lesson, i've come to the conclusion that without Henry they would be in big trouble.

No-one doubts the quality of Vieira,Pires,Ljundberg and Bergkamp but if you look at last nights game,as soon as Bergkamp,Pires or one their defensive players got the ball they launch it over the top for Henry to run on to,or play it short to him and then stand back and watch,their 20 minutes of dominance last night was more awesome Henry than awesome Arsenal,it was him and only him who caused us the problems,his pace is amazing and he left our defenders trailing a few times but when he looked up there was no-one to pass it to.he seemed to be playing his own little game at times as well,where he dropped into to his own half,took the ball of his one of the defenders and went of running on his own,while the rest of them stood watching.He created almost everything on his own last night and with the exception of Pires and Bergkamp got no support.and given that Pires's goal came from a lucky rebound and Bergkamp's took a big deflection, you have to wonder, when Henry is not scoring,who else is going to score for them?

If Henry gets hurt i believe this Arsenal team wouldn't be half as good,the whole structure of the team is built around him and without they would be lost.

Just my opinion,I'd appreciate that of others.

No doubt the gooners will tell me i'm wrong but i want intelligent observations,so Red Devil,Doz, Drummer and anyone else with a clue this thread is aimed at you(haha that rhymes) .

P.S. I hope you lot win the league,cos while you may be an arrogant bunch at least you have a right to be, and you do accept that your team is not perfect and has it's faults.You can also accept that you don't have a God given right to win every game,and you don't whinge and moan when things go against you.

[johnnygman]

Still sucking ManU **** i see!

[manu4ever]

Have to agree nothing worse than a Liverpool fan licking the arse of the Man u fans!

[Red Devil]

Originally posted by The Rule
Ok folks, i want your opinions on this.

Having watched the Gunners come to our place last night and supposedly give us a lesson, i've come to the conclusion that without Henry they would be in big trouble.

No-one doubts the quality of Vieira,Pires,Ljundberg and Bergkamp but if you look at last nights game,as soon as Bergkamp,Pires or one their defensive players got the ball they launch it over the top for Henry to run on to,or play it short to him and then stand back and watch,their 20 minutes of dominance last night was more awesome Henry than awesome Arsenal,it was him and only him who caused us the problems,his pace is amazing and he left our defenders trailing a few times but when he looked up there was no-one to pass it to.he seemed to be playing his own little game at times as well,where he dropped into to his own half,took the ball of his one of the defenders and went of running on his own,while the rest of them stood watching.He created almost everything on his own last night and with the exception of Pires and Bergkamp got no support.and given that Pires's goal came from a lucky rebound and Bergkamp's took a big deflection, you have to wonder, when Henry is not scoring,who else is going to score for them?

If Henry gets hurt i believe this Arsenal team wouldn't be half as good,the whole structure of the team is built around him and without they would be lost.

Just my opinion,I'd appreciate that of others.

No doubt the gooners will tell me i'm wrong but i want intelligent observations,so Red Devil,Doz, Drummer and anyone else with a clue this thread is aimed at you(haha that rhymes) .

P.S. I hope you lot win the league,cos while you may be an arrogant bunch at least you have a right to be, and you do accept that your team is not perfect and has it's faults.You can also accept that you don't have a God given right to win every game,and you don't whinge and moan when things go against you.

Thanks. Henry is a good player and without him Arsenal would be quite lost on the field. But we'll do our best to destroy them anyway and win the league! It will be tough though to beat the other teams. I have a bad feeling about Brimingham. We'll see!

Red Devil

[doz]

Originally posted by The Rule
Ok folks, i want your opinions on this.

Having watched the Gunners come to our place last night and supposedly give us a lesson, i've come to the conclusion that without Henry they would be in big trouble.

No-one doubts the quality of Vieira,Pires,Ljundberg and Bergkamp but if you look at last nights game,as soon as Bergkamp,Pires or one their defensive players got the ball they launch it over the top for Henry to run on to,or play it short to him and then stand back and watch,their 20 minutes of dominance last night was more awesome Henry than awesome Arsenal,it was him and only him who caused us the problems,his pace is amazing and he left our defenders trailing a few times but when he looked up there was no-one to pass it to.he seemed to be playing his own little game at times as well,where he dropped into to his own half,took the ball of his one of the defenders and went of running on his own,while the rest of them stood watching.He created almost everything on his own last night and with the exception of Pires and Bergkamp got no support.and given that Pires's goal came from a lucky rebound and Bergkamp's took a big deflection, you have to wonder, when Henry is not scoring,who else is going to score for them?

If Henry gets hurt i believe this Arsenal team wouldn't be half as good,the whole structure of the team is built around him and without they would be lost.

Just my opinion,I'd appreciate that of others.

No doubt the gooners will tell me i'm wrong but i want intelligent observations,so Red Devil,Doz, Drummer and anyone else with a clue this thread is aimed at you(haha that rhymes) .

P.S. I hope you lot win the league,cos while you may be an arrogant bunch at least you have a right to be, and you do accept that your team is not perfect and has it's faults.You can also accept that you don't have a God given right to win every game,and you don't whinge and moan when things go against you.

This is a very interesting observation. I watched the game last night and i noticed that everything up top for Arsenal goes through or comes from Henry. I think he certainly made Liverpool look very foolish at the back and i have to say Arsenal deserved to in. But thanks to Pool for the draw. :)
Regarding Henry, i wouldn't say Arsenal would collapse without him but i certainly believe that they would lose much of their potency up front without him. Neither Bergkamp, Wiltord or Kanu , despite all being good players, have anything like the range of skills and attributes of Henry. Jeffers is just hopless. certainly Arsenal would not be as strong without him but you could argue the same for other teams if players like Van Nistelrooy, Shearer or Gudjohnsen were injured.
BTW i'm going to move this thread to the English NT forums because it doesn't really belong here.;)

[Doubledouble]

Henry is undoubtedly a key player but to suggest we'd be in "big" trouble w/o him is ott. I'm not going to list our squad cos everyone pretty much knows who we have but there is plenty of cover. He does brings an extra dimmension to the team that nobody else can but w/o him we could, and have, still play the quality of football to win. don't expect the whole team to go flowing forward at Anfield. Name me one other team in the country who would sensibly (so Man City don't count) go all out attack there. Playing the long ball to a lone striker and the defenders sitting deep and trying to hit on the break is a sensible tactic for anyone to play away from home against opposition of Liverpools (form aside) standard.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Doubledouble
Henry is undoubtedly a key player but to suggest we'd be in "big" trouble w/o him is ott. I'm not going to list our squad cos everyone pretty much knows who we have but there is plenty of cover.

Agreed.

Saying Arsenal is a one man team is a huge insult too the rest.
I can`t even sensibly reply too it, it is that much crap.
Normally very calm and rational, but this does upset me a bit.

Henry is very good but most chances start at Pires or Bergkamp. They can still lead a match perfectly well, if Henry is out, we will just put Wiltord in the centre of attack. Henry missed around seven chances against Liverpool, I`m sure Wiltord is capable of that too, without mowing down the ability of Henry.
We also played for some time without the likes of Pires and Ljungberg, we managed that too, see no reason why a striker would be so major important.

Henry has great moments but also a lot of lousy moments, he should have scored several times against Liverpool and failed too assist Bergkamp in a situation with two attackers and one defender storming on goal. If he will get less selfish he will be even better. Although I don`t expect much people, read Arsenal fans, too agree with me on this one, since they all adore Henry no matter what. although ofcourse he srtill is amazing, doesn`t take away from the fact he isn`t always a team player enough and still could gain progression on vision, I know what I`m talking about since I saw a lot of Arsenal matches this year.

You would think a team of the stature of Arsenal could back that loss up and we can.

[The Rule]

i asked were they,against Liverpool they were.I didn't say they always are,last year Freddie and Bobby won them the league just as much as Henry,but you're back up for Henry is Jeffers,if RVN goes out they have Ole,and Ole is class and would walk into most prem teams,jeffers is crap

[Looney]

One thing I've kinda noticed about Arsenal is that they almost always have someone on form to score or create the crucial goal. Usually in early season it's Henry, then in the run in Henry generally dips in form so Ljungberg and someone else seems to take over. IMO that's like Arsenal's a one man team just that they rotate that one man. And Arsenal has the old Man U look about them, some teams are scared to play them these days.

[JD]

It is argueable it would be easier to replace Henry (which shouldn't be necessary 4some time he loves the club) than it is going 2b to replace Bergkamp, which is a much more imminent problem
I'm not criticising Henry- and I'm not suggesting there are many(if any) strikers with his dragcar pace, tightrope walker balance and intuitive touch
but Dennis is our creator, our playmaker, our number10

It was suggested at the end of last season Arsenal where a 1man team-
FREDDY LLUNGBERG
Freddy won the Carling player of the year (the holder was viera)
and it was DB who found most of those Freedy surges in2 the box with perfectly weighted 'HIT ME!' balls

When we were awarded the premiership trophy and injured SuperBobbyPires hobbled up to lift the trophy and the whole Arsenal squad did the - we're not worthy, bowing act to Bobby
The football writers player of the year

every1 was suggesting Viera may be off to real madrid and Arsenals glory would fade because he is irreplaceable in our team- he has been in the last four PFA teams of the year a unique achievement and also broke the alltime french record for NT appearances - playing in possibly the strongest French team in history. Viera is our captain and already an Arsenal legend.

Henry was the leagues top scorer (and OPTA player of the season)

but as I've mentioned DB is probably the hardest to find a replacement for.

He set up one less goal than Bobby (a lot for Freddy through the middle) and won goal of the season with THAT goal at St James (his skill then assist for Freddy against a bewildered Juve and his Leverkusen chip were on a similar level of genius)
for me Dennis was (and is) the key

Sylvain got some rather important goals (what he's always done and we bought him for) including the league winner at OT - when Henry wasn't fit so the theory didn't work4ManYoo.

oh and last season we never conceded a goal for 15hours of open play at the end of the season (but obviously Seamans a terrible keeper so that must have been an optical illusion)

1man team - joker

[soccer fanatic]

Good post JD.
Agreed.

[rshepherd1000]

it is farcical to suggest arsenal are a one man team - it doesnt matter who is unavailable in our side, the replacements (most of them not superstars) come in and always do the business

if theres one thing arsenal have demonstrated over the past seasons years its team spirit, for example in the 98 season to win the title we had to win matches in the final few weeks with christopher wreh and boa morte up front whilst the usual suspects were suspended or injured.

you could go through pretty much every side in world football and take one of their best players out and the side would be weaker for it

sorry :)

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD
It is argueable it would be easier to replace Henry (which shouldn't be necessary 4some time he loves the club) than it is going 2b to replace Bergkamp, which is a much more imminent problem
I'm not criticising Henry- and I'm not suggesting there are many(if any) strikers with his dragcar pace, tightrope walker balance and intuitive touch
but Dennis is our creator, our playmaker, our number10

It was suggested at the end of last season Arsenal where a 1man team-
FREDDY LLUNGBERG
Freddy won the Carling player of the year (the holder was viera)
and it was DB who found most of those Freedy surges in2 the box with perfectly weighted 'HIT ME!' balls

When we were awarded the premiership trophy and injured SuperBobbyPires hobbled up to lift the trophy and the whole Arsenal squad did the - we're not worthy, bowing act to Bobby
The football writers player of the year

every1 was suggesting Viera may be off to real madrid and Arsenals glory would fade because he is irreplaceable in our team- he has been in the last four PFA teams of the year a unique achievement and also broke the alltime french record for NT appearances - playing in possibly the strongest French team in history. Viera is our captain and already an Arsenal legend.

Henry was the leagues top scorer (and OPTA player of the season)

but as I've mentioned DB is probably the hardest to find a replacement for.

He set up one less goal than Bobby (a lot for Freddy through the middle) and won goal of the season with THAT goal at St James (his skill then assist for Freddy against a bewildered Juve and his Leverkusen chip were on a similar level of genius)
for me Dennis was (and is) the key

Sylvain got some rather important goals (what he's always done and we bought him for) including the league winner at OT - when Henry wasn't fit so the theory didn't work4ManYoo.

oh and last season we never conceded a goal for 15hours of open play at the end of the season (but obviously Seamans a terrible keeper so that must have been an optical illusion)

1man team - joker

OK fair answer,and that's all i wanted but it was the Henry one-man show in the first half(if he'd got one he would have probably got a hat-trick) on wednesday.Your wrong about the 15 hour thing,cos Seaman wasn't in goals for all of that time,if he had been it wouldn't have happened.

Do you not think that if you could play Pires in the hole, and Freddie on the left you could just bring in Pennant on the right when Dennis goes??rather than going out and spending a fortune trying to replace the irreplacable?

[rshepherd1000]

thats an interesting suggestion

[The Rule]

Originally posted by rshepherd1000
thats an interesting suggestion

it would save money which you could spend on a keeper and a centre half.

[rshepherd1000]

put your suggestion on a postcard and sent it to wenger

[The Rule]

Originally posted by rshepherd1000
put your suggestion on a postcard and sent it to wenger

with my name and telephone number on the bottom??

[rshepherd1000]

if you want to be eligible for the prize

[JD]

apparently I'm wrong about that 15 hour thing - in what way?

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD
apparently I'm wrong about that 15 hour thing - in what way?

if you could read,you said that it was an optical illusion cos Seaman is crap.Seaman wasn't in goals for most of those 15 hours.

[JD]

er Rule u try an recycle my own postings back to nme it doesn't make u right (only reason u know wot games seaman played is because I posted it) Wright played 2, Seaman the rest. Still doesn't make me "wrong" about anything does it
which particular statement is "wrong"
the fact my opinion on seaman disagrees with yours?

[JD]

Arsenal are not a one man team
Thierry Henry on the other hand is
check out these stats
http://www.optasoccer.com/article.asp?article=130722&cpid=8