Nuclear Weapons Program Discovered In Iraq [Archive]

Severus

01-25-2003, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
How have we not?

Please name all the U.N. resolutions put against us....

nevermind the resolutions placed upon you what about the war crimes you've committed which the UN turned a blind eye to like your rendezvous with panama. the traditional case of the US building up their enemy so they can eventually go to war with them when they don't need them anymore in a military showdown for the mighty US to flex some muscle. causing tens of thousands of innocent casualties, NEEDLESS CASUALTIES for what ? cos bush SR wanted to soak the scumbag dope pusher noreaga for all he could ? yeah how humane.

what about hiroshima and nagasaki ? now let's talk about civility and human rights. more like archaic and barbaric if you ask me. how constitutional is that to launch a nuclear barrage on a nation already clearly defeated, destroying any form of life within the immediate area of the bombS ? very justified right. and who are we all bent out of shape about for allegedly possessing nuclear capabilities ? i dunno, sometimes i wonder if the fingers are truly pointing in the right direction.

funky6

01-25-2003, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by ItalianBoy

funky, saying stupid cowboys really isnt the best way to express your opinion.
Also, pls, if we have to chat with our own ideas ok, but leave this everyday crap like USA here killing and Saddam is a good guy.
Its just pathetic and does not give you too much credibility.
Its all about what side are you on. Are you with the USA? west society? or with Islam? Choose.
Cuz if you think that the Muslims, NO NOT ALL OF THEM! But most of them, will not go against the USa or like USA, you are wrong.

This stupid stupid cowboys was about the American Governments.IMO they act so and George Bush Junior from Texas makes this feeling stronger.Sorry for that anyway.

Who said Saddam is a good guy?I hate him as much i hate american politicians and the economic giants behind these puppets(included Europeans).C'mon guys who is Saddam to resist to U.S for 12 years?You could have got him whenever you wanted him.You just need an excuse to act in the area which is we-can't-even-imagine-how-much vital for U.S's power.This is not everyday crap about U.S. killing man.They are indeed killing.And it's not only Iraq. It's the first time the reaction is so big everywhere ,even in U.S.

Why do i have to choose sides?I'm not a communist,nor a hippy,nor a muslim.I'm just a critical observer who is not eating every garbage media through at him.I just can't keep on seeing innocents die.So in your opinion the world is divided in 3 pieces?What about Africans?Ppl die there in endless civil wars cause some countries have to sell their old guns and nobody gives a chit.I hope they get strong enough and set this stupid planet on fire someday.And who told you muslims are living with the idea of World domination?Most of them are harmless and nice people.This holy war crap never existed.YOU ARE PLAYING FOOTBALL ALONE.

PS)Anyone who thinks i'm an anti-american can go burn in hell-or just ask me about my favourite bands,authors etc

Severus

01-25-2003, 04:11 PM

just ignore ITboy, he knows nothing and never has anything informative to say. and that's probably because he's an obnoxious ignoramus.

Ronnie Raygun

01-25-2003, 04:47 PM

No more ignorant than these statements you made.

"nevermind the resolutions placed upon you what about the war crimes you've committed which the UN turned a blind eye to like your rendezvous with panama."

Oh! Yes! I've heard that conspiracy theory before.
"
what about hiroshima and nagasaki ? now let's talk about civility and human rights. more like archaic and barbaric if you ask me."

WoW! You failed to say anything about the Japanese bombing and killing thousands of innocent people at Pearl Harbor. Why in the world would you fail to mention that? Could it be because you have an obvuious bias against The United States because you know that you meaningless nation will always stand....No No, Lay in our shadow? I believe so.

Have you ever thought to yourself.."why didn't they bomb Tokyo?" Probably not but I'll tell you anyway. It's because it was a civilain target UNLIKE Hiroshima and Nagasaki....which were military targets. If you are really concerned about your civialian population why would you put them in the center of a military complex. It's because they were controlled by an evil dictatorship who didn't care. ..... . didn't even care enough to quit after the first one dropped. They started the war with us and refused to surrender even after the first bomb dropped......who's really to blame Serevus? Any honest man would say "Japan".

What sort of conspiracy theory will you invent to cover you ass now!?

Severus

01-25-2003, 06:26 PM

Oh! Yes! I've heard that conspiracy theory before

earth to georgia !!! that is no conspiracy theory. noreaga's government was toppled. one problem though. the US soldiers who's sole responsibility was to secure the surrounding area of noreaga's palace or whatever you wanna call it failed to do so and let his loyalists in so they could defeat the opposition groups who pretty much had noreaga beat. that's common knowledge. gees i wonder how such a simple task could've been so awfully screwed up ??? it leads me and every other reasonable thinker to believe that either the americans are so incompetent they could not even fortify a bridge and a few entrances, or it was blatantly done because bush SR down at CIA headquarters, wasn't done soaking him so instead of preventing further bloodshed and casualties, he in all his glorified american glutton opted for the coin. do some research on it instead of speaking from your arse with your foolish remarks.

as for hiroshima and nagasaki, the reason why i didn't bring up pearl harbour is because the genocide in japan happened 4 years later after the japanese were clearly defeated. so what policy is that under, drop the good ol nuke for good measure after every opponent has been destroyed ?????? yer delusional mate.

funky6

01-25-2003, 06:29 PM

Ronnie Raygun

01-26-2003, 11:33 AM

"earth to georgia !!! that is no conspiracy theory. noreaga's government was toppled. one problem though. the US soldiers who's sole responsibility was to secure the surrounding area of noreaga's palace or whatever you wanna call it failed to do so and let his loyalists in so they could defeat the opposition groups who pretty much had noreaga beat. that's common knowledge."

Are you insane? Is Noriega still in power? The American invasion was successful in getting rid of Noriega. He even spent time in a U.S. prison. Power was given back to the very same people that lost it in the military coup in 1968. The only thing Noriega was successful in doing was a brushing off a coup attempt.

"gees i wonder how such a simple task could've been so awfully screwed up ???"

Uuuhh...We were successful. Now go kick you teachers ass for filling your head full of sh1t.

"do some research on it instead of speaking from your arse with your foolish remarks."

HAHA! I love watching you make a fool of yourself.

"as for hiroshima and nagasaki, the reason why i didn't bring up pearl harbour is because the genocide in japan happened 4 years later after the japanese were clearly defeated."

Wrong! You didn't mention it because you have a bias against The United States. What does 4 years later have to do with anything? Do you have any idea how many American soldiers they killed in those 4 years? If they were defeated, why did they refuse a surrender?....EVEN AFTER THE FIRST BOMB WAS DROPPED!

"so what policy is that under, drop the good ol nuke for good measure after every opponent has been destroyed ??????"

It really is a same how ignorant you are. Have we used a nuke any time since then? Why? Because it wasn't neccessary. How many Canadians did the Japs kill? You Only lost about 37,000 troops with NO civilian casualties. We lost almost 300,000 troops and 6000 civilans.

Thanks for the contribution.

BLAUGRANA

01-27-2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Severus

what about hiroshima and nagasaki ? now let's talk about civility and human rights. more like archaic and barbaric if you ask me. how constitutional is that to launch a nuclear barrage on a nation already clearly defeated, destroying any form of life within the immediate area of the bombS ?

What of it? Japan was on the verge of defeat, but that would have required an assault on the Japanese mainland. That would have meant thousands upon thousands of American casualties, so they decided to use the bombs. IMO, one bomb would have been sufficient. Apart from that, there's no other arguement. We didn't start that way with them, they started it with us.

HULK HOGAN

01-27-2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Severus
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as for hiroshima and nagasaki, the reason why i didn't bring up pearl harbour is because the genocide in japan happened 4 years later after the japanese were clearly defeated. so what policy is that under, drop the good ol nuke for good measure after every opponent has been destroyed ?????? yer delusional mate.

The Japanese army was going to fight till the death if we invavded mainland japan. I think AMerican loses would've numbered in the 1million mark and Japanese loses would've numbered in the 5 million area. So 200,000 or 6 million lives you tell me. Plus the Soviets were going to help in the invasion so a north and south japan could've been likely if the soviets joined. Please look at the full scope of the action before you go blasting the past.

romansky

01-28-2003, 03:26 PM

How's this for a conspiracy theory:

A shadowy network of terrorists aided & abetted by an "Axis of Evil" of rogue states has coordinated a secret global attempt to topple the US Government. The president of the US is the instrument chosen by God to free us from the evil threat & preserve life, liberty, & the pursuit of over-consumption which is the divine right of every American.

Fortunatley you don't have to go to an obscure site to hear more, simply tune in to the State of the Union Address this evening :D

ItalianBoy

01-29-2003, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by Severus
just ignore ITboy, he knows nothing and never has anything informative to say. and that's probably because he's an obnoxious ignoramus.

Very nice and reliable poster.
If you hate me this much, just avoid me, the problem is that I am the opposite of these statements of yours, = you get to be presented like a fool when I feel like.
:rolleyes:

Mendieta

01-29-2003, 08:30 PM

I would actually love to see Saddam completely give in to the U.S. Allow the U.S complete access to everything. Then, we would see what their true intentions are. Cause, I can guarantee that the U.S would not pull back. They would still find reasons to take him out of power and install their own puppet leader. One thing is for sure, the U.S are slowly losing international ground. Aside from a few European countries, no one is siding with them this time. Sure, in reality they don't really need help militarily against Iraq. However, this could come back to bite them in the arse in the future. People in the world are getting tired of the two-faceness and bullying. How can you stand for democracy, liberty and freedom when your shoving other countries and cultures around constantly. Sure, Saddam is a dictator, but you can't simply remove someone from power cause you have suspicions. And sure, he may have weapons of mass destruction, but so does India, Pakistan and North Korea and also I'm sure the U.S does. So, the U.S basically can pick who is allowed and who is not. The U.S needs to calm down with this witch-hunt and try to establish some meaningful relationships with countries in the Middle East and stop pissing them off. Then perhaps they wouldn't have to worry so much about homeland security and instead could focus on more important issues like healthcare, education and the economy.

lili

01-29-2003, 09:17 PM

Nice try, Mendieta.:thumbsup:

Severus

01-30-2003, 11:27 PM

Are you insane? Is Noriega still in power? The American invasion was successful in getting rid of Noriega. He even spent time in a U.S. prison. Power was given back to the very same people that lost it in the military coup in 1968. The only thing Noriega was successful in doing was a brushing off a coup attempt

thanks for pointing out that noriega is not in power anymore. we just got the news yesterday up here via the radio-waves. you've once again conveniently managed to miss my point nonetheless which was that it should not have gone as far as it did because the opposition clearly had noriega defeated long before the US decided to level panama and killed tens of thousands. but again, because bush wasn't done soaking him for all he was worth the US didn't co-operate and as is well documented, failed to block a couple of entrances so that noriega's loyalists could sandwich the opposition. go read a book.

Uuuhh...We were successful. Now go kick you teachers ass for filling your head full of sh1t

great. now if only you could block entrances as good as you can level countries, the world would be a much better place to live in :D

Wrong! You didn't mention it because you have a bias against The United States. What does 4 years later have to do with anything? Do you have any idea how many American soldiers they killed in those 4 years? If they were defeated, why did they refuse a surrender?....EVEN AFTER THE FIRST BOMB WAS DROPPED!

they refused to surrender even after the second bomb ... what's your point ? fact is japan were on the brink of defeat and the US didn't need to drop the bombs. only an ignorant sot like yourself would dispute that.

It really is a same how ignorant you are. Have we used a nuke any time since then? Why? Because it wasn't neccessary. How many Canadians did the Japs kill? You Only lost about 37,000 troops with NO civilian casualties. We lost almost 300,000 troops and 6000 civilans

so according to you then, it is necessary to drop a couple of nukes on a clearly defeated nation in response to an attack on a military target 4 years prior ??? where in bloody hell is the rationale in that ? this is not a question of anti-americanism. it is a question of humanity and civility. and if the US are the spokespersons for humanity, the civilized and free world, i find it ridiculously hypocritical that they would resort to such a barbaric action and by you justifying it doesn't make you any more civilized either.

lili

01-31-2003, 07:51 AM

Sev, changing arguments with Ronnie is like pissing against a tornado. He's clearly brain washed by the great US propaganda, so you're wasting your time, baby.;)

Zek

01-31-2003, 08:13 AM

nice points Sev, you're surely improving in a way to humanization...

Ronnie is another ignorant american trying to go and clean the neighbourhood.

Ronnie Raygun

01-31-2003, 12:38 PM

"thanks for pointing out that noriega is not in power anymore. we just got the news yesterday up here via the radio-waves."

Sounds about right.

"you've once again conveniently managed to miss my point nonetheless which was that it should not have gone as far as it did because the opposition clearly had noriega defeated long before the US decided to level panama and killed tens of thousands."

Really, then why was he still in power? That was the objective you know....to remove him.

"but again, because bush wasn't done soaking him for all he was worth the US didn't co-operate and as is well documented, failed to block a couple of entrances so that noriega's loyalists could sandwich the opposition."

Sorry to tell you this but the United States wasn't involved directly while this was going on. It was Panamanian opposition forces that failed....not the United States military.

"go read a book."

Take some of your own advise.

"great. now if only you could block entrances as good as you can level countries, the world would be a much better place to live in"

If it wasn't for The United States of America the Axis powers would have won WWII......and if not Canada and Europe would be Soviet satelites. Are you denying this?

"they refused to surrender even after the second bomb ... what's your point ? fact is japan were on the brink of defeat and the US didn't need to drop the bombs. only an ignorant sot like yourself would dispute that."

If they refused to surrender after the second bomb, then why did the surrender after ..... the second bomb...Japan's regime would have still been intact if we hadn't bombed them....they would never have surrendered. We would have had to invade which would have resulted in many more deaths than the bombs caused. Keep in mind that they could have surrendered after the first one and that they were responsible for over 100,000 american deaths including thousands of civilians and dragged us into a war they started.

It really is a same how ignorant you are. Have we used a nuke any time since then? Why? Because it wasn't neccessary. How many Canadians did the Japs kill? You Only lost about 37,000 troops with NO civilian casualties. We lost almost 300,000 troops and 6000 civilans

"so according to you then, it is necessary to drop a couple of nukes on a clearly defeated nation in response to an attack on a military target 4 years prior ???"

They were NOT clearly defeated.

"this is not a question of anti-americanism. it is a question of humanity and civility."

You want to talk about civility....How about contributing to the fvcking cause. Where were the Canadians? Only 37,000 deaths....you leech. We did all the fighting for you and DEFENDED YOU while you sit up on your perch and criticize the way in which we did it. You haven't a fvcking clue. We are the defenders of the free world. You are nothing more than that little fish that eats the algae off of our back.

Mendieta

01-31-2003, 03:33 PM

You haven't a fvcking clue. We are the defenders of the free world. You are nothing more than that little fish that eats the algae off of our back.

Oh my God! You must have like a star spangled banner tattoed on your back! I've never heard someone talk so much crap from being brainwashed by propaganda. I live in Canada too, and I love my country, but at the same time I can admit when the government is wrong, which is most of the time. Personally, I have nothing against the American people, it's the American government and their policies which I find disturbing. Why is it so hard to see failure in your government? Anyone, with a brain bigger than a pea, knows that most governments have hidden agendas and are not honest and usually the bigger nation and government the more corrupt and dishonest they are in their practices. Crap, you don't become a world power by being the good kid on the block. However, so many Americans are clouded by this facade of propaganda concerning the liberties and freedom of the world! Christ, this coming from a country where racism is practiced like it's going out of fashion. Face the truth my American friend, your government has a hidden agenda like the majority of governments. I'm not disputing what the U.S has done for the world, but it's not always done in such a saint like fashion like you think. The majority of times when the U.S get's involved it's about "what can we get out of this?" And in this case with Iraq, it's not even about getting involved in someone else's dispute, they're just wanting to get Saddam out and help install a leader that will be more Pro-American. Crap, that's even apparent to Nelson Mandella!

Ronnie Raygun

01-31-2003, 04:05 PM

"I live in Canada too, and I love my country, but at the same time I can admit when the government is wrong, which is most of the time."

Really! About what?

"Personally, I have nothing against the American people, it's the American government and their policies which I find disturbing."

What then? Address the issues.

"Why is it so hard to see failure in your government?"

It's not. I see plenty.

"Anyone, with a brain bigger than a pea, knows that most governments have hidden agendas and are not honest and usually the bigger nation and government the more corrupt and dishonest they are in their practices."

I say more often than anyone here that govt. cannot be trusted and that it has been the biggest killer of mankind. Govt's have killed more people than every plague, every sickness combined. I know that. However, that is not the issue here.

"Crap, you don't become a world power by being the good kid on the block."

What!? Is that your best analogy.

"However, so many Americans are clouded by this facade of propaganda concerning the liberties and freedom of the world!"

No we are not. Other nations are clouded by jealousy and hatred and by their own anti-Americanism.

"Christ, this coming from a country where racism is practiced like it's going out of fashion."

Almost every nation with a diverse population fits that description.

"Face the truth my American friend, your government has a hidden agenda like the majority of governments."

What is it? Where is the proof? Without it you are talking out of your ass. Are we looking out for our own interests? Yes. Just as every nation does.

"I'm not disputing what the U.S has done for the world, but it's not always done in such a saint like fashion like you think."

I'd be the first to agree with that. I am not an idealist. I know that wars kill innocent people. I realize that certain battles can have complex meanings. I understand that I, as a citizen, don't have the right to know everything that goes on in my govt. and have to put a certain amount of trust, or not, in the current administration. I KNOW MY PRESIDENT. I feel strongly that he is doing the right thing to protect me, my family, and our allies. I don't feel like France and Germany should have anything to do with the descsion to go to war.

"The majority of times when the U.S get's involved it's about "what can we get out of this?""

Why not? We obviously have to fight other nations wars for them. Two times world wars were started in europe because they couldn't keep their sh1t together. And what thanks do we get. THE FRENCH ARE BURNING OUR FLAG! FVCK THEM. If we can't even get a little civility from these people, can we at least not get compensation. Wars are not free you know. They do cost the American people money. ......... .If I could have it my way, we would completely close ourselves off from the rest of the world. SEERIOUSLY! Then we would have no more complaints. The truth is, we don't need any of you. YOU need US. Do you not admit that?

"And in this case with Iraq, it's not even about getting involved in someone else's dispute, they're just wanting to get Saddam out and help install a leader that will be more Pro-American."

It's not about Pro-American. How about pro-U.N. How about not invading neighboring countries and murdering millions of people...including your own. How about abiding by U.N. resolutions set against you.

Saudi Arabia is not pro American, we aren't invading them. Syria, isn't pro American. Iran isn't pro American....must I go on?

"Crap, that's even apparent to Nelson Mandella!"

Nelson Mandella's freedom was supported by The U.S. Thanks for proving my point.

By the way, let's not forget that he's a racist, senile old communist.

Mendieta

01-31-2003, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
I KNOW MY PRESIDENT. I feel strongly that he is doing the right thing to protect me, my family, and our allies.

Ha. ha. ha... good one. If anything he is doing the opposite. But your too stupid to realize that. All he's doing is pissing off more psychopaths like Bin Laden out there. If you guys truly want protection, then you should stop meddling.

"Christ, this coming from a country where racism is practiced like it's going out of fashion."

Almost every nation with a diverse population fits that description

Wrong again. Try coming to Canada where we have just as much of a diverse culture as you and racism is minimal. But of course you wouldn't know that cause you live in your bubble called the U.S of A.

If I could have it my way, we would completely close ourselves off from the rest of the world. SEERIOUSLY! Then we would have no more complaints. The truth is, we don't need any of you. YOU need US. Do you not admit that?

The first great idea I've heard coming from you. What a pleasure it would be, a world without loud mouth Americans. It's amazing how arrogant you are that you've convinced yourself that the world needs you and wants you. I guess that's the excuse your government keeps using to brainwash you to justify invading a nation. Good luck.

P.S: I'm curious, who comes next??? Mabye North Korea, France, Cuba, etc... Which evil country is the U.S's next target?

Ronnie Raygun

01-31-2003, 05:37 PM

"Ha. ha. ha... good one. If anything he is doing the opposite."

O.K. present proof.

"All he's doing is pissing off more psychopaths like Bin Laden out there."

So what? When they pop their heads up, we'll bring them to justice. If not, we'll kill them....if they hit us first, so what? They were going to do it anyway.

"If you guys truly want protection, then you should stop meddling."

Just as you should stop meddling in our affairs?

"Wrong again. Try coming to Canada where we have just as much of a diverse culture as you and racism is minimal. But of course you wouldn't know that cause you live in your bubble called the U.S of A."

I wish it were a bubble. You may consider us racist but we don't. I live in ATL. Probably THE most racist place in the world by world standards......by my standards..I don't see it and I live in a rural area and work downtown. Racism in my country isn't bad at all. We have strong debates amonst each other....that must be what you are reffering to.

"The first great idea I've heard coming from you. What a pleasure it would be, a world without loud mouth Americans. It's amazing how arrogant you are that you've convinced yourself that the world needs you and wants you. I guess that's the excuse your government keeps using to brainwash you to justify invading a nation. Good luck."

Yes, and where do you live? What would you do without our forign aid? Believe me, I love to see you beg, only to slam the door in your face.

"I'm curious, who comes next??? Mabye North Korea, France, Cuba, etc... Which evil country is the U.S's next target?"

North Korea is next......

France is not an enemy...... at least not in a military sense.

Cuba will fall on it's own.

Mendieta

01-31-2003, 06:38 PM

Probably THE most racist place in the world by world standards......by my standards..I don't see it and I live in a rural area and work downtown. Racism in my country isn't bad at all. We have strong debates amonst each other....that must be what you are reffering to.

Racism isn't bad all??? Yeah that's why your own President refered to people of India and Pakistan as Pakis and Indies. Your own president doesn't even know when he's using a racially derogatory comment. Holy shit your are naive. Typical answer though. You must be white to say that, cause I'm sure a Mexican or African American would disagree.

"I'm curious, who comes next??? Mabye North Korea, France, Cuba, etc... Which evil country is the U.S's next target?"

North Korea is next......

Yeah right, deep down your all pussies. You only go and bully countries like Iraq and Cuba which you know will only take 2 to 3 weeks to defeat. However, when it comes to a country like North Korea that has more of a substantial army, then it's all about "promising to them that you won't attack. And trying to peacefully resolve things". I know what you'll say, that I shouldn't talk cause Canada are even bigger pussies. True, but atleast we don't try to act tough and bully around the rest of the world. The U.S isn't a saviour or liberator, it's nothing but a schoolyard bully cause just like a bully it only picks fights with countries that can hardly put up a fight

Yes, and where do you live? What would you do without our forign aid? Believe me, I love to see you beg, only to slam the door in your face.

Oh don't worry we won't be begging. We'd go to England before coming to you. We are a British commonwealth. Cause atleast with England they would help us and then leave. Unlike the U.S that would stay permantly and setup bases all over our country like they did in the Phillipines. Ha, ha,ha... "Yeah, we'll help you get rid of the Spanish and liberate you but then you filipinos we'll have to allow us to live here permanently and put up with our disgusting manners". No thanks, I'd rather die on our own.

romansky

01-31-2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
Nelson Mandella's freedom was supported by The U.S. Thanks for proving my point. By the way, let's not forget that he's a racist, senile old communist.

Well if your point is that the US Government's take on Mandela was just as hypocritical as the former alliance with Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war than you did prove it well. Mandela was labeled a "terrorist" by our current VP at one time, they simply ignored South Africa's flagrant human rights violations until it was politically expedient to condemn Apartheid. Then all of the sudden Mandela was a hero. The beauty of media manipulation in the US, they've got it down :D

Ronnie Raygun

02-01-2003, 05:11 PM

"Racism isn't bad all??? Yeah that's why your own President refered to people of India and Pakistan as Pakis and Indies."

Prove it. I say you are a liar.

"Holy shit your are naive. Typical answer though. You must be white to say that, cause I'm sure a Mexican or African American would disagree."

Now who's racist? Why would I have to be black or mexican to be a victim or racism? Why not a cuban or Colombian......or does your ignorant ass refer to all hispanics as mexicans? That's a rascist comment in itself. If Blacks and Mexicans are victims of rascism....who is perpetrating it? Whites? ANOTHER RACIST COMMENT!

"Yeah right, deep down your all pussies. You only go and bully countries like Iraq and Cuba which you know will only take 2 to 3 weeks to defeat. However, when it comes to a country like North Korea that has more of a substantial army, then it's all about "promising to them that you won't attack."

HAHAHA! Yes! Nazi Germany and U.S.S.R. were such pussies! HAHAHA! **North Korea sooo scary** HAHAHA! Face it, you are a leech with a mouth and nothing more.

"True, but atleast we don't try to act tough and bully around the rest of the world. The U.S isn't a saviour or liberator, it's nothing but a schoolyard bully cause just like a bully it only picks fights with countries that can hardly put up a fight."

Did we pick Iraq? Did we pick Nazi Germany? Did we pick Japan? Did we pick U.S.S.R.? We are the liberators.....That's why you live in a free country. We have the strongest military in the world by far. And you are a leech. At least you admit that you are worse than us which is the only accurate thing you've said.

"Oh don't worry we won't be begging. We'd go to England before coming to you. We are a British commonwealth. Cause atleast with England they would help us and then leave. Unlike the U.S that would stay permantly and setup bases all over our country like they did in the Phillipines."

Yeah! Dumbass! Because that's exactly what we did in Kuwait! HAHA! And we set up bases because we are welcomed to provide security for those who cannot provide security for themselves....sort of like Canada.

"No thanks, I'd rather die on our own."

Hopefully it will happen soon.

Romansky,

We had a major role in ending apartheid....This again proves my point. It does not benefit us to ever help anyone......it only hurts us. I wish we were isolated from the rest of you....but you people are like a bad sickness that won't go away.

Severus

02-01-2003, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
"thanks for pointing out that noriega is not in power anymore. we just got the news yesterday up here via the radio-waves."

Sounds about right.

"you've once again conveniently managed to miss my point nonetheless which was that it should not have gone as far as it did because the opposition clearly had noriega defeated long before the US decided to level panama and killed tens of thousands."

Really, then why was he still in power? That was the objective you know....to remove him.

"but again, because bush wasn't done soaking him for all he was worth the US didn't co-operate and as is well documented, failed to block a couple of entrances so that noriega's loyalists could sandwich the opposition."

Sorry to tell you this but the United States wasn't involved directly while this was going on. It was Panamanian opposition forces that failed....not the United States military.

"go read a book."

Take some of your own advise.

"great. now if only you could block entrances as good as you can level countries, the world would be a much better place to live in"

If it wasn't for The United States of America the Axis powers would have won WWII......and if not Canada and Europe would be Soviet satelites. Are you denying this?

"they refused to surrender even after the second bomb ... what's your point ? fact is japan were on the brink of defeat and the US didn't need to drop the bombs. only an ignorant sot like yourself would dispute that."

If they refused to surrender after the second bomb, then why did the surrender after ..... the second bomb...Japan's regime would have still been intact if we hadn't bombed them....they would never have surrendered. We would have had to invade which would have resulted in many more deaths than the bombs caused. Keep in mind that they could have surrendered after the first one and that they were responsible for over 100,000 american deaths including thousands of civilians and dragged us into a war they started.

It really is a same how ignorant you are. Have we used a nuke any time since then? Why? Because it wasn't neccessary. How many Canadians did the Japs kill? You Only lost about 37,000 troops with NO civilian casualties. We lost almost 300,000 troops and 6000 civilans

"so according to you then, it is necessary to drop a couple of nukes on a clearly defeated nation in response to an attack on a military target 4 years prior ???"

They were NOT clearly defeated.

"this is not a question of anti-americanism. it is a question of humanity and civility."

You want to talk about civility....How about contributing to the fvcking cause. Where were the Canadians? Only 37,000 deaths....you leech. We did all the fighting for you and DEFENDED YOU while you sit up on your perch and criticize the way in which we did it. You haven't a fvcking clue. We are the defenders of the free world. You are nothing more than that little fish that eats the algae off of our back.

look i'm not up for listening to anymore of your misguided honky propaganda. if i was, i'd tune into CNN which is a tad more credible than your misinformed arse :p

Severus

02-01-2003, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by romansky
Well if your point is that the US Government's take on Mandela was just as hypocritical as the former alliance with Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war than you did prove it well. Mandela was labeled a "terrorist" by our current VP at one time, they simply ignored South Africa's flagrant human rights violations until it was politically expedient to condemn Apartheid. Then all of the sudden Mandela was a hero. The beauty of media manipulation in the US, they've got it down :D

right. which is why the only 2 countries that walked out of the racial conference 2 years ago in africa was israel and good ol' uncle sam. the former who directly supported the apartheid, and the latter who directly supported the former :D

what a pairing. no wonder everyone loves them :rolleyes:

barça

02-01-2003, 08:07 PM

Hey sev, I think thats easier to argue with Italianboy:shocked:

ItalianBoy

02-01-2003, 09:56 PM

What is that supposed to mean?
:rolleyes: O yes, you lost all of your arguments and now you got ot make fun of me, typical of losers. I got expericne with Sev dont worry.

All I know is that in this board we got a lot of SMART people. That in the end just talk. I dont agree with an yof you.
all I want is world peace, and some control over this crazy Islamic fukks.
Ciao. :rolleyes:

Severus

02-01-2003, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by barça
Hey sev, I think thats easier to argue with Italianboy:shocked:

well perhaps. the ITfool is still a punk who hasn't formulated many well thought out opinions on his own yet whereas ronnie seems a little more set in his thinking. nevertheless, although ronnie is terribly narrowminded, atleast he's not an irrational cretin like the other guy who simply annoys you more than anything with his excessive contradictions and tremendously misguided opinions. atleast ronnie's good for a couple of laughs.

Mendieta

02-02-2003, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
"Racism isn't bad all??? Yeah that's why your own President refered to people of India and Pakistan as Pakis and Indies."

Prove it. I say you are a liar.

"Holy shit your are naive. Typical answer though. You must be white to say that, cause I'm sure a Mexican or African American would disagree."

Now who's racist? Why would I have to be black or mexican to be a victim or racism? Why not a cuban or Colombian......or does your ignorant ass refer to all hispanics as mexicans? That's a rascist comment in itself. If Blacks and Mexicans are victims of rascism....who is perpetrating it? Whites? ANOTHER RACIST COMMENT!

Prove it??? your such an idiot. Bush was all over the news moron showing his stupid speech where he called them pakis! Don't you watch CNN??? or are you to busy shooting squirrels with your shotgun you dumbass tumble weed hick. Your calling me an ignorant dumbass and saying that I'm referring to all hispanics as Mexicans. I just happened to name Mexicans and African Americans cause they are two of the largest ethnic groups in the
U.S, and for you to say that racism is not a problem just points to one thing your a racist american honky. Just looking at the U.S cities you see pure segregation. That in itself already points to a racist society, where whites and blacks live seperate. Try coming to Canada some time, where you see black and whites hanging out like they we're raised together. Also, it's ironic that your saying that I can't differentiate between other hispanics and Mexicans. That's funny coming from an american! Ha, ha, ha.. I'm actually a Spaniard by birth, so I know very well all the different hispanic countries, better than you. You yanks can't even tell the difference between a Spaniard and a Mexican or Cuban. You all think we eat spicy food and are dark. Ha, ha,ha... You know what, I'm done argueing with you puta. It's a waste of time. Go eat some McDonalds and pack in those arteries Georgia boy. You truly bring meaning to the phrase "ignorance is bliss".

Mendieta

02-02-2003, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by Severus
atleast ronnie's good for a couple of laughs.

Actually I don't find his comments funny, more disturbing than anything else. Cause it brings you to the scary realization that guys like this are the ones running the show right now in the world. Scary thought! Oh well, everything goes in circles. Once it was the Romans, then the Spaniards and now it so happens to be the U.S. One day it will be someone else. Perhaps China? And guys like Ronnie will have to crawl back into the whole they came from.

Severus

02-02-2003, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by Mendieta
Just looking at the U.S cities you see pure segregation. That in itself already points to a racist society, where whites and blacks live seperate. Try coming to Canada some time, where you see black and whites hanging out like they we're raised together.

hehe what's he saying now that racism isn't prevalent in the states ? see what i mean, he's a comedy stint :rolling:

eh mendieta, let's make it a point next christmas to purchase him the novel the "underground railroad" where the slaves sought and discovered the TRUE land of the free. not like those posers to the south :D

stories like this to me are much more impressive then military might. cos we actually practice what we preach !

lili

02-02-2003, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Mendieta
Actually I don't find his comments funny, more disturbing than anything else. Cause it brings you to the scary realization that guys like this are the ones running the show right now in the world. Scary thought! Oh well, everything goes in circles. Once it was the Romans, then the Spaniards and now it so happens to be the U.S. One day it will be someone else. Perhaps China? And guys like Ronnie will have to crawl back into the whole they came from.

Agreed with you from your first post on here and tried to warn you a little, as I like real Gaizka. ;)

Ronnie is great in monologues, shall we bet on that, guys?:evil: ;)

Ronnie Raygun

02-02-2003, 12:14 PM

"Prove it??? your such an idiot. Bush was all over the news moron showing his stupid speech where he called them pakis! Don't you watch CNN???"

Yes. Prove it. Yes. I do watch CNN, Foxnews, MsNBC, I read the Washington Post, USA Today, The Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Newsmax, Newsfilter, AP Newswires, Reuters, C-SPAN...to name a few. Bush never called them pakis or indies.....if you say he did prove it.

"or are you to busy shooting squirrels with your shotgun you dumbass tumble weed hick."

And YOU think that WE'RE racist? Man, you have issues. Question..What do tumble weeds have to do with hicks? I thought tumble weeds were out west.....and as you can see, I live in Atlanta.

"Your calling me an ignorant dumbass and saying that I'm referring to all hispanics as Mexicans. I just happened to name Mexicans and African Americans cause they are two of the largest ethnic groups in the
U.S,"

If you were really clever, which you're not, you would have said non-whites but you insist on refering to all hispanics as Mexicans which shows that you are culturally inept caveman.

"and for you to say that racism is not a problem just points to one thing your a racist american honky."

You calling me a honkey is a form of prejudice. Does that qualify you as a hypocrite? I think so.

"Just looking at the U.S cities you see pure segregation."

Name one. You can't. You lose.

"That in itself already points to a racist society, where whites and blacks live seperate."

That does not exist in America. You very well could be the most uninformed person I know of.

"Try coming to Canada some time, where you see black and whites hanging out like they we're raised together."

You see the same thing here. Again, you are completely ignorant.

"Also, it's ironic that your saying that I can't differentiate between other hispanics and Mexicans. That's funny coming from an american! Ha, ha, ha.. I'm actually a Spaniard by birth, so I know very well all the different hispanic countries, better than you."

Just because you are some white european that speaks spanish doesn't mean that you are familiar with hispanic culture. You only mentioned African Americans and Mexicans somehow attempting to say they are the only minorities that count. You should be ashamed.

"You yanks can't even tell the difference between a Spaniard and a Mexican or Cuban."

Really? The melting pot doesn't know the difference.......OH! That must be because we're all white...**note sarcasm**

"You all think we eat spicy food and are dark."

I just called you a white european. Take your foot, out of your mouth.

Ronnie Raygun

02-02-2003, 12:15 PM

"And guys like Ronnie will have to crawl back into the WHOLE they came from." - Mendieta

Wow! What a brilliant quote!

Did you mean "HOLE"?

LeeXun

02-02-2003, 02:13 PM

I didn't know why Bush want to fire out Sadm~
I really don't know~
Is it necessary?

Ronnie Raygun

02-02-2003, 02:46 PM

Because 12 years of diplomacy has failed to disarm Saddam.

Saddam has ties to Al Qaeda.

Saddam is an insane madman who must be stopped who is personally responsible for 2 million murders.

LeeXun

02-02-2003, 02:53 PM

O~YEAH~

Maybe it's the a suggested answear to this question.
Thank you~

But I think you are too ultra~

Ronnie Raygun

02-02-2003, 03:50 PM

Too "ultra"?

Maybe to you, mass murderers with nuclear, chemical and biological weapons is a good thing.

LeeXun

02-02-2003, 03:55 PM

Seeing is believing!
USA must show the evidences to make the world people believe that!

Ronnie Raygun

02-02-2003, 04:14 PM

The world has already said that it believes "that".

Look at U.N. resolution 1144 passed by YOUR country, France, Britian, Russia, and us...The United States.

LeeXun

02-02-2003, 04:18 PM

O~Er~~~~~~~
If the war must break out,I just can say good luck to you,American~

Mendieta

02-02-2003, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
"Prove it??? your such an idiot. Bush was all over the news moron showing his stupid speech where he called them pakis! Don't you watch CNN???"

Yes. Prove it. Yes. I do watch CNN, Foxnews, MsNBC, I read the Washington Post, USA Today, The Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Newsmax, Newsfilter, AP Newswires, Reuters, C-SPAN...to name a few. Bush never called them pakis or indies.....if you say he did prove it.

"or are you to busy shooting squirrels with your shotgun you dumbass tumble weed hick."

And YOU think that WE'RE racist? Man, you have issues. Question..What do tumble weeds have to do with hicks? I thought tumble weeds were out west.....and as you can see, I live in Atlanta.

"Your calling me an ignorant dumbass and saying that I'm referring to all hispanics as Mexicans. I just happened to name Mexicans and African Americans cause they are two of the largest ethnic groups in the
U.S,"

If you were really clever, which you're not, you would have said non-whites but you insist on refering to all hispanics as Mexicans which shows that you are culturally inept caveman.

"and for you to say that racism is not a problem just points to one thing your a racist american honky."

You calling me a honkey is a form of prejudice. Does that qualify you as a hypocrite? I think so.

"Just looking at the U.S cities you see pure segregation."

Name one. You can't. You lose.

"That in itself already points to a racist society, where whites and blacks live seperate."

That does not exist in America. You very well could be the most uninformed person I know of.

"Try coming to Canada some time, where you see black and whites hanging out like they we're raised together."

You see the same thing here. Again, you are completely ignorant.

"Also, it's ironic that your saying that I can't differentiate between other hispanics and Mexicans. That's funny coming from an american! Ha, ha, ha.. I'm actually a Spaniard by birth, so I know very well all the different hispanic countries, better than you."

Just because you are some white european that speaks spanish doesn't mean that you are familiar with hispanic culture. You only mentioned African Americans and Mexicans somehow attempting to say they are the only minorities that count. You should be ashamed.

"You yanks can't even tell the difference between a Spaniard and a Mexican or Cuban."

Really? The melting pot doesn't know the difference.......OH! That must be because we're all white...**note sarcasm**

"You all think we eat spicy food and are dark."

I just called you a white european. Take your foot, out of your mouth.

Oooh, you think cause you systematically break down all my sentences and neatly organize your answers after my comments that it means you know how to debate or that your intelligent? Your a ***ken idiot is what you are. And yeah, you are right, I am racist. Against inbred ***ks like you maricon. Don't talk to me about not knowing hispanic culture cabron. You don't know shit about any culture other than your own. Spaniards have more of a close relationship with Colombians, Cubans, Argentinians, ect... than any other culture. Many hispanics can trace back to having a grandmother or uncle or aunt from Spain. For Christ sake, I have a uncle who is Chilean, I also have family on my mother's side from Argentina, and you want to say that I don't anything about hispanic culture? What is it that you know living in Atlanta??? Taco Bell??? That's an American's idea of hispanic culture. And as for the Bush comment, I don't need to prove anything to you, you dumb ***k head. I saw it on the news, that's enough for me. Like II said go shoot some squirrels hick.

Mendieta

02-02-2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun

Saddam has ties to Al Qaeda.

Saddam is an insane madman who must be stopped who is personally responsible for 2 million murders.

Give me a break! The U.S still has not been able to produce one concrete piece of evidence that ties Saddam to Al Qaeda. If he had anything, he would have showed it to us a long time ago. Yes, Saddam, is responsible for millions of murders, just like the U.S is responsible for millions of Arabs being murdered and let's not forget the Japenese and Hiroshima. Your so naive, it is sickening.

Ronnie Raygun

02-02-2003, 04:47 PM

"Don't talk to me about not knowing hispanic culture cabron. You don't know shit about any culture other than your own."

How would you know? I grew up in a home full of all different cultures. I have two younger adopted brothers from vietnam. Best best friend is from Panama and I voted for Alan Keyes (Black man) for prez. in 2000. Your conclusions are all wrong....again!

"Spaniards have more of a close relationship with Colombians, Cubans, Argentinians, ect... than any other culture."

No you don't. Most Europeans are completely out of touch with the struggles of real Spanish speakers. Spain is a has been and hispanic nations are the future. You CANNOT relate.

"and you want to say that I don't anything about hispanic culture?"

YES!

"What is it that you know living in Atlanta??? Taco Bell??? That's an American's idea of hispanic culture."

((Really? Man I guess you've just got us all figured out.))

Seriously, that's a lie. Hispanics (not mexicans) are our biggest minority. And they are adapting well to American culture...

"And as for the Bush comment, I don't need to prove anything to you, you dumb ***k head. I saw it on the news, that's enough for me."

So....you are a liar with no evidence that supports your false claims who thinks all hispanics are mexican. BRILLIANT!

"Like II said go shoot some squirrels hick."

What's "II"? Are there 2 of you? What does it take to qualify as a hick? You know, if you're implying that I'm from ATL you are wrong.

"Give me a break! The U.S still has not been able to produce one concrete piece of evidence that ties Saddam to Al Qaeda."

HAHAHA! DAMN YOU ARE AN IGNORANT FOOL! What Colin Powell address the U.N. on Wednesday. On thursday I will dismiss you from my class.

"If he had anything, he would have showed it to us a long time ago."

You really are intellectual pocket link aren't you? We are protecting our sources. We DO have spies in Iraq, idiot. We had to have time to extract them.

"Yes, Saddam, is responsible for millions of murders, just like the U.S is responsible for millions of Arabs being murdered"

Explain yourself, moron. And allow me to expose another lie.

"and let's not forget the Japenese and Hiroshima."

Hiroshima was a military target that was hit and the destruction of that target saved lives.

NEXT!

romansky

02-02-2003, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
We had a major role in ending apartheid....This again proves my point. It does not benefit us to ever help anyone......it only hurts us. I wish we were isolated from the rest of you....but you people are like a bad sickness that won't go away.

When refer to me as "you people," do you mean American taxpayers? Just wondering since that's exactly what I am.

Mendieta

02-03-2003, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
who thinks all hispanics are mexican. BRILLIANT!

I guess my uncle in Chile and my other family in Argentina must be Mexicans too. Boy, I have actual Hispanic family, but I can't tell the difference between Mexicans and other hispanic cultures. Yeah, that really makes sense. When did I say that all hispanics we're Mexican? Your making that accustasion, when ididn't even say that. Another idiotic comment by an idiot.

No you don't. Most Europeans are completely out of touch with the struggles of real Spanish speakers. Spain is a has been and hispanic nations are the future. You CANNOT relate.

And you can relate??? An american living in the cushiony suburbs of Atlanta, who won't even admit that there is a racism problem in your country. Give me a break! Don't try to act like you of all people can relate to the struggles of hispanics in the U.S. That's a joke.

And as for the Bush comment, I don't need to prove anything to you, you dumb ***k head. I saw it on the news, that's enough for me."

So....you are a liar with no evidence that supports your false claims who thinks all hispanics are mexican. BRILLIANT!

'Pakis' Remark Draws Fire for Bush
by Robert Matas
With reports from John Saunders and Reuters

U.S. President George Bush has unwittingly used an offensive racial slur against the Pakistani people that the community has been trying to squash for at least 30 years.
Mr. Bush used the term Pakis in remarks to reporters yesterday, when discussing the possibility of nuclear rivals India and Pakistan going to war. The word has the same impact in the Pakistani community as the term nigger has for American blacks, said Aziz Khaki, vice-chair of the Muslim Canadian Federation.

"It's a very derogatory term," he said yesterday. "People use the term when they do not like you. It is used against people of colour."

_________________________________________

Or if that's not good enough for you Ronnie Retard, here is another one:

____________________________________
Naive Bush slights Pakistanis with a short-cut

Matthew Engel in Washington
Wednesday January 9, 2002
The Guardian

President George Bush's fractured command of international nuance landed him in yet more trouble yesterday as Pakistanis protested over his casual use of the abbreviation "Pakis", which is widely regarded as an offensive epithet.
He was trying at the time to defuse tensions, saying: "We are working hard to convince both the Indians and the Pakis that there's a way to deal with their problems without going to war." However, he was not quite working hard enough.

Syed Adeeb, the editor of the Washington-based Pakistan Times, said that he had received about 50 emails from readers complaining they had been insulted.

"Not only here but Pakistanis in Pakistan and all over the world feel this is insulting and derogatory. President Bush is not the only offender. A lot of Pakistanis in the New York area have complained to me that government officials have been using the word," he said.

Scott McClellan, a White House spokesman, did his best to mollify hurt feelings, without actually apologising. "The president has great respect for Pakistan, the Pakistani people and the Pakistani culture. Pakistan has been a strong member of the international coalition in the war against terrorism," he said.

However, there has long been a sense that Mr Bush's respect for Pakistan has never extended actually to knowing anything about the place. During the presidential election campaign, he was famously caught out when asked to name the Pakistani president, General Musharraf, now one of his most important allies.

Most sensitive Britons acquired a distaste for the word about 20 years ago when "Paki-bashing" was used by hooligans to describe beating up members of any ethnic minority.

Mr Adeeb believes it would have been acceptable had Mr Bush dropped one letter and referred to "the Paks". But four years ago the Clinton administration's national security adviser Sandy Berger began talking about "the Paks" and was forced to apologise.

Pennsylvania-based linguistics expert, Pradyumna Chauhan, said at the time that in the 1950s English racists wrote: "Keep The Paks Out, Keep The Pox Out", on the Thames Embankment, in London, implying that Pakistanis brought smallpox to England.

__________________________________________________

So, there you go you stubborn ass, evidence! I also found numerous other news websites, that still had this in their archives. Just a do a general search on it. You wanted proof, there it is. The fact that you didn't even know about this shows how out of touch you really are or just pure ignorant to what is going on around you. You say that you watch all these news stations and read newspapers meanwhile you didn't even know about something like this. Yeah, your very well informed. The only section you seem to be reading is the cartoons. What a joke,your own President deep down doesn't know what a racist comment is. Your so pathetic Ronnie retard. Like I said, keep living the dream. Ignorance is bliss shit brains. I pity you fool.

Ronnie Raygun

02-03-2003, 03:42 PM

Roman,

"When refer to me as "you people," do you mean American taxpayers? Just wondering since that's exactly what I am."

Anyone you refuses to face the truth.

"I guess my uncle in Chile and my other family in Argentina must be Mexicans too. Boy, I have actual Hispanic family, but I can't tell the difference between Mexicans and other hispanic cultures. Yeah, that really makes sense. When did I say that all hispanics we're Mexican? Your making that accustasion, when ididn't even say that."

Yeah you say you have a hipanic family in Argentina and Chile....so what? That proves nothing. They are obviously distant relatives. If you are so concerned about them why did you not even address them when refering to minorities? You are completely full of it.

"And you can relate??? An american living in the cushiony suburbs of Atlanta, who won't even admit that there is a racism problem in your country. Give me a break! Don't try to act like you of all people can relate to the struggles of hispanics in the U.S. That's a joke."

Uhhh. Yes. There are a sh1t load of hispanics that live in ATL. My wife is hispanic. My best friend is hispanic. I work for an airline on an international concourse and most of the people I work with are hispanic. I see these people and talk and share stories and RELATE to them every day.......which is more than I can say for you and your make believe uncle.

"So, there you go you stubborn ass, evidence!"

Who wrote that...you? Where's the link?

Nice try.

Mendieta

02-03-2003, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
"I guess my uncle in Chile and my other family in Argentina must be Mexicans too. Boy, I have actual Hispanic family, but I can't tell the difference between Mexicans and other hispanic cultures. Yeah, that really makes sense. When did I say that all hispanics we're Mexican? Your making that accustasion, when ididn't even say that."

Yeah you say you have a hipanic family in Argentina and Chile....so what? That proves nothing. They are obviously distant relatives. If you are so concerned about them why did you not even address them when refering to minorities? You are completely full of it.

"And you can relate??? An american living in the cushiony suburbs of Atlanta, who won't even admit that there is a racism problem in your country. Give me a break! Don't try to act like you of all people can relate to the struggles of hispanics in the U.S. That's a joke."

Uhhh. Yes. There are a sh1t load of hispanics that live in ATL. My wife is hispanic. My best friend is hispanic. I work for an airline on an international concourse and most of the people I work with are hispanic. I see these people and talk and share stories and RELATE to them every day.......which is more than I can say for you and your make believe uncle.

"So, there you go you stubborn ass, evidence!"

Who wrote that...you? Where's the link?

Nice try.

Ha,ha,ha, what the hell is hipanic??? Boy, doesn't look like your such a great writer after all retard. By the way what the hell do you know about my family in Argentina??? Right away you assume they are distant family. Says who??? A couple of my cousins just visited three years ago and stayed with us here in Canada. Just shut the hell up before you make any more of a fool of yourself.
Also, why would I address my own relatives as minorities??? You make no sense. You say, Yeah you say you have a hipanic family in Argentina and Chile....so what? That proves nothing. They are obviously distant relatives. If you are so concerned about them why did you not even address them when refering to minorities? You are completely full of it.I was originally referring to Mexicans and African Americans as being minorities in U.S. Ha, ha,ha, you make absolutely no sense. Who said I was concerned about my relatives in South America? What a pea brain you are.
And yes, if you want to also include Cubans, Colombians, Dominicans, etc.. living in the U.S to the equation then fine, go ahead. My whole point was that you stated that there is no racism problem in the U.S and I laughed at that comment and said in response that you probably would not be saying that if you we're a Mexican or African American in the U.S. And right away that means I think all hispanics are Mexican??? How you came to that conclusion, I have no idea. Your just not making any sense jerkoff.

By the way, here are the links Ronnie Retard. Like I said for the hundreth times, I saw this on the news. However, it was also in the newspapers. And I also read it on Reuters, however they only keep archives up to 14 days old. However, you can still find articles on this screw up by Bush on some other sites that still have it posted, like the ones below. Believe it or not. I really don't care anymore, your pretty convinced that I'm making this up. So, I guess I must have connections with many different news sites and web sites to set this all up. Keep being ignorant, that's your choice.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,629781,00.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0108-03.htm

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=6273

Severus

02-04-2003, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
"Just looking at the U.S cities you see pure segregation."

Name one. You can't. You lose.

"That in itself already points to a racist society, where whites and blacks live seperate."

That does not exist in America. You very well could be the most uninformed person I know of.

try taking a look at this site ronnie --- www.censusscope.org

and inform yourself sir :D

Mendieta

02-04-2003, 03:21 AM

Ha, ha,ha... Good one Severus! Boy, there is a lot of mixing between African Americans and whites in the U.S! I guess I was wrong Ronnie! Once again another example of how much crap you know. Face it amigo, you live in a segregated society. Deep down even your president is a biggot. Liberators of freedom and democracy??? First, fix your own country.

ItalianBoy

02-04-2003, 05:46 AM

All I know is that we got people that are arrogant like Sev, a guy that just talks shit of people cuz he has no facts to say and so makes things up.

Ronnie Raygun

02-04-2003, 02:20 PM

"Racism isn't bad all??? Yeah that's why your own President refered to people of India and Pakistan as Pakis and Indies." - Mensdiet

AND!!!

Where does he say anything about "Indies" you ass?!?!

This shows that you attempt to win debates by exaggerating the truth. Without it, your arguments cannot survive.

Where does he say anything about Indies....this is the last time I'm going to ask.

Mendieta

02-04-2003, 04:05 PM

That's all you can say??? What happened cat caught your tongue? Big deal, so I thought he had also called "Indians" "Indies". Doesn't make it any better. He still called Pakistani's "pakis" which is still just as bad. Your just focusing on garbarge now. Your pulling anything you can out of the hat now. Pathetic. The point is you accused me of making this up, which I didn't. Aside from the fact that I also thought he had referred to Indies, the rest is accurate and truthful. More than I can say about the crap that comes from your mouth.

This shows that you attempt to win debates by exaggerating the truth. Without it, your arguments cannot survive.

What are you talking about, there is no winning against you. It's impossible to win against someone who has the truth facing him right in the face and he still doesn't want to admit that his president deep down used a racial slur. Instead, you focus on the fact that I also claimed that he called indians "indies? So, big deal. He still insulted Pakistani's and is still deep down racist and your ignoring the truth

Ronnie Raygun

02-04-2003, 04:14 PM

Does a cat have my tongue?

You were only half right just as I was. Congrats! You broke even.

Moving on...

Does a cat have yours?

When did we murder millions of Arabs?

PLEASE ANSWER!

Mendieta

02-04-2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
Does a cat have my tongue?

You were only half right just as I was. Congrats! You broke even.

Moving on...

Does a cat have yours?

When did we murder millions of Arabs?

PLEASE ANSWER!

Oh thank you for finally admitting that I was half right after days of endless debating. How big of you!
:rolleyes:

It's always the same, you call me liar and then I show you evidence and you have nothing to say. All I'll say is that indirectly, you have, perhaps not millions. However, the U.S have killed many people through foreign policy. By either supplying arms and weapons to rebel groups or by cutting off aid and trade to countries that they feel does not kiss their ass enough. Cuba is a perfect example and your useless embargo. Your not hurting Castro, you are hurting the poor Cubans just because Castro does not get on his knees and give in to everything the U.S wants. The same goes with the middle east. There are many Afganie rebel leaders that the U.S have supplied arms to which indirectly has resulted in mass-killings in Afganistan. The U.S many times make friendly allies with the enemy, cause it suits there own interest at the time.A perfect example is Bin Laden. As we all know the U.S helped him during the Soviet-Afganie war. So, in some ways the U.S contributed to the creation of this monster.Let's also not forget the $1 billion that the U.S has invested to the Colombian military from 1990 - 1998. And we all know the military in Colombia has one of the worst human rights in the world. The point is the U.S many times provides arms and indirect military support to the wrong people or groups. It's like the equivalent of giving a mass murderer a loaded gun and then saying "I'm not responsible". Look, I'm not saying that the U.S has not done anything good. They have. However, I'm not naive also and going to say that the U.S are always the liberators for freedom and democracy. Many times, they have their own hidden agenda and they are helping the wrong side at times to get what they want.

Ronnie Raygun

02-04-2003, 04:59 PM

"It's always the same, you call me liar and then I show you evidence and you have nothing to say."

I have plenty to say. You haven't shown evidence NOT ONE TIME that has fully supported your claim. And I will continue to question your lies!

"All I'll say is that indirectly, you have, perhaps not millions."

So now you are back tracking. What's the matter? Cat got you tongue?

"However, the U.S have killed many people through foreign policy."

We have saved millions through forign aide. It's funny how you failed to mention that.

"By either supplying arms and weapons to rebel groups"

War is war. Your country has fought in wars. Your country has killed people. It's not always a bad thing you know.

"by cutting off aid and trade to countries that they feel does not kiss their ass enough. Cuba is a perfect example and your useless embargo. Your not hurting Castro, you are hurting the poor Cubans just because Castro does not get on his knees and give in to everything the U.S wants."

Oh! Are you talking about the same regime that once had nuclear weapons pointed at us from only 90 miles away? Castro is a communist and our enemy. He has always been our enemy. He will always be our enemy. He does not like the U.S. He has never liked us. We don't like him therefore we don't have to trade with him if we don't want to. Remember, he had nuclear weapons pointed at us. Why should we cooperate with him? He wants to see our destruction.

"The same goes with the middle east. the U.S in some ways is responsible for Bin Laden. As we all know the U.S helped him during the Soviet-Afganie war. That's as far as I'll go debating with you on this issue."

We used him to help defeat a greater enemy. What does that have to do with us murdering a million arabs, you liar?

Mendieta

02-04-2003, 05:17 PM

I'm not doing this for the next few days again. Forget it. You called me a liar about the Bush thing and I showed you evidence. That proves when I say something it's because I've read it somewhere, I just don't make things up out of the blue. I got nothing to prove to you anymore. You showed how ignorant you are. Living in the States and you didn't even know what your President had said and you called me a liar. Screw you! Same goes for this. I've read over the years endless literature on this topic in books, on the Internet, etc... I'm not about to start looking for all this evidence for you to convince your pea brain that your country indirectly kills people and I'm not talking about war. Supplying rebel groups with weapons is not war, or atleast not a war that the U.S should be interfering in. Believe what you want. It's ironic though, that what ever I say I have to back up with CIA and top government documents to convince you. However, you can just systematically break down my thread sentence after sentence and just simply post your opinion that "I don't agree, you have no proof, LIAR!", what are you 5 years old? How's that debating moron? Are you counter argueing me by providing me with some evidence? How about instead of just shooting beer cans in your backyard, you actually get on the Internet and start doing some research to prove me wrong? Ahhh, forget it, this is like talking to a slug. Ironic isn't it. You accuse me of lying and not showing evidence. However, you have not yet shown me anything, other than your stupid propaganda influenced opinion. Atleast I proved to you that Bush had used a racial slur or Sev provided evidence that the U.S is actually very segregated between whites and blacks with the census website he brought forth. And all you can say is "Your a liar!". Brilliant Ronnie. Adios.

HULK HOGAN

02-04-2003, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Mendieta

U.S, and for you to say that racism is not a problem just points to one thing your a racist american honky. Just looking at the U.S cities you see pure segregation. That in itself already points to a racist society, where whites and blacks live seperate. Try coming to Canada some time, where you see black and whites hanging out like they we're raised together. Also, it's ironic that your saying that I can't differentiate between other hispanics and Mexicans. That's funny coming from an american! Ha, ha, ha.. I'm actually a Spaniard by birth, so I know very well all the different hispanic countries, better than you. You yanks can't even tell the difference between a Spaniard and a Mexican or Cuban. You all think we eat spicy food and are dark. Ha, ha,ha... You know what, I'm done argueing with you puta. It's a waste of time. Go eat some McDonalds and pack in those arteries Georgia boy. You truly bring meaning to the phrase "ignorance is bliss".

Segregation?????????

What planet do you live on????

I live in Queens, probably the most diverse place in the world. My nieghbors are Greek, Bengali, Italian, Spanish, Korean, Black you name it that group lives on my block. If your argument is that groups of people tend to stick with one another. Thats of course true gee in NYC the italians have their neighborhood, just like the blacks, jews his-spanics or any other group for that matter. HEck where isn't this true. The Jews have their neighborhoods in Europe so do the ARabs and africans, but i don't think any of them are segregated. In Canada you don't have neighborhoods where theirs a certain majority. When my dad lived in toronto the majority of the people that lived on his block were croatian. Your argument is fairly weak. Your open minded Canada has plenty of inner problems that you don't talk about. Hey Quebec and the rest of Canada sure they love each other. Your national icon DON CHERRY is basically a racist who still hates the russians. I think Mr. Cherry still believes that the cold war is going on. Also you don't seem to be so open minded calling all Georgians honkies. Oh your open mindness preceedes you.

HULK HOGAN

02-04-2003, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Mendieta
Sev provided evidence that the U.S is actually very segregated between whites and blacks with the census website he brought forth. And all you can say is "Your a liar!". Brilliant Ronnie. Adios.

Definition of segregation

1.The act or process of segregating or the condition of being segregated.
2. The policy or practice of separating people of different races, classes, or ethnic groups, as in schools, housing, and public or commercial facilities, especially as a form of discrimination

How is this proven by a census.
1) Segregation is a policy a law. Find me this policy the US uses to enforce their segregation. Find me this school that only allows blacks here and white their. FInd me housing any group of people can't get in the US.

Is Little Italy segregated, is Harlem segregated. These neighborhoods that have had ethnicities living their for hundreds of years. I want you to find me a country that doesn't have a neighborhood where theirs a majority of one race. Hey in paris theirs an arab part. In rome theirs a Albanian section. In montreal their nieghborhoods ith a majority of Arabs. So are all these nieghborhoods therefore segregated????? According to you probbably.

Mendieta

02-04-2003, 09:30 PM

I never said that Canada didn't have problems. Read all the posts before you start making accusations. My point was that for a country such as the U.S which is constantly preaching and boasting about being liberators of liberty and freedom around the world, you guys should look at your own country as well cause racism is still rampant in the U.S and many of your minorities are treated like shit. Oh and thanks for the definition on segregation, but I'm not talking about enforced segregation by the government. I'm taking about social segregation in the U.S. I've been to the U.S and all I've seen our Blacks hanging out with Blacks, Whites hanging out with Whites, Hispanics hanging out with Hispanics, etc, etc.... Sure this exists in every society to an extent but the U.S takes the trophy. Crap, even your past and present shows mimic your society. Friends(all whites), Beverly Hills 90210(Man, I'm not even going to enhance on this one), Mellrose Place,etc.. I know these are just TV shows and they are not reality, but when I was in the States back in the 90's, that's exactly what I saw when I went touring from Michigan to Washington. Very little integration between people of different ethnicity. The only one I'll give you is New York. It's about as culturally diverse as Toronto. But, when you look at the rest of the U.S, there isn't all that much. Lastly I didn't call all Georgians honkeys, I called Ronnie Retard that, I quote, I just happened to name Mexicans and African Americans cause they are two of the largest ethnic groups in the
U.S, and for you to say that racism is not a problem just points to one thing your a racist american honky.
Get your facts straight. I wasn't steroetyping all Georgians, just this idiotic one.
Your national icon DON CHERRY is basically a racist who still hates the russians. I think Mr. Cherry still believes that the cold war is going on.
Atleast he's not our prime minister. What's your excuse for Bush calling Pakistani's "pakis" or using terms such as "This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while.", when he first refered to going after Al Qaeda. That's smart, using a term which recalls the Christians Medieval wars against Muslims in the so-called Holy Land. To put it bluntly, not the best choice of words. Or how about, "The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them." Basically saying that God is on the side of the U.S? What a idiotic president you have. Please, don't try to compare a hockey icon who isn't even a political figure in Canada to the president of the U.S. I don't think anyone in Canada expects Don Cherry to be too smart in his comments and views. But the president, that's another story... Frankly I've grown bored with this topic. Enough already...

HULK HOGAN

02-04-2003, 10:58 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mendieta
I'm taking about social segregation in the U.S. I've been to the U.S and all I've seen our Blacks hanging out with Blacks, Whites hanging out with Whites, Hispanics hanging out with Hispanics, etc, etc.... Sure this exists in every society to an extent but the U.S takes the trophy. . But, when you look at the rest of the U.S, there isn't all that much. Lastly I didn't call all Georgians honkeys, I called Ronnie Retard that, I quote, [B]I just happened to name Mexicans and African Americans cause they are two of the largest ethnic groups in the

You go to any major metropolitan city you'll see people intermingling. Philly, Miami, Chicago, LA i could go on are probably some of the most diverse places in the world. To say hispanics only talk to hispanics and blacks only talk to blacks, fine thats true with just about everybody. My italian parents mainly talk to italians. WHERE ISN'T THIS TRUE??? You said your from Spain i'll make a safe assumtion that most of your parents talk to Spanish people. If thats true than once again every society is segregated.

With your references about the shows friends etc... Americans don't look at color they look at quality. Heck my favorite show was the Cosby show their weren't many whites or hispanic's in i watched it anyways and so did most of the rest of America (mostly white) because it was a good show. The super bowl mainly consisted of blacks most americans didn't care we watched anyway. Americans really don't care as much about race as you think.

HULK HOGAN

02-04-2003, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Mendieta

Get your facts straight. I wasn't steroetyping all Georgians, just this idiotic one.
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Honky!!!! If you call someone a honky in the south the whole town would attempt to kill, they wouldn't believe your i was only refering to him stuff. I said honky in the south i would get shot probably. Same thing with the n... word and blakcs and using guinea for an italian. Those groups will be offended anyway

Ronnie Raygun

02-08-2003, 03:52 PM

If you were to say "honkey" in the south NOTHING would happen except for the fact that you'd get laughed at.

I always thought "cracker" was a much better racist slur against whites. I actually like it. I call a lot of my white friends "cracker" and a lot of my black friends "nigga". To us, it's all a big joke.

Thx Hulk, You pretty much kicked Mensdiet's ass.

I hope you had as much fun as I did.

He never could say how the U.S. killed millions of Arabs or where Bush called Indians "Indies".

Severus

02-08-2003, 06:06 PM

it's not the ethnic segregation that is troubling so long as there's parity in the living conditions.

in most cases in the US however, this is not the case and that is what the link i provided is trying to indicate to some of you narrowminded yanks if you were open to constructive criticism. since you're not however, all i can encourage y'all to do is continue living in your world of bliss.

as for mendieta, he was one person taking on a couple of americans and as far as i am concerned, he took you both to school.

Ronnie Raygun

02-09-2003, 11:20 AM

That's because you are obviously biased and wrong....as usual. You don't live here, you don't know.

The word "segregation" in NO way applies to the United States. Just as the word "honorable" in NO way applies to Canada.

Severus

02-09-2003, 07:38 PM

don't tell me that, go whine to the people who came up with that census report because i'm already convinced.

and in this day in age, one does not need to live in the US to know about their segregational tendencies. ever heard of the net ?

i do occasionally reside in pompano beach FLA though. so besides ignorance, what else do you have to base your point on ?

Ronnie Raygun

02-10-2003, 03:32 PM

First of all, why don't you stay the hell out of my country.

Second, are you suggesting that we should force people to live together who don't want to? That's sure what it sounds like.

There is no segregation in this country. If groups of people live together it's because they choose to.

barça

02-10-2003, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
First of all, why don't you stay the hell out of my country.

Ahh, the words of wise men. When the argument gets difficult, they kick you out of the room.:shocked:

Ronnie Raygun

02-10-2003, 06:21 PM

Sorry you got confused.

I never said off WSB.

You're not that clever...are you?

lili

02-10-2003, 06:46 PM

Here around is only one clever and that's Raygun freak!:rolling:

barça

02-10-2003, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
Sorry you got confused.

I never said off WSB.

You're not that clever...are you?

Ahh, the words of even wiser man, insult when things get more difficult:shocked:

Next, he will go and yell for his mommy to help him:D Or take the ball home, so no one can play:silly:

Mendieta

02-10-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Ronnie Raygun
Thx Hulk, You pretty much kicked Mensdiet's ass.

I hope you had as much fun as I did.

He never could say how the U.S. killed millions of Arabs or where Bush called Indians "Indies".

Ha, ha,ha... Yeah kicked my ass? You can't even spell Mendieta! Too cultural of a name for you? Mabye, John or Steve would be easier for you. What a retard you are. By the way Corky, no one kicked my ass above all not you! Hulk Hogan brought up some interesting points about segregation which I don't entirely disagree with however with you there is nothing to debate. I already answered you and it's not what you want to hear. So too bad. Cause everytime I put my arguements forth I get accused of not knowing what I'm talking about meanwhile you don't bring anything to the table except, "your a liar, that's not true". Ahhh, the true gift of debating. So I've decided you can go argue with yourself. Besides, I really don't give a rats ass what happens to your stupid country anymore. Why don't you stop pestering people and go marry one of your siblings. Ha, ha, ha....