Liverpool Transfer Rumors Thread

[Juan]

Liverpool has allowed Jari Litmanen to discuss terms with Galatasaray, who should give him more playing time than he had last season.

The player has admitted he was feeling "miserable" during the last season, however he hasn´t been told by Houllier that he´s out of the plans. In fact, Houllier might want to hang on to him.

The arrival of Diouf seems to have sealed Litmanen´s fate away from Anfield, and probably at the Ali Sami Yen, although Ajax made a bid for him earlier this summer.

Personally, I think it would be a mistake for Liverpool to let him go. Looking at Liverpool´s recent tactics, with three strikers, I think he could be the ideal player to play behind the main striking couple.

[Halifax FC]

Why are litmanen about to leave?
I dont understand it, why? A reason maybe that he is riding the bench, isn't it?

[Halifax FC]

He is going to leave Liverpool because he is riding the bench all the time, but he is a nice allround player, i dont hobe that he is leaveing Liverpool.....


Halifax FC

[soccer fanatic]

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[The Rule]

I think that the pool are still one or two players away from being a championship winning team.I'd like to see them sign Owen Hargreaves and play him at right-full and either Duff or Denilson(i can dream can't i)and play them left-wing with Diouff on th right wing where he belongs and Baros up front with owen

[tamachan]

I think Diouff should has more chance to play. That's all.

[theorist]

Hargreaves? Why?! Why not bring Fowler back?

[The Rule]

Originally posted by theorist
Hargreaves? Why?! Why not bring Fowler back?

Because Fowler isn't a right-full, you idiot.

[theorist]

Murphy, Diouf and Smicer can play right. We need a scorer and a solid defensive midfielder (can't think of anybody available).

The Rule: If you can't present your argument in a civilized manner, don't present it at all. I'm sure nobody would miss your enlightening football knowledge if you're kicked out of this board, as you would be on most boards for unprovoked personal insults.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by theorist
Murphy, Diouf and Smicer can play right. We need a scorer and a solid defensive midfielder (can't think of anybody available).

The Rule: If you can't present your argument in a civilized manner, don't present it at all. I'm sure nobody would miss your enlightening football knowledge if you're kicked out of this board, as you would be on most boards for unprovoked personal insults.

Can you tell me when Murphy,Diouff or Smicer have ever played right-back?????THEY ALL PLAY IN MIDFIELD OR UP FRONT,unless Babbel gets back to his best they need a player like Hargreaves,I do agree with you they need another Striker,Djibril Cisse??He's a class player,as far as the centre of midfield goes,we have Hamann,Gerrard,Daio,Murphy, and Biscan(i know he's crap but he's there)so we're fairly well covered,but Hargreaves can play there and Ballack was quoted as saying he's world-class both there and at full-back.Left wing is the main concern,along with a striker,Cisse and Duff would both be available

[hallee]

I really think you guys have just let go one of the best footballplayers in the world on a free transfer to ajax!!!

I really didn;t understood why barcelona chosed rivaldo for the first 11 and not litmanen....I mean rivaldo is really crap...but liverpool... what did liverpool thought when they put Litmanen on a free transfer to ajax!


You really could need him nowadays....!!!

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by hallee

You really could need him nowadays....!!!

For what? Being injured every day? :(

For Ajax is a different story. Even injured Litmanen is of great value. I hope Ajax gives him a chance to get a job inside the club after his retirement.

[theorist]

Personally, I suspect he's not all that good a player (regardless of what greedy traitor Ballack says). He is talanted, but he doesn't fit all that well in Bayern's team play. As for left wing - this is a common problem all over the world. There are few really good left-wingers. We could put Riise on that position, and Diouf played some left-wing for Senegal in the world cup (though he can play right wing too). We could buy Rosicky (he's true practical quality).
As for defensive (central) midfield: it's next to perfect on the paper, but sucks on the pitch. Gerrard is not experience enough to organize our game. Perhaps he could play right and leave the center to Hamman and perhaps Diao. What made us run in the 'trebble' season was McAllister. He's not too athletic or skillful, but he sure was a good captain. Hyypia can't run the gameplay from defense.
Last experimental suggestion for right-full: Xavier.

[soccer fanatic]

I think Liverpool needs a player who can create real chances, a creative midfielder with high technical skills.
Van Bommel is good for that, he isn`t just technical, but also good defensively and has a good shot and good football intellect.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by theorist
Personally, I suspect he's not all that good a player (regardless of what greedy traitor Ballack says). He is talanted, but he doesn't fit all that well in Bayern's team play. As for left wing - this is a common problem all over the world. There are few really good left-wingers. We could put Riise on that position, and Diouf played some left-wing for Senegal in the world cup (though he can play right wing too). We could buy Rosicky (he's true practical quality).
As for defensive (central) midfield: it's next to perfect on the paper, but sucks on the pitch. Gerrard is not experience enough to organize our game. Perhaps he could play right and leave the center to Hamman and perhaps Diao. What made us run in the 'trebble' season was McAllister. He's not too athletic or skillful, but he sure was a good captain. Hyypia can't run the gameplay from defense.
Last experimental suggestion for right-full: Xavier.

Have to agree with you about Gerrard,he doesn't seem to be himself this year,Hamann and Daio are good together but they need a creator(not van bommel)I like carrick or Dacourt for that role but they would both cost big money.

Not so sure about your Xavier idea,he got a chance playing right-back at the start of the season and didn't preform.It depends whether they want an out and out defender or someone who can attack,if they just want a defender,Babbel is back soon,but for someone who can attack as well, Steven Carr is a quality player.

Riise has stated that he wants to be a left-back,not a midfielder although i agree he's good in midfield,as for Diouff,he was really a lone striker who dropped out wide,kinda like Henry,but not as good

Rosicky is an awesome player,but he's more suited to a central free-role than a wide position,and he would prob cost around €20 million.Duff is better out-wide than him and would be a bit cheaper.

You mentioned the need for a striker in one of your posts,i still believe he should have got Anelka instead of Diouff,but i'd like to see him get Cisse from Auxerre,whenever i've seen him play(except for the world cup,but all the french players where poor)he's looked like the real deal to me.

So Carr,Dacourt,Duff and Cisse are who i'd like to see Houllier sign,of course he won't sign them all,but maybe one or two of them.

[Juan]

You already have a quite good playmaker: Cheyrou! Why isn´t eh getting more minutes? What I´ve seen of him has been impressive.

For central (defensive) midfield, the Diao/Hamann pairing is great, and when Gerrard gets back to full form, it would be great. However, Gerrard could play more in the right wing.

Too bad the Bowyer transfer fell, he would be ideal for a wide role.

Well, that´s it for the midfield, Liverpool´s troubled unit in my opinion.

[ItalianBoy]

Cheyrou is fukking awesome! I love the way this kid plays!

[theorist]

I think what we need is not cheap lovely kids, but spend some money on a really good player, like Rosicky or something like.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by theorist
I think what we need is not cheap lovely kids, but spend some money on a really good player, like Rosicky or something like.

Where would you play him?Out-wide or in a central role?

As for Cheyrou,Houllier has said that he's still getting used to the phsical side of the English game and will take time to adjust.He's right,remember when Pires came over first,he was just getting bullied off the pitch week after week,but then he got used to the tempo and roughness and he's one of the top five players in the league now.Give Bruno time,a player of his quality will come good

[Red-Kop]

What's a right full? Do you mean right winger? If so, Denilson and Duff are left wingers. I'd like to see Duff and van der Meyde at Anfield for next season.

[Red-Kop]

Mine Would Be......


GK: Kirkland
LB: Riise
RB: Babbel
CB: Hyypia
CB: Henchoz
LW: Duff
RW: van der Meyde
CM: Hamann
CM: Gerrard
ST: Baros
ST: Owen

We definitely need to bring width to the side, and Duff and van der Meyde would be perfect buys. Gerrard and Hamann can develop into one of the best midfield partnerships in Europe. Hamann doing the defensive duties, which he's world class at. Gerrard would benefit from having wingers in the side, as would the strikers, because it'd open our play up and give us more options, it would also create a lot more chances for the forwards. So therefore, Gerrard would use his phenomenal talent to be a great box-to-box player, a bit like Vieira is. I'm convinced the side that I listed above could be crowned European Champions of 2004!

[Red-Kop]

I'd love to see Duff and van der Meyde at Anfield for next season.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
What's a right full? Do you mean right winger? If so, Denilson and Duff are left wingers. I'd like to see Duff and van der Meyde at Anfield for next season.

Not very bright are you??are you and Maldini03 related??

A right-full is a right full-back.

They don't need a right-winger,Houllier just needs to give Diouff his chance out wide.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
I'd love to see Duff and van der Meyde at Anfield for next season.

The "WHAT DO LIVERPOOL NEED"thread already covers this.they should buy a right-full back and a winger like Denilson or Duff

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Mine Would Be......


GK: Kirkland
LB: Riise
RB: Babbel
CB: Hyypia
CB: Henchoz
LW: Duff
RW: van der Meyde
CM: Hamann
CM: Gerrard
ST: Baros
ST: Owen

We definitely need to bring width to the side, and Duff and van der Meyde would be perfect buys. Gerrard and Hamann can develop into one of the best midfield partnerships in Europe. Hamann doing the defensive duties, which he's world class at. Gerrard would benefit from having wingers in the side, as would the strikers, because it'd open our play up and give us more options, it would also create a lot more chances for the forwards. So therefore, Gerrard would use his phenomenal talent to be a great box-to-box player, a bit like Vieira is. I'm convinced the side that I listed above could be crowned European Champions of 2004!

How do manage to leave Dudek out of the team???You really are related to Maldini03.next you'll want us to buy Ronaldo nad erect a statue of Maldini

[The Rule]

______________________DUDEK_________________________

BABBEL_________HENCHOZ____HYYPIA___________RIISE_____


DIOUFF_______GERRARD_________HAMANN________DENILSON


______________BAROS___________OWEN_________________



I know there is ***k all chance of us getting Denilson but we all have our dreams

[Red-Kop]

The Rule, you're a ******! If Kirkland doesn't get first team football soon, he'll want to leave. I'd rather have him in goal than Dudek, for various reasons. His nationality, etc. Denilson wouldn't suit the English game. And he's one of the worst passers I've ever seen!

[Red-Kop]

A right full-back???? We've got a world class one in Babbel, and cover in Carragher and Xavier! Are you even a Liverpool fan?

[Red-Kop]

No one in England calls a right back, a right full! I'm not sure if Diouf would be any good on the right wing. And can you stop quoting me like the **** head you are!

[Red-Kop]

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[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
The Rule, you're a ******! If Kirkland doesn't get first team football soon, he'll want to leave. I'd rather have him in goal than Dudek, for various reasons. His nationality, etc. Denilson wouldn't suit the English game. And he's one of the worst passers I've ever seen!

You must never have seen him play then.How wouldn't he suit it,he's like a younger version of Giggs,does Giggs not suit the English game?And what has his nationality got to do with it??Dudek is one of the three best keepers in the world,and Kirkland has said he knows it'll be a couple of years before he gets his chance and he is prepared to wait,cos he's only 21

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
No one in England calls a right back, a right full! I'm not sure if Diouf would be any good on the right wing. And can you stop quoting me like the **** head you are!

That's how people reply to other peoples comments on this board you ***king little shit.Houllier calls them right-fulls,he said last week that on form "Marcus Babbel is the best right full in Europe"are you going to argue with our best manager since Paisley?

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
No one in England calls a right back, a right full! I'm not sure if Diouf would be any good on the right wing. And can you stop quoting me like the **** head you are!

And as for Diouff not being any good as a right winger,THAT'S WHERE HE WAS BOUGHT TO PLAY

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
A right full-back???? We've got a world class one in Babbel, and cover in Carragher and Xavier! Are you even a Liverpool fan?

Babbel is not the player he was before he got ill,no player can recover 100% from a lay-off like that(any doctor will tell you that),Xavier proved this year that he is a squad player at best,and Carragher is best at left-BACK,yes i know he's right-footed but his best season was the year we won the double,and does your little brain know where he played that year???

And yes i am a Liverpool fan,and have been for a lot longer than you i would say.

[Red-Kop]

How do you know Babbel can't get back to his best? Can you predict the future? No, didn't think so! Carragher is a right footed full back, therefore, he's obviously better at right back!

[Red-Kop]

Diouf was bought to play up-front. He had the intention of getting rid of Litmanen and Anelka. And he wasn't sure about Baros. Houllier definitely isn't the best manager since Paisley! Fagan and Dalgish are miles ahead of him. Maybe you should check out the Liverpool message boards on the official site, and see the **** written there about the so called greatest manager since Paisley!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Diouf was bought to play up-front. He had the intention of getting rid of Litmanen and Anelka. And he wasn't sure about Baros. Houllier definitely isn't the best manager since Paisley! Fagan and Dalgish are miles ahead of him. Maybe you should check out the Liverpool message boards on the official site, and see the **** written there about the so called greatest manager since Paisley!

Yeah it's written by retards like you,He said when he bought Diouff that he was planning on playing him wide with Owen and Heskey up front.Fagan was only in charge for a year and you might as well say Paisley was because it was the team that Shankly and Paisley built,Dalglish wasn't as good a manager as people say,he was happy when things were going weel,as soon as the success and he had some work to do,he left and bought the title with Blackburn.Houllier took over a poor team and has built a good one.

[Red-Kop]

You're the retard. You're so ******* arrogant and cocky, even though you're wrong almost all of the time!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
You're the retard. You're so ******* arrogant and cocky, even though you're wrong almost all of the time!

Ah don't get upset little boy,it's only a forum,and just because i'm right and your wrong and you have no testicles,it's no reason to cry

[Red-Kop]

You've said: Houllier is the best Liverpool manager since Paisley. Diouf was bought to be played as a right winger. And: Dalglish was a central midfielder. And you think I'm stupid?

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
You've said: Houllier is the best Liverpool manager since Paisley. Diouf was bought to be played as a right winger. And: Dalglish was a central midfielder. And you think I'm stupid?
I said he was an ATTACKING MIDFIELDER, Houllier said he bought Diouff to play him right-wing and it's a matter of opinion who was the better manager,but Fagan had nothing to do with the teams success,and he left after a year,Dalglish walked into the easiest job in football and when things started going wrong he ran away,Houllier on hte other hand took over a poor team and rebuilt it into one of the best teams in the country

[Red-Kop]

''Denilson is like a young Ryan Giggs'' Another stupid comment you've come out with. Of course nationality matters. The future of the English game is being affected by too many foreigners playing over here. Coventry's ex-goalkeeping coach said Kirkland can go on to be one of the best of all time! Á player like that should be playing by the time he's 21. Dudek has had a bad period. So it's totally justified that Kirkland should get his chance. If Dudek's bad form isn't a good enough reason, then nothing is.

[The Rule]

it's a proven fact that you can' recover 100% from an illnes like that,Tell me when Carragher has played as well as the treble season,and Denis Irwin was right-footed and he was best at left back

[Red-Kop]

Carragher is crap, full stop. It's not a proven fact. Give me some evidence, and I'll believe you.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Carragher is crap, full stop. It's not a proven fact. Give me some evidence, and I'll believe you.

Look at Morten Weighorst,he was a decent(i said decent not good)player before he got it and now he is awful.you said Carragher was a reason we didn't need a new full-back.

I'll tell you what go on google.com and type in guillon barren syndrome and read the articles by the people who know what they are talking about,you uneducated little shit

[Red-Kop]

My Auntie had it you dumb ***k! And it is possible for you to recover from it 100%, depending on what level you had.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
''Denilson is like a young Ryan Giggs'' Another stupid comment you've come out with. Of course nationality matters. The future of the English game is being affected by too many foreigners playing over here. Coventry's ex-goalkeeping coach said Kirkland can go on to be one of the best of all time! Á player like that should be playing by the time he's 21. Dudek has had a bad period. So it's totally justified that Kirkland should get his chance. If Dudek's bad form isn't a good enough reason, then nothing is.

He has made two mistakes in a year and a half,how is that reason to drop him,look at united, they could drop barthez after every game if that was the case,how does nationality matter to a club side,so you'd rather have unproven english players,who could be good, in the team then proven players from where-ever who are good,you'd make a great manager.Denilson is a class player,anyone who has seen him play regularly will tell you that

[The Rule]

and is your auntie a professional football player??no she's not,i didn't say he wouldn't be a normal person again you gimp,i said he wouldn't be the same player he was before,seriously go and look at google, they have some good articles about athletes who have got it and never been the same

[Red-Kop]

Denilson doesn't know how to use his flair to full effect, like Cole. His final ball is shit. And Kirkland isn't unproven. From the messages you've posted, I can tell you're definitely not English.

[Red-Kop]

In his come back match in the league against Sunderland, he was one of our best players! Same when he played in the League Cup. You're the one that hasn't got a clue.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Denilson doesn't know how to use his flair to full effect, like Cole. His final ball is shit. And Kirkland isn't unproven. From the messages you've posted, I can tell you're definitely not English.

What difference does that make??doesn't know how to use his flair and his final ball is shit??have you seen him in the past two years??

[Red-Kop]

Yeh I have, you obviously haven't!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
In his come back match in the league against Sunderland, he was one of our best players! Same when he played in the League Cup. You're the one that hasn't got a clue.

One of our best players??the defense had nothing to do in that game,and the league cup game is a poor way to judge a player,i mean Biscan was excellent the night as well

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Yeh I have, you obviously haven't!

jesus i was at the world cup and saw most of brazils games and any time he was on the pitch,he had the crowd buzzing.i was at two betis games last year and he was man of the match both times.and i watched la liga on sunday and he was excellent against Athletico

[Red-Kop]

He was getting forward and providing all our width.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
He was getting forward and providing all our width. against sunderland??i was at the game and we had no width,that was half the problem, he was launching in crosses all right but they weren't very good,and he was tired after an hour

[Red-Kop]

He was crap up until last season for Betis. His final ball is rubbish, and he over does things, which costs the team chances.

[Red-Kop]

Houllier never said he bought Diouf to play him as a right winger. He said he'd consider doing it. Houllier plays defensive and boring football. I'm not sure, along with loads of other people, whether he can take the team on to the next level. After all, getting knocked out the Champions League was disastrous.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Houllier never said he bought Diouf to play him as a right winger. He said he'd consider doing it. Houllier plays defensive and boring football. I'm not sure, along with loads of other people, whether he can take the team on to the next level. After all, getting knocked out the Champions League was disastrous. yeah he did,in an article in four-four-two,i think it was the october issue.Man Utd went out in the CL early for a few years in a row and then went on to win it,Arsenal didn't do well the first two years either,give them a chance will you

[Red-Kop]

That's way too harsh! You're making it sound like he had a crap game. But he was actually one of our best players!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
He was crap up until last season for Betis. His final ball is rubbish, and he over does things, which costs the team chances.

Exactly he was playing crap,but last saeson and this season he has been brilliant for them,he doesnt' over do things any more because he doesn't have to,and as for his final ball....he lead la liga in assists last season and is second this season

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
That's way too harsh! You're making it sound like he had a crap game. But he was actually one of our best players!

No he was average,the entire team was poor,he was better than most of them but that's not saying a lot,he was poor against Fulham

[theorist]

"Are you even a Liverpool fan?" (adressed to The Rule by Red Kop).
Been on my mind too. I think The Rule is just one of those football speculators who come to advertise and repute players instead of thinking how and hoping that the team is going to improve.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by theorist
"Are you even a Liverpool fan?" (adressed to The Rule by Red Kop).
Been on my mind too. I think The Rule is just one of those football speculators who come to advertise and repute players instead of thinking how and hoping that the team is going to improve.

I'm surprised an uneducated little fool like you can spell the word speculator,especially when you can't ADDRESSED,Theorist you are roundly despised on these boards, for being a racist and constantly making gay references to "cute"players as you like to call them.I do not advertise players i merely point out what players would suit a certain system.Liverpool use over-lapping fullbacks,so I made the point that Hargreaves would suit the system,since that's what he does very well for Munich.They also require a quality left-winger,Denilson is among the best in the world in that position,plus with his contract up in 2004,Betis may be looking to sell him,rather than lose him on a free transfer.

Red- Kop is about as intelligent as a packets of peanuts,he has no knowledge of either the current game,the history of Liverpool or does he accept proven medical facts.

[Juan]

1st: Denilson was nowhere near leading the Liga on assists. He had only 6. Depor´s Victor leaded with 11, followed by De Pedro and Rayo´s Michel with 10.

2nd: My team

Variation 1

----------------------------Dudek--------------------------
Babbel------------Henchoz----Hyppia--------Riise-----
Gerrard/Bowyer-Hamann---Diao/Gerrard--Cheyrou/Duff
-------------------Diouf/Baros-----Owen-----------------

Variation 2

---------------------------Dudek--------------------------
Babbel--------------Henchoz---Hyppia--------Riise--
----------Gerrard--------Hamann----Cheyrou/Bowyer
---------------Diouf-----------------Owen/Duff---------
------------------------Baros/Owen---------------------

[BLAUGRANA]

Interesting choice in Andy van der Meyde. Koeman wanted to sell him this past summer, but he's doing well for Ajax. I hope they keep him.

[BLAUGRANA]

This is the Red Kop vs the Rule thread. Keep this up and you guys will be bigger than Ali-Frazier.

If Liverpool buy players like they did this summer, they'll be doing well. I think they need better wing players and another CB. Exactly who, I don't know.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Juan
1st: Denilson was nowhere near leading the Liga on assists. He had only 6. Depor´s Victor leaded with 11, followed by De Pedro and Rayo´s Michel with 10.

2nd: My team

Variation 1

----------------------------Dudek--------------------------
Babbel------------Henchoz----Hyppia--------Riise-----
Gerrard/Bowyer-Hamann---Diao/Gerrard--Cheyrou/Duff
-------------------Diouf/Baros-----Owen-----------------

Variation 2

---------------------------Dudek--------------------------
Babbel--------------Henchoz---Hyppia--------Riise--
----------Gerrard--------Hamann----Cheyrou/Bowyer
---------------Diouf-----------------Owen/Duff---------
------------------------Baros/Owen---------------------

First,you should check those glasses,he had 14 assists in the league last year,second your first team is ok,but they won't sign Bowyer,you second team isn't the best

[The Rule]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
Interesting choice in Andy van der Meyde. Koeman wanted to sell him this past summer, but he's doing well for Ajax. I hope they keep him.

There's talk that Betis might move for him if Joaquin leaves,he'd be a good replacement for them,rumours of a Liverpool possibly making a move for Rommedahl during the transfer window.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by The Rule

,rumours of a Liverpool possibly making a move for Rommedahl during the transfer window.

Would be a good move, he improved a lot the last two years.
He is better than Gronkjaer. I have to correct that, he is better than Gronkjaer since he joined Chelsea.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
This is the Red Kop vs the Rule thread. Keep this up and you guys will be bigger than Ali-Frazier.

If Liverpool buy players like they did this summer, they'll be doing well. I think they need better wing players and another CB. Exactly who, I don't know.

Yes i'm Ali,intelligent,articulate and the Greatest of All Time,He's Frazier,illiterate,ugly and inbred.

As for what they need,Iheard that they might sign Rommedahl after Christmas,then get Duff in the summer and a right back,they have enough cover at CB,Hyypia,Henchoz,Traore,Babbel,Xavier,Carragher,Biscan and Daio.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


Would be a good move, he improved a lot the last two years.
He is better than Gronkjaer. I have to correct that, he is better than Gronkjaer since he joined Chelsea.

That's because Gronkjaer is only interested in how much he gets paid and not how the team plays,he was a potential world beater at Ajax but now he has trouble beating himself,he always seems to trip over his own feet.

I suppose the case could be made that he's had a lot of injuries and maybe lost a bit of his pace,but i still don't think he's half the player he was at ajax,and even for denmark before he went to chelsea.

[Red-Kop]

Rommedahl's final ball isn't that good. How much would van der Meyde cost?

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Rommedahl's final ball isn't that good. How much would van der Meyde cost?

What is it with you and this final ball shit??Rommedahl is an excellent crosser of the ball.Have you ever been to see him play?

Van Der Meyde would cost anywhere between €10million and €15 million,depending on whether there are a couple of clubs going for him or not,but don't get your hopes up,Houllier is a big fan of Rommedahl nad if it comes down to it,Rommedahl,is a better crosser of a ball, a more natural winger and he's an established international,Van der Meyde always seems to drift way to far infield and he is very inconsistent and his "final ball isn't that good"

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


What is it with you and this final ball shit??Rommedahl is an excellent crosser of the ball.Have you ever been to see him play?

Van Der Meyde would cost anywhere between €10million and €15 million,depending on whether there are a couple of clubs going for him or not,but don't get your hopes up,Houllier is a big fan of Rommedahl nad if it comes down to it,Rommedahl,is a better crosser of a ball, a more natural winger and he's an established international,Van der Meyde always seems to drift way to far infield and he is very inconsistent and his "final ball isn't that good"

What is it with me and this final ball shit? Everyone knows Denilson's final ball isn't as good as it should be. Rommedahl is no way near as good as you're making out at crossing the ball. I'd pick van der Meyde over Rommedahl any day.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


What is it with me and this final ball shit? Everyone knows Denilson's final ball isn't as good as it should be. Rommedahl is no way near as good as you're making out at crossing the ball. I'd pick van der Meyde over Rommedahl any day.

well you are an imbecile who hasn't a clue.Rommedahl is as good a crosser of the ball as you are likely to find anywhere in Europe,Denilson is another excellent crosser of a ball,and in case you didn't know,WINGERS ARE ON THE FIELD TO PUT IN CROSSES,if you name me one winger in the history of soccer who found his target with every cross he put in i'll never post here again.and VDM is a not exactly the greatest crosser of a ball.you were giving out about denilson over doing things,and yet you want us to sign Andy "why beat two men and cross the ball,when i can beat three and lose it"van der meyde???brilliant logic there!!

How much do you even know about Van Der Meyde or Rommedahl??have you ever seen them play,and not just the crap you get on Euro-goals or some muck high-light programme like that(CL REVIEW ON ITV DOESN'T COUNT COS IT'S REAL BAD) VDM is a good player who will be a great player,but unless Liverpool are definitly going to sign an out and out left winger then he's not the right player,he's like a more skillfull version of Bowyer(or a fancier version of Murphy),he plays best on the right of a three man midfield.we need a real winger,like giggs or robert on one wing and then you could have your play-maker,but a winger is first priority so Rommedahl is a better option than VDM,with Cheyrou as the play-maker on the left.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


well you are an imbecile who hasn't a clue.Rommedahl is as good a crosser of the ball as you are likely to find anywhere in Europe,Denilson is another excellent crosser of a ball,and in case you didn't know,WINGERS ARE ON THE FIELD TO PUT IN CROSSES,if you name me one winger in the history of soccer who found his target with every cross he put in i'll never post here again.and VDM is a not exactly the greatest crosser of a ball.you were giving out about denilson over doing things,and yet you want us to sign Andy "why beat two men and cross the ball,when i can beat three and lose it"van der meyde???brilliant logic there!!

How much do you even know about Van Der Meyde or Rommedahl??have you ever seen them play,and not just the crap you get on Euro-goals or some muck high-light programme like that(CL REVIEW ON ITV DOESN'T COUNT COS IT'S REAL BAD) VDM is a good player who will be a great player,but unless Liverpool are definitly going to sign an out and out left winger then he's not the right player,he's like a more skillfull version of Bowyer(or a fancier version of Murphy),he plays best on the right of a three man midfield.we need a real winger,like giggs or robert on one wing and then you could have your play-maker,but a winger is first priority so Rommedahl is a better option than VDM,with Cheyrou as the play-maker on the left.

van der Meyde is a right winger. Murphy isn't a proper winger. van der Meyde ''used'' to loose the ball quite a bit, but he's improved on that. I never said Denilson wasn't a good crosser of the ball, i said his passing was shit, as in, he'd go round 3 players, then completely cock his pass up that would of set up a goal. Man Utd were chasing van der Meyde last season, the figure being banded around was 15 million. Rommedahl isn't world class, there'd be no point in sigining him. van der Meyde can become world class. Jorgensen from Udinese would be a better buy than Rommedahl.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


van der Meyde is a right winger. Murphy isn't a proper winger. van der Meyde ''used'' to loose the ball quite a bit, but he's improved on that. I never said Denilson wasn't a good crosser of the ball, i said his passing was shit, as in, he'd go round 3 players, then completely cock his pass up that would of set up a goal. Man Utd were chasing van der Meyde last season, the figure being banded around was 15 million. Rommedahl isn't world class, there'd be no point in sigining him. van der Meyde can become world class. Jorgensen from Udinese would be a better buy than Rommedahl.

Oh yeah you know your stuff,go to the dutch league page,and say what you've said about rommedahl and you'll be laughed at,jorgensen is a midfielder who rommedahl keeps out of the danish team you sap.Why would United chase VDM when they have Beckham???Everyone who has seen VDM play knows he's prefers to play infield .

AND A WINGERS FINAL BALL IS A CROSS UNLESS HE GOES INFIELD WHICH DENILSON RARELY DOES COS IT'S NOT HIS JOB,AND EVEN IF HE DOES HE RARELY HITS A STRAY PASS

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


Oh yeah you know your stuff,go to the dutch league page,and say what you've said about rommedahl and you'll be laughed at,jorgensen is a midfielder who rommedahl keeps out of the danish team you sap.Why would United chase VDM when they have Beckham???Everyone who has seen VDM play knows he's prefers to play infield .

AND A WINGERS FINAL BALL IS A CROSS UNLESS HE GOES INFIELD WHICH DENILSON RARELY DOES COS IT'S NOT HIS JOB,AND EVEN IF HE DOES HE RARELY HITS A STRAY PASS

You're problem is you think you're right all the time, but it just comes across as you being cocky and ignorant.

Jorgensen is the first choice winger for Denmark, I'm talking to a Dane over MSN now, and he's telling me that Jorgensen is the best Danish winger. Everyone knows van der Meyde is a right winger. ''Why were Man Utd chasing van der Meyde if they have Beckham''? Because Man Utd need a bigger squad. van der Meyde can also play as a forward, so he'd play where he'd be needed. :rolleyes: You really are a stupid ***k!

[Juan]

Originally posted by The Rule
First,you should check those glasses,he had 14 assists in the league last year

What´s your source? Mine is Don Balon´s Extra Liga for this season, with all kinds of data about last one.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Juan


What´s your source? Mine is Don Balon´s Extra Liga for this season, with all kinds of data about last one.

Mine is the fact that he got an award for it at the awards ceremony,maybe it was all comps,but then Betis didn't do great in the cups last year did they.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


You're problem is you think you're right all the time, but it just comes across as you being cocky and ignorant.

Jorgensen is the first choice winger for Denmark, I'm talking to a Dane over MSN now, and he's telling me that Jorgensen is the best Danish winger. Everyone knows van der Meyde is a right winger. ''Why were Man Utd chasing van der Meyde if they have Beckham''? Because Man Utd need a bigger squad. van der Meyde can also play as a forward, so he'd play where he'd be needed. :rolleyes: You really are a stupid ***k!

When it comes to arguing with you, i am right, Jorgensen is not first choice and he's there third best winger,Rommedahl plays right wing and gronkjaer plays left,with Graveson and Tofting in the middle,very convenient that you happened to be talking to the Dane at the time you posted that.he mustn't know to much to say that Jorgensen is in the team ahead of Rommedahl.,if Van der meyde is a right winger,why does he play on the right side of a three man midfield(yes he played up front last night,but only cos the big man wasn't fully fit)??can't a winger if the team doesn't play wingers can he you sad little shit and Ferguson is not going to go and spent fifteen million on a sub either you muppet,as far as right wing goes for United,they have Beckham and Chadwick and last seson they had plenty of cover up front(where VDM looks so out of place) so don't talk out of your arse,United were linked with Van Der Vaart last season,not Van Der Meyde and if Liverpool are going to sign anyone from Ajax it should be VDV,he's a far better player than VDM.

You really should get out all your facts before you start arguing with people who have a far greater knowledge of the game and have been watching the game a lot longer then you.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


When it comes to arguing with you, i am right, Jorgensen is not first choice and he's there third best winger,Rommedahl plays right wing and gronkjaer plays left,with Graveson and Tofting in the middle,very convenient that you happened to be talking to the Dane at the time you posted that.he mustn't know to much to say that Jorgensen is in the team ahead of Rommedahl.,if Van der meyde is a right winger,why does he play on the right side of a three man midfield(yes he played up front last night,but only cos the big man wasn't fully fit)??can't a winger if the team doesn't play wingers can he you sad little shit and Ferguson is not going to go and spent fifteen million on a sub either you muppet,as far as right wing goes for United,they have Beckham and Chadwick and last seson they had plenty of cover up front(where VDM looks so out of place) so don't talk out of your arse,United were linked with Van Der Vaart last season,not Van Der Meyde and if Liverpool are going to sign anyone from Ajax it should be VDV,he's a far better player than VDM.

You really should get out all your facts before you start arguing with people who have a far greater knowledge of the game and have been watching the game a lot longer then you.

It's obvious you know absolutely ***k all about English clubs apart from Liverpool! He was linked with van der Meyde, not van der Vaart. Man Utd were also linked with Kewell. Why? Because he needs a bigger squad! And he wouldn't be a sub, there's always injuries, players needing a rest, or players out of form! You're such a dumb ***k! You're always completely ***king wrong!

Jorgensen is first choice for Denmark, he wasn't in the World Cup because he wasn't fully fit.

I'm ''always'' right when it comes to arguing with you, you haven't been right once!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


It's obvious you know absolutely ***k all about English clubs apart from Liverpool! He was linked with van der Meyde, not van der Vaart. Man Utd were also linked with Kewell. Why? Because he needs a bigger squad! And he wouldn't be a sub, there's always injuries, players needing a rest, or players out of form! You're such a dumb ***k! You're always completely ***king wrong!

Jorgensen is first choice for Denmark, he wasn't in the World Cup because he wasn't fully fit.

I'm ''always'' right when it comes to arguing with you, you haven't been right once!

He was linked with Van der Vaart because he wanted to buy a left sided player and move Giggs up front you stupid little shit,that's why he was linked with Kewell,but there was never any real interest in Kewell because Leeds wanted to much for him,the only Leeds player he was ever really interested inwas Rio.His squad was never going to be made bigger last season becasue he wasn't going to be given any more money after being given the money for Veron and Van Nistelrooy.

He would have been a sub when they had there full team out you retard,BUT THE FACT THAT THEY NEVER WANTED MEANS IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.

He wasn't first choice in the World Cup qualifiers either,and the only reason he's played recently was cos Gronkjaer is hurt .

You really should check your sources before you start arguing about things you have no idea about,especially other clubs since you have no idea about your own club.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


He was linked with Van der Vaart because he wanted to buy a left sided player and move Giggs up front you stupid little shit,that's why he was linked with Kewell,but there was never any real interest in Kewell because Leeds wanted to much for him,the only Leeds player he was ever really interested inwas Rio.His squad was never going to be made bigger last season becasue he wasn't going to be given any more money after being given the money for Veron and Van Nistelrooy.

He would have been a sub when they had there full team out you retard,BUT THE FACT THAT THEY NEVER WANTED MEANS IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.

He wasn't first choice in the World Cup qualifiers either,and the only reason he's played recently was cos Gronkjaer is hurt .

You really should check your sources before you start arguing about things you have no idea about,especially other clubs since you have no idea about your own club.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA There you go again thinking you're right! I know what i saw you dumb ***k! I saw it in the Papers and on the net! You said he'd be on the bench....One question for you - Do you know how squads work?

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA There you go again thinking you're right! I know what i saw you dumb ***k! I saw it in the Papers and on the net! You said he'd be on the bench....One question for you - Do you know how squads work?

WHEN THEY PLAY THERE FULL TEAM,WITH BECKHAM,KEANE,VERON,GIGGS,SCHOLES AND VAN NISTELROOY IN IT,VAN DER MEYDE WOULD BE ON THE BENCH YOU STUPID LITTLE SHIT

Last year United didn't rest players in last few months of the season,because they had a battle on their hands with Liverpool and Arsenal for the league,and you don't rest your best players in the latter rounds of the champions league,so yeah he would have been on the bench.

Let me guess,you read it in the Sun or the News of the World or some other reliable source like that.And on the net i bet you read it on soccerage.com or tribalfootball,either that or one of the gimps on the "official site"told you that,do you know how much shit they post on that,during the summer,someone on the official site said it was 99% certain that we were selling Hamann to Madrid in exchange for Helguira,that was likely to happen wasn't it,and both of those websites had OWEN IN SWAP FOR TREZEGUET as there headlines for weeks,talking about how negotiations were at an advanced stage and trezeguet was in merseyside discussing terms,and on the same day he was in Liverpool,he was in America on his holidays,don't believe the shit you read on websites or bullshit papers,especially when they say a "club source" or something like that,when a club comes out and expresses an interest,then believe it.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


WHEN THEY PLAY THERE FULL TEAM,WITH BECKHAM,KEANE,VERON,GIGGS,SCHOLES AND VAN NISTELROOY IN IT,VAN DER MEYDE WOULD BE ON THE BENCH YOU STUPID LITTLE SHIT

Last year United didn't rest players in last few months of the season,because they had a battle on their hands with Liverpool and Arsenal for the league,and you don't rest your best players in the latter rounds of the champions league,so yeah he would have been on the bench.

Let me guess,you read it in the Sun or the News of the World or some other reliable source like that.And on the net i bet you read it on soccerage.com or tribalfootball,either that or one of the gimps on the "official site"told you that,do you know how much shit they post on that,during the summer,someone on the official site said it was 99% certain that we were selling Hamann to Madrid in exchange for Helguira,that was likely to happen wasn't it,and both of those websites had OWEN IN SWAP FOR TREZEGUET as there headlines for weeks,talking about how negotiations were at an advanced stage and trezeguet was in merseyside discussing terms,and on the same day he was in Liverpool,he was in America on his holidays,don't believe the shit you read on websites or bullshit papers,especially when they say a "club source" or something like that,when a club comes out and expresses an interest,then believe it.

Why the ***k are you making a big deal out of this? I only mentioned van der Meyde had been linked with Man Utd to show you that vdm can't be that bad after all. It's obvious you don't know how a squad works.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


Why the ***k are you making a big deal out of this? I only mentioned van der Meyde had been linked with Man Utd to show you that vdm can't be that bad after all. It's obvious you don't know how a squad works.

I didn't make a big deal out of it,you said that he was linked,i made the point that they weren't interested in him,it was speculation and you started talking out of your arse.

I would reckon that you have no idea how good or bad VDM is and that someone mentioned him on the official site so you put it here.he's not a proven player yet,and we need players for now,not in a couple of years.Houllier can't afford to wait two or three years for players to mature,because then players like hyypia,henchoz and hamann will be past there best,and we'll have more holes to fill than we have now.he must buy proven players even it means spending more money.

And whether you rate Rommedahl or not,he is a proven player, first choice for his country, a natural winger,which is what we need, and a better player at the moment than VDM.VDM may become a better player in a couple of years,but we need someone who can make a difference immediately and Rommedahl can do that more effectively than VDM

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


I didn't make a big deal out of it,you said that he was linked,i made the point that they weren't interested in him,it was speculation and you started talking out of your arse.

I would reckon that you have no idea how good or bad VDM is and that someone mentioned him on the official site so you put it here.he's not a proven player yet,and we need players for now,not in a couple of years.Houllier can't afford to wait two or three years for players to mature,because then players like hyypia,henchoz and hamann will be past there best,and we'll have more holes to fill than we have now.he must buy proven players even it means spending more money.

And whether you rate Rommedahl or not,he is a proven player, first choice for his country, a natural winger,which is what we need, and a better player at the moment than VDM.VDM may become a better player in a couple of years,but we need someone who can make a difference immediately and Rommedahl can do that more effectively than VDM

van der Meyde isn't even my first choice, it's Duff by a mile. van der Meyde is just an idea. You go around saying you know everything about football, i bet i know a lot more than you, and you're making me laugh with all the shit you're posting.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


van der Meyde isn't even my first choice, it's Duff by a mile. van der Meyde is just an idea. You go around saying you know everything about football, i bet i know a lot more than you, and you're making me laugh with all the shit you're posting.

VDM is a bad idea,Duff has been talked about for two years and if he doesn't come next summer he probably won't come at all because Houllier is likely to buy someone either in the winter or next summer,if he wants someone at Christmas,it should be someone who hasn't played in Europe this year,so he can play in the UEFA.that rules out Duff, VDM and Rommedahl, but Trevor Sinclair wouldn't be a bad buy,he can play wide on both sides,he wouldn't cost all that much, and he's proven himself in the EPL,and then they could get Duff in the summer

you know very little about liverpools' history and english football in general and you know nothing about european football,and as for you knowing more than me,go check some of my posts on the Real page,especially under "greatest Madrid player ever"and look at how many people agree with what i have to say

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


VDM is a bad idea,Duff has been talked about for two years and if he doesn't come next summer he probably won't come at all because Houllier is likely to buy someone either in the winter or next summer,if he wants someone at Christmas,it should be someone who hasn't played in Europe this year,so he can play in the UEFA.that rules out Duff, VDM and Rommedahl, but Trevor Sinclair wouldn't be a bad buy,he can play wide on both sides,he wouldn't cost all that much, and he's proven himself in the EPL,and then they could get Duff in the summer

you know very little about liverpools' history and english football in general and you know nothing about european football,and as for you knowing more than me,go check some of my posts on the Real page,especially under "greatest Madrid player ever"and look at how many people agree with what i have to say

Duff hasn't been talked about for 2 years, the speculation only really started in the summer.

Sinclair would be a bad buy because he's about 30 and would cost too much.

I know very little about Liverpool's history, English football and European football?? What the ***k are you talking about! I know loads more than you.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


Duff hasn't been talked about for 2 years, the speculation only really started in the summer.

Sinclair would be a bad buy because he's about 30 and would cost too much.

I know very little about Liverpool's history, English football and European football?? What the ***k are you talking about! I know loads more than you.

spoken like a true 14 year old.yeah your knowledge astounds me,

Duff was linked with Liverpool after he first broke into the Irish team,that's over two years ago,it's actually closer to three at this stage.Sinclair is 29,and would only cost around £5million.and he's a top-class player.so how would that be a bad buy?

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


spoken like a true 14 year old.yeah your knowledge astounds me,

Duff was linked with Liverpool after he first broke into the Irish team,that's over two years ago,it's actually closer to three at this stage.Sinclair is 29,and would only cost around £5million.and he's a top-class player.so how would that be a bad buy?

First of all, I'm 16.

Sinclair isn't a top class player, and we might aswell use that money to put towards a younger and better player.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


First of all, I'm 16.

Sinclair isn't a top class player, and we might aswell use that money to put towards a younger and better player.

YOU'RE 16!!!!!!!and you try to tell me you know more about this club then me??good lad!!!go back to school will you

Trevor Sinclair has consistantly been one of the best performers in the EPL over the past few years,and was one of Englands better players in the World Cup,so that shows how much you know about him. If you can name me a better player in england,who isn't cup-tied in europe,and would available for £4-5 million at christmas,then you put his name up here on the board.

and Sinclair is the type of player who actually gets better as he gets older.like Hamann and Di Canio and many others so his being 29 doesn't come into,especially since we had an £8 million bid turned down last february

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


YOU'RE 16!!!!!!!and you try to tell me you know more about this club then me??good lad!!!go back to school will you

Trevor Sinclair has consistantly been one of the best performers in the EPL over the past few years,and was one of Englands better players in the World Cup,so that shows how much you know about him. If you can name me a better player in england,who isn't cup-tied in europe,and would available for £4-5 million at christmas,then you put his name up here on the board.

and Sinclair is the type of player who actually gets better as he gets older.like Hamann and Di Canio and many others so his being 29 doesn't come into,especially since we had an £8 million bid turned down last february

Oh Yeah....like you didn't know i was 16 :rolleyes:, all you have to do is look at my profile, which you more than likely already have.

Sinclair is a good player, but definitely not one of the Premiership's best. You think you know more about English football than me, one question - Do you even live in England?

Sinclair is a winger, how the hell is he going to get better with age :rolleyes:

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


Oh Yeah....like you didn't know i was 16 :rolleyes:, all you have to do is look at my profile, which you more than likely already have.

Sinclair is a good player, but definitely not one of the Premiership's best. You think you know more about English football than me, one question - Do you even live in England?

Sinclair is a winger, how the hell is he going to get better with age :rolleyes:

I was born in england and lived there for 17 years,the fact that i don't live there now,has no impact on my knowledge of english football you tool,i bet i still go to more games than you,plus,we have the same sites and papers as you have there,so it's not like i miss out on any "red-hot news"

Sinclair was never a speedy player,he was quick but not a flyer and he's as quick know as he was at Blackpool,and he's a very skillfull player and he scores a lot of great goals and you still haven't named a player who would be a better buy at that price

[zaccus]

or how about gh's picks over the summer come good and cheyrou becomes the best left winger of all time and you 2 stop arguing

[The Rule]

Originally posted by zaccus
or how about gh's picks over the summer come good and cheyrou becomes the best left winger of all time and you 2 stop arguing

As good as cheyrou will be,doubt he's gonna be better than best of cruyff.so no chance of that,and we'd still need a right winger

[The Rule]

I've been talking to one or two people on other forums today,who think that given liverpools, keeper,defense,central midfield and the potential of the owen-baros partnership,they should try to emulate the Arsenal style of play,with a playmaker in a wide role,and a out-to-in player on the other side,and with bowyer on a free in the summer,maybe a huge bid for Rosicky is called for,

also read on some Bayern Munich site that(can't remember the name,it in german though) Hargreaves could come to liverpool for £5million and babbel,can't see this happening unless babbel wants to go home,but he seems happy.

i can just see theorist telling us all how "cute" a player hargreaves is,and that he's just average

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule
I've been talking to one or two people on other forums today,who think that given liverpools, keeper,defense,central midfield and the potential of the owen-baros partnership,they should try to emulate the Arsenal style of play,with a playmaker in a wide role,and a out-to-in player on the other side,and with bowyer on a free in the summer,maybe a huge bid for Rosicky is called for,

also read on some Bayern Munich site that(can't remember the name,it in german though) Hargreaves could come to liverpool for £5million and babbel,can't see this happening unless babbel wants to go home,but he seems happy.

i can just see theorist telling us all how "cute" a player hargreaves is,and that he's just average

The sound of Rosicky and Bowyer playing in the same roles as Pires and Ljungberg do at Arsenal, and Gerrard and Hamann in the centre sounds like it'd be perfect.

My question is, how good will Hargreaves be at right back. If he could settle in there, i think he'd be a great signing.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


The sound of Rosicky and Bowyer playing in the same roles as Pires and Ljungberg do at Arsenal, and Gerrard and Hamann in the centre sounds like it'd be perfect.

My question is, how good will Hargreaves be at right back. If he could settle in there, i think he'd be a great signing.

well he's done well there at bayern,and if he could get a good run at liverpool,he'd definitly be englands number 2.

it would be a perfect midfield,especially since it's very young with the exception of hamann,but he'll stick around for a cuple more years and then Le Tallac will take his place in midfield

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by The Rule


I was born in england and lived there for 17 years,the fact that i don't live there now,has no impact on my knowledge of english football you tool,i bet i still go to more games than you,plus,we have the same sites and papers as you have there,so it's not like i miss out on any "red-hot news"

Sinclair was never a speedy player,he was quick but not a flyer and he's as quick know as he was at Blackpool,and he's a very skillfull player and he scores a lot of great goals and you still haven't named a player who would be a better buy at that price

I haven't named a player because i'm not interested in Sinclair.

Yeah, you do go to more games than me if you go to every home game of the season. I'm going to get a season ticket when i can. But i've heard the waiting que is massive and i might have to wait until the new stadium is built!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


I haven't named a player because i'm not interested in Sinclair.

Yeah, you do go to more games than me if you go to every home game of the season. I'm going to get a season ticket when i can. But i've heard the waiting que is massive and i might have to wait until the new stadium is built!

a friend of mine who works in the ticket office was saying something about the first few years at the new one being sold out.but others have said different.

but in that stadium i want to see..........

------------------------DUDEK---------------------------

HARGREAVES----HENCHOZ---HYPPIA--------RIISE----

BOWYER------GERRARD---------HAMANN---ROSICKY

------------BAROS--------------OWEN-------------

[zaccus]

i dont watch a lot from germany, but in last years cl didnt owen h play a lot in the central midfield...i thot he was supposed to take over from effenberg

[The Rule]

Originally posted by zaccus
i dont watch a lot from germany, but in last years cl didnt owen h play a lot in the central midfield...i thot he was supposed to take over from effenberg

he played wing back last year,he was meant to take over but from effa,but they changed to four four two in order top accomadate ballack,jeremies,ze roberto and deisler in the one team

[Paba]

Litmanen isn't really injury prone. And I mean seriously, why did Houllier even grab him from Barca for nothing?
Ok, he's injured during the UEFA Cup games and he never gets a second chance. So much for squad rotation Gerard.

[soccer fanatic]

He is injured a lot in this season, but we knew that, Litmanen has done things for us in other ways too. Fans are happy with his presence, he can teach young players, he is good for merchandising and promotion of the club.

He is simply a legend for Ajax who means a lot for us even if he is injured, for liverpool he is just another player. Loved, but not the same way as in Holland. Litmanen is the personification of the Ajax in the nineties.

[zaccus]

thx

[diesler]

i am new here and saw a "who should pool buy " thread.. so i thought i'd do this

my suggestion is XAVIER, that guy is utter crap and when was the last time that scouser even started a match??

get some money for him before the rest of the world learns he is crap (even portugal wont start him anymore)

[theorist]

Hi, Deisler, welcome aboard.
My suggestion would be Diouf, because he is overrated so we can get a good deal.

[zaccus]

xavier has been injured and diouf just needs some time... he cant even speak english yet!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by diesler
i am new here and saw a "who should pool buy " thread.. so i thought i'd do this

my suggestion is XAVIER, that guy is utter crap and when was the last time that scouser even started a match??

get some money for him before the rest of the world learns he is crap (even portugal wont start him anymore)

this a really good thread man,congrats and welcome to the board.

I'd have to say,Biscan,Xavier, Smicer, and Heskey for starters,Berger will leave next summer on a free.Arphexad will prob go as well.Murphy could be a surprise to go if they get quality wide players.

Theorist said Diouff,but like Zaccus they need to give him time,and let him play in a wide role,rather than sticking up front.

Agree on Xavier,he sucks.

[theorist]

Murphy has been really helpful to us, and Diouf hasn't. So if you ask me, sell the latter, we can get a better sum for him. But perhaps Zaccus's right. Let's give him time to develope and raise a price.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by theorist
Murphy has been really helpful to us, and Diouf hasn't. So if you ask me, sell the latter, we can get a better sum for him. But perhaps Zaccus's right. Let's give him time to develope and raise a price.

Helpful at what??running the ball into corners and then losing it??Diouff is a far better player and given a chance he will prove himself.

[poul e]

I just signed up for the forum and went straight to this topic...

There´s a couple of problems at Liverpool at the moment I´m sorry to say :-((

1. We need to create more chances and score more goals
2. Our defence is not as strong as last season
3. We have players who are "out-of-form"

The way I see it we don´t need a new attacker, but a creative midfielder or 2. I would be willing to sell a couple of players to make room/money for a couple of new arrivals. Players such as Berger, Biscan, Diomede (is he still in the club?) and Smicer are (in my opinion) just not good enough to be in a team which are going for PL and (hopefully soon) CL glory!!

We desperately need a player who can go past 3 or 4 defenders and I don´t think we have that at the club. I would really love to see a player like Damien Duff wearing the red shirt of Pool!! To get him I wouldn´t mind selling a player like Heskey or Hamann, both of which we can get loads of money for. But I would of course prefer to keep them both...

And like others have already mentioned I would also welcome Owen Hargreaves which we can probably get at a fair price. He can play all positions in midfield and probably also in defence.

As I see it we have 3 quality players who haven´t shown yet what they are capable of: Diouf, Diao & Cheyrou. All 3 have to adjust to playing in England and they will hopefully all be a lot better next season! Perhaps Cheyrou can become the creative midfielder I´m longing for but it´s still not enough to only have one. Of course we also have Richie Partridge, but I´m not sure if he´ll ever become "good enough".

Besides those 3 we have keyplayers who are currently playing well below par: Gerrard, Babbel, Riise, Dudek, Hyypia and Owen. The only players who have been playing reasonably well in the games I´ve seen lately are Baros, Henchoz, Carragher and Murphy and that´s just not good enough!!

Against Vitesse on Thursday I would play this team:

Kirkland
Babbel-Henchoz-Hyypia-Carragher
Gerrard-Hamann-Murphy-Riise
Baros
Owen

Comments:
Defence: Kirkland is number one now - no question about that! Only question is...for how long?? We need stability at the back now more than ever and to get that we need to play the same 4 at the back for at least 4 games in a row - and these are the 4 players I prefer for that job!

Midfield: Gerrard and Riise are the only players at the club who can play perfect long passes/crosses from the flanks.We have lots of players who can play in the middle and Diao is pushing for a place instead of Murphy. But I actaully think that Danny Murphy could become the new Case-McMahon-Houghton type of player if he got to play regularly in the middle. In my opinion his qualities are much better suited for central midfield that out on the flanks!

Attack: Owen is still our most lethal striker even if he´s not at his best at the moment. Diouf needs a least a couple more months to show his potential and Heskey is (in my opinion) just not deadly enough in front of goal!!

[theorist]

Stability is the keyword. The rotation system failed, so it should be changed.

That formation you suggested is good. Not sure about Babbel's form, but I don't trust Traore, so he should play. Alternatively, we could play Riise as a defender and Diouf on the flank. But I'm very sceptical about Diouf whereas I'm confident in Riise, so what you suggested is probably better. Heskey deserves to play as well, to regain his form. A Heskey - Baros rotation could be good. Kirkland should play definitely. He has a lot of confidence which is good for us, unless Hyypia and Henchoz continue panicing in which case nothing will help.

[The Rule]

Welcome to the board poul e,it's good to have another Liverpool fan around the place.

i agree with a lot of what you say,except for the selling Hamann part,he is our most important player,he makes the team function and without our midfield would be disfunctional.I'd like to heskey go if the price was right(£12 million to Spurs sounds good to me)i have spoken about my admiration of heskey before,but i think he is now behind Baros and Diouff in line for a starting role.personally i'd like to sell him and get Rosicky and play Diouff out on the right with Baros and Owen up front.

I like the look of your team,but i'd play Riise left-back and Diouff on the wing.i don't think Carragher is playing well this season.

[The Rule]

Oh and Dudek is still number one,Kirkland is getting a run but Dudek will back for the christmas programme

[poul e]

I agree that it´s not perfect to sell Hamann but I don´t think there´s too much money left for new players so I think we have to sell in order to get new quality players. I would exchange Hamann for Duff any day. But if we could get enough money by offloading Smicer (the guy who can only last for 60 minutes max), Berger (over the hill), Biscan, Diomede and Vignal I would of course prefer that!! Then in return we get Duff (Rosicky or Kewell) and Owen Hargreaves. That would be perfect!!

Selling Heskey is also a quite good idea. Besides him we already have Owen, Baros, Diouf and Mellor at the club and a couple of French talents coming in soon....it might be best to sell him now and get lots of money for him. In my opinion all 4 other strikers in the first team are more natural goalscorers than Heskey so unless he starts scoring goals very soon the only thing that will happen is that he gets less playtime and his value decreases. At the moment Baros and Owen is my preferred partnership up front!

I would love to see this Liverpoolteam next season:

Dudek/Kirkland
Babbel-Hyypia-Henchoz-Riise
Gerrard-Hamann-Murphy-Duff
Baros/Diouf
Owen

This is only one new player but so much more creativity than there is in the team Houllier is sending out at the moment. Babbel, Riise, Gerrard and Duff can all play perfect crosses and Duff can go thru an entire defence if the other players back him up. And we don´t have to worry about the defensive part either because 3 of those 4 midfielders are very good defensively. I would then play Baros or Diouf in a free role behind Owen but when the opponents are attacking Baros/Diouf will mainly help out in the left side.

The idea about playing Diouf down the left is also good. Only problem is that he is out of form so he´s not good enough to play there at the moment.

And Carragher is not as good as he was last season but he´s also playing far less games than he did last season and he rarely play the same position 2 games in a row.

[zaccus]

the trouble with selling selling heskey right now is that if a striker gets injured (owen gets injured too much for my liking) then we are down to 2 that have half proved themselves and that isnt enough... heskey will probably be staying a while anyways as gh has said that heskey's best will come later this year and that he features in liverpools future

[poul e]

I agree Zaccus. However few goals Heskey is scoring he has a big place in Houllier´s heart/teamsheet! And with Diouf and Mellor still to show in the first team what they are capable of I guess Heskey is still the third best option up front at the moment....

And I´m afraid we won´t see any (important) new arrivals when the transferwindow reopens soon......but I´d love Houllier to steal Kewell, Rosicky or Duff away from their clubs, and I think Kewell is the mostly likely of the 2 with Leeds´ financial situation.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by poul e
I agree that it´s not perfect to sell Hamann but I don´t think there´s too much money left for new players so I think we have to sell in order to get new quality players. I would exchange Hamann for Duff any day. But if we could get enough money by offloading Smicer (the guy who can only last for 60 minutes max), Berger (over the hill), Biscan, Diomede and Vignal I would of course prefer that!! Then in return we get Duff (Rosicky or Kewell) and Owen Hargreaves. That would be perfect!!

Selling Heskey is also a quite good idea. Besides him we already have Owen, Baros, Diouf and Mellor at the club and a couple of French talents coming in soon....it might be best to sell him now and get lots of money for him. In my opinion all 4 other strikers in the first team are more natural goalscorers than Heskey so unless he starts scoring goals very soon the only thing that will happen is that he gets less playtime and his value decreases. At the moment Baros and Owen is my preferred partnership up front!

I would love to see this Liverpoolteam next season:

Dudek/Kirkland
Babbel-Hyypia-Henchoz-Riise
Gerrard-Hamann-Murphy-Duff
Baros/Diouf
Owen

This is only one new player but so much more creativity than there is in the team Houllier is sending out at the moment. Babbel, Riise, Gerrard and Duff can all play perfect crosses and Duff can go thru an entire defence if the other players back him up. And we don´t have to worry about the defensive part either because 3 of those 4 midfielders are very good defensively. I would then play Baros or Diouf in a free role behind Owen but when the opponents are attacking Baros/Diouf will mainly help out in the left side.

The idea about playing Diouf down the left is also good. Only problem is that he is out of form so he´s not good enough to play there at the moment.

And Carragher is not as good as he was last season but he´s also playing far less games than he did last season and he rarely play the same position 2 games in a row.


Danny Murphy in the centre and Gerrard out wide???eh....no definitly not.Murphy is a solid premiership player but he is not good enough if we want to win the league,and don't let Red-kop here you say Gerrard should be out wide.Murphy should go to Blackburn for Duff,Bowyer is on a bosman so they should get him but they prob won't.Personally i'd rather see them get Rosicky than Duff or Kewell and play him the way Arsenal play Pires.

Dudek
hargreaves-hyypia-henchoz-riise
diouff-gerrard-hamann-rosicky
baros-owen

[zaccus]

that would sort of copy real's defence: carlos and salgado constantly in the other half... and if hyypia and henchoz get caught in the back i don't think they have the speed to deal with it

[The Rule]

Originally posted by zaccus
that would sort of copy real's defence: carlos and salgado constantly in the other half... and if hyypia and henchoz get caught in the back i don't think they have the speed to deal with it

That's a good point,but Salgado and Carlos are given license to bomb forward all the time,Houllier won't do that,this season when Riise has been played left-back he hasn't been as adventurous as he was last year,and i think it's affected his performances.

Another reason Real do that is that they play Figo and Cambiasso as the wide players but Cambiasso drops central to let Zidane roam and Figo wanders all over the pitch so the full backs provide most of the width,Liverpool mighn't have to do that depending on who they buy to play out-wide,if it's Duff then the full back won't need to go forward as much,if it's a rosicky type player then they might have to.

It works for Arsenal with LAUREN and Cole,they are both attack minded,and Riise and Hargreaves are better defensively than them,and they fact that Arsenal having Ljundberg coming in off the wing and Pires floating about means the full-backs have to over-lap.

I think it would work,and provide some great attacking footbal as well

[poul e]

@The Rule: You will never see Houllier play THAT attacking football!!

Team of The Rule:

Dudek
hargreaves-hyypia-henchoz-riise
diouff-gerrard-hamann-rosicky
baros-owen

In my opinion neither Diouf or Rosicky have any defensive qualities and Riise and Hargreaves aren´t that great defensively either. This would for sure mean that Liverpool will play some very good spectator games, but they will also concede A LOT of goals!! And I´m sorry...I don´t agree that Riise and Hargreves are better in defence than Lauren and Cole at Arsenal. I agree on Lauren, but not on Cole...

And anyway....what´s the idea of having Riise at left back if he can´t go forward? Then it would be better to use Carragher!!

And I really hope that Houllier isn´t going to buy Bowyer. I was happy we got rid of Paul Ince and Steve Harkness - we don´t need a substitute for them!! The next player that´s coming then would be Alan Smith and then I´d be sad to be a Liverpoolfan!!

This is a great topic!! I always love a good football discussion :-))

[The Rule]

Originally posted by poul e
@The Rule: You will never see Houllier play THAT attacking football!!

Team of The Rule:

Dudek
hargreaves-hyypia-henchoz-riise
diouff-gerrard-hamann-rosicky
baros-owen

In my opinion neither Diouf or Rosicky have any defensive qualities and Riise and Hargreaves aren´t that great defensively either. This would for sure mean that Liverpool will play some very good spectator games, but they will also concede A LOT of goals!! And I´m sorry...I don´t agree that Riise and Hargreves are better in defence than Lauren and Cole at Arsenal. I agree on Lauren, but not on Cole...

And anyway....what´s the idea of having Riise at left back if he can´t go forward? Then it would be better to use Carragher!!

And I really hope that Houllier isn´t going to buy Bowyer. I was happy we got rid of Paul Ince and Steve Harkness - we don´t need a substitute for them!! The next player that´s coming then would be Alan Smith and then I´d be sad to be a Liverpoolfan!!

This is a great topic!! I always love a good football discussion :-))

Riise is an excellent Defender and is far better than Cole(Lauren is a better defender than Cole as well) in all aspects of the game.I have no idea why Houllier won't let him attack like he did last year,, i think it's because he plays Smicer on the left wing so often and Smicer is a big fairy who won't help out at the back.

As for never seeing Houllier play attacking football,the French team he managed was very attack minded,Houllier was the man who laid the foundations for the way France play today.Thomas Rosicky is a very hard working player who does his fair share defensively, Diouff can appear lazy at times,but his work rate in the world cup was excellent, and if given his chance on the right wing, he would prove his worth to people.

As for Bowyer and Smith i would disagree with you,Bowyer is an excellent player(to compare him to Harkness is an insult to the man)yes he might have a poor disciplinary record,but that has improved this year,also consider how many goals he has scored over the past few seasons for Leeds. Alan Smith is a wonderfully talented player who admittedly gets in a lot of trouble,but he is very young and that will go away with maturity.

Smith would be a good player for Liverpool as i think that him and Owen will be Englands future strike force(if owen is fit and smith isn't suspended).i'd be very happy to see Liverpool sign the two leeds player personally

[poul e]

@The Rule: Do we support the same team? We seem to disagree on everything :-))

So I guess this is the Liverpool team you want to see:

Dudek
Hargreaves-Hyypia-Henchoz-Riise
Bowyer-Gerrard-Hamann-Rosicky
Smith-Owen

We would very seldom finish a game with all 10 men on the pitch if we played this team....that´s just my opinion I guess...

I agree that it would be great to have Hargreaves and Rosiscky (or Kewell/Duff), but you´ll never hear me say that I want Bowyer and/or Alan Smith at Liverpool!!

And it isn´t odd that Bowyers (and Smiths) disciplinary records have improved this season. Leeds are playing like a flock of teddybears this season.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by poul e
@The Rule: Do we support the same team? We seem to disagree on everything :-))

So I guess this is the Liverpool team you want to see:

Dudek
Hargreaves-Hyypia-Henchoz-Riise
Bowyer-Gerrard-Hamann-Rosicky
Smith-Owen

We would very seldom finish a game with all 10 men on the pitch if we played this team....that´s just my opinion I guess...

I agree that it would be great to have Hargreaves and Rosiscky (or Kewell/Duff), but you´ll never hear me say that I want Bowyer and/or Alan Smith at Liverpool!!

And it isn´t odd that Bowyers (and Smiths) disciplinary records have improved this season. Leeds are playing like a flock of teddybears this season.

No you disagree ; )

I think that team would be far better than what we have now,i think Smith and Bowyer would be far better at Liverpool than at Leeds,they only seem to lose their tempers when things are going wrong,but this team would have a great chance of success,plus given Bowyer will be on a bosman and Smith would likely come for less than he is worth due to his contract situation plus the financial state that leeds are in

[The Rule]

looks like Hargreaves is staying at Bayern for another 3 to 4 years,stephen Carr would be my choice then

[poul e]

@The Rule: I disagree? Am I the only Liverpool fan who don´t want Bowyer and Smith playing for our team? I don´t think so!

And did you see what Bowyer did yesterday in the UEFA Cup game?? I hope they ban him for at least 6 games. It was really ugly to watch!! I don´t want a player like that at Liverpool.

[The Rule]

Can you honestly say that Bowyer and Smith wouldn't be better than Heskey and Smicer,to play up front and right-midfield,.

[poul e]

Did I say that? NO! I´m not a fan of Smicer - the man can only last for 60 minutes tops! And Heskey still has a lot to prove. I´m sure he can be better. I would love to get rid of Smicer.

But there´s a lot of other players I would prefer to see at Pool instead of Bowyer and Smith. Can YOU honestly say that Bowyer didn´t step on that opponents head on purpose?

In attack I would buy Cisse if we sell Heskey.

And even if Houllier says there´s very few wingers left in the game there´s certainly more creative players than Riise, Smicer, Murphy and Berger out there. I think Cheyrou is pretty good..he just need to adjust to the PL. I´m not sure how good Richie Partridge can become, but then there´s players to consider buying like Van der Vaert, Rosicky, Duff, Kewell, Totti, Martin Jørgensen, Peter Løvenkrands, Joe Cole or even Steve McManaman. I know that none of these players are as good defensively as Bowyer, Murphy and Riise, but is that what we´re looking for? In my opinion it´s not...I think we need someone who can go past a couple of defenders and not just players who can pass the ball and are great in defence.

great discusion The Rule, but it would be great if others than the 2 of us would join in....

[flowforth]

I hate to say it because I like the fella - but I would sell Heskey before his value plummets any more! Biscan should go too! Diouf should be tried out wide for more width - he is a great prospect and should be given more time. I would give Partridge a run out wide too. Xavier will come good - he is still fresh from a long lay off. Houlier blew it by keeping Smicer and Berger whilst selling Thompson and Wright. He should have used Litmanen as a creative midfielder and sold the Czechs that rarely play. I think Haman will be on his way soon so Liverpool need to think about who to bring in. Need another big center forward that can score. Also need a winger and a creative midfielder. I am not sold on Traore and Henchoz might have slowed down - so another Central defender too. Here's my shopping list:

Duff
Macca (get him back cheap)
Rufus or Konchevsky
Dunn or Cole (J)
Hargreaves or Bowyer
Beattie or Batistuta
Lizarazu or Barry

how bout Gazza for the last 10 mins?

[aruz]

liverpool just need an injection of motivation by someone
either by some stupendous play or by showing of skill or creativity
ever since the start of the season they seem to be stuck in 2 gear

liverpool has a wealth of talent but they are not fully justifing it

Currently, i feel liverpool need a pacy defender who could cover for
hyppia or henchoz, i feel a guy like Metzelder would do nicely
he was a revelation in the world cup and a future superstar

also i believe that Riise should not be playing at LB infact
he is more threatening going forward, moreover if they can get bowyer
over from leeds then it woul be really nice.

my liverpool XI would be

--------------------------Kirkland-------------------------

---------------Henchoz-----------------Hyppia--------------

---Babbel---------------------------------------Metzelder--

--------------------------Hamann---------------------------

--Bowyer------------------------------------------Riise----

--------------------------Gerrard--------------------------

---------------------------Baros---------------------------

---------------------------Owen----------------------------

I would like Baros to play just of Owen
and Gerrard given the free midfield role

A PASSING THOUGHT : McMANAMAN BACK AT LIVERPOOL !!!!!!!!!
would cure the left sided midfield problem though (or maybe not)

[theorist]

Width is our problem, so it should be like this (ofcourse a slight financial investment would be required).

---------------------------------Kirkland---------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---Carragher--------Henchoz------------Hyypia-------Berger------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------Hamann--------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----Gerrard-------------------Rosicky-------------------Riise--------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------van der Vaart---------------------Owen----------------

I'm always pro 4 - 1 - 3 - 2, but Houllier certainly isn't. So we can leave Rosicky alone and play Gerrard and Hamann in the center, and murphy right wing. We can freely interchange Murphy and Gerrard. We can also move Riise back and Rosicky left, and insert Murphy in the center.

[poul e]

@theorist: Berger at left back?!?!?! I don´t think so!! He´s not nearly good enough defensively. He´s gotten a lot better during his time in Liverpool, but....and anyway...he´s leaving on a Bosman next summer.....

And...you only think Owen of our attacking players are good enough? Don´t get me wrong though...Van der Vaert is a great player whom I would love to see at Pool, but I´d play him as an attacking midfielder instead and still use Owen and Baros. In my opinion it would be a little much to buy both Rosicky and Van der Vaert...that´s never going to happen I´m sure.

And like you said yourself...width is our problem. Let´s get a creative left and/or right side midfielder!

The least we can do is use players on each side of the field who can cross the ball and not just players (like Murphy) who always try to go thru in the center....

In our current team we only have Riise, Babbel, Gerrard and Cheyrou who can do that. Then we have Diouf, Patridge (and Cheyrou) who can dribble past defenders. And as Cheyrou, Diouf and Patridge haven´t shown world class yet in our team I guess they still need time to adjust to the Premier League. But Gerrard, Riise and Babbel don´t so let´s play this team now:

Kirkland
Babbel-Hyypia-Henchoz-Carragher
Gerrard-Hamann-Diao-Riise
Baros-Owen

In my opinion the only right way we can play with our current team. Perhaps it would be better to use Murphy instead of Diao...I´m not sure..

[theorist]

The problem is that Carragher and Babbel play on the same position. We have to use Traore who sucks IMO as a left defender. In fact, except Riise we don't have good defenders at all. All we have is breakers. Berger could perhaps be converted to a defender, but you're right it's not his natural position. Our width problems begin in our defense. Our left side of attack is problematic, since Riise has to be played left defense, and Owen stays too much in the penalty area. If we played Owen as an outside striker, who would score the goals? We should build a strong left flank and let Owen do what he wants (he's best at this role). We need a rise in moral and confidence, some creative freedom for our players, and a tiny bit of luck.

[poul e]

I agree with you Theorist! We need a creative leftsided midfielder so Riise can get back to playing left-back. That way we´ll have 2 players on the leftside who pose a threat to the opponents!! With Carragher at leftback we have a strong defence but he doesn´t help much in attack.

I just think that with our current players we have to play Riise on left midfield because he´s our best option there. We can hope that Cheyrou or Diouf starts playing very well...then we don´t need any new players, but as it is now I think we have to play the team which I set up. That will make us strong in defence and a bit more creative in midfield than now. But in the long term it´s not the team we should play.....

[The Rule]

Originally posted by flowforth
I hate to say it because I like the fella - but I would sell Heskey before his value plummets any more! Biscan should go too! Diouf should be tried out wide for more width - he is a great prospect and should be given more time. I would give Partridge a run out wide too. Xavier will come good - he is still fresh from a long lay off. Houlier blew it by keeping Smicer and Berger whilst selling Thompson and Wright. He should have used Litmanen as a creative midfielder and sold the Czechs that rarely play. I think Haman will be on his way soon so Liverpool need to think about who to bring in. Need another big center forward that can score. Also need a winger and a creative midfielder. I am not sold on Traore and Henchoz might have slowed down - so another Central defender too. Here's my shopping list:

Duff
Macca (get him back cheap)
Rufus or Konchevsky
Dunn or Cole (J)
Hargreaves or Bowyer
Beattie or Batistuta
Lizarazu or Barry

how bout Gazza for the last 10 mins?

What have you been smoking???
Lizarazu is 34,
Batistuta is 35,
Konchesky is the same type player as Riise but not as good,
Macca????
Duff would be good,
Cole would be good, with either dunn or duff
Dunn would be good,but we wouldn't get him and Duff
We don't need Rufus,Henchoz is still recovering from injury,
Beattie wouldn't fit,Houllier likes the split striker shit,so it's owen up front and Baros behind him
Bowyer would be a good signing
Hargreaves is seemingly stayin at Bayern for another 3 years,
Gareth Barry would be a good buy,young,english and versatile,depends on the price though

[flowforth]

Smoking? You're the one in the haze brother! How old was Gary Mac - 35? Good signing though eh? Gerrard is in trouble and has to spend in January. The board won't approve a lot of big name spending as he spend a cart load in the summer. So veterans on the cheap might be a way to bolster this side and calm it down. At Sunderland it was obvious they are missing creative flair in the middle - Hamman, Murphy and Gerrard aren't creative enough. And Rooney is making Owen look ordinary!

[The Rule]

Batistuta is way past it,Bayern wouldn't sell Lizarazu anyway.i don't know where you found out that Hamann is leaving but you should check that again,the need is not in the centre of midfield anyway,look at Arsenal,would you call Gilberto or Vieira creative players??the need is for wide players(not necessarily wingers),Joe Cole and Rosicky come to mind.

As for Rooney making Owen look ordinary,when he scores 25 goals a season two or three years in a row,then come back on that one,when he's scored three league goals,don't talk such waffle

[The Rule]

although theorist does have a few crazy ideas,if you think back,Berger was bought to play Left-wing-back by Roy Evans,that never worked out although he did play there a few times during the macca free-role period,i'd like to see Rosicky(theorist suggestion) come in and play a Pires like role on the left and maybe David Dunn or Joe Cole coming in to play on the right.VDV won't come to England,he'll go to Spain or italy when he leaves Ajax.I heard Djibril Cisse being linked again at the weekend in a swap for Diouff,that might not be a bad move.also heard mention of Gallas coming in to play right back,but that seems a bit far fetched.and Aruz,you're team would be the most boring ever,Gerrard in a free-role??yeah that's a good boy,sit down now and rest your weary head

[Juan]

I´ll say it again. Give Cheyrou the chance, and you won´t regret it.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Juan
I´ll say it again. Give Cheyrou the chance, and you won´t regret it.

he's injured

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Rule
Batistuta is way past it,Bayern wouldn't sell Lizarazu anyway.i don't know where you found out that Hamann is leaving but you should check that again,the need is not in the centre of midfield anyway,look at Arsenal,would you call Gilberto or Vieira creative players??the need is for wide players(not necessarily wingers),Joe Cole and Rosicky come to mind.

As for Rooney making Owen look ordinary,when he scores 25 goals a season two or three years in a row,then come back on that one,when he's scored three league goals,don't talk such waffle

Agreed. Batigol is past it. While I think he'd do better in the Prem than he is in the Serie A, I don't think a team like Liverfool should go for him. Same with Lizarazu.

Agreed again. Rooney has a long way to go before he turns into an Owen.

[Paba]

poul e ... "there's players to consider buying .. like Totti"

the flying italian would never join Pool. I mean he'd never join a club in england and probably will never even leave Roma.

neither will VDV. Spain or Italy like Rule said.

I'd like to see Liverpool in a

Kirkland

Carr Hyypia Henchoz Riise


Diouf Gerrard Hamann Duff


Baros Owen

Get rid of Heskey, Biscan (why Gerard?) and Murhpy. Maybe Smicer too. Dunn would be a good asset but would Blackburn sell both Dunn and Duff? Joe Cole definitely worth a try. I imagine he'd want to jump ship if West Ham get relegated. I'm not a pool expert so forgive me if I am totally out of control here.

on a sidenote pool should also buy beckham ronaldo figo raul totti vieri toldo rivaldo maldini montella motta and bati.

[Juan]

Go for Duff, now that Bowyer won´t go there, add Joe Cole if you want, but you would want to let Cheyrou develop. Get rid of Smicer, Xavier and Biscan, probably Heskey too.

[theorist]

on a sidenote pool should also buy beckham ronaldo figo raul totti vieri toldo rivaldo maldini montella motta and bati.
Beckham? Why the f**k would we want to buy him?????

I watched the Sunderland game relive, and noticed Gerrard and Owen give little shit about the team. They feel too secure of their place in our starting line-up. What would I suggest for next match is:

------------------------------Kirkland---------------------------------
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---Babbel------Henchoz-------------Hyypia--------Riise--------
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-----------------Murphy-----Hamann--------Diao----------------
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---Cheyrou-----------------------------------------------Diouf-----
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---------------------------------Baros-----------------------------------

[The Rule]

Five in midfield??aren't they boring enough
Cheyrou is injured anyway.

[Juan]

Originally posted by Paba
poul e ... "there's players to consider buying .. like Totti"
on a sidenote pool should also buy beckham ronaldo figo raul totti vieri toldo rivaldo maldini montella motta and bati.

Motta? you have definitely lost it.

[Paba]

Ok tard theorist, it was a bad line. was I serious? no. I was going to add j/k there but I thought you would understand it nevertheless. guess not.

tard

[The Rule]

TARD???? YEAH I'D RATE THAT AS A GOOD COMEBACK!!!!!!CALL HIM AN ASS-CLOWN(I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS BUT MONKEYSANUS03 USES IT AND YOU AND HIM ARE OF THE SAME TYPE)

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Rule
TARD???? YEAH I'D RATE THAT AS A GOOD COMEBACK!!!!!!CALL HIM AN ASS-CLOWN(I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS BUT MONKEYSANUS03 USES IT AND YOU AND HIM ARE OF THE SAME TYPE)

LOL! Actually (Azulgrana blushes), it's a term a professional wrestler by the name of Chris Jericho uses.

I myself always preferred the term "butt monkey" from Beavis and Butthead. :D :rolling:

[theorist]

Originally posted by Paba
Ok tard theorist, it was a bad line. was I serious? no. I was going to add j/k there but I thought you would understand it nevertheless. guess not.

tard
I figured out somehow that you didn't seriously suggest to buy all of those players, but including Beckham in the supposed list of some of the world's best players reflects your ignorance, or as you say, tardness. Beckham would add nothing to our team, we have players much better than him. I wouldn't take him to LFC for free.
BTW, why does your signature say tard?

[The Rule]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


LOL! Actually (Azulgrana blushes), it's a term a professional wrestler by the name of Chris Jericho uses.

I myself always preferred the term "butt monkey" from Beavis and Butthead. :D :rolling:

i know Jericho,he says ass-clown as well(what the ***k is an ass-clown??)

i prefer the Rock's "You are a Monkey's Anus"much better

[theorist]

About the 5 midfielder formation:
It's a bad time to start entertaining people, we have a little crisis to get out of. So stabilizing our midfield, and keeping the ball out of our half is first priority. And I think certain players who overrate themselves in their present form should spend a game on the bench.

[flowforth]

In fixing the problems - the side would naturally become more entertaining.
1. Fullbacks that can pose an attacking threat - maybe move Carragher into the middle and use wingbacks. This would mean that Houllier would have to buy one or two. It would also improve the width.
2. Creative midfielder - even an old Gascoigne would be better than this lot! They have no spark or imagination. Hamman and Gerrard are solid but someone with flair who can dribb