Purger II
04-07-2000, 03:19 PM
Topic: Who's "best years were 50s and 60s"?
Purger II
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posted 05 April 2000 10:55 AM
I assume that the title of this forum ("Yugoslavia") relates to the present country that goes under that name (i.e. Serbia and Montenegro).
However, during the period mentiond under the title of this forum (50s & 60s), the name "Yugoslavia" was carried by a whole different country, not consisting only of Serbia and Montenegro, but also of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Macedonia.
So, the successes of that Yugoslavia are indeed successes of today's Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), but they are also successes of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Macedonia, since their players also participated iin them.
So much I wanted to say about it, only as a clarification, without any intent to cause trouble here.
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Vatreni
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posted 06 April 2000 12:31 AM
Those were definitely Yugo's best years.....mostly due to a superstar from Split by the name of Bernard Vukas....over 700 career goals, one of soccer's all-time greats.
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Omar
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posted 06 April 2000 01:10 AM
Thanks Purger II. Do you or anybody else have a suggestion for a better description?
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zOla
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posted 06 April 2000 01:59 AM
Description is very good... the country was called Yugoslavia after all. Now it's all split up and all, but this is the same case as Russia and USSR !! in history the it's marked USSR although most success players were from Russia and Ukraine.
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As you can see, I'm a persistent mother***ker and I do not intend to be discouraged by few dimwits. :D :D :D :D :D
An answer to Omar:
Feel free to formulate the description yourself, but I'd suggest to put in some (or all) of the following:
- Yugoslavia is a spring of talented players
- Yugoslavian team is full of football stars
- Yugoslavian team on its good day can beat any World powerhouse
An answer to Vatreni (the part of his thoughts that deserves to be answered):
Yes, Vukas was a great player, but I'm still surprised that you pull exactly him out of string of great Croatian players whose efforts were built in all the achievements of ex-Yugoslavian team, including those of '50s and '60s.
When we speak about ex-Yugoslavian greatness of '50s and '60s, we speak about four consecutive Olympic finals ('48 - '60), one of them won, three lost. (In those times, football Olympic tournament was more important than today.) Also, there are two Euro finals ('60 and '68), and one fourth place on the World Cup ('62). I'd say that most important non-Serb and non-Montenegrin player from that period was Drazan Jerkovic, top goalscorer of the 1962 World Cup in Chile (so together with Suker, Croatia has two top goalscorers in the history of the World Cups). Also, Jerkovic's two consecutive goals in the Euro semifinal against France on Park of Princes in 1960 turned around French lead (4:3) into Yugo victory (4:5), thus making the later final possible.
As for Vukas, he participated in the ex-Yugoslavian team that won silver on London Olympics ('48), and also the one that won silver in Helsinki ('52), but not as any kind of a colossal goalscorer. He did not score a single goal in London (another Croat, Bobek, was the top Yugo goalscorer with 4 goals), while in Helsinki he scored 3, which is much less than Zebec (also Croat, scored 7) and Mitic (a Serb, scored 6).
An answer to Grobar (the part of his thoughts that deserves to be answered)
It's funny that you, as a "Partizan" fan, show so much disrespect towards Croatian players. If you knew the history of your club better, you would know that top players on the list of the best "Partizan" players ever, are non-Serbs, mostly Croats (Bobek, Zebec, Cajkovski,…), but also Muslims (Jusufi). Do I have to remind you also who was the president of "Partizan" in those times, he, he, he,…
For those who do not know it: in '40s and '50s, "Partizan" was a club that belonged to ex-Yugoslavian Army. Every totalitaristic communist country had one, and "Partizan" was the one in ex-Jugoslavia. Football players were not professionals as today, and the word "transfer" did not exist in its modern meaning. In the case of "Partizan" it looked like this: If the "Partizan" coach spotted some young and talented player playing for some other club, the guy would be drafted in Army the very next day. Being in the Army, he had a choice: Spend all of his service time (years in those times) digging trenches, or playing for "Partizan". Thus so many Croats in "Partizan" in those days, and thus so many titles for "Partizan" in those years.
An answer to zOLa
It's not the same case as Russia and USSR, because Russia did not "steal" the name that belonged to everybody (and under which the achievements were made), so the name "Russia" is not misleading. "Yugoslavia" is.
[This message has been edited by Purger II (edited 07 April 2000).]
Purger II
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Registered: Apr 2000
posted 05 April 2000 10:55 AM
I assume that the title of this forum ("Yugoslavia") relates to the present country that goes under that name (i.e. Serbia and Montenegro).
However, during the period mentiond under the title of this forum (50s & 60s), the name "Yugoslavia" was carried by a whole different country, not consisting only of Serbia and Montenegro, but also of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Macedonia.
So, the successes of that Yugoslavia are indeed successes of today's Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), but they are also successes of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Macedonia, since their players also participated iin them.
So much I wanted to say about it, only as a clarification, without any intent to cause trouble here.
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Vatreni
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posted 06 April 2000 12:31 AM
Those were definitely Yugo's best years.....mostly due to a superstar from Split by the name of Bernard Vukas....over 700 career goals, one of soccer's all-time greats.
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Omar
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posted 06 April 2000 01:10 AM
Thanks Purger II. Do you or anybody else have a suggestion for a better description?
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zOla
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posted 06 April 2000 01:59 AM
Description is very good... the country was called Yugoslavia after all. Now it's all split up and all, but this is the same case as Russia and USSR !! in history the it's marked USSR although most success players were from Russia and Ukraine.
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As you can see, I'm a persistent mother***ker and I do not intend to be discouraged by few dimwits. :D :D :D :D :D
An answer to Omar:
Feel free to formulate the description yourself, but I'd suggest to put in some (or all) of the following:
- Yugoslavia is a spring of talented players
- Yugoslavian team is full of football stars
- Yugoslavian team on its good day can beat any World powerhouse
An answer to Vatreni (the part of his thoughts that deserves to be answered):
Yes, Vukas was a great player, but I'm still surprised that you pull exactly him out of string of great Croatian players whose efforts were built in all the achievements of ex-Yugoslavian team, including those of '50s and '60s.
When we speak about ex-Yugoslavian greatness of '50s and '60s, we speak about four consecutive Olympic finals ('48 - '60), one of them won, three lost. (In those times, football Olympic tournament was more important than today.) Also, there are two Euro finals ('60 and '68), and one fourth place on the World Cup ('62). I'd say that most important non-Serb and non-Montenegrin player from that period was Drazan Jerkovic, top goalscorer of the 1962 World Cup in Chile (so together with Suker, Croatia has two top goalscorers in the history of the World Cups). Also, Jerkovic's two consecutive goals in the Euro semifinal against France on Park of Princes in 1960 turned around French lead (4:3) into Yugo victory (4:5), thus making the later final possible.
As for Vukas, he participated in the ex-Yugoslavian team that won silver on London Olympics ('48), and also the one that won silver in Helsinki ('52), but not as any kind of a colossal goalscorer. He did not score a single goal in London (another Croat, Bobek, was the top Yugo goalscorer with 4 goals), while in Helsinki he scored 3, which is much less than Zebec (also Croat, scored 7) and Mitic (a Serb, scored 6).
An answer to Grobar (the part of his thoughts that deserves to be answered)
It's funny that you, as a "Partizan" fan, show so much disrespect towards Croatian players. If you knew the history of your club better, you would know that top players on the list of the best "Partizan" players ever, are non-Serbs, mostly Croats (Bobek, Zebec, Cajkovski,…), but also Muslims (Jusufi). Do I have to remind you also who was the president of "Partizan" in those times, he, he, he,…
For those who do not know it: in '40s and '50s, "Partizan" was a club that belonged to ex-Yugoslavian Army. Every totalitaristic communist country had one, and "Partizan" was the one in ex-Jugoslavia. Football players were not professionals as today, and the word "transfer" did not exist in its modern meaning. In the case of "Partizan" it looked like this: If the "Partizan" coach spotted some young and talented player playing for some other club, the guy would be drafted in Army the very next day. Being in the Army, he had a choice: Spend all of his service time (years in those times) digging trenches, or playing for "Partizan". Thus so many Croats in "Partizan" in those days, and thus so many titles for "Partizan" in those years.
An answer to zOLa
It's not the same case as Russia and USSR, because Russia did not "steal" the name that belonged to everybody (and under which the achievements were made), so the name "Russia" is not misleading. "Yugoslavia" is.
[This message has been edited by Purger II (edited 07 April 2000).]