The Best La Liga XI

[Robledo]

-------------------------Canizares----------------

Puyol-------Helguera-----------Ayala----------R.Carlos

Figo---------Zidane--------Baraja---------Denilson-----------

-----------------Ronaldo----Raul-----------------------

Subs:
Hierro
Aimar
Joaquin
Kovacevic
Cassillas

I'm sure there'l be lots of disagreements, so lets hear your XI

[barça]

I guarantee that there will be a different 11 from every member here. You can't go wrong with a top starting 11 from La Liga.

How do you, for example, decided between Cañizares, Casillas, Contreras, Westerveld, etc, and if he wasn't ill, Molina. I don't know, but its fun trying and watching them play. And while I am talking about GK's please someone tell Ferguson to put in Ricardo and bench Barthez.

[Bier]

Canizares-Puyol,Hierro,Juanfran-Xavi,Helguera-LuisEnrique,DeLaPena,Figo-Kluivert,Raúl get my vote :)

[JD]

bier I always respect your opinion as a fellow little buddha lover BUT JUANFRAN!! he's a whiny dirty vicious cheating little git and he's not even as good as Silvinho let alone Carlos or Capdevilla. Xavi is pure class but I still would have to but Baraja in b4 him.
Canizares
Puyol Ayala Helguera Carlos
Joachin Baraja Zidane Denilson
Makaay Raul

this is tough though - la Liga is full of daaaark players

[Bier]

Well, I honestly took Juanfran because I did not know any better to chose ... I first thought of Roberto Carlos, but RC in a 3-men defence is a teams suicide ;) ... You got a point with Capdevilla though. Maybe I could also move Puyol to the left (he landed olympic silver in that position ... 2 years back ... wow how quick time passes by :eek: ) and put Salgado on the right.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Bier
because I did not know any better to chose ...

I've been silent on this topic due to what I consider my lack of knowledge in La Liga as a whole. I'll give it a try sooner or later though.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by JD
JUANFRAN!! he's a whiny dirty vicious cheating little git and he's not even as good as Silvinho let alone Carlos or Capdevilla.

Agreed.

[ItalianBoy]

Ronaldo? The guy played 10 matches doing not much!
How about Saviola? Kluivert? Etc?
I would understand if this was the end of the season and Ronaldo woudl have scored 45 goals! But he scored like 4! in 10 games! :confused: :rolleyes:

[barça]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
Ronaldo? The guy played 10 matches doing not much!
How about Saviola? Kluivert? Etc?
I would understand if this was the end of the season and Ronaldo woudl have scored 45 goals! But he scored like 4! in 10 games! :confused: :rolleyes:

I agree about Ronaldo, but how can you say Saviola? He has more games (11) less goals (2) and a accuracy rate of 9%. I love the guy and his team, but he is not in great form right now.

I will add my 11 later today, with the 11 that are in the best form and having the best season, not just names. For example, Figo is just not playing that well this year, neither is RC, nor Saviola. Kovacevic, although not the biggest name is having an unreal year, he should be, in as well as Musampa in Malaga.

[Robledo]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
Ronaldo? The guy played 10 matches doing not much!
How about Saviola? Kluivert? Etc?
I would understand if this was the end of the season and Ronaldo woudl have scored 45 goals! But he scored like 4! in 10 games! :confused: :rolleyes:

Fair enough, it's about opinions. Like I said, there wil be disagreements, that's the point of having WorldSoccerBoard, to to talk football !Lets hear your La Liga XI Italianboy

[Juan]

--------------------------Cañizares--------------------
Puyol---------Helguera----Ayala---Roberto Carlos
------------------------Baraja---------------------------
Joaquin----------------------------------Figo----------
-----------------------Zidane----------------------------
--------------Makaay---------------Raul----------------

Subs:
Casillas
Leo Franco
Michel Salgado
Naybet
Makelele
Xavi
Valeron
Aimar
Mostovoi
Vicente
Tristan
Kluivert

Like my 23 man squad? I put Figo on the left since I think both him and Joaquin should be on the squad, and Figo often moves to the left side in games.

[The Rule]

-----------------------Canizeres--------------------------

Manuel Pablo---Puyol------------Helguira-----Carlos


Figo--------------Zidane------------Baraja------Valeron



-------------------Tristan-------------Raul------------------

I know pablo hasn't played in a while,but this is best team,not team of the year and i think when he's 100%,he's an excellent player and since i've got Puyol in the middle,i couldn't think of anyone better(although i'm sure i'll get suggestions),and i had to have Valeron in the team,so either him or Zizou had to play left,so i put him there

i'll be interested to see Azul's team,unsure as to why someone would even consider De La Pena for this team,he's only a shadow of the player he was.

[gnlvagosov]

-------------------------Canizares-------------------

------Puyol--------Curros Tores-------R.Carlos---

---Riquelme----Zidane-----Baraja----Aimar-------

-------------------------Raul----------------------------

------------Kovacevic--------Makaay-----------------

[barça]

Well by reading the above post, there are no players in teams other than Valencia, RM, Barcelona, every once in a while, there is Betis and Deportivo.

I can't understand the love affair with Helguera (he made almost every team), if he were that good, why would RM be so desperate about getting more central defenders? Please don't say Hierro as your answer, all you Madridistas always loved him. The other player that made most team is Canizarez, please if you were going to choose a team today, how would you not choose Westerveld or Casillas? Canizarez can't even stop a bottle of perfume from hitting the floor!

I have tried to put in a team that reflects the form of the players as they are today. Not just names, with subs below. The biggest issue for me was three defenders or four, I decided for three as the midfielders are good enough to hold the ball.

By the way, gnlvagosov, Curro Torres?, would not be in my worst team, where did you find that one? That is the one player that Valencia is desperately trying to find a replacement for.

--------------------Casillas---------------------
-----------------(Westerveld)-----------------

--------Puyol-------Ayala--------Aranzabal--
-------(Puyol)-----(Naybet)-----(RCarlos)---

-Joaquin----Baraja---ZZ-------Musampa---
-(Karpin)---(Xavi)---(Mostovoi)--(Denilson)

--------------------Aimar------------------------
------------------(Raul)--------------------------

-----------Maakay--------Kovacevic----------
----------(Pandiani)------(FTorres)-----------



Coaches
Denoueix
(VFernandez)

[The Rule]

Do you live in a fairy tale world full of unicorns and pixies???MAKAAY AND KOVACEVIC AHEAD OF RAUL???????????not to mention musampa in the team and then you pick him wing-back,with Jaoquin as a wing-back as well.not very well thought out that team was it?

[barça]

Well, how many goals do Kovacevic and Makaay have between them?? Answer that. No wait, I'll do it 19! and no PK's in that number. How do you leave them out?

As far as Musampa as a wing back, you have a point (small) but the guy has to be in, his play is deserving.

Have you seen joaquin run and run and then run some more (with and without the ball)? The guy can do it and do it better than the rest.
You had Manuel Pablo for God's sake, the man had a compound fracture of almost all the bones in his leg, how the hell is he playing? And Valeron, who has played all of handful of games this year. Check your guys and your stats, by your standards I can put in Romario.

The team I placed is not about names, but the guys who so far, 13 games into the season, have played and are playing the best. A name does not get you in.

[The Rule]

This thread is called "BEST LA LIGA XI" not best team after 13 games you sap

[barça]

Originally posted by The Rule
This thread is called "BEST LA LIGA XI" not best team after 13 games you sap

Oh, ok, then lets put Manuel Pablo and his one leg back in. Take away the 19 goals of Makaay and Kovacevic and just put Raul for the two of them together.

Sorry.

[Juan]

Well, I actually like your team, besides the detail of not having Raul and RC as a starter, and Figo nowhere to be found.

And, if we´re talking coaches, there can be none other than the inmortal Luis Aragones!

[Bier]

Agreed I as well would give the helm to Luis Aragones.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by barça


Oh, ok, then lets put Manuel Pablo and his one leg back in. Take away the 19 goals of Makaay and Kovacevic and just put Raul for the two of them together.

Sorry.

Makaay is like Deportivo's third best striker,Luque and Tristan are far better player, Pablo will recover and prove he's spains best right back, and i'd have RAUL and Kluivert instead of you two Donkeys.I'd love to see Jaoquin play as a wing-back and Musampa as well,they'd get destroyed by the likes of Figo,although GNs idea of having Riquelme and Aimar as wing-backs is even more ridicluous

[The Rule]

And barca they reason Real is buying Chivu is to replace Hierro cos he's 35 and they need to get a settled partnership,although it's likely that Helguera will be back in midfield cos Makelele could be on his way out

[gnlvagosov]

Originally posted by The Rule


Makaay is like Deportivo's third best striker,Luque and Tristan are far better player, Pablo will recover and prove he's spains best right back, and i'd have RAUL and Kluivert instead of you two Donkeys.I'd love to see Jaoquin play as a wing-back and Musampa as well,they'd get destroyed by the likes of Figo,although GNs idea of having Riquelme and Aimar as wing-backs is even more ridicluous

I don't know how to place them in their right position thats why i put them like that...you can fix it if you want:)

[barça]

Originally posted by The Rule


Makaay is like Deportivo's third best striker,Luque and Tristan are far better player, Pablo will recover and prove he's spains best right back, and i'd have RAUL and Kluivert instead of you two Donkeys.I'd love to see Jaoquin play as a wing-back and Musampa as well,they'd get destroyed by the likes of Figo,although GNs idea of having Riquelme and Aimar as wing-backs is even more ridicluous

You are right Rule, onle legged Manuel Pablo can do a better job than my 11. I bow to you and your knowledge. The ruel is forever, isn't that a shame.

Musampa was pretty bad all over the field last night against Leeds. You are once again correct.

[barça]

Originally posted by The Rule
And barca they reason Real is buying Chivu is to replace Hierro cos he's 35 and they need to get a settled partnership,although it's likely that Helguera will be back in midfield cos Makelele could be on his way out

Please don't think that I don't understand that, I question the placement of Helguera on this best 11, there isn't one Madridista that is happy with his performance as a central defender. Not even him. If Marquez or Chivu were on Madrid right now, Helguera would be the one sitting. He does not belong on this 11.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by barça


You are right Rule, onle legged Manuel Pablo can do a better job than my 11. I bow to you and your knowledge. The ruel is forever, isn't that a shame.

Musampa was pretty bad all over the field last night against Leeds. You are once again correct.

Musampa is a WINGER,YOU HAVE HIM AS A WING-BACK,there's a huge difference,You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you??????/

[The Rule]

Originally posted by barça


Please don't think that I don't understand that, I question the placement of Helguera on this best 11, there isn't one Madridista that is happy with his performance as a central defender. Not even him. If Marquez or Chivu were on Madrid right now, Helguera would be the one sitting. He does not belong on this 11.

how would he be sitting you sap,he'd be in midfield

[gnlvagosov]

Helguera in midfield?:rolleyes:
yeah...and who's going to be sitting on the bench? Zidane?Figo?Cambiasso?

[barça]

Originally posted by The Rule


how would he be sitting you sap,he'd be in midfield

Once again, you have proven yourself to be so Knowledgeable than most. I bow to you.

Are you Van Gaal? Come on, you can admit it.

[barça]

Originally posted by The Rule


how would he be sitting you sap,he'd be in midfield

Once again, you have proven yourself to be more knowledgeable than most. I bow to you.

Are you Van Gaal? Come on, you can admit it.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Rule


You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you??????/

He's definately one of 'em Rule. He knows his La Liga stuff IMO. Either way, I think you both have fair points and I both agree and disagree with both of you.

I'd take Makaay over Luque easily. Also, Makaay and Tristan are both good and tough to compare. I wouldn't necessarily want to have to choose between the two, but then I'd play them together if I were Irrureta.

Helguera is very good midfielder. In a Best La Liga XI team? Close call. Just a matter of opinion. Though he's better in midfield, he's not that bad in defense. He's been better there in the past than this season. His versatility is a strength though and he's probably the most underrated player at Real and one of the most underrated in the World. I personally would use him as a 12th man. I think he'd be great to have on the bench in case you need a defender or a midfielder. Capable of starting, but IMO more useful as a sub due to his versatility.

IMO barca's XI is more of a La Liga XI based on this season thus far. Correct me if I'm wrong my friend. That said Rule, he has made some wise choices. Also, Joaquin and Musampa don't necessarily have to function as wingbacks. I'd imagine that despite barca's formation, they'd defend a lot less than you think. I think it's more of a La Liga thing.

IMO the Rule's team is more of a Best La Liga XI based on the players' performances in La Liga over the course of time. I think that was true nature of this thread, but it's open to however anyone wants to interpret it. Very good choices I'd say.

As for me Rule, I still have to decide. This Best XI stuff is tough. I think I have it though. I'll post it soon.

As for you two nipples (no offence) arguing, keep it clean. You're both intelligent posters and both know your stuff. No need to call one another saps or anything else over a disagreement. We all know that there are bigger saps around than either of you two. :D

Originally posted by The Rule
unsure as to why someone would even consider De La Pena for this team,he's only a shadow of the player he was.

Bier just loves De La Pena, that's all. He was a fan fav at the Nou Camp.

[barça]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


As for you two nipples (no offence) arguing, keep it clean. You're both intelligent posters and both know your stuff. No need to call one another saps or anything else over a disagreement. We all know that there are bigger saps around than either of you two. :



Multas Gracies

[The Rule]

Originally posted by gnlvagosov
Helguera in midfield?:rolleyes:
yeah...and who's going to be sitting on the bench? Zidane?Figo?Cambiasso?

Makelele would be out of the team,he'll probably leave anyway

[The Rule]

Originally posted by barça


Once again, you have proven yourself to be more knowledgeable than most. I bow to you.

Are you Van Gaal? Come on, you can admit it.


first of all you posted this twice,

Secondly,even though i called you a monkey's anus and said you had no testicles,there is no need for such an insult, i demand an apology.Van Gaal??????i would never insult someone in such a way!well maybe monkeysanus03, il fenomeno and JD,but that's beside the point,APOLOGISE

[gnlvagosov]

Originally posted by The Rule



first of all you posted this twice,

Secondly,even though i called you a monkey's anus and said you had no testicles,there is no need for such an insult, i demand an apology.Van Gaal??????i would never insult someone in such a way!well maybe monkeysanus03, il fenomeno and JD,but that's beside the point,APOLOGISE

:silly:

[JD]

interesting how the list of people u r liable 2personally abuse if they disagree with a rule opinion keeps expanding - have u considered offering counter arguments rather than feeding your continued obsession with simian bottoms and other members genitalia?

I agree with AZUL on the Helguera issue (which is why I put him in my best XI) he is IMO an underated player and his versatility is an invaluable asset both4 Real and Spain.

Luque scored a beautiful overhead at the weekend reminiscent of Rivaldo's third in THAT hat-trick against Valencia but he is a young developing player IMO still rather too 1footed. Whatever your opinion Irureta seems to place both Makaay (1of THE form players of Europe) and the other ex-islander Tristan- the boy with the moonlight in his eyes is unstoppable on his day, ahead of him currently.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD
interesting how the list of people u r liable 2personally abuse if they disagree with a rule opinion keeps expanding - have u considered offering counter arguments rather than feeding your continued obsession with simian bottoms and other members genitalia?

I agree with AZUL on the Helguera issue (which is why I put him in my best XI) he is IMO an underated player and his versatility is an invaluable asset both4 Real and Spain.

Luque scored a beautiful overhead at the weekend reminiscent of Rivaldo's third in THAT hat-trick against Valencia but he is a young developing player IMO still rather too 1footed. Whatever your opinion Irureta seems to place both Makaay (1of THE form players of Europe) and the other ex-islander Tristan- the boy with the moonlight in his eyes is unstoppable on his day, ahead of him currently.

Interesting how??

Monkeysanus03 and il phlegmino are the two biggest idiots on this board,no-one likes them(not even their parents),you on the other hand, you do make some good points at times but many of them are not your own.you're constant ass-licking of all the mods is annoying as well,on a few occasions you've been making points and then changed you're opinion when a mod has something different.if people are going to respect you here they will do so for your knowledge of the game and for saying what you feel,not what you've read or robbed somewhere else.

Luque is a marvelously talented player and he gets better with every game.Makaay is a decent player but no more than that.he has hit a purple patch and is scoring regularly but to say he is the best in La Liga is like saying that James Beattie is the best in the EPL.

[barça]

Originally posted by The Rule



first of all you posted this twice,

Secondly,even though i called you a monkey's anus and said you had no testicles,there is no need for such an insult, i demand an apology.Van Gaal??????i would never insult someone in such a way!well maybe monkeysanus03, il fenomeno and JD,but that's beside the point,APOLOGISE

You know as much as Van Gaal, you insult as much and as bad as Van Gaal, you don't like forwards who are scoring to be on your team, then you must be Van Gaal. Come on admit it. I have as much fun reading your posts as I have hearing him, all the evidence is there.

There isn't a worse genius than the one who thinks to know it all.

[JD]

Originally posted by The Rule


Interesting how??

Monkeysanus03 and il phlegmino are the two biggest idiots on this board,no-one likes them(not even their parents),you on the other hand, you do make some good points at times but many of them are not your own.you're constant ass-licking of all the mods is annoying as well,on a few occasions you've been making points and then changed you're opinion when a mod has something different.if people are going to respect you here they will do so for your knowledge of the game and for saying what you feel,not what you've read or robbed somewhere else.

Luque is a marvelously talented player and he gets better with every game.Makaay is a decent player but no more than that.he has hit a purple patch and is scoring regularly but to say he is the best in La Liga is like saying that James Beattie is the best in the EPL.

interesting as part of "the rule method" mentioned elsewhere

many of my points aren't my own? what does that mean - would be a strange fruit who spent their time posting what other people thought?! all you do is try and devalue what others post for reasons distinct from the posting (the rule method) - as for favouring moderators I honestly pay no attention to who is and who isn't - if you want to be a moderator why not ask several of them seems to be covering many forums they may well welcome the help.

You accuse me of changing an opinion to copy some one else. I don't really know specifically which thread(s?) you are referring to but if what you are reffering to is along the lines of
John makes statement a
MemberX makes statement b
John agrees that statement b is relavent an takes on the information
that is called a conversation - its why we are here

not
rule makes statement a
MemberX makes statement b
rule says MemberX is a monkeys anus and could never understand statement a only someone as important as rule knows about statement a
thats called random abuse

o Roy Makaay - pichichi favourite, right up there with Crespo and Inzhagi as far as CL goals this season, regularly capped over the last few years by one of the most striker rich (Kluivert, RVN, Hasselbaink- and till retirement Bergkamp) countries in the world. pure unadulterated world class finisher with serious pace, good movement great technique. La Liga winner.

James Beattie strong young striker current (pre Xmas) Prem top scorer, good in the air sweet right foot no caps, no medals.

Barca- as for rule being LVG his constant denials of reality remind me of another who is less than generous with the truth
Gerard (we dominated played well and where unlucky to lose) Houllier

[The Rule]

Originally posted by barça


You know as much as Van Gaal, you insult as much and as bad as Van Gaal, you don't like forwards who are scoring to be on your team, then you must be Van Gaal. Come on admit it. I have as much fun reading your posts as I have hearing him, all the evidence is there.

There isn't a worse genius than the one who thinks to know it all.

i think if you read Azul's he says that this was meant to be a best la liga XI and not best this season so far.the players i picked have performed consistantly over the past few years,whereas the likes of Makaay and Musampa have been average enough in years gone by.I would agree with your choices of Makaay and Kova if this thread was called,team of the season so far,also Jaoquin is very fit and does work hard,but i wouldn't pick him as a wing-back.i wouldn't pick Musampa for any team though,yes he has had some good games this year but he has also had some bad ones,that said there are not many top-class natural left wingers around.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD


interesting as part of "the rule method" mentioned elsewhere

many of my points aren't my own? what does that mean - would be a strange fruit who spent their time posting what other people thought?! all you do is try and devalue what others post for reasons distinct from the posting (the rule method) - as for favouring moderators I honestly pay no attention to who is and who isn't - if you want to be a moderator why not ask several of them seems to be covering many forums they may well welcome the help.

You accuse me of changing an opinion to copy some one else. I don't really know specifically which thread(s?) you are referring to but if what you are reffering to is along the lines of
John makes statement a
MemberX makes statement b
John agrees that statement b is relavent an takes on the information
that is called a conversation - its why we are here

not
rule makes statement a
MemberX makes statement b
rule says MemberX is a monkeys anus and could never understand statement a only someone as important as rule knows about statement a
thats called random abuse

o Roy Makaay - pichichi favourite, right up there with Crespo and Inzhagi as far as CL goals this season, regularly capped over the last few years by one of the most striker rich (Kluivert, RVN, Hasselbaink- and till retirement Bergkamp) countries in the world. pure unadulterated world class finisher with serious pace, good movement great technique. La Liga winner.

James Beattie strong young striker current (pre Xmas) Prem top scorer, good in the air sweet right foot no caps, no medals.

Barca- as for rule being LVG his constant denials of reality remind me of another who is less than generous with the truth
Gerard (we dominated played well and where unlucky to lose) Houllier

The Rule method??you're a very sad little boy,go back to school

So if you picked a premiership XI tomorrow, entitled best prem XI, would you pick beattie ahead of RVN and Henry,no of course not, why?because they have done over a prolonged period of time.This is the same player who went almost a year without scoring.Beattie is a good player but he is now-where near one of the best in England, the same goes for Makaay,he is playing well,but as for being world-class,i think not.

Last season Makaay couldn't have a hit the broad side of a barn.Pure unadulterated world class finisher??have you seen some of the sitters Makaay has missed this season?probably not.He was a sub on the La Liga winning team as well,he was actually third choice behind Tristan and Pandiani.as for his regular caps,he got most of them under Van Gaal,especially when RVN was out injured and Van Gaal was giving out caps like his life depended on it.most of his appearances came as a sub as well.

You have cut and pasted posts in the french and english threads,your one about Nonda for example, iam not the only person who has said this,a couple of otheres have as well.
You rarely have a conversation,on the english forums you post things purely to start a row.you have constantly gone to threads and made ridiculous comments regarding things you have very little idea about and even when five or six people have told you that you are wrong you attempt to cover yourself by spouting some drivel and then talking about things that have happened in other threads.

and as for your little examples there,i have started and had far more meaningful and interesting conversations on these boards than you,and it's only yourself,Maldini03 and Il fenomeno who i have called monkeys anus's on a regualr basis, because,well you are.myself and barca have had a number of good conversations on these boards and it was only on this thread that we have disagreed to this extent and that is more down to the fact that he took it to be the team of the season and i took it to be the best team overall.i have not called him a monkey's anus with the exeption of the post where i asked for an apology,i was taking the piss which of course you didn't get because you only post on what i've said before you, and you hadn't read the rest of what i'd said to him.going on this season,i would include the two strikers he did(although i might pick Pandiani over Kova,but never mind that)i still wouldn't pick Musampa in the team as i don't rate him htat highly.i do take his point about Jaoquin being very fit and working hard,but he's not a wing-back and i would never play him there,i would have picked him in my team until i realised that i had forgotten Valeron.we will disagree about Manuel Pablo,who i felt was one of the world's best right-backs before his injury and i think he will be so again.

As far as your other example,if you check back a few weeks you will find threads on which it goes more like this.

Member X makes statement a
John makes ridiculous counter statement
John trys to belittled Member X ( and fails miserably)
Moderator interjects with statement which agrees with Member X
John makes one last attempt to argue with Member X and then begins process of agreeing with Moderater and somehow still argueing with member X,even though Member X and the mod have the same opinion.
John then brings in things from othe Threads which have ***k all to do with the discussion at hand.

This is called John Daniel Evans proving that he is unquestionably a Monkey's Anus.

[The Rule]

And as far as slagging Houllier off(although what GH has to do with Spanish football i'm not sure)you team is managed by the biggest whinger of all time,constantly giving out about referees decision,which remarkably he never sees the first time(i'd love to know how he fails to see them considering the vantage point he has), he is also an incredibly arrogant man,saying how Arsenal would go unbeaten this season(good call on that one Mr. Wenger)and you talk about Houllier lying about things, how about"Richard Wright is our goalkeeper for the cup competitions,he will play no matter what round it is.if we get to a final he will play because he will be the one who has gotten us there", and JD, CAN YOU REMIND ME AGAIN WHO PLAYED IN THE CUP FINAL??????So before you go spouting off about houllier, take a look closer to home.

[barça]

Rule:

I started at the beginning of the thread saying that i would put like a mid season all star, not a name thing.

I don't think Manuel Pablo, unfortunately for him, will be back to his old self. He snaped every bone on his lower leg and I have yet to see a player come back from that injury and he had been out for over a year, although I was a big Manuel Pablo fan and hope I am wrong.

As far as strikers, I though about Pandiani, but I he had not played as many games and had it not been for one game his goal total would be somewhat normal.

Musampa is my kind of warrior on a team. The guy never, I mean never, gives up. He defends, attacks, passes, scores and deserved to make the team I was putting together.

Lastly, I said this before, I don't understand the love affair with Helguera. I am not a fan of his, I think he is the weakest player in RM, even as a holding mid, let alone as a central defender. If you add, say Chivu or Marquez to RM, Helguera would be going to the bench. Makalele and Cambiasso (although Cambiasso is showing lack of form) would take his position. He plays today, because RM is very weak in that position.

Having said that, I close my best XI and move on to other topics, I did enjoy this and besides Helguera and Manuel Pablo I liked your team. Even with Puyol in the midlle as you and Saez like.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by barça
Rule:

I started at the beginning of the thread saying that i would put like a mid season all star, not a name thing.

I don't think Manuel Pablo, unfortunately for him, will be back to his old self. He snaped every bone on his lower leg and I have yet to see a player come back from that injury and he had been out for over a year, although I was a big Manuel Pablo fan and hope I am wrong.

As far as strikers, I though about Pandiani, but I he had not played as many games and had it not been for one game his goal total would be somewhat normal.

Musampa is my kind of warrior on a team. The guy never, I mean never, gives up. He defends, attacks, passes, scores and deserved to make the team I was putting together.

Lastly, I said this before, I don't understand the love affair with Helguera. I am not a fan of his, I think he is the weakest player in RM, even as a holding mid, let alone as a central defender. If you add, say Chivu or Marquez to RM, Helguera would be going to the bench. Makalele and Cambiasso (although Cambiasso is showing lack of form) would take his position. He plays today, because RM is very weak in that position.

Having said that, I close my best XI and move on to other topics, I did enjoy this and besides Helguera and Manuel Pablo I liked your team. Even with Puyol in the midlle as you and Saez like.

I guess i am just hoping that Pablo comes back the player he was,but like you say it's doubtful.Henrik Larsson came back from a similar injury and so did Juninho,so there is a good chance.

i just rate Helguera very highly,as do a lot of people, i would pick him ahead of Makelele any day.i do feel he has lapses in concentration when playing in defense,but he is out of position there.i'd also reckon that even if Madrid do buy Chivu, he will still play centre-back,because Hierro is on the down-side of his career and Pavon is still learning.If they buy two defenders, it'll be interesting to see what happens as regards him,Makelele(who i still think will leave) and Cambiasso.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Rule


i think if you read Azul's he says that this was meant to be a best la liga XI and not best this season so far.

Well, actually I said that I thought that it was the original posters intention. Not sure, but it's open to either.


Originally posted by JD


I agree with AZUL on the Helguera issue (which is why I put him in my best XI) he is IMO an underated player and his versatility is an invaluable asset both4 Real and Spain.



Difference being that I'd use him as a sub and not a starter.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by barça


Musampa is my kind of warrior on a team. The guy never, I mean never, gives up. He defends, attacks, passes, scores and deserved to make the team I was putting together.



Having a swell season indeed. A former Ajax player too.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA

Difference being that I'd use him as a sub and not a starter.

but that didn't fit into DJ's plan of kissing your ass to the fullest of his ability

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Rule
but that didn't fit into DJ's plan of kissing your ass to the fullest of his ability

Nah, he wusn't kissin' my ass. He should though. :evil:

[nismo]

To avoid confusion, this is my best la liga XI IMO that can be put together when playing on top form.
Canizares
Puyol - F.DeBoer - Ayala
Manuel Pablo - Baraja - Roberto Carlos
Zidane - Valeron
Kluivert - Raul
*the formation I chose is a 3-5-2, with Baraja in the holding midfield position with Zizou and Valeron advanced up midfield

Some of them are personal favourites regardless of form, so most of you will prolly disagree with some of my selections. Like to know what you think. No Beef please ;)

[The Rule]

Originally posted by nismo
To avoid confusion, this is my best la liga XI IMO that can be put together when playing on top form.
Canizares
Puyol - F.DeBoer - Ayala
Manuel Pablo - Baraja - Roberto Carlos
Zidane - Valeron
Kluivert - Raul
*the formation I chose is a 3-5-2, with Baraja in the holding midfield position with Zizou and Valeron advanced up midfield

Some of them are personal favourites regardless of form, so most of you will prolly disagree with some of my selections. Like to know what you think. No Beef please ;)

you team kicks ass man,another Manuel Pablo believer..cool

[BLAUGRANA]

OK, OK. After putting it off for some time, here's my La Liga XI. I'd say it's who I think are the top players rather than those who are currently enjoying good form. Indeed, a current form top La Liga XI would look very different as there are many over/underachieving players this season. Pretty much based on who I think are the best players though. I'm including subs too as that way I can name a few more players I rate and who deserve a mention. Here goes:

----------------------------Casillas-----------------------------

Puyol---------------------Ayala---------------------R Carlos

---------------------------Baraja-------------------------------

Joaquin-------Figo----------------Zidane----------Valeron

----------------Tristan-------------Raul-----------------------


Subs:
Canizares
Curro Torres
Naybet
Capdevilla
Helguera
Aimar
Riquelme
Xavi
Vicente
Reyes
Makaay
Kluivert


That's my 23 man squad. I should mention a few things though. A very offensive lineup. Roberto Carlos as left back was a defensive decision as well as an offensive one. When he's disciplined, he's a good defender IMO. Of course with this lineup, he'd have to stay home more often than he normally would. Perhaps we could put one of those electric dog collars on him (in case you don't have them outside the US, they're a dog collar that gives the dog a shock if he tries to leave the yard or designated area). Other than that, I don't think the starting lineup needs much explanation.

How the bench players fit in:

---------------------------Canizares--------------------------

Curro Torres-----------Naybet/Helguera-------Capdevilla

--------------------------Helguera/Xavi----------------------

Joaquin/Figo--Riquelme/Aimar---Aimar/Xavi---Vicente/Reyes

-------------------Kluivert--------------Makaay/Reyes--------

I think my bench and where they fit in needs a bit more of an explanation. Once again, light in the defensive department in terms of numbers. Helguera would be my key bench player due to his versatility. No real right wing player on the bench as both Figo and Joaquin are in the squad. Reyes is another player named due to his versatility. Capdevilla can be a left back or center back. Xavi back as more a defensive mid (as in above as an alternative to Helguera) would function as Pirlo does with AC Milan. I think the players are very similar. Kluivert is more of a holding striker while Makaay is the backup goalpoacher.

Overall, I tried to include who I thought were the best players along with a little versatility. I the squad I chose allows for endless tinkering with the lineup. I think it also allows for my lack in depth (though not too drastic) of defenders. I don't think i've done justice to the versatility of the players I chose with the lineups above.

Finally, I should mention that a few players narrowly missed out. Ronaldo (yes, I still HATE him), Fabio Aurelio and Denilson. Ronaldo hasn't done enough over the past few seasons (much less in La Liga) to garner a nod. Fabio Aurelio was just pipped by Capdevilla and was probably the toughest omission. Denilson lost out to Vicente due to what I consider Vicente's superior crossing ability. Denilson has the edge in dribbling, but not such that he beats out Vicente.

Well? What dy'all think?

[gnlvagosov]

nice team!

[BRN-313]

very nice team.

it looks unbeatable on paper

[nismo]

Superb team Zul. It's very attacking oriented. Except I'd have Valeron and Zizou in the center with Figo and Joaquin working the flanks

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by nismo
Superb team Zul. It's very attacking oriented. Except I'd have Valeron and Zizou in the center with Figo and Joaquin working the flanks

Thanx. Toughest bit was deciding on defenders. I thought about that, but Figo plays largely on the right and I have seen Valeron used out on the left. The players are so versatile though, you could do either and then some.

[lili]

Makaay should be there together with Raul, imo he's better than Tristan. But everything else in your team looks really great.;)

[The Rule]

i'd have canizeres over Casillas but it's a great team

[BLAUGRANA]

Thanx guys. I have all the players in the full squad, so it wouldn't really matter too much (as regards Makaay and Canizares). For me, Casillas is one of those keepers who not only is consistently good, but who can pull saves outta his arse if need be.

[BRN-313]

Originally posted by The Rule
i'd have canizeres over Casillas but it's a great team

i like Casillas better, and i think he is now one of the best in the World along with khan,Buffon and Toldo.

@ 21 that is quite an achivment.

and i belive he can surpass them and become the best in the world he has the potential.

[JD]

If Cesar hadn't been injured b4 the last 20 minutes I don't believe Real would have won the EC@ Hampden. Casillas was unbeatable - his performance was as important as Zidane, Raul or Carlos's to EC triumph number9 for Real

[barça]

Originally posted by JD
If Cesar hadn't been injured b4 the last 20 minutes I don't believe Real would have won the EC@ Hampden. Casillas was unbeatable - his performance was as important as Zidane, Raul or Carlos's to EC triumph number9 for Real

I think you might be right, and also, had Leverkusen GK been half way decent that night, they probably would have won it.

[lili]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
Thanx guys. I have all the players in the full squad, so it wouldn't really matter too much (as regards Makaay and Canizares). For me, Casillas is one of those keepers who not only is consistently good, but who can pull saves outta his arse if need be.

Don't want to be smarter than you for every price, but benching the LaLiga scorer Nr. 1 is a little ununderstandable for me. ;)

[Juan]

Originally posted by Juan
--------------------------Cañizares--------------------
Puyol---------Helguera----Ayala---Roberto Carlos
------------------------Baraja---------------------------
Joaquin----------------------------------Figo----------
-----------------------Zidane----------------------------
--------------Makaay---------------Raul----------------

Subs:
Casillas
Leo Franco
Michel Salgado
Naybet
Makelele
Xavi
Valeron
Aimar
Mostovoi
Vicente
Tristan
Kluivert

Like my 23 man squad? I put Figo on the left since I think both him and Joaquin should be on the squad, and Figo often moves to the left side in games.

Im going to do a little modificacion. Take out Xavi and put in Xabi. Xabi Alonso that is.

[barça]

Originally posted by Juan
Im going to do a little modificacion. Take out Xavi and put in Xabi. Xabi Alonso that is.

There is no way I would ever take Xabi over Xavi.

[Juan]

Heh, imagine a broadcast with both of em playing in the NT...

That would be fun.

[Robledo]

Originally posted by Juan
Heh, imagine a broadcast with both of em playing in the NT...

That would be fun.

Brasilian football comentators had a similar problem when there were 2 Juninho's playing in the same team. They had to keep saying Juninho Paulista and Juninho Pernambucano , so people wouldn't get confused lol

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by barça
There is no way I would ever take Xabi over Xavi.

Ditto.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD
If Cesar hadn't been injured b4 the last 20 minutes I don't believe Real would have won the EC@ Hampden. Casillas was unbeatable - his performance was as important as Zidane, Raul or Carlos's to EC triumph number9 for Real

unbeatable??Cesar was playing well before he got hurt and would have easily made the saves that Casillas made,maybe you should stick to posting on things you know about like.........eh........well...........maybe you shouldn't post at all

[ffours]

My team would be in the 4-2-3-1 formation like all the other spanish teams use.

--------------------Notario-------------------------
Puyol--------Calvo---------Ayala------Capdevila

---------------Baraja---Sergio--------------------

Joaquin--------------Raul--------------------Zizou
------------------Diego Tristan---------------------

Subs:

Caniazares
Valeron
Reyes
Torres
Makelele
Xavi
Marchena
Cesar

[JD]

Originally posted by The Rule
unbeatable??Cesar was playing well before he got hurt and would have easily made the saves that Casillas made,maybe you should stick to posting on things you know about like.........eh........well...........maybe you shouldn't post at all
no Cesar has always without fail looked dodgy in every game I've seen him play. Casillas made more saves in his short period on the pitch than Cesar was called to make in the game. Iker made at least three brilliant saves that I simply do not believe Cesar is capable of making.

IMO
1) u r wrong that Cesar would have made those saves
2) your implication Casillas didn't have to work hard ("unbeatable??" u ask) is also wrong. Madrid were under serious pressure for sustained period in the second half, as per usual they looked suspect on crosses into the box - Iker saved them.
3) even if your opinion that Casillas had little to do and what he did do Cesar would have done easily enough was right (personally I totally disagree) y would that mean I shouldn't post at all?!

[barça]

Originally posted by ffours
My team would be in the 4-2-3-1 formation like all the other spanish teams use.

--------------------Notario-------------------------
Puyol--------Calvo---------Ayala------Capdevila

---------------Baraja---Sergio--------------------

Joaquin--------------Raul--------------------Zizou
------------------Diego Tristan---------------------

Subs:

Caniazares
Valeron
Reyes
Torres
Makelele
Xavi
Marchena
Cesar

An interesting team, I would go as far as to say I like it. But here we go with my complaint, No Aimar? Not even on the bench? I also don't think that Garcia Calvo has had a consistent season, Aranzabal has done better, but he is not on your bench either. I do love the fact that you have no Helguera and no Figo. The Rule woill hate that:D

[ffours]

The team is mostly made of spanish players, and instead of figo, i got the spanish figo :)

[The Rule]

Originally posted by barça
An interesting team, I would go as far as to say I like it. But here we go with my complaint, No Aimar? Not even on the bench? I also don't think that Garcia Calvo has had a consistent season, Aranzabal has done better, but he is not on your bench either. I do love the fact that you have no Helguera and no Figo. The Rule woill hate that:D

No i can understand him picking JAOQUIN over Figo BUT NO HELGUERA!!!!!!!!! :shocked: :Shocked: Have you lost your mind???

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD
no Cesar has always without fail looked dodgy in every game I've seen him play. Casillas made more saves in his short period on the pitch than Cesar was called to make in the game. Iker made at least three brilliant saves that I simply do not believe Cesar is capable of making.

IMO
1) u r wrong that Cesar would have made those saves
2) your implication Casillas didn't have to work hard ("unbeatable??" u ask) is also wrong. Madrid were under serious pressure for sustained period in the second half, as per usual they looked suspect on crosses into the box - Iker saved them.
3) even if your opinion that Casillas had little to do and what he did do Cesar would have done easily enough was right (personally I totally disagree) y would that mean I shouldn't post at all?!

Yes Cesar does look dodgy at times, but not in every game."Iker made at least three brilliant saves that I simply do not believe Cesar is capable of making."Absolute crap, even Seaman could have made those saves, iker likes to make basic saves look impressive by throwing himself around and then rolling around on the ground.

1.No i am right, any keeper worth his job could have made them, even Seaman.
2.He made them look harder than they were.They looked suspect on crosses COS IKER IS CRAP AT DEALING WITH CROSSES
3.As i said they were straight-forward saves that Iker "made hollywood"by first saving they ball, then throwing himself across the goal,landing and rolling around.

IMO,

1.you are an idiot
2.You must have imagined those saves they way you have imagined the "total football" you claim to have seen this season,yet no-one else has witnessed.
3.You are an idiot, no wait i said that already,oh well

[barça]

Originally posted by The Rule
No i can understand him picking JAOQUIN over Figo BUT NO HELGUERA!!!!!!!!! :shocked: :Shocked: Have you lost your mind???

What took you so long:D :D

[The Rule]

Originally posted by barça
What took you so long:D :D

I haven't been posting here to much, mainly on the Liverpool forum and over on WFB.