Player debates

[abulmahshin]

I have had discussions with people in other areas, but who else out there beleives Owen is probably the best striker in the world today

[Garrincha]

Owen the best? In a world where Vieri, Batistuta, Crespo, Romario, and Schevchenko play?

Get serious. ;)

He's good, but let's keep this in perspective. He's not the best.

[Neo]

He's a great striker. The best this country has produced for a long time.

I'm not having a go or anything. But, I always sense an air of arrogance from the people that watch the Italian league. I would like to know which English players you believe to be world class?
I mean the 5 players you named all play in Seria A, why did'nt you name Raul from spain, Henry from Arsenal?

Like I said, I'm not having a go, but those people who are into Seria A believe that their league is the best on the planet, just because all the best players go there. When infact, its probably the money that attracts them.

It was proved last year in the Champions league that Seria A is a shadow of its former self. In the Semi finals there was two Spanins teams, one English and one German team. i just think its time that people start giving the Premiership and La Liga the credit it deserves.

[abulmahshin]

Well said Mister Anderson (neo-Matrix):D

[Garrincha]

Neo, the five guys I mentioned weren't meant as the "top 5" or anything like that. I just mentioned five strikers who I consider superior to Owen, and didn't even think where they played. Raul is great too, but I don't know if he's better than Owen. Owen is better than Henry, IMHO.

And Romario isn't in Serie A (never was), he plays in Brazil - and yes, he's STILL better than Owen, and one of the best in the world. Romario's one of the last fuoriclasse playing today.

Don't get me wrong, I think Owen is excellent, one of the world's best - but not the best.

I don't think Serie A is necessarily the best league in the world, but they certainly have the toughest defenses. So strikers who succeed in there deserve a little extra credit.

[B@tigol]

owen is great, but can't consider as the best yet. he's still very young, he'll be the best in the coming years....serie a is still superior to epl, nobody could deny that.
if u ask me who is the best...u could look at my nick:D

[Komik 9]

I have seen a couple of Liverpool games this season and I must say that I am really impressed by your young left back/midfielder John Arne Riise.

That guy has what it takes to become one of the europe's most wanted players. I don't know how you could buy him so easily, but I must say congratulations, because he is one of the best buys this season, in Europe.

Don't you agree?

[Leboeuf_81]

I have seen that Grégory Vignal has been in the starting eleven in many games this season!!!
thats good!!

By the way Bernard Dioméde must return to France, he doesn´t get any play time .....
He is a world champion and have very good skills, just give him some games and he will prove that!!!!

[Severus]

Originally posted by Neo
He's a great striker. The best this country has produced for a long time.

that doesn't say much of england's situation now does it ? the best player they've produced in a long time can't even take a pass on the run ? wow are they behind.

[abulmahshin]

Yeah but the team as a whole can trounce teams like Germany and Spain and draw against world champs France and the previous holders Brazil

stop dissing

[Severus]

yeah but i thought we were speaking about owen.

anyway, weren't 3/4 of those matches friendlies with the other one being against a team you should've also hammered at wembley ? pounding an overage group of pension seekers is certainly not something to brag about, unless of course, you've had nothing to be proud of over the last 30+ years.

[Drummer]

severus I have had many arguements with English about that hallow victory against the worst german side in living memory. basically it meant so much more to England to win that , because whenever it really matters the Germans always seem to beat England (unless the ref gives them goals that actually dont cross the line ,in which case they have won the world cup). But I do think that Owen deserves more credit then he is given. i know that you are not a livid Italian fan so your opinoin is less biased, Im a United fan and hate Liverpool and I amnt one to compliment their players , but Owen is special, he is younger then me, how many players can say that they scored (Arguably - Bergkamps?) the bet goal of World cup 1998 (at the age of 18) againsta favoured Argentina team packed full of world class internatoinals. One goal maybe but it shows what he is capable of. He is doing excellent in the EPL and thats all you can ask of a player (that they perform well in the league they are in). I have to say that I dont rate Vieri as much as I used to , I forget who he played for 1st (Juve?) but he was brilliant, I have only seen him a handful of tiomes since but have not been bowled over with him, Maybe I caught him on a couple of bad days !!!!

[Drummer]

Heres a picture which all England fans will be doing this summer if they think that their team is going all the way in June!!!!

[Severus]

as i pointed out to abul previously, owen is a gifted player, who's quick and clinical in the area. BUUUUUUT ... he's overrated. the english think too highly of him.

now, maybe vieri isn't as fast as the liverless wonder PUNK (i hate the fukker and i hate the TEAM) but he can mainly do anything owen can do but better. he makes up for the disadvantage of speed in the air where owen is ineffective because he's 2 apples high.

[afei239]

sure!owen is great.the French newspaper France Football will make public the list of 50 candidates for this year's Golden Ball award.The biggest favorites are Owen, Shevchenko and Raul. Although Owen sounds to be on top of the three because of the 5 titles he has won with Liverpool and the three goals against Germany.

[abulmahshin]

Originally posted by Severus


that doesn't say much of england's situation now does it ? the best player they've produced in a long time can't even take a pass on the run ? wow are they behind.

i only mention the English Natioanl team as you bought it up, to show you they are not as behind as many teams, hell Holland are not even in the world cup (totally unrelated):D

but to the main matter, it seems this discussion is heading to a Vieri versus Owen, i suppose we have our own opinions , where some of you think Vieri and his amazing control, strength, ariel accuracy and a good shot is better than owen's pace and killer finishing. Its going nowhere.

[Drummer]

but to the main matter, it seems this discussion is heading to a Vieri versus Owen, i suppose we have our own opinions , where some of you think Vieri and his amazing control, strength, ariel accuracy and a good shot is better than owen's pace and killer finishing. Its going nowhere.

Sounds very familiar, like it was said to me in my post about the italian league not being the best (not by you abulmahshin)
I agree and point out to all the hypocrites that slagged me off for trying to compare The Italian league to any other, "you cant compare leagues nah nah nah , bla blah blah" and Roy Keane " you cant say that Roy Kean Blah blah blah". You contradict yourselves in differant posts. this is prctically the same discussion. "Owen is one of the worlds best", Discuss. "Italian league is one of the worlds best" discuss, notice a similarity anybody??? yet I get told to Fukk off coming up with such a ludicrasly stupid post that couldnt be decided due to lack of the capabilty to compare them!!

[abulmahshin]

Well Said

[Severus]

are you calling me a hypocrite drummer ?

[Drummer]

Now would I do that? What on earth would make you think that??? I would of thought that the person that complained about my pathetic post would recognise that one!!!

[ItalianBoy]

Owen the best? FAR from it!

[Drummer]

I hope that wasnt directed at me, I never said that he was the best....:confused:

[ItalianBoy]

Drum, why do you feel that everyting is directed to you? I said in general man! (?)

[Milan fan]

Owen is good but not that good such as Batistuta, Zidane, Rivaldho, Schevchenko and some another very good players, but Owen is one of the youngest football players in the world. So he's going to have a better carrier in future than today.

[B@tigol]

give him a break, he just 22, but he has already showed what he's capable of.............about his air attack, he has already showed that he can score from header, maybe he's short, but he's smart, he's not the best, but one of england's finest

[Severus]

were his flaws ever exposed before more than in the match vs roma or what.

his control is horrid and i've seen much better on the under15 team i coached this summer. honestly.

his passing leaves a lot left to be desired, i think he was in the 7% pass completion range

the guy needs 10 metres of space around him orelse he'll be ineffective like he was vs roma.

but yet, liverless scousers all over the world will have you believe he's the best around ........

PUHLEEEEEEZE !

there's a reason why no italian clubs ended up buying him after much speculation and the reason is cos they'd be wasting their cash. only the best in italia please and owen doesn't fit the bill.

unless of course, serie A goes through a transition period and gives attackers 20 metres of space as they do in england.

[B@tigol]

:yawn::yawn: i think u r not being fair here, did u give him any credit when he scored last season against roma???? u just come in here bashing him when he's not performing for one match, i hate to say this, but what do u think about totti, one of italy brightest star, dun look like a playmaker that match his reputation, isn't that overrated??? but i think he's a great player cause i didn't judge him from one match, every player has his high n' low, so it's not fair to say something like that

[Drummer]

I find it hard to believe that I am saying this but I think that Severus is being far to judgemental on 1 performance. I expected more from you severus...... Owen is not the best in the world, but he is definantly the best under 23 in the world and he is getting better. Very few players in th world today can say that they had done as much as him at that age. He is an England veteran already!!!!
And dont argue with me about the english game, remember I am Irish, f you saw me on an England football team message board wyou wouldnt think me to be pro- EPL!!! I think that again, pro-Italian snobbery is shining through again. From a powerful country that argues its staus in football, by the supposed excitement and powre of its teams that bore the shit out of nearly all other supporter of other leagues, and the fact that there teams have to hope to get an easy draw in the Uefa cup to have any sort of Euro success, this is rich!!
I would love to see half the serie A players in th EPL. Half of them would last a week, pussies!!! They are renowned for their excellent skills at diving, moaning and trying to get other players booked. Robbie Keane was only in Italy for 2 months and came back a whingbag and a diver waiting for the yellow card to be shown to anybody that even breaths in his direction, he learnd it somewhere!!!!!!!!

[Severus]

its not because its just one performance. i've always been of the belief that he was overrated in fact, didn't we have an arguement about this before this match ? he was given no space and hardly any time on the ball freely and because of this, was ineffective. just like i knew he would be.

oh and BTW, his ball control i think was at an alltime low the 2 or 3 times he touched the ball.

as for totti, he's overrated too. he was more disappointing though because he was at home. regarding their previous UEFA encounter ... beleive what you will but roma were focussed on lo scudetto. that would probably explain why atleast 5 of their starters didn't appear in the home and home series. let's see what happens when they make it and liverpool doesn't ;)

and this still doesn't change that michael owen is an overrated little midget 2 apples high.

[Drummer]

One thing I will say, is that he is no more over-rated by the liverpool fans, then the italian teams and league is by their own fans!!!!!!!!!:D

[Drummer]

Originally posted by Severus

... beleive what you will but roma were focussed on lo scudetto. that would probably explain why atleast 5 of their starters didn't appear in the home and home series.
Are yo saying that the powerhouses of Italy are not capable of focusing on 2 tournaments in a season. Doesnt say alot about the supposed strong teams in the Seria A does it???????

[Severus]

watta ya think, winning the scudetto is as easy as winning the EPL ?

teams don't wrap it up with 2 months left in italia unlike england.

[ItalianBoy]

by drummer
by the supposed excitement and power of its teams that bore the shit out of nearly all other supporter of other leagues


Bore the shit out of who!???? Drum jelousy is getting a hold of you in a bad way mate! Please post some more crap! :rolleyes:


Owen is over rated as Mendieta, Inzaghi, figo and many other players. Sorry but SERIE A is better than EPL, the world says it, please dont kill yourself over it! We got it that you are a loser thanks!:silly: :rolleyes:

I saw you say that we our players are pussies and some more crap,! Drum, please! you making yourself look stupidier than you are..or maybe no!

[Drummer]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
by drummer
by the supposed excitement and power of its teams that bore the shit out of nearly all other supporter of other leagues


Bore the shit out of who!???? Drum jelousy is getting a hold of you in a bad way mate! Please post some more crap! :rolleyes:


Owen is over rated as Mendieta, Inzaghi, figo and many other players. Sorry but SERIE A is better than EPL, the world says it, please dont kill yourself over it! We got it that you are a loser thanks!:silly: :rolleyes:

I saw you say that we our players are pussies and some more crap,! Drum, please! you making yourself look stupidier than you are..or maybe no!

Do you not find it interestring that the only fans that seem to generally agree with your rants about Serie A are in fact Serie A fans. And again, what have I to be jealous about. if i dont like your league then I have nothing to want from your pathetic league.. Italian fans are just making excuses for their teams shortfalls in europe.
Severus, if , like you say, the Serie A is so hard that teams cant focus on 2 things in a season, what does that say for Milan and Juve of the 90's? How good was Serie A then, when they could win both??????????
Italian teams are renowned for having players that would be more at home diving in the olympics then in football. Robbie Keane, only just escaped (because he wasnt good enough or given a fair chance) getting used to rolling around the pitch whinging at refs and that kind of crap. There are very few players in the EPL that ask for players to be shown the yellow card, do you know that any of the players that do that, actually came from Italy, Di canio and Ravanelli to name but a few.

I will not get into a verbal assault with It boy as he obviously writes his posts from planet mindFukk :D

[ItalianBoy]

Mindfukk, nice one, best you can come up with huh?:rolleyes:
I see your wrote Pathetic league! and That we dive a lot and a bunch of crap, as usual. Drum, calm down, you are taking this too seriously, I know that was your rage speaking. You say you are not jelous but I see things like Pathetic, so if oyu are not jelous, why are you so agressvie! I think you need a shrink! :rolleyes:

[Drummer]

I think you need a shrink!
Yeh maybe I should see one. I can confess my sins of interacting on a website with somebody that knows when I am lieing to myself, thats scary that you knew that!!!!!
You see I am not raging, I am just watching Die Hard at the same time as writing this and sometimes I reiterate what Lieutenant John Mclaine says on the box!!!!!!!!!

[B@tigol]

in reply to drummy's signature:
the only cup that man utd might win this season was the league cup but it was gone, poor fergie:rolleyes:

[Drummer]

You see, I would still rate United as having a better chance of winning the EPL then Liverpool. They always choke when they need it. Fulham ,haaa. United would never of dropped points at home like that if they were top and on form.... Keep tyrying boy.How are liverpool doing in Europes most prestigous tournbament this year??? Oh yeh they got thumped by Barca at home ang put 11 men behind the ball in Roma to scrape a draw, very good. How are United doing, well they had the comfort of throwing a 1-0 victory away to Munich in Munich and still top the group. Poor run What s wrong with that??? United hava a better chance of winning the ECL as well!!!!!!!......:D

[B@tigol]

let's see if man utd stands a chance in europe, the match against deportivo was pretty convincing:D

[Drummer]

Yeh, tey lost at the death of one and because of individual errors, very unlucky. At least they werent totally outplayed and thumped 3-1 at home to Barca. How did they do against Bayern again?? They played poor but still got a draw. And unlike Liverpool against Roma, they didnt put all their men behind the ball, yes United Are not afraid to attack teams!!!!!!!!!:D

[B@tigol]

u can't afford to do mistake like that if u want to win the cup, i dun see real madrid or bayern making such a mistakes do u?????
i admit that man utd stand a better chance in europe than liverpool, but u gonna realise that it's only the first time we participate in the CL for 16 years so we r just wan to get as much experience as possible this season

[Severus]

experience for what ? liverlesspool will never recapture their glory years in europe again so you might as well limit yourselves tot he english campaign where atleast you can be competitive. but then again, man U will wipe the $hit from their keesters with your murderous colours anyway, so what's the point ? just continue living your futile existance as the rest of the drunken hoodlums of liverpool do on a daily routine.

DOWN WITH THE MURDERERS !!!!!!!

[B@tigol]

oh severus, pls stop pouring your extreme point everywhere now:D :D :D :D why can't u just forget the tragedy:)

[Drummer]

Dudek parried the ball in front of Chelsea players for at least 2 of their goals. Somebody should teach him that the object and reason for saving a shot is to parry it away from opposing players....... Dont criticise Barthez when your own goalkeeper isnt the best.......... :D

[B@tigol]

haha can't i criticise barthez if dudek isn't the best, so u can't criticise liverpool because man utd isn't the best, so u can't criticise italian football cause irish football isn't as good, isn't that excuse lame????:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: u can't criticise dudek for i didn't see him as the best but he's a good gk, so i got the right to critise barthez , pls dun give such an excuse anymore, it sux:p

[Drummer]

No , not if you doint want to be a hypocrite. You didnt accept that Dudek is not a world class keper, yet you slagged barthez for being so. Sour grapes. Just like most Liverpool fans, waiting for United to slip up, so they can destroy them.
A hypocrite is a person can be a person that slags a particular thing about another person when it has some sort resemblence to themselves.. Dudek is not that good, barthez isnt playing that good, yet you slag Barthez, but defend dudek. theres a lesson in Irony for you.

[ItalianBoy]

Dudek for what I saw isnt this Goalkeeping god and Barthez...... What a joke that dude is!

[Drummer]

Thats funny, an Italian fan, slagging off foreign goalkeepers. Newsflash, the Italian league isnt gifted with exceptional goalkeepers. Barthez would make it into most serie A teams........

[FANTA]

drummer:
Newsflash, the Italian league isnt gifted with exceptional goalkeepers.


well no you are right, it isn't gifted with exceptional keepers ... it's gifted with the BEST keepers in the world.

even his redness king fergie of fergieland said that himself - that italy produces the best keepers in the world.

what do you base this quote on ???

[Drummer]

Again I am not english so this is not a biased opinion, but english keepers tend to be the most reliable ones in the game. Italian keepers couldnt catch a cold and they parry shots in front of oppostion players. I remember Peruzzi for Juve was always considered the best in Italy and he was so crap, I used to love seeing his name on the sheet when United played Juve. He parries evrything. Buffon is not as good a keeper as he is made out to be. taibi lasted 2 odd games at United and was a supposedly good keeper. I think that toldo is a great keeper however. But apart from that who is exceptional?? Rossi (for milan a few seasons ago) was also another "legend" that parried alot and was considered to be better then he actually was. He had the longest clean sheet didnt he? Not surprised in the team he was in.
despite all I have said, the bet goaly ever, still applies his trade in the EPL, senior Schmeichal..
I also find it funny that you quote fergie, half of yee laughed at me when I said that hes the greatest modern day manager, yet yee still try to use quotes from him against what I say. I dont mind you saying that , its just when I use one of his quotes in the future, make sure you are not hypocritical by slagging off that because fergie says it doesnt make it true!!!!!!!!!!
EPL goalkeepers Shay Given, Nigel Martyn, Seaman, schmeichal these are all very reliable keepers. Italian keepers are snazzy keepers, they make smart saves and look good, but these boys are solid. Not unbreachable, not unbelievable (except schmeichal) but solid. they catch crosses and Push shots around posts. Again this is my own opinion, a bit like some enjoy the Serie A then EPL, thats fine, I prefer a solid keeper, to a "spectacular" (loose use of this word) one, and I dont consider continental keepers like the ones in the serie A or even La primera to be solid. Germany always seem to have solid keepers also. Even though they tend to parry the ball alot, I think that they are more reliable then the rest.........

[FANTA]

i agree schmiechel however you spell his name is one of, if not THE, best keeper that there ever was. he's still great now with villa but not the best in the world. he was the reason manU won the treble.

taibi is pretty good and wasen't given a fair go at manU. he played what, 4 games ? his first game he was MOM against liverpool was he not ?? and then a couple of games later against southhampton where he let in 2 stupid goals, he was gone.

as you can see with barthez recently, stupid amateur mistakes can happen to anyone. taibi was treated pretty unfairly i thought.

as for buffon, toldo, peruzzi and the rest. they are all world class.

i believe buffon is the only keeper in the world who is able to say he's saved a ronaldo PK. before he went to juve he was rated as best in the world. he hasen't lived up to expectations yet but he is still young (22 i think) and will be inbetween the sticks for italy for a long time to come.

toldo, just magnicicent. best in the world. barca and manU both wanted him, and look at his performanes in euro2000 and you'll see why.

peruzzi, he's consistent and solid every game. he's not crap at all. every keeper parries shots sometimes. not everyone can catch balls going 140km/h all the time.

as for rossi, the less said about him the better. milan always have horrible keepers - dida, and abbiati who i like to call the best of the worst.

as for EPL keepers seaman, martyn, given, barthez etc. i would'nt say given is THAT reliable and going on recent form barthez either. seaman was definately one of the greats but he is past it now. what is he 39 ? .... but euro96, save on mcallister :thumbsup:
martyn and neil sullivan are also world class but not in the calibre of toldo, buffon IMO.

the keepers in la liga are all a joke i hope we can agree on that.

yeah kahn is great also i guess.

[Drummer]

I would agree with most of what you said there, but I still dont think that Peruzzi is a good keeper. No , not all keepers catch fast shots, but alot of keepers kill the flight and pick it up, or parry it around the post. Maybe Peruzzi has improved since i last saw him, but I remember seeing shim parry shots straight at him, he is better at jumping like a circus clown then catching a ball. Again thsi is my opinion, so we all win......:D

[Drummer]

Your damn right about shmeichal and my spelling of his name. he should of been in contention for World playe of the year in 99' along with keane. Did you see the game he had against arsenal in te FA cup semi final that year? that is my most favourate game of all time (for united). It brings tears to my eyes thinking about it. Schmeichal saved a peno from Bergkamp in thew 90th minute. he then got injured making a great save in extra time, but united had no more subs so he played on. He was exceptional that day. there are plenty more of them. Thanks for te memories Peter....

[FANTA]

yep that FA cup semi-final replay was one of the best games i've ever seen. i remember him saying that he knew which way bergkamp would shoot because that's the way he always did his penalties - to the right.

he was also instrumental in winning the CL as well.

against inter,

1st leg: that one handed save on the flying zamorano

2nd leg: again one handed save on ronaldo one-on-one

the final,

tipping scholl's (i think) shot onto the post when he was one-on-one

in injury time going up into the box for the corner kick - and almost getting to it !

and getting back to keepers, one of the best in the EPL at the moment - the italian cudicini :thumbsup:

[Drummer]

Yeh , everything you say about Schmeichal is true .
And as for Cudechini, he is one of my favourate Italian players after his performance against Liverpool. He is playing brilliantly. He is definantly one of the top goalkeepers around at the moment, his form is amazing. I couldnt believe some of the saves he was making. Yeh, top post Fanta. That cudicini lad loks destined for stardom, if he continues the way he is going..:)

[B@tigol]

Originally posted by Drummer
No , not if you doint want to be a hypocrite. You didnt accept that Dudek is not a world class keper, yet you slagged barthez for being so. Sour grapes. Just like most Liverpool fans, waiting for United to slip up, so they can destroy them.
A hypocrite is a person can be a person that slags a particular thing about another person when it has some sort resemblence to themselves.. Dudek is not that good, barthez isnt playing that good, yet you slag Barthez, but defend dudek. theres a lesson in Irony for you.

did i ever said that dudek is the best keeper in the world, why should i slag him???? why don't u slag barthez????? u can slag dudek, that's ur choice, so do i could said something about barthez, but u talk as if u got to have a better gk than barthez before u could criticise him, as far as this, u r the one who is more hypocritical as u want to use this term n' about i defended dudek, u also defended barthez, so u r a hypocrite????????

[Drummer]

u can't criticise dudek for i didn't see him as the best but he's a good gk, so i got the right to critise barthez , pls dun give such an excuse anymore, it sux
Because Dudek is good in your opinoin, that means yo can criticise bartez. MMMMM makes sense. You can criticise who you want, but that doesnt mean that you cant be hypocritical when doing so. Your keeper has proven nothing in world football yet, but you still have the gaul to criticise Barthez on a few errors. Lets see if Dudek ever wins a Wc and a Euro Championship. Sure Bartez is having a bad run, but people all to quickly change their tune when they get the chance to puit down world class players, especially United one's.
I only slagged Dudek in a response to Barthez, originally. I never said that Barthez was the best, but I am not fickle enough to rate him soley on a few bad performances, like so many have. You are quick to defend Dudek on a few performances, yet you criticise me for slagging him off on what I have seen of him. Again you should clear your head before you speak.
Again the reason I dont slag Barthez is because I may say that he is playing shit at the mo, but I refuse to putthe dagger in and say that because of exremely poor form, like England fans would do all too quickly. remember Beckham? How much he was hated after the Argi match?? You are the most fickle nation ever. keegan was loved for a whole month or so. Erikson was condemned before he was even appointed manager, yet now you right songs about him.
You see the differance between mye being a hypocrite and you ist that , I have no problem with you saying that Irish football isnt the best, because its not. But when I say that Dudek isnt a great keeper, you have the gaul to slag me. Thats the differance boy..I never said that Bartez is the greatest player in the world, just that Dudek isnt. All I said is that you cant slag off Dudek without awknowledging that Dudek isnt exactly a legend. Thats what I meant by you cant slag Barthez off........

[B@tigol]

ok, now let's discuss all things peacefully, ok???? i dun wan to make this place like the anger forum

firstly, how can i agree with u on dudek's performance when he's playing well??????? barthez made too much mistakes back then so i criticise him, u too defended him by bashing dudek, so was it wrong for me to defend dudek when u defended barthez????

[Drummer]

You first jumped on the Hate campaign against Barthez, when he fukked up a bit. Everybody has bad phases and Liverpool fans especially are always quick to bash them.
All I simply said is that Dudek, while playing alright, is not exactly the worlds best, so If I was you (especially a Liverpool fan slagging off a United Keeper, what a laugh) ,I would be more inclined to worry about how my own teams Keeper will fare, in the long run.
I just think that its so funny that a Liverpool fan has the audacity to slag a world cup and Euro Championship winning goalkeeper, when his own club cant even find a keeper whose capable of catching a ball. I will point you to Chelsea's 3 and 4th goals. I didnt see a world class save or catch there. I just think that if you are all going to judge Bartez on his bad games, then the same should be saidf of Dudek. Incidentally, he played particularly poorly in a WC qualifier for Poland, where they lost 3-1 and he let a scandalas goal.... Am i allowed to say that???????? Or is it only when United players play bad???????

[Sebastian]

why do you even discus about OWEN calcio fans???????????//
the man is.......:confused:.............i should invent an apropreate word that will suit him...............i hate him man,i newer wanna see him in the seria B..........

[Drummer]

You see, its not the players that people generally hate about liverpool , its the fans, they are so up themselves its not funny. And before any of them reply, where have I boasted about Uniteds success on this board???
Owen is a great player. He hasnt totally proven himself yet. But if he keeps going the way he is, he will be a legend.
i cant think of a reason that you hate him elcino, if its because the Pool fans wont shut up about him, then fine. To be honest you will never see him in the serie B. Do you know what. He is currently involved in a competition that 50% of Italy's clubs (that qualified in) arent in, the CL. You will get a decent look at him in the WC. i know alot of Serie A fans are too up themselves to rate players in the EPl, unless they have serie A experience, so I understand the story here................

[B@tigol]

i think most liverpool supporters r very nice indeed, i dunno whether u have seen fans who r abusive, i dun see any, as a matter of facts, i never say that dudek is world class, rite???? i just happy we finally got ourselves a steady gk, i dun see hiim making as many mistakes n' errors as the previous gk.
elcino, let's me ask u one simple question, why do u hate him so much?????:confused: did he ever do anything to u????

[Drummer]

Well its not that they are abusive, more obnoxious. bitter in defeat and in your face in victory. I always say hard luck to my Liverpool fans when United beat them, but when Liverpool win they shove it in my face and loat for weeks. Its the same of most Liverpool fans in ireland. I have been to many message boards and have read nothing differant that suggests that liverpool fans anywhere else are any more humble... maybe you are differant, but be clear, I am not saying that they are thugs or anything like that, just mainly bitter...

[B@tigol]

i must say that thre r different kind of fans everywhere, maybe the red fans in ur place r bitter but not every fan is like that, most of the liverpool fans i know r supportive n' kind

[Drummer]

Thats a fair point. Like i said maybe you are differant. Around here United fans arent as likely to brag as perhaps somewhere else. Maybe they do somewhere else. But all I can do is respond to how i percieve posts. Any italian fans I have met have been decent and humble, thats alot that can be said for some of the imbeciles on this site.
Maybe we can get along, time will tell.............. ;)

[B@tigol]

maybe:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
let me tell u something, my best friend is a man utd fan;)

[Drummer]

so is mine. In fact i have more Liverpool fan friends then United. I only have 1 united fan friend... They all rub it in my face all the time. Maybe thats why I get so pissed off.. We might not agree on everything but maybe we will get on after all. The likes of IT boy have no hope at all. he is so full of shit its not funny... I think I will have to write my posts a little bit clearer, I think alot of people take what I mean the wrong way......:thumbsup:

[B@tigol]

i accept logical n' pointful critise when we r not performing the way we should be , but there r some members who said something pointless such as liverpool sux, the biggest loser etc just cause they hate the club

[Drummer]

Some people in particular are saying that probobley because of the way Liverpool played against Roma. In particular a person (I dont care to mention, not It boy), mentioned that who cares how a team plays if they win or get results which is the exact point. Its not nice to watch, but is a means to an end. I would rather win in style as would most. I suppose some people are probobley just as much having a go at the EPL as well as Liverpool. that was written when the pool were top..... ;)

[Drummer]

They also seem to hate Mr Owen, I dont kno why. he doesnt go around saying he's great , talking about other potential clubs he may play for if he doesnt get the contract he desires, like most players in Serie A do. I hear of a player a day being quoted as saying , " oh yeh, I'd love to play for united or Liverpool" just so they can get better terms on the negotiation table. Of course this is probobley being a bit unfair, as it does happen in the EPL a fair bit also. But my point is that Owen is a gentleman and NOT A STAR in the razzamatazz sense. England have a real gem to be proud of and some people just dont like that..... Im Irish Im a united fan and to be honest I wish that Beckham was more like Owen in the old showbizz sense. Beckham is spending millions on his own hype bandwagon , which seems to be popular amoing many fans. i prefer pro's like Keane and Shearer that just get on with it and remain firmly out of the bars and the limelight. i didnt mention any Italians because I dont know of any (not to say there arent) before anybody attacks me... Alot of stars are beginning to play elsewhere outside Serie A and their fans dont like it. Again thats not a slag. In the 90's Serie A had pretty much cornered the market with regards to players. if you didnt play in the Serie A or perhaps with Madrid or Barca, then you werent really considered to be world class. Now you see great players in several leagues, La Primera (more teams) , Germany and EPL. Maybe people dont think that there are that many, but its in stark contrast to the way it used to be.......

[B@tigol]

They also seem to hate Mr Owen, I dont kno why. he doesnt go around saying he's great ,

this is what i'm angry about, i think he's a very humble lad, he's always trying to score goals the simple way, that made him so good in his finishing, yet somebody in this forum always said he's overrated, that's rubbish, just cause the media gave some attention to him, that's overrating?????? he never say that he's the best in the world...........
about beckham case, i think that giggs deserve more than him, he's a better player than him IMO, but he always keep a low profile, that's what i admire about him...the second player i like in man utd is keano, his attitude something is annoying, but noone could deny his contributing to united's success during the last decade, u could see the difference when he's not playing
these the only players i like in united, the rest r just not in my list:D

[R9ronaldo]

owen isn't goin to stay at liverpool his whole life maybe he will who knows but clubs like real madrid would buy him just the on theworldgame.com.au real has to buy a very good player every year do u think he'll stay or go? i reckon he'll go

[lbc11]

i think owen would not leave liverpool and liverpool would not give up with owen.

[B@tigol]

i'm sure he won't leave in 5 years time

[Roberto Abrego]

Its true that Liverpool,want this players???



they r awesome!

[B@tigol]

i would prefer salif diao:)

[Roberto Abrego]

Its official they sign Diouf


Diao will probably sign soon,but mat go to the team on December.

[psh03]

I thought the way Diouf played was similar to Owen. Considering how he played with Vassel in the WC do you think they can both play well together?

[bullardo]

i think owen an awesome player a I dont thiink liverpool should try everything possible to keep him for a long time

[Komik 9]

Diouf is not as much a striker as Owen is, so I think that it is a good combination, Diouf setting him up or at least drawing defenders to him so that Owen can get more space. However, Is Heskey set to play on the left wing or what. Or Diouf will be a substitute, so that he can come in with his energy in the second half.

[Komik 9]

It is very hard to convince Owen to leave Liverpool, at least as long as the team is fighting for the top spot in the PL and CL.
I think he'll stay for a very long time. At least I hope.

[B@tigol]

though i dun like him very much, i shall not make judgement so early, let's hope he can proves some value to liverpool

[B@tigol]

yes, he's , i think he's the most indispensible player in liverpool rite now cause he's the symbol of liverpool

[Komik 9]

Originally posted by B@tigol
though i dun like him very much, i shall not make judgement so early, let's hope he can proves some value to liverpool

Yes, the bad thing in the WC with him that he always tried to show how much he can do with the ball, sometimes he got very tired quickly for trying too much. It's okay to dribble when he's getting closer to the opponents goal, but not in the midfield. However, he's very young so he'll have time to learn. Liverpool's coach will teach him well. It's the right gu for the job.

[Severus]

symbolic of liverpool ?????

why is he a drunken hooligan looking to loot his next target ?

all liverpool is symbolic of is murdering !!!!

bloody dirty scousers !

[Flukey Lukey]

How did i know Severus would appear on this thread at some time? :)

Although i must say, its dificult to see how you criticise Ronnie Raygun, and then you post something like that :eek:

[tuseef]

name me one club in the world other than Bayern Munich or Real Madrid where Owen could go and further his career??

answer: you cant

Owen will remain with LFC for life...he gets paid £75k per week, the team is built around him...he scores loads of goals...liverpool are successful and the fans love him

YNWA

[Roberto Abrego]

I think he is better than Owen he is a more complete player.

[waq]

So many Senegalese player.

[waq]

Owen must leave Liverpool if he wants to prove himself to be a worth while world super-star.

[HajdukFan02]

hi guys,i wanted to ask you guys if you think biscan will play any role on liverpools team this year or should he just be released?

[B@tigol]

i think unless he shows something special this season, he'll be just released, he's a good player, but he just playing out of his position as the combination of the backs r very good, so he won't get anything there, so most probably, goodbye for him

[B@tigol]

severus, pls consider ur own position when u express urself, u r a moderator n' a senior member of WSB, but u r talking like a cheap bastard

[ItalianBoy]

MAN! I love this kid! He will be awesome in the future! Don't say I didn't predict it! I want him in Italia! :D
The guy is the "French Rivaldo" IMO.

[ItalianBoy]

Can you guys give me some info on this guy etc?
What do you think of him?
I want him at Juve!

[duttend]

agree!
he is a left defender and still he scores allot. did u see hes goal against Denmark(2-2)? he hitted the post 2 times to at the game.

[B@tigol]

how did we got him so easily????? cause he was unknown n' unwanted at that time, GH saw the potential in him n' bought him for a reasonable prize, no need big name;)

[B@tigol]

i only saw him for a few matches, so no comment; but this signing could be a good one as u know who signed him:D ;)

[ItalianBoy]

What do you mean? Liv'poll signed him from Lille I think.
Still Can you tell me where I can get some goals etc of him? Let me know. Like how was his goal this CL Game? Let me know how it was.

[ItalianBoy]

AWESOME? No way! Over rated for sure.

[Red-Kop]

Owen doesn't want to leave and Houllier won't sell him. Houllier said for 50 million dollars, Real can have Owen's left foot. I think that sends out a pretty clear message.

[Red-Kop]

Here's mine.......

GK: Ray Clemence
LB: Alan Kennedy
RB: Phil Neal
CB: Alan Hansen
CB: Sami Hyypia
LW: John Barnes
RW: Billy Liddell
CM: Steven Gerrard
CM: Graeme Souness
ST: Kenny Dalglish
ST: Michael Owen

Subs:

GK: Bruce Grobbelaar
CB: Mark Lawrenson
CM: Jimmy Case
ST: Kevin Keegan
ST: Ian Rush

[theorist]

Actually there were speculations about Madrid buying Owen this year. But Owen is a loyal Red man, while Ronaldo is a bloody traitor. Though Owen is a better footballer than Ronaldo.

[JD]

the trouble with English football is none of our players are willing to move abroad (a combination of the English insularity and the high wages in the EPL) the very best players in the whole world have played in more than 1 country and devloped their game as they learn from different football cultures- I think if Owen moved to Spain and Beckham to Italy they would become far better players and be role models for younger english players who would then be more likely to consider a move abroad-
the highest profile Englishman outside of the EPL are
1- McManaman
2- Hargreaves (never played in EPL learnt all his football abroad)
3- Sutton (that long move 100 miles north of the border to Glasgow)
4- Samways?!?!
of the top footballing nations Italy (Vieri apart who learnt a lot in Spain) and Germany are also pretty insular. Every other top team has a good few of their best players plying their trade abroad -(look at France and Holland!)

I think England needs more players to move abroad and develop and Erickson's continued refusal to pick McManaman is making this even less likely of happening.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Here's mine.......

GK: Ray Clemence
LB: Alan Kennedy
RB: Phil Neal
CB: Alan Hansen
CB: Sami Hyypia
LW: John Barnes
RW: Billy Liddell
CM: Steven Gerrard
CM: Graeme Souness
ST: Kenny Dalglish
ST: Michael Owen

Subs:

GK: Bruce Grobbelaar
CB: Mark Lawrenson
CM: Jimmy Case
ST: Kevin Keegan
ST: Ian Rush

How stupid are you????How could you include Hyypia, Gerrard and Owen in this team??

How about this.......

GK:CLEMENCE
RB:NEAL
LB:KENNEDY
CB:HANSEN
CB:SMITH
RW:LIDDELL
LW:HEIGHWAY
CM:SOUNESS
CM:DALGLISH
ST:RUSH
ST:HUNT

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD
the very best players in the whole world have played in more than 1 country and devloped their game as they learn from different football cultures- I think if Owen moved to Spain and Beckham to Italy they would become far better players and be role models for younger english players who would then be more likely to consider a move abroad-
the highest profile Englishman outside of the EPL are
1- McManaman
2- Hargreaves (never played in EPL learnt all his football abroad)
3- Sutton (that long move 100 miles north of the border to Glasgow)
4- Samways?!?!
of the top footballing nations Italy (Vieri apart who learnt a lot in Spain) and Germany are also pretty insular. Every other top team has a good few of their best players plying their trade abroad -(look at France and Holland!)
I think England needs more players to move abroad and develop and Erickson's continued refusal to pick McManaman is making this even less likely of happening.

1.Totti,Del Piero,Raul,Maldini,Valeron,Cannavaro and Nesta have spent there entire careers in one country,are they not among the worlds best players???
2.Hargreaves is canadian
3.Spanish players don't leave spain very often either,so it's really only,Holland and France,and if those leagues could generate enough money to keep the best players they would.

[theorist]

It's reasonable enough that Spanish players play in Spain, and Italian in Italy. These are the best Leagues. English players live in an illusion that their League worth something, while it's obvious that it's a second class league, lower even than Bundesliga.

[Red-Kop]

The Rule, you're obviously an annoying idiot! Plenty of people would pick Hyypia ahead of Lawrenson. Why? Because they consider him better than him. Simple Really! Rush scored loads for Liverpool, but he did it when the league wasn't as strong. Owen is doing it in one of the tougest leagues in the world. Gerrard can become a football legend. He can easily go on to be as good as Vieira, in time.

[Red-Kop]

Why the hell would I want our leagues best players to move abroad? They're playing in one of the best leagues in the world! They're fine here, thanks!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
The Rule, you're obviously an annoying idiot! Plenty of people would pick Hyypia ahead of Lawrenson. Why? Because they consider him better than him. Simple Really! Rush scored loads for Liverpool, but he did it when the league wasn't as strong. Owen is doing it in one of the tougest leagues in the world. Gerrard can become a football legend. He can easily go on to be as good as Vieira, in time.

And you're obviously a retard,I didn't pick Lawrenson(who rates Hyypia as better than him,they mustn't have seen him play),I picked tommy smith(you know who he is??),Rush's place in history is secured,owen has been great so far but hsn't come close to matching his accomplishments,Gerrard can become a footbal legend,you picked him ahead of Hunt,who is a football legend.

[Red-Kop]

Most people would pick Lawrenson and Hyypia ahead of Smith. I don't know who he is? He was a Liverpool player for 18 years. Played over 600 games for Liverpool. He was a hard man, etc. Dalglish wasn't a midfielder. I don't care if Owen hasn't matched what Rushy achieved. He's as good as him, if not better.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by theorist
It's reasonable enough that Spanish players play in Spain, and Italian in Italy. These are the best Leagues. English players live in an illusion that their League worth something, while it's obvious that it's a second class league, lower even than Bundesliga.

Oh yeah you really know your stuff don't you??The Bundesliga has a few decent teams and then Bayern and Dortmund and Seria A is a financial mess,with only Juventus, and the two Milan clubs able to compete in the financial market now,players will play in the leagues they feel secure in(this is how the make their livings)Italy is two risky and Germany is uncompetitive(that's why the Canadian wants to leave) so it only leaves England and Spain,and the only clubs in Spain who could afford to buy the handlefull off British players capable of playing in Spain,are already strong in those positions with the exception of central defense.

The bottom line is that the top English players(OWEN,GERRARD,BECKHAM,SCHOLES,FERDINAND,CAMPBELL AND ASHLEY COLE)are over-rated price wise and the top European clubs won't pay the prices,look at ferdinand,€29.1 million,Cannavaro and Nesta cost less than that combined,anyone think Ferdinand is better than either of the two Italians??and Beckham and Owen supposed to be worth €50million each,ZIDANE COST €47.3MILLION,Does anyone think Beckham is even half as good as Zidane, Owen there may be a case for,but he's not worth €50 million

[The Rule]

NO I DOUBT THEY WOULD PICK HYYPIA OVER SMITH.

Anyway,this is meant to be "the best liverpool team ever"so it should be on what players accomplished is there careers at the club,not what the could have done.Rush not only scored more goals than Owen,but he contributed to far more success.and yes dalglish was a midfielder,an attacking midfield yes,but a midfielder all the same

[Red-Kop]

Of course Owen is worth more than 50 million pounds! English players aren't overpriced; Foreign players are underpriced.

[The Rule]

And Tommy Smith was far more than a hard-man,he was a great defender and a good passer of the ball as well,he scored one or two important goals for the club as well

[Red-Kop]

No one would class Dalglish as a central midfielder! He was a forward. I'd pick Lawrenson over Smith, and Hyypia over Lawrenson. So would a lot of people.

[Red-Kop]

You attacked my team first, not the other way around.

[The Rule]

I don't know who these people are,they most only be 12 like you,Hyypia has been at the club for three and a half years,he's been a good player,i won't argue that but tommy smith played 633 times and won every honour he could win,

4 First Division Champions
2 F.A. Cup
2 European Cups
2 UEFA Cup
1 European Super Cup
1 England Junior World Cup
5 Charity Shields

Dalglish played the same role Zidane does,would you class Zidane as a striker??

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Of course Owen is worth more than 50 million pounds! English players aren't overpriced; Foreign players are underpriced.

So at this point in time Owen is better than Zidane??

[Red-Kop]

Zidane was getting old when he moved to Real. Owen is still only 22 and has his whole career ahead of him.

[Red-Kop]

Dalglish didn't play in the same role as Zidane does. He was a forward, he played in a similar to role to what Bergkamp or Zola does.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Zidane was getting old when he moved to Real. Owen is still only 22 and has his whole career ahead of him.

Did you see Zidane last season??he was unreal.and i didn't ask about there ages,i know what age they are,i asked you,Is Michale Owen a better player than Zinedine Zidane?yes or no

[The Rule]

When he first came to the club,yes he was a striker but his best performances where when he was moved back inot a free-role behind the striker,no he wasn't like Zola or Bergkamp,they played further up the field

[Red-Kop]

Obviously no. You're such a nob head! I was explaining to you why Owen's valued at what he is, and why Zidane cost what he did. I wouldn't of thought anyone would of needed that explaining to them though :rolleyes:

[Red-Kop]

''A free role behind the striker'', well obviously that would make him like Zola or Bergkamp then :rolleyes:

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Obviously no. You're such a nob head! I was explaining to you why Owen's valued at what he is, and why Zidane cost what he did. I wouldn't of thought anyone would of needed that explaining to them though :rolleyes:

IT'S SPELT KNOB-HEAD YOU LITTLE SPA, with Owen's history of injuries no club with any sense is going to pay that kind of money for him,it's too risky,plus he hasn't really done too much on the big stage,He was poor in the champions league this year,he was poor in the World Cup and in Euro 2000,I know he won Euro player of the year,but Zidane has won both that and World Player of the year on multiple occasions,as well as constantly performing on the big occasion

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
''A free role behind the striker'', well obviously that would make him like Zola or Bergkamp then :rolleyes:

No it doesn't you spa,they play up front and drop deep,he played behind the striker and linked the game,like Zidane does at Real

[Red-Kop]

Owen is past his injury problems now. He hasn't done much on the world stage? What the **** are you talking about! Is that why he's considered one of the best strikers in the world, all over the planet? Are you sure you're a Liverpool fan? Because I don't know too many that'd gip our best player off!

[Red-Kop]

Zidane doesn't play behind the stiker, he plays behind the striker''s''! Dalglish played behind ''a'' striker. You're wrong and you know it, but you keep carrying on :rolleyes:

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Owen is past his injury problems now. He hasn't done much on the world stage? What the **** are you talking about! Is that why he's considered one of the best strikers in the world, all over the planet? Are you sure you're a Liverpool fan? Because I don't know too many that'd gip our best player off!

Owen will never be past his problems,look at giigs,he had those problems when he was young and they still bother him now,and tell me how he's proved himself on the world-stage??What has he done in the big tournaments since 1998,he's a great player and i am a fan of his but he's not even the best striker in the england,never mind the world,in fact i'd be surprised if he's in the top five in the world

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Zidane doesn't play behind the stiker, he plays behind the striker''s''! Dalglish played behind ''a'' striker. You're wrong and you know it, but you keep carrying on :rolleyes:

If you watched Spanish soccer,Zidane plays behind Ronaldo,withr Rau lon the left and Figo on the right,when France won the world cup he played behind Guivarch with four midfielders behind him

[Red-Kop]

''Soccer'', give me a break! Solari plays on the left, Figo on the right, Zidane as the attacking midfielder, and Ronaldo and Raul up-front.

[Red-Kop]

Come to the Liverpool message boards on the official site. You'll get ripped apart for saying that, because you're completely wrong!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
''Soccer'', give me a break! Solari plays on the left, Figo on the right, Zidane as the attacking midfielder, and Ronaldo and Raul up-front.

Solari isn't even in the team, Cambiasso and Makelele play in the centre with Figo right, Zidane central and Raul on the left.

[Red-Kop]

Solari is in the team! If he's not playing, then Cambiasso can move out to the left. Zidane, Ronaldo, Raul and Figo are guaranteed places in the team. Solari, Cambiasso and Makelele battle it out for the other 2 places.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Come to the Liverpool message boards on the official site. You'll get ripped apart for saying that, because you're completely wrong!

I go on it and have made my points very clear and any intelligent football fan on there will tell you that i know what i'm talking about.I'll get ripped apart,oh i'm scared if a bunch of little shits like you say retarded things to me,because you know nothing about the game

[Red-Kop]

What's your name on it?

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Solari is in the team! If he's not playing, then Cambiasso can move out to the left. Zidane, Ronaldo, Raul and Figo are guaranteed places in the team. Solari, Cambiasso and Makelele battle it out for the other 2 places.

cambiasso and makelele have played every game this year,solari only played against Bacre cos Zidane was out injured,if he's in the team then why did they offer him in the ronaldo deal??and in that game he played left and raul played in Zidane's position

[The Rule]

I use the same one on all th boards i chat on,i rarely go on th official one because most people on there have ***k all clue what they are talking about.most of the original crew are gone,we use lots of different message boards these days

[Red-Kop]

''Why did they off Solari in the Ronaldo deal?'' Who would you rather have, Ronaldo or Solari? Makelele and Cambiasso haven't played in every game. Raul doesn't play on the left wing! Only an idiot would suggest that!

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
''Why did they off Solari in the Ronaldo deal?'' Who would you rather have, Ronaldo or Solari? Makelele and Cambiasso haven't played in every game. Raul doesn't play on the left wing! Only an idiot would suggest that!

yes they have played every game,unless one of them was rested like in two CL games,go to the madrid page and look at the thread,Starting XI and everyone has put the same formation

__________________-CASILLAS-______________________

SALGADO---------HIERRO----------HELGUIRA---------------CARLOS

-----------------MAKELELE------------CAMBIASSO-------------------

FIGO-----------------------ZIDANE---------------------------RAUL

----------------------------RONALDO------------------------------------

Everyone who has seen madrid play this year knows they play like this,with Zidane, Figo and Raul all swirching and moving around,with Ronaldo or Guti which ever one of them plays up front on their own and the rest supporting them

[Red-Kop]

Raul doesn't play that far out wide!

[The Rule]

He plays left of the three free-roles that madrid give and operates anywhere between there and way out on the right,figo does the same from the far side and Zidane does what he wants to do

[Red-Kop]

I know how Real play. Raul plays in a similar role to which you're describing. But he plays further forward than Figo and Zidane.

[The Rule]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
I know how Real play. Raul plays in a similar role to which you're describing. But he plays further forward than Figo and Zidane.
He did last season but not this year,it's part of the whole built the team around ronaldo cos he can't run anymore strategy that madrid are using at the moment

[Red-Kop]

There's been loads of great Liverpool players. But which one is the best?

I'd have to say, Kenny Dalglish.....

He was a genius. Winning 3 European Cups and 6 League Championships. Playing 481 times for Liverpool, and winning 102 Scotland Caps.

Quite Simply - A Phenomenal Player

[tok87]

Bruce Grobblar

[The Rule]

Originally posted by tok87
Bruce Grobblar

You have to be taking the piss.

Tommy Smith,he was there for the good times and the bad,he won everything there was to win, and was a tremendous player on top of it.

[tok87]

I really liked the guy, he was so funny:D

[theorist]

Robbie Fowler /JK:D

[JD]

1.Totti,Del Piero,Raul,Maldini,Valeron,Cannavaro and Nesta have spent there entire careers in one country,are they not among the worlds best players???
2.Hargreaves is canadian
3.Spanish players don't leave spain very often either,so it's really only,Holland and France,and if those leagues could generate enough money to keep the best players they would. [/B][/QUOTE]

in random order 2: Hargreaves - I know where he's from, thats my point the highest profile (potential)England players abroad other than Macca either aren't really English or live in Scotland! o and Vinny Samways.

1 Obviously you have just listed 5 great Italians (Vieri is as good as those players and improved abroad) and 2 great Spaniards it doesn't really prove anything other than Italy and Spain suffer from what England suffers from- a rich league and insular players. When those two countries, full of passionate football fans where knocked out of the world cup they all looked for excuses, for someone to blame because they each believe their league is the best league, that these players are its strongest players and that they therefore should win. They blame refs, find conspiracies, email complaints and expel korean players. I blame insularity.
The serie A culture of diving is totally ingrained in the players - italian refs are used to it, expect ity and see it as part of the game. when international refs see it they become irritated feel the players are trying to con them and react negatively. Serie A formations can be to rigid - and Italy sometimes find it hard to dominate far weaker opposition. both of these problems can be, would be, addressed by players with experience of different football cultures. Spain have there own footballing cultural strengths and inadequacies exacerbated by a lack of travelling players.

IMO the best teams in the world are France and Brasil.
i'll finish this l8r

[Red-Kop]

JD, all of this is complete bollocks!

For example, why the ***k would i want Owen to move abroad, just to make the national team slightly better? And him playing abroad wouldn't really make him any better anyway, because he's already playing in a great league. I want all our league's best players to stay where they are because that means it'll be a better league.

Brazil produce great players because of the climate, their massive love for the game and the fact that they've got a population of 180 million! France produce great players because they've got the best facilities.

[zaccus]

yeah, great facilities that gh started... and i cant see owen leaving ever because he, like us, is a reds fan

[JD]

I'm not saying u as a liverpool fan should want owen 2go- Just that its better for the england NT. McManaman has added so much to his game in Madrid - they see him as a hard working midfielder always closing the ball!

Owen would improve as a player if he played in a free flowing exciting attacking team with width, creativity on the ball and other world class players for the oposition to mark, a team capable of having a real crack at being champions of europe. He would score more goals, increase in confidence and become an improved more complete player for the NT.

It's better for you guys he finds it abroad than in London or Manchester.

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by JD
I'm not saying u as a liverpool fan should want owen 2go- Just that its better for the england NT. McManaman has added so much to his game in Madrid - they see him as a hard working midfielder always closing the ball!

Owen would improve as a player if he played in a free flowing exciting attacking team with width, creativity on the ball and other world class players for the oposition to mark, a team capable of having a real crack at being champions of europe. He would score more goals, increase in confidence and become an improved more complete player for the NT.

It's better for you guys he finds it abroad than in London or Manchester.

McManaman is a failure in Madrid, how the hell can you tell whether he's added anything to his game? He's hardly played!

''Owen would improve as a player if he played in a free flowing exciting attacking team with width, creativity on the ball''

Liverpool can do that, all they need to do is buy, which they're more than capable of.

Owen isn't going to go anywhere. Especially not to London :rolleyes:

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD
1.Totti,Del Piero,Raul,Maldini,Valeron,Cannavaro and Nesta have spent there entire careers in one country,are they not among the worlds best players???
2.Hargreaves is canadian
3.Spanish players don't leave spain very often either,so it's really only,Holland and France,and if those leagues could generate enough money to keep the best players they would.

in random order 2: Hargreaves - I know where he's from, thats my point the highest profile (potential)England players abroad other than Macca either aren't really English or live in Scotland! o and Vinny Samways.

1 Obviously you have just listed 5 great Italians (Vieri is as good as those players and improved abroad) and 2 great Spaniards it doesn't really prove anything other than Italy and Spain suffer from what England suffers from- a rich league and insular players. When those two countries, full of passionate football fans where knocked out of the world cup they all looked for excuses, for someone to blame because they each believe their league is the best league, that these players are its strongest players and that they therefore should win. They blame refs, find conspiracies, email complaints and expel korean players. I blame insularity.
The serie A culture of diving is totally ingrained in the players - italian refs are used to it, expect ity and see it as part of the game. when international refs see it they become irritated feel the players are trying to con them and react negatively. Serie A formations can be to rigid - and Italy sometimes find it hard to dominate far weaker opposition. both of these problems can be, would be, addressed by players with experience of different football cultures. Spain have there own footballing cultural strengths and inadequacies exacerbated by a lack of travelling players.

IMO the best teams in the world are France and Brasil.
i'll finish this l8r [/B][/QUOTE]

what would you know??your team is like a league of nations convebtion,you've only got the 70's pornstar in goal,judas at centre back, and that fairy at left full who are english in your team. your points about the EPL suffering the same way as the spanish and italian leagues is bolox.spain is suffering??considering la liga is the best in the world,and the most entertaining,i'd hate to see it prosper and there national team is good and will get better,it's a very young team.Italy has rich clubs,like who roma and lazio??two of there greatest clubs are on the verge of bankruptcy,and they have a fool in charge of the national team who refuses to play his best players,cos they don't fit his system.....HEY TRAP,YOUR SYSTEM WAS GOOD IN THE 80'S BUT IT HASN'T WORKED SINCE THEN..........

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD
I'm not saying u as a liverpool fan should want owen 2go- Just that its better for the england NT. McManaman has added so much to his game in Madrid - they see him as a hard working midfielder always closing the ball!

Owen would improve as a player if he played in a free flowing exciting attacking team with width, creativity on the ball and other world class players for the oposition to mark, a team capable of having a real crack at being champions of europe. He would score more goals, increase in confidence and become an improved more complete player for the NT.

It's better for you guys he finds it abroad than in London or Manchester.

YEAH IT'S DONE WONDERS FOR MACCAS ENGLAND CAREER HASN'T IT??

OWEN WOULD BE BETTER IN ITALY OR SPAIN???HOW,PLAYERS LIKE HIM WHO RELY ON THERE PACE RARELY DO WELL IN THOSE LEAGUES,LOOK AT HENRY AND ANELKA.

AND WHAT THE ***K HAVE MANCHESTER AND LONDON GOT TO DO WITH IT,DO YOU THINK OWEN WOULD WANT TO SIGN FOR ARSENAL OR UNITED??NOT VERY BRIGHT ARE YOU???????

[JD]

ok bit by bit
"what would you know??your team is like a league of nations convebtion,you've only got the 70's pornstar in goal,judas at centre back, and that fairy at left full who are english in your team."
sorry I don't understand why your dislike of the English players in Arsenal's team affects what I "would know"

"your points about the EPL suffering the same way as the spanish and italian leagues is bolox.spain is suffering??"
yes one of the best footballing nations in the world what have they won nationally - youth tournaments- do any of their players play abroad -no. Last trophy won by England '66, Italy '82 - those three leagues have TOTALLY dominated virtually all Euro club competition since '83 - 20 years and have not one European championship between them since then think it through.

"considering la liga is the best in the world,and the most entertaining i'd hate to see it prosper and there national team is good and will get better,it's a very young team"
good league yes
good NT no never always disappointing despite having some of the best players in the world.

"Italy has rich clubs,like who roma and lazio??two of there greatest clubs are on the verge of bankruptcy,"
again you have lost me in your rant - what do you think I said about Italian clubs?? I'm talking about national teams- the only thing I've accused clubs of is driving wages unrealistically high, I think you will find Roma and Lazio are certainly guilty of this (Lazio can't pay their wages and is Batigol really still worth £4M a year?) and that is why they are suffering financially

"and they have a fool in charge of the national team who refuses to play his best players"
the players that Italy played against Korea should have been good enough to win anyway.
u would blame
"his system.....HEY TRAP,YOUR SYSTEM WAS GOOD IN THE 80'S BUT IT HASN'T WORKED SINCE THEN.........."
Trap the classic Italian manager plays the classic Italian style with his players who have never left serie A this is what I'm criticising you muppet.

now read this properly b4 u reply and u might make sense this time

[Red-Kop]

JD, you're the only one who isn't making sense.

[The Rule]

i know why you want the best english players to go abroad,it's because liverpool and united would be weakened however arsenal don't have any of the best english players,well campbell,but he's hated by half of london already,if he left arsenal he'd never be able to come back.

trap is the classic italian coach??yeah he's classic all right,he belongs in a museum.even bobby robson has changed his stlyes numerous times in order to accomadate his best players

the spanish national team is good they under-achieved in the world cup,but if memory serves me correct,the same thing happened to france, with an even better team.and with jaoquin getting better by the game,helguira and puyol together at the back and raul playing better every year they have a chance in 2004

if trap would have played totti and del piero from the start in the world cup and if canna had been playing against korea,italy would have won,bent ref or no bent ref.

[JD]

I love these two on the livepool boards abusing each other crying away that the other knows nothing and dreaming of a day when Liverpool can emulate Arsenals style (not with Grey Gerrard boys) then backin each other up a moment l8r.

I want England 2b succesful because I'm English sherlock
since 1983 which are the three strongest domestic leagues?
how many full-international trophies have the three countries won? (Olympics is a youth tournament)
name the best players in each team
84 France- Platini
86 Argentina- Maradonna
88 Holland- van Basten
90 Germany- klinnsman
92 Denmark- either Laudrup
94 Brasil- romario
96 Germany- Beirhoff
98 France- Zidane
00 France- Henry
02 Brasil- Rivaldo

now you can disagree on who was the best player but each and every world cup winning team had a player who (at some point) would play abroad.

Italy+Spain+England= Vieri is the only player among the three that has played abroad (there are more players from abroad in every team!)

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD
I love these two on the livepool boards abusing each other crying away that the other knows nothing and dreaming of a day when Liverpool can emulate Arsenals style (not with Grey Gerrard boys) then backin each other up a moment l8r.

I want England 2b succesful because I'm English sherlock
since 1983 which are the three strongest domestic leagues?
how many full-international trophies have the three countries won? (Olympics is a youth tournament)
name the best players in each team
84 France- Platini
86 Argentina- Maradonna
88 Holland- van Basten
90 Germany- klinnsman
92 Denmark- either Laudrup
94 Brasil- romario
96 Germany- Beirhoff
98 France- Zidane
00 France- Henry
02 Brasil- Rivaldo

now you can disagree on who was the best player but each and every world cup winning team had a player who (at some point) would play abroad.

Italy+Spain+England= Vieri is the only player among the three that has played abroad (there are more players from abroad in every team!)


bierhoff only played in the final and one other gaem you muppet,sammer won player of the tournament and euro player of the year,do you know what league he played in at the time??

tigana won best player in 84

gullit won player of the tournament in 88

zidane was the best player in 2000,hench euro and world player of the year awards,

stoichkov won best player in 94'

klinsmann in 90??yeah you're showing you're knowledge

and i suppose michael laudrup could be considered for player of the tournament in 92,SINCE HE DIDN'T EVEN PLAY IN THE TOURNAMENT.

All you've done is look at tournaments that you can remember players from and said they won player of the tournament,and out of your 10 picks you got two right!!!!!!!!round of applause for the gobshite with no testicles,now all together after three.....one......two.......three.......well done JD you are a monkey's anus

[JD]

ok what I said repeated as per usual
"name the best players in each team "
I listed players who I remembered impresing me at the time -WHO PLAYED ABROAD AT SOME POINT not the necessarily the 'official' player of the tournament.
then said
"now you can disagree on who was the best player but each and every world cup winning team had a player who (at some point) would play abroad.

Italy+Spain+England= Vieri is the only player among the three that has played abroad (there are more players from abroad in every team!) "
clear??
you dispute this point of view by saying

"bierhoff only played in the final and one other gaem you muppet,sammer won player of the tournament and euro player of the year,do you know what league he played in at the time??

tigana won best player in 84

gullit won player of the tournament in 88

zidane was the best player in 2000,hench euro and world player of the year awards,

stoichkov won best player in 94'

klinsmann in 90??yeah you're showing you're knowledge

and i suppose michael laudrup could be considered for player of the tournament in 92,SINCE HE DIDN'T EVEN PLAY IN THE TOURNAMENT.

All you've done is look at tournaments that you can remember players from and said they won player of the tournament,and out of your 10 picks you got two right!!!!!!!!round of applause for the gobshite with no testicles,now all together after three.....one......two.......three.......well done JD you are a monkey's anus

ok my reply
yes I can only remember 20 years of tournaments due to being 26- what do you want me to do talk about things I can't remember? - I never said any player won player of the tournament
from 84 I remember Platini the most and I remember he had just moved to Juve - i don't remember tigana's club career and I can't be bothered to look it up.
86- u agreed maradonna played well- the top scorer interestingly was lineker who moved to Spain
88 yes Gullit as the best player rather than van Basten totally shatters my argument because Gullit only played in er... what was your point
90 Klinnsman you don't like (showing your knowledge?!?) his strike partner Voller and the attacking midfielders Hassler, Moller and defender Kohler all improved their game by playing abroad.
92 Schmeicel and Jensen - sorry about the spare Laudrup
94 whether you thought Stoichkov or his Barca strike partner was the best still doesn't effect the top players must move and develop argument
96 Sammer was hugely improved by a difficult time at Inter
98 You have ignored totally probably best too for your argument think about the semi-finalists.
2000 - well it doesn't really matter which frenchman you pick they all play abroad
2002 - u ignored this one as well -could pick any of the three Rs

but as usual u have missed the real point
the best players get better by moving abroad and with the possible exception of Tigana (?) you haven't mentioned 1who stayed at home.

o and if i really was naming players of the tournament (which any fool can look up in a few minutes on the net) what would that have to do with monkeys bottoms and my genitalia- rather an unhealthy little fetish you've got going there. Is perchance the capital 'R' in your name pronounced 'f'?

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by JD
ok what I said repeated as per usual
"name the best players in each team "
I listed players who I remembered impresing me at the time -WHO PLAYED ABROAD AT SOME POINT not the necessarily the 'official' player of the tournament.
then said
"now you can disagree on who was the best player but each and every world cup winning team had a player who (at some point) would play abroad.

Italy+Spain+England= Vieri is the only player among the three that has played abroad (there are more players from abroad in every team!) "
clear??
you dispute this point of view by saying

"bierhoff only played in the final and one other gaem you muppet,sammer won player of the tournament and euro player of the year,do you know what league he played in at the time??

tigana won best player in 84

gullit won player of the tournament in 88

zidane was the best player in 2000,hench euro and world player of the year awards,

stoichkov won best player in 94'

klinsmann in 90??yeah you're showing you're knowledge

and i suppose michael laudrup could be considered for player of the tournament in 92,SINCE HE DIDN'T EVEN PLAY IN THE TOURNAMENT.

All you've done is look at tournaments that you can remember players from and said they won player of the tournament,and out of your 10 picks you got two right!!!!!!!!round of applause for the gobshite with no testicles,now all together after three.....one......two.......three.......well done JD you are a monkey's anus

ok my reply
yes I can only remember 20 years of tournaments due to being 26- what do you want me to do talk about things I can't remember? - I never said any player won player of the tournament
from 84 I remember Platini the most and I remember he had just moved to Juve - i don't remember tigana's club career and I can't be bothered to look it up.
86- u agreed maradonna played well- the top scorer interestingly was lineker who moved to Spain
88 yes Gullit as the best player rather than van Basten totally shatters my argument because Gullit only played in er... what was your point
90 Klinnsman you don't like (showing your knowledge?!?) his strike partner Voller and the attacking midfielders Hassler, Moller and defender Kohler all improved their game by playing abroad.
92 Schmeicel and Jensen - sorry about the spare Laudrup
94 whether you thought Stoichkov or his Barca strike partner was the best still doesn't effect the top players must move and develop argument
96 Sammer was hugely improved by a difficult time at Inter
98 You have ignored totally probably best too for your argument think about the semi-finalists.
2000 - well it doesn't really matter which frenchman you pick they all play abroad
2002 - u ignored this one as well -could pick any of the three Rs

but as usual u have missed the real point
the best players get better by moving abroad and with the possible exception of Tigana (?) you haven't mentioned 1who stayed at home.

o and if i really was naming players of the tournament (which any fool can look up in a few minutes on the net) what would that have to do with monkeys bottoms and my genitalia- rather an unhealthy little fetish you've got going there. Is perchance the capital 'R' in your name pronounced 'f'?

The top 3 leagues in the world are: England, Italy and Spain. People say England don't have enough quality players coming through (which i disagree with to an extent), but that's down to a bad set-up at youth level, etc, and not down to our players not playing abroad. Italy have had loads of past success, and nearly all their players have played in Italy. Spain have always underachieved, but that's not down to their players not playing abroad, it's down to their mentality, and things like that. Something that playing abroad ''would not'' solve!

Nearly everyone disagrees with you on this. Why not stop now?

[Red-Kop]

Taken from www.liverpoolfc.tv

Gerard Houllier said he is excited by the form of Milan Baros and believes the Czech star is forming a good strike partnership with Michael Owen.

Baros was excellent in Vitesse Arnhem and Houllier was delighted with his performance.

Houllier said: "The partnership between Michael and Milan really excites me. They both have tremendous pace, but they combine perfectly.

"They do it with some wonderful movement with some great combinations between them."
____________________________________________________

I think it's great news that Houllier is seriously considering the pairing of Baros and Owen. It showed against Vitesse that it's got potential.

It shouldn't be long before Diouf starts to find his feet in the Premiership. With Mellor in excellent form in the reserves and the young French player Pongolle, coming in the summer, it puts Heskey's future in doubt. I think we should sell him in the summer and put the money we get for him towards a big buy.

[The Rule]

a big buy like rosicky perhaps??

[Red-Kop]

Exactly

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD
ok what I said repeated as per usual
"name the best players in each team "
I listed players who I remembered impresing me at the time -WHO PLAYED ABROAD AT SOME POINT not the necessarily the 'official' player of the tournament.
then said
"now you can disagree on who was the best player but each and every world cup winning team had a player who (at some point) would play abroad.

Italy+Spain+England= Vieri is the only player among the three that has played abroad (there are more players from abroad in every team!) "
clear??
you dispute this point of view by saying

"bierhoff only played in the final and one other gaem you muppet,sammer won player of the tournament and euro player of the year,do you know what league he played in at the time??

tigana won best player in 84

gullit won player of the tournament in 88

zidane was the best player in 2000,hench euro and world player of the year awards,

stoichkov won best player in 94'

klinsmann in 90??yeah you're showing you're knowledge

and i suppose michael laudrup could be considered for player of the tournament in 92,SINCE HE DIDN'T EVEN PLAY IN THE TOURNAMENT.

All you've done is look at tournaments that you can remember players from and said they won player of the tournament,and out of your 10 picks you got two right!!!!!!!!round of applause for the gobshite with no testicles,now all together after three.....one......two.......three.......well done JD you are a monkey's anus

ok my reply
yes I can only remember 20 years of tournaments due to being 26- what do you want me to do talk about things I can't remember? - I never said any player won player of the tournament
from 84 I remember Platini the most and I remember he had just moved to Juve - i don't remember tigana's club career and I can't be bothered to look it up.
86- u agreed maradonna played well- the top scorer interestingly was lineker who moved to Spain
88 yes Gullit as the best player rather than van Basten totally shatters my argument because Gullit only played in er... what was your point
90 Klinnsman you don't like (showing your knowledge?!?) his strike partner Voller and the attacking midfielders Hassler, Moller and defender Kohler all improved their game by playing abroad.
92 Schmeicel and Jensen - sorry about the spare Laudrup
94 whether you thought Stoichkov or his Barca strike partner was the best still doesn't effect the top players must move and develop argument
96 Sammer was hugely improved by a difficult time at Inter
98 You have ignored totally probably best too for your argument think about the semi-finalists.
2000 - well it doesn't really matter which frenchman you pick they all play abroad
2002 - u ignored this one as well -could pick any of the three Rs

but as usual u have missed the real point
the best players get better by moving abroad and with the possible exception of Tigana (?) you haven't mentioned 1who stayed at home.

o and if i really was naming players of the tournament (which any fool can look up in a few minutes on the net) what would that have to do with monkeys bottoms and my genitalia- rather an unhealthy little fetish you've got going there. Is perchance the capital 'R' in your name pronounced 'f'?

another funny one from dj,the man should be one stage,your trying to prove points that are just retarded,if the clubs in france had the money to keep them,the best players would be playing there,holland's economy is two small for there teams to be able to compete financially with the big clubs from england,italy and spain.Brazil is a poverty riddled country so the clubs have to sell their best players.so a lot of the players go abroad because their clubs can't afford to spend big and compete in europe,so the players move to clubs that can,and most of them dont' improve,they are just given a bigger stage to play on and they get more exposure.every player improves year by year,if for example Bordeaux had the financial muscle to compete n europe,Zidane might still be there,and would he be the player he is,yes of course he would.

Players move abroad cos the get paid better,it's the same in every job,for example,if you were a computer programmer living in england,earning an amount of money and working with a certain level of quality as far as component go,and a company from america or japan offered you a job,with a much higher salary and far better technology to work with,what are you going to do???you're going to kiss your mammy goodbye,shake your bosses hand and say......see ya

and it's your lack of genitalia which is funny now once again,after three, a big cheer for the hermaphradite from highbury,one....two......three....well done DJ you are a monkey's anus,

[JD]

Originally posted by Red-Kop


The top 3 leagues in the world are: England, Italy and Spain. People say England don't have enough quality players coming through (which i disagree with to an extent), but that's down to a bad set-up at youth level, etc, and not down to our players not playing abroad. Italy have had loads of past success, and nearly all their players have played in Italy. Spain have always underachieved, but that's not down to their players not playing abroad, it's down to their mentality, and things like that. Something that playing abroad ''would not'' solve!

Nearly everyone disagrees with you on this. Why not stop now?


u still don't understand do you?
1-mentality is the first thing you have to change when you move abroad -
2-I think the EPL, Serie A and La liga ARE the best leagues which is why their failure to win an interantional trophy for 20 years between them is so surprising

[JD]

Originally posted by The Rule


another funny one from dj,the man should be one stage,your trying to prove points that are just retarded,if the clubs in france had the money to keep them,the best players would be playing there,holland's economy is two small for there teams to be able to compete financially with the big clubs from england,italy and spain.Brazil is a poverty riddled country so the clubs have to sell their best players.so a lot of the players go abroad because their clubs can't afford to spend big and compete in europe,so the players move to clubs that can,and most of them dont' improve,they are just given a bigger stage to play on and they get more exposure.every player improves year by year,if for example Bordeaux had the financial muscle to compete n europe,Zidane might still be there,and would he be the player he is,yes of course he would.

Players move abroad cos the get paid better,it's the same in every job,for example,if you were a computer programmer living in england,earning an amount of money and working with a certain level of quality as far as component go,and a company from america or japan offered you a job,with a much higher salary and far better technology to work with,what are you going to do???you're going to kiss your mammy goodbye,shake your bosses hand and say......see ya

and it's your lack of genitalia which is funny now once again,after three, a big cheer for the hermaphradite from highbury,one....two......three....well done DJ you are a monkey's anus,

I have no idea how any of these comments relate to my argument that succesful playing exports help France, Brasil, Holland, Argentina etc etc improve - the fact that financially it is easy for English, Spanish and Italian players to stay at home is the basis of my whole argument and you are reiterating this in an attempt to contradict me??
on and you say
"Zidane might still be there,and would he be the player he is,yes of course he would"
so you dismiss all coaching as pointless irespective of the top level coaching Zidane has recieved with the French NT, Juventus and Real Madrid he would be the same player after the passage of time. I coach football and I'm studying for further coaching qualifications I hope that "Rule"'s revelation that all coaching is redundant is not the case or I've been wasting a lot of my time!

[Red-Kop]

Originally posted by JD


I have no idea how any of these comments relate to my argument that succesful playing exports help France, Brasil, Holland, Argentina etc etc improve - the fact that financially it is easy for English, Spanish and Italian players to stay at home is the basis of my whole argument and you are reiterating this in an attempt to contradict me??
on and you say
"Zidane might still be there,and would he be the player he is,yes of course he would"
so you dismiss all coaching as pointless irespective of the top level coaching Zidane has recieved with the French NT, Juventus and Real Madrid he would be the same player after the passage of time. I coach football and I'm studying for further coaching qualifications I hope that "Rule"'s revelation that all coaching is redundant is not the case or I've been wasting a lot of my time!

Your posts are so sh*t that they don't even deserve a reply!

[Red-Kop]

Dudek yet again made another mistake against the Mancs today, he also could've saved the second.

We've got a great young English keeper in Kirkland, so surely this is a great time to give him his chance. Because if Dudek's mistakes aren't a good enough reason to give Kirkland a chance, then surely nothing is.

So who do you think should be in goal for the next match, Kirkland or Dudek?

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Red-Kop
Dudek yet again made another mistake against the Mancs today, he also could've saved the second.

We've got a great young English keeper in Kirkland, so surely this is a great time to give him his chance. Because if Dudek's mistakes aren't a good enough reason to give Kirkland a chance, then surely nothing is.

So who do you think should be in goal for the next match, Kirkland or Dudek?

I heard that Liverfool are interested in bringing Taibi back to England. :D

[zaccus]

well, i was supporting gh's decition and keeping the faith with dudek up until that first goal. Forlan sux and to grant him that easy of a goal is just ludicris...he also should have gotten to the second one. i think kirkland should step in about rigggghhhht NOW! and i cant see gh bringing in someone else in because that would just hurt chris's chances

[The Rule]

Originally posted by zaccus
well, i was supporting gh's decition and keeping the faith with dudek up until that first goal. Forlan sux and to grant him that easy of a goal is just ludicris...he also should have gotten to the second one. i think kirkland should step in about rigggghhhht NOW! and i cant see gh bringing in someone else in because that would just hurt chris's chances

Kirkland will play in the worthington cup,but Dudek will remain number one,you don't drop a keeper when they have having a confidence crisis.

what happens if they drop dudek to the reserves and bring in kirkland and he makes a few mistakes?dudek's confidence will be completely gone and if kirkland plays badly then they'll be screwed.Dudek is a world class keeper and he'll come good,he's made a few mistakes lately,but in the entire year before that he didn't make a single one while playing for Liverpool

[JD]

so don't bother stop posting and watch your Jerzy Dudek best keeper in the world video's
joker

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by The Rule


Kirkland will play in the worthington cup,but Dudek will remain number one,you don't drop a keeper when they have having a confidence crisis.

what happens if they drop dudek to the reserves and bring in kirkland and he makes a few mistakes?dudek's confidence will be completely gone and if kirkland plays badly then they'll be screwed.Dudek is a world class keeper and he'll come good,he's made a few mistakes lately,but in the entire year before that he didn't make a single one while playing for Liverpool

Exactly. He is world class, je already proved that, it is just a bnad spell, he needs to get some support from fans and trainer, the fans seem to gave it already during the last match against man United.

[The Rule]

JD, you only come and post here in a childish attempt to wind people up.why don't you go and post your expert views on the arsenal page,where people might want to read them

[JD]

REDKOP u say
"McManaman is a failure in Madrid"

he has won
the chapions league - he played brilliantly and scored in the final
the Spanish league then
the champions league again (played in the final again)

he recently captained real madrid in a 4-0 cup win
the first Englishman to captain them

U think he should have stayed in (freezing wet) Liverpool and won some cups rather than become a millionaire, lived in a mansion in the heat with his big swimming pool winning a major trophy every year. Liverpool can't win the league or the European cup because they aren't good enough they have no creative (mcManaman like) players and play boring negative longball football.
I know where I'd rather be

[The Rule]

Originally posted by JD
REDKOP u say
"McManaman is a failure in Madrid"

he has won
the chapions league - he played brilliantly and scored in the final
the Spanish league then
the champions league again (played in the final again)

he recently captained real madrid in a 4-0 cup win
the first Englishman to captain them

U think he should have stayed in (freezing wet) Liverpool and won some cups rather than become a millionaire, lived in a mansion in the heat with his big swimming pool winning a major trophy every year. Liverpool can't win the league or the European cup because they aren't good enough they have no creative (mcManaman like) players and play boring negative longball football.
I know where I'd rather be

he was good his first year eventually having had a poor start(which lasted til march),obviously not good enough since they bought Fig