La Liga Campaign

[Rickster]

ya beckham did wonderful crosses. he should be playing right wing.i saw him do a gud cross to raul but raul dint get it. figo did useless crosses dint get pass the first men, always hit the defender, low crosses.

[Nikodemus]

1-0 victory at home. sorry but I must say plääh. Málaga 16th in Liga. Should be better victories with more goals.
Ok. Sure 1-0 equals 3 needed points as well as 4-0.

[btha]

once again, raul was invisible and ronaldo blew quite a few chances that a world class striker should've nailed no problem. Salgado still not in form after injury he played pretty bad i think.. lost the ball alot.. Guti was bad too.. I think i saw owen with the ball more in his 10 minutes of play time than raul the entire game.

Did any spanish speaking people watch the game? On the station i watched it they showed some banner up in the crowd that said something about captain. I want to know what it said...

[Rickster]

on the first half i think raul and ronaldo were invisible. they got the ball and did nuting. guti was invisible too. those that had the ball alot were useless. figo, zidane. beckham was average nutin special.

[r0naldo4life]

does anyone really think we g0t a chance at winning the league?
that Getafe game really blew it..
i seriously think its over.. barca is amazing this season and i d0ubt they will loose 4 or 5 games ..
anyway.. better luck next season madrid!
maybe Robinho will help? if he's really coming that is.. :silly:

[Rickster]

i think 5 games b4 getafe we blew our chances by not winning the games before getafe. always promises but no results

[Leon of Silvren]

I sincerely don't think we still got chances to win La Liga, but I'm gonna keep cheering for Real until the season is over.....and next year I'll do the same, and the year after that one.....

[Rickster]

BTW guys david beckham played relly well on the WC Q's. hes long passes were brilliant, crosses, corner, freekicks. i hope his form continues until the league games finish. i saw him make some good tackles. and for short passes they were simple and straightforward.

owen played pretty well too, scored a goal but missed a 1 on 1. shud have scored

[Leon of Silvren]

Didn't see the match, but good to hear that, hope Becks can improve his game with us and that Owen could be given more chances to play.

[Boko]

And how we can win the Premiera? Even if we do our best and win all games to the end the f***** Barca can't lose, not because they're good but because of f****** referee. Today they were losing but did you saw what he did, in case you've not : Betis player sent of in the begining of the game + penalty, but it was not enough + another penalty + 5 min of time added to score in 4'37" of it :mad2: and yes the "superb" Barca were shits receiving 2 goals from a 10 men team and not getting some cards (including red ones) they deserved, but they draw 3:3 to get a point that never seems to be their. The only good news is that Deco won't play against us and yes they lost 2 points. Hope after a week the gap will be 6.

PS: Why everyone is still saying that the referees support us are they blind?

[RealMadrilismo]

Real beat Albacete 2-1!!!
The gap has gone from 11pts to 9pts!

Hala Madrid!!

[Highway Penguin]

We played poorly.
Ronaldo had two good chances and failed in both. He should have had a goal, but the officiating was poor. All in all, it was a good match. Exciting first 20 minutes.

We'll be missing Samuel and Guti next game, that'll hurt us.

[btha]

The title is still very possible.
But only if we beat Barca next weekend. We must do that.
If we do that, we have 7 games left, and only 6 points to beat. If someone tries to say that's not doable, they are very wrong, you saw how barca played today on their home field, they barely drew agains betis who were one man short 85 minutes of the game and managed to score 3 goals like that while barca scored 2 goals from penalties and 1 lucky goal in way too long added time

[Becks]

Maybe this silenced some of the Owen doubters.

Beckham will be back against Barca. I think we all seen what happens when he is not there... Graveson gave up an EASY goal when he slid.

[RonaldoD08]

Maybe this silenced some of the Owen doubters.

Beckham will be back against Barca. I think we all seen what happens when he is not there... Graveson gave up an EASY goal when he slid.

did you see why owen scored? did you see where the defenders were at that moment...I don't think anyone was watching owen at that moment. They were after someone else and I am pretty sure you know who...:D

[Becks]

Awww, be quiet...Ronaldo had PLENTY of chances, but missed them all throughout the match.

[RonaldoD08]

Awww, be quiet...Ronaldo had PLENTY of chances, but missed them all throughout the match.

Well he scored and set owen up.

Owen didn't even have any chances. He just kept wandering around and messing things up...

[Becks]

Helguera and Owen scored...not Ronaldo.

[RonaldoD08]

Helguera and Owen scored...not Ronaldo.

Well it's obvious that you didn't see the game as you know only the official result.

Ronaldo scored in the first minute and it was not an off-side.

[Becks]

No, he was off-side, and Helguera climbed on the defender when he scored, either way, Ronaldo had more chances to score as well.

[RonaldoD08]

No, he was off-side, and Helguera climbed on the defender when he scored, either way, Ronaldo had more chances to score as well.


well guys, look at the average Real Madrid fan...:rolleyes:

[RealMadrilismo]

did you see why owen scored? did you see where the defenders were at that moment...I don't think anyone was watching owen at that moment. They were after someone else and I am pretty sure you know who...:D


Ronaldo? lol or maybe Guti cuz he was the one with the ball and made the nice pass to owen.

[RonaldoD08]

Ronaldo? lol or maybe Guti cuz he was the one with the ball and made the nice pass to owen.

who was open for no reason huh?

come on guys...and you call yourselves real madrid fans...you didn't even see the game...lol

[Becks]

The average fan?

I see a bad call, such as the Helguera climbing incident, and I disagree with the ref not calling it...
Or...
Ronaldo, who was offsides, and even if he wasn't he had plenty of chances, and I criticize that.

If that makes me "the average fan" then so be it...A lot of others would call it sportsmanship.

What I consider a few of the features of the average fan:
Attempting to always scrutinize one of their signings, especially when they are winning the matches for us. If Owen hadn't scored, the match would have ended 1-1, but instead, BECAUSE OF OWEN, we won 2-1 and gained 3 points.

[RonaldoD08]

The average fan?

I see a bad call, such as the Helguera climbing incident, and I disagree with the ref not calling it...
Or...
Ronaldo, who was offsides, and even if he wasn't he had plenty of chances, and I criticize that.

If that makes me "the average fan" then so be it...A lot of others would call it sportsmanship.

What I consider a few of the features of the average fan:
Attempting to always scrutinize one of their signings, especially when they are winning the matches for us. If Owen hadn't scored, the match would have ended 1-1, but instead, BECAUSE OF OWEN, we won 2-1 and gained 3 points.

The problem is that these signings, won't win us anything without our own players...damn another coincidence for Owen...he scored while playing with Ronaldo...:rolleyes:

and as for the "off-side"...I don't think it was an off-side...

[Becks]

Won't win anything?

Umm, apparently one of those "signings" won it for us against Albacete.

Aren't they all signings though?
Ronaldo - Signing
Zidane - Signing
Figo - Signing
Beckham - Signing

[RonaldoD08]

Won't win anything?

Umm, apparently one of those "signings" won it for us against Albacete.

Aren't they all signings though?
Ronaldo - Signing
Zidane - Signing
Figo - Signing
Beckham - Signing

He won it because of someone else you know too well. Actually he didn't win anything...all he did was push a ball in...during 95 mins.

[Becks]

Would you rather he didn't?

I think the word you are looking for is "assist."

[RonaldoD08]

Would you rather he didn't?

I think the word you are looking for is "assist."

I would rather owen was not signed cause he never managed to be a real madrid player. We should have kept Moro.

Also Owen's stats prove that he is the perfect bench substitute, but not a good full time player...he cannot set himself up for anything...if he does not have someone on his side...

PS: What does assist have to do with anything?

[Becks]

Err, you don't understand.
If it wasn't for Owen, Madrid would be a lot farther from Barca than what they are. Look at the improvements from last season to this season.

[RonaldoD08]

Err, you don't understand.
If it wasn't for Owen, Madrid would be a lot farther from Barca than what they are. Look at the improvements from last season to this season.


Improvements? Which improvements...we are out of CL one tour before last year as well as in the cup. We were out of the title run well before the end of the season...which improvement are you talking about...really...

[Becks]

The improvement compared to last season. You are always saying stuff like "You didn't even see the match." Well, obviously, if you cannot tell improvements, then you must've not watched the entire last season.

[RonaldoD08]

The improvement compared to last season. You are always saying stuff like "You didn't even see the match." Well, obviously, if you cannot tell improvements, then you must've not watched the entire last season.

tell me the improvement then...which is it?

[Becks]

The overall improvement of the team as a whole. Instead of playing like dead, has-beens like last season, they are playing as a lively team.

Luxemburgo is a HUGE improvement.

Owen is one of the few strikers on the team that is actually staying fit and consistent.

Beckham, Figo, Zidane, Guti, and others are all holding the midfield and quickly making it our most valuable asset.

We are staying within reach of the title.

Luxemburgo is starting to take the approach of "you don't try, you don't play."

Need I go further?

[RonaldoD08]

The overall improvement of the team as a whole. Instead of playing like dead, has-beens like last season, they are playing as a lively team.

Luxemburgo is a HUGE improvement.

Owen is one of the few strikers on the team that is actually staying fit and consistent.

Beckham, Figo, Zidane, Guti, and others are all holding the midfield and quickly making it our most valuable asset.

We are staying within reach of the title.

Luxemburgo is starting to take the approach of "you don't try, you don't play."

Need I go further?

Luxemburgo is not the same as Owen last time I checkd...

And owen is the only striker of the league who is keeping his bench stats pretty high becuase this goal was his only goal in the league while playing 90 mins or maybe the second one and it was becuase of Ronaldo just like the other 9.

The team hasn't improved anything..."we are playing pretty lively to say the truth haven't we" :rolleyes:...we just got out of CL and the Cup and lost 3 games and tied one in the last 8 games...a very huge improvement...

As for the midfield...it has always been our most valuable asset until this year when it became our cheapest asset...that's why people are talking about figo, zidane and beckham leaving...not because they have been having a great season and I don't think that this season could be considered great for the likes of Figo, Zidane and Beckham...

[Becks]

Hmm, maybe because...
Figo is getting old.
and
Beckham's kids are being scrutinized by paparazzi.

I never said Owen and Luxe were the same, however, you never said "show me the improvements using Owen only."

Your second paragraph made no sense at all, so until you type in English, I will not respond.

You speak of all of these losses and draws, yet, look at the wins from earlier in the season.

[RonaldoD08]

Hmm, maybe because...
Figo is getting old.
and
Beckham's kids are being scrutinized by paparazzi.

I never said Owen and Luxe were the same, however, you never said "show me the improvements using Owen only."

Your second paragraph made no sense at all, so until you type in English, I will not respond.

You speak of all of these losses and draws, yet, look at the wins from earlier in the season.

Well you already replied to the second paragraph...and that's what I am saying. We haven't improvement because Figo is getting old, Zidane is getting old, Beckham is getting old or just getting irritated...and we need new blood.
What do you mean by the wins earlier in the season? When we had camacho? Last season if you forgot, we actually were on top of the rankings with a 10 points advantage...unlike this year...

PS: You mentioned the improvements because of Owen and not because of Luxemburgo. We were talking about Owen as far as I remember... Also Luxemburgo hasn't had any improvements compared to other years, but compared to this year...and Owen was playing for Madrid before Luxa game...so we didn't really improve because of Owen did we...lol. If there is nothing you can say about Owen don't get Luxa into this...

[Becks]

You asked for improvements...
Owen and Luxe are both improvements, hence, I used both of them.

I can't quite remember, what was it, a 7 or 8 match unbeaten streak earlier...

[RonaldoD08]

You asked for improvements...
Owen and Luxe are both improvements, hence, I used both of them.

I can't quite remember, what was it, a 7 or 8 match unbeaten streak earlier...

And then 4 or 5 beaten streak later...ending up to 11 points behind barca and getting out of CL and the cup.

I agree that Luxa is an improvement compared to Camacho and the other one (not worthy to be named)...but the wins were not because of Owen...and everyone including owen knows that...

[Becks]

But Owen did contribute to them, and yes, a few of them (like today), were won because of Owen. What would the score have been is Owen hadn't scored? 1-1 resulting in a draw.

Also, if the ref had called the Helguera foul, and Owen still scored, it would've been 1-1, which is a draw.
Everyone contributes to a team, and until Real Madrid is changed to Real Ronaldo, other people can win matches for the club.

[RonaldoD08]

But Owen did contribute to them, and yes, a few of them (like today), were won because of Owen. What would the score have been is Owen hadn't scored? 1-1 resulting in a draw.

Also, if the ref had called the Helguera foul, and Owen still scored, it would've been 1-1, which is a draw.
Everyone contributes to a team, and until Real Madrid is changed to Real Ronaldo, other people can win matches for the club.

what if the referee hadn't had a bad call in the first minute and we would have been 1-0 from the start...what do you think the score would have been.
Also what if Ronaldo was not playing and all the defenders were on Owen, he wouldn't have been open for that goal would he...?
Now we have all seen what Owen can do when he plays alone so just stop this here. 10 of the 13 goals of owen have been scored when Owen and Ronaldo were playing together and Owen has accepted it himself as I told you another time citing some uk newspapers...
I don't understand why do you have to come up with the same thing everythime...owen, owen, owen
As for the Real Ronaldo thing, its way more deserved than Real Owen...

[Becks]

But Ronaldo WAS offsides.

If you have EVER played actual football, then you would know that being in space doesn't always mean that the defenders are on the other player. It means that you actually made a run and lost your marker completely, and it should be well deserved with a goal.

[RonaldoD08]

But Ronaldo WAS offsides.

If you have EVER played actual football, then you would know that being in space doesn't always mean that the defenders are on the other player. It means that you actually made a run and lost your marker completely, and it should be well deserved with a goal.

It would mean that you made a run if you actually ran. it does not mean that you made a run when the defenders are running away from you to go to the other guy...and Ronaldo was not off-side.

I know that you would rather have Real Madrid loose instead of Ronaldo scoring but at least try not to show your grudge in open forum...

[Becks]

1) Defenders usually go to the guy with the ball. If they didn't, there would be cricket scores.

2) I have said time and time again (if you would actually look) that I would LOVE to see Ronaldo back on form and be the Ronaldo of old.

[RonaldoD08]

1) Defenders usually go to the guy with the ball. If they didn't, there would be cricket scores.

2) I have said time and time again (if you would actually look) that I would LOVE to see Ronaldo back on form and be the Ronaldo of old.

1) Neither Ronaldo nor Owen had the ball at the moment the defenders were running. Guty had the ball if you saw tha game. The defenders had to decide whether they would run towards Ronaldo or Owen. I guess all of them decided to run towards Ronnie instead of Owen (guess why) that's why Owen was free when he got the ball and pushed it in the net. If Ronaldo was not playing the defenders would have ran towards Owen not towards someone else...and there would be no goal as it has happened in the other games when Owen played as first striker...

2) Well everybody says that, but everybody trashed him at the same time. The only ones that don't underestimate Ronaldo are his opponents, unlike his own fans...Haven't you seen that everyone is saying that Ronaldo is not playing well, but I don't think there has been any game that Ronaldo didn't have his usual defenders on him. Owen has never had that treatement...

[Becks]

Because Ronaldo had taken shots earlier in the match, and while he still missed them, he took the shots, making it very likely to pass to him, also, Guti (not Guty) tends to pass more to Ronaldo than anyone else.

ALL STRIKERS WILL HAVE DEFENDERS. That is a simple fact of life. The only reason people have trashed Ronaldo is because he is always saying "I am getting back into top form" and when the time comes to actually do so, he doesn't. He has gained a lot of weight over the years, and while he lost some of it (which I complimented long before you even thought of joining), but seemed to stop when he played just a little bit better. Now look what is happening, it is all coming back.

[RonaldoD08]

Because Ronaldo had taken shots earlier in the match, and while he still missed them, he took the shots, making it very likely to pass to him, also, Guti (not Guty) tends to pass more to Ronaldo than anyone else.

ALL STRIKERS WILL HAVE DEFENDERS. That is a simple fact of life. The only reason people have trashed Ronaldo is because he is always saying "I am getting back into top form" and when the time comes to actually do so, he doesn't. He has gained a lot of weight over the years, and while he lost some of it (which I complimented long before you even thought of joining), but seemed to stop when he played just a little bit better. Now look what is happening, it is all coming back.

I didn't need to join anything as he scored 31 goals last season even though he was overweight...lol. I would always want to have such a cico in my team (as Pele said).
Also that things about Guti passing always to Ronaldo...where did you get that from...? Guti is a sub and plays with Owen as a sub. He has to pass to Owen when they play together...in the unimportant games when Ronaldo and Zidane are benched.

PS: I really don't know why you guys love to make up facts. Don't you see that that's the fact why fights start over here? Why can't you just shut up if you have nothing else to say instead of making up things.

[Becks]

Making up things?

Who is the one that started this with the "average fan" post and talking to other members like "If you had actually seen the match."

Not everyone except you is wrong.

Fact is, Ronaldo is not what he used to be, and Owen is performing for the team, and no matter how many goals he scores in a season, you will never give him credit. However, if Ronaldo scored 1 goal all season, you would use it to support every argument you started here.

Post and tell me that Ronaldo now is better than Ronaldo in the 90's or 2002. That way we can all laugh you off once again.

[RonaldoD08]

Making up things?

Who is the one that started this with the "average fan" post and talking to other members like "If you had actually seen the match."

Not everyone except you is wrong.

Fact is, Ronaldo is not what he used to be, and Owen is performing for the team, and no matter how many goals he scores in a season, you will never give him credit. However, if Ronaldo scored 1 goal all season, you would use it to support every argument you started here.

Post and tell me that Ronaldo now is better than Ronaldo in the 90's or 2002. That way we can all laugh you off once again.

Ronaldo is having a goal drought but he still is one of the most important players of the team. he still keep setting Owen up and making him score 10 times...doesn't he?
As for Owen I will never think that he has improved us in any way. He does not fit in Real Madrid. Moro was much better and I am sure that our offense would be much better than it is now.
Also if you really saw the game today, you could have noticed that all of Ronaldo's shots were on goal and he got two posts and a couple of goalie hits. He even scored in the first minute but he was denied that goal. Now tell me what did Owen do all 90 mins except pushing that ball into the net while being free because of Ronaldo?

PS: You started this talking about Owen's doubters...I am not an Owen doubter anymore...Now I am sure that he must go. I don't have doubts anymore...

[Becks]

If Ronaldo was back in form, he would've scored off of those shots instead of post hits and goalkeeper hits.

Answer this:

Would you rather to have Owen not hit the ball in the back of the net (which is something Ronaldo didn't do) or not?

[RonaldoD08]

If Ronaldo was back in form, he would've scored off of those shots instead of post hits and goalkeeper hits.

Answer this:

Would you rather to have Owen not hit the ball in the back of the net (which is something Ronaldo didn't do) or not?

I would rather have Owen be Morientes or simply another Ronaldo. I would have the real Owen kicked out of Real Madrid and get a real latin kind of player who fits the style of playing.
Simply I would like Owen to be able to score by himself sometime...and i don't regret him scoring because of others. I just hate him because he is so useless on his own.

[Highway Penguin]

Ronaldo was offside in a sense, but from what I recall, the ball was kicked the defenders moved up, Ronaldo wasn't offside then, and then the ball was touched by a defender who headed it back, and that's where the offside call was called. Though I'm not sure if that was the right call. I'd like to have seen a goal though. This is by my memory which isn't to grand at the time.

Owen scored because he made the run on the side. Ronaldo stood infront of Guti wanting to get the ball and try to push it threw their legs. Owen made a smart run, no defender caught on.

Ronaldo has done badly in the last 5 matches I've seen, missing atleast 2 chances tonight. He doesn't pass the ball. The keeper incident. ????

All in all I was screaming for Raul to be brought on.
As atleast Raul passes the ball to other players.

[Becks]

Raul > Ronaldo (Recent)

and that is saying a lot.

[Highway Penguin]

Owen's done a lot for the team, as has Lux.
I don't think that either are getting enough respect.

Ronaldo needs time on the bench to reallize that he isn't the best. Raul played very well for Spain against Serbia, and he does well in assisting up top. He should get the start over Ronaldo if Owen starts. As Owen and Ronaldo are very similiar.

[Becks]

The team could do wonders if Raul and Owen started. Raul makes good assisting passes, and Owen finishes beautifully.

[RonaldoD08]

The team could do wonders if Raul and Owen started. Raul makes good assisting passes, and Owen finishes beautifully.

They have already played together Becks and I didn't see any wonders...no goals. As for Ronaldo-Owen partnership, I think Owen would disagree with you in there. Owen has scored 10 goals when playing with Ronaldo and that's not a coincidence even though you believe in coincidences.

Also Owen and Ronaldo are not the same player. They are totally the opposite. Owen is simply a finisher while Ronaldo is a dribbler. Raul could be similar to Owen, but still even Raul is more of a latin player. Owen is simply a counter attack guy-the way they play in England. Kick the ball high and let's hope somebody pushes it in the net.

[Becks]

Here you are, STILL insulting me. STOP.

[RonaldoD08]

Here you are, STILL insulting me. STOP.

I don't see any insulting...:confused:

The fact that Owen scored when he plays with Ronaldo is not the only case you have decided to consider a coincidence.

If you don't consider it a coincidence what is it then? How do you explain it?

[Becks]

It is good communication between the players.
My God, you see no insults?
"that's not a coincidence even though you believe in coincidences."

[RonaldoD08]

It is good communication between the players.
My God, you see no insults?
"that's not a coincidence even though you believe in coincidences."

That's not an insult. There are a lot of people who believe in fate. Are you trying to insult them right now?

That's a very bad move Becks...:D

[Becks]

What?
You make idiotic posts and then when you are proven wrong, you just come off with something more idiotic.

[RonaldoD08]

What?
You make idiotic posts and then when you are proven wrong, you just come off with something more idiotic.

Now this is an insult.

Tell me what was idiotic and where did you prove me wrong?

[Becks]

This entire thread I have proved you wrong.

All of your posts that provoke fights are idiotic.

Go ahead, have me banned, or request that I get banned. I am tired of your childish posts that start fights with everyone. Why is it you are always the center of confusion here? I am tired of it and will not allow it. Be sure and remember that I won't come back.

[RonaldoD08]

This entire thread I have proved you wrong.

All of your posts that provoke fights are idiotic.

Go ahead, have me banned, or request that I get banned. I am tired of your childish posts that start fights with everyone. Why is it you are always the center of confusion here? I am tired of it and will not allow it. Be sure and remember that I won't come back.

I don't even know what you are talking about. You know how to PM me.

You proved me wrong by saying that Raul and Owen should start instead of Ronaldo and Owen and then saying that Ronaldo and Owen have good communication while Raul and Owen do not.

I don't see whether you proved me wrong or proved yourself wrong here. I really think you should reconsider your posts in the long run because they get off track sometimes. I am sure you are smart enough to do it, if you get over your anger...;)

PS: Which one of my childish posts would have started a fight? Where is the fight and who is trying to start it. As far I remember it is you who got off topic in here. We were talking about Owen and not about me. You turned the discussion this way.

[Becks]

STOP TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A GOOD MOD AFTER YOU EARLIER CALLED ME AN "AVERAGE FAN" AND INSULTED OTHERS BY SAYING "IF YOU REALLY WATCHED THE GAME."

Where did I say that Raul and Owen had bad communication? I never said such a thing.

I will not reconsider my posts, I meant what I said, and will always mean what I say. You have done FAR too much for everything to be "Just change this and that, I will too, let's get on with it."

[RonaldoD08]

STOP TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A GOOD MOD AFTER YOU EARLIER CALLED ME AN "AVERAGE FAN" AND INSULTED OTHERS BY SAYING "IF YOU REALLY WATCHED THE GAME."

Where did I say that Raul and Owen had bad communication? I never said such a thing.

I will not reconsider my posts, I meant what I said, and will always mean what I say. You have done FAR too much for everything to be "Just change this and that, I will too, let's get on with it."


I don't see how can you make either of those quotes seem like insults...

I guess I was wrong when I called you an average fan. You are not a fan at all.

Again what's wrong with "if you really watched the game". I really don't understand you here...

PS: I really think you should stop posting right now until you chill out. Also what should we get on with? :confused:

[Becks]

"I guess I was wrong when I called you an average fan. You are not a fan at all."

Then you have the courage to PM me and say you did not insult me.

I rest my case, everyone else can gather what they want from all of this.

[RonaldoD08]

"I guess I was wrong when I called you an average fan. You are not a fan at all."

Then you have the courage to PM me and say you did not insult me.

I rest my case, everyone else can gather what they want from all of this.

I still don't follow you. You consider that an insult? Well if that gets you dancing, then you better start thinking of leaving this forum...

Now if a fan says that his team won by cheating in a open forum, I guess what that means...
It's not exactly sportsmanship...and using your definition of insult, I now consider that an insult too...

PS: There is no need to rest your case. You don't even have a case...

[Becks]

That entire last post was just an immature attempt to try and offend me. Ask a Manchester fan if Roy's swatting out the obvious goal was right or not. It did cause Manchester to win, but every fan on here says that it should've been different. I guess according to you, they are not fans either.

[RonaldoD08]

That entire last post was just an immature attempt to try and offend me. Ask a Manchester fan if Roy's swatting out the obvious goal was right or not. It did cause Manchester to win, but every fan on here says that it should've been different. I guess according to you, they are not fans either.

Where did this come out from...

I still don't understand you Becks and you are totally proving me wrong on you. First of all by behaving like this in an open forum and secondly by your confused way of posting...

What does this Roy's swat has to do with you and Real Madrid. Besides the fact that they are not nearly the same...the connection you are trying to create does not make sense...

PS: As I already told, you better chill out. You will go too far with this...You have already lost control of yourself as far as I can tell...:D

[Rickster]

awite u guys just flood the forums from pg 56 to 59.
owen for us was essential. no i tink the goal from ronaldo should be given. y? becos the ball came of the defenders head no matter ronaldo was offside before that. helgueras goal shud be given bcos he came running in so therefore hes got more momentum.

i tink this lineup is very good in the start we were lively and running. now i prefer having solari than zidane. zidane is old n doesnt luk like he can last full 90 mins. solari was all over the pitch.

wat happened to raul? bcos of his form or bcos of his injury? i know he had an injury during spain match.

i tink our formation was a 4-4-2 diamond

[RonaldoD08]

awite u guys just flood the forums from pg 56 to 59.
owen for us was essential. no i tink the goal from ronaldo should be given. y? becos the ball came of the defenders head no matter ronaldo was offside before that. helgueras goal shud be given bcos he came running in so therefore hes got more momentum.

i tink this lineup is very good in the start we were lively and running. now i prefer having solari than zidane. zidane is old n doesnt luk like he can last full 90 mins. solari was all over the pitch.

wat happened to raul? bcos of his form or bcos of his injury? i know he had an injury during spain match.

i tink our formation was a 4-4-2 diamond

This formation is pretty good. They just have to be more offensive and not satisfy themselves with a single goal difference....

Beckham is essential too in the right band and Zidane has not lost it all. We can still play him in the beggining to spark the game.

All we have to do is get more offensive like we used to be in the old times...

[thetimbot]

Owen made good on his chance, Ronaldo didn't.... where's the confusion?


The fancy dribbling filled play isn't always the best choice, as was proven in this game and the chelsea game on the weekend where sublime passing lead to what you would refer to as a simple tap in.

Ever play soccer? getting a goal on a rushing goalie is hard if you can't keep your wits about you all the latin style in the world won't make the ball go in.



Interesting Stat.... every game owen has scored in Real Madrid wins.

[RonaldoD08]

Owen made good on his chance, Ronaldo didn't.... where's the confusion?


The fancy dribbling filled play isn't always the best choice, as was proven in this game and the chelsea game on the weekend where sublime passing lead to what you would refer to as a simple tap in.

Ever play soccer? getting a goal on a rushing goalie is hard if you can't keep your wits about you all the latin style in the world won't make the ball go in.



Interesting Stat.... every game owen has scored in Real Madrid wins.

The other interesting stat is that Owen does not score with Ronaldo...in the important games...

Now as for the stat you are talking about, that's wrong, grammatically and statistically. Didn't Owen score when we got out of the cup race? Did we win then? This is just an example and maybe one of the more important ones.

So please everyone. Next time you decide to make up your own facts, just check how fake they are before posting them. You don't won't to be discovered at the first reply do you...:D
If there is nothing constructive you can say, don't post at all.

[thetimbot]

The other interesting stat is that Owen does not score with Ronaldo...in the important games...

Now as for the stat you are talking about, that's wrong, grammatically and statistically. Didn't Owen score when we got out of the cup race? Did we win then? This is just an example and maybe one of the more important ones.

So please everyone. Next time you decide to make up your own facts, just check how fake they are before posting them. You don't won't to be discovered at the first reply do you...:D
If there is nothing constructive you can say, don't post at all.


For starters you are in absolutly no position to be a grammar Nazi. Secondly, it was nice of you to prove Beck's earlier point about your love of personal attacks.

The stat in question comes from skysports, so feel free to take it up with them :D.

You still haven't come up with a retort to the most important argument at all though. Owen had one chance and made it well, Ronaldo had several and either hit the woodwork or the goalie.

Helguera - 1
Owen - 1
Ronaldo - 0

Wheres the argument here?

[RonaldoD08]

For starters you are in absolutly no position to be a grammar Nazi. Secondly, it was nice of you to prove Beck's earlier point about your love of personal attacks.

The stat in question comes from skysports, so feel free to take it up with them :D.

You still haven't come up with a retort to the most important argument at all though. Owen had one chance and made it well, Ronaldo had several and either hit the woodwork or the goalie.

Helguera - 1
Owen - 1
Ronaldo - 0

Wheres the argument here?

That stat can come from god himself, but if it's wrong it is wrong-which means that God would never tell you that stat. Last time I checked Sky Sport was an english media and Owen happens to be the English NT main striker so...nothing suprising at that....

As for grammar, you are still wrong. And for the personal attack, I don't know where I attacked Becks or anyone. I was talking about Owen. If he considers that a personal attack, that's his problem. As for you, I just told you that you were wrong in what you were saying-which you are-so that is not a personal attack.

As I said before, Owen's performance proves that he is a very good bench player as he can play for only 10 secs and for the remaining 94 mins and 50 secs, he does not exist in the field. Also, given that you don't know it, I would like to tell you that a striker is not only to score goals. His job is to control the opposing defenders and midfield as well. Have you seen another interesting stat, that when Ronaldo didn't play we got our ass smacked from the opposing defense instead of the opposing offense. That means that our defenders were not at fault, but our strikers who couldn't keep the opposing defenders at their place.
Now as I told you once, if you have nothing constructive to say, don't say anything...Is that so hard to understand?

[thetimbot]

I still don't follow you. You consider that an insult? Well if that gets you dancing, then you better start thinking of leaving this forum...

Now if a fan says that his team won by cheating in a open forum, I guess what that means...
It's not exactly sportsmanship...and using your definition of insult, I now consider that an insult too...

PS: There is no need to rest your case. You don't even have a case...

If you can't pick out what's grammatically wrong with this post I would like to formally request you try your best to bite your tongue when it comes to my own errors.

I'm not talking about what makes a complete striker. What I am saying is that Guti made the smart play, Owen scored. If you're saying yourself Owen was invisible for the rest of the game then that makes him 1/1 in this game. I personally rather have the player that converts 100% of his chances then one that converts none (Despite the outrageous claim that the Albacete players forgot that they were elite soccer players and decided to only mark Ronaldo for the entire game.).

I refuse to adress any new arguments you bring up until you adress mine.

[RonaldoD08]

If you can't pick out what's grammatically wrong with this post I would like to formally request you try your best to bite your tongue when it comes to my own errors.

I'm not talking about what makes a complete striker. What I am saying is that Guti made the smart play, Owen scored. If you're saying yourself Owen was invisible for the rest of the game then that makes him 1/1 in this game. I personally rather have the player that converts 100% of his chances then one that converts none (Despite the outrageous claim that the Albacete players forgot that they were elite soccer players and decided to only mark Ronaldo for the entire game.).

I refuse to adress any new arguments you bring up until you adress mine.

Now as for the perfect striker, I would rather have someone who is able to set himself up and who is worthy of defensive guard. If all that Owen can do is push the ball in the net once per game-which takes 10 secs-then I say we should keep him in the bech until the last 5 minutes of game (I am givng him more than 10 sec).
Now I don't know where you came up with this-perfect striker-thing, however, Everyone knows that Owen is just a finisher. He cannot be considered a perfect striker.
Owen may as well score 1 goal per game everytime, but if he won't help the team in any other way then he is useless. If Owen cannot control the defenders and keep them in their place so that our own defense won't have to face a 10 men attack, then I say Owen is useless. 1 goal doesn't matter if the other team scores 5 because of Owen's inability to play.

Now to answer your question, I would rather have Ronaldo in attack instead of Owen, because Ronaldo can play on his own and can also play with others. Besides this, Ronaldo is still feared and he still has his fair share of defenders-2-4 each game-which can get up to three players of our team open to score.

PS: Also I don't get this "I refuse" thing you got there. What does that mean? If you refuse to stay here, just go. No one is forcing you to stay.

[snakies]

Now as for the perfect striker, I would rather have someone who is able to set himself up and who is worthy of defensive guard. If all that Owen can do is push the ball in the net once per game-which takes 10 secs-then I say we should keep him in the bech until the last 5 minutes of game (I am givng him more than 10 sec).
Now I don't know where you came up with this-perfect striker-thing, however, Everyone knows that Owen is just a finisher. He cannot be considered a perfect striker.
Owen may as well score 1 goal per game everytime, but if he won't help the team in any other way then he is useless. If Owen cannot control the defenders and keep them in their place so that our own defense won't have to face a 10 men attack, then I say Owen is useless. 1 goal doesn't matter if the other team scores 5 because of Owen's inability to play.

Now to answer your question, I would rather have Ronaldo in attack instead of Owen, because Ronaldo can play on his own and can also play with others. Besides this, Ronaldo is still feared and he still has his fair share of defenders-2-4 each game-which can get up to three players of our team open to score.

PS: Also I don't get this "I refuse" thing you got there. What does that mean? If you refuse to stay here, just go. No one is forcing you to stay.
ur obsessed with ronaldo lol but yea i would rather have ronaldo than owen playing up front

[thetimbot]

more useless rambling about something I'm not talking about.

Once again never said owen was the perfect striker, jut said he obviously played a better game then Ronaldo and you cease to adress that point. Once again, real madrid would not have one if not for owen's simply push of the ball in. Once again you go off on your own tangent, and once again I refuse to respond to any new arguments until you learn how a conversation works.

ps: Not wanting to answer your rebuttals that have nothing to do with the topic has nothing to do with my desire to stay on these boards.

[Leon of Silvren]

I would rather have Ronnie also, but Owen should get some more time. Ronaldo has to know he doesn't have all match to score, he should know that if he's not doing things right in a match he will be replaced, same goes to Raul.

[Becks]

Owen > Ronaldo.

Ronaldo has been given a few seasons to prove himself, and he hasn't. Owen is coming off the bench and proving that he deserves his spot.

2-4 Defenders every match? If a team, and a lot of them do, play a 4-4-2, then that means half if not all defenders would be on Ronaldo, meaning either the other half would be on Owen, or none would be on Owen. If 2 are on Ronaldo and 2 are on Owen, then it is balanced and proves that Owen can take the pressure applied and turn it into something good. If all 4 defenders were on Ronaldo, then that just means they have underestimated Owen, and apparently will learn their lesson when he scores again.

Ronaldo pre-surgery would've been able to go up against anyone that he met, however, now, he just can't. Why would any manager want a striker that cannot score goals?

[RonaldoD08]

Owen > Ronaldo.

Ronaldo has been given a few seasons to prove himself, and he hasn't. Owen is coming off the bench and proving that he deserves his spot.

2-4 Defenders every match? If a team, and a lot of them do, play a 4-4-2, then that means half if not all defenders would be on Ronaldo, meaning either the other half would be on Owen, or none would be on Owen. If 2 are on Ronaldo and 2 are on Owen, then it is balanced and proves that Owen can take the pressure applied and turn it into something good. If all 4 defenders were on Ronaldo, then that just means they have underestimated Owen, and apparently will learn their lesson when he scores again.

Ronaldo pre-surgery would've been able to go up against anyone that he met, however, now, he just can't. Why would any manager want a striker that cannot score goals?

Ronaldo 2002-03 23 (30) goals / 30 (41) games - Scored in the Intercontinental Cup and Scored in all the last games in La Liga giving us the chance to beat R. Sociedad by 1 point or 2. I don't think we would have won that championship without Ronaldo. Real Madrid had the best offense with Ronaldo scoring 40% of the whole gols.
Ronaldo 2003-04 24 (31) goals / 31 (40) games - Real Madrid had the best offense by far, but literally sucked in defense having 54 goals against which means 1.5 goal per game. I don't think you can blame Ronaldo nor Raul for losing last season. Also that shows that we didn't really need ay new striker like Owen, but needed someone in defense. Ronaldo scoring 35% of the whole goals.

Well I don't know what much he has to prove...

Owen proved what?

Now for a start up pair I would definitely have Ronaldo and Owen. Raul has been having a really bad season. 5 goals for someone like him is sad. In the last two seasons he wasn't great either, but still he scored in the 10+ range. Now he has only 5 goals.
Now this pair has shown that works pretty well. As you said yourself Becks, Ronaldo gets the defenders and set's Owen up, free to do the only think he knows-finish. I am not saying aything against the pair, but to start saying that Owen is the one keeping us alive is total BS.

Next season I would like to see Joaquin and Robinho in Madrid together with Adriano as well. If Perez does not buy these guys, we can as well be sure that we won't get anything next season either. Owen could be a very profitable sale as we bought him pretty cheap and we can sell him for a little bit more.

[Becks]

This is 2005 mate, and that is where Ronaldo has fallen off.

Ronaldo - 15 total goals this season, and being a starting player.

Owen - 13 total goals this season, and coming off the bench, not having the full 90 minutes to slaughter the keeper some more.

Ronaldo is not a constant player anymore, where Owen is. I look for him to surpass Ronaldo and become the team goal scoring leader unless things change.

Raul has 10 total goals for the 2004-2005 season.

[Leon of Silvren]

I say I would rather have Ronnie as starter than Owen because of what the facts show:

1-Owen performs better coming from the bench than playing as starter, if someone don't believe me, do some research.

2-Ronaldo is better playing one-on-ones against defenders, he can do more by himself than Owen by himself, Owen normally needs someone who makes him a pass so he can take the ball with advantage over the defender, finish the play and score the goal (his finishing is one of the best in the world) Why I bring this?? Because basically at the start of the match the defense is more tight, and our midfield isn't doing so well (which part of the team is doing good anyway??) So Ronnie loosen the defense and Owen beats them with his speed (one of the best in that field as well)

Now don't get me wrong, both are great players, my utopic scenario would be Ronaldo playing as starter and Owen subbed in at 15' or 20' in the 2nd half, Ronaldo should play as starter, but Owen should be given more time on the field, he truly deserves it.

[Rickster]

idunt understand how u can say ronaldo hasnt proved himself in real madrid. he has been real madrid top scorer since he came n once or twice la liga topscorer. how has he not proven himself? he is in a bad pitch now, hittin woodwork n goalie is becoming close chances. as soon as he hits the back of the net hes gona start scoring.

n i do notice everytime there are 2 players marking ronaldo. his chances in the first half were half half chances n he took a shot while running super speed on his left foot when there was 2 players markign him. other times on his right there were 2 players again marking him.

im not saying owen is bad. this post has got nutin to do with owen

n now i rather solari than zidane. zidane doesnt run in the game. solari was all over the pitch tryin to prove himself.

[Becks]

Ronaldo was brought to Madrid in hopes of winning some titles, and do so over the course of a few seasons. He has up and down seasons. That is not proving yourself, it is just meaning that you are lucky. He does great one season, but the next season he completely drops off and becomes lazy.

[Rickster]

you can depend on one player to score your goals. you have to remember about the coach the other players surrounding him to create the goals. n now that everyone all of a sudden double marks ronaldo. the whole team was lacking in defense n ronaldo has to run bak to defense. n when u r loosing how do u keep up the spirit of scoring more goals. especially when ronaldo lost champions league. so dunt depend on one player

look at teams in the EPL. they buy one good expensive player and the rest are no good. the team still doesnt succeed. everton when they had rooney.

so dunt blame a trophyless season on ronaldo for not scoring. partially blame the defense for not keepin out the goals. if you can defend you can never loose.

[Becks]

Honestly, I blame Raul, Ronaldo, and Bravo mostly for the trophy-less season.

[RonaldoD08]

Ronaldo didn't fail in his first two years in Real Madrid. Real had the best attack in the league with a huge advantage from the second place. Also Ronaldo won a Championship and International Cup in his first year with us. The second season was not lost because of Ronaldo, but because of lacking defense.

Now I don't really understand how you can call Ronaldo lucky. Ronaldo having lucky seasons?

[Becks]

Yes, I can say that. I said it before.
People need to realize that this is not last season, or the season prior. What has Ronaldo done for us this season?

Go ahead and add Perez to my list of blaming.

[RonaldoD08]

Owen > Ronaldo.

Ronaldo has been given a few seasons to prove himself, and he hasn't. Owen is coming off the bench and proving that he deserves his spot.


Now I am pretty sure that you wrote this Becks. It says "a few seasons". Now what is your point? This season or few seasons. I don't really get it. You say that Ronaldo is lucky as he has had a good season and then a bad season. Wouldn't this apply to Owen more than to Ronaldo as this is the first good season Owen has had in a long time...
Yet we are talking about the lst season aren't we? How can Ronaldo have a good season and then a bad season in one year? How many seasons does Real Madrid have in one year Becks? Isn't that one? :confused:

Do you mind telling us which of the last twenty posts you have posted here to read. I don't think all of them talk about the same thing....


What has Ronaldo done for us this season?

Last time I checkd, Ronaldo was our highest scorer even though he has played less games than Owen. Ususally people take the goal per game average not goal per second average...

[Becks]

I guess you just choose to single me out and try to start another fight. It won't happen. Your childish games are not worth it.


Spanish play is a lot different than the English style. Ronaldo has been able to adjust to it, and is still having up and down seasons. Owen, however, just arrived this season and is out-performing Ronaldo in every form.

[RonaldoD08]

I guess you just choose to single me out and try to start another fight. It won't happen. Your childish games are not worth it.


Spanish play is a lot different than the English style. Ronaldo has been able to adjust to it, and is still having up and down seasons. Owen, however, just arrived this season and is out-performing Ronaldo in every form.

Well ronaldo has already been adjusted to the league - 34 goals in 37 games with Barcelona...you forget that Becks.

This bad form is not because he is not adjusted to the league....are you sure what you are saying makes sense? Do you think that Raul is having problems adjusting too? He was born in La Liga and you think he hasn't adjusted yet?
Do you think that the whole team is having problems adjusting to La Liga? Our whole team hasn't been having a great season either starting from two years ago...Do you think that Real Madrid should switch to the Premiership?

Now I still don't get where you see Ronaldo's up and down seasons...remember you are talking about seasons: plural.

As for Owen outperforming Ronaldo, where do you base that? He hasn't outperformed him in skill for sure. Where did he outperform him then? In stats? Who has more goals and less games?
And the point you mention, is exactly what I said before. Owen does not match the way of play in La Liga. You are saying it too and then pretend that I am wrong...:confused: :D

PS: Now as for the fight, you are the one who keeps posting just for the sake of contradicting me even though what you post does not make sense...The sooner you stop the better it will be for you because you are reaching the limit.

[Becks]

Owen fits the style perfectly, that is how he has been able to score 13 goals so far.

When did I mention anyone else such as Raul? I didn't so watch yourself.

Seasons, yes seasons.
Ronaldo:
2002-2003 - 29 goals
2003-2004 - 31 goals
2004-2005 - 15 goals (so far).

8 matches left... If Ronaldo scores 2 goals every match, then he can equal what he has done in past seasons. Notice this...
29 , 31, 15...
Down, Up, Down.

[RonaldoD08]

Owen fits the style perfectly, that is how he has been able to score 13 goals so far.

When did I mention anyone else such as Raul? I didn't so watch yourself.

Seasons, yes seasons.
Ronaldo:
2002-2003 - 29 goals
2003-2004 - 31 goals
2004-2005 - 15 goals (so far).

8 matches left... If Ronaldo scores 2 goals every match, then he can equal what he has done in past seasons. Notice this...
29 , 31, 15...
Down, Up, Down.

2002-2003 - 30 goals (don't lie)
2003-2004 - 31 goals
2004-2005 - 15 goals

Now saying that 30 goals is down and 31 is up considered to 30 is really meaningless. When was the last time Owen scored 30 goals in a season?

Are you kidding me Becks? 30 is down and 31 is up? :D
What about 30.5? Is that just right?

[Becks]

Stop putting smileys after your insults just to make them seem justified. You failed at making yourself look good.

Want me to go through all of Ronaldo's matches for that season and count them?
23 in the league
0 in Copa
6 in the CL.

I have seen Owen score 30 goals in a season...Next season when he becomes a starting player and has 90 minutes to score as many goals as he can, and not 20.

[btha]

i really hate talking about football to people that can't be objective(i think that's the word). I'm a die hard real madrid fan, but if, for example, someone commits a foul inside the box, and it was obviously a foul, i won't get mad at the ref. Some people are the opposite. Same thing with that type of people people that have their favorite player idolized (*cough* wonder who that player might be for RONALDOD08). They will defend them to death and never admit that he's not as good as he used to be.
It would be more effective to talk to a brick wall.

[Becks]

Aye, I feel the same way. A lot of this started with Owen and the Helguera obvious foul.

[RonaldoD08]

i really hate talking about football to people that can't be objective(i think that's the word). I'm a die hard real madrid fan, but if, for example, someone commits a foul inside the box, and it was obviously a foul, i won't get mad at the ref. Some people are the opposite. Same thing with that type of people people that have their favorite player idolized (*cough* wonder who that player might be for RONALDOD08). They will defend them to death and never admit that he's not as good as he used to be.
It would be more effective to talk to a brick wall.

I never said that he is as good as he used to be...where did you get that from?

The stats show it...only 15 goals, but still Owen has less than that...13.

I am not the one saying that Ronaldo is just a lucky player and has up and down seasons...:confused:

And I do really think that the position of Ronaldo was not off-side when the ball was kicked. Neither do I think that Helguera fauled when he scored. Some other guys here have already given reasons for that so you better deal with them if you want.

Now what I don't like is people who don't know how to discuss. There is no need to mention my name. This is not about me so why do need to get my personae into this. If you had something to say regarding the ongoing discussion you should have said it. If not there is no need to get on personal attacks. Now I hope this will clear things up for you.

PS: In what season has Owen scored 30 goals Becks? I would really like to know...

[btha]

Only reason i mentioned your name was because of your name. I never said you were one of those people. It's just easy to see who your favorite player is.

[Becks]

Just so you know, your entire last post was one big personal attack.

You don't want your name involved, yet you have used mine plenty of times.
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29 goals is good...31 goals is better...15 goals is terrible in comparison to those.
DOWN UP WAY DOWN
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Owen has played off the bench buddy, and a lot less than frequent starter Ronaldo. Get YOUR facts straight.

I said which season Owen scored 30... Next season. Can you not read?

P.S. These aren't postal letters.

[RonaldoD08]

Just so you know, your entire last post was one big personal attack.

You don't want your name involved, yet you have used mine plenty of times.
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29 goals is good...31 goals is better...15 goals is terrible in comparison to those.
DOWN UP WAY DOWN
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Owen has played off the bench buddy, and a lot less than frequent starter Ronaldo. Get YOUR facts straight.

I said which season Owen scored 30... Next season. Can you not read?

P.S. These aren't postal letters.

Where do you see the personal attack? If I ask you a question, do you consider that a personal attack?

So Owen, next season will scoer 30 goals? What makes you so sure that he will play for Real Madrid and that Ronaldo won't score more than 30 next year. I mean that matches your own system too...Down, Up, Down and next season has to be up...:D

PS: If I am talking to you I kinda have to use your name Becks...I mean it's unavoidable. I didn't call you idiot though and I am not sure who did that...was that you?

[Becks]

If that person asking the question is you, then yes it is an insult to society in general.

Where did I say that he would be starting for Madrid? Ooh, never did, did I? ...Read.

FACE IT - Ronaldo is not what he used to be. Until he becomes the player we know he can be, I will not respect him. Which of Owen's 13 goals makes you doubt him so much?

[RonaldoD08]

If that person asking the question is you, then yes it is an insult to society in general.

Where did I say that he would be starting for Madrid? Ooh, never did, did I? ...Read.

FACE IT - Ronaldo is not what he used to be. Until he becomes the player we know he can be, I will not respect him. Which of Owen's 13 goals makes you doubt him so much?

Now as for your first part, how can you be so sure about me? Where do you base you statement or is it just another dream of yours. Is that supposed to happen next year too?
That's just the behavior we need from a moderator..."insult to society" :confused:.

I did not say that Ronaldo is what he used to be did I? NO!

Now as for Owen, all of his 13 goals make me doubt him as all of them are tap ins. If you think I am wrong, give me one example of a beautiful goal from Owen this year...:question:

Now if you have nothing else to add to the discussion just leave. You shouldn't make a fool of yourself like this Becks. Now this is not an attack on you. This is just stating a fact: 30 is down and 31 is up...the funniest thing I have ever heard...

[Becks]

You know what else is funny? The fact that in all of my time here, I have never had any problems with members until you. A lot of people can actually say that. You drive people to insanity with your accusations and your insults. You are twisted, paranoid, and really need to gain a life.

Yes that is an insult. Yes that is how I feel. Yes I mean every word. No I will not edit or take any of it back.

If that makes me a bad moderator, then take it up with Omar, because he was the one that appointed me. By basically saying I shouldn't be a moderator means that Omar is wrong.

I am finished with your POINTLESS insulting posts about how Owen is so terrible and how Ronaldo is some sort of God. You make it seem like Ronaldo has never scored an easy goal. However, if he did, everyone here could expect to see about 20 threads full of double posting about how wonderful he played. If you reply to me, then it just shows that you wish to further extend this feud that you yourself have created even after I have said that I am finished with all of your posts.

You want beautiful goals? Go watch Real Madrid's matches and you can find 13.

[RonaldoD08]

You know what else is funny? The fact that in all of my time here, I have never had any problems with members until you. A lot of people can actually say that. You drive people to insanity with your accusations and your insults. You are twisted, paranoid, and really need to gain a life.

Yes that is an insult. Yes that is how I feel. Yes I mean every word. No I will not edit or take any of it back.

If that makes me a bad moderator, then take it up with Omar, because he was the one that appointed me. By basically saying I shouldn't be a moderator means that Omar is wrong.

I am finished with your POINTLESS insulting posts about how Owen is so terrible and how Ronaldo is some sort of God. You make it seem like Ronaldo has never scored an easy goal. However, if he did, everyone here could expect to see about 20 threads full of double posting about how wonderful he played. If you reply to me, then it just shows that you wish to further extend this feud that you yourself have created even after I have said that I am finished with all of your posts.

You want beautiful goals? Go watch Real Madrid's matches and you can find 13.

If I had posted anything wrong until now then I would stop posting. Yet you cannot show one post of mine during our discussion here that could do me harm. I never said Ronaldo is God nor that Owen is terrible. I just gave you some interesting facts that showed that Owen has scored 10 times while playing with Ronaldo-pretty much everytime and only three times while not playing with Ronaldo. According to you that is simple chance. Yet I told you that Chaos Theory does not apply to macroscopic reality, but rather to microscopic reality. You didn't believe me so I guess you are too smart for science.

Now as for the fact of how you feel, I don't really care. I didn't make you feel like that by insulting you or attacking you. You just feel like that because you lost an argument. Instead of getting nasty, this loss should make you learn how to choose sides next time you decide to discuss about something.

Now this is a discussion board and I am using it as a discussion board. I never made up a fact, I never attacked you personally and I never insulted you or Owen. On the other side, that's all you did in every post. You kept trying to get my personae into this discussion even though I am the one who plays for Real Madrid.

It's nobody's fault if you don't know how to choose sides. And as for others, I don't really care what they do. Maybe they think that you are a good poster and debater - like I used to - so they think they have no chances against you. I don't think you are a good debater, because in every post you write you keep trying to get the other poster into a flaming contest as that's what you do best, I guess. Also the point you are trying to defend is far from being logical.

Now if you have any fact to support your claims show them to us. If you don't then stop making up fake claims - regarding me or the topic we are talking about - as it is not funny anymore. I don't think anyone here cares about what you think will happen in 10 years. If you can show us something that has already happened that's fine. If not then just leave the discussion and accept your defeat.

PS: Don't reply to this post with another evasive insult. If you want to continue the discussion in a logical way without telling me about your dreams: "I have seen Owen score 30 goals" - "He will score next season". So if Owen hasn't scored 30 goals yet how come you saw him score 30 goals. Now every other post of yours is just like that. Also if you have anything else to tell me you can use the PM if you want to.

Take care and don't take losses so bad. A real winner knows how to loose too.

[Becks]

Lol, love the post.
BTW, you don't play for Madrid.
Find a post with anyone else other than you and your ignorant beliefs and try to find where I tried to start a flame war.

Lemme get this straight...No matter what, always choose the side with Ronaldo? Got it.

Go do these things and come back here with another useless post on Omar's servers. I asked that you do not reply, in which you did, and tried to push this aside. You could not do that, so basically what I, and everyone else has said is true. Thank you for showing us that.

Now...Back to topic.

Beckham will be back in time for Barcalona and hopefully we can pull out a victory. It could put us back into the title race.

[RonaldoD08]

Lol, love the post.
BTW, you don't play for Madrid.
Find a post with anyone else other than you and your ignorant beliefs and try to find where I tried to start a flame war.

Lemme get this straight...No matter what, always choose the side with Ronaldo? Got it.

Go do these things and come back here with another useless post on Omar's servers. I asked that you do not reply, in which you did, and tried to push this aside. You could not do that, so basically what I, and everyone else has said is true. Thank you for showing us that.

Now...Back to topic.

Beckham will be back in time for Barcalona and hopefully we can pull out a victory. It could put us back into the title race.

Now, from what you are saying, you admitt having a personal grudge with me. (other than you and your ignorant beliefs). Now I am not sure which one is ignorant here: me - saying that Owen has scored 10 times, or almost every time he has played with Ronaldo
or you - saying that Ronaldo is a lucky player...the most meaningless and funny thing I have ever heard.

I don't think any of my posts is useles unlike yours. All you did was telling us about your dreams with Owen scoring 30 goals...too funny and dumb...

It is not you, the one who should ask me to push this aside. You are the one who actually made a personal attack on me. As far as I remember I was talking to btha. You were not part of that discussion. Why did you attack me? Is it because of your personal grudge you have against me?

Now don't reply to this post as there is nothing you can say in your defense - at least nothing that is real. You can still tell us about your dreams about Owen though. They were pretty funny.

[Becks]

Hahaha....HAHHAHAHA...LOL ROFLMAO....I just thought of something hilarious... Owen has outscored Raul, and almost outscored Ronaldo, which he will do very soon....HAHA...In his first season here....AND WHILE COMING OFF THE BENCH NEARLY EVERY MATCH...LOL....

Personal grudge? Before...no....now....yes.

But you never left it at "Owen has scored 10 goals...." You decided to bring in the fact that I am an average fan, or say things like "if you really watched the match."


Now don't reply to this post as there is nothing you can say in your defense - at least nothing that is real.

Well, apparently I have one, and it looks pretty real to me.

Also, I tried to put this thread back on topic, but you, who loves drama more than life itself, and place it right behind Ronaldo which you hold more sacred than anything, decided to drive it off once again. This is something you accused me of numerous times. Stop posting completely until you can stop becoming a hypocrite and learn how to carry on a decent conversation without feeling the need to try and degrade people who do not go along with your selfish and cheating beliefs (the Helguera goal). Open forum not only means open to the public, but it also means that you can post your opinion freely. That is what I have done, and you should respect that. Of course you won't and will once again reply with aspirations of bringing me down to your level. Yes it will work, yes it may result in a ban, but at least I can say, Yes, he was banned with me.

I see you found so much on those things I told you to find. Good work, I knew you had it in you.

[Highway Penguin]

Alright.
Enough, Ronaldo and Becks, you've flooded the the past 10 pages.

-Owen scored, Ronaldo fell apart and had many chances.
-Raul makes things happen upfront, Ronaldo dribbles around.

There.

Now for the game.
Predictions?
Lineups?

[RonaldoD08]

Hahaha....HAHHAHAHA...LOL ROFLMAO....I just thought of something hilarious... Owen has outscored Raul, and almost outscored Ronaldo, which he will do very soon....HAHA...In his first season here....AND WHILE COMING OFF THE BENCH NEARLY EVERY MATCH...LOL....

Personal grudge? Before...no....now....yes.

But you never left it at "Owen has scored 10 goals...." You decided to bring in the fact that I am an average fan, or say things like "if you really watched the match."



Well, apparently I have one, and it looks pretty real to me.

Also, I tried to put this thread back on topic, but you, who loves drama more than life itself, and place it right behind Ronaldo which you hold more sacred than anything, decided to drive it off once again. This is something you accused me of numerous times. Stop posting completely until you can stop becoming a hypocrite and learn how to carry on a decent conversation without feeling the need to try and degrade people who do not go along with your selfish and cheating beliefs (the Helguera goal). Open forum not only means open to the public, but it also means that you can post your opinion freely. That is what I have done, and you should respect that. Of course you won't and will once again reply with aspirations of bringing me down to your level. Yes it will work, yes it may result in a ban, but at least I can say, Yes, he was banned with me.

I see you found so much on those things I told you to find. Good work, I knew you had it in you.

Now I am sad to see that you are starting to really loose it. I don't know if you are wary of it, but your post makes no sense - besides the fact of admitting you personal grudge...

As for the fan thing, I told you that I don't think you are a fan at all anymore - after all of this...

And as for my cheating beliefs, I was not the one who explained you why Ronaldo was not off-side and why Helguera did not commit a faul. This does not apply to me, but to someone else. If you want to prove them wrong, I told you to do it with them not with me...

As for the conversation, I was never off topic and I was not the one who turned it into something personal. We were talking about Ronaldo and Owen. It was not about you and me. You wanted to turn it into a flaming contest so decided to categorise questions as insults, given that those were the only insults you could find in my posts. Damn, I did the mistake of asking you to prove your fake facts. I guess that made you come out with your real self and show us what a hypocrite you are - as I don't think that applies to me.

PS: I hope this helps you regain control of your senses before you do something that might hurt you. Don't hit your monitor with your head as you might get a shock...:D

BTW if you want to get banned then fine. Why don't you just tell the right persons to do you that favor? Why are you trying to get me into that. Also, I am very sorry to tell you that it will not work. You won't be able to achieve your goal...:D. If you want to leave, you can leave on your own.

[Becks]

Finally, someone who also wants this back on topic.

Raul will most likely start if able. Hopefully Solari over Zidane. Beckham will start. Figo will start, as he played well last match.

[RonaldoD08]

Now the formation seems to be...

Ronaldo and Raul

Zidane Figo and Beckham (Solari incase Beckham is not available)
Gravesen
Roberto Carlos, Pavon, Helguera and Raul Bravo. I am not sure about Pavon. He has started only 9 games and he hasn't been particularly great. Samuel will be missed...:(
Casillas should be in unless he does not have any problems with his back...

[RealMadrilismo]

Now the formation seems to be...

Ronaldo and Raul

Zidane Figo and Beckham (Solari incase Beckham is not available)
Gravesen
Roberto Carlos, Pavon, Helguera and Raul Bravo. I am not sure about Pavon. He has started only 9 games and he hasn't been particularly great. Samuel will be missed...:(
Casillas should be in unless he does not have any problems with his back...

Raul Bravo to start?? omg i hope not, thats not even his position to play. Hope its Michel Salgado!!!

[RonaldoD08]

Raul Bravo to start?? omg i hope not, thats not even his position to play. Hope its Michel Salgado!!!

Well Salgado should start, but it appears he is on a special training program because of the last game. Hopefully we won't have to give him up because after Samuel that would be too much...:mad2:

[Rickster]

29 to 31 to 15 goals

29 goals to 31 goals isnt far apart. ppl can have bad seasons aka raul. so no reason to blame ronaldo. blame the team. if we can play like chelsea where they purely use teamwork then we wud be like 2 season ago... again blame the team as a whole not attack on one person who has done nutin but score

[Becks]

But he has stopped scoring. Someone once said that Real Madrid was not a team, but rather a group of individuals. This is 100% true, and if they decide to play as individuals then we should be able to single them out as individuals.

[Rickster]

this is what i hate about galacticos. thats why we are getting anywhere if we have this type of mentality. i only believe players become legends becos of the other ppl in the team not just himself. henry is good in arsenal bcos of the team surrounding him that plays along with him. but how many times do you see him do the same in the natioanl team. hardely. also a worldclass player only bcomes worldclass due to the other ppl in the team.

btw ronaldo has won us the la liga once. without his goals we wudnt win. but that time our team had hierro and makelele. so it was different

[snakies]

btw ronaldo has won us the la liga once. without his goals we wudnt win. but that time our team had hierro and makelele. so it was different
selling makelele was the biggest mistake uve ever made

[Becks]

That is so very true Rickster.

There was a time when Madrid played as a team, and that is the time that they won the league. That time has passed us by, at least for this season.

There was a time when Ronaldo was the world's greatest striker, rivaling Pele. I believe that time has passed as well.

When the squad begins to work as a unit, then they can feed off of each other. People tend to criticize Owen, but he symbolizes what should be done. In his most recent goal, it showed what Madrid needed. The ball went from Guti to Owen, which went to the back of the net. Guti is often overlooked, but he is one of our best out there. Sometimes is seems like a midfielder passes to someone known for scoring goals, and forgets completely about the man in space. Guti does not follow these methods and passes to the man in space, be it Ronaldo, Owen, or Luxemburgo himself lol.

[RonaldoD08]

Guti's play was a simple counter-attack and Owen just finished as he was open. We cannot rely on luck...

I don't think Madrid needs that. We should not rely on counter - attacks. We should rely on ball control and beautiful game. I mean come on. We should be the team to win not the team to be beaten. The others should try to use counter attack on us not vice-versa...
We need Joaquin and Robinho to get control of the midfield once more so that our strikers won't have to help. Also we need someone good in air and Owen is not excactly the best choice for that and we know how much Ronaldo loves headers. Adriano would be the missing piece of the puzzle. If he comes, then Beckham beautiful passes can actually be used from someone...
If we control the game, we won't need counter-attacks as the whole game would be played in the opposing team half-field unlike now...

[Rickster]

counter attacks are good. cos you can make full use of the wingers and strikers. btw raul can header in goals. ive seen him do long range headers n score.

i was watching how juventus played. their 1-2 passes stop and goes where very effective in opening liverpool. i remember there were days when zidane figo n ronaldo n raul used to do them. it always works no matter what team who their defense is but it works. zidane doesnt do them anymore. figo just likes to out dribble everyone when he is slower and makes simple dives to the ground.

wat has happened to us

[RonaldoD08]

counter attacks are good. cos you can make full use of the wingers and strikers. btw raul can header in goals. ive seen him do long range headers n score.

i was watching how juventus played. their 1-2 passes stop and goes where very effective in opening liverpool. i remember there were days when zidane figo n ronaldo n raul used to do them. it always works no matter what team who their defense is but it works. zidane doesnt do them anymore. figo just likes to out dribble everyone when he is slower and makes simple dives to the ground.

wat has happened to us

Too many coaches in a short time...and loss of leadership. We need another Hierro and pretty soon, otherwise we are in trouble...

[Becks]

I think we should give Luxemburgo a chance to have a fresh season. Give him time to reorganize the club.

[Rickster]

yes i already sed before we needed the coach to start form a new season. i tink lux is very capable of keeping our club in good order. but he needs to build it up from scratch like vicente del bosque, all he did was sit on the bench, but he already organised the whole real madrid tactics n formations. when lux sorts it out its gona be less hectic.

personally i tink we shud sell players like raul bravo, pavon, mejia, minambres(if we still have him). n make money of that n buy other fast more hungry for success players.

gives raul time to suit the formation n by next yr i hope he will be the spanish boy again

[Becks]

Pavon and Bravo should go for sure. Neither are doing much. Buying better defenders would be the best option. The rest of the pitch looks good. Our midfield is good at least for another season, and our attack is superb, Raul, Ronaldo, and Owen. Let's not forget Robinho is coming this Summer.

[Highway Penguin]

Mejia and Minambres should stay.
Mejia can play all across the back, and Mina is only improving.

Pavon and Bravo should be loaned out.

We need to buy a young & good defender.
This will help us for next season.

Buys For Next Season -
Robinho
Kompany or Pique (:D)
Evra

[Becks]

Madrid has Robinho.

[ForcaMadrid]

Pavon and Bravo should go for sure. Neither are doing much. Buying better defenders would be the best option. The rest of the pitch looks good. Our midfield is good at least for another season, and our attack is superb, Raul, Ronaldo, and Owen. Let's not forget Robinho is coming this Summer.
I don't know why you think that the rest of the pitch is good.
Attack, i agree, nothing to change there. Owen is doing great, Ronaldo and Raul i am pretty sure will come back to their game.

Defense, yes it is obvious that needs some adjustment, but miedfield is the dept i think needs most reinforcement. We got Gravesen and that helped a lot. Now we need 2-3 more MF players to replace figo and Zidane, because my friend they are not what they used to be. Robinho and Joaquin (betis) i think are the perfect replacements. Then we would need another defensive MF to replace Gravesen when needed or when 2 DMF are needed on the pitch and Someone who doesn't mind sitting on the bech.

[Becks]

Notice, I said that our midfield was good for at least another season. I was including Robinho into next season.

[Equis5]

Talking about "el Clásico" on Real Madrid.com (http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/rma22145.htm) you can see a very fine work, with interviews, history and strange data.

I like most the comparison "Casillas vs. Valdes"!

PALMARÉS:

IKER CASILLAS
1 Campeonato del Mundo Sub-20.
2 Campeonatos de Liga.
2 Copas de Europa.
1 Supercopa de Europa.
2 Supercopas de España.
1 Copa Intercontinental.
1 Eurocopa Sub-16.
1 Trofeo Bravo 2000.

V�CTOR VALDÉS
- Debú en Primera División (2002-03).


LOL LOL LOL :ronaldo: :D :p :evil: and all the laughing smilies that you imagine.

[Rickster]

evra is pretty good and also del horno is good replacements.

kompany, mascherano, freddy guarin are also good for the midfield.

we need another young defender who is fast and strong.

sell our useless players that dunt do anyting. make money out of that.

we need right back too

[snakies]

Talking about "el Clásico" on Real Madrid.com (http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/rma22145.htm) you can see a very fine work, with interviews, history and strange data.

I like most the comparison "Casillas vs. Valdes"!

PALMARÉS:

IKER CASILLAS
1 Campeonato del Mundo Sub-20.
2 Campeonatos de Liga.
2 Copas de Europa.
1 Supercopa de Europa.
2 Supercopas de España.
1 Copa Intercontinental.
1 Eurocopa Sub-16.
1 Trofeo Bravo 2000.

V�CTOR VALDÉS
- Debú en Primera División (2002-03).


LOL LOL LOL :ronaldo: :D :p :evil: and all the laughing smilies that you imagine.
what does any of that have to do with skill? dont get me wrong i think casillas is better than valdes, but the amount of titles casillas has has nothing to do with why hes good

[RealMadrilismo]

what does any of that have to do with skill? dont get me wrong i think casillas is better than valdes, but the amount of titles casillas has has nothing to do with why hes good

I dont know if you knew but you need SKILL to get titles. Something Valdes still has to get. Players play to win titles and so far valdes hasnt won any. Maybe he will win the League this season but its still not official. Also Valdes realy showed lack of skill in the 2nd barca vs chelsea game.

Casillas best in the world in my book :p

[Highway Penguin]

Madrid has Robinho.

I've heard a lot of conflicting reports, to be honest.

So, I'm not going to make a definate on if he is or isn't on the team yet.

Though, Joaquin and Robinho would be great replacements for Figo and Zizou. I doubt we could get both. Figo and Zizou would have to be gone, in my opinion, before buying both. One yes, but both would cause trouble.
If Figo leaves this season, then I think buying both is a good option. But if we keep both, I think it'll be hard to make room for all of them.

[Becks]

Figo has a free transfer out at the end of the season.


Robinho is coming this summer, but they are keeping it as quiet as possible out of respect for his current club.

[Rickster]

u mean free transfer out of next season. joaquin is gona be great if he comes. start joaquin n then bring figo of the bench. joaquin sed figo is his favourite player so i dunt tink he will mind

[Becks]

Barca is also making a bid on him.

[Rickster]

OMG!!! nooo dunt bid for joaquin.... i hope we put a bid for him. joaquin sed his favourite club after betis is madrid cmon madrid dunt be stupid

[Nuaro]

If the bid doesn't work it,Barca will bid for Shaun Wright-Philips which is another excellent player.So,i guess the deal will be a win-win situation for us. :)

[MADRIDCF8]

in my opinion jaquin isway better then phillips and wil really help madrid


anyway anyone know whos avaible and whos not avaible?
thanks

[Becks]

If Barca wins the league, then you can almost confirm his transfer there.

[Rickster]

if barca win then they will get joaquin? y? joaquin sed he rather madrid than anyone else.. n so wat we come 2nd.. 2nd is respectable after what we've been through... i tink every1 expects alot from madrid just cos they got the world most expensive players

[Becks]

He has played with Betis... He will want to be surrounded by a team that is inspiring and have the potential to win trophies. Until Madrid get their act together, they won't do that.

[Rickster]

we have the potential to win trophies with new players. ppl dunt realise that. and getting into the last16 of champions league n 2nd in the laliga is promising for next season. if joaquin comes n next yr we win sumtin we can say he carried the team n ppl will notice him alot.

[Equis5]

Becks, Joaquin has said MANY times that if he, one day, leaves Betis, he ONLY will go to Real Madrid. He also recognised that the hand of Real rubbed the Chelsea's plans past December. He doesn't mind if Laporta becomes president of USA, he only will go to Madrid.

[Boko]

Becks, Joaquin has said MANY times that if he, one day, leaves Betis, he ONLY will go to Real Madrid. He also recognised that the hand of Real rubbed the Chelsea's plans past December. He doesn't mind if Laporta becomes president of USA, he only will go to Madrid.
Plus did you saw his reactions after barca game and what the ref did, I think Joaquin really "dislike" them (barca) already :) , but not just for this Equis5 said facts :)

[Lance Knight]

well the whole thing is:
-cassillas will always be better than valdes
-Kompany is a centre back
-Robinho is coming this summer
-And joaquin will either go to Real or Chelsea, he said he doesnt want to go to Barca.
-Figo is leaving(sadly) he would either to the english premeirship, probably ManU or back to portugal to finish off his career in his home country

[Boko]

well the whole thing is:
-cassillas will always be better than valdes
-Kompany is a centre back
-Robinho is coming this summer
-And joaquin will either go to Real or Chelsea, he said he doesnt want to go to Barca.
-Figo is leaving(sadly) he would either to the english premeirship, probably ManU or back to portugal to finish off his career in his home country

I like that much :)
But yeah he's really capable of playing for Real one day and better get him now than latter whe he'll worth really really much.

PS: Someone talked about Freddy Guarin have anyone watched him play couze I'm really enthusiasted of his play in FM 2005 but in real life it MIGHT be different ;)

[Rickster]

yea i saw guarin on FM2005 hes a columbian i wanted to get him but betis now has him:D kompany is good, n i tink we can change his position to a centre mid his still young.

wait figo contract finishes 2006. so does tat mean we selling him? wat was the reaction of joaquin?

[r0naldo4life]

We need another Hierro and pretty soon, otherwise we are in trouble...
Roberto Carlos?
i think he will ACE the job.. having both a hell a lot of experience and skill at the same time..
he's also older than other players so he can lead..
he g0t the captain badge one game when Raul wasnt playing..
in my opinion he's amazing! :p

[Rickster]

he shud be captain n not that grubby angry guti just becos hes from real madrid academy

[RonaldoD08]

A possible triplete for Barcelona. Ronaldo, Raul and Owen

-------------------Ronaldo----------------Owen-----------------
---------------------------------Raul-----------------------------
-------------Zidane----------------------Beckham---------------
------------------------------Gravesen---------------------------

Is this too offensive? Should Raul be in instead of Figo???

[Leon of Silvren]

Who aren't playing for our side this sunday?? Samuel, Guti and who else??

[Lance Knight]

hierro is and will always be my all time favourite player, real flick up his carrer when they sack him

[Lance Knight]

oh and i like that formation with raul, ronaldo and owen on the feild

[Lance Knight]

heres the preview to today's match

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/preview?id=179061&cc=3888

[_GrimReaper]

Wow Ronaldod08 real are realy going for the win in this match. Not that anyone can predict it but if barca manages not to conceed a goal in the first 20-30 mins, they will get at least a point.

[RonaldoD08]

heres the preview to today's match

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/preview?id=179061&cc=3888

don't triple post GP...Becks might see you...

[Becks]

Thanks for the cheap shot...
Do you love starting fights?

[RonaldoD08]

Thanks for the cheap shot...
Do you love starting fights?

I was sure you would come back on me...:D

[Becks]

? Really, stop. You are basically admitting what you are doing, now stop.


Hopefully by benching Figo, which was basically confirmed, and putting in Owen, the attack will be greatly improved. Possible goal chances are now Ronaldo, Raul, and Owen.

[RonaldoD08]

? Really, stop. You are basically admitting what you are doing, now stop.


I am admitting what? Playing with you? :silly:

[Becks]

OK, you have taken this thread off topic once again. Only post accordingly to what the topic is.

Ronaldo has also said that he is finished with his goal drought. His teammates seem to agree, with some saying that Ronaldo always performs in the big matches.

[devious]

Go Real!! GO! GO!! :D

[RonaldoD08]

Ronaldo has also said that he is finished with his goal drought. His teammates seem to agree, with some saying that Ronaldo always performs in the big matches.


You seem to write this as you were a journalist paid by Barca...lol.

Of course that Ronaldo will perform as well as the others - or at least this is what I hope...:silly:

[RealMadrilismo]

I cant wait for this game!!!

HALA MADRID!!!!!!!!

I say Real 2 - 0 Barca :ronaldo:

[Highway Penguin]

I'm looking forward to this game.

It'll be shown at 10am my time. So I've got to wake up early. haha, and before that I want to see an Italian game and another Liga match. I'll be up at about 6am. Haha.

1-0 Real, Raul.

[Becks]

2-1 is my pick.
Real will win, with Eto'o scoring for Barca. As for Madrid, Owen and Helguera.

[devious]

3-3 for Real!! :D :silly:

[Rickster]

helguera hmmmm..... y always him scoring. shows we r weak in attack n depend on defenders to score for us.

i say 2-1 ronaldo to score first then etoo then raul

[Barça]

i See Everyone Is Talking Real Real.. Well See Who Will Win The Game Real Has Not So Much Chances 2 Win The Game Will End Draw Or Win For Barca... Real Is Old Team.. I Only Expect Good Game From Owen And No One Else..
FORZA BARCA

[Nuaro]

All the best to Real but i'm just curious (although it's too late to type this).Why is there little fuss about el gran classico here in SFN? I mean forget about the Man u-liverpool/arsenal rivalry.This match is the mother of all derbies.The biggest match you can get to see in world football. Or maybe the biggest spectacle in the universe.This match is about art,passion,drama and everything the world represents. Are we losing passionate fans here in SFN?

[nachi88]

All the best to Real but i'm just curious (although it's too late to type this).Why is there little fuss about el gran classico here in SFN? I mean forget about the Man u-liverpool/arsenal rivalry.This match is the mother of all derbies.The biggest match you can get to see in world football. Or maybe the biggest spectacle in the universe.This match is about art,passion,drama and everything the world represents. Are we losing passionate fans here in SFN?

i would say becuase this season.. already the title seems to be with barca, and the outcome of this match wouldnt change things that much.

Also some of the other equally big rivalries ( in terms of crowd attendance, and regional pride/significance)
Liverpool vs Everton
Schalke vs Dortmund
Bayern vs Stuttgart
Man utd vs Arsenal
Man utd vs Man city
Athletico vs Real Madrid
Inter vs AC
Inter vs Juve
Juve vs AC
PSV vs Ajax
Galatasaray vs Fernerbahce

[btha]

3-1 HALF TIME

JESUS MY HEART IS EXPLODING. first half completly action packed

it's not over though! barca were very dangerous first half!

ronaldo raul zidande

[RealMadrilismo]

muahahah!!!! Raul looks like he came out of a war after he scored his goal. Hopefuly we get to see more goals in the second half but this game looks like a win to Real alreary :ronaldo:

[RealMadrilismo]

REAL MADRID 4 - 2 BARCELONA

MUAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RAUL, RONALDO, ZIDANE, OWEN = 1 Goal each :ronaldo:

[btha]

4-2
Full time

Zidane
Ronaldo
Raul
Owen

Awesome game, even though Raul scored he was pretty much invisbible as usual. Ronaldo played very well i think. Zidane too but lost the ball too much. Carlos and Salgado both had a very good game. Beckham was amazing, probably his best game of the season. Casillas saved us per usual and helguera was amazing in the defence. Pavon.. wow i when i wrote this i realize i did not once notice him in the entire game lol. Owen was OK, scored and did his job.. Gravesen was also incredible, he pretty much replaced pavon as the 4th defender.

[r0naldo4life]

AHAHAHAHAHAH !! 4-1 !!!!
DONT MESS WITH THE MADRID ALLSTARS U PUNK ASS BARCA!!!
THANK YOU RONALDO FOR A PERFECT GAME!!
HAPPY BDAY ROBERTO CARLOS!!
CONGRATS MADRIDIANS!!!
WE DESERVE MORE!!!!
woooo :D :D :D :D :D

[RonaldoD08]

REAL MADRID 4 - 2 BARCELONA

MUAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RAUL, RONALDO, ZIDANE, OWEN = 1 Goal each :ronaldo:

The best two players of the world....
Ronaldo - assist
Zidane - goal

Beckham - cross
Ronaldo - Goal

R. Carlos - cross
Raul - goal

Beckham - cross
Owen - goal



Pavon - sucks :D
Helguerra - sucks :D
Eto'o - goal

Ronaldo and Beckham - mess up the wall (not their fault :D)
Ronaldinho - goal


Best players for Real: Ronaldo, Beckham, Zidane
Best players for Barca: Eto'o, Ronaldinho

Now this should give Ronaldo a break...a header against Barca. He always performs in big games...

[Boko]

Great formation we looked really well in attack. The trio didn't let them take breath. If we play like that to the end there's no way we won't be champions :) Pavon was the onlyone who played bad, i think he was guilty for Eto'o's goal :( But now if he's (Eto'o) injured for the rest of the season our chances are growing really much :)

[Rickster]

So basically saying we play well in big ass matches and play like losers in matches like getafe. whats going on? man i knew raul was going to score. CMON RAUL now he'll get his goalscoring boots ready. all he needed was 1 goal

i thought ronaldo should have taken on puyol more so that puyol can get sent off :D

[RonaldoD08]

Come on guys...
Where is the enthusiasm???
Where are the fans???

I knew that THE GALACTICOS wouldn't let us down. They showed who they are ....

PS: I love how the newspapers described the game...:silly:...

A superb fourth goal from MICHAEL OWEN (which was the only thing he did) and three more goals from Zidane, Ronaldo and Raul....

Maybe because the newspapers are english or maybe because people just don't like the galacticos, but they describe Owen as the saviour and THE GALACTICOS as just three more players that had to fill in the numbers...:D. Nobody says "Great comeback for el capitano", "Perfect game for El phenomeno", "El mago is still here", "Spice-boy got his touch back"...etc
I wonder what would the newspaper say if Barca had won...:D


...galacticos crashed...galacticocs era is over...

Now that THE GALACTICOS won, nobody says anything. However, it's not that bad. At least they don't say it was a lucky win (not yet though...)

[Highway Penguin]

Great match. IMHO, best of the year/season.

Zizou's goal was wonderful, shame he had to hit his head like that.. ha.
Ronaldo's goal was nice as well, for a second I thought he'd missed. :)
Raul's was good, but kinda sloppy on Valdez's part, but a goal's a goal.
Eto'o's goal was good, but same reasoning for Raul's. I still can't believe Helguera let him by.
Owen's goal was nicer than Eto'o's and Raul's, just cause he volleyed it, and I like volleys. Though Valdez messed up.
Ronaldinho's goal...wow. I love the guy (I support Brasil), but I hate him too.

All in all-
Casillas - Decent preformance, not much to worry about.
Carlos - I think he's back to the old Carlos. Good - Great job.
Helguera - Eh, little shacky, Eto'o gave him a lot to handle.
Pavon - It's Pavon.
Salgado - He got up and back well, had a good match.
Gravesen - For his first Barca derby, I think he did very well. Controlled the midfield well.
Zizou - Ah, the long legged man does it again. ;)
Becks - The hair, I swear, it has to do something to him. Haha. Best job so far this season.
Ronaldo - A goal and assist, not too shabby for the brasilian, Good job.
Raul - After being hit in the eye, I thought he be subbed, but he came back. I just love the guy. :) Great job.
Owen - Did well tonight, not the most impressive man on the pitch, but made what he did count.
Figo - Not too much time to perform.
Solari - Same as Figo.
Celades - Did he touch the ball? lol.

Best - Carlos, Becks, Gravesen, Zizou
Worst - Pavon

Barca Best - Eto'o, Puyol, Gio

[Rickster]

beckham definately over the past few games man of the match all the time. hes been the savior he works relly hard and it pays off by an assist. so what happened to his critics?

ronaldo was awesome. always 2 defenders by him. but when he had space he dribbled by them and caused some yellow cards. owen did his job. i wudnt say rauls goal was lucky. i would say its critical finishing. even if it did hit the goaie or not both ways still in the back of the net. and the way he celebrated the goal was inspirational from him. i hope he continues to put more at the back of the net.

the formation was good with the current players. but i hated it when lux brought of owen to replace him by figo. he shud havg taken off zidane or raul. more zidane actually he luked tired. and solari to replace raul. and he should hav brought solari earlier in the game instead of 10min to go.

[Becks]

Wonderful match. If the player would just put this effort into all of their matches. Is it just me, or is the formation without Figo, using Owen instead, really brilliant?

[RonaldoD08]

I wouldn't go as far as considering them Brilliant because they might loose their next game, which would be a very cheap shot at the fans.

Also this game was not won by the formation. It was won because of what the players put into the game. And this game was not the best for Owen, even though he is the only one mentioned in every newspaper. Nobody will mention any other player because that would prove all of them wrong as until 5 minutes before the game started everyone was busy thinking about the best ways to trash the galacticos, as if the whole trashing they have done till now was not enough. Now they have been proven worng, but no one is readyto admitt that. No one will say that Real Madrid Galacticos had a great game. Only Owen had a good game according to them, which is not the case.

Who mentioned Raul's sacrifice? Who mentioned Zidane's game even after he had a concusion? Who mentioned Beckham's beautiful assists? Who mentioned Ronaldo's game opening assist and game closing goal? Who mentioned Roberto's sprints (even though he slacked against Eto'o at the moment of the goal).

Ronaldo: He took them all, starting one by one and finishing with four by fours...A great game not only because of the assists (Zidane, Roberto Carlos, Raul, Owen) or the goal, but also because of the spirit he put into the game.

Zidane: What a flare...A beautiful header and great come back after the concusion. A little bit shaky at first, but he soon got the magics going...

Raul: Tried his best even though it didn't work that well some time. We were almost being punished because of his mistakes if it was not for Gravesen and R. Carlos.

Beckham: It really must be his new haircut. His passes were awesome and he should had got a goal if it was not for Valdes's bravery....

Gravesen: He kicked some but last night. He was all over the defense and did what I was hoping he would do. With that triple attacking line-up I was afraid of the dfense letting us down, but Gravesen really proved himself to be worthy. He didn't let Ronaldinho touch the ball twice in a row and he would jump from Ronaldinho to Eto'o even faster than the ball would get there...WOW

R. Carlos: I hope what Victor said is true. The guy really seemed to be back. He was flying all over the place. Great defense except a fatal error. Great assist for Raul...

I guess these are the only ones worthy of mentioning...

[Becks]

I think everyone did well. The formation allowed an onslaught of attack. Owen deserves just as much credit as anyone else. I think Beckham was involved with 3 of the 4 goals scored.

[RaulMadrid7]

I think everyone did well. The formation allowed an onslaught of attack. Owen deserves just as much credit as anyone else. I think Beckham was involved with 3 of the 4 goals scored.

I'm hoping to watch the game tonight because my cheap a$$ cable channel 22 will show it at midnight.

I think the reason they won was because of thier determination and the quotes that Zidane and Ronaldo said before they game assuring everyone that they would score"There isn't anyone more willing to score than me."Ronaldo. But the quote that I really felt good about was when Beckham said these 2 quotes out of the questions said by the interviewer,

Are you betting on the result?
"No, absolutely no, I´ve never bet in my life. We have the option of winning or losing, although in this occasion only the first thing counts."

I hope you succeed.
"We´ll fight for it to be Madrid."

[ForcaMadrid]

I was impressed by Ronaldo, not because he scored a goal, gave an assist and made some beautiful plays, but because he played for the team, which he hasn't been doing lately. Did you see how often he was coming back to ddefend. He came several time back to REAL's corner to give a hand to defense. This is what REAL has been missing, that everyone plays hard and gives it all.

Also, i think that REAL plays much better with Bechkam instead of Figo. Figo tends to delay the game while Bechkam is much faster. Also Bechkams crosses are much better.

[Leon of Silvren]

Ronaldo played a great match, he didn't score many goals, nor had many chances to, but he was eager and dynamic, always looking for the ball, asking for it, passing, dribbling, shooting.....he's definitely back.

The defense was awful, I don't know what Helguera is training, but definitely he's getting more lame everyday.....and Pavon is Pavon, we know what to expect from that guy. Without Samuel, the defense is too weak. R.Carlos had a moment of weakness but then sat foot and played as he usually does, after that no one attacked for his side, Salgado was good, like always, he's very constant.

The midfield was also bad, Gravesen was good on defense -like always, Becks was the best there, he ran the line more than once and threw good crosses, and Zizou was average, I don't know which match you guys saw, but Zizou didn't play well.....

About Barca, they were lame, after they scored their first goal they started to play well but after that their game was almost null, Dinho was awful, I was embarassed to see him.....I think their best man was Maxi Lopez.....(and that's not a compliment)

Anyway, 4-2 the final score, great match by our side, there's still chances to win La Liga and HALA MADRID!!!

[Leon of Silvren]

R. Carlos: I hope what Victor said is true. The guy really seemed to be back. He was flying all over the place. Great defense except a fatal error. Great assist for Raul...
I'm sorry but what fatal error?? If you're talking about the goal, it was Pavon's fault, look at the replay, Pavon was the one marking Eto'o, and was the one who eventually left him go alone, Carlos just came into the picture to make the cover, but an error one meter away from the box is impossible to make the cover.

Ask yourself this question: do the wing backs mark the center of the field?? I think no, it's the centre back's work.....

[icy55]

Also, i think that REAL plays much better with Bechkam instead of Figo. Figo tends to delay the game while Bechkam is much faster. Also Bechkams crosses are much better.
i dont like the way u are turning your back on figo. i mean its only a few games. hmm. i guess becks really played well last night that i would agree.but in geral i still think that figo does a better job. hope that luxa wont put him on the bench the next game.

[ForcaMadrid]

i dont like the way u are turning your back on figo. i mean its only a few games. hmm. i guess becks really played well last night that i would agree.but in geral i still think that figo does a better job. hope that luxa wont put him on the bench the next game.

I am a REAL fan, not a Figo or Bechkam fan. I like Figo and i think he has give a lot to the club, but i am just saying that now is better to have Bechkamm in his place for many reaasons:
Bechkam is performing better than figo at the moment. I tried to explain before why.
Also Bechkam is completely out of position as a CM. If you want to keep Figo that's your opinion, but i think that only one of them should play unless you put figo on the left. And this is not based just on last night's match but in the recent matches when i have seen Bechkam performing very well in the right flank

[hezri]

Will Samuel be available in next match ? Putting Helguera and Pavon there scares me to hell ... Thank god Gravensen and Carlos did superbly .
Zidane , my favourite player got concussion .. how sad . Hopefully , he'll be well .

[Nikodemus]

Absolutely magnificent! 4-2 victory. Barcelona is down. Their neck is broken. 6 points is not a too big gap in this situation even if there are only seven games left. Two losses and a draw from Barça and this year will not be cupless for us.
Maybe I'm too optimistic but yesterday Real played an awesome game. Eto'o's and Ronaldinho's goals were disappointments but Galacticos made four beautiful goals and they were not the only great performances from Real's players. Those assists and passes. Thank you Real Madrid!

[ForcaMadrid]

Isn't still the rule of head-to-head results in case of equal points?
In that case Barca needs to at least loose one draw two matches. still very difficult to happen

[RonaldoD08]

Isn't still the rule of head-to-head results in case of equal points?
In that case Barca needs to at least loose one draw two matches. still very difficult to happen

I don't think a championship is decided by goal difference...

[Rickster]

i tink owen did as much as everybody taking on ppl and scoring goals. raul did some pretty awite movements like how he megged someone hahah. but i think the thing that made us win was the determination and hardwork. we kept running and fightin for the ball. i think this formation is better without figo. figo doesnt run back fast enough to make tackles and he always fouls some1 or dives which breaks down gameplay. but figo and solari make good subs.

[tok87]

Great MATCH.....but barca desreved a "litlle" more, then a defeat of 2:4....

[Leon of Silvren]

I am a REAL fan, not a Figo or Bechkam fan. I like Figo and i think he has give a lot to the club, but i am just saying that now is better to have Bechkamm in his place for many reaasons:
Bechkam is performing better than figo at the moment. I tried to explain before why.
Also Bechkam is completely out of position as a CM. If you want to keep Figo that's your opinion, but i think that only one of them should play unless you put figo on the left. And this is not based just on last night's match but in the recent matches when i have seen Bechkam performing very well in the right flank
But since a few games ago, Becks was playing on the right and Figo on the left, I don't see what's the problem now.....

[RonaldoD08]

But since a few games ago, Becks was playing on the right and Figo on the left, I don't see what's the problem now.....

Zidane can play on the left too and putting Figo in the center would make him pass more as he won't be able to dribble that much there...

[Leon of Silvren]

I don't think a championship is decided by goal difference...
Indeed it isn't, if we end tied in points, Barca will be the champs because the first match was 0-3 and then 4-2, global score: 4-5

[Leon of Silvren]

Zidane can play on the left too and putting Figo in the center would make him pass more as he won't be able to dribble that much there...
I don't think so....Zidane's best spot is on the center, and Figo likes to dribble, and he's good at it.

[RonaldoD08]

Indeed it isn't, if we end tied in points, Barca will be the champs because the first match was 0-3 and then 4-2, global score: 4-5

You mean indeed it is or it is not. Barca will be the champs if we tie with points? There should be an extra-match according to me...

If this is true though let's hope Getafe will do something this week. A tie would be enough...

[Leon of Silvren]

Well it would be great if there would be a re-match, but unfortunately there isn't....Barca will win the trophy if we tie in points.

[RonaldoD08]

Well it would be great if there would be a re-match, but unfortunately there isn't....Barca will win the trophy if we tie in points.

I feared that...

Has it ever happened though?

[Leon of Silvren]

Not that I remember....

[Rickster]

i like figo but he falls down alot like dives and then he doesnt run back as much not as hardworking

[Lance Knight]

yea baby we won, great game, well so i heard, i missed it, i cant believe i missed it, WHHYYYY.

[RealMadrilismo]

Barcelona wont have eto'o since he will be out of 10 days so i think getafe will have a good chance to beat barca (getafe are a good team they beat real and they said they will return the favor lol) and real will defenatly beat levante taking the gap to 3 pts :cool:

[btha]

i must admit that i'm not very optimistic about us leveling with barca(remember, we need 7 points on them, not 6, cause if we tie on points they win), but it's not impossible. If anyone thinks it's impossible, do a rewind to the last season where real lost 5 of the last games in a row and dipped from 1st place to 4th place.

[ForcaMadrid]

I hope you are right, but this year is a bit different from last year.

First, Barcelona is still in a good form, not as good as in beginning, but still.
Second, I am not sure yet whether REAL will win all remaining games. You remember the games against Juve in Madrid. Real played a superb game and everybody thought they are back, but the didn't. If REAL playes superbly, not only wins, the next game then i will be convinced that they will win all remaining games.

[Lance Knight]

well then maybe barca can dip that 5 games instead this time

[hezri]

Second goal by Ronaldo is a master piece .

[RonaldoD08]

Second goal by Ronaldo is a master piece .

Simply phenomenal...made by EL PHENOMENO...:D


We must all agree to bow down to such a soccer expert as RONALDO


El Phenomeno showed everyone why he has been elected for three times the FIFA player of the year


El Phenomeno single handedly wins the game for Real and puts pressure on his compatriot

...and the other Ronaldo is damn good too...damn it...Ronaldinho should be playing for us man...:mad2:

[RealMadrilismo]

2 goals by Ronaldo today showed us all that he still has the skill. Raul was unlucky not to get in that shoot he flicked over the goal keeper which hit the post.

But the best player of the match was Casillas he made a couple of awesome saves and let no goal in. It was amazing. If it wasnt for Casillas i think we would of been looking at a tie game.

[RonaldoD08]

2 goals by Ronaldo today showed us all that he still has the skill. Raul was unlucky not to get in that shoot he flicked over the goal keeper which hit the post.

But the best player of the match was Casillas he made a couple of awesome saves and let no goal in. It was amazing. If it wasnt for Casillas i think we would of been looking at a tie game.

Casillas and Ronaldo both share the 3 points today. If it wasn't for one of them we would be looking at a 0-0 or 2-2 tie game...

Beckham helped a little bit too, but nothing impressive from the rest...
They didn't play like they played against Barca and I think that, that's the way they have to play.

[RealMadrilismo]

Casillas and Ronaldo both share the 3 points today. If it wasn't for one of them we would be looking at a 0-0 or 2-2 tie game...

Beckham helped a little bit too, but nothing impressive from the rest...

im sorry to tell you but casillas did more then 2 awesome saves

[RonaldoD08]

im sorry to tell you but casillas did more then 2 awesome saves

Why are you sorry to tell me? You are not happy about his saves? :confused:

[RealMadrilismo]

Why are you sorry to tell me? You are not happy about his saves? :confused:

what? im saying that casillas played a better game then anyone in my opinion. Ronaldo did good too but casillas was the man of the match.

so im saying im sorry to tell you that ronaldo wasnt man of the match casillas was. He did much more for the team. And ronaldo's first goal was all Salgados work.

[RonaldoD08]

what? im saying that casillas played a better game then anyone in my opinion. Ronaldo did good too but casillas was the man of the match.

Then why did you say "I am sorry to tell you..."

Why are you saying I am sorry?

[RealMadrilismo]

so im saying im sorry to tell you that ronaldo wasnt man of the match casillas was. He did much more for the team. And ronaldo's first goal was all Salgados work.

do i gotta say it again? where are you from man? angola?

Ronaldo scored the goals but nothing casillas did so much more. Both dont share the 3 points as you say.

[RonaldoD08]

so im saying im sorry to tell you that ronaldo wasnt man of the match casillas was. He did much more for the team. And ronaldo's first goal was all Salgados work.

do i gotta say it again? where are you from man? angola?

I still don't get it why you say you are sorry? What's there to be sorry about...:confused:

[RealMadrilismo]

I still don't get it why you say you are sorry? What's there to be sorry about...:confused:

dude you a ***king dumb ass im saying its a figure of speach dumb ass

do you know what figure of speach is?

if you dont im sorry i not going to teach you how to speak english

[RonaldoD08]

dude you a ***king dumb ass im saying its a figure of speach dumb ass

Wow, I am happy to see that you have been doing your homework because last time I checked you didn't know what figures of speach are. Didn't you just get over a problem related to figures of speach? I assumed that you didn't know what figures of speach are yet so I was pretty sue you had a reason to say "I am sorry" and I still think you had a reason to say that, but now you either forgot it or are afraid to say it...:silly:

[RealMadrilismo]

Wow, I am happy to see that you have been doing your homework because last time I checked you didn't know what figures of speach are. Didn't you just get over a problem related to figures of speach? I assumed that you didn't know what figures of speach are yet so I was pretty sue you had a reason to say "I am sorry" and I still think you had a reason to say that, but now you either forgot it or are afraid to say it...:silly:

I didn't know what figure of speach was? WTF? dude you make no sense what are you talking about?

You are the most ANNOYING person i ever talked to in any forum in my life.

[RonaldoD08]

dude you a ***king dumb ass im saying its a figure of speach dumb ass

do you know what figure of speach is?

if you dont im sorry i not going to teach you how to speak english

BTW, didn't I tell you last time to watch your language? You really seem to have some problems buddy and I don't really give a damn about your figures of speach, which should be "figures of speech". If you are not able to post more than two posts in a row without insulting someone then get the hell out of here!

[RealMadrilismo]

BTW, didn't I tell you last time to watch your language? You really seem to have some problems buddy and I don't really give a damn about your figures of speach, which should be "figures of speech". If you are not able to post more than two posts in a row without insulting someone then get the hell out of here!

dude you the only one thats pissing me off why dont you leave me the hell alone and stop being so annoying. you sound like a 3 year old that loves to CONFUSE people.

You know what im not going to type another word to you, you got to the point where you just plain ANNOYING!

good bye man hope you aren't the same with other people.

[RonaldoD08]

dude you the only one thats pissing me off why dont you leave me the hell alone and stop being so annoying. you sound like a 3 year old that loves to CONFUSE people.

You know what im not going to type another word to you, you got to the point where you just plain ANNOYING!

good bye man hope you aren't the same with other people.

We you seem to have this behavior problem with others too, but I am the only one who won't reply to you with the same stupidity.
Now one more time. If you find it hard to post like a normal person you better not post at all. Thank you for your understanding and I hope not to see you again around here if all you gonna do is try to pick up fights with the first person that replies to your posts.

[RealMadrilismo]

We you seem to have this behavior problem with others too, but I am the only one who won't reply to you with the same stupidity.
Now one more time. If you find it hard to post like a normal person you better not post at all. Thank you for your understanding and I hope not to see you again around here if all you gonna do is try to pick up fights with the first person that replies to your posts.

only had a problem with snakies and you so you are WRONG right there. But why am i typing anymore? omg ok im out.

[RonaldoD08]

only had a problem with snakies and you so you are WRONG right there. But why am i typing anymore? omg ok im out.

Well that's pretty good for a trouble maker. You managed to get into trouble with a moderator and a senior member without any logical reasons with only 60 posts. I wonder what you will do when you reach 1000 posts...:rolleyes:

Anyway, I hope you get the message in a friendly way and stop by yourself. I am pretty sure you are smart enough to understand what you are doing wrong and you can fix it. If you prefer not to fix your behavior then you might want to think about that twice.

Thank you for your understanding. I hope you will consider the fact that there will be people around here who will contradict what you write in your posts and yet that won't give you the right to insult them. If you manage to work on this problem you will be fine until your 1000th post....:thumbsup:

[RealMadrilismo]

Well that's pretty good for a trouble maker. You managed to get into trouble with a moderator and a senior member without any logical reasons with only 60 posts. I wonder what you will do when you reach 1000 posts...:rolleyes:

Anyway, I hope you get the message in a friendly way and stop by yourself. I am pretty sure you are smart enough to understand what you are doing wrong and you can fix it. If you prefer not to fix your behavior then you might want to think about that twice.

Thank you for your understanding. I hope you will consider the fact that there will be people around here who will contradict what you write in your posts and yet that won't give you the right to insult them. If you manage to work on this problem you will be fine until your 1000th post....:thumbsup:

dude you are ***king pathetic you just dont stop. LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!!! ***K YOU GO ***K YOUR MOM STFU!!!

YOU ARE WRONG YOU JUST DONT WANNA ADMIT IT LEAVE ME ALONE ***K YOU.

I got a friend over here who read what you are writng and he laughing his ass off cuz you just dont stop. He told me to show you this pic.

http://img93.echo.cx/img93/5919/stfu8zs.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

im one step to leaving this forum and never posting here again.

you are ANNOYING and CONFUSING

my chinese friend gonna ***k you up if you dont LEAVE ME ALONE!

[ForcaMadrid]

why don't you guys take your fight to yourselves and just PM each other. We don't want to read your fights. It is making this forum very boring.

[ForcaMadrid]

About the match. ronaldo once again played superbly. Not only he scored but he ran all over the pitch and gave it all. I think we got the old ronaldo back. Casilla once again saved us from some almost certain goals.
Midfield was very weak. It just showed how much we need Gravesen.
Zidane disappointed me. I am loosing faith on him. I don't believe anmore we can get ZZ back We need to think for a replacement for him.

[Boko]

About the match. ronaldo once again played superbly. Not only he scored but he ran all over the pitch and gave it all. I think we got the old ronaldo back. Casilla once again saved us from some almost certain goals.
Midfield was very weak. It just showed how much we need Gravesen.
Zidane disappointed me. I am loosing faith on him. I don't believe anmore we can get ZZ back We need to think for a replacement for him.
IMO pretty same :P
But i think Casillas really was MOM according to Ronaldo he has really bad first 20-30 mins but after that he was awesome. In the second half when he did this run between 3-4 defs I felt like watching him in his prime :) Really active in midfield but it was still Casillas that give us some solid performance in the back and calmness for the attack which 2nd goal was brilliant Ronaldo's solo, he showed he can run when he want to :) At all the team was really apathy and only two players ware performing good ( i already told who) owen, backs and raul had some good moments but generally played bad. Gravesen was missing and Borja IMO was unable to replace him, Pavon couldn't make really big mistake but we were playing Levante so this is not really in his advantage :( So generally if we play like this in the rest games we would not deserve to win the League :( :(

[hezri]

What do expect Zidne to do when those players are palying poorly . But who is that guy who run like a cheetah . What the name ? Ettien or something . Our players are too slow to catch up with 2 or 3 of their pacey players .

[MADRIDCF8]

i think the guy ur talking about is essien for lyon.
about the speed of our team i agree were really slow not only in the midfield. however if we get robinho and or jaoquin are speed will improve also. i think one of those two and essien, mascherano or mavuba in the offseason well help. as for this year zidane i dont think should start every game maybe 4 of the remaining games. meaning some of those games (or all) we can play a 4-3-3

[Lance Knight]

remember figo use to have alot of speed that he lost, and he is still damn fast

[ForcaMadrid]

when you are talking about fast game it is not all about how fast the players can run but rather how fast you run the ball. Unfortunately REAL is as not as fast as before. I don't know wh but it takes longer now for Real to come from defense to attack

[r0naldo4life]

ronaldo has enough speed.. he gave us a nice sample against levante when he used his speed 2 score the 2nd goal..
carlos is crazily fast.. he gave us a nice sample agains barca when he ran past xavi to cross for raul for our 3rd goal..
owen is quite fast.. not lacking anything in my opinion except some more chances..
beckham is surprisingly fast.. never knew he was.. he played an enormous game against barca and showed his speed and skill..
figo lost bit of his speed and so has zz ...
well.. all we were missing agsainst levante was Gravesen who if was present would increased our goals by double atleast.. he brings in some speed 2 the team ive noticed and also Guti and solari should become regular starters instead of figo and zidane..
anyway! that what i think.. :ronaldo:

[ForcaMadrid]

Agreed. I also agree that at the moment Fiog and ZZ are maybe the ones who delay our game.

[Boko]

Hey, we are playing Villarreal today and I haven't seen a single word from you gyus. Where you've gone?
Anyway we'll be without Gravessen and Helguera (may be on the bench) for second game in a row so looks like Luxemburgo will pick the same starting 11 as he did against Levante, so Figo will have to reconcile he's not starting again.
IMO Pavon can handle the job against Villarreal (Forlan will be a real threat) but Borja did't played as well against Levante so Guti must replace him in CM and stop Riquellme (who I see as heart of the opposition team ) from doing his passes and dribbles. Gravy will be the main lack, but is that because he refuse to take medicines?
So my prediction is nothing less than win for Real and pressure for Barca :)

[r0naldo4life]

well i hope they win..
its going 2 be quite a hard game.. maybe just as hard as barca..
grave's absence will be very costly.. and i hope borja can do the job ..
anyway!
good luck madrid!! 8 hours 2 the kickoff :)

[RonaldoD08]

ANNOUNCEMENT!!!

From now on, anyone who will ever doubt RONALDO and/or ZIDANE will be banned without a warning....:silly:

Man these guys are awesome and only Pele and Maradona could be compared to this pair of football players.

Now for the others:

Pavon just proved himself to be the worst human being to have ever kicked that round thing called football.
Borja simply failed ineverything.
Owen does not even know what first touch means.
Raul should have been a track star not a football players because all he does is run...

I hope the referee was paid well enough for the crappy decisions he has been making. He just sent Samuel off. Damn him.

BTW Ronaldo just earned a penalty which was not called and then gave an assist to Salgado. MAN RONALDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO is back......

[RonaldoD08]

E Vai Bellaaaa!!!!!

Ale, Ale, Ale, Ale, Aleeeeeeeeeeee, Aleeeeeeeeeeee

[RonaldoD08]

Luxa just sub Ronaldo for Helguerra....what the hell is he thinking? Did he hit his head somewhere or what....:confused:

He should had taken out Raul if he wanted a more defensive team...what a dumbass...I hope we don't loose because of his narcotic decisions...

[RonaldoD08]

What the hell is wrong with that sone of a bitch of a refereee.
Not only he called a penalty on us and didn't call two penalties for us but he sent out Samuel and Zidane for nothing. What the hell is going on in Spain right now...this referee problem should be aknowledged...

[btha]

why the hell does he pick borja over celades.. borja is bad imo..
this victory was costly. next game we will have samuel, salgado and zidane banned.. zidane and samuel possibly longer than 1 match

hopefully gravesen and helgera will be fit next match tho.

I'm scared of having raul bravo AND pavon on at the same time. Having borja as dmc will make it even worse.
I don't even want to think of what lineup we'd have if gravesen and helgera won't be fit rofl
if that happens we might as well play 2-4-4 instead of 4-4-2

now malaga just needs to wreck barca.. i know they can. question is, will they.

ps, that ref was awfull