CL Stage 1 Group A: Arsenal, Borrusia, PSV, Auxerre [Archive]

09-08-2002, 02:29 PM

I believe Auxerre are the best team in France. Dortmund are a strong side - Amoruso, Rosicky, Ewerton are all dangerous (hopefully our defence is used to dealing with the sort of threat Koller presents) and in Metzelder and Kehl are quality young defenders. PSV have two players we wanted to buy in Hofland and Van Bommel and one of the most naturally gifted young strikers in the world Mateja Kezman but I am still more scared of Auxerre. Guy Roux (longest serving coach in Europe?) is a genius at bringing through young players and this crop is his best yet. The two forwards Djibril Cisse and Kapo have both been recently capped for France and Kalilou Fadiga was one of Senegal's stars of the World Cup. Their centre back partnership of Boumsong (recently promoted to the French senior side) and Mexes (who can't be far behind, he impressed in the Euro U21 championships) is World class, no exaggeration. Auxerre need a good start to their CL campaign and the faith of their board to retain all of these players through the January transfer window.
I would love Arsenal to buy every Auxerre player I've mentioned but if I could only choose one it would be Mexes - Man U have been trailing him for 4 years (Ferguson and Cantona send him and his family gifts every Christmas) but he has said he would love to play for Arsenal - a real quality ball-playing positionally perfect centre back in the Baresi mold.

INTER FAN/BG/

09-14-2002, 07:34 AM

I agree that Auxerre can surprise the other teams!

soccer fanatic

09-18-2002, 12:00 AM

I only saw a around 40 minute summary of the match, but Auxerre were a bit disappointing. Expected more,, Lyon impressed me a lot more. PSV should have won. Arsenal should have no trouble.
I have no idea if Auxerre are currently in form. That could make a difference I guess.

In a small summary I saw Arsenal looked unbelievable. Borussia Dortmund didn`t look to be in good shape though. Still highly impressive of Arsenal. Good thing for Arsenal Ljungberg is back. Good thing for Bergkamp too.

Roberto Abrego

09-19-2002, 02:48 AM

Auxerre had some good chances in the game but that Mozambiquian player cant scored he miss some easy goals...I think the answer of this is he is not Djibrill Cisse!

but stilll Arsenal willl top the group easily
Ljungberg and Arsenal RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bodiroga Je Bog

09-22-2002, 07:44 PM

PSV all the wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

Juan

09-23-2002, 05:44 PM

Nice goal by Bergkamp. Who says he´s too old?

Roberto Abrego

09-23-2002, 10:49 PM

he is awesome

Freddie´s goal was also great"!

Robledo

09-25-2002, 11:44 PM

Arsenal totally DESTROYED PSV tonight ! Hugely impressive performance, and Gilberto Silva has offically scored the fastest ever champions league goal in history. UEFA have confirmed that he has beaten Del Piero's record by a few miliseconds!

Well done Arsenal !

Roberto Abrego

09-26-2002, 12:01 AM

he scored the goal in 20.07 seconds

we totally destroyed PSV and finally win out of home!!!!

GERMANIC

09-26-2002, 12:06 AM

Thierry Henry revealed he was the target of racial abuse and missiles from PSV Eindhoven supporters during Arsenal's 4-0 win in Holland.

Referee Lubos Michel was seen collecting missiles from the pitch which were apparently aimed at Henry as he prepared to take a corner.

PSV Eindhoven are now likely to face a Uefa investigation into the incidents as European football's governing body tries to come to terms with the problem.

It's up to Uefa to react and we have full confidence in them to do that.

Liverpool's Emile Heskey was subjected to racial abuse during his team's Champions League match at Valencia last Tuesday.

And Fulham duo Rufus Brevett and Steve Marlet experienced similar problems during their team's recent Uefa Cup tie against Hadjuk Split.

"They were throwing coins, lighters and other stuff at me," said Henry, who scored twice in his team's victory.

"I don't know if you heard what they were saying or saw what they were doing. It was offensive so I shall just leave it at that.

"I don't want to talk about it because I just want to talk about football - but it's a bit of a shame. I have two ears but you did not see me shout back.

"The referee was doing his business, I was just waiting to take the corners. If Uefa do their business, they will do their business."

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger also feels Uefa must take action.

"It was terrible and should be banned. I think Uefa will react," said the Gunners boss.

"We did not feel under threat but in every crowd there are always some crazy people.

"It's up to Uefa to react and we have full confidence in them to do that."

Roberto Abrego

09-26-2002, 12:09 AM

Its a shame to her this

those fans need to be punish!

GERMANIC

09-26-2002, 10:51 PM

09/24/2002. PSV Eindhoven boss Guus Hiddink has revealed that he has received death threats since returning to Holland after his exploits at the World Cup with South Korea.

The former Dutch coach received an anonymous letter containing two bullets, forcing him to briefly contemplate quitting the game.

He told the Evening Standard: "The message was along the lines of, if you have the same success in the league with PSV as you did with Korea, we'll kill you with one bullet. Or if you succeed in the Champions League, we'll kill you with the other.

"Maybe it wasn't a serious threat but it was serious to me. It was a shocking time and, speaking from my heart, I was thinking of retiring and going to live in Madrid.

"For two weeks after those awful threats, it was all I could think of.

"It may have been just a few lunatics spoiling everyone's fun. I told myself 'let your emotions die down and see how you feel in 10 days'.

"If I had found I didn't care any more, I was going to quit but there was another motivating force to go on. It was that I mustn't be defeated by those idiots."

soccer fanatic

09-26-2002, 11:09 PM

I read it a while ago here, the scariest thing is it doesn`t really surprise me.

He isn`t the first (coach) in Holland to receive a death threat, what the hell is going on here?

Red Devil

10-02-2002, 08:59 PM

Arsenal won, PSV lost. I am dissapointed with the performance of PSV.

Red Devil

Roberto Abrego

10-03-2002, 02:58 AM

me 2 Arsenal and Dortmund beat PSV at the Phillips Stadium like if it was their home.....they r playing really bad....

INTER FAN/BG/

10-04-2002, 09:47 PM

PSV has no chance to qualify for the next round in that group!

soccer fanatic

10-04-2002, 10:17 PM

i saw the entire match between PSV and Arsenal, PSV got a lot of chances in the first half, they should have taken the lead with 2-1 or 3-1. Kezman really screwed up some great chances. In the second half PSV tried to get back with a lot of space as a result. They did generate some pressure but couldn`t create any real chances. If the oppsition has Henry and you give a way a lot of space, then you are quite simple screwed. It`s funny that the Dutch team with the biggest mouth concerning their expectations in Europe are virtually the first one out. I know their is a theoretical chance, but ofcourse they won`t become first or second.

INTER FAN/BG/

10-11-2002, 06:44 PM

Of course they won't!

Red Devil

10-30-2002, 10:01 PM

Fourth 1:2 loss for Arsenal in a row. Nice win for PSV. Arsenal and PSV are going through.

Red Devil

soccer fanatic

10-30-2002, 10:52 PM

You mean ofcourse Arsenal and Bor. Dortmund go through. Highest possibility for PSV is third place and UEFA CUP qualification.

Red Devil

10-31-2002, 06:13 AM

That's right. My mistake.

Red Devil

pyod0004

01-01-2003, 07:48 PM

I seriously doubt that Arsenal will go to the top in the CL.

01-02-2003, 10:26 AM

but at least we r still in it!

johnnygman

01-30-2003, 01:49 PM

Still in it and looking like potential champions i might add, destroyed Roma away and shouldve beaten Valencia at home something the Pool couldn't manage in two attempts!

01-30-2003, 07:47 PM

hope we have qualified b4 we go2 the Mestalla!

Drummer

02-19-2003, 06:00 PM

Still in it and looking like potential champions i might add, destroyed Roma away and shouldve beaten Valencia at home something the Pool couldn't manage in two attempts!
Should of beaten Valencia??!!!:confused:
Did you see that game??? Valencia were even better with 10 men!!! God, some of you guys really dont have a clue!!!
hope we have qualified b4 we go2 the Mestalla!
No unfortunately for you, the most amazing english team ever couldnt even dispose of an ajax team lighter of 8 players, several of whom would of been starters!!! European teams are sh*tting it now!!

Drummer

02-19-2003, 06:01 PM

Do you know what that game lacked, was a sitter of a miss like Giggs and a deflected free kick. Then arsenal would of won been able to take control of the game and won!!!!:D ;)

02-20-2003, 05:23 PM

and Juve where missing...
thuram - pos best defender in the world
buffon - best keeper in the CL
brindelli - scored best goal so far in CL
Del Piero - Juve's most important player
Di Vaio - hugely expensive natural replacement for Del Piero
apparently Zenoni played even though very ill

but you can only play what's in front of u
and ManYoo did better than us
Becks was very good for both goals and Juve never really looked like breaking United down late consolation aside

I hoped we would play a lot better than we did
though I don't want to under-rate a surpisingly (they all looked about 15!!) impressive Ajax team
imo de jong + peinaar could end up household names
I was very disappointed by our performance but all credit to Ajax who worked from front to back and passed the ball and found space in midfield as well as any team we've played this season

ironically it was the players suposedly on top form who most disapointed
Cole's error on the goal was a hangover from the weekend
Becks virtually always stops the ball when he controls it
Ashley used that at OT - why just make a tackle when u can make a big one? he stepped off and then tanked Beckham several times who eventually hobbled off.
Thought he was going to do the same thing to De Jong who took Cole out of the game with a positive direct first touch, excellent technique but Cole allowed himself to be stood up and left on his heels, De Jong was inside the area before Cole could react.
Cole was actually quite poor in general - especially going forward (just shoot with your right and they'll stop showing you inside!!).
DB played well first half but seemed to fade in the second
Vieira after his ledge performance at the weekend passed the ball innacurately and struggled to impose himself.
Henry seemed to be trying to hard
attempting the amazing when maybe the simple was a better idea
but its hard to criticise, another day a ridiculous overhead kick from the edge of the area will probably fly in.

Ajax tired after an hour of solid running and their level dropped as well
as the match went on imo ajax's became happier with a draw and struggled to move the ball forward
we were given teh ball cheaply more and more as the match progressed and we failed to take advantage of their inexperience
the youngsters may well have deserved the draw but a more clinical cynical team (like ManYoo) would have picked them off as they faded late on.
Sol actually was prob the only player who played well both v ManYoo AND Ajax.
SuperBobby is probably scoring more goals per game than he was last season BUT still hasn't regained the sort of form that saw him running games last season.

we have had a lull in form and now have a third consecutive weekend away up north
(looked where we've been in the last few weeks Anfield, St James, Old Trafford!) so tough game away to ManCity with a VITAL game at the AmsterdamArena.
I suspect Wenger would take a draw at maine rd if we can beat Ajax away

Drummer

02-21-2003, 01:47 PM

you are a better fan to talk to when Arsenal dont win then when they do. Humble and honest and i commend that.....
I wasnt impressed with uniteds win over Juve. united were laxy-daisy and looked like a team that knew it was playing half the juve team!!!
Again, i have said it b4, Arsenal are over-confident. Back-heels and bicycle kicks are great when you are 2 goals up, but not when you need to grind out a win. Winning is everything, exciting football comes 2nd. i know you might disagree, but wouldnt you of taken a deflected shot against ajax!;)
Arsenal should of learnt from the newcastle and Liverpool games. Controlling a match doesnt necessarily guarantee victory. A slice of luck got them the 1st goal against united and they walked the rest of the match without ever really creating much. its not a criticism, more an observation. United didnt control the match, but like you said they were more clinical and created more chances. Recently they havent been controlling matches as much and have been relying on good defending and effective finishing to get them through. As I have said they are better equiped for euro football. What is working in the CL isnt working in england.

02-21-2003, 02:08 PM

i'm sure Fergie has change united style over the years in ther CL for precisely the reasons u r giving. Slightly moderating ManYoo's all out attacking style is aimed to prevent the disapointments of losing to Dortmunad and leverkusen (2teams u could have finished off on chances) but imo if u look at the games where Real outclassed u manyoo weren't attacking ENOUGH. In '99 u swarmed people and the interplay of your2 strikers was as much a weapon as the penetrative qualities of Giggs and Beckhams crossing and long passing. The strike force of Yorky and cole was a distinct and dangerous entity on its own - RVN has yet to strike up a similar partnership. I would giv RVN + OGS a run together but Fergie is now insistent on this 4-5-1 in europe. it's almost a reaction to his critics - this 451 and veron are the two choices of Fergies most loudly decried in the press for the last few years - BECAUSE of this fergie will persist.
manYoo may get further than Arsenal but I think the team that eventually wins the title will have to believe they are the best and impose their game on the opposition (which manYoo where very succesful at in '99) I think ManYoo are to reactive at the moment in europe.
We weren't anywhere near our best v ajax (or really against any1 second group stage Roma was all Henry) but this distinction u draw between CL and Prem isn't necassarily right. in '99 u played the same all out hightempo 4-4-2 in all comps. I want Arsenal to try and play possession based passing football that really gives our players the opportunity to show how good they are as individuals. We are very dangerous on the break so obviously early goals can be key (one of the reasons for my continual whining on about setpieces and the need for a scrappygoal merchant who will finish in the 6yard box). But there are so many goals in this arsenal team that I believe we can fire our way to success on multiple fronts and concentrate on playing attacking football.

soccer fanatic

02-21-2003, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by JD

We weren't anywhere near our best v ajax (or really against any1 second group stage Roma was all Henry)

We weren`t either with a better excuse, we missed a couple of vital players, we couldn`t even really replace Zlatan Ibrahimovic, he was our only injury free central striker, and we missed our director(s) on midfield in VDV and Litmanen.

O`Brien, Sikora, Heitinga and perhaps Stekelenburg (Is he injured?) were also not available, but I won`t complain about that.

Just remember Arsenal had with the exception of Ljungberg a full fit squad, the fact Arsenal couldn`t beat us is because we aint an EPL team, we can switch tactics and play a different game, we just have a good side, part of playing well is making sure the other side can`t play well, that is what we did.

Good luck in the sold out "Amsterdam Arena".
I`m still an Arsenal fan though, although Bergkamp for the first time in my life annoyed me.

Drummer

02-21-2003, 02:24 PM

For once i think that I am in total agreement with you JD about all!!:D
i dont know why Fergie persists with 4-5-1!!! Ruud is alienated and wasted!!
As for arsenal, well it is hard to get used to not being the top team in england, but all the more frustrating cause it appears that united have the resources to mount a better challange to arsenal. Uniteds team or players look tired or something, as if they could do with a new challange, somewhere else perhaps. Its the exact same midfield they had 5 years ago, but for one extra place added!!!
Whatever I say, i do agree that generally arsenal are good to watch and know what you are saying. I think that arsenal need to accept that winning the CL takes a more consistant level of performance, even if it means changing tactics every match. United won in 99 as you said with the same tactics, but again like you said, they were way ahead of everybody and sure they had more experience in europe then anybody and could afford to experiment (trial and error) until they got it right. i remember those dortmund games, nicky Butt was uniteds best player over the 2 legs and united were beaten by two goals scored against the run of play and didnt take their chances.
Arsenal probobley wont win the CL, but a quarte ior semi is a definate possibilty and would be great experience (semi) for them, like the experience united gained over their many qurter finals.
The main reason united are doing well this year in the CL is because they just know how to win matches. That sounds weird, but arsenal were well capable of winning against Ajax but they didnt do enough. it wasnt only that they played porly but, the back flicks etc, is not good when you are drawing, I know it looks nice and is deadly when you win games with that, but teams in europe seldom do win games with that brand of football, particulalry when they are not playing great. Sometimes a team has to cut its loses and just grind out a win, like the vital win against Fulham. That was no oil painting of a match, but none the less was a bitter blow to united psychologically and meant more then the 3 points to the confidence of Arsenal

02-21-2003, 02:42 PM

well by the last few minutes we had three strikers and were simply
playing balls into the box against both Ajax and Fulham
I accept when time is running out you have to get the ball in the box and hope!
But the idea of all the flicks and tricks is to have a goal bbefire then.
As I've said on another day Henry's various failed spectacular attempts at showboating may turn into wondergoals and hes done it before so I'm loathe to criticise that. it was our failure to consistently keep the ball with simple passes that was more worrying, hopefully just a bad day at the office.

soccerfanatic I think your being a little hard on your boys admittedly you gave us the ball a lot in the last half hour (resulting in nothing) but I was still very impressed by the fearlessness of those young players in the first half - not many teams are anywhere near to dominating the centre of the park at Highbury!

soccer fanatic

02-21-2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by JD
soccerfanatic I think your being a little hard on your boys admittedly you gave us the ball a lot in the last half hour (resulting in nothing) but I was still very impressed by the fearlessness of those young players in the first half - not many teams are anywhere near to dominating the centre of the park at Highbury!

I think you misunderstood my post JD.

I`m not, I just know we can do much better, defence and midfield were good, but our attack was a tragedy, both zlatan and van der Meyde were nowhere near the players they can be, and we had no options too replace especially Zlatan. Boukhari isn`t a central striker. But I`m still proud and satisfied with their performance, but just don`t think this is our limit, because it definetly isn`t, also because we missed key players.

02-21-2003, 08:06 PM

oh of course
but would de jong and pienaar played so well (or at all) if litmanen or VDV or whoever was fit? better players doesn't always equate to better performance.
Obviously there is a lot more attacking potential to come from ajax but I believe there is EVEN more of a level that Arsenal can reach when the level of the first match is a starting point- I have to hope we can really play to our potential on wednesday or another euro adventure could be over early! I would support ajax if they did go through but it would be a serious underachievement when you consider the world reputation and status of the hyped arsenal team of international stars. The arsenal budget dwarfs ajaxs and wenger has had a long time to build the situation he wants at the club down to the last detail. we need to make progress - manyoo have been in the quarters for something like the last 6 or 7 seasons, an amazing record. If you can get to the knockout stages anything can happen (I never thought Leverkusen would get to the final when we where battering them at highbury!) and ManYoo put themselves in a position to win it every year - we have to match that.

soccer fanatic

02-21-2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by JD
but would de jong and pienaar played so well (or at all) if litmanen or VDV or whoever was fit? better players doesn't always equate to better performance.

That is true, but VDV in the match would have made them better, he fills up the lack of ability too score of midfield, vision and creativity and controll a match. A player as VDV always makes this Ajax better. Pienaar would have started, De Jong too, only on a different position.

Obviously there is a lot more attacking potential to come from ajax but I believe there is EVEN more of a level that Arsenal can reach when the level of the first match is a starting point- I have to hope we can really play to our potential on wednesday or another euro adventure could be over early!

Arsenal are without a doubt the better side if you look at players.
But are they also better in determination, team play, workrate and tactics?

I hope we will both go through, but ofcourse Ajax first. I`m atleast happy that the 3 teams with possibilities too go through are 3 teams who play great football, Valencia, Arsenal and Ajax. So football will win no matter who progresses.

I would support ajax if they did go through but it would be a serious underachievement when you consider the world reputation and status of the hyped arsenal team of international stars.

Reputation and being hyped aren`t per definition positive things or guarantees to get through. But it would be an underachievement and a loss in the QF, but so would losing Valencia be.

The arsenal budget dwarfs ajaxs and wenger has had a long time to build the situation he wants at the club down to the last detail. we need to make progress - manyoo have been in the quarters for something like the last 6 or 7 seasons, an amazing record. If you can get to the knockout stages anything can happen (I never thought Leverkusen would get to the final when we where battering them at highbury!) and ManYoo put themselves in a position to win it every year - we have to match that.

Having a bigger budget is a huge advantage, as well as playing in a league which attracts the top players, unlike the Dutch League, but it will only pay out if you get a squad which is full of determination too win things, I think that is Ajax biggest strenght, the will and hunger for succes is bigger than anywhere else.

I still see Arsenal as favourites too win the CL, but we (Ajax) won`t give it too us (Arsenal) for free. :)

I think some players of Arsneal should be made sharp again, like Henry, he can do anything and still only get cheers, makes a person arrogant, and he already is French... ... ...

Will be exciting, but if Arsenal wins it, no one could claim they had it easy and were lucky in the draw. :)

02-23-2003, 02:42 PM

true we have had to fight all the way
I wonder if Roma will start to play their reserves in this tournament if they lose again this week and guarantee their elimination? Roma don't want 2leave the second group stage pointless though - that would be very humiliating.
I'm leaving for Asterdam tuesday (nice little holiday) and can't wait for the match.
Ajax were very effective at pinning bacl our fullbacks at highbury but our movement was imo poor (lots of long straight runs - pace isn't EVERYTHING)
if Pires performs again as he did at Maine Road Ajax will see a very different Arsenal!
again I just hope I see a good game (any team news? does VDV or Litmanen have a chance of playing?)

soccer fanatic

02-23-2003, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by JD
true we have had to fight all the way
I wonder if Roma will start to play their reserves in this tournament if they lose again this week and guarantee their elimination?

Could be, but I think not, like you said, it would be a very shamefull happening and I can`t imagine Roma willing too cope with that, the will want too win their good name back, but even if they play too their possibilities, they just aren`t good enough as it seems. I`m kind of pissed on them on making our chances smaller for qualifying by letting in that stupid goal, what where they doing?

I'm leaving for Asterdam tuesday (nice little holiday) and can't wait for the match.
Ajax were very effective at pinning bacl our fullbacks at highbury but our movement was imo poor (lots of long straight runs - pace isn't EVERYTHING)

Especially since we know how too play against that, we had a bad match today against utrecht losing 1-0 in an away match, but we looked ok, and O`Brien was back on the bench, I don`t think VDV was, I suspect he played with the 2nd team too get match practice, I expect him too play, don`t know about O`Brien, if he does Van Damme will be out, I also hope Koeman will replace Lobont, he isn`t doing well and that could cost confidence in defence, which will be needed.

if Pires performs again as he did at Maine Road Ajax will see a very different Arsenal!

He won`t be defended the same as he was against City. :smoiking:
Will be a great match in a very good ambiance. :)

Have fun on your trip, hope you like that, and come home with a big smile and 0 points. :D:D

Drummer

02-27-2003, 08:49 AM

As usual, arsenal arent able to match their form in england against decent opposition against stronger european opposition.Lucky for them that Valencia got hammered by roma!1
Ajax set their stall out in the first half and gave arsenal too much respect. The "best team in the world" had trouble breaking ajax dowm and only created one decent goal chance and an end of half flash of brilliance from henry.
In the 2nd half Ajax went at arsenal a little more and were unlucky not to get a goal. Overall a draw was a fair result, but arsenal will have to take something away to Valencia if they have any hope of qualifying, not unattainable, seeing as Roma can hammer them there!!
Seaman: Didnt have too much to do
Cole was just moaning about frees given against him when he wasnt moaning about frees he didnt get for him.
Sol was a rock, a great display.
Keown was very shaky and his passing was awful.
Lauren was average, but exposed at times.
Viera was much better then last week.
Gilberto was good, but lost the ball a few times.
Pires wasnt as effective as he was against City!
Wiltord was average, but not effective at all.
Bergkamp wasnt in the game.
Henry showed moments of class but wasnt really given the chance to shine either by his own team or ajax.
Wenger moaned about Ajax not attacking, well why should they? they are a yound team, new to the art of playing in big games like this. Unlike Arsenalit seems that Ajax have the intelligence to know that patience is sometimes called for. If wenger knew this, then perhaps we would of seen arsenal in more then one quarter final up to now!!

The Rule

02-27-2003, 09:58 AM

I wonder what happened to the "free-flowing,total football" last night, oh that's right, Chivu marked Henry out of the game AGAIN last night and the rest of the Arsenal players had no clue what to do when they couldn't just give it to henry and stand back while he performed his one-man-show.

on a side note, has anyone ever seen a team that.......
A)dive as much
B)complain and try to bully the referee as much
C)waste as much time

as Arsenal??

soccer fanatic

02-27-2003, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by The Rule

on a side note, has anyone ever seen a team that.......
A)dive as much
B)complain and try to bully the referee as much
C)waste as much time
as Arsenal??

Borussia Dortmund.

The Rule

02-27-2003, 10:45 AM

Not even close

soccer fanatic

02-27-2003, 11:04 AM

Indeed, Borussia is far worse.

So who of Arsenal were you refering too?

I mean, I think the referee was doubtful and eager too whistle in Ajax` disadvantage, but I didn`t see diving on the side of Arsenal.

The Rule

02-27-2003, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Indeed, Borussia is far worse.

So who of Arsenal were you refering too?

I mean, I think the referee was doubtful and eager too whistle in Ajax` disadvantage, but I didn`t see diving on the side of Arsenal.

I wasn't talking about last nights game, i was speaking in general.Ashley Cole,Lauren,Wiltord,Gilberto,Pires,Henry and Jeffers are among the worst divers i've ever seen.

02-27-2003, 12:13 PM

rule
the only possible justification for that madness is that u, like me, r posting from an amstrdm coffeeshop
bore draw but as both teams realised at half time
hang on2 a draw and if both teams win their next home game
the two of them go through
perfect for me in Arsenal AND Ajax can qualify
lovin my holiday
l8rs
JD

The Rule

02-27-2003, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by JD
rule
the only possible justification for that madness is that u, like me, r posting from an amstrdm coffeeshop
bore draw but as both teams realised at half time
hang on2 a draw and if both teams win their next home game
the two of them go through
perfect for me in Arsenal AND Ajax can qualify
lovin my holiday
l8rs
JD

Madness??i think not DJ,surprised to see you here today,you normally only post when things go well and you hid when things go badly.the game was a bore draw cos Arsenal had no clue what to do without Henry being on form..If both teams win their next game they go through??eh no DJ, if Valencia win both their games, and i fully expect them to beat Arsenal, they go through.Imo Valencia and Ajax are in position to go through,Roma will have confidence going to Highbury, they'll have a full team as well.

IMO, The last rounds will have results as follows.

Arsenal-draw at home with Roma,lose away to Valencia
Ajax-Draw away with Roma, draw at home with Valencia
Valencia-Win at home to Arsenal, draw away with Ajax(that's all they'll need)
Roma-two draws.

table will read
Valencia - 9 points
Ajax - 8 points
Arsenal - 7 points
Roma - 5 points

Drummer

02-27-2003, 01:36 PM

What I cant understand JD is why a free-flowing attack minded arsenal would settle for a bore draw????
and Rule is right, arsenal boys are class at diving and dont bother bringing up Ruud, he doesnt dive , he falls, the way the arsenal players do it you can see the class and preperation they have put into it.

soccer fanatic

02-27-2003, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Drummer
What I cant understand JD is why a free-flowing attack minded arsenal would settle for a bore draw????
and Rule is right, arsenal boys are class at diving and dont bother bringing up Ruud, he doesnt dive , he falls, the way the arsenal players do it you can see the class and preperation they have put into it.

Ruud van Nistelrooij does dive, that is clear as can be.

Drummer

02-27-2003, 03:04 PM

Thats the best you can come up with??? Actually Ruud is inclined to fall over easily from time to time, but 1 out of 11 players isnt bad as opposed to half the arsenal team.
You see I can at least admit when a united player is prone to falling over easily, but as I said, he doesnt do it quite as professionally as the gunners boys do. I reckon that they have been on an olympic diving course and get a small electric shock to their body upon any contact from an opposing player..... That would at least explain why they always go down like they have been sniper shot, or why they are floored by the whiff of a close-by fart!!!:D ;)

soccer fanatic

02-27-2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Drummer
Thats the best you can come up with??? Actually Ruud is inclined to fall over easily from time to time, but 1 out of 11 players isnt bad as opposed to half the arsenal team.
You see I can at least admit when a united player is prone to falling over easily, but as I said, he doesnt do it quite as professionally as the gunners boys do. I reckon that they have been on an olympic diving course and get a small electric shock to their body upon any contact from an opposing player..... That would at least explain why they always go down like they have been sniper shot, or why they are floored by the whiff of a close-by fart!!!:D ;)

I will pay closer attention too divers of Man Utd in the future, I never looked at it with much interest, I was too busy warching the match.

You are very funny, but also very wrong.

Drummer

02-28-2003, 02:27 PM

Thats the thing about it. Most teams have a player that is prone to diving at some stage of a game, but arsenal have a talent of divers which is one reason why they are attacked so much. Also they are renowned moaners the lot of them. Petit was until he left, Viera has been known not to be happy with some treatment he feels has been unfair. Cole complains every match when he doesnt get his way or free etc. No pires is moaning about Denace "the floating arms" Bergkamp and saying taht the Fa go easy on united. He must of missed Roy Keane getting a huge ban for saying something they didnt like early this season. again his comments are a moan about being roughed up a bit. ruud got booked for a wild challange, not raising his arms or anything like that and Pires feels thats as bad as an elboe in a head (Re Keown and Dennis).
Its not a lie. i have probobley seen more arsenal games then you this season, so I think that fans of the EPL would be more qualified to judge a team in the EPL then a fans whos first love is in Holland!!!

soccer fanatic

02-28-2003, 03:47 PM

How much matches did you see of Arsenal this year?
And how much matches do you need too have seen too be able too make a judgement accurately?
I saw atleast well over atleast 10 matches this year of Arsenal, I consider that too be enough.

Drummer

03-01-2003, 02:33 PM

Well I can safely say that I have seen well over 20 games of arsenal this year. I watch them in the CL and league and of course see them in the domestic competitions. Sure they are live on sky nearly every week at the moment and are on TV for CL games.
10 games isnt enough to make a judgement of a club team over a season. You have obviously only seen games when Arsenal are comfortable in games, because you are convinced that they are a solid team all the time. Go knows why. They only moan when they needed the win etc. Moaner has instilled a moaning culture at arsenal. "Why do they pick on us" has been the old moan brigades usual rant after defeats for the last 4 years. only Arsenal won the league last year, we would of heard it more. They are just bad losers as much as some of their fans are bad winners.
They have gotten important decisions their way in important games, particulalry high-profile penalties that many felt were easily won, and I must highlight the word WON !
Hey, United have had to deal with this stigma that they never get a peno given against them at OT. Sure enough until last year that was true to a point, but in the last two years, united have had as many peno's as they have conceded. But that doesnt stop people go on about it when an incident happens at OT anymore!!! Arsenal will have to live with that moaning diving name until they start playing fair and thats that.

03-01-2003, 02:45 PM

hey drumski
if u can disregard soccerfans opinion becos u have seen more Arsenal games then I can disregard everyone on the sites!

oh and the reason I didn't post str8 aftr the Ajax games was becos - I WAS THERE! they kept us in for ages after the game
and I didn't have much time for posting as I was busy having fun.

As I said, if Arsenal AND Ajax win their next (home) games they r both through.

Don't moan about divers-
RVN dives more times in one game than ANY team in the leagues players monthly aggregate of dives. Pires is right it is simply inconcievable that ManYoo can have free rein to attempt career ending (or in Lauren's case family ending) fouls on every Arsenal player without any comeback from ref or video panel yet Dennins can be done at any time (SEVEN WEEKS LATER?!?!)

rule - diving, moaning - there is no team TOTALLY innocent of any of theses charges but time wasting.. when? why? who?
simply not true

as for -free-flowing etc etc, when are u going to give this up
WHEN ARSENAL PLAY WELL WE ARE AT LEAST AS ENTERTAINING AS ANY TEAM IN EUROPE.
When we don't, we don't, an individual flat performance isn't confirmation that we are now permanently rubbish or boring. It's a bad game
they come far more frequently for ManYoo and evry week for Liverpool

ManYoo have shown they can deal with the demands of european football as well as anyone this season, they have consistently given the best performances of any epl team -
always in the CL knockouts

but lets remember one thing - ManYoo love to claim their status of best English team 'in Europe' - and beating Juve 3-0 is exponantially better than draws with Ajax
but we are still in it
and if we play ManYoo, we'll knock them out - whatever competition we're talking about
so don't get overexcited

soccer fanatic

03-01-2003, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by Drummer

10 games isnt enough to make a judgement of a club team over a season. You have obviously only seen games when Arsenal are comfortable in games, because you are convinced that they are a solid team all the time. Go knows why.

I said well over 10 matches drumstick. :) And I don`t see how you think it is "obvious" I only saw Arsenal matches in which they were comfortable, since you know I sw both matches against Ajax. :)

Besides, I didn`t count all the matches I saw, I do know tomorrow I will watch Arsenal live again BTW, and also Man Utd will be shown live. I see live CL matches against Ajax and a lot of EPL matches on a Dutch channel, some FA Cup on BBC so I do get too see them in action. So don`t think for other people, first try too think for yourself.

They only moan when they needed the win etc. Moaner has instilled a moaning culture at arsenal. "Why do they pick on us" has been the old moan brigades usual rant after defeats for the last 4 years. only Arsenal won the league last year, we would of heard it more. They are just bad losers as much as some of their fans are bad winners.

Common, Ferguson is the inventor of moaning and since I know RVN for a long time I know he is a huge diver and especially moaner himself.

Well this is an opinion of a Man Utd fan over their biggest rival, so I can`t say it surprises me, I can`y either say I feel a need too go in too such things, would be pointless.

They have gotten important decisions their way in important games, particulalry high-profile penalties that many felt were easily won, and I must highlight the word WON !

Common I saw RVN get several PK which were more than incorrectly given, you know that too.

Arsenal will have to live with that moaning diving name until they start playing fair and thats that.

You are severely biased my friend.

Drummer

03-01-2003, 10:19 PM

if u can disregard soccerfans opinion becos u have seen more Arsenal games then I can disregard everyone on the sites!
Not really. you will find that people watching a match on tv will generally see more that happens during the match. So unless you watch all the matches live again afterwards then you will of missed many things. Slo-mo replays help us seee things that may of been missed during the match. Anyway, you are an arsenal fan and one who never admits anything wrong about them. Bergkamp and Keown never foul people, thats all anybody needs to hear out of you to know that you see or hear no evil from the gunners badboys.
Common, Ferguson is the inventor of moaning and since I know RVN for a long time I know he is a huge diver and especially moaner himself.
Maybe he invented it but Wenger has certainly taken up the baton. Fergeson doesnt publically give out about the Fa about friendlies a fraction as much Wenger. why did Pires drag united into this moan?? United didnt say anything. His beef is with the FA, so why did he have to bring united, particularly united into it, if the FA treats them differant to others?? I will tell you why, cause hes a nancy boy moaning tart with nothing better to do. Im sure he does the same to wenger when his naiol breaks. Kind of like how all refs are racist against Viera, or Petit or Arsenal. the list just goes on and on. under Grahem there wasnt any of this moaning crap. he just got on with things. Wenger has added elegence to arsenal, no doubt about that, but he has brought an annoyingly childish attitude to highbury and a bunch of spoiled sheltered brats as well.
The nearest to that at OT is Beckham the puff, going to the press with his scratch in protest to the gaffer.
Well this is an opinion of a Man Utd fan over their biggest rival, so I can`t say it surprises me, I can`y either say I feel a need too go in too such things, would be pointless.
Coming from a Supposed dutch supporter (r supporter of a dutch team) that agrees with everything a dillusional Arsenal fan says, doesnt really make your arguement any stronger, now does it??? Talk about the pot caling the kettle black.......
Common I saw RVN get several PK which were more than incorrectly given, you know that too.
Thats funny cause I dont remember too many penos united have gotten in the last 2 years. Also you will find that I already said that he goes down a little too easy for my liking. Yes a united fan that can admit something. Unlike other fans pointing out something I have already agreed with, I am just pointing another trend of arsenal. Where am I being biased? Sorry your arguement is a little thin....
(or in Lauren's case family ending)
you are not being serious!! Lauren ran into him for Fuk sake. How could he possibly get out of the way? I dont remember seeing Ruud crash into LAuren. Oh thats right, lauren crashed into ruud. He didnt move an inch. Dont even joke about that one. You say this like arsenal are full of angels. No United arent subtle unlike your dutch Maestro (Dennis) or english ballerina (keown) or olympic swimmers (Cole and pires).
I suppose this is all pointless as the both of you are either on something that can only legally be gotten in Amsterdam, or your writing from an aresnal spin doctors point of view.
united arent the cleanest or greatest team in the world, thats not a prblem for me to say. But you just keep trying to slander them instead of actually prooving me wrong. Thats what the funniest part is:D ;)

03-02-2003, 09:38 AM

the flying assault to the head by RVN on Lauren (a red card foul for ANY other team) was actually not what I thought would jepordise Ralph's family prospects - it was scholes clattering the ballin2 his cods from 6inches later in the game.

virtually evrything you say is some bizarre projection of manyoo's failings on2 who u see as your closest rivals (we simply know we r better than u)
diving, moaning I admit there we cannot rival u
Manyoo are the premier club at both

u ask why Pires moans and criticise Beckham
u simply don't understand the press
Becks didn't go moaning to the press
he didn't even say anything!! they just printed photo's of him with an alice band on showing the cut (like he wanted) Pires simply answered direct questions at a conference
all of these "X SLAMS Y!!" headlines are pretty innoffensive when u read the actual quotes rather than the journo's buildup.

At the moment u feel our players moan too much -
do u know why
u say feel we moan too much, what u really hate is that our players are in the papers too much.
we are now such big box office that any random comment of our players is headline worthy just like United
every moan, quibble, boast or prediction will be straight in
this has been the case with united for some time

what u really don't like is we are usurping your position as top club
top team in the epl, biggest sports news story, highest profile players
this has always been manYoo
all of this stuff about diving etc is just u lashing out as your beloved clubs status is stripped bit by bit by a superior (and more interesting) outfit

when we do retain the prem and rubberstamp our supremacy
when we are number1 and beyond any doubt the best for a sustained period
then other clubs will begin to get jealous
but at the moment fergie's managing to make us look good by making a comprehensive fool of himself and monopolising the press

ps leave this racism issue alone you clearly have little to no undestanding of what u r posting about. Vieira and Petit are different races (and Petit doesn't play for us!!).

Drummer

03-02-2003, 11:00 AM

Now I really do get it. You are less inytelligent then I gave you credit for.
Petit and Viera, the point I made on these is that when Petit played for arsenal he constatnly moaned that him and viera were being targeted by the refs. It is a racism claim, so why are you tellimng me to leave it alone? Its an example of the kind of pompus attitudes wenger has brought to Highbury. Why doesnt Henry, campbell, seaman, parlour come out and complain about arsenals treatment? Becuase they are good pro's that just get on with it. THe others are just moaning foreigners that cant take the repucutions of their actions.
Again all you say is waffle. I never said that united were better than arsenal, its you that keeps repeating this, again a sign of insecurity that you have to keep reassuring yourself. I have said many times that arsenal are a better team then united domestically, buit of course you still feel the need to jam it down our throats, which is totally weak.
The truth is that Arsenal are not the strongest champions the EPL has seen and united are 2 or 3 levels down then what they were 3 years ago. Sure Arsenal improved from a 6-1 hammering to champions in a season, while united remained as good!!! United lost 9 games, thats more then they lost in 2 seasons even when they were runners up. United have lost their hunger for the EPL, its sad but true. No team could be so bad in the premiership and go to the semis so impressively.
As I said B4, Keep dreaming.
:D

03-02-2003, 12:08 PM

we r all in the gutter
only some of us are looking at the stars

Drummer

03-03-2003, 09:05 AM

You are so lame....:D
Speak for yourself.....
Hey hows about you prooving me worng on anything, no thats not you style, your better off writing random points on nothing.....:D :silly:

The Rule

03-03-2003, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by JD
1.hey drumski
if u can disregard soccerfans opinion becos u have seen more Arsenal games then I can disregard everyone on the sites!

2.oh and the reason I didn't post str8 aftr the Ajax games was becos - I WAS THERE! they kept us in for ages after the game
and I didn't have much time for posting as I was busy having fun.

3.As I said, if Arsenal AND Ajax win their next (home) games they r both through.

4.Don't moan about divers-
RVN dives more times in one game than ANY team in the leagues players monthly aggregate of dives. Pires is right it is simply inconcievable that ManYoo can have free rein to attempt career ending (or in Lauren's case family ending) fouls on every Arsenal player without any comeback from ref or video panel yet Dennins can be done at any time (SEVEN WEEKS LATER?!?!)

5.rule - diving, moaning - there is no team TOTALLY innocent of any of theses charges but time wasting.. when? why? who?
simply not true

6.as for -free-flowing etc etc, when are u going to give this up
WHEN ARSENAL PLAY WELL WE ARE AT LEAST AS ENTERTAINING AS ANY TEAM IN EUROPE.
When we don't, we don't, an individual flat performance isn't confirmation that we are now permanently rubbish or boring. It's a bad game
they come far more frequently for ManYoo and evry week for Liverpool

7.ManYoo have shown they can deal with the demands of european football as well as anyone this season, they have consistently given the best performances of any epl team -
always in the CL knockouts

8.but lets remember one thing - ManYoo love to claim their status of best English team 'in Europe' - and beating Juve 3-0 is exponantially better than draws with Ajax
but we are still in it
and if we play ManYoo, we'll knock them out - whatever competition we're talking about
so don't get overexcited

1.I'd have my doubts having read your posts.
2.Really??They normally let the away fans out first.Seems strange they'd change it for the few librarians.
3.And as i said, ain't gonna happen.
4.All you have to do is look at the fact that over half the players who have been sent off against Arsenal in the last two years have had the sendings off over-turned.
5.Let's see, how about almost every game this season and last.For example, MARTIN Keown collapsing at Old Trafford like he'd been shot and then spending 2 minutes getting treatment to stop the game when United put a bit of pressure on.Sol Campbell did it at highbury against us.Arsenal players are always at it.And why does it take Seaman so long to take goal-kicks??TO WASTE TIME.very true .
6.Wrong again JD,when Henry plays well,Arsenal are entertaining.When he doesn't it's like watching Arsenal under Graham.Henry should have been sent off yesterdat by the way.
7.First valid point you've made in about 6 months.
8.If United play well they will beat you.United always beat you when they play well, and when it comes to CL quarters, they normally play very well

soccer fanatic

03-03-2003, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by The Rule

2.Really??They normally let the away fans out first.Seems strange they'd change it for the few librarians.

2 JD is right, that happens in Holland.

Drummer

03-03-2003, 11:20 AM

Finally, something that you can actually say that JD is right about, that cant be questioned. I dont know the answer, but i will take your word for it. Everything else is B*llsh*te. JD wouldnt know the truth if he was given a pass to truthville, made mayor of the place and was zapped with an honest gun.
The truth is that the only info Jd gets about soccer is from the Arsenal spin doctors socity for the boldly ignorant (for those that cant deal with reality).
Its just unfortunate that you have been drawn into this web of deceit. We arent saying that arsenal arent good or crap or anything of the sort.
What we say is that they arent as good as JD keeps ranting on about, Thats it. Arsenal are the EPL champions and more then likely will win it agaion and are the best english domestic team. But the way JD goes on you would think that they p[ut the fear of god into all that play them.
Also if we were to believe JD, perfomance means mostto him, unless we are talking about united in europe, in which case winning is most important. Contradicting views on what he sees as footballs most important trait(ie winning or playing well).
He admits united are in decline in england yet this signifies how much greater arsenal are then they were in 2000 why??? All it shows is that arsenal are just lucky tha united are in a downfall, otherwise they would be 2nd fiddle as usual.
Keep backing him up or just agreeing with him, the fact is that Im rigt on this one. Im not bitter towards arsenal, but towards people like JD that hide until their team do well and are all over this board when they win. As I said Only sing when they are winning brigade. The best fans to interact with, dont necessarily agree with one another, but are humble and gracious in victory as in defeat. JD is only on earth when Arsenal lose or draw, otherwise as far as hes concerned, they are greater then any team ever.... Im waiting for a stupid, inconsistant, contradictory and totally meaningless post from JD, its whats expected. You cant fault my opinions.....
Unlike Js I dont claim to be speaking the gospel according to football.
The season blackburn won the league wasnt exciting
Whereas I prefered to say that that season and arsenal winning the 89' League on the last day of the season, meant differant things to differant fans, both neutral and involved. Tell me who has the more biased opinion???
I could go on, but I think point is proven.

The Rule

03-03-2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
2 JD is right, that happens in Holland.

In matches sanctioned by the Dutch FA maybe, UEFA rules say that in the interest of safety away supporters are meant to leave first.

03-03-2003, 02:42 PM

if thats what uefa rules say they aren't applied anywhere I've been following arsenal (france, denmark, belgium, italy, spain, germany, cyprus) and we have been made to wait in all of those plaves after the match.
it seems strange thats these 'rules' don't actually apply anywhere

oh and arsenal beating liverpool in the last second of the '89 season
IS EMPIRICALLY MORE EXCITING
than a damp squib blackburn can't beat liverpool but manyoo can't beat westham end of season flop.
thats just obvious to anyone biased or not - (which point do you think you've proven?)

The Rule

03-03-2003, 03:12 PM

He is right, Arsenals lucky win at Anfield was the most exciting end to a season in english history.

That guideline was introduced last year seemingly, i only discovered it when we were being forced out of Leverkusens stadium as soon as the whistle went, and when i enquired about it i was told it was a UEFA law.

03-03-2003, 03:26 PM

the german will say anything to get you on the bus

The Rule

03-03-2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by JD
the german will say anything to get you on the bus

i don't travel on buses, i dislike the lack of space and conversation.Drunken scousers singing is not a nice sound.Still better than those soft London boys pissed on wine and acting the prick though

03-03-2003, 04:26 PM

? if u hate football fans so much y do u bother?
oh and I'm sorry have u EVER seen fans drinking wine before a match!?!?

The Rule

03-03-2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by JD
? if u hate football fans so much y do u bother?
oh and I'm sorry have u EVER seen fans drinking wine before a match!?!?

I was taking the piss.

and yes all those Man U boys have wine with the prawn sandwiches

03-03-2003, 04:43 PM

really ?!? manyoo fans winedrinking shocker, strange - must be a cockney red thing (lower level on the evolutionary chain trying to drag themselves up toward neanderthal man standard)
those leverkusen bods where trying to ship you out, there is no such regulation - you can download various pdf's off the uefa.com site with all uefa's rules/regulations

Drummer

03-03-2003, 05:02 PM

As I said Jd, you dont make points you state what is true. Dont be so stupid. To say that blackburns win was a damp squib was stupid. Liverpool and arsenal were involved in that game so you are bound to assume that. Kind of like arsenal are a great team. Keep at it, im sure there are many arsenal fans wout there that wouldnt disagree....:D

03-03-2003, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Drummer
As I said Jd, you dont make points you state what is true. Dont be so stupid. To say that blackburns win was a damp squib was stupid. Liverpool and arsenal were involved in that game so you are bound to assume that. Kind of like arsenal are a great team. Keep at it, im sure there are many arsenal fans wout there that wouldnt disagree....:D
errr it is true that pdf can be downloaded from the uefa site - I've done it myself.
Which blackburn win was a damp squib? beating city 1-0?

Drummer

03-03-2003, 05:54 PM

I wasnt talking about the uefa thing.
Never mind, you are obviously deluded to think that everybody agrees with all you say, Im not going to teach you the principles of freedom of opinion, because evidently, that doesnt exist in your house.

03-03-2003, 05:58 PM

well what r u on about? freedom to speak no sense by the sound of it?!?

Drummer

03-03-2003, 06:19 PM

That sounds like an old uncle joke, the one that pinches kids on the cheek....
Oh the shame.....

03-03-2003, 06:21 PM

and u sound incoherent and refuse to explain yourself
what did I say that you dispute the truth of?
who did blackburn beat?

Drummer

03-03-2003, 06:32 PM

I was talking about the blackburn title win. i just couldnt be bothered pasting in your comments....
than a damp squib blackburn can't beat liverpool but manyoo can't beat westham end of season flop.
Is that alright now?

03-03-2003, 06:47 PM

u don't believe the end of that season was more exciting
u r lying

The Rule

03-04-2003, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by JD
u don't believe the end of that season was more exciting
u r lying

shut up JD, you aren't one to accuse people of lying.

The build-up and the fact that both games where played at the same and i think the league leadership changed hands during the game(i could be wrong), made the Blackburn Championship win very exciting.Arsenal's lucky win at Anfield(it was lucky JD, we should have hammered you)was the most exciting end of a game in english history.

It depends on your point of view.I gaurentee if roles where reversed and we'd come to the Library and beaten you to win the league, you would dismiss that game as a "damp squib.

Drummer, as we have discussed,JD knows only about what happens with Arsenal, he has no clue about anything outside the library.He also refuses to acknowledge the accomplishments of other players from other clubs.

03-04-2003, 11:05 AM

??? u clearly agree with me
know yr fellow guinness guzzler is wrong
admit Anfield '89 "was the most exciting end of a game in english history"
yet try and criticise
o and manure had to win so the league leadership didn't change hands.

o btw u will never come and win the league at highbury because we refuse to go out like recently relegated northern bitches
ciao

The Rule

03-04-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by JD
??? u clearly agree with me
know yr fellow guinness guzzler is wrong
admit Anfield '89 "was the most exciting end of a game in english history"
yet try and criticise
o and manure had to win so the league leadership didn't change hands.

o btw u will never come and win the league at highbury because we refuse to go out like recently relegated northern bitches
ciao

recently relagated???hardly DJ.

I said the most exciting end to a game, they other had more media exposure etc. and was more exciting because had United scored after us, they would have won the league.Agree with you??no1 ever agrees with your bullshit

03-04-2003, 12:54 PM

more media exposure?
the whole back page of the mirror was simply a headline telling us we would lose.
it was the first time EVER the league title would be decided on tv -it was a news item on national and local news- newspapers dedicated special issues to it
the hillsborough disaster earlier in the season built it up even more -
the London based press built it up even more - liverpool where at the time probably the biggest club in the world, Arsenal the young new kids on the block given no chance by any pundit.

oh and yr both recently relegated in comparison to Arsenal - the most consistent 20th century team in terms of league position. As for had united scored - well yes had they scored it would have been more exciting than it was...
but they didn't.

The Rule

03-04-2003, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by JD
more media exposure?
the whole back page of the mirror was simply a headline telling us we would lose.
it was the first time EVER the league title would be decided on tv -it was a news item on national and local news- newspapers dedicated special issues to it
the hillsborough disaster earlier in the season built it up even more -
the London based press built it up even more - liverpool where at the time probably the biggest club in the world, Arsenal the young new kids on the block given no chance by any pundit.

oh and yr both recently relegated in comparison to Arsenal - the most consistent 20th century team in terms of league position. As for had united scored - well yes had they scored it would have been more exciting than it was...
but they didn't.

The Mirror have always been anti-Arsenal IMO.But do you not agree that Sky has increased the exposure of the game incredibly??

United where relegated in the 70's that's recent enough but i'd hardly call Liverpool "recently relegated"