Ajax 2002/2003 Preseason Matches

[Azerkid]

Ajax kicked-off their pre-season preparations with a comfortable 8-1 win against the amateurs of Zeeburgia with Rafael van der Vaart scoring a brace. Cristian Chivu, Mido, Petri Pasanen, Maxwell, Cedric van der Gun and Steven Pienaar also scored.

Van der Vaart, who was making his comeback after missing a large part of the second half of last season due to injury, proved that he hasn't lost his touch and scored a brace. Cristian Chivu, Mido, Petri Pasanen, Maxwell, Cedric van der Gun and Steven Pienaar completed the rout.

Bogdan Lobont, who played his first game for Ajax after returning from a loan spell at Dinamo Bucharest, was beaten once from the spot.

[BLAUGRANA]

Saw that. Not much for competition, but good too see van der Vaart playing and scoring.

[The Swede]

Did Zlatan play. You know that hes your best player!

[Roberto Abrego]

I agree he is the best.


but he might be leaving to another club.

[Azerkid]

Zlatan best? maybe one of th best but not THE best.

[BLAUGRANA]

Van der Vaart and Chivu are much better than Zlatan and always will be.

[The Swede]

No they arent and will never be! Did any of them play in the world cup? (a bit hard for them, I know...)

[BLAUGRANA]

WC has nothing to do with it. Van der Vaart scored more goals than Zlatan last year and VDV missed half the season. Chivu is worth almost twice as much as Zlatan in the transfer market.

[Azerkid]

WC has nothing to do with it even if Holland was in WC VDV still wouldn't start because they are a better team then Sweden, he would have had to beat out Kluivert, Hasselbaink, Van Hooijdoink, and RVN. The reason Zlatan was in WC beacause hes the best Swedish striker because the don't have many class strikers like Holland. So you think Zlatan could have beat out Van Hooij, Kluivert, RVN, and Hasselbaink if he played for Holland? No!

[The Swede]

Ok, your in for it now. I just have some questions? Which one of our two nations last had a Golden Shoe Winner. Hmmm, I believe it was us. Ok here comes another one. Who has in the last 10 years got the best result in the world cup? Sweden again. Here comes another. Who was best placed in the last WC? That was us again, wasnt it.

[The Swede]

With these kind of fans I really hope Zlatan leaves! You are not worthy him!

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Swede
With these kind of fans I really hope Zlatan leaves! You are not worthy him!

And with your ridiculous posts we hope you leave! You're not worthy of us or the Ajax board as a true fan would put the club ahead of some unproven, spoiled Prima Donna with a bad attitude.

[The Swede]

OK, if u cant take any critizism I'll leave u crybabies alone with Machlas and the rest. "Ridiculous post"...hahaha...U SUCK!

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Swede
OK, if u cant take any critizism I'll leave u crybabies alone with Machlas and the rest. "Ridiculous post"...hahaha...U SUCK!

The defense rests.

[Azerkid]

Hey Swede, you ignorant wannabe smart-guy i got a question for you who won the European Championship in 88 and got 4th place in WC 98? Hmmm..... youre very smart you would now the answer :rolleyes: BTW was sweden in WC 98 or Euro 96? and How far did they go in Euro 2000? Well i guess you know the answers so dont speak about stuff you not sure of okay?

[BLAUGRANA]

He's right. Look mate, we (at least I) have nothing against Sweden or Zlatan, but ripping on Ajax or Holland is just foolish. You're more than entitled to your opinion, but slagging one of Europe's most celebrated club's and most successful footballing nations will get you nowhere.

I would prefer if we could keep Zlatan, but football's all about money now and Ajax aren't a big club in terms of finances and they can't always hold onto big players.

[Azerkid]

Ahhmmm do you think Allback-Zlatan- Larsson are better than RVN, Kluivert, and Hasselbaink <---- each of these scorers are top scorers in thier league, BTW you probably know what Hasselbaink does to every league he goes to ;)

[Roberto Abrego]

I think Larsson is better than all those strikers u mention...

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37
WC has nothing to do with it even if Holland was in WC VDV still wouldn't start because they are a better team then Sweden, he would have had to beat out Kluivert, Hasselbaink, Van Hooijdoink, and RVN. The reason Zlatan was in WC beacause hes the best Swedish striker because the don't have many class strikers like Holland. So you think Zlatan could have beat out Van Hooij, Kluivert, RVN, and Hasselbaink if he played for Holland? No!

If they r better why
they didnt make it to the WC......

[Roberto Abrego]

I understand u guys(Azulgrana and Azerkid)beacuse u havent seen Zlatan to many times,and u dont follow or NT....but he is better than Mido,Machlas,and Van der Vaart...

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego


If they r better why
they didnt make it to the WC......

Maybe because Stam, De boer, and Davids barely played an games during Qualification because of thier incident, and also maybe because they had Ireland and Portugal in thier group but still managed to almost qualify without thier best players, and finally Sweden only competion was Turkey in the group and rest was all figured out.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
I understand u guys(Azulgrana and Azerkid)beacuse u havent seen Zlatan to many times,and u dont follow or NT....but he is better than Mido,Machlas,and Van der Vaart...

If he is better than Van Der Vaart then why doesnt he have as many goals as he does?

[The Swede]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


Maybe because Stam, De boer, and Davids barely played an games during Qualification because of thier incident, and also maybe because they had Ireland and Portugal in thier group but still managed to almost qualify without thier best players, and finally Sweden only competion was Turkey in the group and rest was all figured out.

Their incident...? If u would like to call it that go ahead, I would call it something else.

WC CUP 2002:
Portugal - left the tournament after the group
Ireland - Made it one step longer
Turkey - Third place in the WC...

[Roberto Abrego]

u r right but.....


.I think that Holland is better than Portugal and Ireland and are a very good team....they r my favourite team...

but they had a very bad Wc qualifier and we cant justify them.....

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


If he is better than Van Der Vaart then why doesnt he have as many goals as he does?



beacuse he doesnt have the playing time that Van Der Vaart have...

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
I think Larsson is better than all those strikers u mention...

You should really stay off the drugs Roberto. Maybe if Larsson produced the goods in a Premier League. RVN, Kluivert and Hasselbaink are all easily better.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego


If they r better why
they didnt make it to the WC......

Because they had a much tougher group.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego




beacuse he doesnt have the playing time that Van Der Vaart have...

RvdV only played half the season! Look, your compatriot came on here SLAMMING Ajax and us because we think it makes sense to sell Zlatan. If he stays fine. He still has a lot to prove though. What has he done anywhere??? NOTHING!

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by The Swede


Their incident...? If u would like to call it that go ahead, I would call it something else.

WC CUP 2002:
Portugal - left the tournament after the group
Ireland - Made it one step longer
Turkey - Third place in the WC...

Ok now read the truth:

Portugal: could have qualified if they tied Korea (4th place) but since they played with 9 men, and also hit the crossbar they werent able to qualify

Ireland: tied runners up Germany, and Cameroon and beat S. Arabia, basically they quaified from a group no one expected from them to qualify, and eventully lost to Spain

Turkey: bare against Senegal (lucky goal), and against Japan, an theonly reason they made it this far becasue Brazil beat Costa Rica 5-2 BTW another reason they went this far was becasue of Rustu there defence made him work overtime.

Basically what i am saying both team playued well aginst tough opponents and unfortunately if Portugal didnt lose the 2 players they would have been in the semifinals. So you cant compare Turkeys competion with Ireland and Portugal.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
I think Larsson is better than all those strikers u mention...

I hope that was not a joke, if it was it was not funny, BTW Roberto and Swede, i think we should have a poll asking everybody on WSB which strikers are better RVN, Kluivert, or JFH, against Zlatan, Larsson, and Allback do you agree?

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


I hope that was not a joke, if it was it was not funny, BTW Roberto and Swede, i think we should have a poll asking everybody on WSB which strikers are better RVN, Kluivert, or JFH, against Zlatan, Larsson, and Allback do you agree?

OUCH!!! A poll!?!?!? You guys would be running for cover! :D

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by azulgrana


OUCH!!! A poll!?!?!? You guys would be running for cover! :D

Yup, why do you guys want to humiliate Lars, Zla, and All and including yourselves, we can resolve this prblem in this room by just agreeing that RVN, Klu, and JFH are better, or if you guys are that confident then will make this poll public, let me know when you guys are ready.

[BLAUGRANA]

No need for a poll. The players performances speak for themselves. Roberto and the Swede are entitled to their opinions, even if they're wrong. ;)

[Azerkid]

This should be like a beat if they win then we will back Zlatan up this year and not critisize him butif we win they will stop slamming Holland and Ajax (that mainly concerns The Swede) this is not for embarrasment but kind of like keeping order in the room so there wont be arguments and crap.

[BLAUGRANA]

I think it's fine as is. A little arguing is fine by me. Besides, good 'ol Roberto is just trying to make valid points. The Swedes intentions on the other hand...

If Zlatan stays with Ajax and is a team player who stays out of trouble and works hard, he'll be fine by me.

[Azerkid]

I dont see how sayng Lars is better than those three is a valid point :confused:

[BLAUGRANA]

I'm saying he's using "valid points" to back up his arguement.

[Azerkid]

All he said was "I think he is better than those players you mention" not many points in that.

[Azerkid]

I will only post if they want me too if they dont then thats fine.

[BLAUGRANA]

That's his opinion. The points he's making to try and back such statements up are when he talks about Zlatans playing time and so forth.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by azulgrana


You should really stay off the drugs Roberto. Maybe if Larsson produced the goods in a Premier League. RVN, Kluivert and Hasselbaink are all easily better.


he did a good job at the CL ;)


and also at the WC ;)

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by azulgrana


RvdV only played half the season! Look, your compatriot came on here SLAMMING Ajax and us because we think it makes sense to sell Zlatan. If he stays fine. He still has a lot to prove though. What has he done anywhere??? NOTHING!


but still Van der Vaart get to played more minutes than Zlatan!!!

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


I hope that was not a joke, if it was it was not funny, BTW Roberto and Swede, i think we should have a poll asking everybody on WSB which strikers are better RVN, Kluivert, or JFH, against Zlatan, Larsson, and Allback do you agree?


yes of course Kluivert,Nistelrooy,and Hasselbaink are better than Zlatan,Larsson,and Allbäck....


but out of the six individually the best one is Larsson...;)

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


Ok now read the truth:

Portugal: could have qualified if they tied Korea (4th place) but since they played with 9 men, and also hit the crossbar they werent able to qualify

Ireland: tied runners up Germany, and Cameroon and beat S. Arabia, basically they quaified from a group no one expected from them to qualify, and eventully lost to Spain

Turkey: bare against Senegal (lucky goal), and against Japan, an theonly reason they made it this far becasue Brazil beat Costa Rica 5-2 BTW another reason they went this far was becasue of Rustu there defence made him work overtime.

Basically what i am saying both team playued well aginst tough opponents and unfortunately if Portugal didnt lose the 2 players they would have been in the semifinals. So you cant compare Turkeys competion with Ireland and Portugal.



Portugal didnt qualify,ok they hit the crossbar u r right...but remeber that V.Baia saved allot of shoots at the last minutes of the match...


Ireland were favourites over Cameroon.....
and that lucky gola they scored in the last minute :rolleyes:

and about Turkey well they played better than Senegal they had more opportunities they deserved the victory...

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego




Portugal didnt qualify,ok they hit the crossbar u r right...but remeber that V.Baia saved allot of shoots at the last minutes of the match...


Ireland were favourites over Cameroon.....
and that lucky gola they scored in the last minute :rolleyes:

and about Turkey well they played better than Senegal they had more opportunities they deserved the victory...

Yes but Senegal style is not possesion its counterattack, and they did score the first goal that was disallowed and as far as for Portugal of course Baia had to make the saves because the whole team was desperatly attacking and they only had 9 players on the field.

If Ireland did lose to Germany they still would have went thru to play in 2nd round because of goal differece.

Irl 2-2 Cam
Irl 0-1 Ger (if they lost)
Irl 3-0 SA

Cam 2-2 Irl
Cam 0-2 Ger
Cam 1-0 SA

Cam would have scored 3 and allowed 2 and Ireland would have scored 5 and allowed 3.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



yes of course Kluivert,Nistelrooy,and Hasselbaink are better than Zlatan,Larsson,and Allbäck....


but out of the six individually the best one is Larsson...;)

Is it because he scores in a tough league as Scotland or becasue he is the only player for Sweden who scores a lot? Well, anyway i will respect you opinion/joke :D

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



yes of course Kluivert,Nistelrooy,and Hasselbaink are better than Zlatan,Larsson,and Allbäck....


but out of the six individually the best one is Larsson...;)

Not a chance!!! RVN is by far the best followed by Kluivert. I say JFH is third cause he's delivered the goods in Holland, Spain and England. Sorry Roberto, but Larrsson doing well in Scotland isn't saying too much. He wasnt' that great in the WC or in the CL for that matter.

[Azerkid]

My order:

Kluivert
RVN
JFH
Larsson
Allback
Zlatan

[BLAUGRANA]

My ranking of the aforementioned strikers:

RVN
Kluivert
JFH
Larrsson
Zlatan
Allback

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by azulgrana


Not a chance!!! RVN is by far the best followed by Kluivert. I say JFH is third cause he's delivered the goods in Holland, Spain and England. Sorry Roberto, but Larrsson doing well in Scotland isn't saying too much. He wasnt' that great in the WC or in the CL for that matter.

JFH also delivered the goods in Portugal ;)

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


JFH also delivered the goods in Portugal ;)
Oh yeah!

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by azulgrana


Not a chance!!! RVN is by far the best followed by Kluivert. I say JFH is third cause he's delivered the goods in Holland, Spain and England. Sorry Roberto, but Larrsson doing well in Scotland isn't saying too much. He wasnt' that great in the WC or in the CL for that matter.


he had a good Wc he was the top scorer of "the group of the death" he is better at my opinion than RVN or the other two.....

he is a more complete player.

[Roberto Abrego]

I think this should be the right order ;)

1.Larsson
2.Kluivert
3.Nistelrooy
4.Hasselbaink
5.Zlatan
6.Allbäck



I dont think Ruud is better by miles than the rest like u said....

[The Swede]

I dont have the time to argue with u anymore. I can just say that when I was younger I was a big Ajax-fan and Holland was my favourite NT-team besides Sweden. Koeman is my favouriteplayer alltime except...Zlatan. The thing is that I live close to Malmoe (U signed him from Malmoe FF) and I have watched him do amazing things on the pitch. He was the one who brought back my favourite-team to the big clubs in Sweden and thats why I really love him. I cant explain his reputation and the way people feel about Zlatan because its incredible. I really hope hell do good in Ajax but I know that he has to feel appreciated and get time to play to be able to show his skills. If Ajax cant do that to him then he have to leave. I cant say that I find Machlas to be a better player than Zlatan but I now that he is good at doing "easy" goals so I understand that u like him. But I would actually rather have an entertainer who gives u memories that you'll never forget then a player that does the occasional goal. Since Im one of the biggest Chelsea Fans out here I feel that I actually am a bit better to judge his ability since I have seen alot of games wíth him in Chelsea and thats not the same Jimbo as in the NT. I wouldnt say he is a more complete player since he is extremly reliable on his amazing shot but he is still a great player. But I would rather have Kluivert as I have mentioned to other people quite some times (there has been repeated rumours of the two switching clubs).

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



he had a good Wc he was the top scorer of "the group of the death" he is better at my opinion than RVN or the other two.....

he is a more complete player.

Hahahah Larsson more complete? yeah right :rolleyes:
Yes, he was a top scorer of the mst boring gruop where team average 1.5 goals a game. BTW if he is so complete then why does in play in pitiful SPL, Kluivert, RVN, and JFH are better first of all because they all play in the worlds top leagues and are the leading scorers there.

How is Larsson complete? all he can do is put the ball behind the net, I would say most complete player of these six are JFH becaus he can pass great, take freekicks, score, and even defend.

My complete player order:
JFH
Kluivert
Larsson
Zlatan
RVN
Allback

But I guess youre saying Lars is better becasue your Swedish and are looking beyond thier skills but only to thier nationality.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



he had a good Wc he was the top scorer of "the group of the death" he is better at my opinion than RVN or the other two.....

he is a more complete player.

Hahahah Larsson more complete? yeah right :rolleyes:
Yes, he was a top scorer of the mst boring gruop where team average 1.5 goals a game. BTW if he is so complete then why does in play in pitiful SPL, Kluivert, RVN, and JFH are better first of all because they all play in the worlds top leagues and are the leading scorers there.

How is Larsson complete? all he can do is put the ball behind the net, I would say most complete player of these six are JFH becaus he can pass great, take freekicks, score, and even defend.

My complete player order:
JFH
Kluivert
Larsson
Zlatan
RVN
Allback

But I guess youre saying Lars is better becasue your Swedish and are looking beyond thier skills but only to thier nationality.

[Azerkid]

Another important fact :

Lars- 72 /caps 24 /goals
Allback- 23 /caps 9 /goals
Zlatan- 12 /caps 1 /goal

Kluivert- 60 /caps 34 /goals
JFH- 18 /caps 7 /goals
RVN- 18 /caps 8 /goals

[Azerkid]

Kluvert's 34 goals = Zlatans, Lars, and Allbacks goals toghether.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



he had a good Wc he was the top scorer of "the group of the death" he is better at my opinion than RVN or the other two.....

he is a more complete player.

RVN is the most complete striker of the lot followed by Kluivert.

[Azerkid]

I dont see how RVN can be most complete he can only pass, dribble, and score, but kluivert can shoot with both feet, dribble, pass, even defend same can be said about JFH, i think complete wise hes as same as Lars

New order:

JFH
Kluivert
Larsson
RVN
Zlatan
Allback

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


Hahahah Larsson more complete? yeah right :rolleyes:
Yes, he was a top scorer of the mst boring gruop where team average 1.5 goals a game. BTW if he is so complete then why does in play in pitiful SPL, Kluivert, RVN, and JFH are better first of all because they all play in the worlds top leagues and are the leading scorers there.

How is Larsson complete? all he can do is put the ball behind the net, I would say most complete player of these six are JFH becaus he can pass great, take freekicks, score, and even defend.

My complete player order:
JFH
Kluivert
Larsson
Zlatan
RVN
Allback

But I guess youre saying Lars is better becasue your Swedish and are looking beyond thier skills but only to thier nationality.

U shouldnt forget that,that pitiful SPL team beat Ajax....on the CL last year....

Celtic can be compare to any team of europe....they can compite in any eague in the world!


I am not saying he is better just beacuse of his nationality...he is a great passer,header,good free kick taker,Pk taker,he have a dribble miles better than all of the other 5 guys ;)

He have scored 24 and Kluivert 34 he have a better goal rate....
Larsson had played some games in the midfield beacuse he couldnt compete against K.Andersson,or Martin Dahlin...

[Roberto Abrego]

also Sweden is a defensive team 20:3 in the WC qualifiers


Holand is more offensive,sometimes they start game swith 3 FW,and sometimes they finish with 5! on the WC qualifiers 30:9

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego


U shouldnt forget that,that pitiful SPL team beat Ajax....on the CL last year....

Celtic can be compare to any team of europe....they can compite in any eague in the world!


I am not saying he is better just beacuse of his nationality...he is a great passer,header,good free kick taker,Pk taker,he have a dribble miles better than all of the other 5 guys ;)

He have scored 24 and Kluivert 34 he have a better goal rate....
Larsson had played some games in the midfield beacuse he couldnt compete against K.Andersson,or Martin Dahlin...


Ok, Celtic can compete with any team in Europe, and how far did they go in CL? How far did Kluivert's Barca or RVN's Man U go in CL? How many goals did RVN score and Kluivert in CL? How many did Lars score in CL? How many goals did Lars score in Euro 2000? How far did Holland go? How far did Sweden go? can Celtic beat Man U? or Barca?

BTW, I saw the friendly Celtic 1-1 Shelbourne last week.

[Azerkid]

BTW for how much did Celtic buy Lars? For how much did Barca buy Kluivert? And for how much did Man U buy RVN? For how much did Chelsea buy JFH?

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Azerkid37
BTW for how much did Celtic buy Lars? For how much did Barca buy Kluivert? And for how much did Man U buy RVN? For how much did Chelsea buy JFH?

All in pounds...

JFH cost 15 million
RVN about 18-19 million
Kluivert I don't know, maybe 10-15 million
Larrsson was pretty cheap I think. He came from Feyenoord and wasn't as good back then.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



Celtic can be compare to any team of europe....they can compite in any eague in the world!


I'd love to see Celtic in the EPL. They'd get spanked around and brought back down to earth. Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leeds, Newcastle and Chelsea would all finish ahead of them.

[Azerkid]

I would love to see how many goals would Lars score in EPL.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37



Ok, Celtic can compete with any team in Europe, and how far did they go in CL? How far did Kluivert's Barca or RVN's Man U go in CL? How many goals did RVN score and Kluivert in CL? How many did Lars score in CL? How many goals did Lars score in Euro 2000? How far did Holland go? How far did Sweden go? can Celtic beat Man U? or Barca?

BTW, I saw the friendly Celtic 1-1 Shelbourne last week.


yes Barcelona and Manchester UTD get to the second round
and Kluivert and RVN scored more goals yes....

and about in the Euro 2000 the tournament was in Holland Larsson just played in the last game against Italy...remember that he was thought not to play more football in his live after that horrible injury he suffered...but why u take in consideration a cup that was 2 years ago???I think is better to take more in consideration the WC...

maybe Celtic can beat Man UTD

they cant beat Barcelona



It was just a friendly match!

Larsson didnt just for u to know.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by azulgrana


All in pounds...

JFH cost 15 million
RVN about 18-19 million
Kluivert I don't know, maybe 10-15 million
Larrsson was pretty cheap I think. He came from Feyenoord and wasn't as good back then.

All in pounds..

JFH- 15
RVN- 19.3
Kluivert- 12.5
Larsson- 650.000 thousand......... Hahahaha :D

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


All in pounds..

JFH- 15
RVN- 19.3
Kluivert- 12.5
Larsson- 650.000 thousand......... Hahahaha :D

Is that really what Larsson cost? That was a real bargain then.

[Roberto Abrego]

ooh I forget Johan Mjällby didnt play neither...

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



yes Barcelona and Manchester UTD get to the second round
and Kluivert and RVN scored more goals yes....

and about in the Euro 2000 the tournament was in Holland Larsson just played in the last game against Italy...remember that he was thought not to play more football in his live after that horrible injury he suffered...but why u take in consideration a cup that was 2 years ago???I think is better to take more in consideration the WC...

maybe Celtic can beat Man UTD

they cant beat Barcelona



It was just a friendly match!

Larsson didnt just for u to know.


Thats tells you how good they when they rely on won person to win games.

They CANT beat Man U? There wont be any luck-of-the-irish in EPL IF they join.

It doesnt matter if the tournament was in Sweden, they fans don't play the game, its the players, they just give the players a morale boost.

Well why do you dont take Euro in consideration, and instead Sweden in this WC. Is it because Holland werent thier? Its only fair to judge by the most recent tournament where both teams played in.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


All in pounds..

JFH- 15
RVN- 19.3
Kluivert- 12.5
Larsson- 650.000 thousand......... Hahahaha :D




that wasnt funny!


I will rate him in 15ml just for his age...

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
ooh I forget Johan Mjällby didnt play neither...

Good! then they would have lost.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego





that wasnt funny!


I will rate him in 15ml just for his age...

But you know the price also reflects the skill :)

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by azulgrana


All in pounds...

JFH cost 15 million
RVN about 18-19 million
Kluivert I don't know, maybe 10-15 million
Larrsson was pretty cheap I think. He came from Feyenoord and wasn't as good back then.

how can u said he wasnt good!he was very good!

[BLAUGRANA]

I used to watch him play at Feyenoord a lot. What I said was he wasn't as good then as he is now.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by azulgrana


I'd love to see Celtic in the EPL. They'd get spanked around and brought back down to earth. Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leeds, Newcastle and Chelsea would all finish ahead of them.


yes Arsenal of course and Manchester Utd and Liverpool


but they will fight against the other ones!

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



yes Arsenal of course and Manchester Utd and Liverpool


but they will fight against the other ones!

They'll fight and lose. That's not to mention Gers.

[Roberto Abrego]

theyl fight and get a Uefa Cup spot!

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by azulgrana
I used to watch him play at Feyenoord a lot. What I said was he wasn't as good then as he is now.

oh yes,he is better now...

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
theyl fight and get a Uefa Cup spot!

Leeds, Newcastle, and Chelsea would also finish ahead of them

[Roberto Abrego]

yes I now if he was like 26 I will rather rate him in 20ml

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
yes I now if he was like 26 I will rather rate him in 20ml

Hahahaha, Thats just you...... the marketing agents and others dont think so :D ;)

[Roberto Abrego]

why?


he wasnt never sold and they didnt rate him in 600,000

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


Leeds, Newcastle, and Chelsea would also finish ahead of them

dont be so sure of that....

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
why?


he wasnt never sold and they didnt rate him in 600,000

He was sold to Celtic in 97 from Feyenoord for 650.000

[The Swede]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


All in pounds..

JFH- 15
RVN- 19.3
Kluivert- 12.5
Larsson- 650.000 thousand......... Hahahaha :D

U dont know anything about football. Comparing players after what they have been bought for... Thats simply stupid. Look at Chelsea for example. They bought Gudjohson for 3.5m and Sutton for 10m. Gudjohson has been one of the best players in PL while Sutton couldnt do anything right.

[Azerkid]

Sutton? isnt even worth 1m, thats why he plays for Celtic? Well since i'm stupid and compare players by thier price then since Zidane, Figo, Rivaldo, Van Nistlelrooy, Kluivert, Vieri, Crespo and, etc prices dont mean anything, then why are they one of the best in the world? I havent seen a world start player bought for 500.000 maybe Larsson but thats all have you?

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by The Swede


U dont know anything about football. Comparing players after what they have been bought for... Thats simply stupid. Look at Chelsea for example. They bought Gudjohson for 3.5m and Sutton for 10m. Gudjohson has been one of the best players in PL while Sutton couldnt do anything right.

BTW where did you get the idea where that i said that Lars sucks because of his price? When he was bought by Feyenoord he wasnt that good as he is now, but when JFH, Kluivert, and RVN were bought they were in thier prime, just look at thier stats if you dont beleive me.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


He was sold to Celtic in 97 from Feyenoord for 650.000

I mean he had never been sold or linked to any club since being in Celtics

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37
Sutton? isnt even worth 1m, thats why he plays for Celtic? Well since i'm stupid and compare players by thier price then since Zidane, Figo, Rivaldo, Van Nistlelrooy, Kluivert, Vieri, Crespo and, etc prices dont mean anything, then why are they one of the best in the world? I havent seen a world start player bought for 500.000 maybe Larsson but thats all have you?

Rivaldo wasnt a WC player when we bought him the same with Kluivert,he wasnt as good as his now at MIlan...

[Azerkid]

What? Rivaldo was bought in '97 and in 98 he played in France, and Kluivert he was one of the top scorers in Erdevisie, and yes he did have a bad season in Milan but you are wrong when you said he was only good when he came to Barca beacause he was Erdevisie top- scorer list and even though he only play 18 games he still scored 6 goals, and also played in Euro 96 in which Sweden didnt qualify.

[BLAUGRANA]

While you two clowns are arguing about whether or not Kluivert's wife is hotter than Larsson's, :rolling: you're missing out on all the Barca news. Who would have thought this preseason match thread would be so long! You two are crazier than the Swede's posts. :D ;)

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37
What? Rivaldo was bought in '97 and in 98 he played in France, and Kluivert he was one of the top scorers in Erdevisie, and yes he did have a bad season in Milan but you are wrong when you said he was only good when he came to Barca beacause he was Erdevisie top- scorer list and even though he only play 18 games he still scored 6 goals, and also played in Euro 96 in which Sweden didnt qualify.


I dont think u become a WC player just for beeing the top scorer in a league?

u consider Mateja Kezman?
or Dario Hubner a WC player then???

yes Rivaldo played on 1998 but he wasnt as good and indispensabal as he is right now..

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by azulgrana
While you two clowns are arguing about whether or not Kluivert's wife is hotter than Larsson's, :rolling: you're missing out on all the Barca news. Who would have thought this preseason match thread would be so long! You two are crazier than the Swede's posts. :D ;)


ehehe thanx azulgrana for the information


I am will go right now to the barca forum :)

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



I dont think u become a WC player just for beeing the top scorer in a league?

u consider Mateja Kezman?
or Dario Hubner a WC player then???

yes Rivaldo played on 1998 but he wasnt as good and indispensabal as he is right now..

Kezman? Yugoslavia didnt make the WC! if they did of course he would have played.

Dario Hubner? What the hell? He plays for Piacenza, he the only offense they have. If Trap didnt let Montella play they why would he pick up Hubner? Montella is 100x better.

Since you said being a league scorer doesnt make a WC player than why did Lars play in this WC? He was SPL's leading scorer.

[Azerkid]

Well anyway enough of this crap, lets call a truce since its obviouvs we definatly disagree about who better, so just chill, and that goes for The Swede too.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


Kezman? Yugoslavia didnt make the WC! if they did of course he would have played.

Dario Hubner? What the hell? He plays for Piacenza, he the only offense they have. If Trap didnt let Montella play they why would he pick up Hubner? Montella is 100x better.

Since you said being a league scorer doesnt make a WC player than why did Lars play in this WC? He was SPL's leading scorer.
I didnt said that u r the one that said that just for becoming a top scorer u r already a World Class star(WC)!

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37
Well anyway enough of this crap, lets call a truce since its obviouvs we definatly disagree about who better, so just chill, and that goes for The Swede too.

ok

[The Swede]

Originally posted by Azerkid37
Sutton? isnt even worth 1m, thats why he plays for Celtic? Well since i'm stupid and compare players by thier price then since Zidane, Figo, Rivaldo, Van Nistlelrooy, Kluivert, Vieri, Crespo and, etc prices dont mean anything, then why are they one of the best in the world? I havent seen a world start player bought for 500.000 maybe Larsson but thats all have you?

Of course most players match their price but u didnt give any other reason to why any of the dutch players would be better than Larsson than that they were bought for more money. Look at Mendieta and Claudio Lopez for example. They were bought for a total of 40m+ (I think so anyway) and none of them have shown anything since their arrival in Lazio. The point im trying to make is that if Larsson was to be sold last year (or the year before) when he was at his prime his pricetag would atleast been 15-25m and then perhaps u should have considered him to be a good player?


Why havent u made a new thread about your last friendly? (Ajax won 1-0 and look at this - Zlatan scored the only goal and was according to what Ive heard man of the Match...)

[Roberto Abrego]

I agree...

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by The Swede


Of course most players match their price but u didnt give any other reason to why any of the dutch players would be better than Larsson than that they were bought for more money. Look at Mendieta and Claudio Lopez for example. They were bought for a total of 40m+ (I think so anyway) and none of them have shown anything since their arrival in Lazio. The point im trying to make is that if Larsson was to be sold last year (or the year before) when he was at his prime his pricetag would atleast been 15-25m and then perhaps u should have considered him to be a good player?


Why havent u made a new thread about your last friendly? (Ajax won 1-0 and look at this - Zlatan scored the only goal and was according to what Ive heard man of the Match...)


Swede where have you been? read my posts from previuos pages it will show you my reasons why i think they Dutchman are better come back and talk when you read and understood what im saying.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego

I didnt said that u r the one that said that just for becoming a top scorer u r already a World Class star(WC)!

WC? next time make it more clear because as far as i know WC = World Cup, but since you mean World Class then no of course Kluivert wasnt a world-class player in his days in Ajax he was just starting his career, and for Rivaldo he was becoming a WC around 97-98 and then won the World Player award.

[Azerkid]

Lars a about 1 year was linked by many clubs, and he was rated around 12-13 million but not like Rob says he should be rated around 26 million.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by The Swede


Why havent u made a new thread about your last friendly? (Ajax won 1-0 and look at this - Zlatan scored the only goal and was according to what Ive heard man of the Match...)



Friendlies? is that the best argument you could give... in friendly games? why dont you tell how good he is when the season starts becasue that matters most, friendlies are a more competive version of practice.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37
Lars a about 1 year was linked by many clubs, and he was rated around 12-13 million but not like Rob says he should be rated around 26 million.
he havent been linked never!

beacuse he love the Bhoys!!!

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


WC? next time make it more clear because as far as i know WC = World Cup, but since you mean World Class then no of course Kluivert wasnt a world-class player in his days in Ajax he was just starting his career, and for Rivaldo he was becoming a WC around 97-98 and then won the World Player award.


but still u didnt answer my question?

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego

he havent been linked never!

beacuse he love the Bhoys!!!


Those are called Rumours, that stuff is made up by the media its not official by the club, but the media said he was worth around 12million. so why do you say stuff like that when you dont even know if he was or was not linked.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



but still u didnt answer my question?

your questoin on WC players? ok if youre a leading scorer in a league can make you a WC player but it depends on the league your playing and on what team if you lead a league that is competive and popular and you play in it best club then yes you should be a WC but after all WC come down to thier contribution for thier team.

[Roberto Abrego]

so you r contradicting yourself beacuse u said that JFH is a class player and he finish top scorer and he was in Athletico Madrid


i dont understand u??

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37



Those are called Rumours, that stuff is made up by the media its not official by the club, but the media said he was worth around 12million. so why do you say stuff like that when you dont even know if he was or was not linked.
beacuse I never ever heard a rumour of him being transfer hahaha...

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
so you r contradicting yourself beacuse u said that JFH is a class player and he finish top scorer and he was in Athletico Madrid


i dont understand u??

Roberto, JFH was also a leading scorer in Chelsea and Leeds and Benifica who were best in thier leagues, have you forgot about that?

When JFH play in Atletico they werent that bad, they were in top 10, your comparing the now Atletico with the old because now they arent that good.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego

beacuse I never ever heard a rumour of him being transfer hahaha...

Hahahaha you dont follow much football news do you? after his injury he was linked by number of clubs since they were afraid he wasnt gonna hit form, BTW he was linked to coming to EPL, but of course Celtic would sell becasue he the best player that pity team. BTW they should have killed the guy who gave them the idea to wear those kind of uniforms :D.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego

he havent been linked never!

beacuse he love the Bhoys!!!

He was linked with various clubs, but he wasn't worth what anyone would have had to pay. United were rumoured to be interested on several occasions, but Fergie smartly opted for RVN instead.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


Roberto, JFH was also a leading scorer in Chelsea and Leeds and Benifica who were best in thier leagues, have you forgot about that?

When JFH play in Atletico they werent that bad, they were in top 10, your comparing the now Atletico with the old because now they arent that good.

Actually Atletico were relegated that season. However, it just goes to show JFH's class because he single-handedly carried that team.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by azulgrana


Actually Atletico were relegated that season. However, it just goes to show JFH's class because he single-handedly carried that team.

Oh yeah sorry i was thinking about another season, but Zul is right he did carry Atletico by himself and same can be said about him with Chelsea, and Leeds, and Boavista.

[BLAUGRANA]

BTW guys, don't forget that Ajax knocked Celtic out of the CL last season during the qualifying rounds.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


Roberto, JFH was also a leading scorer in Chelsea and Leeds and Benifica who were best in thier leagues, have you forgot about that?

When JFH play in Atletico they werent that bad, they were in top 10, your comparing the now Atletico with the old because now they arent that good.


they were relegated the season he finish as a top scorer...

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


Actually Atletico were relegated that season. However, it just goes to show JFH's class because he single-handedly carried that team. thatswhat I think but he said that if u r not in a good team and u finish top0 scorer u r not World class player :confused:

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


Oh yeah sorry i was thinking about another season, but Zul is right he did carry Atletico by himself and same can be said about him with Chelsea, and Leeds, and Boavista.


i didnt new he played at Boavista???

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
thatswhat I think but he said that if u r not in a good team and u finish top0 scorer u r not World class player :confused:

Yes maybe Atletico did get relegated but thats no the point te point when he scored he goals in Chelsea, Boavista, and Leeds they were the top teams.... not the #1 teams but in top 5.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
thatswhat I think but he said that if u r not in a good team and u finish top0 scorer u r not World class player :confused:

to be a league top-scorer and a WC you have you play on a good team, no like Dario Hubner or Micheal Ricketts.... these guys scored alot of goals but couldnt do much for NT, which is another thing that makes a WC player.

[Roberto Abrego]

yes i now he is an awesome striker but...


u said that if a striker finish top scorer in a league but plays for a tadpole team he is not World Class...

so technically u r saying that Jarel wasnt a World Class player when he was with los colchoneros...

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


to be a league top-scorer and a WC you have you play on a good team, no like Dario Hubner or Micheal Ricketts.... these guys scored alot of goals but couldnt do much for NT, which is another thing that makes a WC player.

dario Hubner havent been an international yet...and will probably never be...

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
yes i now he is an awesome striker but...


u said that if a striker finish top scorer in a league but plays for a tadpole team he is not World Class...

so technically u r saying that Jarel wasnt a World Class player when he was with los colchoneros...

No he wasnt a WC player because he actually became a WC player with Galatasaray because he proved it in the CL, and same thing can be said about Rivaldo who wasnt a WC player but still was good with Deportivo, but became one in Barca.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego


dario Hubner havent been an international yet...and will probably never be...

I know that, but has played some international games as a sub but still couldnt do anything.

[Roberto Abrego]

but he is a really good player...

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37


No he wasnt a WC player because he actually became a WC player with Galatasaray because he proved it in the CL, and same thing can be said about Rivaldo who wasnt a WC player but still was good with Deportivo, but became one in Barca.

I was talking abouy Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink(Jerrel)

[Azerkid]

Roberto, Spelling better would help me understand, you got me confused.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
yes i now he is an awesome striker but...


u said that if a striker finish top scorer in a league but plays for a tadpole team he is not World Class...

so technically u r saying that Jarel wasnt a World Class player when he was with los colchoneros...

Yes thats what i am saying, teams like Chelsea and Leeds is where he became as good as he is now because more thngs or on his shoulders for him to win and perform well.

[The Swede]

Originally posted by Azerkid
Roberto, Spelling better would help me understand if you spelled better because you got me confused.

Good sentance that one!

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by The Swede


Good sentance that one!

Sentance? Haha, Superb spelling, :rolleyes:, next time correct your own spelling before you correct somebody elses.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Azerkid


BTW, its Sentence if you didn't know ;)

[Robledo]

Ajax blitz seals victory over Celtic

Three goals in 14 first-half minutes gave Ajax a 3-1 win over Celtic at Parkhead.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic and two from Mido Ahmed Hossam were enough even though Chris Sutton pulled one back in the second half.

Alan Thompson was replaced by Steve Guppy after just four minutes when he picked up an injury and things steadily went from bad to worse for Celtic in the first half of the game.

The Dutch visitors surged into the lead after seven minutes. Zlatan Ibrahimovic met a cross from John O'Brien to slot home into the bottom corner of the net.

Hoops goalkeeper Rab Douglas was left standing again a couple of minutes later when Mido Ahmed Hossam cracked a shot from the 18-yard line off the right-hand post and over the line.

And on 21 minutes, Ibrahimovic nodded the ball into the path of Hossam who slid home from close range to claim his second goal of the night.

Celtic looked far more convincing in the second half and Chris Sutton could have pulled a goal back just seconds after the re-start.

He looked certain to squeeze a downward header home at the far post but he was denied by an impressive save from the Ajax goalkeeper who just managed to turn the ball past the upright.

But the former Blackburn and Chelsea striker was more successful after 57 minutes. New signing David Fernandez displayed some impressive footwork to deliver the ball into the path of Sutton who prodded the ball home from six yards.

But Ajax were still looking dangerous and a point-blank shot from substitute Andy van der Meyde forced Douglas to use his reflexes and tip the ball over the bar.

Didier Agathe was then called on to clear the ball off the line after Hossam connected with the resultant corner.

Despite the earlier burst of activity from Celtic, the home side could could not manage to add to their tally further and, with five minutes of the game still remaining, the stadium was already half-empty.

[Robledo]

Beating Celtic on their own ground is quite a result! Not many European teams could do that in the Champions League

Mido looks a great prospect from what I've seen of him last season

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Robledo
Beating Celtic on their own ground is quite a result! Not many European teams could do that in the Champions League

Mido looks a great prospect from what I've seen of him last season

Mido definately looks good. I saw the highlights on Sky and Martin O'Neill wasn't happy with Celtic. Zlatan did well and set up Mido's second. Van Der Vaart set up Zlatan's goal. Anyone know if Sikora played?

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


Mido definately looks good. I saw the highlights on Sky and Martin O'Neill wasn't happy with Celtic. Zlatan did well and set up Mido's second. Van Der Vaart set up Zlatan's goal. Anyone know if Sikora played?

Zlatan played well but Mido played great, and i guess the "Bhoys" got whacked by the boys ;) :D, so i guess the thought of them doing well in EPL if they join is very slim.

BTW, i saw the interview with O'neill and it was funny when the reporter asked him a about if Celtic have a lot of improvement to do and he quickly said "yes yes, of course we have alot of impovemnet to do, of course", i guees he was kinda pissed-off.

[Robledo]

Hopefully Ajax can keep hold of their young players as players such as Ibrahimovic ,Mido and Van Der Meyde were heavily linked to various European clubs last season.

By the way, do Ajax have automatic entry to the Champions League? or do they go through the qualifying stages in August

[Azerkid]

I beleive its auto since they finished first in the league last- season.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Robledo
Hopefully Ajax can keep hold of their young players as players such as Ibrahimovic ,Mido and Van Der Meyde were heavily linked to various European clubs last season.

By the way, do Ajax have automatic entry to the Champions League? or do they go through the qualifying stages in August

It's automatic entry, but they will get a tough draw as all the top clubs were put into the same pool so all the big boys can't be drawn against one another. Ajax will have a tough first round.

[timaloy]

I was at the game and was sh!tting it after the first 15 minutes. However, the game settled down and Celtic dominated the second half. Zlatan is huge. McNamara (a midfielder) who was supposed to be marking him and Sutton (a Striker) were woeful along with Douglas in goals for Ajax's goals.

When we have our three defenders back alongside Mjallby (Valgaeren, Balde and Crainey) then the leaking of goals will not happen to the same extent.

Azerkid, you are unwise to judge Celtic in one friendly match. After all, we have beaten EPL opposition in the form of Man Utd, Leeds Utd and drew away from home against Arsenal in similar games.

Ajax have definitely got a good player with Mido.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by timaloy
I was at the game and was sh!tting it after the first 15 minutes. However, the game settled down and Celtic dominated the second half. Zlatan is huge. McNamara (a midfielder) who was supposed to be marking him and Sutton (a Striker) were woeful along with Douglas in goals for Ajax's goals.

When we have our three defenders back alongside Mjallby (Valgaeren, Balde and Crainey) then the leaking of goals will not happen to the same extent.

Azerkid, you are unwise to judge Celtic in one friendly match. After all, we have beaten EPL opposition in the form of Man Utd, Leeds Utd and drew away from home against Arsenal in similar games.

Ajax have definitely got a good player with Mido.

You're right, Celtic have been hit hard by injuries of late, especially in defense. It's good to hear Mido looked good. I think if Ajax can keep he and Zlatan around for a while along with Van der Vaart and Chivu, they could be a force again.

Hey Timaloy, did Sikora play for Ajax?? If so, how was he? Sounds like Van der Vaart played well. Anyone else stand out?

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by timaloy
I was at the game and was sh!tting it after the first 15 minutes. However, the game settled down and Celtic dominated the second half. Zlatan is huge. McNamara (a midfielder) who was supposed to be marking him and Sutton (a Striker) were woeful along with Douglas in goals for Ajax's goals.

When we have our three defenders back alongside Mjallby (Valgaeren, Balde and Crainey) then the leaking of goals will not happen to the same extent.

Azerkid, you are unwise to judge Celtic in one friendly match. After all, we have beaten EPL opposition in the form of Man Utd, Leeds Utd and drew away from home against Arsenal in similar games.

Ajax have definitely got a good player with Mido.

Celtic are only good in SPL, nowhere else.

[The Swede]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


You're right, Celtic have been hit hard by injuries of late, especially in defense. It's good to hear Mido looked good. I think if Ajax can keep he and Zlatan around for a while along with Van der Vaart and Chivu, they could be a force again.

Hey Timaloy, did Sikora play for Ajax?? If so, how was he? Sounds like Van der Vaart played well. Anyone else stand out?

Suddenly Zlatan IS good?

[The Swede]

Originally posted by Azerkid


Sentance? Haha, Superb spelling, :rolleyes:, next time correct your own spelling before you correct somebody elses.

Ever heard of IRONY...

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by The Swede


Suddenly Zlatan IS good?

We have to wait and see how good he is during the "real" games.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Swede


Suddenly Zlatan IS good?

It's unfortunate all my previous posts were to difficult for you to understand. Otherwise, you'd realize I never said he wasn't good.

[The Swede]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


It's unfortunate all my previous posts were to difficult for you to understand. Otherwise, you'd realize I never said he wasn't good.

Perhaps I stopped reading all your posts when everybody started comparing players only after their price. Or it might have to do with the fact that I'm not at all as smart as you...hehehe...

[Robledo]

Norwich City 0 - Ajax 1

Zlatan Ibrahimovic the scorer yet again!

Here's the match report from Norwich City's Official Web Site (slightly biased of course) :


http://www.canaries.co.uk/today/view/breaking_news_detail/0,,10355~245853,00.html

[The Swede]

Ok, I dont feel like "fighting" with you guys anymore. Let us be friends but allow eachother to have different favourite players. I still like Ajax alot and dont want to disturbe the peace in this part of the forum. OK?

[Azerkid]

That's fine by me ;)

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Swede
Ok, I dont feel like "fighting" with you guys anymore. Let us be friends but allow eachother to have different favourite players. I still like Ajax alot and dont want to disturbe the peace in this part of the forum. OK?

That's cool with me. It's just that you need to understand that Ajax aren't the richest club in the world and they sometimes need to sell their best talent to survive. Hopefully they can keep Zlatan, Chivu, Van der Vaart and Mido over the next few seasons and make a run at the CL.

[The Swede]

Great. I really dont know exactly what happened but I got a bit offended by something and then became more and more pizzed but Im not like that usually so lets forget the quarrell and "talk" like friends. I really hope Zlatan will do good things for Ajax and I believe that this could be the season to do it. I havent seen that much of Van der Vaart but the little I've seen was to say atleast impressing. But isnt he a bit weak/small? Perhaps he isnt, but he looked a bit fragile when he dribbled around all those huge defenders. What price would you say he is valued to?

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Swede
Great. I really dont know exactly what happened but I got a bit offended by something and then became more and more pizzed but Im not like that usually so lets forget the quarrell and "talk" like friends. I really hope Zlatan will do good things for Ajax and I believe that this could be the season to do it. I havent seen that much of Van der Vaart but the little I've seen was to say atleast impressing. But isnt he a bit weak/small? Perhaps he isnt, but he looked a bit fragile when he dribbled around all those huge defenders. What price would you say he is valued to?

Roberto Baggio was small and he won titles with a bunch of clubs in Italy. I don't think size matters so much. Anyway, I'd say he's valued between 10-12 million pounds.

Zlatan may not be sold if Ajax sell Chivu instead.

[Azerkid]

yes 10-12 pounds i would go with that but also depends on what kind of year he has now.

Hopefully a good one :D

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Azerkid
yes 10-12 pounds i would go with that but also depends on what kind of year he has now.

Hopefully a good one :D

ONLY 10-12 POUNDS!!! I'd buy him for that much. I thought Ajax wanted 10 million pounds at least! ;)

[Azerkid]

No i'm talking about his weight :silly:

[The Swede]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


ONLY 10-12 POUNDS!!! I'd buy him for that much. I thought Ajax wanted 10 million pounds at least! ;)

Hehehe. But Baggio is and has mostly been a bit "wide" (if you can call it that...). So Van der Vaart aint that weak. Because if not then hes looking really good! He hasnt played in the NT yet, has he?

[Azerkid]

i beleive he has 1 cap.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Swede


Hehehe. But Baggio is and has mostly been a bit "wide" (if you can call it that...). So Van der Vaart aint that weak. Because if not then hes looking really good! He hasnt played in the NT yet, has he?

Perhaps Advocaat will give him a chance this season.

[timaloy]

Didn't read all this thread, but just one point for Azerkid. You are an idiot if you think Chris Sutton is no good. Obviously out there in the States you don't see the SPL, but did you not see his performances against Ajax and Juventus last year? He is and was outstanding.

When he was pushed up front in the recent friendly, he gave Chivu (who had been having a comfortable game) a torrid time.
Sutton scored over twenty goals a season in the much-hyped EPL. Why do you think he was bought for Ten Million in the first place, because he couldn't perform at the top level? Vialli's system didn't suit him and he suffered due to a lack of form and confidence.

He actually found scoring easier in the EPL, but his all-round game has improved brilliantly and his partnership with Henrik is excellent. Watch them in the CL this year and eat your words.

Celtic would BTW flourish in EPL and be challenging for the title very quickly. Increased revenue from TV and the stronger league would quickly attract the top stars to Celtic Park. If youi don't believe this Azerkid, you are an ignoramus with little clue of Celtic or it's history.

[timaloy]

And Azulgrana, your idea that Celtic would be spanked is also bollox. We have been beating EPL teams for fun in 'friendly' matches recently which have been anything but friendlies.

[The Swede]

Oooh no, It's gonna be another war. This time AJAX vs CELTIC! We will never have peace in this thread...

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by timaloy
Didn't read all this thread, but just one point for Azerkid. You are an idiot if you think Chris Sutton is no good. Obviously out there in the States you don't see the SPL, but did you not see his performances against Ajax and Juventus last year? He is and was outstanding.

When he was pushed up front in the recent friendly, he gave Chivu (who had been having a comfortable game) a torrid time.
Sutton scored over twenty goals a season in the much-hyped EPL. Why do you think he was bought for Ten Million in the first place, because he couldn't perform at the top level? Vialli's system didn't suit him and he suffered due to a lack of form and confidence.

He actually found scoring easier in the EPL, but his all-round game has improved brilliantly and his partnership with Henrik is excellent. Watch them in the CL this year and eat your words.

Celtic would BTW flourish in EPL and be challenging for the title
very quickly. Increased revenue from TV and the stronger league would quickly attract the top stars to Celtic Park. If youi don't
believe this Azerkid, you are an ignoramus with little clue of Celtic or it's history.

Hahahaha, you're so silly.

Celtic beat teams like Aberdeen, Dundee, Kilmarnock and other little SPL crap teams, the only team in SPL thats decent and is NOT bring to watch is Rangers becasue everybody knows they have more taent then you guys unless you consider Sutton a "real" player then you should go look in the history books and find out whose been more dominant Rangers or Celtic in last 5 years.

Ajax always done better than Celtic in everything and always had better players, i dont think i have to name all.

BTW who won the allmost every cup that can be won in mid 90's? AJAX, and what did Celtic do? NOTHING.

About TV in the States, i think we guys have as much of football as you guys in Scotland...... BTW, they do show Celtic and SPL here in states and that what i dont like about it..... I
think SPL is a waste of peoples time when Fox Sports Wolrd could sign a contract with the La liga.

And do watch EPL a lot and i see how they play in EPL, compared to SPL its 100x better i dont see a team like Celtic survivng there.

[timaloy]

You are clearly beneath arguing with. Celtic have won four trophies out of the last six in Scotland including the SPL twice.

We have won three titles out of the last five so get it right up ye!!
You are an idiot.

Are you from Amsterdam? If not, then it seems utterly pathetic to claim a Dutch club's triumphs as your own.

[The Swede]

Knew it... Its war again and I like it. :evil:

[timaloy]

Football history Azerkid? You don't have a clue on this front. Between 1967 and the rise of Ajax in the early seventies, Celtic were the best club side in Europe, becoming the first British team to lift the European Cup.

We have also beaten Ajax the last two times we have met them in competition, 1982 and last year (do you remember that or is that still too difficult for you?).

[Azerkid]

Youre calling me an idiot and this coming from a Highlander?

Any youre talking about thier succes in 1967? Hahaha. why go so long back, why not go back as far as 10 years? Oh yeah icompletely forgot Celtic didnt do anything beside win SPL (tough league) but by beating teams from 10.000 capacity stadiums called Dundee and Aberdeen.

BTW you have clearly avoided my arguement on Ajax succes and the EPL???? why's that?... because im right?

And oh yeah what does it matter if i am from Amsterdam or not? Is it illegal in Scotland to root for a foreighn club?

[BLAUGRANA]

:eek: I'm staying out of this one! I think both clubs are great clubs and I'll leave it at that.

[timaloy]

I don't live near the Highlands at all. I have little interest in Ajax and came on to the forum to defend Chris Sutton and Celtic from misinformed and childish attacks.

Azerkid, you clearly have a blinkered approach to football, and therefore I will not argue with you. Suffice to say, I've made my point. Maybe, one day, you will be able to make an informed and reasoned argument.

[The Swede]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
:eek: I'm staying out of this one! I think both clubs are great clubs and I'll leave it at that.

True that. Celtic rule in Scotland and Ajax in Holland. Just as Chelsea rule England. :D

[Azerkid]

I dont have tie to argue either especially with a person like you because i have more things to do instead of having pointless arguements with you. Another reason is because i dont give a care about a team such as Celtics nor do i care about Sutton.

So lets have peace in this form for once.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by The Swede


True that. Celtic rule in Scotland and Ajax in Holland. Just as Chelsea rule England. :D

I'm sure Gers, PSV, Feyenoord, Man Utd, Liverfool and Arsehole might have something to say about this! :D

[The Swede]

Ajax 2 v 1 Man Utd

Scorers (Ajax):

Sikora 40
Ibrahimovic 75 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Man Utd:
Scholes 77

[Azerkid]

Whoooohooo!!!!

Van Der Vaart and Van der Meyde played great in the mid, they set-up Zlatan well.

Sikora was impressive to scoring from the free-kick, and Zlatan played well too, but one thing i didn't like was Zlatan's temper, it's immature but i hope he grows up.

Forza Ajax !!!!!!

[Azerkid]

A bit late: :(

Ajax 4-3 Barca

[The Swede]

Originally posted by Azerkid
A bit late: :(

Ajax 4-3 Barca

Who scored???

[Azerkid]

Barca:
Saviola
Saviola
Kluivert

Ajax:
Mido
Van Der Vaart
Van Der Vaart
Witschge

[The Swede]

Ok, thanks.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Azerkid
Whoooohooo!!!!

Van Der Vaart and Van der Meyde played great in the mid, they set-up Zlatan well.

Sikora was impressive to scoring from the free-kick, and Zlatan played well too, but one thing i didn't like was Zlatan's temper, it's immature but i hope he grows up.

Forza Ajax !!!!!!

Did you see the game?

[Roberto Abrego]

he is not that inmature....he is a little bit hot temperate...


I think that u guys r finally seeing Zlatans great talent ;)

[BLAUGRANA]

Zlatan and Mido are really firing in the goals this preseason! I think Ajax are going to be quite good this season. We'll see how long Koeman can hold on to the likes of Zlatan, Van der Vaart and Chivu.

[BLAUGRANA]

Ajax have won their first trophy! They won the annual Amsterdam tournament! A great tourney as their are top teams in it every year. Hopefully this will be a sign of things to come this season!

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


Did you see the game?

Nah, Only the higlights from SkySport News, but I like what I saw ;)

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Azerkid


Nah, Only the higlights from SkySport News, but I like what I saw ;)

Ahhh, I see. I unfortunately wont' have Sky again until I move into my new place.

[BLAUGRANA]

Ajax have bagged yet another trophy this preseason. They beat PSV today to win the Johan Cruyff trophy/Dutch Supercup. PSV took the early lead through Kezman, but Van der Vaart scored a brace with Mido adding the third for Ajax to prevail 3-1. The team really sounds prepared for the coming season. Hopefully this preseason is a sign of things to come.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
Ajax have bagged yet another trophy this preseason. They beat PSV today to win the Johan Cruyff trophy/Dutch Supercup. PSV took the early lead through Kezman, but Van der Vaart scored a brace with Mido adding the third for Ajax to prevail 3-1. The team really sounds prepared for the coming season. Hopefully this preseason is a sign of things to come.

Man, were awesome!!!, if we continue like this we will win everything in Holland, and probably be in the quarters or semis of CL :D ;)

If we can hold to this team for atleast 3 more years we will be even better than the Ajax of the mid 90's.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Azerkid


Man, were awesome!!!, if we continue like this we will win everything in Holland, and probably be in the quarters or semis of CL :D ;)

If we can hold to this team for atleast 3 more years we will be even better than the Ajax of the mid 90's.

Yeah, I think we'll surprise some people in Europe this season.

I think Ajax will be close to the team of the mid 90's if we can keep the current squad together, but not better. That was a great side throughout, one of those once in a blue moon generations.