Ajax players

[BLAUGRANA]

With so many great players playing over the years for Ajax, we should have no trouble coming up with points of discussion. From Van Basten to Van Der Vaart, the greats just keep coming.

[DRUMan]

I think this year,you probably will have 3 brazukas...

[DRUMan]

Is he playing well in Ajax?He was playing in my Cruzeiro...

[Roberto Abrego]

and Wamberto

[Roberto Abrego]

and Wamberto :(

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by DRUMan
I think this year,you probably will have 3 brazukas...

Brazukas?..... Hehe, I like that :D

[DRUMan]

How is he in Ajax?He was too young when he went from Cruzeiro...

[BLAUGRANA]

Knopper has been loaned out to Aris Salonika of Greece. Let's hope he does well there and returns to win a place in the Ajax side for next season.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid


Brazukas?..... Hehe, I like that :D


I hate that nick!


It sounds stupids....

[just4ajax]

A friend asked me : why are there so many international players in Ajax team ( not many Dutch players..)? when will they have the perfect Dutch players like in past?

His opinion wasn't right totally, maybe!, but somehow he wasn't wrong...???

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by just4ajax
A friend asked me : why are there so many international players in Ajax team ( not many Dutch players..)? when will they have the perfect Dutch players like in past?

His opinion wasn't right totally, maybe!, but somehow he wasn't wrong...???

They traditionally have a fair share of internationals. Right now though they do seem to have a bit more.

[Roberto Abrego]

and we dont have many dutch playing at 1st team....

just:Andy Van der Meyde,Rafael Van der Vaart...are the only ones I can say anyone else??

[just4ajax]

yes...all of Ajax players now play well, i think. But go ahead, i still look forward to seeing more Dutch players from youth training system. Wait..and hope!

[byzantium21]

knopper has really impressed in the pre-season. do you know if aris has a n otion to buy him or extend the loan?

also i heard that machlas wants to leave because the coach doesn't plan on using him. however they have him priced overpriced and so noone will be able to touch him.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by byzantium21
knopper has really impressed in the pre-season. do you know if aris has a n otion to buy him or extend the loan?

also i heard that machlas wants to leave because the coach doesn't plan on using him. however they have him priced overpriced and so noone will be able to touch him.

I'm sure Knopper is for sale.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by byzantium21
knopper has really impressed in the pre-season. do you know if aris has a n otion to buy him or extend the loan?

also i heard that machlas wants to leave because the coach doesn't plan on using him. however they have him priced overpriced and so noone will be able to touch him.


we should sell him he is not the golden boot winner he was...now we have Zlatan ;) we dont need him...

[just4ajax]

That sounds good. This swedish player may be born to play football. It's impressive in his history and his confidence ( Oops!)
And Zlatan is one of the best players of Ajax, i think.

[Roberto Abrego]

me 2 I think he is the best striker of the team...even thought most of the Ajax fans at this board dont believe it

[just4ajax]

why not?

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by just4ajax
why not?

Because we have Mido too, and he's scoring just as much as Zlatan.

[just4ajax]

okie, they are ...equal..hih

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


Because we have Mido too, and he's scoring just as much as Zlatan.

Mido got more goals so far ;), just remiding not trying to start World War 3

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Azerkid


Mido got more goals so far ;), just remiding not trying to start World War 3

Yeah, me too. :D

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid


Mido got more goals so far ;), just remiding not trying to start World War 3


:D


Mido usually gots more playing time....

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



:D


Mido usually gots more playing time....

Not this pre-season/season though. Besides, wouldn't that logically mean that he's the better player? Aww, nevermind. I don't want to get into this whole thing again. :D

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


Not this pre-season/season though. Besides, wouldn't that logically mean that he's the better player? Aww, nevermind. I don't want to get into this whole thing again. :D


not exactly...

look Ole Gunnar Solskjaer,and Emanuel Petit(when he played for us)

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



not exactly...

look Ole Gunnar Solskjaer,and Emanuel Petit(when he played for us)

Solskjaer isn't better than RVN, and only reason he's on the bench is because Man U play 5 mids since Scholes is more of a mid than a forward.

[Roberto Abrego]

but he could be fiedled as a mid also he is better than schles...

[Roberto Abrego]

but he could be fiedled as a mid also he is better than scholes...

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
but he could be fiedled as a mid also he is better than scholes...

He won't be good in the mid field, its not his position.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid


He won't be good in the mid field, its not his position.

he plays midfield sometimes at the NT...

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
but he could be fiedled as a mid also he is better than scholes...

Who's better than Scholesy? Solskjaer? As a striker yeah, but not as a mid. Not at all as a mid.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego


he plays midfield sometimes at the NT...

But Scholes is a better mid than Ole, and Norway plays many forwards in thier mid-field and only one up front, but anyway Man U is different than Norway NT.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid


But Scholes is a better mid than Ole, and Norway plays many forwards in thier mid-field and only one up front, but anyway Man U is different than Norway NT.

i think ole is better than him also at midfield...

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego


i think ole is better than him also at midfield...

Not a chance.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego


i think ole is better than him also at midfield...

:rolleyes: Ole isnt a midfielder and not a playermaker like Scholes, and it wouldnt make sense playing a striker in the midfield in a 4-4-1-1 unless they take out RVN which will be when donkeys start to fly :rolleyes:

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid


:rolleyes: Ole isnt a midfielder and not a playermaker like Scholes, and it wouldnt make sense playing a striker in the midfield in a 4-4-1-1 unless they take out RVN which will be when donkeys start to fly :rolleyes:


i will make some donkey lies just like Chievo fans :D


Scholes is one of the worst playmakers I have ever seen...

I think he can be better if they place them on another part of the Mid..beacuse he is a very good player..

[just4ajax]

What' bout the newcomer Sikora ?

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by just4ajax
What' bout the newcomer Sikora ?

He's looked really good so far from what I've read. He sounds a like a real threat on the right and is the reason Van Der Gun is being allowed to leave. I think he just was capped for Holland too.

BTW just4ajax. You should select the Ajax avatar.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego



i will make some donkey lies just like Chievo fans :D


Scholes is one of the worst playmakers I have ever seen...

I think he can be better if they place them on another part of the Mid..beacuse he is a very good player..

Scholes is a decent playmaker. However, that's not his whole game. He's got a great shot, is a great passer of the ball and is solid defensively too. To say he's just playmaker is a bit misguided.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


Scholes is a decent playmaker. However, that's not his whole game. He's got a great shot, is a great passer of the ball and is solid defensively too. To say he's just playmaker is a bit misguided.
basically thats supposed to be his main job am I wrong?

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


He's looked really good so far from what I've read. He sounds a like a real threat on the right and is the reason Van Der Gun is being allowed to leave. I think he just was capped for Holland too.

BTW just4ajax. You should select the Ajax avatar.


he wa capped along time ago,he played on 2001 for the NT....


and he is being impressive with us...

[PopA]

ejem
ALL HAIL VAN DER VAART!:smoking:

[just4ajax]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


He's looked really good so far from what I've read. He sounds a like a real threat on the right and is the reason Van Der Gun is being allowed to leave. I think he just was capped for Holland too.


Yeah, i heard he's good player....
Originally on Ajax usa: "Victor Sikora (born 11 April 1978 in Deventer, The Netherlands) is often compared to Holland and former Ajax star Marc Overmars. Both are fast, both are short, both are left wingers but use their right foot more often than their left, both were born in the central eastern part of The Netherlands, and both started their career as a professional footballer at Go Ahead Eagles, after having gone through the prestigious youth system of the Deventer side."

Then i thought..ale..like Marc's shadow :D :D :D

[nisse]

So what have Zzzlatan made that is so great?
Everyone here in Sweden are extatic about Ibrahim but I am not so impressed. So what he can dribble the ball(?), is he really a true goalgetter?Tell me Ajaxfans!

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by nisse
So what have Zzzlatan made that is so great?
Everyone here in Sweden are extatic about Ibrahim but I am not so impressed. So what he can dribble the ball(?), is he really a true goalgetter?Tell me Ajaxfans!
First of all, welcome to the WSB nisse! :D I hope you like it. Make sure you post in the introductions forum.

I think he's pretty good and will get better. You actually missed our big discussion (bordering on a war of words) over him. I think he's got a decent all around game, especially for a big guy. The main thing that concerns me about him is that he's got a reputation for being a troublemaker. That wont' matter though cause Koeman wont' put up with anybodys BS.

[just4ajax]

Originally posted by nisse
So what have Zzzlatan made that is so great?
Everyone here in Sweden are extatic about Ibrahim but I am not so impressed. So what he can dribble the ball(?), is he really a true goalgetter?Tell me Ajaxfans!
I can tell you how Zlatan's impressed me by some info of him:

+ History:
Zlatan got his first pair of football shoes at the age of five. He brought them where ever he went. It was obvious that this kid had the potential to become a great football player. At the age of 10, playing for Balkan's 12-year olds in a game against Vellinge, Zlatan was put on the bench for the first half. Balkan was down 4-0. In the second half, Zlatan came in and scored 8 goals and Balkan won 8-5. Vellinge protested because they where convinced Zlatan was older than 12, when he in fact was two years younger than the rest of the players. Balkan even had to show up Zlatan's birth certificate to convince them of his age.
Football took up more and more of his time. He was supposed to take classes during his last year in school over a period of two years, but that did not suite the restless Zlatan who dreamed of a career as a professional footballer.
In December 2000, Arsene Wenger tried to persuade him to join Arsenal and even had a shirt printed with number 9 and Zlatan's name on the back. However, Malmö FF were reluctant to sell Ibrahimovic as they had just won promotion to the Swedish top division Allsvenskan. Zlatan scored 12 goals in the 2000 season and was the brightest new star of the club.

+ How did he come to Ajax:
On March 9, 2001, Zlatan made a spectacular goal during Malmö FF training camp in Spain, right in front of Leo Beenhakker of Ajax. That was enough for Beenhakker who immedeately wanted the talent to join his club. And finally Ajax won the race for his signature. On March 22, 2001 the deal was announced and Zlatan became the most expensive player to come from Sweden. Malmö had accepted Ajax 85 million SEK offer and he joined the Amsterdam club in July 2001.

+ What did he do...
Zlatan struggled during 2002 for a chance in the starting line up in Ajax, but found himself stuck on the bench for several games. He played well during the end of the season, but did not manage to secure a position as first striker. On May 5th Zlatan became Dutch champion as Ajax beat NEC with 0-2. In total Zlatan scored 6 goals in 24 games (12 from start) during his first season in Ajax. He was selected as one of 23 players for the Swedish squad in the World Cup this summer.

+ And more....
There have been speculations in media during the spring about what club Zlatan will play in next season. Roma, Milan and others have shown interest, but Ajax technical director Leo Beenhakker announced in May that negotiations with Roma have been closed and Zlatan will stay in Ajax after the World Cup.

+ His confidence:
After being the hero of the game when Malmö FF beat Ljungskile 1-0, Zlatan then 18 said "I will play in the European Championships in 2004. If I continue to develop the way I have done so far, I am aiming for the World Cup. No, I promise that I will be present at the World Cup in Japan. Me and Osmanovski will be on top."
( hehe..even though his ..promise didn't come true, but it's well worth! Everyone can be ambitious!!! ).:D :)

[Azerkid]

Nice piece of information, just4ajax ;)

I think Zlatan is a good striker, and very complete, but he does have some weaknesses, for example a guy his size he plays more like a midfielder, instead of an goalgetting striker machine, and isnt a big presence in the box but a presence by his dribbling, he sort of reminds of Henry although not as fast and is much taller.
Overall Z is a great striker in his own way.

[PopA]

if sensi wasn't such a cheap bastard, we could have bought zlatan!

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by PopA
if sensi wasn't such a cheap bastard, we could have bought zlatan!

Sensi should have told Capello he's selling Montella and then you could have had Zlatan. I think Capello has just wasted Montella at Roma and Montella would do better elsewhere, like say... INTER!

[PopA]

i truly doubt it.... wait a sec zul, i was reading some posts in inter forum and for some strange reason, some interistas are actually sad that crespo joined inter and ronnie left! WTF?!?!? look the three most dangerous strikers in italy are in order:
1) shevchenko
2)Crespo
3)Bobo
and then montella :D

[nisse]

Thanks for info just4ajax!
Very intresting reading, it´s just that Zlatan have taken enormusly proportions here in Sweden, without ever have produced anything internationally.
He are a great talent tough, and I think Ajax is the best place for the little guy to be in...

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by PopA
i truly doubt it.... wait a sec zul, i was reading some posts in inter forum and for some strange reason, some interistas are actually sad that crespo joined inter and ronnie left! WTF?!?!? look the three most dangerous strikers in italy are in order:
1) shevchenko
2)Crespo
3)Bobo
and then montella :D

Hehe. Let me guess Pop, you and Severus go at one another all the time don't you. :D

Here's my take on Inter's situation. I'd have preferred Montella to anyone else in the Serie A who I would consider as being available. Crespo is a very good striker and his record in the Serie A speaks for itself. I have a few problems with him though. For starters, he's been a bit injury prone the past season or two. After dealing with Il Mercenario (and BTW, i've never liked him and never will) on the treatment table season after season, I don't wanna see the guy who we brought in to replace him do the same. Second, he's Argentinian and plays for his NT. Inter already have a lot of South American players and I don't like them because they are always being called away for NT duties at the most inopportune times. Then there's the matter of many of them having a loyalty problem. Ronaldo isn't the first. Third, MONTELLA. I'm a big fan of Montella and think that Capello has really just wasted him the last two seasons. Montella's loyalty to Roma has been pretty good considering the way he's been treated by Capello. I also think he'd be the perfect foil for Bobo and that the two would compliment one another well. Also, Montella has scored some very big goals for Roma when they needed him most and IMO practically carried them on his back the year they won the Scudetto. And that was just from coming off the bench. Oh, and I don't want to forget my fourth and most important reason why i'm not thrilled with the Crespo deal. NESTA! :mad: I really wanted him. I like Cannavaro better (meaning I like him better, not that he's a better player), but I wanted them both. If you really went back and dug throught the 100+ pages of the transfers/rumours thread on the Inter board, you'd see I posted this back at the beginning of the summer and took heavy criticism for it (for thinking we could have both players). Well, now it seems it would have been possible after all. If we had brought him in, we could have stayed with Bobo and Recoba with Kallon and Corradi as backups until the January transfer window or even next summer. After all, Inter had a very good season last year and that was with Bobo, Kallon and Ventola doing the business as strikers for most of the season.

Either way though, the Crespo deal should work out well for Inter. I think we got good money for Il Mercenario considering the circumstances and that Crespo was a decent buy. I'm just not THRILLED is all. Does that make sense?

Oh yeah, you got that order of the best strikers in Italy wrong. Bobo should be at the top. 21 goals in 24 games last season. The defense rests. :D

BTW, nice to sort of/finally meet you PopA.

[Azerkid]

Where is Di Vaio on that list??? :rolleyes:

I wonder if Sev gonna be forced to like this goat too, just like with Trezegay.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Azerkid
Where is Di Vaio on that list??? :rolleyes:

I wonder if Sev gonna be forced to like this goat too, just like with Trezegay.

Woohoo!!!! 1000th post and I did it on the Ajax forum :D

[just4ajax]

Originally posted by Azerkid
Nice piece of information, just4ajax ;)

I think Zlatan is a good striker, and very complete, but he does have some weaknesses, for example a guy his size he plays more like a midfielder, instead of an goalgetting striker machine, and isnt a big presence in the box but a presence by his dribbling, he sort of reminds of Henry although not as fast and is much taller.
Overall Z is a great striker in his own way.

I didn't mean he's perfect. Nobody is perfect! Besides, Swedish football is defferent from Dutch football. If he has some weaknesses, he may need more time to get over :p

[just4ajax]

Originally posted by nisse
and I think Ajax is the best place for the little guy to be in...

Just relatively speaking, because a footballer is little guy for someone but not..little for others. I mean, who knows when and in what club his ability will be showed, indeed.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Azerkid


Woohoo!!!! 1000th post and I did it on the Ajax forum :D

Congrats on #1000 bud! :D

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by just4ajax


Just relatively speaking, because a footballer is little guy for someone but not..little for others. I mean, who knows when and in what club his ability will be showed, indeed.

Hopefully it will be with Ajax.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid
Nice piece of information, just4ajax ;)

I think Zlatan is a good striker, and very complete, but he does have some weaknesses, for example a guy his size he plays more like a midfielder, instead of an goalgetting striker machine, and isnt a big presence in the box but a presence by his dribbling, he sort of reminds of Henry although not as fast and is much taller.
Overall Z is a great striker in his own way.

but he can be a lethal weapon when he is in the box.....

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego


but he can be a lethal weapon when he is in the box.....

Yes but not alot for a guy his size

[BLAUGRANA]

Van der Vaart was hurt in the Euro 2004 qualifier versus Belarus. He could be out for 6-10 weeks. It's his knee. Isn't that what kept him out last season, his knee?

Any word on Mido? He got a knock a week or so ago. I hope he'll be ready for the CL games.

[PopA]

:(

[soccer fanatic]

Since this thread is used for Ajax players I just want to say that I`m impressed with the progress Hatem Trabelsi made the last two years. He is truly incredible. :)

Same goes for Maxwell and O`Brien.

(Everybody knows about Chivu and Van der Vaart so I`m not going to state the obvious.)

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
Van der Vaart was hurt in the Euro 2004 qualifier versus Belarus. He could be out for 6-10 weeks. It's his knee. Isn't that what kept him out last season, his knee?


Yes, but his other knee. Perhaps it could have been worse.
Too bad, he played a great 12 minutes for Holland.

Sorry for the late answer. :)

[just4ajax]

Firstly, it's about Litmanen. He was very famous player in Amsterdam, especially in 1992-1993. He was known as one of best players in "Hall of fame ". I heard that many familes named their children Jari, even some icecream shops, greeting cards,..etc...Is it true?
In fact, in that period i was ..small so i didn't know anything 'bout this player. If you know any info, tell me Soccer .

[just4ajax]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic



Sorry for the late answer. :)

..g..o..o.d, full of responsibility :cool:

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by just4ajax
Firstly, it's about Litmanen. He was very famous player in Amsterdam, especially in 1992-1993. He was known as one of best players in "Hall of fame ". I heard that many familes named their children Jari, even some icecream shops, greeting cards,..etc...Is it true?
In fact, in that period i was ..small so i didn't know anything 'bout this player. If you know any info, tell me Soccer .

I don`t know exactly what you want to know but if you miss anything in my answer, just ask.

Jari Litmanen came to Ajax in the season 1992-1993. He was at that point only backup for Dennis Bergkamp. Jari was the one who should replace Dennis if he left, and chances were he would leave soon. And he did. Jari became Ajax number 10 player and performed during his time in Amsterdam incredibly well. He scored a lot (including 13 in CL) and became Ajax most popular player.
Not only because he played great, but also because of his off the pitch behaviour. He always was friendly and a true pro, on and off the pitch. Highlight ofcourse was the 1994-1995 season, when Ajax won everything (Trainer Louis van Gaal). In this period a lot of parents called there kids Jari. (You were right about that.) Ofcourse in 1999 he went to Barca, and later to Liverpool. His last visit in the Arena before he went to Barca, is the most emtional one I ever saw. Even when he left, he remained very populair, which was shown when he visited the Amsterdam Tournament with Liverpool. When they announced Litmanen came back people were very happy. He just played his first match again and he played great. Together with Van der Vaart (when he gets back from his injury) they will rule midfield.
I don`t know about the icecreamshops though, I`m not from Amsterdam.
This gives me a great chance to get my Litmanen shirt of the wall.... ...

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Since this thread is used for Ajax players I just want to say that I`m impressed with the progress Hatem Trabelsi made the last two years. He is truly incredible. :)

Same goes for Maxwell and O`Brien.

(Everybody knows about Chivu and Van der Vaart so I`m not going to state the obvious.)

I'm very impressed with O' Brien. He had a great WC for the States too. I hope he sticks around for a while. He'd be foolish to jump ship for England or Scotland as he's got CL ball with Ajax.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA

I'm very impressed with O' Brien. He had a great WC for the States too. I hope he sticks around for a while. He'd be foolish to jump ship for England or Scotland as he's got CL ball with Ajax.

You should be, I always wonder why in polls no one votes for him as best American player. Probably because Reyna plays in a more known league.
He`s great, he doesn`t play on his best position at Ajax (central midfield right?) but at left back. Love to keep him with Ajax for as long as possible. All dutch Ajax fans think he is great. True pro.

Did you know he speaks fluent Dutch?

His Dutch is better than mine. :D

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


You should be, I always wonder why in polls no one votes for him as best American player. Probably because Reyna plays in a more known league.
He`s great, he doesn`t play on his best position at Ajax (central midfield right?) but at left back. Love to keep him with Ajax for as long as possible. All dutch Ajax fans think he is great. True pro.

Did you know he speaks fluent Dutch?

His Dutch is better than mine. :D

I had no idea he spoke Dutch! Impressive indeed for one of us Yanks. He has said he'd like to go to Celtic someday. It's an Irish thing I guess. BTW, I always vote for him in those polls! :D

[just4ajax]

It seems in usa football is not popular very much? Except for Eddy ( in past ), now i just can see only one American player playing for Ajax. Or due to the defferent style between Dutch & u.s. football....

[PopA]

i think that after yesterday's game, Zlatan is proving himself to all the none believers!

[ItalianBoy]

Zlatan Ibrahimovic might be a drunk crazy ass driver but he sure got future! :D

About O'Brien, I saw him play and I have to say he is not bad. I think he should stay with Ajax.
American MLS soccer is going down so bad. Before they used to show SOME games on ESPN, now they are doing so bad that you have to buy the whole packet in order to watch them. Instead I hear that FOX got the Liga cuz their foreign soccer is having a lot of success. Kinda balanced I guess.
Americans could be good in soccer if they wanted, its just that a lot of time, IMO, has to pass before that happens. Too much biz involved and some people :rolleyes: .......................well you know what I mean.;) :)

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
Zlatan Ibrahimovic might be a drunk crazy ass driver but he sure got future! :D

About O'Brien, I saw him play and I have to say he is not bad. I think he should stay with Ajax.
American MLS soccer is going down so bad. Before they used to show SOME games on ESPN, now they are doing so bad that you have to buy the whole packet in order to watch them. Instead I hear that FOX got the Liga cuz their foreign soccer is having a lot of success. Kinda balanced I guess.
Americans could be good in soccer if they wanted, its just that a lot of time, IMO, has to pass before that happens. Too much biz involved and some people :rolleyes: .......................well you know what I mean.;) :)
he is not as bad as u said...
atleast he said sorry to koeman :)

[just4ajax]

Originally posted by ItalianBoy
Americans could be good in soccer if they wanted, its just that a lot of time, IMO, has to pass before that happens. Too much biz involved and some people :rolleyes: .......................well you know what I mean.;) :)

No

[soccer fanatic]

Ferdi Vierklau just left the club, Ajax and Ferdi decided to terminate the contract. Because of injuries he wasn`t able to get a place in the first team. Ferdi joined Ajax in 1999. With already players like Trabelsi, Heitinga and young talent De Jong the competition was to big for a place in the first team.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Ferdi Vierklau just left the club, Ajax and Ferdi decided to terminate the contract. Because of injuries he wasn`t able to get a place in the first team. Ferdi joined Ajax in 1999. With already players like Trabelsi, Heitinga and young talent De Jong the competition was to big for a place in the first team.

Id never liked him...and he is old already

and Hatem Trabelsi is a great player...

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego


Id never liked him...and he is old already

and Hatem Trabelsi is a great player...

Vierklau was getting on in years. I don't mind him leaving.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


Old??? He's only 25! Besides, Koeman says he wants him and that's good enough for me.

Vierklau is not 25 he is older!

and Trabelsi is about tu turn 25...

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego


Vierklau is not 25 he is older!

and Trabelsi is about tu turn 25...

LOL! I just edited my post. I thought I was in the rumours thread and we were talking about Melchiot.

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA


LOL! I just edited my post. I thought I was in the rumours thread and we were talking about Melchiot.
ok no problem :)

[soccer fanatic]

If he is fit, Vierklau can be pretty good, problem is however, he never is fit, his salary is very high too. Although I like him, its good he is gone, he didn`t give anything extra to Ajax, considering the players we already have.

[soccer fanatic]

Today Brutil Hose (striker) left the club in the same way as Vierklau. His contract was terminated. I won`t miss him.... I didn`t like him. I wish all of luck in finding a new team ofcourse.
too bad...

He never could reach the level of play he has got in the CM 2000/2001 game. :D

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Today Brutil Hose (striker) left the club in the same way as Vierklau. His contract was terminated. I won`t miss him.... I didn`t like him. I wish all of luck in finding a new team ofcourse.
too bad...

He never could reach the level of play he has got in the CM 2000/2001 game. :D

Letting the two players go this week helps to trim the wage bill. I think Koeman is making room for a possible winter signing.

[PopA]

hey guys! been a while since i was round here!
erm my thoughts over the last weeks
1) two Zlatan goals in the CL!
2) Vierklau is 29 years old - not under 25
3) Trabelsi is 25, tunisian and a pretty good right back
4) Brutil Hose WAS overrated in Championship manager!


and that's about all i have to say - GOOD RIDDANCE

[Roberto Abrego]

I now Vierklau is not 25 i now he is 29....

and Trabelsi is about the be 25...

[BLAUGRANA]

I meant that Melchiot is 25.

[Roberto Abrego]

I now

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Roberto Abrego
I now

I was talking to Pop A.

[Roberto Abrego]

oh sorry...

[soccer fanatic]

Since this the thread for Ajax players I want to compliment Tomas Gakasek. He plays great and with a lot of passion. He almost never misses a game, and sometimes scores a great goal. His passing, tackling, shooting and condition are all great. Because he is surrounded by players like Chivu, Van der Vaart and Litmanen, almost nobody mentions him, so I do. He is not the kind of player who does a lot to get some positive comments from press or club(s). He is just a pro who only wants to perform well, and he does.
Thank you Galasek for your contribution to Ajax and let`s hope you keep it up.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Since this the thread for Ajax players I want to compliment Tomas Gakasek. He plays great and with a lot of passion. He almost never misses a game, and sometimes scores a great goal. His passing, tackling, shooting and condition are all great. Because he is surrounded by players like Chivu, Van der Vaart and Litmanen, almost nobody mentions him, so I do. He is not the kind of player who does a lot to get some positive comments from press or club(s). He is just a pro who only wants to perform well, and he does.
Thank you Galasek for your contribution to Ajax and let`s hope you keep it up.

Nice post. I wholeheartedly agree with you. He's a very important player for the club and doesn't nearly get the attention he deserves.

[BLAUGRANA]

Galasek has been called up for the Czech Republic's next two Euro 2004 qualifiers.

[soccer fanatic]

They would be a fool not to, great for Galasek ofcourse.
Is the second one against us, Holland? I have no idea.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
They would be a fool not to, great for Galasek ofcourse.
Is the second one against us, Holland? I have no idea.

No, I think that game is after those two. I'm too lazy to go check right now. :D

[BLAUGRANA]

Here it is, it's from the Uefa.com magazine:



Big time beckons for Litmanen's Ajax
Friday 4 October 2002
By Marcus Christenson

Finnish international Jari Litmanen signed for AFC Ajax from Liverpool FC on transfer deadline day at the end of August - but despite only being back in Amsterdam for a few weeks, he believes the four-times European champions are ready to compete with the continent's finest again.

Young talent
Ajax have not won the UEFA Champions League since 1995 but Litmanen, who played for the Amsterdam club from 1992 to 1999 before joining FC Barcelona, is encouraged by the amount of talent at the club.

'The big time'
"I think Ajax are ready to return to the big time," he told uefa.com. "The club is part of European football history with its past victories and I am convinced that this team is good enough to emulate the team in the 1990s that won the Champions League.

'We will be challengers'
"We still need time, that is for sure, and I don't think anyone is expecting us to win the tournament this season, but give this team another year or two and we will be challengers, maybe even as soon as next season."

Vital experience
Ajax won the Eredivisie last season for the first time in four years and, while Litmanen was still at Anfield then, the 31-year-old is convinced that Champions League experience will make the team even stronger this season.

Youthful squad
He said: "I can't really compare to last season but all players need experience and that is maybe the only thing this team is lacking. We have probably got the youngest team at this level and we will just have to hope that the players get as much experience as possible, as soon as possible."

Sea of talent
Ajax coach Ronald Koeman has a sea of talent at his disposal with captain Cristian Chivu, midfield players Maxwell, Andy van der Meyde and Rafael van der Vaart as well as strikers Ahmed 'Mido' Hossam and Zlatan Ibrahimovic all under 23. But then there is also experience with Aron Winter, Richard Witschge and, of course, Litmanen at the club.

'No substitute for hard work'
Litmanen said: "I think that we have the right mix at the club at the moment. It is important to have some players with experience and of course we can teach the younger players some things but there really is no substitute for hard work. There isn't a secret formula that makes you a good footballer, it is just lots and lots of hard work, that's the only way you can succeed."

Praise for Ibrahimovic
Ibrahimovic has already impressed Litmanen, who said: "He is very talented and had a good game in the Champions League against Internazionale [FC] recently. He didn't score in that game but you can't expect to win every game and score in every game. The good thing about this club is that Zlatan isn't the only talented youngster, there are so many others around as well."

Favourite position
Litmanen is pleased to be back playing after being used sparingly by Liverpool coach Gérard Houllier, and Koeman has asked him to play in his favoured role, just behind a striker. He impressed against Inter at the San Siro and promises that there is more to come.

'I can play better'
"I have only been back in Amsterdam for two-and-a-half weeks, and I have been ill during that time as well," he said. "So I am pleased with what I have done so far but I also know that I can play better than this." The rest of Europe can take that as a warning.

[soccer fanatic]

Great article, very interesting.
Thanks for posting it. Lets hope Litmanen is right.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Great article, very interesting.
Thanks for posting it. Lets hope Litmanen is right.

I think he's on to something, but that would require keeping the likes of Zlatan and Chivu around which will be tough to do.

[soccer fanatic]

I think it is simply not possible, perhaps Koeman and Litmanen can team up and tell those players Ajax can reach the highest level.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
I think it is simply not possible, perhaps Koeman and Litmanen can team up and tell those players Ajax can reach the highest level.

I don't know. I think those two are just two big for the club right now. If they somehow do something in the CL this season, that would help.

[soccer fanatic]

Yes you are right, but I hope Chivu and Van der Vaart can understand that ia a few years this squad is capable of great things.

[BLAUGRANA]

Chivu was injured while playing for Romania. :mad: Despite asking to be subsituted, the Romanian coach kept him out there! WTF was he doing!!! :fed-up: Ajax should got straight to Uefa over this one. This is totally uncalled for. I'm always siding with the clubs in the club vs county debates, and this latest incident is one of many reasons why.

[soccer fanatic]

You are so right. I didn`t hear yet that it is certain that Chivu will be out, but it is feared he could be out for up to three weeks. Ajax first wants to test if Chivu needs surgery.

I don`t blame the coach of Romania or Chivu, I blame the team doctor, he should have told Chivu he shouldn`t play. Ofcourse Chivu wants to play for his country, very understandable, and the NT coach of Romania wants him in the field since he hasn`t the knowledge the team doctor hads concerning Chivu. The team doctor should have protected Chivu and kept him out of the rest of the game.

But who is Ajax to complain? They let Chivu play with bruised ribs. That is a risk to. He is just very important for both Romania and Ajax, but the health of a player should always come first, no matter the circumstances. Also look at what happened to Heitinga.

on a positive note, john O`Brien has resumed light condition training on the field. Recovery is still far away. Don`t expect him to play in two weeks.

[Roberto Abrego]

:cry:

[soccer fanatic]

I heard Chivu doesn`t have any medical damage, just being to tyred. He needs rest but no surgery. He did play a lot of matches lately.

[BLAUGRANA]

Zlatan punched one of the Rosenborg players during last week's CL match. Leo Beenhakker had a little chat with him as a similar incident occurred last season. Beenhakker just said to chalk it up as part of the maturing process. Looks like Zlatan still has a ways to go.

[soccer fanatic]

I already gave my view on this subject in the Ajax transfers thread, but it is really time for Zlatan to get his act straight, because if he can`t control himself, I think he should leave. I have no problem with players who are fierce, but it has to be with the intention to play the ball. Zlatan just attacks people, like the double bodycheck he gave against a Rosenborg player. Why? The ball wasn`t around, that is just pure stupid.

[BLAUGRANA]

I wouldn't so much mind that he hit someone, just so long as it would be Ronaldo. Yeah, that's it. If Ajax play Real, maybe he can catch Ronaldo with a nice round-house right to the jaw and knock Ronnie's teeth back into shape. :D

Actually, I like it that he won't be pushed around. It sounds like he overreacted and is bit like Kluivert used to be, but in certain situations I wouldn't mind if he stuck up for himself. Unfortunately, this doesn't sound like it was one of those situations.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA

Actually, I like it that he won't be pushed around. It sounds like he overreacted and is bit like Kluivert used to be, but in certain situations I wouldn't mind if he stuck up for himself. Unfortunately, this doesn't sound like it was one of those situations.

If he stands his ground, that is great, but hitting other players with no need, is plain stupid. This wasn`t the first time, he has a serious problem. Overreacted to what? I really didn`t see any reason to hit the Rosenborg dude.
I heard Barca wanted him, I want him to go, but not to Barca! That wouldn`t help me, I would still be stuck with him.

[PopA]

i agree with you soccer fanatic, zlatan went completely out of line there, he just should not have done that!

btw any of you have msn emails and msn messenger?

[BLAUGRANA]

Nigel de Jong, deputizing for the injured Chivu, really impressed Koeman with his debut. The kid's only 17 and it was his debut vs Wilhelm II. Koeman seems to be hinting he'll renew his contract his contract. Here are Koemans comments from Skysports:

"We will talk with Nigel in December.

"I find it amazing how mature he is playing. He has great qualities, hardly makes mistakes and is very aggressive in tackles.

"He deserves a major boost and as such I will keep him with the A-squad.

"When a player is developing like this, it is not good for him to step back again."

[soccer fanatic]

If Koeman is positive about a player, he is serious, he isn`t that generous with compliments. Nigel deserves it, he plays at the age of seventeen with a lot skills, confidence and maturity.

Congratulations to Nigel de Jong. :)

He will achieve great things.
We have yet another new star from the Ajax youth academy.

[BLAUGRANA]

More Koeman praise for de Jong:

"I'm amazed by the maturity he's already showing and the qualities revealed in his game. He makes few errors and is aggressive in the man-to-mans".

[Severus]

any word on when he'll be returning from injury ?

[Roberto Abrego]

no idea but we need him fast!

[soccer fanatic]

Which player are you talkiing about?

[BLAUGRANA]

VDV's displays since his return from injury have earned him a well deserved recall to the NT for next week's Germany game.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
More Koeman praise for de Jong:

"I'm amazed by the maturity he's already showing and the qualities revealed in his game. He makes few errors and is aggressive in the man-to-mans".

I haven't seen de Jong in action, but is he really good I hope so, I love seeing yougsters coming from the Ajax youth academy. :D
Good luck to him. I hope him, VDV, VDM, and other youngsters will also bring a strong NT. :)

[BLAUGRANA]

Yep, and it's footballing personality of the year! :D Hopefully, he'll get Best Striker award away form Larsson next season.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
Yep, and it's footballing personality of the year! :D Hopefully, he'll get Best Striker award away form Larsson next season.

Were all the good Swedes injured, he didn`t play that good.
Congratulations none the less. :D

[soccer fanatic]

ronald Koeman told on Dutch TV he advised Aron Winter to end his career in the winter break. He is not likely to play for Ajax since he is simply not good enough, Koeman feels sympathy for his friend Aron and advised him to go out with some honour.

[BLAUGRANA]

Just how popular is this kid in Holland? I'm assuming he's the biggest thing since I don't know what. The kid is IMO easily the best Dutch player in the Eredivisie. He's also been blessed with good looks (NO, i'm not gay, not that there's anything thing wrong with that). I think he could be the Dutch Beckham if he isn't already.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
Just how popular is this kid in Holland? I'm assuming he's the biggest thing since I don't know what. The kid is IMO easily the best Dutch player in the Eredivisie. He's also been blessed with good looks (NO, i'm not gay, not that there's anything thing wrong with that). I think he could be the Dutch Beckham if he isn't already.


For Ajax fans he is very popular, but not more than Chivu, because VDV never had the true Ajax player aura. Now his popularity is huge, he is third in Holland, Van Hooijdonk is most popular. van Bommel I think was second. (They didn`t ask me.) His performances are so good all Dutch press is positive about him and a lot of journalists push Advocaat to put him in first team. Everybody agrees he is the biggewst talent of Holland and indeed he is popular with the girls too, but behind Chivu I think. He said now he stays for one or two more years which makes him more populair in Amsterdam, it is still growing. the thing that makes him also poplular is that he stayed normal, always nice and polite, no arrogance at all. He is perfect. Once he leaves Ajax and becomes just a Dutch international, the Feyenoord fans will like him more too. :)

[PopA]

it's true, vdv is gifted in the looks department, and so is chivu!
but their game surpasses their looks! they're both incredibly talented!

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by PopA
it's true, vdv is gifted in the looks department, and so is chivu!
but their game surpasses their looks! they're both incredibly talented!

Yes you are right, and they still both can improve, VDV will do that at Ajax, Chivu probably will do that from next year on with Real.

[PopA]

no, chivu should to roma!

[soccer fanatic]

I can imagine you would like that. :)

Christian Chivu will be injured for 2-3 weeks.
Chivu was already suspended for the CL match against AS Roma.

[PopA]

hell yeah i'd like chivu in roma with "the wall" samuel! roma has serious defensive issues and chivu would not only be the solution to that problem, but he'd get us straight back to the top! I mean, over the summer there were rumours that chivu was going to roma, or lucio, but both decided to wait an extra year or something like that...... whatever goes on, i don't want to see chivu in a real madrid shirt or VDV or VDM or any ajax player!

[soccer fanatic]

At the end they will all realise they were most proud when they played for Ajax. :)

Chivu has no strict desire for spain, so he should be possible too get, if you offer a lot, if Real really already made an offer, you will have too outbid them, Real, no matter what we two think, is pretty hard to resist.

Van der Meyde isn`t ready for a big move, and when he is, I can`t imagine him going to Italy. the league doesn`t fit his playing style at all.

VDV does have a huge desire to go to spain, so I`m afraid that won`t happen.

But I agree, it would be a shame to see them go, if they go I would still like them too join Barca, like I mentioned a couple of times before.

Still a fact BTW that most Ajax players aren`t suited for the Italian league, they learn a totally different view on the game in the Ajax youth academy and club in general.

[PopA]

well i don't know, italian futbol is changing...... i mean they have to because they're losing in europe so whatever

[soccer fanatic]

Wasn`t an insult. I rate the Italian league in the top three leagues. But fact is, when you follow through the youth academy of Ajax, you are trained to play very attacking, a style almost no team in italy plays.

For a defender as Chivu that isn`t a real disadvantage, but especially for a winger like van der Meyde that is simply not fitting. Van der Vaart same thing, he plays nowadays often as number 10 (Although last matches as left midfielder) in all cases very offensive.

Italian teams don`t really use those players, he will bleed dead in Italy, like Bergkamp did. Dutch league and Italian league are just opposites. I must be honest and say Italian league doesn`t really attract me, although I can enjoy teams like Juve and AC Milan.

I respect everybody, Italian league fans just as much as Dutch league fans, I just feel more attracted too attacking football, although there is indeed something changing in Italy, it still doesn`t fit Ajax raised players.

[PopA]

i know it wasn't an offence or insult........ i'm just saying that italy better change it's style or it's not going to go too far in europe...... too defensive

[soccer fanatic]

They are doing pretty good in CL right? If the Italians rate the league high on both quality and excitement, why change it?

If all Italians said out loud they hate the leagues style, than you have to change it.

I don`t think the Italians would care much if he say that I don`t find the Italian league attractive, same the other way around.

[soccer fanatic]

Victor Sikora is injured for 6 weeks. :(

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Victor Sikora is injured for 6 weeks. :(

:worried:

[BLAUGRANA]

The below table shows it all:


Ajax's European topscorers
Player Goals

Jari Litmanen 25
Johan Cruijff 25
Sjaak Swart 18
Søren Lerby 16
Ruud Geels 15
Piet Keizer 14
John Bosman 12
Stefan Pettersson 12
Marco van Basten 11
Shota Arveladze 11
Patrick Kluivert 10
Dennis Bergkamp 10
Gerrie Mühren 10
Frank Arnesen 8
Arie Haan 8
Frank de Boer 7
Ton Blanker 7
Ruud Krol 7
Zlatan Ibrahimovic 7

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
The below table shows it all:


Ajax's European topscorers
Player Goals

Jari Litmanen 25
Johan Cruijff 25
Sjaak Swart 18
Søren Lerby 16
Ruud Geels 15
Piet Keizer 14
John Bosman 12
Stefan Pettersson 12
Marco van Basten 11
Shota Arveladze 11
Patrick Kluivert 10
Dennis Bergkamp 10
Gerrie Mühren 10
Frank Arnesen 8
Arie Haan 8
Frank de Boer 7
Ton Blanker 7
Ruud Krol 7
Zlatan Ibrahimovic 7

Litmanen is on his way to pass the legend himself. :)
One of my all time favourites, Stefan Petterson is also on the list. :) Nice to post the list, I wasn`t aware of the standings. :)

[BLAUGRANA]

Former star and fan favourite Danny Blind, current manager of the A1 youth team, will now head the entire youth academy.

It's nice to see a former great still involved with the club, and now on an even greater scale.

[soccer fanatic]

Van der Vaart appears to be willing to sign a new deal with Ajax, he is currently contracted until 2006. (I think) :)

Mido stopped rumours by saying he is happy to stay with Ajax.

[Kluivert]

Andre Bergdolmo is voted Norwegian player of the year :cool: He ended ahead of Solskjaer and Riise :cap:

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Kluivert
Andre Bergdolmo is voted Norwegian player of the year :cool: He ended ahead of Solskjaer and Riise :cap:

Wow. That's a bit of a surprise. I could see Riise beating him out easily. Nice for Bergdolmo.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Kluivert
Andre Bergdolmo is voted Norwegian player of the year :cool: He ended ahead of Solskjaer and Riise :cap:

Nice, he earned it in my humble opinion. :0
Chivu was named Romanian player of the year. :)
Trabelsi will probably, if there will be an election, become Tunesian player of the year.:)

We have a great defence. :)

Mido BTW is nominated as African player of the year. But since it appears they look mostly just too the World Cup performance, he won`t win it.

[soccer fanatic]

Wesley Sneijder and Stefano Seedorf are both being inmediately promoted too the first team squad.

[Kluivert]

and Van Halst and Winter are removed from the first team squad. Winter will definitely not return, Van Halst is uncertain.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by Kluivert
and Van Halst and Winter are removed from the first team squad. Winter will definitely not return, Van Halst is uncertain.

Are Ajax deep enough to let Van Halst go though? With all of the injuries I'd think we'd keep him around. I wonder if Winter will retire. I don't know why Koeman just didn't let him go in the Summer.

[PopA]

i think winter should retire now, with some grace and honour, instead of being released and then retiring....... he started it as an ajax player, he should end it that way...... and van halst isn't needed in my opinion

[soccer fanatic]

We have debt, but more with youth players. If Litmanen and Witschge get injured, we will have a problem with experience on midfield. Van Halst and Winter are experienced, but especially Winter not good enough anymore. Van Halst is a doubt but I think he himself is looking for some first team action anyway, since he already got the championship title he wanted so much.

I agree with PopA that Winter should retire, but ofcourse it is his decision.

[PopA]

yes, of course it is his opinion...... but i'm just saying, if i were in his shoes, i'd hang up the boots now while i was on top, instead of declining and falling into a lower category of footballer, you understand what i mean?

btw, soccerfanatic, i remember you were explaining a game, voetfutbol or something like that it was called, the volley game similar to futbol...... can you send me the instructions via pm, i want to try it out soon; it seemed like a lot of fun

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by PopA
yes, of course it is his opinion...... but i'm just saying, if i were in his shoes, i'd hang up the boots now while i was on top, instead of declining and falling into a lower category of footballer, you understand what i mean?

I know you didn`t say that, was for my own advice, just too make sure I don`t have a desire too make that decision for him. :)
I do understand and also fully agree. I would retire and play for an amateur team with friends. :) For fun and too keep the feeling because of the love for the game. I would never play in first division if I was Winter.



btw, soccerfanatic, i remember you were explaining a game, voetfutbol or something like that it was called, the volley game similar to futbol...... can you send me the instructions via pm, i want to try it out soon; it seemed like a lot of fun

I will. :)

[PopA]

thanks in advance

[soccer fanatic]

A Dutch newspaper said that Ajax is testing two young Romanian players, Vlad Munteanu is 21 en Ovidiu Petre 20 years old.

Both can play on midfield and Petre is also capable of defending.

Munteanu is tracked by a lot of top teams like Real Madrid and Bayern Munchen.

If I find out I will say if they impressed the coach, they will join the Ajax squad for their training trip too Portugal.

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Wesley Sneijder and Stefano Seedorf are both being inmediately promoted too the first team squad.

Stefano Seedorf? Is he Clarence's brother?

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Azerkid
Stefano Seedorf? Is he Clarence's brother?

He is a nephew of Clarence.
So we won`t let them him take penalties. :D

Extremely talented and a very hot prospect. Just behind the also mentioned Wesley Sneijder IMO.

[BLAUGRANA]

VDV's latest contract talks have reportedly stalled. He is rumoured to want double his current wages, but the club is a bit wary.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
VDV's latest contract talks have reportedly stalled. He is rumoured to want double his current wages, but the club is a bit wary.

Just wanted too bring this news. I waited a bit since it doesn`t flatter the club much and hoped they would solve it.

thing is VDV is still on a youth contract and doesn`t earn anywhere near the amount he should earn. If we want too keep this player, VDV must become the best payed Ajax player.

Ajax isn`t jumpy on that, but IMO VDV has justice on his side. He might be only 19 but 250000 a year is a joke for a player like VDV. What the hell is Ajax thinking????

[BLAUGRANA]

VDV is injured, AGAIN. He could be out for 5 weeks this time.

:worried:

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
What the hell is Ajax thinking????

Exactly. I read that they're worried what the other players will think. Tough. This time, the player is right and deserves the pay rise.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
VDV is injured, AGAIN. He could be out for 5 weeks this time.

:worried:

you are fast. :)

The guy is injured way too much.

there is also good news BTW, Stekelenburg extended his contract until 2008.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
Exactly. I read that they're worried what the other players will think. Tough. This time, the player is right and deserves the pay rise.

Exactly. What he is paid now is a joke. I can`t believe Ajax isn`t offering him the contract VDV deserves.

we should be flattered he even wants too stay, he is still capable of learning a lot at Ajax, but most players wouldn`t have been interested in staying all together if clubs like Barca are interested.

[BLAUGRANA]

He's upset with the recent comments from Ajax's general director Arie van Eijden. VDV denies Van Eijden's claim that he is demanding twice the salary of Ajax's best paid player. He also said: ""Compared to other Ajax players I'm earning far too less but to say that I am demanding twice the salary of their best players is absolutely absurd and untrue. Van Eijden is making me sound money mad. I have always told Ajax that I would like to remain at the club for the next one or two years but with these sort of remarks it's clear that it is becoming increasingly difficult."

This doesn't look good at all. :worried:

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
He's upset with the recent comments from Ajax's general director Arie van Eijden. VDV denies Van Eijden's claim that he is demanding twice the salary of Ajax's best paid player. He also said: ""Compared to other Ajax players I'm earning far too less but to say that I am demanding twice the salary of their best players is absolutely absurd and untrue. Van Eijden is making me sound money mad. I have always told Ajax that I would like to remain at the club for the next one or two years but with these sort of remarks it's clear that it is becoming increasingly difficult."

This doesn't look good at all. :worried:

Yes it does.

I do agree 100% with VDV, I read it too that Arie van Eijden had said he wanted twice the highest salary, but that is crap. I mean, I don`t actually know VDV personally, but everybody who knows something of him knows this isn`t the truth. What VDV gets paid now is a joke compared too what others make. He makes just as much as some foreign Ajax players who haven`t even played in the first team yet!!!! How is that possible?

I think Van Eijden will fix it because pressure from the Ajax fans is growing too give VDV the offer he deserves.
I can`t believe we let this happen, I really thought the times of lousy management at Ajax were something of the past.
VDV was a player who clearly loved too play for Ajax, after this all happened I wouldn`t blame him if it was gone. I mean, normally a salary shouldn`t be an issue in love for a club, but in this case it is honestly insane how VDV is treated.
Arie van Eijden better sort this out quick. :mad:

[PopA]

if VDV leaves or anything because of this crap...... it's off with van Eijden's head!:mad: :mad:

[soccer fanatic]

Heard that Ajax made a new contract offer too VDV, he will make twice as much as what he does now, with one note, that VDV will stay at Ajax til the end of the 2002-2003 season.

Have no idea if he will take it, he never seemed to be really looking forward too leave Ajax but after Van Eijdens idiotic expresses VDV might have reconsidered.

Let you know the outcome of the VDV contract problems as soon as I know.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Heard that Ajax made a new contract offer too VDV, he will make twice as much as what he does now, with one note, that VDV will stay at Ajax til the end of the 2002-2003 season.

Have no idea if he will take it, he never seemed to be really looking forward too leave Ajax but after Van Eijdens idiotic expresses VDV might have reconsidered.

Let you know the outcome of the VDV contract problems as soon as I know.

I read pretty much the same thing, but rather it would mean he'd stay on 'til the end of the 2003/2004 season. He still deserves to be one of the highest paid players on the side. I'm sure doubling his current salary doesn't really make him that, so I say he should hold out.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
I read pretty much the same thing, but rather it would mean he'd stay on 'til the end of the 2003/2004 season. He still deserves to be one of the highest paid players on the side. I'm sure doubling his current salary doesn't really make him that, so I say he should hold out.

You say he should refuse the offer?

I mean this sentence:
"so I say he should hold out"

It won`t make him the best player but twice as much is atleast a sign of good will, lets hope it encourages VDV too sit around the table for negotiating again.

Don`t get me wrong, if you ask me, Ajax should offer him even more, but in the end I care more for Ajax then for and individual player of the team and hope he will take, regardless if he deserves more.

Then again, Ajax isn`t Real Madrid, we have too be carefull with our spendings.

[JD]

stephen carr at spurs stayed on youth team wages (under £200 per week) for a whole season in the premiership. now his contract (a much better one) is coming to an end spurs want 2 renegotiate but he won't talk. I think he plans to stay for the rest of this season then spurs will have to sell him or allow him to go on a free next season.

what ajaz should do as a sign of good will is double vdv wages immediately without even extending his contract - then attempt to extend it afterwards. vdv will trust the club more if they treat him fairly - the last thing you need is such a great player leaving on bad terms. it will stop him ever returning (like rijkaard did so succesfully and litmanen has now) and make him less likely to seek a move for free

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by JD

what ajaz should do as a sign of good will is double vdv wages immediately without even extending his contract - then attempt to extend it afterwards. vdv will trust the club more if they treat him fairly - the last thing you need is such a great player leaving on bad terms. it will stop him ever returning (like rijkaard did so succesfully and litmanen has now) and make him less likely to seek a move for free

You make good points. Then again, Ajax is willing too raise his salary in the new contract offer, Ajax has to be carefull with money, we aren`t exactly the richest club in the world.

I think, knowing VDV as a player and from interviews, he will sign it, he sincerely loves Ajax and I think he will extend his contract.
I think VDV trust in AJax is still there, even though Van Eijden made some stupid comments.

Indeed it is important too treat players right so they perhaps can return once, only hope sooner than Litmanen did.

Read in an interview Litmanens heart still is with Liverpool.
Really hurts if it is true that he said that.
Liverpool treated him like garbage, the fans loved him there, but Ajax fans adore him much, much more. I don`t like it that he is more or less stating Ajax is 2nd best too him. After everything Ajax and Litmanen went through.
No problem with positive feelings for other clubs, but he could have been more enthousiastic about being back. Where Ajax fans went crazy for him, he stayed calm as always and now more or less claimed he would return just like that too Liverpool.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


It won`t make him the best player but twice as much is atleast a sign of good will, lets hope it encourages VDV too sit around the table for negotiating again.

Don`t get me wrong, if you ask me, Ajax should offer him even more, but in the end I care more for Ajax then for and individual player of the team and hope he will take, regardless if he deserves more.



I do hope he rejects the offer. He deserves more. Ideally I'd prefer he took it, but I know he won't. What's more, he deserves more. It's very similar to the Puyol situation. Ajax need to pay him. I'm sure they'll negotiate some more though. It'll take some time.

I too care more for the good of the club, but as I said before, this is one of those instances where the player is right. It's like the Puyol situation. I love Barca, but they were wrong and needed to pay Puyol more. They eventually came to an agreement.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


I think, knowing VDV as a player and from interviews, he will sign it, he sincerely loves Ajax and I think he will extend his contract.
I think VDV trust in AJax is still there, even though Van Eijden made some stupid comments.

Really? I don't think VDV will take this offer unless it does make him one of the highest paid players on the team. I'm sure his ties to the club run deep, but I doubt he'll let that cloud his judgement. He'll have plenty of suitors in bigger leagues if they don't make him a good offer.


Originally posted by soccer fanatic

Read in an interview Litmanens heart still is with Liverpool.
Really hurts if it is true that he said that.
Liverpool treated him like garbage, the fans loved him there, but Ajax fans adore him much, much more. I don`t like it that he is more or less stating Ajax is 2nd best too him. After everything Ajax and Litmanen went through.
No problem with positive feelings for other clubs, but he could have been more enthousiastic about being back. Where Ajax fans went crazy for him, he stayed calm as always and now more or less claimed he would return just like that too Liverpool.

I too was a bit disappointed in Jari's comments, yet I wouldn't put too much stock into them. For starters, he said that Liverfool were the club he supported as a kid. That's always something that players seem to have a hard time forgetting. Also, I think he was more taking a shot a GH and Liverfool for selling him. He's right IMO, he would be useful for them right now. Either way, you're right. He should be happy to be at Ajax again. It's a great club and the fans do love him. Hopefully he'll keep that in mind.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
I do hope he rejects the offer. He deserves more. Ideally I'd prefer he took it, but I know he won't. What's more, he deserves more. It's very similar to the Puyol situation. Ajax need to pay him. I'm sure they'll negotiate some more though. It'll take some time.

Yes he deserves more, also according too me, but evcen though he earns more, selfish me still hopes he will go for this. I mean, there are people earning less in the world. I think Ajax helped VDV partially too become who he is now. He has too have the talent, Ajax helped him develop it. Still he deserves ofcourse too become the paid player, but VDV isn`t the type too attach that much on money. He wanted a very improved deal, he was in full justice, he isn`t a player who complains easily, even though he is in the position as by far best player too set very high standards for Ajax, he is that unmissable.



I too care more for the good of the club, but as I said before, this is one of those instances where the player is right. It's like the Puyol situation. I love Barca, but they were wrong and needed to pay Puyol more. They eventually came to an agreement.

you are right, but still hope he will sign, it isn`t a bad salary for such a young player. Besides he is injured all the time, if he gets too play more he can earn more. It is not his fault ofcourse but for a club it isn`t very appealing too pay so much salary for a player who hardly plays. In my eyes Ajax should because he is worth it, but Ajax is a business nowadays I`m afraid. :(



I too was a bit disappointed in Jari's comments, yet I wouldn't put too much stock into them. For starters, he said that Liverfool were the club he supported as a kid. That's always something that players seem to have a hard time forgetting. Also, I think he was more taking a shot a GH and Liverfool for selling him. He's right IMO, he would be useful for them right now. Either way, you're right. He should be happy to be at Ajax again. It's a great club and the fans do love him. Hopefully he'll keep that in mind.


I think he isn`t very nice too Ajax with those statements, you have no idea how happy we were with his return it was amazing, it was incredible emotional for all of us fans, only too get these kind of comments. In all inmterviews he says he is happy, but it never comes out like he means it.
He has no idea how much we adore him. He is perhaps even the most popular Ajax player ever!!! If you see who he is competing with, that is a huge honour. Perhaps he will realise that more after his career, perhaps now he is too much focused on reaching the most.

I agree on you saying first love for a team never fades, but common, after all Ajax and Jari went through Ajax should be first. :(

[soccer fanatic]

Koeman again vowed too stay with Ajax until the end of his contract, reacting too the Barca problems. He said under one circumstance he could leave earlier, if he got fired.

Take it from me, he won`t. :D

Koeman is a man of his word and he would never break this promise.
Koeman rules. :)

[JD]

just booked my flight to the 'Dam
super psyched if Arsenal don't come through with the tickets looks like I'll be touting it, can't wait

you'll love it the most

[soccer fanatic]

Consider yourself privileged by getting the chance too see that clash.. :)

Will be awesome, match is already, for Ajax supporters sold out I think. Under ajax supporters there was very high interest in the match, partly because of Bergkamp, but mostly for the mouthwathering match these teams could create, because both play too entertain and win.

[PopA]

but i thought bergkamp didn't fly....... is he going to this one though? the reunion!

[soccer fanatic]

He doesn`t fly, he can go by car.

[JD]

Dennis woul swim2play in this1!
Kanu2, r u not goin soccerfanatic?

[soccer fanatic]

No. :(

[ilcapitano]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic

I think he isn`t very nice too Ajax with those statements, you have no idea how happy we were with his return it was amazing, it was incredible emotional for all of us fans, only too get these kind of comments. In all inmterviews he says he is happy, but it never comes out like he means it.
[/B]

Litmanen has never been a radiant media personality. You've all seen enough of his interviews to know that he talks in that same voice and seems kind of depressed in front of tv cameras.
I really wouldn't care very much about that one statement...one of the reasons why I like Litmanen is that he never complains..."why can't I play more" or "why does the coach use these tactics" etc. So, considering what the likes of Ibrahimovic and Mido have sometimes said, Jari is not what I would call a disturbing element in the team :D
I'm sure Litmanen would never want to offend Ajax fans.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by ilcapitano
Litmanen has never been a radiant media personality. You've all seen enough of his interviews to know that he talks in that same voice and seems kind of depressed in front of tv cameras.


Ofcourse I do, but with statements like that he really hurts ajax fans, I mean no other teams fan love a player as much as we love litmanen, did you see his coming back welcome?
And even more impressive, when he left? I think almost every Ajax fan cried his or her eyes out. You have no idea how much Litmanen means too us. Therefore it hurts too hear him say such a thing. We, or atleast I, expected more happiness from him too be back, like all the fans were, no matter if he is always injured or not.

I always appreciated his attitude and professionalism, but sometimes it would be nice too hear something about that he is happy too to be back, I`m sure he is, but why not tell it? Any idea how long Ajax fans waited for this? Think atleast 30% of all Ajax fans, including me, have an Ajax shirt, shawl or whatever with the name Litmanen on it, he is I think the most popular Ajax player of the nineties and perhpas even of all time. That isn`t a small thing considering who all played for us.



I really wouldn't care very much about that one statement...one of the reasons why I like Litmanen is that he never complains..."why can't I play more" or "why does the coach use these tactics" etc. So, considering what the likes of Ibrahimovic and Mido have sometimes said, Jari is not what I would call a disturbing element in the team :D
I'm sure Litmanen would never want to offend Ajax fans.

I know he loves Ajax, but because we love him that much we expect more from him, not even on the field but just too see proud and happiness in his face.
No doubt he still is a true professional and lightyears ahead of arrogant players like Mido.

Happy too say Zlatan seems too be turning around, appears too be a nice guy after all. :)

I guess I expected too see a Litmanen jumping for joy he is back but instead he is more talking about his disappointment it didn`t work out with Liverpool, that hurts as being a true Ajax fan.

[ilcapitano]

I can understand your feelings soccer fanatic. I think it's great Litmanen is finally back in the team whose supporters think so highly of him. I'm not a big fan of Ajax (even if I love the beautiful city of Amsterdam) but I've started to like the team more now with Jari back. He's quite popular in Finland too, you know ;)

I also can't understand what he still sees in a team that treated him so disgustingly wrong...He is exactly the kind of player that Houllier and co. would need at the moment, but if he would have stayed, he would still be on the bench. In Ajax he can play that sort of creative and attractive football he knows best.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by ilcapitano
I can understand your feelings soccer fanatic. I think it's great Litmanen is finally back in the team whose supporters think so highly of him. I'm not a big fan of Ajax (even if I love the beautiful city of Amsterdam) but I've started to like the team more now with Jari back. He's quite popular in Finland too, you know ;)


I`m happy too he is back where he fits the best.
I know he is populair in Finland too.
He is, even when he is not fit a valuable player for Ajax.



I also can't understand what he still sees in a team that treated him so disgustingly wrong...He is exactly the kind of player that Houllier and co. would need at the moment, but if he would have stayed, he would still be on the bench. In Ajax he can play that sort of creative and attractive football he knows best.

I can understand hestill loves the club, but why more (appearently) than Ajax, where not just the fans but the whole club loves him.

[soccer fanatic]

Ajax came too a contract agreement with youthplayer Daniel de Ridder for two years, with an option for two years extra. De Ridder is a very talented winger from the Ajax youth academy.

[PopA]

oy soccer fanatic what's this about real madrid as your avatar?!

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by PopA
oy soccer fanatic what's this about real madrid as your avatar?!

Yeah, sup with that? Must have lost a bet.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
Yeah, sup with that? Must have lost a bet.

Its too celebrate football as a sport, without big football "enemies" there wouldn`t be true club love.

You need both too make sure footbal is interesting and emotional.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Its too celebrate football as a sport, without big football "enemies" there wouldn`t be true club love.

You need both too make sure footbal is interesting and emotional.

:confused: I celebrate football as a sport, yet I still don't see the need nor do I have the desire to have a Real Madrid avatar.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
:confused: I celebrate football as a sport, yet I still don't see the need nor do I have the desire to have a Real Madrid avatar.

:D:D:D

Its a statement.
I won`t keep it too long.

[lili]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
:confused: I celebrate football as a sport, yet I still don't see the need nor do I have the desire to have a Real Madrid avatar.

you should, azul. makes people feel good.;)

[barça]

Originally posted by lili
you should, azul. makes people feel good.;)

I don't think it would make me feel good:confused: :(

[lili]

Originally posted by barça
I don't think it would make me feel good:confused: :(

was speaking about certain people, of course.;)

[PopA]

ah i see........ lili puts on the ajax avatar and sf takes on RM.....
that's not part of celebrating football as sport, that's when your girlfriend's got you whipped!:D :silly: heheheheh

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by PopA
ah i see........ lili puts on the ajax avatar and sf takes on RM.....
that's not part of celebrating football as sport, that's when your girlfriend's got you whipped!:D :silly: heheheheh

:D:D:D:D

But no. :)

[PopA]

ah, yet it was an excellent attempt right SF?
can't blame a man of science for trying!

[miro]

Is Mido doing bad lately in Ajax or he just doesn't get along with Koeman? And is it true that Zlatan is better in dribbling, but Mido is better in scoring (and that they can't play side by side)?

[PopA]

i see no reason why they shouldn't play together!

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by miro
Is Mido doing bad lately in Ajax or he just doesn't get along with Koeman? And is it true that Zlatan is better in dribbling, but Mido is better in scoring (and that they can't play side by side)?

Lately Zlatan is performing better, Mido still plays some matches but no trainer could bench Zlatan seeing how he is doing.

Mido had difficulties with the coach, but I think they are now over, Mido gets in as a substitute a lot.

Zlatan is better in dribbling, shielding the ball, controll the ball, but Mido is better in positioning. Mido will either have too improve his own level of play or hope Zlatan gets in a form crisis, something I ofcourse hope will not happen. Right now it is easy too see Zlatan is better. They can play next too eachother, but Ajax still prefers its traditional system.

[soccer fanatic]

Jelle van Damme is injured. He has too withdraw from his Belgian NT call up, his first callup for Belgium.

[BLAUGRANA]

Zlatan is playing better than Mido right now. I think Zlatan is just a better player at the end fo the day. I doubt we'll be seeing Zlatan in Amersterdam after this summer. :(

[ItalianBoy]

I agree. For what I saw Mido has only headers some time but Zlatan got dribbling pace and shot at times.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by AZULGRANA
I doubt we'll be seeing Zlatan in Amersterdam after this summer. :(

I think he will be wise enough too add one or two more years add Ajax, Ajax will now be looking too keep him in Amsterdam, I think Zlatan wouldn`t mind either, he likes it with Ajax and can wait one or two years before his big move.

[miro]

I agree, but then again I think if Zlatan gets a good offer from a bigger team (and play as a starter) he should move!!
what do u guys think?

[ItalianBoy]

He should move.
Especially Cuz the dutch Champ dosent give you that much fame, most of the times.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by miro
I agree, but then again I think if Zlatan gets a good offer from a bigger team (and play as a starter) he should move!!
what do u guys think?

Think he will atleast add one more year too his stay, not only because of loyalty for a team who showed a lot patience for him too succeed, but also because he gets guarenteed first team action if he plays on a good standard, he can learn a lot with Ajax, and that he still is young enough too stay longer and get more experience. He will stay for one more year, a move now is still too soon. At this point nobody can teach him more than Ajax.

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic
Think he will atleast add one more year too his stay, not only because of loyalty for a team who showed a lot patience for him too succeed, but also because he gets guarenteed first team action if he plays on a good standard, he can learn a lot with Ajax, and that he still is young enough too stay longer and get more experience. He will stay for one more year, a move now is still too soon. At this point nobody can teach him more than Ajax.

Well said. He should stay on for another year. He can still learn a lot in Holland and get some very good playing experience in the Eredivisie and the CL with Ajax. He's had some great opportunities this season alone. Besides, A move to Roma wouldn't necessarily guarantee him playing time, much less trophies.

[soccer fanatic]

Mido is put back too the 2nd team (again) for disciplinary reasons, Ajax didn`t tell the press why.

Since I don`t know what he did I will react calm, but I know koeman well enough that he doesn`t throw a player back without a good reason.

[soccer fanatic]

Van der Vaart signed a new contract at Ajax with the same lenght until 2006, but with a financial improvement for Van der Vaart and the ensurance that Van der Vaart will stay with Ajax for atleast another season. (So for sure until the end of the season 2003-2004)

both club and player wanted that BTW, Van der vaart himself also wants too remain at Ajax for an "extra" year.

I`ll drink too that. :)

[BLAUGRANA]

You beat me to it. Great news for Ajax. Hopefully keeping him around and a few of the other young players helps to keep the good times rolling. There's a great base for a very good squad there right now, as this week's CL performance showed.

[BLAUGRANA]

Mido's been banished to the reserves! It seems he's had another disagreement with Koeman. The guess is that it's about his lack of playing time.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by BLAUGRANA
You beat me to it. Great news for Ajax. Hopefully keeping him around and a few of the other young players helps to keep the good times rolling. There's a great base for a very good squad there right now, as this week's CL performance showed.

More good news, also nigel de Jong, the guy who scored his first Ajax 1 goal against Arsenal in the CL, also signed a new deal which will expire in 2006, also with a financial improvement, and deserved ofcourse.

Well done Ajax, would hsave prefered this too be done more in silent and more respectfull way too especially Van der Vaart, but we keep him for one more year so why complain. :)

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by BLAUGRANA
Mido's been banished to the reserves! It seems he's had another disagreement with Koeman. The guess is that it's about his lack of playing time.

Yes I also mentioned that earlier in this thread, according too the ajax website it is disciplinary reasons, but between the lines this isn`t a small thing I think, I read he did several things, question is if Koeman isn`t yet tired of dealing with all this Mido crap. I know I am, but we got no more strikers accept Zlatan. I don`t consider Litmanen too be a striker.

[soccer fanatic]

John O`Brien made a good comeback in Ajax 2, Ajax 2 lost the match, but O`Brien made a goodcimpression on coach Van het Schip. Mido also played but was substituted 15 minutes from time, Van het Schip wasn`t satisfied with Mido`s performances.

The humiliation for that arrogant child. :)
This could make him realise perhaps he isn`t there yet.

[soccer fanatic]

Mido is back with the first squad, just in time for the CL match against Arsenal in the Arena.

Reason he is back is because Koeman listened too the pleads of Mido`s teammates of Ajax 1.

I wonder if this was the right thing too do by Koeman, mostly becasue he claims too be a man who sticks with his policy, I start too think Koeman perhaps was a bit too hasty with dropping him too the 2nd team. As a possible reason of Mido`s abandoning too the 2nd team I heard he didn`t show up for a sponsor appointment.

Didfficult situation. But God knows he could come in handy against Arsenal, especially since he will be eager too proof too Koeman he is a 1 team player who should get a spot in the starting eleven.

Atleast, Mido will think that. :)

[lili]

I think, Mido has to be a part of the 1. Ajax team, too.;)

[soccer fanatic]

Mido again has been set back too the 2nd team, probably til the end of the season, although not completely certain.

This really is it, kick the guy out, he isn`t that good anyway and he has an attitude problem. We can`t have that at Ajax.

[lili]

O, holy shit. What did he do again? :rolleyes:

[Robledo]

woah, banished to the reserves for the whole season.

For a 19 year old kid, he needs to shut the hell up and have some respect for the Ajax manager and officials


AMSTERDAM, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Egyptian striker Mido has been banished to Ajax Amsterdam's reserve side for the rest of the season, just three days after he was handed a reprieve by coach Ronald Koeman.
Ajax said in a statement on Friday that Koeman and technical director Leo Beenhakker had taken the decision following comments attributed to Mido in the Dutch media after Wednesday's Champions League game against Arsenal.

The 19-year-old, top-scorer for the Dutch champions this season, was recalled to Ajax's first-team squad to play Arsenal after apologising for upsetting Koeman after several run-ins with the club's management.

Mido, whose real name is Ahmed Hossam, had been relegated to the youth team after Koeman said he was not giving 100 per cent in training and his attitude was "wrong".

Koeman was also angered when Mido failed to turn up to meet sponsors after a league win over Groningen earlier this month.

[soccer fanatic]

Biggest problem was some of his statements in the press, about him not changing and that he still thinks he did not nothing wrong. Beenhakker said the chances are big Mido will leave Ajax soon, as a matter of fact it appears we already have a replacement plan, we only can sign a player from the Dutch league, since the international transfer window is closed.

He said it would be surprising, so I think it must be Kezman. :D:D

My guess would be Denneboom of Heerenveen.
Well Beenhakker, if you are reading this, I`m not interested.
Wait til the transfer window is open again a get a better one.

[soccer fanatic]

Pienaar signed a new deal, it is only a improved deal, no longer commitment, still runs til 2006.

Also Zlatan made clear he would like a new deal and spoke out he would like tooo stay at Ajax. Trabelsi is also looking for a new and improved deal.

[miro]

The problem started last year, when Koeman had problems with Mido, and Mido left to Egypt and came back to solve the problem and score 12 goals in 11 games. Then they said that they get along just fine, but now they came up with no real excuse to ban the player again, in a time when the need every stricker. I agree that Mido was wrong to miss this sponsor agency meeting, but then again it is not a good reason to ban him, what did he do after Arsenal game to be banned for the rest of the season(he just said that he doesn't see his mistake, he was only asking to be a starter just like the last season)!! I think it is not a very smart move from Koeman (it is a thing between him and Mido) plus all the squad wants Mido back, so where is the problem???????????????????????????????
And also he was the one that said I don't want to leave Ajax (last season) because I learned a lot from them and I am still learning, he only got mad when Koeman replaced him on the bench for no particular reason, while he can play side by side with Zlatan!!!!

:confused: :confused:

[JD]

mido is a good prospect but Koeman cannot have his authority undermined or he will lose the respect of all the players. I'm sure they do want him back (mido's a good footballer0 BUT THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE BOSS AT A FOOTBALL CLUB

imo Koeman is doing the right thing

surely Kezman won't go to Ajax?! He can wait and go to a bigger league in the summer- no criticism or eredivisie but if Mateja wants to make the big bucks he'll soon be off.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by JD
mido is a good prospect but Koeman cannot have his authority undermined or he will lose the respect of all the players. I'm sure they do want him back (mido's a good footballer0 BUT THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE BOSS AT A FOOTBALL CLUB


I don`t think they want him back, cause as good as he may be, there is more to being an asset too a team than being a good football player.

[/B][/QUOTE]
surely Kezman won't go to Ajax?! He can wait and go to a bigger league in the summer- no criticism or eredivisie but if Mateja wants to make the big bucks he'll soon be off. [/B][/QUOTE]

He won`t go too Ajax. :) If it was because the joke I made I`m sorry. :D He probable would like too go higher up, but isn`t that eager as it seems, he seems happy playing in Holland, that is something which occurs more and more, players want too stay longer and longer, which is partly the reason Dutch league football and Dutch teams teams in Europe are doing better again. He has a great attitude (Kezman) and will go when a good offer comes, but he doesn`t complain and keeps working hard for PSV.

BTW, congrats in passing the 1000 posts landmark. :)

[JD]

whats the story with kezman retiring from the yugo NT - very strange he's young andworld class. he could be an Int star 4years and years??

[lili]

Kezman also has some problems with the coach of the yugoslav NT, an old story, btw.;)

[Robledo]

Can anyone tell me much about Maxwell? what position he plays and where you got him from. I never really knew who he was until I saw him start against Arse in the CL.

And what happened to the other Brazilian Wamberto

[JD]

Originally posted by lili
Kezman also has some problems with the coach of the yugoslav NT, an old story, btw.;)
lili- wot where the problems?
I was told some quote from kezman that he was disapointed with his performances for the NT so was giving up - doesn't sound like it makes much sense.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Robledo
Can anyone tell me much about Maxwell? what position he plays and where you got him from. I never really knew who he was until I saw him start against Arse in the CL.

And what happened to the other Brazilian Wamberto

We got him from the youth team of Cruzeiro.

We scouted him during a tournament in Holland for youth squads and signed him inmediately. He can play both as left midfielder and left defender, he plays for Ajax most as left midfielder, while he was a purchase meant for left defender.

He is 21 years old, very talented with good technic ability, good insight and good spirit. He is a great prospect and fights for a place in the team. He will get there no doubt.

Wamberto is injured for a while and won`t be able too get back in the first team squad, he is a sub for Ajax when fit, used mostly as winger but best beyond the strikers in a number 10 role IMO.

[lili]

Originally posted by JD
lili- wot where the problems?
I was told some quote from kezman that he was disapointed with his performances for the NT so was giving up - doesn't sound like it makes much sense.

I think, Kezman was dissapointed with his status in the NT, he often warmed up the bench while others were playing. The yugoslav NT is a team, where every single player feels like a star and their biggest problem is functioning like a team. Kezman is young and ambitious and NT is also a promoting place. Playing the second violine behind a Mijatovic nowadays is a hurtfull experiance, don't you think? Especially if you are a psv star.
What's also funny there is changing coaches all the time and they simply can't find the right solution to built up a strong team. We eliminated them from the WC not with being technical better, but showing a great team spirit, where the players fullfill the idea : one for all, all for one. ;)

[soccer fanatic]

You two know this is the Ajax forum and that for now Kezman doesn`t play for us?

So either progress the discussion on the Dutch forum in a PSV thread or make Kezman sign a contract with Ajax and talk here about him. :)

[lili]

Song of the day, especially for you:
"Don't play your rock'n roll to me"....:rolleyes: :angel: :D

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by lili
Song of the day, especially for you:
"Don't play your rock'n roll to me"....:rolleyes: :angel: :D

Don`t make me start a ban poll against you honey. ;)

[lili]

you had to state, people wouldn't like that.....Bimbolino.:)

[miro]

Mido will move to Celta Vigo for the rest of the season on a loan deal!!!:cool:

[BLAUGRANA]

Originally posted by miro
Mido will move to Celta Vigo for the rest of the season on a loan deal!!!:cool:

Good riddance. :annoyed:

[JD]

who will Celta drop?
I think Edu, Jesuli, Catanha, Mostovoi and Mccarthy can all do better up front than the dangerous but inexperienced Mido

[Robledo]

I thought Celta had too many non-eu players on their books, which is why they had to send Kaviedes out on loan to accomodate Benni McCarthy this season

Unless Mido has a Euro passport that is

[soccer fanatic]

Didn`t know it was already sure, but thank God he is gone.

I can`t see him making the first eleven there, but I hope he will do great with Celta. :)

Best way too get him sold at the end of the year.:D

No ofcourse I wish him a good career, just not with us. :)

[soccer fanatic]

Just want too applaud some players for recent great performances:

Wesley Sneijder is the new sensation the last month, he plays very good, is 2 years younger than VDV, can shoot with both legs and is techically good, great vision, mentality and has more physical strenght than VDV. Dare I say he already looks like the succeeder of VDV and even as in two years the better player?
VDV is better with vision and scoring, but for the rest Sneijder seems to edge VDV on every aspect. Well done Sneijder.

Pasanen: Was bound too leave Ajax a year ago, but now keeps Bergdolmo out of the line up, is playing good and steady.

Pienaar: Just amazing, Very good, very strong at the ball, good workrate, very well equiped in all aspexts.

De Jong: See above behind Pienaar, just add also that he can play almost everywhere.

Trabelsi: Great as always.

Only downer is Andy van der Meyde, he is underachieving but will stand up again. I also expect more of Boukhari, Zlatan (more constant) and Chivu (good but with more slip ups these days

Without wanting too sound arrogant, we have a great future ahead of us. If only Koeman would be willing too extend his contract, as Ajax made clear they want, too give an example too the players who are vital too the squad.

[bloomy]

How is he in Ajax?He was too young when he went from Cruzeiro...
maxwell is really doing well this year.he,s ajax player off the year and nominated for soccer player off the year here in holland.
he,s my fave ajax player,, do you know brazilian ore other site,s where i can find anthing on him
i,m making a site on him in yahoo groups
maxwell_sherrer_cabelino_andrade
i have there lots of photo,s
take a look iff you want
take care
marietta
maxwell 4 ever :heart:

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