Holland NT official thread

[Azerkid]

official thread

[Azerkid]

Current Squad


Players:

George Boateng

Frank de Boer

Ronald de Boer

Mark van Bommel

Paul Bosvelt

Wilfred Bouma

Giovanni van Bronckhorst

Phillip Cocu

Edgar Davids

Jerrel Hasselbaink

Kevin Hofland

Patrick Kluivert

Denny Landzaat

Roy Makaay

Mario Melchiot

Andy van der Meyde

Oscar Moens

Ruud van Nistelrooij

Arthur Numan

André Ooijer

Marc Overmars

Patrick Paauwe

Michael Reiziger

Fernando Ricksen

Edwin van der Sar

Victor Sikora

Jaap Stam

Ronald Waterreus


Coach:

Dick Advocaat

[BLAUGRANA]

Ajax just picked up Sykora.

[Azerkid]

good move :thumbsup:

[Azerkid]

What do you think about the thread? Good idea?

[Roberto Abrego]

Originally posted by Azerkid37
What do you think about the thread? Good idea?



Its an exellent idea for me beacuse my favourite NT is Holland,but not to many will post here beacuse their r not to many Holland fans here.

but is a good idea :)

[TOTTIgirl]

I absolutely hate the fact that Advocaat is putting all those Rangers players in the NT. like Ricksen, I mean what does a player like Ricksen do in a national team?!! he sucks! Advocaat should focus more on the young players, and lose reiziger, De Boer and old those old players who had their glory days otherwise it'll never work!

[Azerkid]

I sort of agree about Ricksen, i think he crap is not no good for the NT but I think De boer should stay because he's very experienced and helps out the offense with his passing and he's only 31, and I think Reizeger should stay eventhough he's not the best defender but he has more expeirnce than the youngsters but when young players get adapted then some older ones will make way for them.

[Roberto Abrego]

De Boer should stay he is being doing well with Barca...


Reiziger should retire from International football he is not the player he was before.....

[monte]

Originally posted by TOTTIgirl
I absolutely hate the fact that Advocaat is putting all those Rangers players in the NT. like Ricksen, I mean what does a player like Ricksen do in a national team?!! he sucks! Advocaat should focus more on the young players, and lose reiziger, De Boer and old those old players who had their glory days otherwise it'll never work!


:thumbsup: I agree! Ricksen is a complete turd.

[Storm]

Holland is my favourite NT along with Columbia. Holland really needs to change some of the old guard. It is about time young players get the green light, that way Euro 2004 could see a Dutch revival.

Reiziger, De Boer and maybe Overmars need to go, this time around, Holland cannot afford to have any passengers.

The real question is who will be he starting strikers? I personally would choose Patrick Kluivert and partner him wit Hasselbank, even though Hasselbank isn't much of a team player and could disrupt the NT harmony. Ruud van Nistelrooij is good, but even by his own admission, is only used to playing as a lone striker.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by monte

:thumbsup: I agree! Ricksen is a complete turd.

yeah, I agree. Ricksen is lousy. Nice to see we are still loved even though are recent screw ups. :)

You know losing to Ireland, hiring Advocaat.... :D
Van Hanegem is a great asset though, he will save Advocaats ass. :)

[soccer fanatic]

We beat Austria today, 3-0 but nothing spectacular. We were alright. We played both good and on result. Normally I don`t like that, but I guess main thing is we atleast qualify. We save up the good stuff for in Portugal.

[laphid]

They're now playing against Agentines at home.DA should change to 4 back system when they face the best argentine winger(defence) like Zenetti and Plasanti.4 back would be
Malciot,Stam,Hofland and anyother.I'm one of the biggest fan of the Oranje so i want them to beat such a good team like Argentina.Any suggestions,Mail to me.

[soccer fanatic]

I`m sure we will beat them, no reason too change our own style for Argentina, they are good, but not that much better than us, if they are better at all.

Is the game due soon?

[laphid]

Anybody know where and what time to watch Holland frinedly against Argentina???

[soccer fanatic]

February 12, 2003.
Amsterdam Arena at 20.30.

[soccer fanatic]

Holland beat Argentina in a friendly 1-0 in the amsterdam Arena. Wasn`t impressive of our side but in the end we did beat them, settling a new record of 7 consecutive wins. After going through last year undefeated, and we didn`t exactly play lousy sides,we continued our run due too a late goal by Giovanni van Bronckhorst, a good goal for him, coming on the pitch as a substitute.

It was Frank de Boer 99th match he played for Holland, with that he already was the record holder but will also become the first Dutch player ever too reach 100 caps.

He played a great match, was the best on the field together with Zenden and Davids. Cocu, Seedorf and Reiziger also played good.

[Azerkid]

An expected win for me :D

right now Holland is on a row and should defeat the Czechs with ease, i hope they keep this form up in the actual tournament.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Azerkid
An expected win for me :D


Ofcourse. :cool:
You know your stuff, I predicted a win too, not a surprise for me. We are gowing and growing strong. :)


right now Holland is on a row and should defeat the Czechs with ease, i hope they keep this form up in the actual tournament.

Czech Republic defeated France away 0-2. :eek: A good side but we should win.

And don`t worry about the tournament, we always play our best football on the tournament, as long as we won`t have too take penalties, we will be ok. :D:D

[Azerkid]

Originally posted by soccer fanatic


And don`t worry about the tournament, we always play our best football on the tournament, as long as we won`t have too take penalties, we will be ok. :D:D [/B]

I assume the players don't volunteer to take the Pk's, do they? :D

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Azerkid
I assume the players don't volunteer to take the Pk's, do they? :D

Only Seedorf. :D:D:D:D

[laphid]

Czech has out performed the reigning champions.Especially thier midfield play and counter attacks are impressive.Although netherlands has a stronger squad, a leading goal in early 20 minutes can pressure us a lot.Do you think dutch team has prepared to tackle their set pieces and 'blitzkrieg' during first 15 minutes?

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by laphid
Do you think dutch team has prepared to tackle their set pieces and 'blitzkrieg' during first 15 minutes?

Think that is a Dutch speciality, we can break defences but problem is I think that they also have a good attcking line with gifted midfielders behind them, given that our defence is our obvious weak spot we have too stay concentrated, I think the match against argentina was a good training for that, since they played defensive very closed and worked from that.

Most NT key position players are former Ajax players, so finding openings are in their blood.
(Kluivert, Davids, Seedorf, F de Boer)

I think we should rate them as high as they are, our biggest downside is our misplaced arrogance.

[Azerkid]

With De boer organizing the defence (like in the Arg. game) in the back and Davids winning balls in the midfield would help against the Czech counter attacks. Its just like Soccer Fanatic said, the team needs to be concentrated.

In the offence category, im not too worried as i know the French are not as offensive as Holland and dont have the type of strikers so we cant really compare thier performance against the Czechs with the up coming fixture.

[soccer fanatic]

Rumours have it that there was a fight after the match against Argentina between Van Bommel and ofcourse Davids.

I think it is true, was about a tactical thing but am not worried about it, just shows the side is sharp and that they want succes. :)

Match against Czech Republic is important though and if something did happen, it could mean the guilty party, Davids in this case probably, would have too lead the squad and we would have too field another left midfielder... .... ....

Rafael van der Vaart ofcourse, makes me almost hope something did happen. :)

[laphid]

Cocu is out for our team for the czech match.
Don't you think De Jong is more and more proving himself as the most suitable substitute.
Overmars has back to his best form in Barca.Is he(29 yrs) too old as a winger for the dutch team.
I think no other wingers (Zenden and Van der meyde) cant still keep up woth his goal socring rates,skill and speed.
What do you think?

[soccer fanatic]

I think we should play without wingers until Van der Meyde, Van Persie and Robben are more established and reached the quality too play in the Dutch NT, until that time we can play with two central attackers and one right behind them, in an ideal world would that be VDV.

I think Van Bronckhorst or VDV could fill Cocu`s place.
If VDV, Davids would play a bit more defensive.

I don`t think Overmars should play for Holland, right now when we can posses over so much great central strikers we are better of playing with two, kluivert and RVN, and behind them a number 10 or or from the left or right side a false winger who cuts inside. Davids can play that role, and again, also VDV.

We have a lot of options.

[laphid]

What do you guys think of De Jong?
Is he good enough to play in the NT?;)

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by laphid
What do you guys think of De Jong?
Is he good enough to play in the NT?;)

I think he should get more time too progress first. He coulds handle it I think, but I see no reason too bring him in the squad already, not even Van der Vaart has a first team place in the NT squad. But without a doubt will Nigel de Jong get there. He is amazing player, I saw him first with the youth and already thought he was a great prospect, but now he even amazed me still, he is doing excellent.

[laphid]

:rolleyes:
I heard that ANdy van der meyde was injured in a latest domestic league.Do you think this would influence in the squad?Who do you think we should replace?

[soccer fanatic]

Andy van der Meyde already dropped from the squad and won`t be replaced. Is not needed since we have more than enough players and he wouldn`t have gotten much time in the field anyway.

[soccer fanatic]

Holland couldn`t beat Czech Repuyblic, result was 1-1.

We started reasonable and created a few chances, Czech Republic didn`t. At the end of the first half Holland went ahead due too a good flick of the sub VDV who replaced an injured Giovanni van Bronckhorst, he flicked the ball through the defence to Davids, he put the ball on the head of RVN and he scored.

With the sub VDV we looked a lot more dangerous but with that also in the defence part more vulnarable, cause Giovanni is more defensive than the ofensive VDV. In the 2nd half we were under pressure a lot, half voluntary of our side since we defended a lead, but Czech Republic replaced rosicky with Baros which appeared too have been a golden move by the coach, Baros setted up Koller and he scord, Til the end of the match we tried too attack but in a lousy 2nd half we couldn`t do much damage.

Frank de boer reached 100 caps, the first ever Dutch player too reach that amount. :) Congrats Frank.

Now wednesday we face Moldavia away. Austria take on the Czech Republic. This cn proof too be a costy draw with the match against Czech Republic away still too come.

You don`t want too go to the play offs this year as it is shaping up now, cause stronmg teams will be in it. :)

[JD]

how many caps does vdv have now? I've never seen him play for the NT yet

[laphid]

I'm very disappointed with the result.I saw one of the worst moment of Oranje.Only Ruud,Davids,Stam and Rafael did play well. Rafael was outstanding.Zenden made many mistakes.There's less mistakes for him when he stay full back. Kluivert,Seedorf,Ricksen,Bommel all didn't perform well.
What do you think we should do?We cannot do this way.We have to struggle alot in the next match in Czech.The draw was the desired result for the them.What do you think is the mistake?
DA called up Bosvelt but he wasn't even on the bench.What should we do?:confused:
Moldova shouldn't trouble us much.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by laphid
I'm very disappointed with the result.I saw one of the worst moment of Oranje.Only Ruud,Davids,Stam and Rafael did play well. Rafael was outstanding.Zenden made many mistakes.There's less mistakes for him when he stay full back. Kluivert,Seedorf,Ricksen,Bommel all didn't perform well.


I think F de Boer played well too, but he made a fatal error, just like Stam though with the goal. Kluivert played good IMO, Davids played a good first half but was sometimes sloppy in the 2nd half, Zenden also played a good first half but like you said a bad 2nd one, perhaps lacking match fitness. Rafael was voted by Dutch viewers as man of the match, so you have a good eye. :)

Good too hear you agree on Van Bommel with me, I was alone in stating he wasn`t good, everybody disagreed with me. He was lucky Davids and Kluivert played close too him. They chased them off and Van Bommel could easily step in often. Especially offensive and passing was not good enough of Van Bommel.


What do you think we should do?We cannot do this way.We have to struggle alot in the next match in Czech.


Yes, we will get a tough match in the czech Republic, since I don`t see them screw up in theo ther group matches. I think in Czech Republic they will have too play for their fans too and for the win, since in the end I`m convinced we both won`t loose points and normally our goal average should be better, so too win the group they need too beat us in their homegame. If we get the room we can beat them.


The draw was the desired result for the them.What do you think is the mistake?


Well, we made a few mistakes.

1 Van der Vaart should have started in the match and in the centre.
2 Kluivert too much played too take out Galasek and not enough too create himself.
3 2nd half we played too hold the lead, it is no secret we suck at that.
4 We have too use our chances, cause we did get them.
5 Those Czechs had a good goalie. :)


DA called up Bosvelt but he wasn't even on the bench.What should we do?:confused:
Moldova shouldn't trouble us much.

We should score a lot too stay ahead on goal average on the Czechs. Bosvelt and also Hasselbaink were on the stands cause only 18 players we allowed in the slection for them atch, Van der Meyde already fall out.

I think we should be ok, but should seriously work hard to avoid play offs. wouldn`t want too meet England, Italy, Turkey or something like that.

[Green Beret]

Injury of Van Bronckhorst had been the both reasons for the leading goal and the equalizer?Introduction of Van der Vaart changed the rhythmn of attacking play and empty left wing back invite Baros for parity goal.
While star players like Kluivert,Seedorf being chocked up, and mistakens Zenden,Bommel and Ricksen are playing inconfidently.Stam,Van der Vaart,Davids and Ruud are the only four to erect the team.Davids has been the only midfield defence player to face all czech attacking midfields and pushed stam only reliable out of 3 backs,to the midfield.
It was the weakest defence setup ever found at the national team level.
I want to ask I few questions to DA.
I can't understand why DA brought too many strikers and no one for defensive midfield as substitute.Why should we rely too much on Zenden,Ricksen,and Bommel who are not preforming confidently and making many mistakes while excluding well performed players like Melchiot,Overmars,De Jong etc.What made Zenden to take responsibility for left wing defence,which is not his speciality?
I can promise Czechs will not come up with dense defence 4:3:2:1
again.Without careful redention on defence setup,I don't think we could resist the czech offensive blow at their home.
What do you think?
PLEASE!I don't want to see bye bye 2004 again...

[JD]

the rest of europe wants to see you there!
sort it out Holland
- too many great great players to fail to qualify for two consecutive tournaments

still haven't replaced Bergkamp

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Green Beret
Injury of Van Bronckhorst had been the both reasons for the leading goal and the equalizer?Introduction of Van der Vaart changed the rhythmn of attacking play and empty left wing back invite Baros for parity goal.


You are partly right, but don`t forget we didn`t only change line up, but in the 2nd half we switched too playing on result, something which will never work for Holland. too much aimless playing around off the ball, we should have went ahead like we started ,cause looking at after the 1-1, we were in controll again when we pressured the opponent.


Davids has been the only midfield defence player to face all czech attacking midfields and pushed stam only reliable out of 3 backs,to the midfield.


Van Bommel is reasonable in his defending tasks as well.


I can't understand why DA brought too many strikers and no one for defensive midfield as substitute.Why should we rely too much on Zenden,Ricksen,and Bommel who are not preforming confidently and making many mistakes while excluding well performed players like Melchiot,Overmars,De Jong etc.What made Zenden to take responsibility for left wing defence,which is not his speciality?


We only played with two strikers the whole match, at first RVN and Kluivert and later Kluivert and Makaay. VDV isn`t a striker but attacking midfielder. Fact is Van Bommel got a bit less in the 2nd half and Davids and Zenden went bad in passing, Seedorf wan`t very secure in that on some moments too.

Zenden isn`t your everyday back but isn`t a newbie on that position, he is quite good there, only today in the passing he was less. Your names are not good enough, Overmars is past his prime, Melchiot isn`t better than Ricksen I think, and De Jong is still too young and unexperienced too start against one of the best teams in the world.


I can promise Czechs will not come up with dense defence 4:3:2:1
again.Without careful redention on defence setup,I don't think we could resist the czech offensive blow at their home.
What do you think?
PLEASE!I don't want to see bye bye 2004 again...

Well, i think we will get a good result in Czech Republic, if everything goes as expected we both will loose no points too other teams in thep oule. We will be tied in points and logically holland will have the better goal difference, so a draw should be enough.

Besides, we won`t have too be playmaker in Czech Republic, they play at home and I expect them too be more generous with room for our team.

I`m not worried, but we should be cautious. I mean, we shouldn`t get too dramatic (yet) we are still top of table with 7 points out of 3 games, that isn`t that bad. We were better this match and if we would have taken our chances we would have won but we didn`t, but nothing is lost yet, but for the Czechs this is a promising result, for us it is a disappointment, but not the end of our chances, we are still in the driver seat.

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by JD
still haven't replaced Bergkamp

well it is difficult too fnd a replacement for him, but don`t sell Kluivert short, I think he does a great job as Bergkamp replacer. He playus well scores enough goals and also is help too the team.

If we reach 2004 European Championship I`m convinced that Van der Vaart if fit will be a starting player in the role Bergkamp had or as a central midfielder, but still wiith the role Bergkamp filled for years.

[BLAUGRANA]

Congrats to Frank De Boer on number 100.

[soccer fanatic]

We beat Moldavia 1-2 today in a horrible match from our side. it was a disgrace and I laughed for 90 minutes of disbelieve, what the hell is this?

It was scouted that Moldavia would be the level of Ado Den Haag, so hereby I suggest the next match against Woldavia we will play with eleven Dutch league playing players, because this was crap, it was awfull and an insult too football. These players atleast would show motivation.

Only Frank de Boer(!), Jaap Stam and Davids are escaping the critics, the rest sucked.

I wonder if it is a coincidence that the only good players all were found guilty of using doping a while back..... .... ...
where were they before the match? :D:D

RVN and Van Bommel scored, both thanks too the worst goalie ever, so we won, with a winner in the 84th minute.

Oh my God.... ....

I`m seriously thinking of changing my nationality. :(

[Green Beret]

thanks for your remarks
I hope you'd agree wotj tp say "Its time to think hard for the dimming future of team Netherlands", after the 2-1 performance against moldova.We have many players with big names but we always see a few players like Stam,Davids,De Boer,VDV, Nistelrooij only have strong winning spirit.
Tense defence of the team disappointed after the absence of Cocu,Bosvelt and Bronckhorst.
Without reinforcement of new blood young players , the team's defence play would be hopeless.
By the way,"Quoting to the last discussion,DA brooght five strikers (v Nistelrooij,kluivert,hasselbaink and makaaij) while we were using only 2 out of them,making 3 sitting strikers on the bench out of 7 subs.For me,1 or 2 strikers in the reserve us good enough and leave other 5 subs for defence and midfield.
If it happened to go for play-offs, BETTER CHANGE THE COACH.
Ronald Koeman or Guus Hiddink would work well

[soccer fanatic]

Originally posted by Green Beret
thanks for your remarks
I hope you'd agree wotj tp say "Its time to think hard for the dimming future of team Netherlands", after the 2-1 performance against moldova.We have many players with big names but we always see a few players like Stam,Davids,De Boer,VDV, Nistelrooij only have strong winning spirit.


This all is true.


Tense defence of the team disappointed after the absence of Cocu,Bosvelt and Bronckhorst.
Without reinforcement of new blood young players , the team's defence play would be hopeless.


Yes the centre of defence played good, but reiziger and zenden werent good enough as backs, Zenden was good offensively, and reiziger played a fairly reasonable first half, but overall they were bad, especially in the end of the first haldf and the entire 2nd half.

You are right about needing other defenders, problem is, we have not many good defenders. Heitinga of Ajax will become on in 4/5 years, but for the rest we use midfielders as backs, we have to. all starts in the youth academys, where no players are trained too become defenders, it is too much based on attackng.


By the way,"Quoting to the last discussion,DA brooght five strikers (v Nistelrooij,kluivert,hasselbaink and makaaij) while we were using only 2 out of them,making 3 sitting strikers on the bench out of 7 subs.For me,1 or 2 strikers in the reserve us good enough and leave other 5 subs for defence and midfield.


5 Strikers were in the selection, but Haisselbank dropped out and was not on the bench.


If it happened to go for play-offs, BETTER CHANGE THE COACH.
Ronald Koeman or Guus Hiddink would work well

I heard Van Gaal is available too. :D

No but seriously, I think we dont need a coach change, unless he doesn`t make it too the EC. I mean, in what part is the coach too blame? The Dutch internationals just can`t be stimulated anymore. Only thing I blame Advocaat is that he should be tougher. I mean, if they can`t show some spirit, kick them out. Easy as that. Seedorf for example should be kicked out for a couple of matches, never saw him play so lousy, it was horrible.

I hope that when he meet Ajax he will play the same way. :)

[k.n.brown]

Quote: Which part of the coach is to be blame?
A few ponits.

*We have to notice we score only after vdv came in at match against Czech & so did Overmars at away match against Beluras. That means, 2 strikers only is not enough to score against good defence. With out the assist of good scoring midfielders like VDV, OVM & Van der Medey your attacking party has proven not enough. I think DA is too stick to Zenden, that not brillant in either attack or Defence. We saw the full strength of Dutch team only at the friendlies(vs. Argintines).
I mean DA never utilizes his full resources. Never seen Hofland,VDMD only at friendly, OVMs & VDV for half an hours while sticking to Bkst, Zd,Ricks, Rzg all on the bench players at clubs.

*Cant' create an deadly attacking duo of any two golden booters among VNS, CLV& MAKI.

*Play at the midfield is too slow to utilise the chances of counter attack, eapecially when davids & overmars are absent.

*Czechs are leading 4 goals difference to meet u at home. Means, Draw would be the same meanig to 10 goals loss to push u to playoffs.

*It could be the last chace for the full strength squad and full attacking option at Prague encounter & do U think DA would do that?

[Titanium]

Ruud to stay on bench
Holland manager Dick Advocaat is sticking by his decision not to start Ruud van Nistelrooy against Scotland in their Euro 2004 qualifier despite the striker's return to goal-scoring form against Rangers.
The former Ibrox chief watched the Manchester United marksman net twice in his side's 3-0 Champions League romp at Old Trafford on Tuesday.
But that performance did not change his mind on who he believes is his number one striker.

[Titanium]

Ruud to stay on bench
Holland manager Dick Advocaat is sticking by his decision not to start Ruud van Nistelrooy against Scotland despite the striker's return to goal-scoring form against Rangers.

The former Ibrox chief watched the Manchester United marksman net twice in his side's 3-0 Champions League romp at Old Trafford on Tuesday.
But that performance did not change his mind on who he believes is his number one striker.

Titanium

[Zarak]

ruud van nistelrooij deserves a change to have a provider played around him like rafael van der vaart. only patrick kluivert has had that chance, and it has had minimal success, but i think that vnistelrooij - vdvaart will be at twice as succesful than kluivert - vdvaart.
kluivert however, still remains higherst in the striker hierachy according to dick advocaat, and that frustrates many dutch fans.